You made a mistake at the very beginning, Serbia didn't exist at all when the Croats came and you still attributed to it territories that were not under their rule, if you want to present history in such a bad way, you better switch to another branch because you are doing more harm than good

Being Bulgarian it's always interesting for me to learn something on medieval Croatian history.

@joezadro1156

Жыл бұрын

I'm croatian and wish I were our neighbors not savage serbs

@user-th3nx6zj2f

Жыл бұрын

@@joezadro1156 Same

@jakovsandrovcan3471

Жыл бұрын

We are more brothers than that gypsy turk servs who are actually Croato Bulgarian mix bizantine creation long live Croatia and Bulgaria 🇭🇷🤝🏻🇧🇬

@emilianozapata2530

8 ай бұрын

Hahahah...dear god... Let your dear Serbian explain something to you Bulgarians and to you Croatians of your heritage,if your masters made you forget of your that doesn't mean that we should forget ours,and ours is yours,and so is your ours. Croatians are nothing else but catholcised serbian people,yet i will gladly dennounce you as any sort of far or distant relative nowdays. After you made factories for kiing innocent children under 14 years old,and left that act as a your legacy to world society. 40,50.000 children you murderred... All for your masters in Rome and Pentagon,Berlin... and about Bulgarians,we have a saying,who ever speaks bulgarian is using serbian lenaguage without understanding it's rules or gramatic. Bulgarians are a mixture of local Slavic people and the tribes that came with Huns to these parts,and yes you both have proven that you lack courage and chivalry...maybe Bulgarians less so,they had their fair victories over us,those ones should be respected,yet their backstabbing while we were fighting both Germany and Austro-Hungaria at the same time can be picture of their manners and speak about them more than myself here. Best regards neighboors😂 I know you feel kinda scared,its a about to start...i feel it too..but you are scared because you know that you have chosen the dark side,we ain't,we never were,no matter the odds,no matter the enemy Serbian people stood on balkans defending it against of all foreign creat colonial powers,and even when we faught alone,and you all stood by the side,we did for you too. For that part of you that never had courage to say no to colonialists,and oppressors of all difrents kinds and sizes.

@DEBELIMAREX

8 ай бұрын

Hope you can together fantasise about your gratness

i am Bulgarian. Simeon the Great could have defeated Croatia if he attempted more offensives but we had to think about the Byzantines in the south and not overstretch too much. Croatia was so lucky to have Tomislav at that particular time. Respect to Croatian and Serbian warriors

@guzelataroach4450

Жыл бұрын

were no bulgarians in the region in 500 ad, but there were eastern rome

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Fantastic comment. Bulgaria has always been in a difficuly geographical position. Such is the case with most Balkan states

Жыл бұрын

Greetings. I am from Croatia and I admire Bulgarian history. Bulgaria was strongest medieval state in the Balkans after Romans and before Ottomans no doubt. During the time of Simeon the Great Croatia was further away and a little bit of the radar but Croatian king was lucky that Simeon sent his general Alogobotur in chase after the Rascian princes and didn't attempt full scale war. Nevertheless very interesting part of history.

Жыл бұрын

Greetings. I am from Croatia and I admire Bulgarian history. Bulgaria was strongest medieval state in the Balkans after Romans and before Ottomans no doubt. During the time of Simeon the Great Croatia was further away and a little bit of the radar but Croatian king was lucky that Simeon sent his general Alogobotur in chase after the Rascian princes and didn't attempt full scale war. Nevertheless very interesting part of history.

@joezadro1156

Жыл бұрын

Croatians created servs. Belgrade was a BULGARIAN found city

Croats arived before serbs my guy, and we for shure didnt come from serbs.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

4 ай бұрын

And Croats come to the Balkan across today Slovenia. Serbs come to the Balkan across today Romania. And they are two different nations with different insignia, language, names and rulers. That bullshit like Croats and Serbs are one people is from 19th century Greater Serbia propaganda and lies.

@hansthesoldier8700

4 ай бұрын

@@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh we caim from slavic tribes our group Croats came to dalmatia and some time later we made our kingdome at the same time but like mybe year or less later serbs came and made theirs

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

4 ай бұрын

@@hansthesoldier8700 That is all the truth! I agree with you 100%! And I know that, because I am a Croat! Be saluted!

@ariansegota7944

4 ай бұрын

​@@hansthesoldier8700 Croats are not Slavs In our blood you can find just 8-30% of Slavs blood depents on what part of Croatia

@ariansegota7944

4 ай бұрын

​@@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mhSerbs doesn't exist in history , they say till today that Latin word "servi" mean Serbs but servi mean SLAVES. Only where Serbs exits is in letters and books when Bulgarian empire clean all Raška and some slavic tribe named Serbs, ask Croatian King Tomislav for safe land. After that come Second Bulgarian empire than Ottoman, in all that Serbs doesn't exist 🤣

How did you made this map of yours of Croatia, it should go further south, up to Imotski and Omis

@aloesinaloe9586

Жыл бұрын

Paganija was not Servia, nor was Dubrovnik either, all in all a very poorly done job

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

2 ай бұрын

@@aloesinaloe9586 That is correct!

Some corrections are in order, the first Croatian state was founded in the 610s, and was called the Duchy of Croatia, whereas the first Serb state was founded in the 620s, or even the 630s, the Principality of Serbia. The Avar Khaganate has never extended outside the Pannonian Basin, and the East Roman Empire's territories in SE Europe were, in the aftermath of the Invasion of the Slavs, reduced to the eastern interior of Adrianople, Thessaloniki, Monemvasia, and some cities on the Adriatic and Black Sea's coast.

@joezadro1156

Жыл бұрын

Croatians were invited and hired to come clear Dalmatia and inner Croatia of avars and Slav slaves(Serbs) Serbs went to Greece Albania and tried to conquer contantanople.

@kralpetarkrescimeriv.terpi6043

5 ай бұрын

​@@joezadro1156Emperor gave serbian tribe lands in Thessalia, they didnt like it and wanted to go back across danube, Avars started attacking them so they started pleading Emperor to accept them back! Land was called RASCIA not serbia until 12.century ! Croats settled whole province of Dalmatia (Adriatic to Drina river). THAT IS THE TRUTH, all other is serbian propaganda and faschism !

@vesnajelovac3951

3 ай бұрын

@@joezadro1156 Ajde srbomrzac dosta vise!

@user-xt6mf1wk8w

3 ай бұрын

​@@kralpetarkrescimeriv.terpi6043 Lies...

@barmajutta-oj8td

3 ай бұрын

​@@kralpetarkrescimeriv.terpi6043 serbs are avars

These borders throughout the video makes very little sense to me compared to history I've studied. E.g. there is no mention the Serbs ever ruling over Split...

@WOTgameplaychorantauluka

6 ай бұрын

Never Split was Serbian....and croatian is only 200years....venice....

@ivicazovko2240

6 ай бұрын

​@@WOTgameplaychorantauluka The city of Split was founded as the Greek colony of Aspálathos (Aσπάλαθος) in the 3rd or 2nd century BC. It became a prominent settlement around 650 CE when it succeeded the ancient capital of the Roman province of Dalmatia, Salona. After the Sack of Salona by the Avars and Slavs, the fortified Palace of Diocletian was settled by the Roman refugees. Split became a Byzantine city, to later gradually drift into the sphere of the Republic of Venice and the Kingdom of Croatia, with the Byzantines retaining nominal suzerainty. For much of the High and Late Middle Ages, Split enjoyed autonomy as a free city, caught in the middle of a struggle between Venice and the King of Hungary for control over the Dalmatian city-states. Venice eventually prevailed and during the early modern period Split remained a Venetian city, a heavily fortified outpost surrounded by Ottoman territory. Its hinterland was won from the Ottomans in the Morean War of 1699, and in 1797, as Venice fell to Napoleon, the Treaty of Campo Formio rendered the city to the Habsburg monarchy. In 1805, the Peace of Pressburg added it to the Napoleonic Kingdom of Italy and in 1806 it was included in the French Empire, becoming part of the Illyrian Provinces in 1809. After being occupied in 1813, it was eventually granted to the Austrian Empire following the Congress of Vienna, where the city remained a part of the Austrian Kingdom of Dalmatia until the fall of Austria-Hungary in 1918 and the formation of Yugoslavia. In World War II, the city was annexed by Italy, then liberated by the Partisans after the Italian capitulation in 1943. It was then re-occupied by Germany, which granted it to its puppet Independent State of Croatia. The city was liberated again by the Partisans in 1944, and was included in the post-war Socialist Yugoslavia, as part of its republic of Croatia. In 1991, Croatia seceded from Yugoslavia amid the Croatian War of Independence en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Split The Archdiocese of Split-Macarsk ( lat. Archidioecesis metropolitana Spalatensis-Macarskensis ) is a Roman Catholic metropolitan archdiocese founded around 300 with its headquarters in Salona as the Salonitanska Diocese . Around 640, the headquarters moved to Split . Since ancient times, Split Metropolis has traditionally had primacy over other Croatian dioceses , expressed by the title of Primate of Dalmatia and the whole of Croatia (lat. Dalmatiae ac totius Croatiae primas ), which until the XIX. century worn by the archbishops of Split. [1] hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitsko-makarska_nadbiskupija

@tomislav_radic

2 ай бұрын

What history did you study and where? Srbija Global Univerity with prof. Deretić?

