There have been atheist as long as there have been humans.

@Homo_sAPEien

18 күн бұрын

Exactly what I said.

@user-ug4ok3ov2t

16 күн бұрын

No there hasn't. For the simple fact. That god was invented so much later. You can't have an atheist without a belief in god. That's the whole point.

@user-nc9pc3gr4c

16 күн бұрын

This guy sounds like he worships the material world.

@user-ug4ok3ov2t

15 күн бұрын

@@richardlaiche8303 you're right. That's what I meant. Thinking too many things while typing. 🫣

10 күн бұрын

first you need to define "human" since there were many hominid species before modern humans. At what point one of them developed a concept that would apply to our word "god" nobody knows. This is an example of critical thinking. Try it.

I’m sorry, but this video doesn’t really explain how Spinoza “invented atheism”. The creator clearly admires Spinoza, lauding him as a tragic figure who was ahead of his time and persecuted for his beliefs, but that can describe lots of historical figures. What were Spinoza’s revolutionary ideas and how did they compare to the conventional thinking at the time? Who were his philosophical opponents and how did they argue against Spinoza - and what were his responses to their critiques? I left this video knowing nothing substantive about Spinoza’s philosophical innovations; just that he was a smart guy who took a lot of heat, and for that reason I should admire him.

10 күн бұрын

The Roman poet Lucretius was very and openly atheistic long before Spinoza.

Albert Einstein said, “I believe in Spinoza's God”

@redmatters9318

17 күн бұрын

EINSTEIN got this one wrong, for belief and faith STOPS critical thinking, but if Enstein meant to say I think Spinoza is on the right track 👣 and we can research more to prove him right or wrong, then Enstein had a point. G'day from Australia 🇦🇺. Dream on ....

@D-Pocalypse

17 күн бұрын

Belief is just faith in the absence of evidence.......

@James-ye7rp

16 күн бұрын

@@D-Pocalypse Sorry, Faith is just Belief in the absence of evidence...

@D-Pocalypse

16 күн бұрын

@@James-ye7rp 👍🍻

10 күн бұрын

@@redmatters9318 Spinoza just played word games by redefining god to mean nature. There was no "track". It's a common dodge to avoid the social stigma attached to open atheism.

Spinoza is very, very late to the atheist claim. Most of the ancient Greek Philosophers like Socrates questioned the gods. That was one of the accusations against him. Atheism is as old as intelligence and the rejection of superstition.

Great video, but pls consider dropping the clicking sounds - extremely annoying and takes away focus

@timeless_wisdom_real

Ай бұрын

Well, thanks for the advice and for watching my video! Please consider to sub since it helps me a lot to keep going ;)

What nonsense. Atheists have existed for as long as man has been able to think. “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.” - Seneca

@liamstacey419

17 күн бұрын

Socretes.

@fr57ujf

17 күн бұрын

According to Plato, while Meletus claims at Socrates' trial that he is an atheist, his indictment does not claim that but rather that Socrates does not believe in the officially accepted gods of the Athenian state, and that he makes up gods of his own and teaches the youth of Athens to do the same. Although he never outright rejected the standard Athenian view of religion, Socrates' beliefs were nonconformist. He often referred to God rather than the gods and reported being guided by an inner divine voice.

Buddha (563B.C- 483B.C), Charvaka (around 500B.C)

I completely identify with his way of thinking

Great clip! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Thank you

Charvaka, also known as Lokāyata, is an ancient school of Indian materialism. It is considered as one example of the atheistic schools in the Ancient Indian philosophies. Wikipedia It's so nice when Western thinkers get credit and a first pass on ideas that have existed for so ling in other places. India is a prime example of this. So many theories lived and excelled there for thousands of years only to be 'discovered' or 'invented' by the west.

Agreed. Absurd clicking sound just a distraction..

@D-Pocalypse

17 күн бұрын

Haven't you ever watched a sideshow?

Spinoza was a great man, I have read his books. There are no gods.

Spinoza was a pantheist, right? Is pantheism same as atheism? I think not. Pantheism renders god as identical with nature, because to separate god from nature is to diminish god. This is to me a clever way to render the churches obsolete and is why the assorted monotheisms took umbrage at Spinoza. He was applying Oakham's razor in a most ingenious fashion. I smile when i think he was doing this just to get a rise out of the establishment. If god is the world (and by the way Whitehead said the same thing) then there is less ritual and other nonsense to be concerned with and we can just go about our day's business. How refreshing. And so this is indeed the best of all possible worlds because it is the only one possible.

