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@BandaidShaman

Жыл бұрын

Hey- I think someone may be phishing with your name on this video. There’s been some messages to folks saying they won a prize with the caveat that shipping needs to paid (the shipping being $140 +). Pretty sure that’s not you, right?

@Evasivefiah

Жыл бұрын

@@BandaidShaman No it isnt. I got the same bullshit message - isnt the internet fun?

@johnwulff1876

Жыл бұрын

Isn't it ironic, that which the emperor wished to avoid; he unwittingly fulfilled. He was the catalyst to his own abduction.

The Emperor must have felt remorseful about destroying House Atreides with the wave of a hand; given the fact that he was fond of Leto and even shared his blood. I think that the scene where he's playing a boardgame with Irulan reflects that, because Shaddam looks conflicted and kind of sad. His bitterness and jealousy comes out when he tells Paul that his father was a weak man. Which of course, is a projection.

@BurningSpear213

Жыл бұрын

He did. In one of the early chapters of the book he feels pity for Leto and wishes that things could have been different between them, but the political fact that the Atreides had become so influential, in his mind, forced his hand.

@deez26788

Жыл бұрын

Yep he had wished that leto was his son

The emperor's motives are actually quite simple: It all comes down to Jessica's betrayal of the Sisterhood in bearing a son. The Emperor could not have a royal successor except through Bene Gensserit approved matches as outlined by the Bene Gessserit-Guild treaty. The Bene Gesserit in turn ensured that he had only daughters. Their plan, clearly, was to marry a Atredeis daughter to a Harkonen heir, ending that blood feud, and simultaneously producing a male Kwisatz Haderach. That male in turn could be married to Princess Irulan or a similar female Corrino placing the Bene Gesserit Controlled Kwisatz Haderach onto the throne. In that scenario, Shaddam IV has nothing to be envious of in Duke Leto as they both are left without male heirs to continue their own lines and without the political support that such assured succession could bring. But that scenario is not what happened. Jessica doesn't just accidentally bring about a Kwisatz Haderach a generation early and prevent a crossing back to the Harkonnen by bearing a son, she also elevates the political aspirations of Atredies destabilizing the political dance that had been intended. With a son and a male line inheritance, Atredies is able to contemplate building a military strength to rival even the Saurdukar... Without such an heir, they would not have tried for so bold a long term plan as military supremacy. (It takes many generations to build such strength... and thus many generations of assured leadership).

In Shaddam’s case, fear did turn out to be the mind-killer.

@brianstanton2721

Жыл бұрын

Lol big facts! Mentats like pider de frieze and Thufar H. Who can see the end game before it comes are like yeah you're in for a surprise emperor, prepare your butt for a spiked dildo 😅😅😂

I hope the movie features that classic scene where Shaddam gives Paul his father's watch.

@cleojohnson3528

Жыл бұрын

😂

@oleandersen2228

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@ugoeze7360

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure you’re misremembering it: it was a cowbell.

@thomriley1036

Жыл бұрын

@@ugoeze7360 Kanly will be decided by a game of Ping Pong. Or, as the Ixians call it "Ping Pong."

@chasjetty8729

Жыл бұрын

He had that watch hidden in his butt for three years before Charlie let him go.

The lack of male heir was the root of all of the other issues. If there had been a clear line of succession he would be less suspicious of Duke Leto's growing popularity.

@elizabethjansen2684

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and he never realized mohaim made sure he'd never father any more children after she had all those daughters.

His failure to kill Paul and Jessica was his major mistake He also could/should have double crossed house Harkonian(as there hunger for power will never be satisfied) by saying they attacked house Atradies without cause and had the Sarrdukar seize Arrakis for himself

@JB-1138

Жыл бұрын

You are right. However, that would be a much shorter book.

@ninshu6paths659

Жыл бұрын

The landsraad and the spacing guild would never let the emperor rule Arrakis.(too much power) so even the emperor had backstabbed the harkonnen, he would have been forced to give the fiefdom of Arrakis to another major house of the landsraad.

