Upcoming Live shows www.brucefummey.co.uk/shows.aspx More about the history of tartan kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoeL08qyhdrgcZs.html Buy me coffee at www.buymeacoffee.com/ScottishBruce

@bcgrote

4 ай бұрын

Will you perform at the Edinburgh Festival in 2024? I would love to see a show when we get there!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

I very well might

@KingDavidProject

4 ай бұрын

Man made climate change ain't real. I used to believe that. Noah's Ark is a story of climate change and there were no cars then. The planet wobles. With every woble there is climate change.

@Hawaii_fivo

4 ай бұрын

Hi mate is there any way I can get in contact with you to chat about coming on my podcast?

@petermacleod2402

4 ай бұрын

Have you seen the documentary, Romes final frontier? In this documentary a persu of richous curly haired Italians try to take what is not theirs for a few hundred years but Pictish foundations never let it happen. documented in Rabats museum. There DePICTS Caledoni's in wood 2000 years ago. Mounted his shield with check leggings and long limbed body tattoos and very Original. A true British man and still the Original! 😊

More stories of Scottish heritage which keeps giving. Have a great Hogmanay and a healthy, successful 2024 🌞

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

You too my friend

Cheers from Bulgaria, loving your channel. My teacher at university always said that there are a lot of parallels between Bulgarian and Scottish history. Watching the myriad of videos on your channel, I think he might be right! 🇧🇬☘️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@thebristolianmackem2039

2 ай бұрын

Its because of the Mongol invasion and the lombards invasion of Italy other vikings/picts and indo Aryans aka Romani and Jewish arrived when the mongals invaded Russia alot of Eastern Europe escaped to Scotland pre Celtics times they mostly lived in lower Scotland and alot of Scottish ppl have Scandinavian bulkan Russian German Jewish and romani DNA since this is the people Scotland was formed some romani later moved back to Finland and became the finnish kale there origins are of Scotland

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 ай бұрын

@@thebristolianmackem2039 🤔🤔🤔🤔

@thebristolianmackem2039

2 ай бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours it took alot of research my friend

What a great story telling, you have a fantastic way of pulling out interesting stories from the past and breathing new life into the subjects, keep up the great work Bruce!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Ah thanks

Another great and much appreciated history lesson. Thank you Mr Fummey!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Ah thanks

What an interesting story. Sad that Mungo died so far from home. Thank you Bruce.

Thank you Bruce!

The first portraited Highlander wasn't Connor MacLeod? Oh, well ... another time, MacLeod! The terrible joke now out of the way, Lord Murray's story is facinating. Thanks again for sharing, Bruce.

@DuncanMcintyre-jk3qb

4 ай бұрын

Surely if it were Connor McLeod there could be only one ☝️

@johnstuartkeller5244

4 ай бұрын

@@DuncanMcintyre-jk3qb Explain that to Duncan 😆 And don't call me Shirley.

@Andrea.S.Alvey12

4 ай бұрын

@johnstuartkeller5244 Duncan? As in Adrian Paul? My favourite "ONE." Total yumfest!

@DavidGarcia-kw4sf

4 ай бұрын

In the film, there is a very short scene of Connor noticing a small painting that looks a lot like the one discussed here. Perhaps this larger portrait was their inspiration. 😎

Fascinating bit of tartan history, Bruce. Wishing you a happy Hogmanay,and all the best for 2024!

TOPS! What a story. Thank you and all the best for 2024.

Another great video . Very interesting .

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Love this.

Thank goodness for having Matt Ward along to keep you (somewhat) honest! 😁 Each time you mentioned Mungo I couldn't help but think of the character "Mongo," as played by American footballer Alex Karras in Mel Brook's "Blazing Saddles."

