As a kid, I saw a bunch of these fly over New Plymouth, New Zealand in 1955. What impressed me was that their low-level approach was silent, with a crashing roar only as they passed overhead.

Given that it marked the successful turning point from piston engine to axial flow jet it could hardly be described as a 'nightmare' especially since its basic design was maintained in the swept wing F-84F,

@rudolphguarnacci197

Ай бұрын

A bit of clickbait.

Two of the eight MiGs shot down by an F-84 were shot down by the same pilot, Wally Shirra - who would go on to fly faster and higher craft.

@dougcastleman9518

Ай бұрын

Those craft, of course, bring all three of the first NASA manned capsules…Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo….just in case anyone didn’t know.

@Flyingunz64D

Ай бұрын

I did not know that! Thanks

@PappyGunn

Ай бұрын

The combat record of US astronauts is something I should really look into. I heard Buzz Aldrin participated in the Korean war and many other astronaus.

@Ruckweiler73

Ай бұрын

Wally Schirra was also the '50's test pilot who flew the program during the development of the Sidewinder missile at China Lake.

@KRW628

Ай бұрын

Buzz Aldrin flew in Korea and shot down two MiGs. John Glenn got three MiG kills. Jim McDivitt, Neil Armstrong and Walt Cunningham flew in Korea, but had no shoot downs.

One of the most cogent and informative comments sections. Everyone is making interesting points that clearly comes from first-hand experiences. Thanks!

The Thunderjet served in the Royal Norwegian Airforce in the early 1950s. My older cousin flew one after having been to a flying school in Texas. Many of his fellow pupils were killed as the planes were unreliable and difficult to fly. I watched one go down in flames in a forest near my home on November 11, 1956, and the pilot was killed. It was an F-84G-31, serial no. 52-8296. I mounted my bike and rode to the crash site before any military personell had arrived, and picked up a couple of aluminium pieces. Strictly forbidden of course, but what did an eager young boy know back then? I still have those pieces. Many other Thunderjets ended like that in Norway. We had the impression that they were dumped upon us as members of NATO and had no other choice than receiving them.

Nice video on the Thunderjet (Thunder Hog to us maintenance guys, Ground Hog to the pilots). Only other comment is there was quite a few photos/videos of the F-84F Thunderstreak mixed in, pretty much a totally different aircraft. Was good to see both jets, as a Republic loving Maintenance guy, having worked the F-105G Thunderchief and the A-10 Thunderbolt II in my career.

@Flyingunz64D

Ай бұрын

Concur. I was going to comment on the F Thunderstreak footage being mixed in. My uncle was killed flying an F-84F from Turner AFB ,Ga

Interesting and informative video on a lesser known (to me) aircraft. The footage of the Gloster Meteor is actually showing the Gloster E. 28/39 flying in 1941. It preceded the Meteor but looks to have had a considerable influence on the design of the Thunderjet.

It's always sad when it's obvious that the narrator knows nothing about the subject. :(

@girthbloodstool339

20 күн бұрын

My bigger problem is the utterly cliche-soaked script. It's a cheese-fest all the way.

@tracycurtright2671

20 күн бұрын

I don't think it's narrated by a human

@Peasmouldia

7 күн бұрын

@@tracycurtright2671 Bots can do syntax, but they can't manage context. Obviously a translation bot, as evidenced by the "me" instead of Me in the Me 109.

5:18 “tandem landing gear layout” actually a tricycle.

@larrynile8770

14 күн бұрын

The quality of the script matches the quality of the narration. Both were done by robots🙃🙃.

Ignored the RF-84F that was flying with the ANG into the early 1970s.

That's not a Meteor, It's a Gloster Whittle.

@stevetheduck1425

Ай бұрын

Officially the E28/39, it's design registration ( design / contract E for experimental number 28 of year 1939 ), it was variously known as the 'Pioneer' and the 'Squirt' by the people who built and flew it. Model kits say Gloster E28/39, usually.

@53jed

Ай бұрын

@@stevetheduck1425 Same aeroplane and still not a Meteor.

@user-nu7kk4uw6k

16 күн бұрын

Frank Whittle's prewar jet.

@DavidBritton-nl1wv

5 күн бұрын

Yours is the comment I was looking for.

@oldgysgt

4 күн бұрын

It's a shame the fools who put these videos together apparently know little to nothing about aircraft identification, and don't seem to care to learn.

So where/when did the F-84 sweptwing version come in? Or was that a much different aircraft? My hometown airport in Ohio hosted n ANG squadron of thunderstreaks. They flew almost every weekend. I watched them many times growing up and visiting my great aunt's farm just a mile from the airport. Thanks in advance for any replies....