@vaeringjar1387

Жыл бұрын

It's made pretty clear in the book that running Arrakis is a pain for everyone involved. Paul criticizes the Guild for not being willing to take direct control of spice production, even though they're totally dependent on it. In fact, this is a recurring element of the book, with rulers being unwilling to get their hands dirty themselves and putting the responsibility on others. No one wants the responsibilities and hassles that come with power, just the benefits. That is, until Paul comes along and moves the Imperial throne to Arrakis.

@thestanleys3657

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough (I'm not a Dune expert I'm just spitballing a scenario)

@vaeringjar1387

Жыл бұрын

@@thestanleys3657 No worries - talking about Dune is fun. There are hints that Shaddam will leverage the destruction of the Atreides against the Harkonnens, and the Baron becomes more eager to put one of his own on the throne as a result. He's especially worried when he asks too many questions about Salusa Secundus in his conversation with Fenring, just before Feyd's gladiatorial fight, so what you're suggesting isn't impossible. He'd just have to be very careful about how he did it.

Landsraad is an old Scandinavian word for an assembly of landowners. It is still in use in Danish for annual conferences in different associations or political parties

@thomriley1036

Жыл бұрын

Wait a minute... Baron Vladimir is played by Swedish actor Stellan Skarsgård. Lady Jessica is played by Rebecca Furguson, whose mother used to translate songs for hit Swedish pop-group ABBA, a musical act that's named after a Swedish Fish-canning corporation... Leto II, utilizes an all-female Army called the Fish-speakers who are well-versed in the voice... and Stellan Skarsgård was also in The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, which and we all know is a symbol of the Honored Matres... AND, he's in Mamma Mia, the hit musical based on the songs of ABBA and set on a Greek island... Which as we all know is the Earth civilization from which the Atreides line hails... MAMMA MIA is a prequel to DUNE!

@pseudonymousbeing987

Жыл бұрын

​@@thomriley1036technically everything that happens in our world is canon to Dune. At least for another couple thousand years

@thomriley1036

Жыл бұрын

@@pseudonymousbeing987 This raises the paradoxical problem of Dune, the book series and at least 3 movies/miniseries also being canonical to Dune, which makes them prophetic in and of themselves. I just want to see The God Emperor grooving to Gimme Gimme Gimme (a Man After Midnight) as the themesong to Siaynoq.

No matter how advanced humans are or become when measured against what has come before. We will always fall for the basic human emotions and instincts. Jealousy is the most dangerous of them all.

Emperor of the known universe and still jealous of another man. 🤦🏿‍♂️ I will never understand some people sometimes. Another great video Cookies.

@stevechance150

Жыл бұрын

Jeff Bezos is obviously jealous of Elon Musk. It just goes to show, you can have EVERYTHING and still want more.

@pofruin

Жыл бұрын

One of the themes of the book is be warry of leaders. And one of the ways is showing that position of Emperor of the known universe is in no ways nice position to be in.

@ryansauchuk7290

Жыл бұрын

He’s jealous of Leto’s cowbell

Shaddam calling Leto weak sounds like he was projecting

Thanks, Elaine. . Envy is a deadly sin for a reason. ..his biggest mistake was coming to dune in person. His rule could have been preserved after losing that battle. ( he still had a huge military) . Come to think of it , he suffered from all seven except maybe gluttony. . ( unless we consider a hunger for power gluttony, rather than food ? )

@User_Un_Friendly

Жыл бұрын

Baron Harkonnen is Gluttony. Feyd is Wrath. The Emperor is Envy. Paul is Sloth (!) (he had a chance to take the Golden Path, left it to his son) Jessica is Pride (she believed her son was the Kwisatz Haderach) Rabban is Greed And Irulan is lust...she wanted Paul very badly. 😮😮😮

@shanenolan5625

Жыл бұрын

@@User_Un_Friendly yes . Although. Let take shaddam. Lust . His harem and slaves. Greed . His wealth and greed gor more . Wrath. Rebellions Envy . Fake leto . Slouth . His ministers and officials run the empire. He sits in court. Indulging his ( interests) Pride . I sm the emporer the ruler of humanity. Gluttony. More power over the lansrade , guild, choam, sisterhood. I don't disagree with your list.

I am starting to think it was "Not Enough Cowbells" He has been on record of needing more cowbells and I think that is the true reason. Seriously though, I think you're spot on with the analysis. Cheers!

