This is a very detailed approach and extremely enlightening. It is a wonderful discussion regarding Islam and Shia and Sunni sects. He has questioned most scared elements in Shia sect.He is a very courageous and intelligent person.

Abdolkarim Soroush is a renowned thinker and we're delighted to have him share with us his knowledge.

Excellent. Bravo

very informative as usuall

Nice and wonderful insight

When prophet Muhammed died, some followers were preparing burial ceremony, some others were arguing, fighting about who is going to lead the muslim community ? Since then, division started among muslims ...

@SahnouneKhaled

5 жыл бұрын

have you been with them 14 century ago to be so sure about your accusations

@mreza84

5 жыл бұрын

Sahnoune Khaled@ No, he had not, nobody has, but the history says so, according to that and other facts we make our statement, and if we start to think as you are saying, then we cannot believe anything at all!

The only part discussed is Shia is Ithna Ashria branch there other historical branches but one of most important one is Zaydi Shia

what are you talking about?

In holy Quran it's mentioned clearly that people who are involved in homosexuality committing great sin and God may not forgive. Similar if not exact command is also in Christianity and Judaism. But Soroush says it's not to be condemned ! Is he after reforming the holy Quran too !?

@zadramm1

8 жыл бұрын

Amir Sepasi «وَلُوطًا إِذْ قَالَ لِقَوْمِهِ إِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ الْفَاحِشَةَ مَا سَبَقَكُم بِهَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ مِّنَ الْعَالَمِینَ ... إِنَّا مُنزِلُونَ عَلَى أَهْلِ هَذِهِ الْقَرْیَةِ رِجْزًا مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ بِمَا كَانُوا یَفْسُقُون» (العنکبوت، 28 تا 34) ترجمه: و [یاد كن] لوط را هنگامى كه به قوم خود گفت‏شما به كارى زشت مى‏پردازید كه هیچ یک از مردم زمین در آن [كار] بر شما پیشى نگرفته است ... ما بر مردم این شهر به [سزاى] فسقى كه مى‏كردند عذابى از آسمان فرو خواهیم فرستاد. there are so many other verses in Quran say so. do you believe in Quran? I doubt if you did believed in Quran then you would not have asked that stupid question. lets forget Islam and Quran give a reasonable answer for homosexuality and please do not come with stupid premises that oh science has proven . people born gay, NO ONE BORN GAY!

@AmirSepasi

8 жыл бұрын

Thanx. I forgot.

قال تعالى (وَإِنْ تَتَّبِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَنْ فِي الأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَنْ سَبِيلِ اللهِ) This minority debate just confirms the Aya above, that majority is not always right. Minority ,minority minority what is this we are not talking about a person with a psychological complex or disease, we are talking about a nation, along the 1400 years, were they that organized and planned to succeed in creating this section of islam, if it is tru then they are worth seriously understood.

@SahnouneKhaled

5 жыл бұрын

shia religion is full of contradiction and hussain is more important than god

Abdolkarim Soroush believes that the Holy Koran is not the word of God, but a book that came out of the imaginations of the Prophet of Islam and that the Prophet of Islam was subject to all humanly limitations in writing the Koran.

@Jasitus

5 ай бұрын

not true, read his books

Nasr

in shia religion The Almighty GOD ALLAH isnt the most important thing they talk about ali hussain and fatima more than allah its not true monotheism

@tufail1823

Жыл бұрын

True monotheism is when you talk about God more than anything. Okay

Where did Rumi ever claimed that he had received revelation? I think you are deeply mistaken about this.

his english is boring and somewhat suck. but i listens to alot of his persian lectures. but nor sunnis and nor Shias scholors accept his ideas

@alijafari1008

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, and when you get both Sunnis and Shia scholars rejecting him then you know he's talking the truth.

Imam Ali is equal to Prphet Mohamad pbbah is like Haroon to PRophet Mousa except prophet hood that Haroon had not ALi. The Habl al Mateen the Quraan and Ittra are non seperetabel. The Quraan is infalable. hence the Itraa is.

