You can just see the natural teachings passed along from Jesus right down the line to Paul and then to the Apostolic Fathers. It’s beautiful. Also, it’s amazing how he says “our God Jesus Christ.”

@wolfthequarrelsome504

Жыл бұрын

Jesus never taught Paul. Paul was not one of the 12 apostles. Peter was one of the 12 apostles taught by Jesus directly and who taught Ignatius as his bishop in Antioch for 7 years.

@kellyprell3206

3 ай бұрын

Paul received his revelation from Jesus Christ. the apostles agreed with him.

@ralphowen3367

Ай бұрын

Also that Jesus raised himself up, and then 10 minutes more or less later it says the Father raised him. This is confirmation that Jesus is that one Father of all eternity.

@ralphowen3367

Ай бұрын

​@@wolfthequarrelsome504Paul came behind as an apostle in no spiritual gift.

It’s sad how these amazing sermons of the spiritual son of Apostle John have only 15k views after 6 years... They are loaded with spiritual diamonds, not just gold or silver nuggets but spiritual diamonds. So sad the church doesn’t care enough to hear a sermon from a man who is at the very roots of our faith. And when I say OUR faith I mean all of our faiths, totally non-denominational. This is at the root of all of our faiths, and should be deeply appreciated by every christian reguardless of their denomination. Amen

@MJS2376

Жыл бұрын

Eastern Orthodox have not lost these.

@papitoredmusic1

3 ай бұрын

Roman Catholic Apostolic Church has held the church fathers close, always.

Every protestant needs to hear this.

Love one another as I have loved you,by this all will know you are my disciples!

@Az-oh1ht

6 жыл бұрын

Wiley Fox there is the key

@ralphowen3367

Жыл бұрын

Yes, this is the new commandment of I Jn.

Hey guys, protestant here lol. I have been reading your comments on here and that you have been wondering where the protestants were at so... I just read Ignatious' letter to the Ephesians and I have to say... Wow! How did this not end up in the Canon...? It lifted my spirit and had strong gospel truth all over it. God bless you my Catholic brothers and sisters.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

Then why are you still protesting?

@JoshAlicea1229

4 жыл бұрын

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 Truthfully, because I have a relationship with my Pastor and friends at the church I'm at now. Our Pastor just lost his daughter to cancer at 34 yrs old, and to leave would be a major blow to him and our friendship. I like the Orthodox faith and tradition but I feel that the Lord has a work to do in loving people. I know that one day I will be at an Orthodox church somewhere. But for now I am fulfilling the law of Christ, (Galatians 6:2).

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

@@JoshAlicea1229 All Christians are required to seek God's truth. I respectfully suggest that its your salvation for all eternity that's in jeopardy, not that of your pastor who may still be living without full knowledge of the truth. The first three patriarchs were established by the popes of their time. However, the legitimacy of the Eastern church is recognized by the Vatican as they are in schism, not in apostasy. If you do decide to become a member of the Catholic or Orthodox Church that journey won't be easy for anyone in your circle. Chiefly, it won't be easy for you. The clock of life is ticking. If you know the truth, then nulle salus extra eclesiam applies to you. Don't wait to long. You can deny yourself but no one will deny God. Galatians 6:2 applies to members of the Catholic Church. If you know that you are in the wrong setting, I suggest that justice demands that you do the right thing.

@losweissproduction2367

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 What in the writtings of ignatius suggest the Roman Churches doctrine is right??? The word “catholic” used means universal. Nothing to do with the supremacy of the bishop of Rome, purgatory, and statues or icons used in worship?

@losweissproduction2367

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 not saying that Protestants are all correct, since there are many kinds of protestants. Im just saying what in his letters gave u that notion? Honest question

Bless our God Christ may every human be saved and not perish!

St Ignatius is a great saint. He is a Saint of all churches orthodox, catholic you name it. Stop breaking the flesh of jesus christ. It is one church

@ralphowen3367

Ай бұрын

Howbeit the Catholic Bible has different chapter verse divisions than the Protestant version.