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Surely that was Mongo

@joegroves1519

4 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

The painting is gorgeous. Thanks for this video. It’s so interesting.❤❤❤

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

My pleasure 😊

Thanks for sharing 👍

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Thanks! Always great to hear about other Murrays!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much

Fascinating , my brother in law is descendant grandson of Sir John Murray and his wife Amelia Stanley, so mungo is his ancestral Uncle

When you mentioned the Darien expedition, I knew there were only a couple of outcomes for Mungo Murray, and none good.

Fantastic. I can't wait to see you when you come to Canada!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

I'm excited. Where are you?

@cherry-xz6ei

4 ай бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours I'll be going to the one in Ottawa!!!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Brilliant. see you there. Is there a good pub nearby?

As a Scottish-American I appreciate your videos. Have a very Happy New Year

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Happy new year!

Love your content, absolutely love it.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much

"Tricking Mongo was easy. Inventing the CandyGram was a bitch."

Mesmerizing you do a great job at explaining the history

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Ah thanks

Always, grateful. You're kinna preaching to to tto the choir, though. Buy me one, lemme tell YOU a story ! Mebbe 2 ! I can get quite loquacious !

Thank you so much for this video. Your videographer is doing a fantastic job. It is really neat to see what historical research can teach us. Scots in Panama…that was a leap in faith.

Ah what a great story! And I fully intend to travel up from south of the border for an extended road trip around Scotland, and hopefully Ireland too, as part of the positive side of getting me state pension in May! Yay! Wonderful stories and history as ever, Bruce. Cheers me dear! 👌😃🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪🙋🙏

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 ай бұрын

Brilliant

I thoroughly enjoyed this video. You're a true story teller as well as historian.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

I'm glad you think I'm a story teller, but I'd never claim to be an historian.

True Story telling is an Art and thankyou and your team for enlightening us !! -absolutely riveted All my best 🦄

So interesting!❤❤❤

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

ANOTHER excellent History Lesson!! I love the, "first ever Scotsman painted in Highland dress. In Ireland. By an Englishman." UK - represent!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Oooft, I think the Irish would have somethign to say about being told they were part of the UK

@joegroves1519

4 ай бұрын

Naturally. Sometimes I forget there’s Ireland then “Northern Ireland“… 😢

Happy new year to all Bruce I love your videos and learn so much from them,all the best for the tour and the future videos

Thanks, though, all the same. Brothers, of different Mothers. 😊

Happy Hogmanay!

Hi Bruce, Any chance you could make videos about: 1. Angus MacAskill - the giant born in Berneray in Outer Hebrides 2. David Rizzio - Italian painter of Mary Queen Of Scots who was murdered in front of her eyes in 1566 in Holyroodhouse and Lord Darnley conspiracy? I was moved by painting made by sir William Allen from 1833 that I have seen in National Gallery in Edinburgh with that scene

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

MacAskill, who knows, maybe in the future. Rizzio wasn't a painter, he was a singer surely? He'd had a mention in some Mary Queen of Scots videos and my recent Royal Mile video, but I've never done a video on himself.

@Hsalf904

4 ай бұрын

MacAskill would be cool, he’s a legend here in Cape Breton too. We even have a beer named after him!

@joannitaxvi3386

4 ай бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours Rizzio was musician, of course, I mistyped while kept thinking about that brilliant painting from the gallery. Following Fairy Flag folk tale, it would be also great to see your video about Robert Kirk of Aberfoyle and his "The Secret Commonwealth" book. Fairies, you know...

Happy New Year Bruce / Crew/ famlies, Thanks for all the work you and crew put in your vids

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Happy new year!

@sharktomesmiles

4 ай бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours Bruce do you fel you grew up in the right country for you? Sounds one of me weird questions? But really. I feel I was born in the right country . My second is Cork Ireland. The coastline pulls me. My fear of flight is (&^%$##) If not by dragon a slow boat to Ireland from the west usa. lol come on thats silly funny all in one. I would go to Scotland by dragon. I believe in dragons. Oh gods I would good everywhere. The world cant take me. We dont need everyone to question their gods. But it would be fun to see your face with a flying lizard. Im not cool enough to take thay picture.