Not really !!! He is a neo-muatazila !!!! He believes that the quran is created !!! In his view that means quran created by god = creation of the prophet........ That leads to secularism thoughts

Ali Prophets are selected or chosen by God and successors are not appointed by the prophets. Mohammad (PBUH) being the final prophet definitely never assigned a new prophet. Not Ali or anyone else.Imam Ali never called himself as prophet nor claimed as the first caliph. Dr. Soroush has clearly explained this. Aron was Moses' brother and not a prophet even though Moses recommended him to be the one but God did not approve him. This analogy does not Apply to Mohammad and Ali (PBUT). Allah commands us to follow the prophets as Imam Ali did follow Mohammad as the first Sunni. Let us all be Muslims, Insha Allah. Thanks

@dalmar5567

7 жыл бұрын

I disagree about Aron. He was a Prophet

@Zarghaam12

7 жыл бұрын

I agree, Aaron in all three traditions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) is regarded as a prophet!

@Zarghaam12

7 жыл бұрын

Because we are discussing succession here, I present the following as to what Sheikh al-Shaukaani and Hafiz Jalaaludeen al-Suyuuti have to say about Ghadeer al-Khumm and this particular Quranic verse: Surah 5 (al-Maad'idah), verse 67. [JPEG images of relevant pages around for your perusal.] سُوۡرَةُ المَائدة ۞ يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا الرَّسُولُ بَلِّغۡ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيۡكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ‌ۖ وَإِن لَّمۡ تَفۡعَلۡ فَمَا بَلَّغۡتَ رِسَالَتَهُ ۥ‌ۚ وَاللَّهُ يَعۡصِمُكَ مِنَ النَّاسِ‌ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَہۡدِى الۡقَوۡمَ الۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٦٧) Surah Al-Maa'idah O Messenger! proclaim the (Message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His Mission: and Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For Allah guideth not those who reject Faith. (67) Commentary (tafseer): ad-Durr al-Manthuur by Jalaaluddeen as-Suyuuti الدُّر المَنثُور لجَلا ُالدّين السُيوطي جلد ٥، صفحة ٣٨٣ واخرج ابن ابي حاتم، وابن مردوية، وابن عساكر، عن ابي سعيد الخدري قال: نزلت هذه الآية ( ياأيها الرسول بلغ ما أنزل إليك من ربك ) على رسمل الله (ص) يوم غديرخم، في علي بن أبي طالب وأخرج ابن مردويه، عن ابن مسعود قال: كنا نقرأ على عهد رسمل الله ( ياأيها الرسول بلغ ما أنزل إليك من ربك) إن عليا مولى المؤمنين( وإن كنتم لم تفعل فما بلغت الرسالته والله يعصمك من الناس) Commentary (tafseer): Tafseer al-Qadeer by ash-Shaukaani تفسير القدير اللشوكاني صفحة ٣٨٤ واخرج ابن ابي حاتم، وابن مردوية، وابن عساكر، عن ابي سعيد الخدري قال: نزلت هذه الآية ( ياأيها الرسول بلغ ما أنزل إليك من ربك ) على رسمل الله (ص) يوم غديرخم، في علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه. وأخرج ابن مردويه، عن ابن مسعود قال: كنا نقرأ على عهد رسمل الله '' ياأيها الرسول بلغ ما أنزل إليك من ربك إن عليا مولى المؤمنين وإن كنتم لم تفعل فما بلغت الرسالته والله يعصمك من الناس '' Tafseer al-Qadeer of al-Shaukaani, page 384 AND ad-Durr al-Manthuur by Jalaaluddeen as-Suyuuti, both Sunni mufassireen, give virtually the same commentary (only slightly different arrangement) in which they both refer to Ibn Abi Haatim, Ibn Mardawiyah, Ibn 'Asaakir, Sa'eed al-Khudrii. Additionally, they both refer back to Abdullah Ibn Mas'uud (referred to as Ibn Mas'uud by them) and how according to him was this verse read during the time of the Prophet). Commentary translation follows: [[ Ibn Abi Haatim took from Ibn Mardawiyah from Ibn Asaakir from Abi Sa'eed al-Khudrii, he said: This verse ((O