The F-84F, painted a sickly blue, usually played the MiG-15 in most B Movie Korean War Films....

@billgund4532

Ай бұрын

"The Hunters!" My dad flew F-86 's in the movie

@truthboomertruthbomber5125

Ай бұрын

@billgund… Great flying scenes! From the dogfighting scenes to the footage of the F86 mushing out as it flew along the river basin.

@billgund4532

Ай бұрын

@@truthboomertruthbomber5125 I think the scene you're referring to is an F-100 Super Sabre that tragically crashed and killed the pilot.

@truthboomertruthbomber5125

Ай бұрын

@@billgund4532 No, it was an F86. Mitchum's character had been shot down and the young hot shoe was flying along the river looking for him. He strafed some chicoms and then ejected to go save Mitchum's character.

@billgund4532

Ай бұрын

@@truthboomertruthbomber5125 now I remember. I do recall several movies that showed the F-100's infamous "Sabre Dance." My dad was an F-86 IP at Williams AFB and flew in some of the scenes.

Groundbreaking is perhaps not the best description?

@stevetheduck1425

Ай бұрын

Better than the Ryan Fireball, of course... ;-)

Total nightmare for everyone involved 🤣🤣 especially the guy in charge of finding appropriate footage. But loved the old Clark tugs

Very informative….and nice to have only subtle music in the background.

The wing design was outdated even by that of the Me262.

Hardly a nightmare, that's just more clickbait. After its teething problems were sorted it served well enough in combat. It then went on to become the base of a swept wing version of even higher performance.

It is commented that the Thunderbirds were equipped with the G model while showing them flying the F. No Go! 😑

Excellent. Thank You

To develop the straight wing Thunderjet into the swept wing F-84F Thunderstreak was quite an achievement and a very successful conversion as well.

In the ‘60’s SMU ROTC had one on display on the south side of Moody coliseum. As little kids we thought it really cool to climb all over it. PC eventually caused it to be removed.

Back in the 90's I saw one of these planes in bad shape out behind a Vocational School in Crossville TN. Have no idea what it was doing there or where it went. Hell, it may still be there.

The high losses of the F-84, like the high losses of the later Republic F-105, were due to their use as ground attack fighter bombers. The tactics for hitting ground targets were not any different than that used during WWII, with both planes essentially making shallow angle dive bombing runs on the targets. This forced the planes to have to fly through walls of steel flak from AAA, which by this time were increasingly lethal. It wasn't until the high losses of the Vietnam War, as well as the poor accuracy of this type of bombing that standoff methods of bombing and smart bombs were developed.

@user-bi3ox2qd8l

Ай бұрын

P63 was actually the first jet fighter it was built by bell aircraft

Oh dear...Talking about the twin-engined Gloster Meteor you displayed photos of the prototype Gloster E28/39 ( first British jey with a single Whittle turbojet.

It was not first American jet, the P-80 was

@briancavanagh7048

Ай бұрын

America’s first jet was the Bell P-59 Airacomet. Intended as a fighter but half the order was cancelled and the remainder were used as trainers due to poor performance.

@paulholmes672

Ай бұрын

Yes, the P-80 was the first US production jet, but as a fighter, it was a GREAT trainer. The P-84 was the fist production jet fighter bomber, emphasis on the bomber part. As alluded to in the video, it was always conceived as an evolutionary replacement of another Republic fighter bomber, the P-47. The first pure fighter, of course, was the P-51's successor, the North American P(F)-86

@massmike11

Ай бұрын

You are exactly right, both of you.

@WALTERBROADDUS

Ай бұрын

He didn't say it was the first jet.

@gort8203

Ай бұрын

@@paulholmes672 You are confusing design purpose with later operational use, among other things. The P-80 was the first USAAF operational jet fighter, not the F-86. They were both designed as "pure" fighters, not that I agree with your use of that term. The P-47 was a high altitude fighter, not a fighter bomber. Like almost all WWII fighters it also operated in the ground attack role, but it was designed for air- to-air, not air-to-ground. The F-84 was designed as Republic's first jet fighter to succeed the P-47, and of course it was used also used as fighter-bomber in the same way the P-47 was, along with the P=51, F-80, and almost every other jet fighter the USAF flew.

That is NOT a Gloster Meteor, that is footage of the Gloster E. 28/39 research plane, & only the 2nd pure-jet aircraft to fly. Very sloppy research & editing. I gave up on this vid, after that.

@WildPixels-ie8qo

Ай бұрын

Waiting on your video editing and research video. Better to enjoy the video than complaint about everything

I like the Information but the narration needs work. Mispronouncing common words, showing one aircraft while talking about another. This is amateur stuff. I want my aviation history to be better.