@LukeBunyip

Жыл бұрын

There's always room for more. Both of cowbell, and Elaine's analysis...

@TheDugbo

Жыл бұрын

@@LukeBunyip True, but trust me, you're going to want that cowbell

I think it's worth pointing out that Leto could be sneaky and borderline corrupt as well. He made plans to seize the Emperor's bases on Arrakis, bribe the smugglers, and bomb Geidi Prime. Now that last one was legit, since they were at war after all. But it really shows what a canny and ballsy SOB Leto could be.

@MaximilienNoal

Жыл бұрын

The first two were out of desperation. He already felt as a dead man.

@fubaralakbar6800

Жыл бұрын

@@MaximilienNoal Not saying he was wrong, he certainly wasn't. Just saying he could get as down and dirty with the best of them.

@brotherjohnnyxXxX

Жыл бұрын

All the characters in Dune are morally complex.

“One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.” - Master Oogway

@glacialimpala

4 ай бұрын

Gandalf they grey does not approve of this message

I am missing one crucial element, even in the casting for the new roles in part 2: Count Hasimir Fenring. As closest adviser to the emperor, his role as supervisor on Arrakis, his marriage to the Bene Gesserit Margot and last but not least his intricate connection to Paul for being a failed Kwisatz Haderach should make him an important personality in the story of Dune, more even than the emperor. Shaddam succeeded relatively when Fenring was involved, failed miserably when not. Shaddam was blunt, Fenring way more subtile. Shaddam could only remain the powerful emperor of the known universe because he had such an excellent advisor. But we will see, maybe a big surprise in part 2

@delichonnl7744

Жыл бұрын

I am not a fan of the Dune books. Not seen the films. I have only read the the first three books and found them getting worse with every volume. The first I would rate a 7 on the scale of 1 to 10, the second (Messiah) a 5 and the third (Children) a 3. There are many repeats in the books, especially in book with the children. The end of that book is very unsatisfying with Leto covering himself with sandtrout becoming immortal and a god. The Count you mention is only present in the first book, and his wife wanted to preserve the Harkonnen genes (sleeping with the heir of the Baron). But they don’t show up the second and third book. I also expected to see more af them.

@kenaustinardenol1338

Жыл бұрын

@@delichonnl7744 Maybe I got a bit ahead of myself, because in the many books written Fenring becomes more and more important to the story, but indeed, not in the first 3 volumes, youre right about that. In the next 3 volumes God-Emperor, Heretics and Chapterhouse it the decision of Leto becomes clear. And if the movie franchise holds on, we see a lot more of Duncan Idaho

I think Shaddams jealousy is the prime factor I’m his downfall followed by his insecurity which led him to take actions to insure the sadakar were completely loyal to him which also caused them to become a bit soft. When not on campaign they got what they wanted in food woman houses. All of it led to him going to Arrakis were he was vulnerable, if he was not on Arrakis he might have recovered, the sadakar might have grown softer but they were still a tough fighting force that had the respect of the fremen.

Ultimately fear is what brought Shaddam low. Fear forced him into making several critical tactical mistakes. Fear forced him into weakening his greatest tactical asset, the Sardukar. Fear forced him to go to Arakis. The prayer "Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." Shaddam never faced his fear and brought him to his ultimate demise. Fear even brings Paul down in the later books. He fears the golden path and that fear ultimately claims his life. Lehto III faced that fear, started down the golden path, and saved humanity.

@pofruin

Жыл бұрын

I feel this is bit unfair. Me thinks Leto was born and molded to guide Humanity down the Golden Path. Ironically while he was released from the burden of choice he became most liberated wielders of Power in that story.

"Easy, guys.. I put my pants on just like the rest of you -- one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on, I rule the known universe."

@OdintheGermanShepherd

Жыл бұрын

“I got a fever…and the only prescription…is more cowbell”

I am surprised you saw the issue with the sardaukar. As a veteran myself I was able to pick up on it as I have read the books over time. Thanks for this look at the emperor I look forward to the next movie.

Ive been waiting more than a year for this video. Thank you Nerd Cookies!🫠🙃🍾🎉🎈✨️🧨🎊

@NerdCookies

Жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

@grahamjones5400

Жыл бұрын

@@NerdCookies I watched the video, it's good. If you see Dune, will you do an review?