Messenger! proclaim the (Message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord)) was revealed to the Prophet on the Day of Ghadeer, for Ali bin Abi Taaalib (radhiallah 'anho). And Ibn Mardawiyah from Ibn Mas'uud, he said: We used to recite during the time of the Prophet: “ O Messenger! proclaim the (Message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord that Ali is the 'mawlaa' of the believers. If thou didst not thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His Mission: and Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief).” ]] For this very reason the verse is referred to as “aayat-ul-ghadeer” and not just the Shia but also Sunni scholars recognize it so. It is said that Ahmed ibn Hanbal used it to include Imam Ali as the fourth member in the list of "khulafaa ar-raashiduun" which until his time comprised only the first chronological three. Up until then Imam Ali was excluded from the list and even ritually cursed from the pulpit - a practice started by Mu'awiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan who instituted the ritual cursing of Imam Ali after every Friday prayers. This lasted ~ 70-80 years. Given the generation time then, we are talking about 3 generations of Muslims growing under this ritualized cursing of Imam Ali by the government in power! It should be noted that Abdullah ibn Mas'uud was the one person the Prophet always named to a new comer if he wanted to learn how to properly read the Quran. Also, ibn Mas'uud refused to recognize “Mushaf al-Uthmaani”, which is more or less the Quran we have now. Furthermore, he refused to hand over his Quran collection to the so-called “Quran collection committee” formed by Utmaan and headed by Zaid ibn Thaabit, a member of the party that attacked the house of Hz. Faatimah, under the leadership of Umar ibn al-Khattaab. If you want evidence then it shall be provided for all this - all from SUNNI sources! As a consequence Ibn Mas'uud was beaten badly and died of his injuries soon after. His Quran collection though survived him by a few centuries and was in circulation both in Madina (limited circulation but available then) and in Kufa where it was used primarily for long. Ibn Nadeem al-Baghdaadi, the 10th century bibliographer and bookseller, mentions it in great detail. BTW, he also mentions seeing the Quran collected by Imam Ali - one of the first persons to do so - which had a very different arrangement to the present versions. Imam Ali's Quran (which he had presented to the public early on during the rule of Abu Bakr but withdrew, as many sahaabah objected to the unfavourable light they were seen at in its annotations) was in a chronological order. Surah al-'Aalq, surah 96 of the current Quran, was the first chapter in his version. Yes, Imam Ali never claimed to be a prophet - ridiculous suggestion in the first place - but his criticism of the chronological first caliph (chosen by Banu Aslam at Saqeefah banu Saa'idah , who came from outside Madina and detested the pro-Imam Ali Ansaar, the native inhabitants of the city) is apparent in his his sermons. Reference available. He also criticized Umar, who was uncouth in many ways, including attacking the house of lady Faatimah (Sunni reference available). He also did not mince words about the tyranny of Uthman. (Reference available) BTW, the first two chronological caliphs according to reliable Sunni sources were illiterates who either never read the Quran (evidence available) or failed to understand what was meant if they tried reading it or t others asked them (evidence available).