Orthodox catechuman. Considering choosing ignatius as my namesake

As I was preparing to listen to this miraculously preserved writing (I'm not Catholic)... It struck me how unfortunate it is that there must be so much contention regarding these church fathers. Indeed maybe it is that merely because of the untranslated word as "Catholic" that "protestants" do not give any thought to these early guys. This seems to me ludicrous. It seems pretty clear to me that this man was a saint, that is born again of the Spirit. I cannot deny that the Catholic Church has been greatly used by The Lord and especially to preserve these great works. It is a blessing to have such a historical continuity. The last writing that I can personally accept as God's Word chronologically would be John's Revelation in the late 90s. But these early"church fathers" I would think would be enjoyed by all brothers/sisters in Christ that enjoy reading the thoughts of people from such a long time ago... and further more to hear that the same Spirit of the Lord is spoken through these words that are the same that we may hear from the lips of any brother today. Any differences that exists.. regarding Church authority.. I guess we all have our arguments.. but these things are not salvific arguments in my view.. if we can agree that Christ is Lord. "let there be nothing among you with the power to divide you" indeed. I see some of these comments below that seem to be frothing for division. Even Ignatius says here "I know ye are not puffed up because ye have Christ". Calm down. I am not hearing anything here that makes me think I should become a Catholic and revere the pope. This is just the great words of a great believer from a time when men were closer to the time when Christ walked than the time of today... It is beyond words what a treasure this is.

@christiankaiser4471

5 жыл бұрын

kelvyquayo agreed.

@patriciah3235

4 жыл бұрын

Ignatius was a disciple of Apostle John. Doesn't this commend him?

@7125Mhz

4 жыл бұрын

Who told you that Protestants do not read church fathers? It's not true.

@TheBelovedDisciple144

4 жыл бұрын

Amen! I consider my self SO fortunate to be able to hear a sermon from the man who was mentored under the Apostle John, who is for me, the most inspirational of Christ’s apostles.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

Do we revere the pope? The pope is a bishop and elected by his peers as first among equals. The bishops are the controllers and captains of church structure. Therefore to disregard the pope is to disregard the bishop whom we ought respect as "God himself" according to Ignatius.

We need to understand that our Protestant brothers haven't read much regarding Church history, how they worshipped, how Apostolic they were and the amount of evidence in archeology too. To deny this is to deny basic history. Blessed to live in the Mediterranean!

@TheBelovedDisciple144

4 жыл бұрын

I am a Protestant, and believe the Protestant reformation happened for good reason! But I am not foolish, I admire and cherish the wisdom of every man of God from every age who has strove to follow Christ with their whole heart, every denomination aside. We are all Christ followers at the end of the day.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheBelovedDisciple144 you may believe so according to you information, however, it wasn't necessary to divide Christianity and there have been many reformations before and afterwards.

@dieselcowboy777

3 жыл бұрын

Catholicism turned the truth to a lie and wrote history as a lie also

@dieselcowboy777

3 жыл бұрын

The liars at the nicene council were not apostolic fathers ....they were phony baloney

@Katholikos78

2 жыл бұрын

@@dieselcowboy777 false. For instance Katholikos (Catholic) was used, threefold ministry of Bishop, Priest, and Deacon, Eucharist, and intercession of Mary as Theotokos all occurred before Constantine was even born😂😂😂😂

Harmony of the person Jesus in the recount is fabulous ... Halleluia ...

Thanks for reading so clearly

"Even those things you do after the flesh are spiritual" This my favorite saying of Ignatius, for it affirms what John said about the born again being exempted from sinning--I Jn. 5:18.

It’s amazing how you have to really dig deep to find out about who interpreted the Old and New Testaments.

All commenters here: lean in hear what I have to say please: Ignatius lived long before the churchs divided in to all these denominations ok? So focus on his life and learn from it leave all divisions aside . The beloved most venerated, Holy martyr Ignatius . Read his epistles and martyrdom and you will fall in love with this father, I am literally in love , his words are always running the background of my mind! He knew God in a way that I don’t !!! Have you guys ever seen a picture of a lion eating an animal ??? It’s very scary , but Ignatius didn’t care because He had the love of the Lord in Him soooo much, his zeal! His humility! He sure stands like a pillar in the heart of all those that hear him, I read about him less than a year ago, never heard of this man all my life. Now, every time I read his letters to romans, I can’t stop crying ! O Ignatius ! Love you so much dear father may your prayer lead us in to the way of salvation. The enemy is trying to take the focus off Ignatius because the evil one knows that many would benefit from st. Ignatius life

@krishanuchatterjee1765

6 жыл бұрын

Servant of The Savior Why are asking Ignatius to pray for you? Hey man, JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, HE IS OUR MEDIATOR. Pray to Him. Not Ignatius.

@ReasonAboveEverything

5 жыл бұрын

I am sure Jesus would be greatly pleased if you consulted him directly.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

@@krishanuchatterjee1765 we don't ask Jesus to pray for us is one reason. With a saint praying for us and we ourselves praying for us... Now we have 2 praying for us. Simples.