10 күн бұрын

we already have a word for nature. Don't need to call it "god". If that's all god is, it is merely semantics.

" To understand is to be free".

A pretty good commentary. Liked the pictures shown by great artists, such as Bosch, Bruegel, Raphael, Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Hals, and Vermeer.

Hello, 2500 years ago Buddha and Mahaveera were atheist.

@brada-smith2807

16 күн бұрын

Lol - isn’t it so! Western philosophy is so provincial.

@kumar3321

15 күн бұрын

....Even before that Charvak was the earliest proponent of Atheism, whose works are compiled in the book form called Lokayat Darshan written in Sanskrit.

10 күн бұрын

@@kumar3321 Charvak was a philosophical school not a person. You're right that it was explicitly atheistic, originating sometime in the first millennium BCE.

@kumar3321

10 күн бұрын

Yes, it’s. It’s not proven whether it was a person or only a School of Philosophy. Whatever it might be, its documents are widely mentioned by almost all later Indian Philosophers in their treaties. For example Madhavachary starts his famous book SarvDarshana Sangrah with criticism of Charvak Darshan. Even older Buddhist scriptures mentioned Charvak. As far as Atheim is concerned Buddhist and Jains are considered Atheist in India. Jainism is considered as old as Hinduism or Vedic Philosophy.

@PeterKnagge

6 күн бұрын

Everyone is the first Atheist. Just ask Spinoza!

Spinoza was first a Jew. His questioning of the chosen people narrative drew enough negative attention from his faith, that he turned to Christianity. His questioning of some Biblical accounts put him in disfavor with Christians. At the time, the Bible and New Testament were considered to be, literally, the word of God. His "Ethics" was an attempt to argue that purely religious scriptures could not be taken "literally". He would have agreed with Jesus' words in Mark; Chapter 12, Verses 29 - 31; the "love God - love thy neighbor" narrative. He would not have taken the "walking on water" or the "fish feeding narrative" literally.

I love the "clicks" between the pictures on display. Reminds me of my college philosophy class in the early '80s. 😀

Great video !!

If this is AI generated, I have to applaud the pauses and the speech configurations.

The first atheists were thousands of years earlier in India.

@iamindysingh

21 күн бұрын

Would you be kind enough to share more information? Thanks

@billiuminoakland

20 күн бұрын

@@iamindysinghI wonder if this is what he’s talking about: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charvaka

@xrzeropoint7989

19 күн бұрын

Source please.

@michaeljosephjackson2364

18 күн бұрын

Gautama buddha

@vikaspanwar624

17 күн бұрын

@@iamindysinghJainism and Buddhism rejects the idea of God.

Reason is the workings of the human mind. So Spinoza’s philosophy was as anthropomorphic as any other philosophy of a human. That cannot be escaped.

10 күн бұрын

anthropomorphic means attributing human characteristics to non-human objects, like naming your car Sally.

There was an entire school of philosophy in India in the 6th century BCE known as Lokāyata, that was atheistic and materialistic. So no, Spinoza was not the first atheist.

"The man who is unacquainted with theism is an atheist because he does not believe in a god. This category would also include the child with the conceptual capacity to grasp the issues involved, but who is still unaware of those issues. The fact that this child does not believe in god qualifies him as an atheist." -George Smith “All children are atheists, they have no idea of God.” -Paul Henri Thiry d'Holbach, System of Nature

@simonagree4070

18 күн бұрын

And the superstitious continue to hoodwink us, force us to conform, or kill us. Every affirmation of atheism is valuable and necessary, until the superstitious have no power over us.

10 күн бұрын

ya that's hogwash. rocks are atheists under that definition.

Baruch Spinoza nicknamed the "God Intoxicated" man was never an atheist and to say he was is simply false.

@gabrielleangelica1977

15 күн бұрын

He was a Deist.

@michaelmckinney7240

15 күн бұрын

@@gabrielleangelica1977 You mean a deist. A deist is not an atheist.

@gabrielleangelica1977

15 күн бұрын

@@michaelmckinney7240 I know.