Warrior khan. Now you are even talking about Shia... I draw a formula for you. It's very easy to spot a Panjshiri...! Lol a panjshiri is against Shia, against Pashtun, against even shamaliwar. Deluded people who lost every thing and now are annoying.. I understand how painful you suffer !

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who said he did? revelation does not necessary mean god spoke to him.

shia is truth parth i am Sunni but after reading and do research i came to find my way out of Sunni how can I accept to follow the ones who didn't attend the porpert burial

@mohammadasyarimohamedakhir1082

6 жыл бұрын

Lucky Egal Your research is incomplete...

@maryammuslimah7660

5 жыл бұрын

hhjhhhhhh taqiyya

@zillahusnain3595

Жыл бұрын

Nonsense you are a fantastic.

30 years ago i listened and watched to Mr. Sorosh traslations of Rumi poets from persian to english on Iranian TV. I must say his english was better, faster and with a little persian accent. Now he is slower and the tone of his voice is alwayes same which makes it hard to follow his remarks and ideas ....

@alijafari1008

3 жыл бұрын

If you listen to his Persian talks from the recent years, he talks in the same slow manner even though he is very comfortable with the language. That's just how he talks, and to be honest it helps me follow on better with what he says. I guess my mind just works slower xD

if you are telling the true that it is your first ever lecture about shiaism, then you are a honest person, because I can tell listening to your lecture, that there is no consistency what so ever, and you are not sure about the terms, you are using, or I don't know may be you are asked to say these staff, because there is no validity of what you are saying,

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there is no consistency in your lecture once you say that shia religion believes that Imam has the same value as Prophet, and later on in your lecture you say that Imam are there so that people could find prophet through them, well first of all there are absolute distinctions between prophet and Imam in the shiaism religion, prophet is the one who brings new sharia, and prophet is refered as (Natiq) and imam as the (Hazas) and the duty of Hazas is to explain the revalation of prophet,

Mr soroush it would be prudent if you first improve your English and then come ready before you talk. That is important, you are talking in first 5-10 minutes which is nothing to do with the topic of your discussion ! You are wasting time !

38:45 he says: there are a lot of things in Shiism that are neither in holy Quran nor in saying of prophet Mohammad PBUH. Ok that is interesting ! Today we face so many issues in modern life, such as cloning , DNA, organs transplant, law of adoption and so and so. Are these issues mentioned in Quran or saying of prophet Mohammad PBUH !?? Now soroush is heading towards Wahhabism which is the literature translation of Islamic teachings. Islam was revealed in 1400 years ago and now we have modern issues imams are there to guide us toward these contemporary issues. Indeed their guidance were right hence is credible and valid.

@aqkhan8658

10 жыл бұрын

IN MATTERS OF RELIGION, Shiism has brought things that has nothing to do with Islam.

@zadramm1

9 жыл бұрын

for example? ISIS brought a lot to Islam.. lol Abu bakr and Umar brought cooking and eating in Islam.. and ISIS, Al Qaeeda and other terrorists are products of Mr Omar and Sir Abubakr. lol forget about poor Usman, who was kicked by his own men... the reminder of those three fella are all these 90% Suni Muslim, whom are bad name for humanity..

@aqkhan8658

9 жыл бұрын

Just because they label themselves Muslims doesn't mean they are.You compare one's actions with the actions according to sunnah. Say what you wanna say. It is your scroll of deeds, so fill it whatever you wish.

@alisyedzain1

8 жыл бұрын

+zadran zadrani Here you proved yourself as non follower of Quoran. Quoran commands. Do not use bad words or curse any one. Period. You are also alleging some thing very indecent.

Soroush is derailed from the true Islam. Even what he says is not what our Sunni brothers would believe. He is kicked out of Iran because of his false believe and perception about Islam as whole let alone Shia ! Why Shia reform and not Sonnah? He has no place in Shia world, that is why he resorts to condemning Shia so some Soni brothers and sister sympathise with him ! If really Shia is to be reformed is that the way you have to express it in Berkly University? Or sat with some Shia scholars in Iraq or Lebanon if not Iran. So no one buy your believe and better you call your self a failed person exactly like others who were kicked out Iran.

@estilo4276

5 жыл бұрын

Brother, look into some sunny scholar such Sheikh Bayyah, Abdul Hakim Murad, Hamza Yusuf who is still alive now, what to they said about reviving Islamic law. You go speak directly to him at least to challenge your knowledge and understanding.

@zillahusnain3595

Жыл бұрын

Why are you obsessed. He is a great religious thinker.

@zillahusnain3595

Жыл бұрын

You are prejudiced against Dr Abodul Karim Soroush for rejecting the belief of Imamate e mansoos. Now you are spreading rumors against him.

sheisim is full of nonsense.

The issue cursing prophet companions is not the stand of Shia ! If we talk the stand of Shia then we listen to what Ayatollah khamenai, ayatollah Al Sistani and ayatollah Fadlullah of Lebanon say. Not a Pakistani oe afghani or irani and the rest of them. A Shia can be idiot as yourself that is nothing to do with Shia ! A Shia can convert to Christianity and one do blasphemy that dose not mean there is problem with Shia, as all other islamic sect do have these kind of ignorant and empty mind people in Shia we have a big and famous one Mr Soroush himself !