@vindicatednews9169

4 жыл бұрын

This verse is not about asking those asleep in Christ to aid in asking God anything. 1 John 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

@petrasant5495

4 жыл бұрын

Krishanu Chatterjee, As Christians we can, and do pray for one another. Try it!

Though he we spiritually united with the Father ... Halleluia ..

The prophets point to the completion of what is in thestill Gospel ... Halleluia ..

Thank you.

Help me LORD!!! In sinking fast!! I keep breaking my fast again and now im eating just no food!! Please save me from myself!!!!🙏

@jcrosby6467

2 жыл бұрын

Drop self or anything you can do as there is nothing we can do or try, it is finished he said, he did all the works not us, and instead of asking him to help which implies we can do some of the work, ask him to do it as he is bigger than just help, drop self or our works and trust him, and see what happens he will do it he will do a work in you as opposed to us trying to do works to get to him, GOD BLESS YOU

Oh keep the flesh as the temple of.God ... the theology was so live in the early christian era ... Halleluia ...

He raised himself truly ... Halleluia ...

@selmir369

2 жыл бұрын

we are that ... no other God ......... we are that, all ...

Nice. Thanks lots.

FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE PERSON FOR PUTTING THIS ON KZread.❤. Just in my opinion, If this don't give you some Red Flags, to parallel the first apostles, there's a Red Flag that is been tampered with. Not to say that Ignatius didn't have an Apistle to the church or that he never existed. I'm saying what 1JOHN 4 says, :‭1 John 4:1 BSB‬ [1] Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Thank you for this beautiful book 📚 I like to find good catholic books in audio. God bless you 🙏✝️📿🕊️

@mrpeanut517

2 жыл бұрын

Ignatius of Antioch was not catholic.

@strita1540

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrpeanut517 you are very wrong. He was the first to use the term "Catholic Church," and for him the Catholic Church without the episcopacy is unthinkable. He said "wherever the bishop is there let the people be, as where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church." He also said "Respect the bishop as a type of God, and the presbyters as the council of God and the college of the Apostles. Apart from these there is not even the name of a Church.".

@mrpeanut517

2 жыл бұрын

@@strita1540 He did say these things. Church government is biblical. What is not biblical (and lacking the Spirit of Christ and Ignatius), is the idolatry, paganism, and the unholy exaltation of men who call themselves priests and bishops of God but in fact lead silly women to hell and prevent their way to Christ.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

Жыл бұрын

​@@mrpeanut517 we Catholics agree that all of those things are sinful. I get to hint that you learned about Catholicism from non Catholic sources. As such, you are being fooled.

@danvankouwenberg7234

Жыл бұрын

​@@mrpeanut517 listen again. Keep listening.

As a Mormon, the Early Christian Writings are fascinating!!

@Ceylin_Kurtbogan

6 жыл бұрын

Rhygenix hi, don't take this personally I am just curious and I would die if I don't ask lol. I am wondering why are you still a mormon after reading early apostolic fathers such as Ignatius since he was Apostle John's direct student according to many historical reports. He believes in Trinitarian perception of God and his beliefs are most closely aligned with the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches regarding Church Authority, Church claims and Sacraments. Wouldn't that make you wonder that the first Church is indeed Catholic? Ignatius was born in c. 35AD, we can all agree Jesus can protect his religion more than two years right? (He actually said his church will always be preserved but not the point)

@AveChristusRex

4 жыл бұрын

@Asaph Vapor All? The forgeries are admitted by all, as are the legitimate ones.

@AveChristusRex

4 жыл бұрын

@Asaph Vapor Besides, forgeries are trying to sound like the person they impersonate. You wouldn't write any doctrine people didn't believe Ignatius and the church believed. Just like the Protevangelium of James EXPLAINING the perpetual virginity of Mary, or pretending to give an account thereof, and not inventing something alien to the church, who always accepted this doctrine: "How shall this me, since I know not man?"