Very excited to see Christopher Walken in Dune 2.

@theturquoisedream9244

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!!😊

@brianrunyon266

Жыл бұрын

Same. Will be interested to see how he interprets the character.

@theturquoisedream9244

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if he'll dance. He said in an interview once that he always dances in a scene of all his movies.

@busterjay64

Жыл бұрын

@@brianrunyon266 Paul " May thy knife chip and shatter" The Emperor " I haven't killed anyone since 1984"

@thomriley1036

Жыл бұрын

@@theturquoisedream9244 I have an insane theory that Mamma Mia is a prequel to Dune, so this checks out.

The more i learn about the bene gesserit, the more im starting to think they are one of the main villains of Dune

@mirceazaharia2094

10 ай бұрын

Not so much villains, as doing what must be done, in their own eyes, of course. A desire to control the parameters of one's environment in order to secure survival is not at all evil. It's not even evil to utterly destroy one's competitors. It's merely part of the dance of life and survival. The game of life is never pretty, moral or fair, but it must be played nevertheless. A lot of the characters, both likeable and unlikeable, in the DUNE universe, are villainous or eminently capable of or willing to engage in villainous actions. Just like real life. It's part of the beauty and charm of DUNE. It's one of the reasons why this series has always fascinated me. I feel privileged that this was the very first space sci fi that I have ever read.

@glacialimpala

4 ай бұрын

They would be, if they were corrupt. But they really seem to have been doing what's best for the Empire, for thousands of years

I totally enjoy your breakdown and character study of Dune. Thank you for introducing me to more information about a book I love.

@NerdCookies

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support Terry!

I really hope that in the second movie there is some real effort put forth to explain the Emperor's place in the story. It just hasnt been done well in any adaptation so far. My personal opinion of course. Very much enjoyed the first movie - excited for the second.

If you can't beat them, join them. Marry a daughter to Paul and cement an alliance with an up and coming House that may prove useful. Of course, that would be more viable before the whole Arrakis business. I doubt Leto would object to tying his house to the Emperor's. If only a male heir can sit on the throne and having a son with a secondary wife is not allowed, that's probably the Emperor's best option. Doing it the book's way may extend his personal rule for a little longer, but does not settle the problem of lack of male heir and line continuity.

As always your videos are very thorough and in depth, love it. Great video!

Having a Nerdy Day is the best kind. Thank you for these videos.

I'll be honest I still think Walken was a strange choice for the Emperor. Although he's a fantastic actor, just physically he seems pretty far off from (at least IMO) what he may have looked like according to the book. I mean, isn't he (the character) about 80 some years old at the start of Dune and spice is used to slow down the aging process?

@vaeringjar1387

Жыл бұрын

He's supposed to look "no more than 35," and have red hair. None of the three adaptations have followed that description. He's also described as usually wearing a Sardaukar uniform and helmet for public appearances.

@elizabethjansen2684

Жыл бұрын

True and vaeringar has another valid point. Especially since the attraides were known as the red dukes.

@o-wolf

Жыл бұрын

​@@vaeringjar1387if they went by the books the only person that would've made sense was Jared Leto.. dudes 50+ looking 30 &despite his recent unpopularity has the chops to pull it off &the previous with Denis.. however I've long thought Villeneuve is adjusting his adaptation &giving us an emperor thats HUNDREDS of years old rather than 80ish

@mirceazaharia2094

10 ай бұрын

​​@@o-wolf Spice, the privileged life of top nobility and a political animal's addiction to Imperial power will define Emperor Shaddam the Fourth, as played by Christopher Walken.

@o-wolf

10 ай бұрын

@@mirceazaharia2094 youre probably right

Thank you for the video Elaine, keep up the great work!

Thanks for making my day a little nerdy!

New video,instant like. Great video as always,to you and your team.

A most excellent and thorough analysis and explanation. Superb video.

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Great topic ! The man had everything but still envied Leto !!!

Another excellent video; Thank you Nerd Cookies.