@putinwillhanginthemiddleof4866

2 ай бұрын

@@tomislav_radic … According to pseudo historian Deretić , Jesus was Serbian and before that they ( the Serbs ) taught Egyptians how to build pyramids ‼️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣

@tomislav_radic

2 ай бұрын

@@putinwillhanginthemiddleof4866 I find North Macedonians funny when they claim Alexander the Great, Albanians when they claim the Balkans, but Serbs man, Serbs are next level. The amount of Serbs that believe in that bullshit is incredible. Not even funny anymore. Just sad.

Serbs we're only found around raska,eastern Bosna and be eastern hercegovina.belgrade was a BULGARIAN city. Croats defeated BULGARIANS,mostly ended in a truce,thus freeing serbs from Bulagarization.

@NekoImeni

Жыл бұрын

unfortunately, next 1000 years croats were under Ottomans, Hungarian, Austrians, italians, Mongols....until Serbs finally liberated croats in 1918.

@aloesinaloe9586

Жыл бұрын

@@NekoImeni Koga ste vi jadni oslobodili? ne možete ni Kosovo oslobodit a po Hrvatskoj su vas pune jame

@KukuLele-mx8sq

9 ай бұрын

@@NekoImeni serbs were liberated by russians (mikhail chernyayev, serbian uprising and serbo turkish-war) from turks, and by french in ww1....serbs never had any single battle or uprising against there occupiers in there whole history, not any single..thats a fact... you were actually most loyal servants to turks, mongols, byzantine and bulgarians for 1000 years...

@NekoImeni

9 ай бұрын

@@KukuLele-mx8sq Lets be honest: CROATIAN GRANDMOTHERS were GANG-BANED for 900 years by TURKISH, MONGOLIAN, HUNGARIAN, SERBIAN, AUSTRIAN, ITALIAN,.....and even before that, by FRANKIAN and AVARS 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@nuckeyn-du2uy

9 ай бұрын

@@NekoImeni Lets be honest: SERBIAN GRANDMOTHERS were GNG-BANED for 900 years by TURKISH, ARAB, AFRICAN and ALBANIAN pashas.....and even before that, by MONGOLS, AVARS, BULGARIANS and BYZANTINES 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Serbian DNA dont lie: E1b1b (berber) + J (turkish)

Your Croatian maps are way off. Croatian princes of the 9th century had the court just across the sea, north of Split, and this area on your maps is so far from "your" Croatia. Read what Gottschalk had to say about the court of Trpimir. Croatia bordered Pagania on the southeast in the area of Imota county. Pagania was incorporated into Croatia in the 11th century.

I'm half Serb, half Croat. So I can't offend anyone with this. My mother was a history student in Belgrade in 1988. So under heavy serbian influance and propaganda as at that time Serbs started getting ambitious. When it came to who came first, Croats were at the banks of the Adriatic before Serbs, Croats came from todays Poland, the named the place Red/White Croatia, that wasn't its name but thats how historians call that place even tho name doesn't make much sense. Serbs were a nomadic tribe, it isn't known really when they first appeared but it is debated that they are even Slavic, as they share more similarities with Tatars then slavs. (My mom (Serb) has much darker skin than my dad (Croat) who looks like a typical central Europian). What noone dissagrees that Serbs originated in Kosovo and thats their history. They were misstreated by Turks and they Rebeled. Croats also suffered under Turks but they reppelled them at Knin stopping them from going deeper into Europe. The thing about Croats being just Catholic Serbs was created in 1990s to justify the Creation of Greater Serbia. And it continued to this day with many Serbs trying to steal Croat history, even tho they have a great history on their own so they don't need to steal others. Also since I seem more negative to Serbs, Nikola Tesla is a Serb? Now we are all mad at me so its fair.

@nikolasirovica3250

Жыл бұрын

A large portion of Serbs who fled from the Ottoman Empire migrated to Austria Hungary where they were settled along a shifting military frontier and over the course of decades and centuries converted to Catholicism. It’s not all of Croatia’s population today, but a large part of it. Have you looked into the history of many last names in Croatia? You’ll find that when you trade their origins they originate in areas of medieval Serbia that fell under Turkish rule.

@FerdoFredic

Жыл бұрын

@@nikolasirovica3250 Yea Croatia to this day has its largest minority as Serbs around 5%. But I'm talking about how many Serbs claim that Slovenes and Croats are all just catholic Serbs. That isn't true, that was never true, it would be in fact the opposite cuz Croats were there first before the Serbs and Serbs mostly kept to the Eastern part of the penisula and not where they are now. The myth that Croats and Slovenes were Serbs was a propaganda by Serbian terrorist Chetniks and Milosevic to justify the war and creation of greater Serbia. And that did not die with the war but still lives on and many Serbian politicians do belive this.

@ajmo-fi7mj

Жыл бұрын

​@@nikolasirovica3250actually most of serbs who fled to croatia look dark while the most croats look white... Also croats have I2 dna...while serbs have mostly E1b1b DNA... Also serbs never had surnames until 1851 unlike croats only patronymes

@nikolasirovica3250

Жыл бұрын

@@ajmo-fi7mj go to any city in Croatia and you’ll find your local Serbian orthodox cemetery and gravestones with families dating way older than 1851. The only exception might be zagorje and a few areas on the coast

@ajmo-fi7mj

Жыл бұрын

@@nikolasirovica3250 most orthodox churches were Build by serbs who were settled by ottomans and destroyed catholic or even greek-orthodox churches (Hagia sofia) for example in 16 - 19. Cenutries...about gravestones, yes serbs used patronyms but not surnames, even today most serbs have surnames Like JOVANovic, MARKOvic, ZIVKOvic...what originates from patronyms, when your name was Nikola and your fathers Name is marko your Name is Nikola Markovic, and your son Name is Jovan...your sons Name is Jovan Nikolic, this goes by serbs until 1851 in croatia you got quick surnames at least 300 years earlier and there arent that much surnames who Sounds like patronyms

Maps are wrong. Croatia border was eastern.

@JohnnyWalker1077

Жыл бұрын

Nope.

@tvrtkozelic7153

Жыл бұрын

Author is Serbian. That is what they teach them at school, unfortunately.

@JohnnyWalker1077

Жыл бұрын

@@tvrtkozelic7153 Vama je glavni izvor za istorijugrafiju mitoloski ljetopis popa dukljanina koji je nastai 300 godina poslije ovih desavanja. Za razlilu od srba o franackih i vizantinskih zapisa koji tacno opisuju granice tog doba 😀

@TGSSMC

Жыл бұрын

​@@JohnnyWalker1077 koji su jednako mitoloski kao I bilo koji drugi izvori iz tog doba. Imas dokaze uklesane u kamen, vrlo su opipljivi. Ovo spominje se u nekom papiru koji je netko navodno nesto majkemi napisao je sve redom vasar, das 10 din mecka plese, ako nedas, ne plese😂. Uostalom kao sto Sam vec napisao, nebitno je sto je bilo prije 1000 godina. Znas dobro gdje je Hrvatska, sto je Hrvatska i sto se desava kad mislis da nije.

@JohnnyWalker1077

Жыл бұрын

@@TGSSMC Najbitnije prije svega je da ja nama dobro i da smo zdravi i pravi. Sve drugo je nebitno, slaze se 😀

I AM MY FATHER BLOOD I AM CROATIAN I GOT POWER IN MY BLOOD

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

All world cultures have so many things to pull from and to be proud of and Croatia is certainly one of them!

@osa-mv4iv

Жыл бұрын

​@@kurjakhistory4727 when you see shape of modern Croatia you know who stop Turkish invasion . Please resarch battle of Gvozdansko 1578

@user3r74uz3u3

10 ай бұрын

​@@osa-mv4ivpa to je conclusion. Croatia cool😎 Serbia evil💀..sad je savrseno vrijeme sve se vidi vidis ko podrzava ruse istok to se raspada fala bogu pa 21stoljece a oni bi se igrali kraljeva i imperija mi Hrvati smo oduvjek bili odgovorni, pametni i znali kojoj strani povijesti pripadamo, E TO JE ZA PONOS!!!