@AveChristusRex

4 жыл бұрын

@Asaph Vapor "Whether they are forgeries or not, no doctrines should be taken from them. " No one 'takes' doctrines from he Fathers, just as the first Christians didnt' 'take' doctrine from Scripture alone, as though only by writings the apostles taught the churches. The Fathers merely witness to the faith as experienced in their day. They don't have any authority in and of themselves except by their unanimous testimony. Let all matters be establieshed on the testimony of two or three witnesses - HOW ABOUT 2000 YEARS WORTH OF WITNESSES? Scripture doesn't contain the teaching, 'only true teaching comes from written Scripture.' Nowhere does it say that. In fact, it says, 'Hold fast to what is written and unwritten.' "If Catholics claim you can take some fallible writings as doctrines, some writings erroneously ask believers to sacrifice their children to idols, will Catholics follow too?" That would contradict the faith. Catholics only follow what was handed on from the apostles. You'll find no teaching about sacrificing children in the Fathers of the Church, nor in Scripture.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

@Asaph Vapor where in scripture does it say scripture alone?

Where are the Protestants? I expected them to be here since they are the ones asking “Where the Catholic name come from “? Probably they are busy slandering the church somewhere else

@Az-oh1ht

6 жыл бұрын

HERO EUGENE 3 I don’t care about Catholicism , but what u said about the Protestant is soooo funny lm*o ! Somethings I think they hate Catholics more than Muslims even . I heard a Protestant exorcist calling out evil spirits and one of the spirit names was “spirit of Roman Catholics” or something. And I couldn’t resist so asked him why he said that and he told me they worship mother Mary, so I told him , you know very well that they venerate her but not worship her and she doesn’t deserve veneration because she is the most sacred of all creations .... and that he was openly telling a lie

@gersonpinto8905

5 жыл бұрын

Hello a protestant If you not aware I dont recall himm calling a pope 😂

@krishyyfan5153

5 жыл бұрын

@ Gerson Pinto...LOL....St. Ignatius letter to the Romans.. "the Church which is beloved and enlightened by the will of Him that wills all things which are according to the love of Jesus Christ our God, which also presides in the place of the region of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honour, worthy of the highest happiness, worthy of praise, worthy of obtaining her every desire, worthy of being deemed holy, and which presides over love, is named from Christ, and from the Father, which I also salute in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father: to those who are united, both according to the flesh and spirit, to every one of His commandments; who are filled inseparably with the grace of God, and are purified from every strange taint, [I wish] abundance of happiness unblameably, in Jesus Christ our God." ----(St. Ignatius of Antioch letter to the Romans)

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

@Asaph Vapor well then... Most scriptural writings are forgeries also.

@dieselcowboy777

3 жыл бұрын

@Asaph Vapor plus the holy spirit spoke to 7 future churches in asia....not speaking to the church in Rome or not speaking to a catholic church

My family was Catholic on both sides.We quit going to church when I was around 6.Mu ch of my family is gone,now,and been attempting to study the word of God on my own.i run into this,what seems to me,making a scapegoat out of the Catholic church.It seems to me,ALL the churches are apostate,in these last days.I read the book The Holy War For Constantinople and the Catholic church and the Orthodox church were fighting side by side against the Ottomans.I hear many say,the Catholic church was the original church.I hear many say the Greek orthodox was.I have no idea.I have read The book of Enoch.Jubillees,The Shepard of Hermas,The Epistle of Barnabus,The epistle of Polycarp.I have read the books of the Apocrypha.I just have trouble remembering everything in those books.The books in the ApocryphaI was watching this video,when it said,something about holding the Bishop in the same regard or esteem as Christ,or something to that effect.Had to stop there and question that one.I have a KIng James bible,and a Strongs concordance.I`m also reading this book In Defence of Constantine.Seems there were many schisms in the church before Constantine became emperor.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

Nothing in particular pivots in Constantine.

@UniteAgainstEvil

Жыл бұрын

they are all apostate, but that doesn't excuse what the Catholics did over the past 1,500 years.. murders, torture, embezzling.. truly awful what they did... not even allowing people to read the Bible and yet pretending to be the only way to heaven!

@wolfthequarrelsome504

Жыл бұрын

Many heresies is right. Don't join them. Being you own "Christian" is one of them. Btw, the Catholic church didn't "fight" the Saracens. Some members did.

Right before the end of the chapter at 42 minutes and 1/2

Do you audio in cz language

Methinks that Lightfoot changed the scriptural word "communion" to the ecumenical word "eucharist". Many other of Ignatius' purported words were likely not his at all. An example is when Ignatius is purported to say how believers are to practice righteousness and imitate Christ. These are not in the Authorized Version.

1st Timothy 1:16 and Romans 11 chapter verse 13 and 14, Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles the church the body of Christ. 2nd Timothy 2:15.

28:51...

@losweissproduction2367

3 жыл бұрын

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37:47

Wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the "Catholic Church". Don't be ashamed In using the name "Catholic"! The Catholic Church is the universal church. That is the only thing I didn't like about this video.