@najma4684

Жыл бұрын

Who is he??....

@zillahusnain3595

Жыл бұрын

Half of Iran has left Islam . what does it mean?

??!!! what are you talking about? are you ok?

Yes sunism brought a lot to Islam . Let me tell you what they brought: terrorism , cutting the nose of a girl if she go to school, JIhad ul Nikah. ( you can have sex even with married women) this is the fatwa of Sunni clergy in Syria . Search on internet. Cutting the head of men, destroying the grave. Some one who died 100s years ago. Also look the counties ran by Sunni , Sudan, Somalia Saudi Arabia Qatar Afghanistan Pakistan hahaha iran is ran by Shia powerful, no puppet of USA , independent and say what they thing is right to say! Saudi and other countries whom are Sunni are the slave of USA

@tameraltaher8564

6 жыл бұрын

iran is run by incest practicing shia,descended from zoroastrian incest practices such as the fatwa of khomeini,as this guy say you are good at distorting history but a useless weak minority through history

@abdiqanimahat3557

6 жыл бұрын

Jewish hasbaRat.

@zillahusnain3595

Жыл бұрын

You are a fantastic, and we need not engage with you.

Lier I am from pakistan and shia muslim we never cursed companions the way you said

@SahnouneKhaled

5 жыл бұрын

i hear them with my ears i read their book they are full of cursing and haterd upon the prophete wives and companions

@zillahusnain3595

Жыл бұрын

Me too from Pakistan rather your are lair

@zillahusnain3595

4 ай бұрын

Instead you are lair . am from Pakistan , how you deny the practice of cursing of Sahaba in Pakistan .

Hahaha... Stay out of my way you Wahabi and Zionist... I know you are spreading division among Muslim I am not responding to your game... Let me tell you some notes. Shia is winner not only in Middle East but also in the world. All Sunni are slave of US and Israel look what is happening in Gaza.. Is there any Sunna men who can stand up? The only voice condemn and threaten Israeli come from mouth of a Shia !? That is not a massage for you puppet of Zionist but for your master Zionist. You are Danny ridden by them... No deal with you, no you can go feed on some grass

@alihusain4187

10 жыл бұрын

shia say with their mouth what is not in their heart. yes shia shout slogans but very hollow empty ones. in their heart they are same as Jews and Zionists.in fact they work together to destroy Islam

@cyrusnoparast8692

9 жыл бұрын

mr zardani ,the shia people are following one person(Velayat Fagheeh) like sheeps,and have no thinking power.only create chaose and accusation. Read history Imam Hassan sold his royal right to Yazid for money,so Hossein had no right

@zadramm1

9 жыл бұрын

clearly you exhibited your stupidity! But let me i tell you something, that help ignorant and illiterates. some basic information. Shia are not following (Velayat Fagheeh) Shia are in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Bahrain, Pakistan Azarbayijan and many other countries. not necessary they accept Velayat Fagheeh, that is a political system fir for Iran only. because Iran has idiots like you, and Bighirat like you, so Velayat Fagheh should be there for you otherwise your sister will be too busy... as you now Know in Iran how are women....

@tahaghassemi2381

6 жыл бұрын

"Shia is winner not only in Middle East but also in the world. All Sunni are slave of US and Israel" That makes it seem like US and Israel are winners in the world. Shias have done little to nothing with regards to Israel, all while predicting its collapse since Iran's 1979 revolution. Sure, Hezbollah might throw some rockets at it (like Hamas), but Israel is at least as strong as it was in 1979 and much stronger than in 1949.

Have you read Rumi at all? Rumi claimed again and again that he received wahy. So did Ibn Arabi. The Sufis have been saying for hundreds of years that they receive revelation from God - DIRECTLY. If they can say this without breaking Khatim an nabiyyin, then it is absolutely silly for Soroush to claim that Shi'is break Khatim an nabiyyin because of their Imams. I am shocked that Soroush would say something and ridiculous as this. Has he forsaken knowledge?

@Unpopular-channel

5 ай бұрын

Vahy came to bee as well. You must understand the meaning and extend of vahy . Vahy alao came to mother of moses to put your son in the nile but she wasn’t a prophet.