10 күн бұрын

@@michaelmckinney7240 a deist is an atheist who doesn't want to admit it.

The title makes the necessity of sound, detailed, careful research/scholarship crystal clear: Spinoza was NOT the first atheist; in fact he was not an atheist. He rejected specific ideas about “God”, but not the entire premise of the existence of such. “Timeless Wisdom” is best displayed by questioning EVERYTHING…including a bold dependence on sweeping claims…Every claim must reflect/be supported by FACTS…

@SaerdnaOoOoo

Ай бұрын

If you actually read instead of listening to religious bullshit you see that Spinosa was an atheist. Hius frioend was killed because he was an atheist. He just didnt dare to be oficially an atheist. If y8ou read all Spinosas meditations you see that he was clearly an atheist.

@timeless_wisdom_real

28 күн бұрын

Thank you for highlighting the importance of thorough research and critical thinking. It's key to unraveling the complexities of philosophical ideas. Spinoza was not the first atheist, I added that to the title to give it a more dramatic effect xD. Despite this, if you enjoyed my video please consider to sub since it takes a ton of time to make videos and I am a small channel so every interaction matters a lot! Thanks again for the comment ;)

ALL IS MIND AND WHAT IT MANIFESTS as an individual truth but not a universal truth. Consciousness came before life as a binary self replicating algorithm, which to many is God to others and to yet more others a lie. G'day from Australia 🇦🇺 Dream on.....

could upgrade the graphics a little

Please I beg you, lose the clicking sound... It's too loud and it's annoying. Otherwise, a pretty good brief introduction to Spinoza. *I am Subscriber Number 300*

There is a reason why religion goes after the young and impressionable instead of the aged and the scholarly; *as the twig is bent, so grows the tree.* We are all born as atheist until someone we trust starts telling us lies.

How does one "invent" the state of being unconvinced that gods exist?

Spinoza did not call himself an atheist and would not have done so because in his day the term atheist was used almost exclusively as a pejorative. It wasn't until the late 18th century that thinkers began to openly identify as atheists. That was the case with the French priest Jean Meslier who authored a treatise attacking all religions while calling for the overthrow of the French monarchy and the abolition of private property. His Testament was not published until after his death. Voltaire published an expurgated version of it which preserved the book's attacks on the churches while excising most of the politically radical stuff. But it was the Enlightenment philosopher Baron d'Holbach, who was the first person to publicly identify himself as being an atheist.

10 күн бұрын

nah there were open atheists is antiquity. Lucretius for one. Youre right about Spinoza. People still use semantics to avoid being openly atheist, which is still mostly viewed as pejorative.

@JimFarm

10 күн бұрын

The Epicureans, including Lucretius, professed belief in the existence of the gods. According to the Epicureans, the gods existed in their own realm, outside our natural world. They keep to themselves, and have no interest in our natural world, nor do they have any interest in human affairs. Therefore, it is irrational to fear the gods. There is no such thing as divine retribution.

10 күн бұрын

@@JimFarm lol Lucretius was an atheist dude. Read "On the Nature of Things".

@JimFarm

5 күн бұрын

I've read it. The poem opens with an invocation to the goddess Venus. He references the gods any number of times throoughout the poem. And it is, as I said, he conceived of the gods as existing in their own realm, where they live lives of contemplation. They do not interact with our own natural realm, nor do they take any interest in our own doings. You might argue that this viewpoint was tantamount to atheism, but the Epicureans professed to be religiously pious.

5 күн бұрын

@@JimFarm "he conceived of the gods as existing in their own realm" No he didn't. He referred to the gods as a rhetorical device, which is extremely common in poetry. But he presents a long and compelling argument for atheism. It's probably the best argument for atheism ever written. Ask Sam Harris. "If God can do anything he can make a stone so heavy that even he can't lift it. Then there is something God cannot do, he cannot lift the stone. Therefore, God does not exist." - Lucretius

A more pertinent question would be who was the first theist.

10 күн бұрын

Og, the homo erectus.

I’m assuming the first Human to reach emotional maturity, ie adulthood, was the first atheist…

Music (Beethoven) is from another era!

I was confused by the picture of Johnny Depp in there. 😉

The very first sentence of _Ethics_:"By that which is self-caused, I mean that of which the essence involves existence, or that of which the nature is only conceivable as existent." It is hard to get past that. Why should there be anything at all whose essence involves existence?