We're viewing the first novel from Paul's point of view which heavily favors House Atredies. It was never confirmed or denied in the novels (as far as I know, I've only read Herbert's six and don't considered the others to be canon) if the Duke actually was planning to make a move against the emperor. If he was, the Emperor's decisions were not made out of jealousy and fear, but out of rational practicality.

@elizabethjansen2684

Жыл бұрын

So that's why he had fenreng assassinate his father and his older brother that should have been the next emperor? Go read the books again. He was insanely paranoid about holding on to the throne especially with no male heir.which the benefits gesserit made sure would never happen. They were grooming irulan for the throne.poor guy never knew mohair sterilized him after she had her daughters because they realized he was unstable.

@TheSuperhomosapien

Жыл бұрын

@@elizabethjansen2684 If you read history, that just sounds like normal medieval feudal politics. Paranoia is a survival skill at that political level. The Bene Geseritt wanted Irulan on the throne because then they would directly control the throne and were in a position to do it. They would have done the same thing if anyone else was on the throne. If honorable Leto Atredies was on the throne, they still would have conspired to take it if they had the opportunity. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't out to get you.

@elizabethjansen2684

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSuperhomosapien indeed

We always hear about the growing influence of Duke ledo. But as event's unfold no other House came to support the Duke they are even mentioned in the books. The other houses really play no part in the story at all

@dereklong801

Жыл бұрын

It was seen as part of the Harkonnen-Atreides feud. But, critically, all the Houses were in orbit above Arrakis during the battle of Arrakeen. And once Paul raised the Atreides flag, they stood down and did not intervene, allowing Paul and his Fremen to defeat the Emperor and dictate terms.

Christopher Walken will probably turn out to be a good choice, but I think Charles Dance would have been the best to play the emperor. Still, I am looking forward to part 2.

Great video, as always 👌.

These vids are amazing!

I hope the emperor gives Paul the "lion vs the jackals" motivational speech.

He should have arranged a hot war between Atreides and Harkonnen. Atreides would have won, eventually, but it would have cost them a lot of resources and manpower and given them a new world or worlds to have to focus on rebuilding. While Leto was busy with that he could have been just a bit kinder to his other nobles and built his own Atreides-like persona to secure his power. Maybe have the Sardukar eliminate the Benejeserit (sp).

@flinchsohn2912

Жыл бұрын

The problem was the lack of political support for it. Leto had bailed Shaddam out, which was one of the reasons the other great houses looked to him for leadership. It was a driving factor of jealousy, wherein Shaddam feared that Leto would try to usurp him. Despite being cousins, Leto didn't want to be Emperor, yet Shaddam was ultimately fearful of a man who could still very quickly gain support throughout the lansraad, and if he so chose, launch a successful coup. The fear was justified after Shaddam found himself almost entirely indebted to Leto, but couldn't fully chalk it up to Leto just living up to his title of Duke Leto the Just.

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@NerdCookies

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

It's a bit of simplification to say the emperor was envious. That's how the Baron and/or Piter understood his motives, but iirc some of the heading quotes somewhere make it clear that he had absolutely no choice about going after the Duke. The Duke's popularity meant no matter how loyal he was to the emperor, other people would have conspired against the throne in his name and would try to blackmail him into supporting their conspiracies. That's something that happens quite a lot in empires. Duke Leto is aware that Arrakis is a trap, but he hopes that his gambit with the Fremen will give him enough protection to keep the Emperor at bay long enough to maybe marry off Paul to Irulan and make the issue moot.

Walken gave more depth to the role in his limited screen time. You can feel his age and the weight of the throne causing him to make drastic and rash decisions. And his speech to Paul about “ruling from the heart” is dark foreshadowing.

The one thing that caused his downfall was the Sisterhood. They helped Paul come into being and crippled the Emperor at every turn. They hoped to control the universe through Paul but he came to soon and they were not ready and could not control him.

Very enlightning

This is a good business management video

There's just no way Christopher Walken is going to work as Shaddam. I'd have cast Chad Coleman.

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks so much :)

"The Emperor is a dangerous and jealous man.' - Baron Vladimir Harkonnen DUNE pt. 1

This was one where the remake didn’t butcher the source material and separates itself well from the 80s Lynch film. Thoroughly enjoyed it and can’t wait to see how it goes.