@osa-mv4iv

10 ай бұрын

@@user3r74uz3u3 nije to baš kako se čini povijest nas je različito oblikovala mislim da smo i mi i Srbi pripadali istom savezu pred Bugarima se Zaharija sklonija u Hrvatsku i sudjelovao u Ninu na saboru. Što se tiće današnje situacije mislim da će Ukrainci izvuć deblji kraj porušilo im zemlju izginili i na kraju će stranci sve kupit zelenski pobjeć s miljunima a običan narod pojest govna u ovoj situaciji smatram da su Ukrainci u krivu

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

2 ай бұрын

I am a Croat from my father and my mother too. I am Čakavian and I know that was an ancient Croats language, before the Ottoman invasion of Croatia. So, that we are Catholic Serbs is a lie. Serbs do not understand Čakavian, because they are East Slaves and we are more like West Slaves. Even between South Slavs in the South-East of Europa ( or Balkan ).

Loving the videos, you're doing great work!

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot!

Wow! Impressive animations, great job, subbed!

Great videos,I discovered your channel by chance and quality is amazing! Good choice of topics and top music Thank you for your work

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, working on some cool videos in the future!

Love your topics! Keep up the good work.

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

Wtf are those maps, Serbia never held Split or Dubrovnik.

@kurjakhistory4727

6 ай бұрын

Split is contentious yes, however the Kingdom of Serbia controlling Ragusa (Dubrovnik) is very well documented. They eventually sold it to the Venetians.

@kristijanEX

6 ай бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 Split is no where near contentious and Dubrovnik is neither. Where did you even get the idea that Split was Serbian ? I get Dubrovnik is subject to Serbian propaganda historiography, but Split ? Even they don't claim something that ridiculous. I did some research on Dubrovnik and I don't see where you got that the Serbs controlled it. You're gonna have to show me those sources.

@kurjakhistory4727

6 ай бұрын

@@kristijanEX Contentious means debatable, I don't think you understand this word. I am saying that Serbian control over Split is debatable. However, again, accounts of Dubrovnik being under control by Serbs is so well documented you simply need to look into it in your own time. The idea of lack of Serbian territorial presence in the Dalmatian region during the this period is quite ridiculous in fact.

@barmajutta-oj8td

6 ай бұрын

​@@kurjakhistory4727 byzantines held Control over split...while it was the RASCIANS who Controlled dubrovnik and rascans are more croats then serbs...

@Ante.....

6 ай бұрын

​@@kurjakhistory4727Arapski kartograf i geograf koji je u 12. vijeku živio u Siciliji Muhamed Al-Idrisi je napisao da je Dubrovnik Grad u Hrvatskoj.

Thank you for this awsome video

Well done! Your videos make history sound as interesting as it is actually supposed to. Keep up the great work!

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Ivan, are there any topics, people or countries you would like me to cover in future?

@ivandeliyanov1395

Жыл бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 Yes, I would love to see a video about Bulgaria and its relation to the Slavic migration and Slavic tribes in general.

@ramsaysnow9196

Жыл бұрын

@@ivandeliyanov1395 aldou his maps are terible

200th subscriber. Just watched your videos, they are good, hoping for more content soon

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, looking to make more videos soon

@micahistory

Жыл бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 thanks, you can also check mine

Knez means Prince, while Vojvoda means Duke. It's bizzare to see "Duke (Knez)" for Trpimir's title, because those titles have different positions in the Feudal ladder associated with them. The maps are rather unorthodox as well. Besides these two apparent errors, I hope to see the channel grow and continue making videos!

@madcro8209

7 ай бұрын

Nope, both vojvoda and knez means duke in english. Prince is kraljevic.

@ZenexTheZealous

6 ай бұрын

@@madcro8209 My friend, in English they use the same word, Prince, to describe the heir to the throne in many a circumstance like ye have said, but ALSO use the title of Prince for the ruler of a Principality. Look at the Grand Principality of Moscow as a popular and somewhat applicable example. There the slavic word 'Knyaz' will be found, but the Anglophones say Prince. This stems from the Latin feudal hierarchical setups where ye will see dux and princeps used seperately for different but closely placed titles.

@kralpetarkrescimeriv.terpi6043

5 ай бұрын

CROATS HAD their own titles! ->BAN - was highest title to Croats until Terpimirus Rex (King) 839-866.

Your maps show many Croatian lands under Serbia. We know our history well. And why do you use the term Serb. And the Sorbs have nothing to do with the Serbs, which has been proven countless times. You start the video with the legend about the Serbs? You didn't mention white Croatia and white Croats at all , and they are a historical fact and part of the history of present-day Croats and present-day Croatia. And not that they are the history of the Croats, but of the majority of the Slavic peoples

Wrong Croatia was earlier created than Serbs in 6th century

@flyingpuma9729

Жыл бұрын

Any sources?

@flabby2142

Жыл бұрын

@@flyingpuma9729 any bitches?

@universalconquest4447

Ай бұрын

@@flyingpuma9729 Vatican library buddy. All the sources popped up around the 19th century while catholic scholars were rewriting (cough) excuse me, I meant DISCOVERING history.

Interesting topic 👍Can you tell me what program you use to animate the videos? Greetings Aleks 🙂✌️

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Zdravo Aleksa! For the maps I used final cut pro to keyframe animate the masks of solid layers and then 3D software Blender to make the animations.

Great video, where did you find the model for Klis at 12:57? Or did you make it yourself? It looks awesome.

@kurjakhistory4727

7 ай бұрын

Made it myself. Started from Google earth height maps and tracing the current ruins of the castle. Thanks for watching!

@filipsarp8727

7 ай бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 Thats smart. Thanks for replying!

King Tomislav is regarded as the first king due to being addressed as Rex (King) in a letter sent by Pope John X. and the Council conclusions of Split in 925 AD. Before King Tomislav, the Croatian dutches ruled with Croatian territory and that territory included land which is now called Bosnia & Herzegovina...

Hi Kurjak, would you be so kind and share your sources for this vid?

Can author of this video say what is his sources? I’m historian, and none available source exists that is mentioning servia at that time? Bulgarian king Simeon is quoted from 3 confirmed sources. Croatian kingdom and Croatian kings from 4 different confirmed sources, however after 30 years of research I cannot find anything about Servians before 13 century? If author can name one book that mentions this border or anything mentioned about servia early medieval history. Thanks

@universalconquest4447

Ай бұрын

After 35 years of research I have discovered that all the sources about a pre Austro-Hungarian Croatian Kingdom all came from the Vatican and catholic scholars.

serbs were liberated by russians (mikhail chernyayev, serbian uprising and serbo turkish-war) from turks....serbs never had any single battle or uprising against there occupiers in there whole history, not any single..thats a fact... you were actually most loyal servants to turks, mongols, byzantine and bulgarians for 1000 years...

@universalconquest4447

Ай бұрын

What about WW1 and WW2? Or how about first Balkan War?

The biggest mistake Croatian King Tomislav made, was to save the Serbs from the Bulgars. Tomislav, unknowingly made Croats future more miserably and the Serbs future much more better.

@LZ-Cro-minator

2 ай бұрын

Zašto pišeš tako o njima? Pa nisu to bili ovi današnji Srbi, već srednjovjekovni. Srbi tada nisu bili naši neprijatelji nego saveznici s kojima smo surađivali. To su bili isto Hrvati tada, samo drugog naziva. Višeslav je bio i naš knez. Čak je i Duklja vladala tadašnjom Srbijom, jedno vrijeme, a Duklja je bila isto naša tvorevina. Većina tadašnjih knezova na tim područjima, nosili su naša imena. Bjelgrad su isto osnovali Hrvati. To ti je i jedan od razloga zašto je bio ujedno i glavni grad bivše Jugoslavije. Naravno, puno toga mi Hrvati nismo ni znali jer nam konstantno brišu povijest. Evo i Kurde su čak istrijebili, samo zbog Hrvata . Ne bih ni ja znao da smo imali poveznice s njima da netko nije rekao ovdje.

Serbs were 500 years under ottoman, and before that under mongols, bulgarians, byzantines, avars

@felmaiden1094

Жыл бұрын

Cope Ujko. You are chatolic Serb

@statebriga9036

Жыл бұрын

@@felmaiden1094 im slavic croat you are a orthodox gypsy and turk serb...

@orecvarkov732

Жыл бұрын

​@@statebriga9036 You're Avar Iranian Turk catholic Gypsy.