"...some elder brother killing the disease sweeping the area..." Not necessarily a rarity in highlands. Certainly the Stewarts went in for a bit of the old fratricide! Another great and interesting video, thanks.

A wonderful account. Buried out there in the jungles of Panama. Wow. Thanks.

A good tale well told. Thanks.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for listening

Such a wonderful way you told the history of the painting, the artist and the subject. Many thanks and have a great 2024!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Happy new year!

Another great video Bruce, it is however kind of a sad story. Although, I must say, sad or not, your telling of it does a great justice for the man in the painting, Mungo 8th son Lord Murray, heir to none, in search of wealth & fame, he died so young... ❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Happy new year to you big man Good to see you👊🏼

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Happy new year!

As always wonderful video. Love the subject and detail. Happy new year to you and yours.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Happy new year!

I know this is very narcissistic to say. But in doing my family ancestry. This painting is alot like me. English, Irish and Scottish. I just need the paint or canvas to have come from what is now Germany and my dna would be represented lol. I want to say again thank you for your videos. They have helped me to understand why some of my Scottish ancestors have records in Ireland and then in Canada and America. I love history and watching your videos have helped me to understand the movements and motivations of my ancestors. You help me to give life to the cold facts of names, ages, and birth places that I find in my searches. Again I know this is a bit narcissistic. But I think it is needed to express my thanks.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Brilliant

Lol! Love this and you! Thanks! ❤

Bruce, Thank you so much for this video! It was very interesting! I learn something new from every video you make.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

This was very interesting thank you for straightening out the mystery of the kilt and the painting thank you for sharing this have a great hogmanay

Another Brucey Belter!

Thanks for the video Bruce, loving learning Murray history at the moment!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

10 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

LOVE your work, Bruce! Look forward to your 2024 videos. ALL BEST WISHES FOR THE NEW YEAR!! 🌟🎉

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Same to you!

Thank you 😊

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

You're welcome 😊

Another belter of a video Bruce. Sad outcome for Mungo unfortunately. All that untapped potential.

Good vid,Bruce,and great bit of detective work done by previous reserachers,as I have my copy of Sir Iain Moncreiffe' of That Ilk's 'The Highland Clans' (1971/82),where that very painting is described as the 'a wful/contentious' historical figure, Sir Iain Glas 'Slipperly John' Campbell,4th Baronet of Glenorchy and 1st Earl of Breadalbane ! 🙄 As mentioned from prev. vids,momentous tie-in with the disastrous 'Darien Scheme',definitely extended vids for the near future and the divisive role of the Crown and the City of London played in its deliberate failure,espec. in the BTS negotiations with the nearest suitable colony of Jamaica to hamper adequate supplies to the beleaguered colony.😐

The tartan draft excluder got me. So many homes had one or more at the front door.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Aye a'body had ane

Dead Bruce, as I always tell you, this was SO interesting and I could listen to you for hours non stop! I’ve been to Edinburgh 7 times now and still haven’t managed to properly visit the National Portrait Gallery! I’ll be in Edinburgh again at the end of February and will make sure to visit to have a look at this magnificence!! Knowing the history behind it is fascinating!!! Thank you Bruce! It would be amazing to see more videos about the history behind other important portraits at the National Portrait Gallery!!🤗

@Andrea.S.Alvey12

4 ай бұрын

You might want to fix your autocorrected first word . . . Pretty sure you meant ''Dear'' not ''Dead." Sometimes (alright, MOST of the time) I really hate autocorrect.

Another brilliant video about yet another absolutely dead brilliant Scottish history story! You are like, (a hilariously witty version of), Inspector Rebus with all your sleuthing! I have learned yet another kilogram of knowledge about this wonderful, inventive, brave, proud etc. peoples known as "The Scots". Can't wait for the next installment of Fummey Fantastic Facts. Your videos always brighten my day !!