@Armenius_Catholicus

8 жыл бұрын

Adrijan Talić It is true, but the video translates the word "Katholicos" too simply and temporally. The video disregards that St. Ignatius isn't merely describing the Church being universal, but is in fact recalling the official title of the Church: the Catholic Church - or according to the complete title of the Niscea-constantinoplean creed: the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. The word "Katholicos Ekklesia" that Saint Ignatius of Antioch articulated doesn't limit itself to an adjectatle purpose, but most importantly is the title of the one true church of Jesus Christ.

@Armenius_Catholicus

8 жыл бұрын

Adrijan Talić Would you clarify your question? What other churches are you regarding and what teaching do you mean? Thank you.

@Armenius_Catholicus

8 жыл бұрын

Adrijan Talić I agree with everything you have said. I did not know you were Catholic!

@Armenius_Catholicus

8 жыл бұрын

+Adrijan Talić Yes, I am. Armenian Catholic.

@Zechariah46

5 жыл бұрын

Վիգէն Ապասեան “Wherever Jesus Christ, is, there is the whole church” another word being “universal” remember this was written in greek, and therefore used different expressions. We can also say “the entire church” or even “the church worldwide”.

Thus far, Ignatius has said nothing about three Persons in God, for that was a later innovation by the fallen away ones, and after the scriptures of the true Christians had been destroyed by Emperor Diocletian.

There's no bishop that's considered as Lord to me. Jesus is the only mediator. There's no salvation outside of Jesus Christ.

Adrijan Tali, just search and study the Holy Scripture, of what is to be truly in the faith, and what really is the true church, Christ has established. The church is built upon prophets and apostles, Christ being the chief cornerstone. Every born again christian is the royal priesthood, witness, ambassadors for Christ. Can you tell me 100% that Catholicism is truth when , its dogmas go against the Holy Scriptures and the early christian teachers. Look, early church never built any costly buildings, rather the church meet in houses for fellowship. The apostle never mentioned Mary as co-redemptrix or co- mediatrix, in the epistles of Paul, even in the book of Acts but so many pervert this : Hail Mary is not a prayer, its a greeting. Even Mary herself said " I rejoice in God my savior . just look at the scripture in the simplest way, as God reveals it to you.. Godbless

did Ignatius mention the pope? or Mary? he keeps talking about Jesus...hmmm

@Ceylin_Kurtbogan

6 жыл бұрын

Vae07 he does mention the bishop of Rome and he makes a case for Catholic clergy system as well as talking about sacraments and believing the Real Presence of Christ in Eucharist, just like us Catholics. You really can't use Ignatius for your standings of faith. He was no where near a Protestant and every scholar knows that.

@Az-oh1ht

6 жыл бұрын

Vae07 he did say to respect bishops , what do you have against the sacrchurch d throne of God, The one the almighty God took His flesh from ???? Only the devil is against her because she reminds him of the incarnation of God , so every time I see someone get offended at hearing his name , I suggest they discern what spirit that’s coming from . As it was said “between the serpent and the woman, I would put enemyty “, and “between her sons and the sons of the devil”

@krishyyfan5153

5 жыл бұрын

ST. Ignaius of Antioch on the Eucharist... "Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the bishop and the priests, and break one Bread which is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ." -"Letter to the Ephesians"

@susanr3933

5 жыл бұрын

The pope is the bishop of Rome...This present pope is not going to last long. He is a liberal, and the faithful are very upset and praying daily that the Lord, who promised that the GATES of Hades will not PREVAIL AGAINST His Church, will take care of all the problems...Satan got in, but the HOLY spirit WILL take him out....HOLY spirit is the SANCTIFIER!!

@johnnysantos3997

4 жыл бұрын

Catholics borrowed a crap ton of traditions from pagan and christianity. Look at the mecca of the catholic church, the vatican, at all the pagan statues being replaced as peter and mary. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. Mary had no power only honor. Catholicsm is modern Mithraism.

Ignatius is not greater than Disciples of Jesus. Nobody knows who has written this epistles. So, dont believe such stuffs., which is not part of our written book of Gospel, like KJV

The catholics seem to claim ignatius as their own , no surprise as they claim all the Apostles and Jesus Christ. The truth is Ignatius is the opponentof Roman CCatholicism which was built upon the persecution of the Church of Christ , putting them to death , following the example of the Pharisees , who professed to know God but denied him in works.