@barmajutta-oj8td

Жыл бұрын

@@orecvarkov732 Croats are slavs... serbs are turkish, arab, avar, iranian, Gypsies...just look at Ceda jovanovic or milan stankovic

@flabby2142

Жыл бұрын

@@orecvarkov732 Ur a Orthodox Serb

I would like to know your sources as there are many inaccuracies in this video.

Loving the narrative way you explain the events, really keeps the listener's attention. Good animation too, surprised you don't have more subs. *+1 Follower Gained*

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, working on a real nice video coming soon!

Just to add that Simeon annexed Serbia as a last result. Before that the kingdom had rebelled or allied with the Byzantines 3 times. The first two times Simeon send an army to crush the rebellion or stop the incursion. He always put a new Serbian prince on the throne. By the third time he decided that no matter who the ruler was, he would probably rebel, so outright annexation was his best course of action.

where is that modle of the kliss castle from at 13 minutes?

@kurjakhistory4727

7 ай бұрын

Made it myself on Blender!

@matthewmoua8494

7 ай бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 I’m curious what you baked it off of.

@kurjakhistory4727

7 ай бұрын

@@matthewmoua8494 Thanks for asking! Loaded in the geographic data of the real mountain and roughly traced the castle design. Overall a lot of artistic liberty taken as there are practically no records of it as this time. But kept the design philosophy simple as is is premedical period and in the rough style of Venetian - Hungarian fortresses

@matthewmoua8494

7 ай бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 looks great, I recall seeing a modern illustration of the castle ruins. You did a great job!

You need to do some correction on map (to make it realistic). Servs never ruled over Ston until 1200ad.

@JohnnyWalker1077

Жыл бұрын

Yes, they ruled it. Byzantine & frankish documents actually prove this. The first serbian king Michael (crowned by pope gregory VII in 1077) has built a church on ston. The Kurvats didn´t move over the Cetina river during ther entire statehood that lasted till 1102.

@aburasabaja7610

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnnyWalker1077 smrdians dont exist in middle ages only rascans...smrdians are created in 1851, created by turks, gypsys, arabs, vlahs, mongols etc.

@TGSSMC

Жыл бұрын

​@@JohnnyWalker1077 it doesn't really matter what happened 1000 years ago. you know where Croatia is, it will stay here for the next 1000 years.

@kralpetarkrescimeriv.terpi6043

5 ай бұрын

​@@JohnnyWalker1077HAHA You mean King Michael "Ruler of the one calling Croats" go to that Church in Ston and see CROATIAN CROWN on Michael head! And the scripture that is saying that! Serbs are LIARS 😂 Your history until 12.century is based on assumptions 🤣

Interesting and unique channel

What an incredible history Thanks for creating this

In what universe is that?

You should make video about Czech and Lech the legend of Slavic brother , or great Moravia

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Will try to!

Somebody to help me and tell me where is grave the famous king Tomislav???

Nice. Pt.2?

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ivan! History of the Kingdom of Serbia coming soon as well as a video about Pavao Subić, an interesting croatian ruler during the Hungarian union.

@verilius6026

Жыл бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 Was just about to ask if you were planning on covering the rise of the first serbian empire :)

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

@@verilius6026 Absolutely, would love to undertake a project focused on Stefan Dušan.

Very interesting fakts. Thx

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

@ramsaysnow9196

Жыл бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 why you dont include pset in croatia? it is on of the earliest mentioned croatian teritories!

Great Animation work 👏🏻 Also the storytelling very effective. Greetings from 🇦🇱

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, planning on making a history of Skanderbeg soon!

@Arber-4673

Жыл бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 thx❤️ he was really a great warrior, I read a lot about him. He was a crazy Gladiator also, never lost a fight.

5:50 that was picture of zvonimir not of tomislav

The empire of Media and Mitania was the creator of the Sarmatians in Europe, who gave birth to the Croats and Bosnians, in the mountains of Zagros to Taurus, the Kurds, who are now an autonomous region in northern Iraq, was the cradle of the Gothian and Mitania civilizations, and many historians call the Croats from the people. They know the ancient civilization of Kurdistan The name of Croatia and Kurd is similar to the meaning of the ancient name of Croatia, which is called Hrvatski Hor and Khor means sun. If you look at the map of Kurdistan, there is a sun in the middle

@LZ-Cro-minator

2 ай бұрын

No wonder then that they wanted to exterminate the Kurds. Well, everything that has to do with us, others wanted to erase from the face of the earth. 😂

Your videos are incredible and detailed, thank you!

"40,000 Greeks, layed dead..." holy shit dude ur fire

bro, there is documentation that croatia is older, what the hell hahahah

The greatest error of this presentation is that the word Serbia doesn't make an appearance until the propped.up monarchy in the 19th century 🤔 As you can see the word Croatia is there from the beginning

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

Hey Norman, your comment makes a lot of historical sense, as these regions were not known as Serbia until some time later, though not quite as far into the future as the 18th century. The mindset to have with this period of Serbian history is that a lot of these early medieval counties and regions, such as Zachlumia, Pagania, Duklja, Travunia and most prominently Raška formed the foundation for later Serbia culture to develop. At around the early 12th century the Nemanjic dynasty would found what would be known regionally and Europe wide as the Kingdom of Serbia. This would be an orthodox slavic kingdom that would last until the end of the 14th century. Furthermore, it can be seen that Serbian culture (even though there was no country of Serbia) propagated strongly through the Balkans. An example is King Tvrtko Kotromanic signing his official documents as 'King of Bosnia and the Serbs' and how Most noble families provided letters to the Vatican in what they described as latin and serbian. Therefore, the common interpretation is that the above regions can be thought of as 'serbian'. Please let me know is there is anything that isn't clear or that you would like to discuss further. Sve najbolje.

@SuperQuater

Жыл бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 as you know with the written history of George from NIN probations were split between old slavonic Christianity and Latin Christianity The history is very clear that the region you mention has very superficial connections to what became Serbia in the 19th century.. this is what you need to study is the creation of the Serbian monarchy.. who helped create it and why?

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

No Norman I do not know what you mean by 'George from NIN'. Also would be interested in your interpretation of the Nemanjic dynasty and how it plays a role in all of this. Your point on the connections being made being superficial is great, as any notion that these Kingdoms, Principalities, duchies and so forth having a direct correlation or being the direct ancestor of modern day 21st century countries is ridiculous. Any citizen of Ex-Jugoslavia should therefore have equal interest and sympathy for this entire regions history. For example a Croatian an interest and connection to the orthodox regions mostly described as being Serb and a modern day Serbian having an interest in dalmatian and central croatian history despite those lands belonging to the Republic of Croatian in the current times. Also you seem to be coming at this from a conspiratorial angle by posing the idea 'who helped create Serbia and why' which is very bizzare considering the thousands upon thousands of Serbian literature and art predating the 'propped up' kingdom as you describe it.

@SuperQuater

Жыл бұрын

Grgur Ninski I respect that later political entities were created to make nations of Bosnians and Slovenians The strongest history in the region is that of the Croatian the other group splintered at some point

@ramsaysnow9196

Жыл бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 well there is dusan who is king of the serbs and the greeks :)

False…. Serbs never had a state until 1100. They are orthodox Croats.

@oblivionroamer3582

7 ай бұрын

Are you stupid? Croats wouldn't have had 90 precent of their state and territory without Serbs. You would be nothing without us.

@spatrk6634

6 ай бұрын

what? im not familiar with this serbian propaganda. what are you talking about?​ @oblivionroamer3582

@user-xt6mf1wk8w

3 ай бұрын

🤣 and what hapened when you got awake

Nice audio man xD

Serbian Gypsy DNA 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 30% E1b1b (berber) + 30% J (turkish)

@aleksandarjankovic39

4 ай бұрын

da zato smo mi uglavnom plavi, a vi hrvati tamnijeg tena i crni. bravo

@barmajutta-oj8td

3 ай бұрын

​@@aleksandarjankovic39 jeste ceda jovanovic, vlade divac, aleksandar mitrovic "plavi" kako da ne...

@aleksandarjankovic39

3 ай бұрын

@@barmajutta-oj8td pa svi oni navedeni vode poreklo od srba preko drine. svi dinarski narodi su tamnije kose i očiju, od ovo dvoje mitrović ima jedino svetliji ten. Ja ne kapiram da ste toliko glupi i ne shvatate neke osnovne stvari i da jesmo se mešali sa turcima i vi hrvati imate isto onda turkse gene jer ste se sami mešali sa nama i i dalje se mešate sa nama tako da muči i uči malo više, a ne šta piše na internetu.