Great video touching on some of my ancestors. I knew who it was as soon as you showed it. I have this image up on the wall of one of my rooms, along with a few other "Murray" characters.

I've seen the version of the painting in the Kelvingrove in the Dear Green Place. It's quite the painting and one could look at it for a while to glean the subtle details in it. Thanks for the excellent and interesting in-depth deep dive into its history. Next time I see the painting I'll remember this video!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Brilliant

Thanks Bruce... that's a great story...the Darien expedition could be an interesting tale ... Happy New Year er...Hogmanny and Cheers Laddie to a good year !🎉

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

How to fit THAT into 15 mins...?

@alansmithee8831

4 ай бұрын

​@@ScotlandHistoryTours. You need a sponsor to fund an excursion to Panama, to do a gig and a set of videos, like the recent trilogy.

An absorbing tale that was....

Luv the history and accent...reminds me of my dad... My dad left and immigrated like many scots...in search of a better life than the 1920s Gorbles I think...

Interesting video, good research 👍

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

I recognized that museum, and the wee boat behind it.

Happy New Year from Gourock Bruce. I hope it’s the best year of your life.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿✊🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Let's hope it's great for all of us😎😎

Happy New Year to you and yours

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

😘

Mungo looked like a bloody legend at only 15. Up the Gaels!

Love from Texas, my friend

Wow!!

Bruce!

Love your work! I hope to catch your live show sometime, but, alas you’ll be in Canada during my next visit to Edinburgh. 😢 all the best for the new year! Regards, Bruce G.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

😂Typical

Your videos are great!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

3 ай бұрын

Thanks

Happy new year!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Same to you!

Have you seen the history documentary Romes final frontier? In Rabats museum think it's Morocco or Tunisia. They have a Caledonians shield with depictions etched from a Pict. Two thousand years old and on the shield is a carving of a ancient Scottish dude wearing the first image of checkered trousers 👖 x

As soon as you mention the word Darien I think we all kent at that point the story was about to take a swift and sad end for Mungo Murray.

Another thought provoking episode Bruce. The Tartan, with all those colours and lines. Looks complex to say the least. Which brings me to the subject of Technicality. It must have been a bloody great challenge to make, particularly in the early days. Or not? And that leads on to the question of price and affordability. Could your average Punter afford one, or did one have to be quite well off to own a Tartan? Any 'ow, all the best to you and yours in '24.

@lenabreijer1311

4 ай бұрын

Tartan weaving is old. Been found in bogs, in the Tarim basin. It is not complicated for a practiced weaver. It is a pattern that repeats.

@woltews

4 ай бұрын

if you carefully look at it s mostly shades of red -yellow that mach well with iron oxide and incredibly cheap pigment and black which can be made from naturally black sheep , iron reductions or squid ink . So the pigments would not be all that difficult to come by and as for the weaving there is nothing particularly expensive there other than the vast amount of fabric which I think is there to show wealth. I always remember that portrait painters are not photographers and could and did alter the image to what the client wanted to look like ( colours are more vibrant and textiles have no patches or stains , iron becomes silver and bras becomes gold , skin has no blemishes , wood has no cracks , no buttons are missing and everything is amped up to make the client as happy as possible )

Hi Bruce! I'm glad this poor young man has been loved and cherished through history in this painting as he had little love or luck in life it seems. It bothers me to think that those who took his father's money probably knew that the first wave wasn't doing well if letters had come back to Scotland from there. Perhaps his father knew that too and sent him to safeguard the investment. His grave may be in Panama, but his memorial is there on my screen: a beautiful portrait of a dashing, handsome young man who looks ready for anything! I will keep that menory of Mungo Murray with me! Thank you for the rest of the story look at a beautiful portrait. Wishing you and yours a great blowout on Hogmany and a fabulous New Year in 2024! Cheers!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

No, they didn't realise how badly things had gone. There was no internet back in the day

@nancyholcombe8030

4 ай бұрын

So safeguarding the investment was the main thought here. That makes sense!