@Ceylin_Kurtbogan

6 жыл бұрын

Literally the funniest thing I have ever read. Ignatius of Antioch is the first person tecorded that even called the Church Catholic, he also affirmed primacy of the Roman Bishop and knew it was due to Peter that, that seat had preeminence. He believed in clerical system and real presence of Jesus' flesh and blood in the Eucharistic bread. He said, whereever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. Next time, please read before you talk.

@catholicman9404

5 жыл бұрын

2000 years is nothing mate, Protestantism began in the XVI century any honest historical commentator, in fact when the Roman emperors persecute Christians, they knew exactly who to persecute. Read and don't write out of irrational passion.

@kelvyquayo

5 жыл бұрын

@@Ceylin_Kurtbogan Surely you understand that this man wasn't speaking English.. so Catholic Church as you are meaning it you should know this is not what he is saying with Ekkelisa Katalikos "All the Church". But to each their own. As far as the rest.. while I appreciate this mans words and sacrifice.. it is not authority.. I also do not recall him mentioning Peter being a pope, as you say.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

That's pure conjecture.

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

@@kelvyquayo I don't agree with that but at the end of the day the lessons from Ignatius of Antioch are reflected in the Catholic church today.

According to the Holy Scripture the church is an assembly of born-again believers, the body of Christ. You can find that in many passages. No prejudice but Catholicism is different with biblical Christianity. "And you shall know the Truth and the Truth will set you free". Written in many epistles, we are urge to contend for the "true faith", with humility and love, the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus, and any doctrine that does not inline with the bible needs FULL REJECTION!

@christopherpowell1950

14 күн бұрын

Catholicism IS biblical christianity.. that's why we get indoctrinated from an early age to hate them. I'm 32 and it took 31 years for my eyes to be opened

Ignatius wouldn't accept the current catholic church... its blatantly heretical. They pray to Mary for forgiveness of sins and commit other idolatrous heresies altogether. Ignatius used the word (catholic) in its truest meaning to the 7 churches he writes too in that they must persevere in faith and long suffering and in harmony and in one mind (this is where the word "catholic is used. He's just telling them to come together in unison and conformity to the mind of God through Christ Jesus. I'm not anti-catholic... I'm anti-roman-catholic because it is anti-christ.

@WrittenMagician

5 жыл бұрын

@@madeofstars6857 Yes, your right... I understand why in Roman Catholicism they pray to Mary considering she was the mother of Jesus; nonetheless, it doesn't make it biblical. In fact, it's quite damning and terribly disturbing for these reasons: 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." So, it makes void the word of God to pray through Mary who is clearly not the mediator between us [the living] and God the Father. Romans 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."

@krishyyfan5153

5 жыл бұрын

@Gannon Nickell ST. Ignatius of Antioch is not a protestant... He is a Catholic...In fact you see him describe the church as having a Bishop, deacon, priest... And in the Church , there is the sacrament of the Eucharist... "Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the BISHOP and the PRIESTS, and break one BREAD which is the MEDICINE of immortality and the ANTIDOTE against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ." ----ST. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Ephesians"

@Zechariah46

5 жыл бұрын

Krishyy Fan Saint Ignatius was no Catholic nor was he a Protestant, for he never called himself neither and the church at the time was not as the Catholic church today. The words “eklessia katolikos” can be translated as “the whole church”, “universal church”, “ entire church”, or even “the church worldwide”

@krishyyfan5153

5 жыл бұрын

@ Zechariah46 St. Ignatius is clearly a Cahtolic because he believes in the Sacrament of the Eucharist of bread and wine.. "and if you thus obey the bishop and the presbytery with an undivided mind, breaking one and the same bread, which is the medicine of immortality, and the antidote to prevent us from dying, but which causes that we should live for ever in Jesus Christ." ----(Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35 - c. 107): Letter to the Ephesians) ========================= How can you not even see the obvious?? 1) He believes in the Bishop and presbytery 2) He believes in Transubstantiation of Bread and the supernatural power of the Bread and wine of the Eucharist..

@Zechariah46

5 жыл бұрын

Krishyy Fan believing in those things do not make you a Catholic. many Christians believe in those two elements of Christianity yet they do not consider themselves Catholic. Like me for example. The eucharist is a much debated subject. I personally dont believe the bread and wine is the literal flesh and blood, but symbolic. I can say with certainty that the bread and wine is the flesh and blood of our saviour but still understand that it is symbolic.

You don’t. Have. To take. A Pause. For breath. After. Every. Word. Just some constructive criticism