@timeless_wisdom_real

28 күн бұрын

Thanks for the deep insight! Spinoza was incredibly smart for his time, and his insights helped to forge our modern way of thinking. I never read Ethics because I am not a native speaker, and I find some concepts really hard to grasp. Would you advise it? Also, if you enjoyed my video, please consider to leave a sub or a like since it takes a ton of time to make videos, and I am a small channel, so every interaction matters a lot! Thanks again for the comment ;)

@travisporco

27 күн бұрын

@@timeless_wisdom_real Spinoza's worth it wherever you're going. He wrote in Latin and we're all reading in in translation anyway.

Spinoza's description and label of Atheism were unique. However, keep in mind that many ancient traditional and indigenous cultures practiced what is now called Atheism. Buddhism is a clear example of a non-God belief system.

10 күн бұрын

to be atheist you have to reject gods not just have beliefs that don't include them

I don't think he invented atheism, rather he discovered atheism. Atheism as in the truth has always been here.

Spinoza departed from the literalist approach and moved towards the allegorical. Origen predated Spinoza by over a thousand years.

Hello? Epicurus? Lucretius?

@harper626

15 күн бұрын

Epicurus believed in the Greek gods but did not think they involved themselves in human affairs.

@Geoffzilla

15 күн бұрын

@@harper626 Epicurus was an atheist who believed in atomism.

@Geoffzilla

15 күн бұрын

@harper626 I should also mention the skeptics. Also atheists.

10 күн бұрын

debatable whether Epicurus was an atheist

@Geoffzilla

10 күн бұрын

Not if you read Epicurus.

The princes of Judah have become like those who remove the landmark; upon them I will pour out my wrath like water. Hosea 5:10

10 күн бұрын

wrath gods are the best

Atheism is the default - we're all born altheists. It's conditioning that makes us religious.

@julians9070

16 күн бұрын

There is no need to be religionists.

@jimslancio

16 күн бұрын

As the great poet and philosopher Oscar Hammerstein wrote, "You've Got to be Carefully Taught." (It's a song lyric from the musical South Pacific.)

10 күн бұрын

no

" Belief is an escape. The theist is pretending that he knows. The atheist is pretending he also knows that there is no God. Neither the theist has tried to look into existence, nor has the atheist tried. And the atheist’s work is even more difficult than the theist’s work, because the theist is trying to find something - its presence, its existence; at least he has a hypothesis to work upon. The atheist has no hypothesis at all; he begins with the idea, “There is no God.” Then what are you going to seek and search for? For no-God? It is difficult to have the idea of what God is; it is more difficult to have the idea of what no-God is. Perhaps the theist may stumble by chance on God, but the atheist cannot stumble on no-God by chance, because no-God simply means something absent. You cannot stumble on something absent. The theist at least has a possibility of transforming his belief into a hypothesis that, “I don’t believe that God exists, but hypothetically I assume God exists, and I will try to search for him.” What hypothesis can the atheist have? He is denying. Negativity cannot be the hypothesis. Positivity can be the hypothesis. The atheist is in a much more difficult situation. But he is also, in another way, more comfortable than the theist. The theist cannot get rid of the doubt. It is going to remain always underneath his belief. He cannot throw it away. Belief and doubt are two aspects of the same coin. You throw one, and the other also is thrown. You save one, and the other is also saved. But the atheist, in another way, is more comfortable: there is no God - so there is no question of doubt. You cannot doubt something which is not. You can doubt something which is, or may be. But if you have decided there is nothing like God, you cannot doubt. You cannot believe; you cannot doubt. But you cannot progress in your search either. The atheist has thrown away the doubt far more deeply, far more profoundly than the theist. With the theist the doubt is just hiding behind his belief. With the atheist there is no belief to hide; he has thrown the doubt very far away, very deep in the unconscious. Of course you cannot get rid of it unless you know. But you can deceive. The atheist can deceive himself more easily than the theist. Hence atheism has been growing, theism shrinking. As man has become more intelligent, more educated, more cultured, atheism has become more prominent and theism has become something out of date. Even those who go to churches, temples, mosques, synagogues, know deep down that it is all just social conformity. It is good; they use these places just like clubs. They don’t believe; they don’t even bother."