Bruce ~~~ Happy New Year and I do enjoy your podcast ! Don’t know Gaelic but Cheery & Drasta as you sound off at the end ! Steve Brown 🍀✝️🍀💚

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Tioraidh an drasda

cheerz big man, a'nar banger!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

😘

@euansmith3699

4 ай бұрын

Your username gave me a real giggle 😄👍

@thesausagecontinuim1971

4 ай бұрын

@@euansmith3699 cheerz man!!😁

i think mungo is the perfect name for my next dog, when i get him. (bonzo left in 23 before that, zookie, then deano and first was jobi (born on the john bisco))

I love your videos ❤❤❤🎉

@ScotlandHistoryTours

2 ай бұрын

My videos love you

From 1959 to 1962 I lived at 21 Dock St not far from where the V&A is, this was before the road bridge was built. Great memories of that part of Dundee, fishing in the Tay, going to the baths, walking up to Keillers or maybe going to the wrestling in the Caird Hall.

@crinolynneendymion8755

4 ай бұрын

Spent a few afternoons in the arcade at the end of the Caird Hall.

@stephenfarrell6794

4 ай бұрын

Was that in the bottom at the back where the old bus station was? I think we used to buy a roast chicken in there once in a while.@@crinolynneendymion8755

Sidenote, saw a photo of my great, great grandfather (if that right), in a kilt and bagpipes. Also moved to Dundee.

Dear Bruce, I have been promoting you, from my small Celtic shop in Las Vegas, from the moment I first saw you about 3 months ago. I would strongly suggest, that you look into a tour stop in Las Vegas. My guess is, you would pack the house. I'm doing my best to get the word out about you and your love of Celtic traditions. Feel free to reach out to me as I know a few folks in the entertainment biz. Sincerely, Pilot, Gotta Get Your Geek On LLC, & Las Vegas Kilts.

Wouldn't it be cool if the hunting assistant in the background could be identified so his living downline could brag about their ancestor being painted and hanging in the museum next to Mungo's painting?!

Oofty brucey fella must’ve hurt going tae Dundeh Coyp c’mon the sainteees and have a great new year

How interesting. I live in Panama now and had no idea that the idea of settlement by Scots was even on the radar. Sort of a sad ending though.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Every day's a school day

'Nother good one, Bruce😎👍 (Poor Matt... not still on probation, I hope!)😜 Quite the remarkable account for all of Murray's affairs afterall - awful tragic, as it turns out too, eh. Had he not traded midges for mosquitos, I wonder... 🤔 Btw, talk of Dundee and the Irish connection, I wonder if a look at McGonagall would make for another great tale to tell?😉👍 All the best for '24!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

I once organised a McGonagall supper which was a disater

@kentait66

4 ай бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours 🤭🤭🤭... 😆👌

A'reyt Bruce. Though you say I mun go see Mungo, it is a bit of a treck from south of the border, alas. I never did get to go to university in Dundee, but to one nearer home, where as I commented before, the first person I met was later the Glasgow COP26 minister, though unlike him, I did study environmental and geochemistry as an option, which makes me not a denier of anything, but always wanting more evidence, like the fabulous case in the tale in your entertaining video.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Jesus, there's not enough evidence for you?

@alansmithee8831

4 ай бұрын

​@@ScotlandHistoryTours. Good scientists always want more evidence. I had always to base studies on international standards, but the old data was not to any, so there is doubt. More data, more work for the scientists, especially with industry moving to countries where environmental standards are not a concern.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Aye, gather more data by all means, but we should use what we already know for certain to guide societal behaviour.

@alansmithee8831

4 ай бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours They might have said the same thing on Sky News Australia, but I think they would mean something different?

quite the Balmorals they are wearing!