Its important to mention how the script survive.....bulgarian ruler boris donate 2 milion lambs in order to produce books for the church and this way the alphabeth survive,cause many others didnt because they were not used

19. century: "serb" Notion "serb" mentioned for the first ime in 19. century!!!

TVRTKO King TVRTKO was Croat and a Croatian King in the territory of today's Bosnia and Herzegovina. No ONE serb has a name of Tvrtko.

I have to correct you on something. Northern Croatia was never owned by the German Empire. You made a mistake there. You also left out princes such as Ljudevit Posavski. We even had two Croatias. Pannonian and Primorska Croatia. The Hungarians never occupied Slavonia. The last king Zvonimir was already in a relationship with the sister of King Koloman Arpadovicz. However, you also omitted the fact that the Croats agreed with the Hungarians on a dual Croatian-Hungarian state. We had the same king who was partly Croat. Hungarians are partly Croats because of the Pannonians with whom they mixed.

This is why "youtube" is not a good place to study history. So wrong.

Raska... Duklja... then boom all of a sudden Serbia, how the fuck did that happen

@milos582

Жыл бұрын

Duklja, Raška, Bosna, Zahumlje, Travinua, Paganija were considered Serb districts, inhabitant by baptized and unbaptized Serbs. Together forming grand principality of Serbia

@rp4all584

Жыл бұрын

@@milos582 But the name Serbia/Serbs is not mentioned anywhere before 1100-1200. They are mentioned as Raska or Duklja, although I don't know what they have to do with each other, apart from the territorial one, with a gap of several hundred years

@milos582

Жыл бұрын

@@rp4all584 that is not true. look no further than DAI and the Frankish annals. DAI mentions Serbs and the city they inhabit naming cities located in today Bosna, Dalmatia, Serbia and Kosovo in the later known Metohija plain and so on. it also describes the by me listed districts (first comment) as Serb inhabited lands. Those were districts ruled by Zupans but ruled by a grand prince, zupan etc, later king and czar. unfortunately Serbs are crazy snd fight against each other as perfectly described in the video. Not only that but Serbs have been recorded as far as Greece in Macedonia, Thessalia etc. The Frankish annals mention Serbs as Inhabting the majority of Dalmatia. All this happened prior 1100-1200. I don’t know what narrative your trying to push but if your doubting Serb identity you’ll shoot yourself in the leg. Archeologically, literature and primary sources the Serb identity is very strongly established.

@rp4all584

Жыл бұрын

@@milos582 I'm not trying to push any narrative!! Mention of Serbia/Serbs... John Kinnamos, 12th century. John Skylitzes, 12th century too. The earliest Constantine Porphyrogenitus, 10th century. As for the Frankish annals, could you be more specific where exactly? Are they original or Einhard's!? 😀 Sorry for my ''interest'' of Balkan history,,

@milos582

Жыл бұрын

@@rp4all584 DAI is published 9 or 10 century, that’s earlier than you claimed (11-12 cent.) as for the Royal Frankish Annals they are from the late 8th century. What is wrong with Reinhard? He was a Frankish scholar and main author of the Royal Frankish annals along with Bishop Hilduin. Nothing wrong with your interest but it don’t understand what you don’t get?

Why evrybody say "serbs" for people who live in Raska Duklja Zahumlje??????

@erian-jw8fd

4 ай бұрын

Because they were slaves (latin for servi) 😂😂😂😂😂 read de administrado imperio

@ariansegota7944

4 ай бұрын

​@@erian-jw8fdbut you don't understand on Serbs Latin language "servi" mean Serbs 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@erian-jw8fd

4 ай бұрын

@@ariansegota7944 i know serbs come from servi...its not a Name for people or a tribe...modern serbs were created by turks in 19th cenutry they do t have anything to do with old rascians

9:28 Some corrections I need to give you and that is Duklja (later in 1400s Zeta) is Montenegrin first independent state not Serbian. That leads to my second correction that I need to give you which is dynasty of Vojislavljević is Montenegrin first dynasty not Serbian dynasty. Also "battle of Bar" is called "Tuđemil battle" and 1054 there is no Serbia who was at that time called Raška which got name from town of Ras. Raška was province in Kingdom of Duklja. The pope give title "Rex Sclavorum" or "King of Slavs" to Montenegrin dynasty not Serbian. Serbia as independent state again started to be in 1166. But to circle, all video is good some mistakes but for the next video, I hope you do a little bit more research. 😁

@kurjakhistory4727

Жыл бұрын

John Skylitzes (Byzantine 11th century contemporary historian) describes Stefan Vojislav as Archon of the Serbs and of Serbia. It is clear from written evidences that these sub-states such as Zeta, Duklja, Raška etc. were seen as Serbian counties and states. The term 'Crna Gora' or 'Montenegro' was first used to describe the wider mountain range around the 14th century. Culturally, there is no real meaningful distinction to make between Serbian and Montenegrin culture. This video describes as you mentioned Duklja as Serbian as this is how it was refered to at the time period in question.

@JohnnyWalker1077

Жыл бұрын

@@kurjakhistory4727 Great explanation.

Maps are not the best and the documemts are controversial regarding the crowning of Croatian King Tomislav but the animations are very cool.

What is up with the audio quality, it sounds like hes in a bathroom

Cool video, could have used little more research, one side note as a Dubrovnik native, Dubrovnik was never,never,never,never,never, never and also never under Serbian rule, apart from 2 short stints being under Byzantin and Venice control, Dubrovnik was a proud owner of its own freedom and state, until Napoleon. They systematically bought off land around the city and islands from Serbian lords, because they always needed it for some war effort.

💅Oj devojko😎 🍎Jabuko rumena🤙🏽

Your map is very wrong in area of Dalmatia around city Split. Serbia was never in this area. According to the historiographical sources of the time (emperor Konstantin Porphirogennet, cca. 950) borders of Croatia proper were on river Cetina and later on river Neretva, included area of Pagania or Neretvani. Also, region around Pset and Pliva was integral part of Croatia, according to the contemporary source of the time (emperor's Porphirogennetos work: De administrando imperio. chapters 30 and 31 about Croats). There is no proof that duke Branimir was son of Domagoj.

Khorasan & Sakastan

LOL tomislav,kresimir and zvonimir all ruled to the drina river.Croatia included Soli,Bosnia those 2 were banates and even parst of croatia when it vas in a personal union with hungary!! Video is good but the maps are terible.

Srbske zemlje i pomorske

sources? principality of serbia in 8th century? cmon, man xD

This is totall difrent than history facts 🤣

No. You are just saying some poor croatian propaganda.... Serbs became independent in heroic uprisings in 1804-1815. Greeks become independent after uprisings in 1821. That's all. Croatia was created by Hitler in 1941.

@najutum-vh5vi

9 ай бұрын

serbs were liberated by russians (mikhail chernyayev, serbian uprising and serbo turkish-war) from turks....serbs never had any single battle or uprising against there occupiers in there whole history, not any single..thats a fact... you were actually most loyal servants to turks, mongols, byzantine and bulgarians for 1000 years...

How come you keep mentioning some Serbs in Croatian history, and in Serbian history no Croats are mentioned until 1919? Do you have any graves of those great men of yours to show?

@daz7122

8 ай бұрын

If your referring to Croatian historical graves try looking up Knez Srba Zaharija Pribiljesevic. This guy and King Tomislav were best of mates back in the day.

@jonomobono3223

8 ай бұрын

Actually in serbian history only turks and albanians were mentioned...since serbs are of turk and albanian origin

@user-lf2jh2ru9f

8 ай бұрын

@@jonomobono3223 That's what it looks like when you only know recent history. When Serbia was a serious country, both Turks and Albanians were migling in Asia.

@jonomobono3223

8 ай бұрын

@@user-lf2jh2ru9f serbia is an asian country...much closer to turks then to croats

@user-lf2jh2ru9f

8 ай бұрын

@@jonomobono3223You are clearly ignorant. Croats are only Serbs on the Vatican drug. Also, the Serbs are known for their 500-year struggle against the Turks.

Huge mistake made by king tomislav is to save serbs from bulgarians...

@dalibortrupina432

5 күн бұрын

Those weren't Serbs,but Zaharije was Knez from Raška(Rvaška,Hrvaška) or in Croatian he was Knez Raški(Knez Rvaški,Knez Hrvaški)! It was a Catholic Duchy... There is no Serbs mentioned...