@timeless_wisdom_real

Ай бұрын

Well, thanks for the profound insight, I never personally read Spinoza's work, even though I studied him. Thanks again for watching my video! Please consider to sub since it helps me a lot to keep going ;)

@zeroonetime

Ай бұрын

Light, Zohar, Kabbalah, Creation, Quantum Mechanics, Creation, God, Thought, Thinking, Timing Time manifest. 010 waves and Particles. Matter Antimatter, 1 annihilates the other creating Entropy.

10 күн бұрын

who are you quoting?

@willieluncheonette5843

10 күн бұрын

from a talk by Osho

Try reading what Spinoza actually wrote

W

Thank you, Spinoza, for getting rid of the idiots from my heaven

Spinoza was NOT an atheist ⚛️. He was a Diest.

Worth checking out Epicurus. Far superior to the theist Stoics.

Atheist and atheism is as old as humanity… it is innate to every innocent being!

Good video, but he was not the first athiest, not even close,

Impossible. No fedora and he looks reasonably healthy and of sound mind.

The early death of both parents might well render Spinoza an atheist, combined with his massive intellect, which became his idol.

Spinoza was the greatest Jew of all time.

@redmatters9318

17 күн бұрын

Nonsense. The greatest jew ✡️ ever was Uncle Katz, who owned a newspaper booth in New York and who taught about life, god, business, justice, to Chomsky, who is the greatest Jewish TREASURE ALIVE today!. G'DAY FROM AUSTRALIA MATE 🇦🇺 Oseh SHALOM . Am yisrael chai!! 😅 ha ha 😂

how does one "invent" atheism? atheism is simply not believing in fairy tales with no supporting evidence.

No , the first Human invented atheism is Epicuro , Spinoza is a Panteism and Deism

this channel is done

What an idiotic title even though I'm happy to see a publication on spinoza. many other famous philosophers were atheists in the sense of not believing in an anthropomorphic God. Xenophanes and Aristotle were two

Spinoza believed in god, just not a personal god. He knew we created god in our own image but what he didn't get is that the whole concept of there being a god at all was also a human invention. He still talk about there being a perfect being upon which we project our ideas. He didn't get that god itself is just one of those bad ideas. He was definitely NOT an atheist.

Epicurious that you are wrong about Spinoza.

why do you show pictures of catholic priests when talking about Spinsa`s rejection by his jewish community?

Atheism is not am invention.

@leebennett1821

24 күн бұрын

Yes you cannot invent not believing in something

Whoever is making the video is attempting to give the feel of old film with lots of dark spots. It doesn’t look at all like the genuine article. It’s ugly and it’s distracting enough that I can’t watch it. I’m sure your material is interesting, but please stop with the fake “old film” attempts.

SPINOZA WAS, LIKE LEIBNIZ, A GNOSTIC THEOLOGIAN AND FORERUNNER OF GERMAN IDEALISM AND HEGELIANISM. SO, HE WAS NOT AN ATHEIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

The first atheist? Really??...sigh...

Spinoza is being abused by you, sir, with your ridiculous clickbait title and this absolutely false and arrogant assertion of "The First Atheist". Humans have lived and thought with ideas similar to (and equally as sophisticated as) contemporary people for thousands of years. Only a naive or ignorant person would have such a limited understanding of our nature and history to suggest otherwise. Get over yourself...

That is one of the most idiotic headlines I have ever seen. Nobody knows who the first ANYTHING is.

We more interested in french astrology, Nostradamus!

Everyone is born atheist, so no!😂

Fanboy video. Just pathetic.

This title is unbelievably stupid. Atheism was not invented. Atheism was there before we made up religion. First humans were atheists, before they made up religion.

@timeless_wisdom_real

22 күн бұрын

Or maybe you are stupid and the title was made to give a dramatic tone to the video :)

@johnsting2783

22 күн бұрын

@@timeless_wisdom_real Then put the quotation marks.

@dianahill5116

19 күн бұрын

​@@timeless_wisdom_real Everyone is born atheist. Religion has to be taught. Atheism doesn't have to be taught.

@jamesvalvis1131

18 күн бұрын

Almost certainly false. What we know is that humans from the earliest days believed in gods.

10 күн бұрын

atheism is the rejection of gods. by definition it could not exist before god concepts existed. Under your definition a rock is an atheist.