@elizabethjansen2684

Жыл бұрын

Didn't butcher it? Key points are utterly ignored and Keynes being a woman leader? In an Arab society really?! Tell me an Arab society even now that allows a woman complete control.

Though a small character, he is an important one. I maintain it should've been Madds Mikkelsen in the role, but I'm hopeful he'll do a great job.

@chrisbarrett8377

Жыл бұрын

Mads can't be in EVERY movie, the guy deserves a break!

@chadkoon

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisbarrett8377 😅😂🤣

Very nice.

most powerful man in "known" universe :P

I wonder if he will talk like his typical character usually talks you know lol

@JB-1138

Жыл бұрын

He's got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell.

@thomriley1036

Жыл бұрын

"To win the hand of my daughter, and the Lion Throne of the Landsraad, you must first defeat Feyd in a game of Ping Pong; or, as the Ixians say "Ping Pong."

Your voice is perfect for discussing this material. Your tone and intonation are both neutral and empathetic. Your coverage of the stories and characters are entertaining and well considered.

@Billy_Bob_Dan

Жыл бұрын

I find it the opposite, it's very monotone and remind me of an old weather announcer

The Emperor needed more cowbell. Plain and simple. Jokes aside, I can't wait to see the next installment!

I’m so excited for Dune 2

Popularity can be a dangerous thing if it offends the wrong people.

I need to read the books!!!

Giving Leto the control of the planet Dune was akin to Indian leaders gifting a white elephant to their enemies. It was a gift you couldn’t refuse because it was considered the highest honor, but it would break you at 5he same time

Do the Fish Speakers next

Do you think Leto had real aspirations for his house taking the throne?

In the film, spoiler alert 🚨 , Shaddam did explain to Paul his reasons for killing his father and attempt to kill house atreides boiled down to “He ruled with a heavy heart” and the other line “your father was a weak man”. I thought maybe Shaddam meant that Leto was too soft of a leader to rule and his death wasn’t due to jealousy as much. An interesting take I took from that final scene 🎬. This adds a bit more complexity to the emperor.

No, it's not envy, it's fear. He feared that Leto I would build an army as powerful, if not more powerful, than his Sardukar and rebel with the other houses against his imperial rule. Leto I was popular amongst the other houses, if he could show them that he had a greater military power, they may have joined him for a bigger cut of CHOAM amongst other asks. The events on Dune was the Emperor gardening his feudal state, maintaining his power and the balance of power; it was fear, not envy.

"Have a very nerdy day!" tee shirt?

Gosh ! almost sounded like you were talking about conditions on Earth and someone who lives today, but it's just a book.

One too many things to deal with made the situation unstable, and that is the fulcrum of the story.

@chrisbarrett8377

Жыл бұрын

Thats like saying "there was a beginning, middle and end and those are the things that make a story"

@marknovak6498

Жыл бұрын

@chrisbarrett8377 there are many ways a character can be stretched. Ibwas not talking about Dune. I was only talking about the Emporer. I only spoke of his delems. The story is far more nuanceed. In evert story the are characters with issues. We do not here much from the Emporer in Dune, he is a small peice of the story.

Fear is the Dynasty killer.

Cheers.

Envy and jealousy are not interchangeable terms. Though they are the same thing directed two different ways. Jealousy is the intense and evil desire of ones own substance. Envy is the intense and evil desire of another’s substance.

@NerdCookies

Жыл бұрын

I feel that the Emperor has both.

@donaldhiggins6167

Жыл бұрын

Chicken, I bet you are just a blast at parties. 😂

Always remember that shaddam was only allowed daughters so he had no male heir to pass his throne to .

best emperor they could get.

yummy vid.

WAIT WAIT WAIT..... looks up IMDB....ARE YOU SHITTING ME?!?! Christopher Walken... Mr. Watch in the ass, Emperor from balls of fury.... is playing the emperor Shaddam IV in Dune 2.... I can no longer take this movie seriously. I'm now expecting his costume and personality to be Ming from Flash Gordon! LMAO

Duke Leto is like the Ned stark of the dune universe where did honor and duty get him he should have gone rogue took his nucleurs and family and bounced haha

@elizabethjansen2684

Жыл бұрын

Hope blooms eternal besides that would leave caladane to the harkonen.