Raus ales kolovoz peti GG 1995Amen

2 things: 1. Hrvoje Gracanin wrote that the claims from De Administrando Imperio (10th century source building off of out-of-date sources, uses some folk tales, lots of uncorroborated claims) about the Croats splitting into two groups settling both Lower Pannonia / Slavonia, and Croatia is not supported by the craniometrical findings between the two. Which is a pretty big hurdle to equating them to Croats. Also, there's no mention of the Slavs of Lower Pannonia as being Croats. They're referred to as part of "The Eastern Slavs" in the Vita Ludovici, and the eastern Slavs were enumerated as being made up of Abodrites, Wilzi, Moravians and a bunch of others - their collective spread spans very far from northern Germany down to Slavonia and maybe beyond. There's also the fact that Trpimir later refers to himself as ruler of "Croats and Slavs", which seems redundant if they're one and the same, unless he's referring to Bosnians or some other group and that the Slavonians are part of the term "Croats". 2. When the Franks under Wonimir conquered the region above the Sava river from the Avars in 796, it is likely that it is the same point in time when the Avars lost control of what is Bosnia today. The period between then and up until 897 has no sources at all when it comes to Bosnia (the Vrbas, Una, Bosna, Drina rivers aren't mentioned anywhere as landmarks, and no cities are mentioned - Pset is said to be somewhere closer to Knin, not in Bosnia, at least according to what I've read from the Croatian Archaeological Society), and nobody knows where the borders were nor what was inside of Bosnia exactly and at what point in time. Tibor Zivkovic pointed out that the source of Anastasius Bibliothecarius, which Porphyrogenitus used for his De Administrando Imperio when writing about the western Balkans, used the term "horion" for Bosnia during his lifetime(810-878, likely wrote the book in 876), and Porphyrogenitus then just copied that into his DAI. This explains his confusing idea of "a country within a country" - the same word he uses for other independent countries, because as we know, Steven Runciman found evidence that the Serbs conquered Bosnia around 897, so that it could be included into Serbia in DAI in around 950 instead of Bosnia's cities just being enumerated as cities of Serbia. But there is no evidence to suggest that at very least the Usora-region and down to Sarajevo, and off to the Drina, belonged to Croatia "just because it didn't belong to Serbia". In fact, Irma Cremosnik excavated the archaeological evidence which confirmed that Procopius' Dalmatian Slavs from the spring of 551 appear to have settled near the Sarajevo-region (so about two centuries before the first mentions of the Serbs and Croats), and Conversio Bagoariorum et Carantanorum says that when Pribina fled from the Franks to Ratimir, he had to cross the river Sava to get into Ratimir's dominion (whose state was a pagan vassal of the Bulgarian empire, who were still pagans at that time). Neven Budak wrote that the Sisak region had been taken from the Slavs of Lower Pannonia during the war against Ljudevit, and that the Lower Pannonia of Ratimir was therefore the eastern part of Slavonia. If he's right, this means that the only way for Pribina to cross the river Sava to get to Ratimir is if he crossed it where it makes up the northern border of Bosnia, i.e. into the old Usora-region - but we don't know how deep. The Magyars destroyed Slavonia in 894, which would be very convenient for Peter Gojnikovic of Serbia to conquer the outskirts i.e. Bosnia, who John V.A. Fine says managed to conquer it, but was unable to conquer the independent state of Zachumlia. The next time Bosnia gained its independence is in 960 when Caslav was defeated by the Magyars and the Serbian state collapses, and they kept it until 968 when they lost at the Battle of Vrbas to Croatia and were absorbed into the Croatian kingdom. A lot of Croatian and Serbian history is written on the basis of sources which write hundreds and hundreds of years after the events, sometimes they even use claims from 17th-century sources or later to say that something happened in the Dark Ages. There are such sources which make claims about events in Bosnia as a state in the Dark Ages, but they're not taken seriously because of the anachronism. However, we don't reject such sources when they speak for the independence of Bosnia only to accept such sources when they make claims that Bosnia belonged to this one or that one. Nobody can say that Bosnia belonged to either Croatia nor Serbia before the 10th century, and nobody can say that the Bosnians are of one or the other ethnicity, and nobody can say that they were a christian population. (There are some interesting contemporary Byzantine sources and archeological evidences of their paganism at that time, as well) At best you could tentatively assume, with disclaimers, that Croatia's eastern border was the Una river (which, again, isn't mentioned by name anywhere) as rivers were often used as borders back then, but for either Croatia's or Serbia's borders to encompass all of that territory - that would need some really tough evidence that I've never seen.

@ramsaysnow9196

Жыл бұрын

The first mention of bosnia is not even defined as a land but a civitac/city. In the 10th century popal documents count the city bosnia(todays visoko) as a civitas in the croatian kingdom.Later bosnia will be called honorion by the romans and then again later a banate. So the evolution is evident from a city to a župa(bosnia and vrhbosna) and last a banate became out of bosnia. Bosnian ban is mentioned in croatian kingdoms laws who regulate the chusing of a king and that is not posible for a body that is not part of the kingdom.

@tzimisce1753

Жыл бұрын

​@@ramsaysnow9196 You mean the "Provinciale Vetus" from 1060-1075 CE about the *church administrative divisions* (like Croatia was part of the Serbian Patriarchate of Pec several centuries ago), which was drafted *after* the "Civitates Ungarie", after Duklja loses northern Bosnia to *Hungary* ? I.e. the *XI* century not the *X* century. You're talking about an 11th century source which says "civitas Bosna", not "urbs Bosna". "Urbs" means "City", "Civitas" means "State/Tribe", and occasionally it denoted city-states like Ragusa, Trau, Zara, Arba, Veglia, Cattaro, Spalato (yes, lots of "Croatian" cities were independent and prefered Venetian and even Bosnian overlordship over Croatian and Serbian overlordship) because a state doesn't have to be bigger than a city to be a state, like San Marino and France are both called "a state". We don't know how big each civitas was, but there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest that it was one single city and that some kind of "evolution" took place, only that Vrhbosna(part of today's Sarajevo, not Visoko) was its likely capitol - but judging by how far away the surrounding "civitates" are from the civitas of Bosna, the civitas of Bosna was a very big region under Hungarian suzerainty in the 11th century. In fact, open a map, and mark these other places listed in the same letter, and you'll see how far away "civitas Bosna" is from all the rest of them: Solin, Zadar, Skradin, Trogir, Biograd, Rab, Krk, Sisak, Dubrovnik, Kotor, Ston, Mokro Polje(or Makarska, but you can add both, either still gives the same conclusion), Ulcinj, Svac, Bar, Tomislavgrad, Nin, and "Absara" is somewhere on the island Cres. Kotor, Ulcinj, Svac and Bar are in Montenegro - and these were part of Duklja in 1060-1075, not Croatia nor Hungary. If you doubt the definition of "civitas", read "Glossarium Mediae et Infimae Latiniatis", "Mediae Latiniatis Lexicon Minus", "A Glossary of Later Latin To 600 A.D." and "Thesaurus Linguae Latinae". What *I* was talking about is the *earlier* source called "De Administrando Imperio" from the *10th* century, and the sources its author Porphyrgenitus was using to write it. That primary source and first-hand account was written in 876 CE - and it lists Bosona as an independent state("[...]haì eìs tò *horíon* Bósona tò Kátera haì tò Desníh" - "[...]and in the country of Bosona, Katera and Desnih"). The same word is used for Zachlumia, which is listed as an independent country ("Oti í tón Zahlomon *hóra* parà tón Romaíon próteron èharteito[...]" = "The country of the Zachlumi was previously possessed by the Romans[...]"). "Hora" is a diminutive of "Horion". See the NAS Exhaustive Concordance, sections 5564 & 5561. Porphyrgenitus copied this word from Anastasius, who, as a primary, first-hand account witnessed the independent state of Bosnia before the Serbian invasion, and then wrote it down as such in 876 CE.

@ramsaysnow9196

Жыл бұрын

@@tzimisce1753 duklja didnt lost bosnia tu hungary LOL! Civitas in churchal documents means diocesis i think :) well the documents sometimes mistake bosnia with rama. So the hungaryans who were rulers of bosnia called it rama instead of bosnia shows u that u caniot trust documents naming a country. Especialy if that country has 2 Towns LOL who are named but unkonwn at all! Noone ever found Katera or Dresnik in Bosnia.Maybe those werent even in bosnia.Let say dioklea ruled those 2 towns,again those towns didnt made the core of bosnia honorion!!! If they had they would be known to exist lol!