No mention of the fact that the J35 engine was a direct descendant of the British Whittle J33.

Finally, a video that explains how a jet engine works.

Some interesting footage there. Pity a lot of it was mismatched to the voiceover, and often totally unrelated to the topic at all. Especially the Gloster E28/39 experimental jet footage when talking about the Gloster Meteor. And repeated shots of swept wing aircraft when talking about the straight-winged Thunderjet. Not exactly a quality channel, I suspect.

@jaws848

22 күн бұрын

Agreed

Good old films of the aircraft. Very poor descriptions .

Good Video But The Narration Is Lacking.

You showed the Gloster Whittle, not the Gloster Meteor which was a totally different design.

Quote: “Nobody had yet engineered a safe, reliable and battle ready jet.” LOL. The Me 262 was operational years before. What’s the guy talking about?

A surprisingly low 8 MiG-15 kills, against losses of 305 Thunderjets, with 249 of those losses from combat missions and 56 non-combat losses.

Cool aircraft

Republic finally got it together with the F-105.

I thght the P-80 Shooting Star was america's first true jet fighter??? (other than clumbering the Bell-59)

@bobbyb.1743

8 күн бұрын

It was👍🏻

F-84, the original lead sled

i flew into a field in Turkey one time , on a C-130, there were about 50 of these sitting around in disrepair.

I actually have an original Allison J35 factory training manual from 1950.

The narration sounded like it was written by Republic Aviation's PR department.

Be great if you showed the British aircraft that actually was the twin engined jet Meteor.

One of my A&P Instructors in the '80's had been Air Force in the '50's and he referred to this aircraft as "The F-84 Blunderjet by Repulsive Aviation."

@MichaelPelestano-it4ym

Ай бұрын

My pops was 43rd flightline laredo afb 59-63 learning on these he said pain in the ass till u understand its beauty lol most pilots never got along with flightline mechanics

@paulfrantizek102

Ай бұрын

I read a joke from Cold War era aviation "If the USAF built a runway stretching from New York to Los Angeles, Republic would immediately design an aircraft that needed every inch of it to take off".

@Ruckweiler73

Ай бұрын

@@paulfrantizek102 Maybe that's why my Instructor called them "Repulsive Aviation. Chance Vought built a great aircraft in the F4U Corsair but their reputation suffered with the F7U Cutlass which was referred to in the fleet as the "Gutless Cutlass."

Thunderscreech was a plane that shouldn't have been conceived.

Good thing it had support struuuts

At 6:30 , the announcer is talking about the GE J-35 , while the clip shows them wheeling out a Jumo 004B ( note the size of the engine , the exhaust nozzle , and the pod shape of the cowling ). Whoever did the research for the videos should be spanked with a DVD .

@WildPixels-ie8qo

Ай бұрын

Maybe there wasn’t a video that show the J-35 as the Juno 004B. Use your imagination! Think outside of the box. Others ir stop complaining or make your on videos and research and delight us with your knowledge

@user-pb7ig4sv2l

Ай бұрын

😂😂

At 12:16 , the announcer misidentifies a formation of MiG-17s as MiG-15s.

Too much lingo which sounds like talk from a used car salesman. The facts are interesting enough.

They made pretty good Target drones

That.... is not the Gloster Meteor...

It`s really just a streaked out P47M with a jet engine.

@user-pb7ig4sv2l

Ай бұрын

Or an aerocobra with the really cool gun removed

Although by todays jets these are about gone and we may have a few on hand today nonetheless this was a good jet fighter.

Very cliched narrative. All very well back in the 1950s but a more analytical approach would be more appropriate in this day and age.

@amerk84

3 күн бұрын

No way this narrative was from the 1950’s. At one point he used the phrase “flip the script.”

JET FIGHTERS!!!!!!

That's NOT a Gloster Meteor you are showing!

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

I was sceptical when it was claimed the F-87 Saber was contemorary to the 'First Jets the Thunderjet & the Shooting Star' By 4.17 with a Gloster E 28 / 39 appered as 'the Gloster METEOR' I just gave up watching and wrote this before checking out. Subscribe? I don't think so thanks

Um no one had worked out a jet? 262 pilots might beg to differ and better weapons too. Just let down by engines

If you are going to talk about a Meteor, then show one.

@WildPixels-ie8qo

Ай бұрын

Waiting on your channel and research videos!

Gloster E28/39 not Meteor.

Sloppy, Not a Meteor.

Nope

poor editing but far from the worst I've seen.