Plans within plans

For a moment I wasn't certain if you were talking about Emperor Shaddam IV or Vladimir Putin.

Walkin without rythem because like bettlejuice i to fear the worms.

I have never understood why the emperor wouldn't just take control of the spice world himself, if this resource is of such importance why would he allow another house to oversee it.

@tadhgconroy8631

Жыл бұрын

It’s part of the treaty between the 3 pillars of the empire, (the imperial house, the landsraad and the spacing guilds) In order to prevent any of the three from gaining absolute power.

It wasn't envy, It was fear that the Atredies and there backers in the landsrad would stall the emperor's plans and get in the way of his wealth increasing. He was a threatening voice in the landsrad.

@NerdCookies

Жыл бұрын

It was both

thought casting of Christopher Walken was a bit off, I mean we are talking about an Emperor that rules over an entire universe....but then rethinking, this was an Emperor is was very insecure despite being a cunning ruler. Otherwise he wouldn't have cared about the strength of the Atreides and if he was, would have destroyed them himself with just enough pretext, selling it as a preemptive strike on traitors who were trying to launch an rebellion against him or something.

@elizabethjansen2684

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Cunning? If it wasn't for fenreng he wouldn't even be on the throne. Fenreng was the real power. Shaddam didn't like exerting himself though he did have a taste for bloodlust

Dune is a classic and a prime example of human nature. Human beings are so predictable and humanity always makes the same mistakes over and over again.

@elizabethjansen2684

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Are you sure you're not Paul or Leto II?😉

it is usually better to embrace your enemy that he cant draw his sword... if he let irolan marry paul before the incidents on arrakis...

wasnt the duke kinda machiavellian?

My biggest issue with Dune as a whole is how long the corrino family was in power. Would have been better if the throne was swapping from house to house throughout the ages - a game of thrones situation. Would have made the atreides a more realistic threat.

@elizabethjansen2684

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Look at today's royal houses even though you hear about different names they are still related usually by marriage. An English princes married the tsar of Russia and the late king Phillip was German most don't realize Windsor was a German nobility they changed the name during WWII.

omg. Cristopher Walken is Shaddam? lol

Christopher Walkin embies no man

Doesn't the book make it very clear that the Emperor and Lieto are strikingly similar in appearance? They are actually closely related? I would have liked to see Oscar Issac return to play Emperor and dramatize this twist of the story. Nothing against Walken, mind you.

A dangerous, jealous Man.

Knowledge is power, and I think Emperor Shaddam lacked knowledge. That ignorance fed his insecurity and fear. Specifically, not understanding the spice nor the key ecological processes that derive it. Each time spice came up, another nail was driven into his coffin, because he never understood the real power he was facing.

@elizabethjansen2684

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And the fremen made sure of that

Is this channel narrated by a person or is it an AI voice reading a script?

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I'm reading book 2 and already dislike Paul and actually long for Shaddam Corrino. As some of the comments suggest, if he didn't come to the planet, he could have survived a bit longer.

Didn't Shaddam poison his father?

@kenglasson2920

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He had fenring do it.

@elizabethjansen2684

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Well he had fenreng do it and also his older brother first

So if the emperor wanted to keep power he could have married Irulan to Paul it would keep the Atreides at bay the Duke would feel eventually our family will rule well maybe. Since the great houses are ruled by fear of the Emperor and his forces you as the Emperor will see enemy around every corner or in Dune speak on every Heighliner. I postulate an ideal what if Shaddam was not played by Christopher Walken but by Jeff Goldblum think about it he can apply Chaos Theory to everything

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The emperor should have married his daughter to Paul from the get go. Trying to Destroy them was always foolish.. without male heir he never really had any other option but to give up the throne anyway.

@elizabethjansen2684

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I don't think he realized it. Mohaim certainly wasn't going to tell him she sterilized him. He must have done something to her personally. I mean look what she did to the baron.

@frenchsterr4708

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@@elizabethjansen2684 yea she did the Baron filthy! But he’d lucky she didn’t out right off him.

@elizabethjansen2684

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@@frenchsterr4708 lucky? That was epic revenge. He suffered far worse than if he'd died.