@tzimisce1753

Жыл бұрын

@@ramsaysnow9196 Yes they did. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Bosnia#Duke_(1082%E2%80%931136) I might be off by a few decades about the Hungarian invasion, that's possible (depending on what happened during the Hungarian conquest of Syrmia), and Stephen and Kocapar, his son-in-law and successor, died in 1095 CE during the Zachumlian rebellion following the failed Bosnian and Rascian rebellions. 1136 CE is the latest one could claim that Hungary invaded Bosnia, which gives you a gap of about 41 years where Bosnia was either under Hungary or it was independent. It could not have been under Croatia, since Croatia was declining after 1091 CE, and Duklja did not have de facto control over it anymore. Stephen did not rule until 1101 CE, and there's no evidence that Bosnia was Bodin's vassal after 1095 CE since there was no feudal lord to swear fealty to him anymore in Bosnia, and the population showed their desire for independence with a failed rebellion a few years before that, while Zachumlia was in open, successful rebellion. Whichever way you turn it; Petar Snacic was elected in 1093 CE. The Bosnian ban Stephen at that time had previously been hand-picked and instated by Constantine Bodin, and was very supportive of Bodin, all the way until Stephen's death in 1095 CE. There's no indication that he had any interest in Croatia while his overlord was Duklja. Slavonia was either inherited or invaded by Ladislaus of Hungary in 1091, and then he started a campaign to conquer the rest of Croatia as the Hungarians had a royal marriage that they used to claim the throne when Croatia's Stephen II died without leaving an heir. So the Croatian nobles elected Petar Snacic to prevent the conquest. This is the only known election to ever happen during the kingdom of Croatia, after that the Hungarians chose who would be the king of Hungary and Croatia together. The Supetar Cartulary which claims that election was a Croatian custom, which you were invoking earlier about the election of Petar Snacic, was not written in one single year, but it has several additions. The 67th page, where it mentions that "the Croatians have a custom of electing their new king, if he leaves no heirs" and then listing all of the lords allowed to vote, was dated to the 13th or 14th century, probably written by presbyter Rüdiger himself. Some say it was copied from an original which was drafted in 1180 CE (which we don't have, if it ever existed, and this year is still 87 years after the event, not a first-hand account), and its author is unknown. But the author did not know that the election wasn't a custom. He also included Albania as one of the electorates, but the Principality of Arbanon does not appear until 1190 CE. And apart from Stephen of Bosnia being a faithful puppet of Constantine Bodin, the Syrmian theme (which was conquered by the Hungarians after the Battle of Manzikert in 1071 CE, which is around the time the Civitates Ungariae was being written) is also included, where we know that a Hungarian puppet was ruling, as well as Álmos the son of Géza the Hungarian king having the right to vote for who will be the king of Croatia instead of Ladislaus. So you have 2 people included who are hostile to Petar Snacic, 1 who is under the overlordship of another country, and 1 whose country was at very least not free or did not exist at the time. (Albanians may have existed, but the region was under Byzantium in 1093 CE) Rama was south-west, near Herzegovina, specifically near Delminium. Hungarians often included Bosnia into the title _Rex Ramae_ later on, and there's no question that they can be synonyms, depending on the time period. There were towns in Bosona which were not listed but uncovered later, like Vrhbosna which you mentioned earlier, or Gornji Vrbljani also had a settlement seen in archaeological evidence from the 8th century, but had no church. Vrtuci had archaeological remains of Frankish, catholic missionaries in the 9th century (confirming that the people there were not christians). But Katera and Desnik were designated cities in the Byzantine registers because they were ecumenical centers. (Tibor Zivkovic also explained how this indicates that Bosnia was very likely indpendent before 822 CE - and I have to say that it was very, very convincing) Meaning that those two were the only ones with churches, but the region's size is unknown. It's just another piece of evidence of how non-christian Bosnia was in the 10th century. Katera and Desnik are just as "not found" as any of the locations listed to be in Croatia, Serbia, Duklja etc. Meaning that people dispute them even today - but there are good, well-researched guesses, a few historians dissent and have other opinions. This isn't out of the ordinary. But if you want 100% consensus as your bar of proof - that opens a big can of worms for both Croatia's history and Serbia's history.

@numenoreaneternity6682

Жыл бұрын

The Avar Khaganate has never extended outside of the Pannonian Basin, the Avar findings at Sava are, at best, military frontiers, and their destruction correlates with the period of the invasion of the White Croats and White Serbs, who are, in traditional history, credited for defeating and exterminating them south of the Danube, and in Lower Pannonia. The title that Trpimir bore only states that as king, he ruled over several tribes of Slavs, his own, the Croats, and others, which are not named. Identifying the White Croats as anything but Slavs is pointless revisionism, and has no foundation in ethnography, history, and language studies. And do share your wells of information, I'd love to add them to my library, are they available in PDF?

There are no croatian medieval kings because there was no croatian kingdoms, ever.

Serbs are natives . You can be martians , who cares.

Croatia did have a medieval Kingdom before Hungary took it all. On the other hand, Serbia had a Kingdom in 1217 and an Empire in 1346. The Serbian medieval state - the last one known as the Serbian Despotate fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1459 with the fall of Smederevo.

@lesata-xk2hu

3 ай бұрын

Serbs never had a kingdom...serbia is a creation of ottoman empire, there is not a single historical documents who mentions serbs as people as a tribe (only rascans, dukljans etc.)

Serbs and Croats are in fact the same people who separated due to geopolitical issues. The Croats became Catholic to stem the military power of Venice. Serbia due to its proximity to the Byzantine Empire.

@madcro8209

7 ай бұрын

Nope, both were mentioned in the beginning at the same time as two distinctive people.

@novazemlja2921

6 ай бұрын

Wrong. Their Sv. Sava was born as a Catholic he converted because he choose Byzantine over Roman Empire, nothing to do with proximity.

@DocumentaryFanboy

6 ай бұрын

Ah yes... Different languages, cultures, belief systems and mentality=the same people.

@renator8257

6 ай бұрын

@@DocumentaryFanboy The language is the same

@DocumentaryFanboy

6 ай бұрын

@@renator8257 The accents are different, so is the grammar and words. So it can't be the same. It's similar, but not the same.

How ironic Trpimir Vlastimir Zvonimir Mutimir Serbs Croats back then same shit called slavs. Before schism those were all slavic rulers, after schism rupture begins but for the ordinary people to this day its the same, but politicians need nationalism to cover their failed politics and those poisoned with nationalism (keyboard warriors too) come in handy. Ne budite glupani, ljubi vas brat.

Haaa haaaa😂😂😂 prvaci sveta😂😂😂😂

@erian-jw8fd

4 ай бұрын

Pravoelavna poturica bez identiteta...

There were NEVER kingdom of croatia

@zrushu-qx7jq

26 күн бұрын

Serbs dont have history! Change my mind. .

LETS BE HONEST As a Croat you were 1000 years under Turks, Hungarians, Austrians, Serbs, Italians, Mongols....so you can trace your ancestors in Istanbul, Budapest, Ulaanbaatar laanbaatar etc. lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@najutum-vh5vi

9 ай бұрын

Lets be honest: SERBIAN GRANDMOTHERS were GNG-BANED for 900 years by TURKISH, ARAB, AFRICAN and ALBANIAN pashas.....and even before that, by MONGOLS, AVARS, BULGARIANS and BYZANTINES 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Serbian DNA dont lie: E1b1b (berber) + J (turkish)

@MatkoBrane-oq3jk

5 ай бұрын

Lets be honest as a serb you didn't exist until 1200. Servian is a mixture of roma,turks and cincars.

Jedini Višeslav je zapisan u DAI i to je srpski knez Višeslav ,sve ostalo su bajke !

@egevatre-hp3tb

7 ай бұрын

U DAI rasani, dukljani itd. su zapisani kao "servi" sluge...ne kao narod...narod "srbi" nastali 1851 i vecinom asimilirani albanci, turci, vlasi, kurdi, romi, cincari...Malo ih slavena

@milosmladenovic2661

7 ай бұрын

​@@egevatre-hp3tbNe blamiraj se, vec davno je dokazano da rec Srbi nema veze sa reci rob, a DAI potvrdjuje da su Raska(Uza Srbija), Bosna, Zakumlje, Travunija i Paganije etnicki srpske zelmje

@milosmladenovic2661

7 ай бұрын

​@@egevatre-hp3tbTakodje dnk istrazivanje osporava zadnji deo ove glupostosti koje si napisao

@DocumentaryFanboy

6 ай бұрын

Za Višeslava se ne zna čiji je on točno bio knez. Ne zna se ni gdje ni kad je vladao. Smatra ga se hrvatskim knezom jer mu je krstionica pronađena u Hrvatskoj te je ukrašena pleterom, simbolom koji su koristili samo pripadnici hrvatske etničke skupine.