Great video as per Bruce. Do you have any plans to do a video on James Connolly? Born in Edinburgh, married in Perth etc. Cheers

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

I had intended to do a video on him a couple of years back. I was invited to Dublin to do a Burns supper and I thought that would be the opportunity to have soembody else pay the transport costs for me to start in Scotland and finish in Ireland. I'm waiting for just such an opportunity in future

@daleymac67

4 ай бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours sound incredible - I will sit patiently!

Hi sir, is there a video today? Miss you 😀

@ScotlandHistoryTours

3 ай бұрын

Yes, there was one on a Burns statue in anticipation of Burns night

Hah.I may have been born in South Oxon. But I was drafted to Faslane at the tender age of 16. Where I married and had progeny. After a considerable amount of history, I now live in France as Ecossaise. And proud of it.

@crinolynneendymion8755

4 ай бұрын

As an Ecossaise you say? Very 21st century...

Still waiting on tickets to your show in Vancouver BC. Will that connection come up soon on your site?

@ScotlandHistoryTours

3 ай бұрын

Here's a link to my show in Vancouver on 12th July tinyurl.com/StoriesofScotland

Brilliant! Mungo's later relative, John IV Earl of Dunmore, takes up residence in the very successful Virginia colony, unlike Darien. Unfortunately, John lost his colonial investment when he was driven out by the barbarian 'buckskins' he had served over as royal governor, 1771-1775 (drawing governor's pay until 1783). Thank you for adding a new piece to the puzzle of the Murrays' struggles in the American colonies.

Hey Bruce, is everything ok? Are you ok? You post a new video every Saturday morning like clockwork, but not this Saturday, so i sure hope all is well ( it doesn't feel right with out a video from my favorite creator...) So i just wanted to check on ya, Happy Holidays to you & yours. ❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

I just thought I deserved a couple of weeks off. 2023 was a really hectic year. The next upload is due on 20th

@jameshorne9351

4 ай бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours Yes Sir you SO do, I just was genuinely concerned so I'm glad that was all it was, thanks for the response. Please enjoy your time off Bruce.,

Not meaning to be a part of the Tartan Police, but is he wearing the full breacan as a mini kilt, or just hiking it up for the summer?

Happy Healthy New Year 🎉🎉. Best wishes for 2024

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

😘

It’s hard to fight in a long robe. Thus the term girding your loins in the Old Testament

Looking good in black😊

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Och away

Great video , great channel and a happy new year ! ! Can you tell me if Agnes Ramsey had children from King James 4th ?

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

I'd have to check

@AIGodSkills

4 ай бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours thank you sir

Is this a portrait of Sir Mungo Murry born 1633 son of John Murry and Jean Campbell ?

@ScotlandHistoryTours

4 ай бұрын

Hmmm, that sounds a bit early

@alexschonski3637

4 ай бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours ok but that is the date listed on ancestry site geni for his birth , perhaps there is the same name again in the family line sent you an e mail to your address review it if you have time

@BackstoryFamilyHistory

4 ай бұрын

@@alexschonski3637 The source for the info you mentioned on the Geni ancestry site is listed as Burke's Peerage. Burke's like all genealogy is as reliable as the good care that was taken to verify the records. If you can't find records to confirm Burke's, it may be incorrect for dates and more. I just read this post on Roots Chat related to Burke's as a source: "One set of my ancestors, the Dundases of Fingask, appear in Burke. It has an Alexander Dundas living an extraordinary long time and being fit to fight at Flodden in 1513. In fact, they have conflated a grandfather and grandson, and missed out an intermediate generation which is attested in the parliament records." I think Bruce's sense of the date conflict is probably spot on given the information listed about the painting and Mungo Murry's birth and death years in that source. This text about the painting is online and was originally published in 100 Masterpieces: National Galleries of Scotland, Edinburgh, 2015. Hope this is of some help.