@goranbras4767

6 ай бұрын

@@DocumentaryFanboy Lepo sam ti napisao gore ,JEDINI knez Višeslav za koga istoriografija zna je Višeslav kod Konstantina Porfirogenita u DAI .NIKADA ,NIKADA nije zapisan neki hr.Višeslav a to smatra se, da je hrvatski jer je pronađen u hrvatskoj pa nije pronađen u Hrvatskon već u Italiji a smatra se da je iz crkve u Ninu a to je dokazano da je apsolutno netačno .Hr.arh.prof.dr.Pija Šmelcelj Novaković je dokazala da Hrvati nisu srednjevjekovni narod već grupacija elitnih neslovenskih vojnika koji su zavladali dijom Slovena a ko su ti Sl9veni u9.st?Naravno Srbi ,to kaže Ajnhard u analima manastira Lorš ,gde se samo Srbi navode u rim.prov.Dalmacija (Dal.+Bosna +Srbija )! dakle nisu Sloveni ,njenu tvrdnju niko nije osporio u nenom djrlu "Hrvati nisu sr.vj.narod "

historical falsification

@zrushu-qx7jq

26 күн бұрын

Serbs dont have a history... Change my mind!

Croatian DNA Gypsy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 30% berber + 30% turkish DNA

@statebriga9036

8 ай бұрын

Serbian Gypsy DNA 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 30% E1b1b (berber) + 30% J (turkish)

Croats held REAL CHILDREN CONCENTRATION CAMPS in Europe during ww2.... - Jastrebarsko children concentration camp - Sisak children concentration camp - Gradiska children concentration camp - .... Even Gestapo was disgusted.....

@nuckeyn-du2uy

9 ай бұрын

SERBIAN concentration camp for children: - Rakovica manastir near belgrade SERBIAN rp camp for children during the 1990s: - Omarska camp - Prijedor camp - Visegrad - Omarska - Trnopolje... Not the Gestapo but the whole world was disgusted...of serbia genocidal-uncivilized culture...

@tone713

4 ай бұрын

And the Chetniks did nothing bad? Also the Nazis crucified babies

What kingdom did Croatia have....?

Жыл бұрын

Kingdom of Croatia

LMAO 🤣

@zrushu-qx7jq

26 күн бұрын

Serbs dont have a history... Change my mind!

😂😂😂

@nukana-wb9bm

18 күн бұрын

Sta trazi srbijanac u istanbulu? Pradjeda svog 😂😂😂😂

@vojatankosic7042

18 күн бұрын

​@@nukana-wb9bmnemoj tako o precima😂

@nukana-wb9bm

18 күн бұрын

@@vojatankosic7042 srbima su preci iz Ankare a mozda i iz irana ili pakistana ti pricaj sta hoces 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@vojatankosic7042

18 күн бұрын

​ma iz Japana,bitno je da ste vi od srba nastali,onda ste i vi iz Irana,Pakistana itd ili kako kaze ona vasa pesma "potomak sam konjusara"​@@nukana-wb9bm

@erian-jw8fd

14 күн бұрын

​​​​@@vojatankosic7042 hrvati su arijevci i goti.. Srbi su turci i cigani... 500 godina turci jahaju srpkinje, tako nastali srbijanci....

This is bullshit

Kakvi falsifikata boze sacuvaj haaa

@zrushu-qx7jq

26 күн бұрын

Servs dont have history change my mind

Ništa smešnije nisam gledao.

@madcro8209

7 ай бұрын

Budali svasta moze biti smijesno.

@milanbrakus8704

7 ай бұрын

@@madcro8209 Budala može nekom da oslobodi more.

900 YEARS!! Lets be honest: CROATIAN GRANDMOTHERS were GANG-BANED for 900 years by TURKISH, MONGOLIAN, HUNGARIAN, SERBIAN, AUSTRIAN, ITALIAN,.....and even before that, by FRANKIAN and AVARS 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@statebriga9036

8 ай бұрын

Lets be honest: SERBIAN GRANDMOTHERS were GNG-BANED for 900 years by TURKISH, ARAB, AFRICAN and ALBANIAN pashas.....and even before that, by MONGOLS, AVARS, BULGARIANS and BYZANTINES 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Serbian DNA dont lie: E1b1b (berber) + J (turkish)

@tomislav_radic

2 ай бұрын

You don't wanna talk about DNA 🤫

Fantasy . Bulgarians likes this because them are mythical nation as same as croats

@egevatre-hp3tb

7 ай бұрын

Serbs are a nation made by turks, gypsys and arabs...serbs are sons of ottoman empire...have no Place in europe...

@MatkoBrane-oq3jk

5 ай бұрын

Servian roma talking about fantasy hahahaha

Lets be honest: CROATIAN GRANDMOTHERS were GANG-BANED for 900 years by TURKISH, MONGOLIAN, HUNGARIAN, SERBIAN, AUSTRIAN, ITALIAN,.....and even before that, by FRANKIAN and AVARS 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@nuckeyn-du2uy

9 ай бұрын

Lets be honest: SERBIAN GRANDMOTHERS were GNG-BANED for 900 years by TURKISH, ARAB, AFRICAN and ALBANIAN pashas.....and even before that, by MONGOLS, AVARS, BULGARIANS and BYZANTINES 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Serbian DNA dont lie: E1b1b (berber) + J (turkish)

@wasjucktdichmeinname2167

9 ай бұрын

As a croat i say its unfortunately true but we croatians are genetically serbs anyways

@wasjucktdichmeinname2167

9 ай бұрын

🇷🇸🇷🇸🇭🇷🇭🇷❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@jonomobono3223

8 ай бұрын

​@@wasjucktdichmeinname2167 croats are generically slavs...while serbs are generically turks, gypsys and arabs...just facts...

You or you don't know anything, are you not well informed, no one from Serbia came to Serbia, there is no Croatian Višeslav, Tomislav? the one you mention is a Serb and not any Croatian king, it's all made up, there are no trads about some Croatian kings because they didn't even exist, because they didn't even exist as a people then, Croats were artificially created, that's known.

@filipmiljak7207

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the world came of serbs, everyone is serbian, you people keep living in your own imaginary world and history in which only you believe, and croats will keep living in real world and will believe in history that is recognized by the world historians...🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@bakimc4722

Жыл бұрын

@@filipmiljak7207 : Да није ватикана не бих ни постојали,ви сте једно велико Nobody 😂

@filipmiljak7207

Жыл бұрын

@@bakimc4722 Da, Vatikan i zapadne belosvecke sile su se urotile protiv srba, tipičan argument srba. 🤦‍♂️Zašto vi srbi mislite da ste ikome bitni, il zašto mislite da ste ikome trn u oku? Nikoga nije briga ni za vas ni za nas. Da smo mi stvarno srbi i da nas je Vatikan htio pokatoličiti, zar ne bi bilo lakše da na pomadžare na silu? A ne da stvaraju neku vještačku naciju. Al nema veze, ajde vi živite u svom imaginarnom svijetu ako vam je lakše, samo nemojte dolazit na videa o našoj povijesti koja je općeprihvaćena sa tim glupostima.

@bakimc4722

Жыл бұрын

@Marko That's just your opinion, only God knows.

@bakimc4722

Жыл бұрын

@@filipmiljak7207 : Немам ја проблема са Хрвастком историјом само не волим лажи.

Croats are still digging for coins in order to prove they had an kingdom but find only Roman and Serbian.

@brotnjanin

Жыл бұрын

You literally have pictures of Croatian minted coins from the middle ages. Banovac is a great example. On top of that, why would we use coins to prove the existence of our medieval kingdom? There are medieval Croat churches, buildings and artifacts which can be found all over Croatia. On top of that we have detailed descriptions of Croatia in letters and other works of literature, the Venetians, Franks, Byzantines, Arabs all mention Croats, on top of that you have many papal writings on us. The same sources which Serbs use for their history mention Croats just as much.

@enerwagner2876

Жыл бұрын

Serbs in there blood they only find turkish and Vlah dnk

@joezadro1156

Жыл бұрын

Serbia was in 1350,Croatia had kingdom in Balkans at 650. Servs were called called servers,servers of Byzantines,servers of croatians,then servers of turks, Serbs have 65 percent Turkish genes in 2023

@flyingpuma9729

Жыл бұрын

No offense, but croats have far more archeological artefacts from that period than serbs. Serbian history starts with the Nemanjics 400 years later.

@flyingpuma9729

Жыл бұрын

@@joezadro1156 Do you have any source that croats had a kingdom or similar at 650?

It's wrong to talk about the "balkan peninsula" before the arrival of turks. And secondly the clear cultural-civilizational difference of Croatia from balkan states puts Croatia outside of Balkan even after the Ottomans arrival, i.e. today.