I gave up following the drama on the third day and said to myself - 'F*ck it, I'll let Cold Fusion summarise it for me once the dust settles'. Thank you Dagogo!!

@factsfornigga

5 ай бұрын

😂

@cyberpunk.386

5 ай бұрын

Same here actually!

@rohithjanardhan4970

5 ай бұрын

lol same

@abdelrahmangamal5875

5 ай бұрын

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

@RdGPaniago

5 ай бұрын

Same here! Spot on Dagogo...

''Open AI is nothing without its people'' is possibly the most ironic thing ive ever heard

@AlexanderTheGoodEnough

5 ай бұрын

it would be nothing if not for their efforts. maybe that would have been for the best. if every one involved found something else to do before ever starting this.

@robertholtz

5 ай бұрын

David Tierney’s comment stands on its own and it’s a brilliant profound take.

@twitchthoughts9063

5 ай бұрын

So much for AI needing humans.

@MAYNOR82

5 ай бұрын

DavidTierny’s level of foreshadowing is insane!

@JasonMomos

5 ай бұрын

Is David Tierny the secretive trillionaire lizard manchild?

I learned today that 747 out of 770 employees at OpenAI issued the ultimatum that got Sam Altman re-hired as the CEO. 97%. OMG!

You are one the most incredible KZread channels. Please continue the incredible work you and your team do!

This is probably the most mysterious corporate stories of all time. I hope the truth comes out soon.

@snakedoktor6020

5 ай бұрын

*story

@dark-o

5 ай бұрын

Created by OpenAI 😂

@Walexo45

5 ай бұрын

If you look OpenAI homepage, the first sentence you can find is : "Creating safe AGI that benefits all of humanity" I personnally believe that OpenAI found a pathway to AGI with whichever algos they're working on, and are basically at a point where it will be achieved sooner or later. The last thing they have to do is to make it safe for consumers. David Shapiro said back in March 2023 that AGI will be achieved in 18 months (Sept 2024), and it's probably the only good prediction for now.

@LuisSierra42

5 ай бұрын

Mark my words, we are beyond f*cked

@coconut7490

5 ай бұрын

@@Walexo45 If that's true then this could be the main reason why this whole drama happened, I don't see how the board wasn't aware of them developing an AGI if they were making one. I suppose that why they fired Sam and listed "not communicating to them" as the reason.

Honestly they should be clear on what happened. Hard to trust a company that's this secretive on sensitive topics

@Praisethesunson

5 ай бұрын

But mystery is perfect to maintain hype in a way that isn't legally actionable as lying

@AndersRosendalBJJ

5 ай бұрын

Nobody is trying to make you trust them.

@Restrocket

5 ай бұрын

Q* is real

@spiralsun1

5 ай бұрын

Or one that comes out of the gate censoring our writing and image ideas… just absolutely disgusting, and mind-bendingly ignorant at the inception of something that is the future.

@holydiver916

5 ай бұрын

They never asked for your trust 😅

When all this was going down I literally said to myself “ I can’t wait for Dagogo to break this down.” You didn’t disappoint✅ Thanks bruh. 😊

@johnp5761

5 ай бұрын

Nice copy/paste 😂

Sounds like the board doesn’t want to be a for-profit company, but Sam does. As far as the employees go, I wouldn’t be surprised if many of them have been promised shares in the company if it goes public, which is why they so desperately want Sam in charge.

@vaendryl

5 ай бұрын

the employees almost certainly were promised or even given stock *options* (which are popular employee benefits as they technically don't cost anything to give away), which would become very valuable if the share price jumped up.

@Restrocket

5 ай бұрын

It's all about Q*

@themightyquyn

5 ай бұрын

This sounds plausible, because why would Altman immediately jump to Microsoft?

@biguattipoptropica

5 ай бұрын

I believe that’s what happened too, because the whole mission statement of OpenAI was to be a research company who sets ethical standards for other machine learning projects. In fact that’s why they said they didn’t regulators, OpenAI would regulate! Them prioritizing profit over everything was basically inevitable.

@FlukeTog

5 ай бұрын

Snakes on a plane 🐍

Moral of the story, never click a Google Meets link in the middle of the night lol

@Funglutton

5 ай бұрын

Google at least knows what happens... 😮

@adityanuar

5 ай бұрын

haha good point!@@Funglutton

@JaneyDanes

5 ай бұрын

hahah genau!

@abdelrahmangamal5875

5 ай бұрын

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

I love Cold Fusion. By far my favorite channel. Thanks for making such great content.

I've been following this story closely but when I saw your video I knew I wanted to hear your take. You're too good dagogo!

There’s that moment as an adult where you realize there are no thoughtful, trustworthy people rooted in integrity in charge of society, and that the rules and resulting history are written by the winners, which are mostly greedy, self serving, often sociopathic businessmen…then stories like this confirm that cynicism.

@chickadeestevenson5440

5 ай бұрын

Wow. Who would have thought that people running a company based on scraping writing to create "AI" would be at all sketchy.

@thelovejoyshow568

5 ай бұрын

Yep. And it all starts with "We just want to benefit humanity".

@GoomySmash

5 ай бұрын

It's easy to say as an outsider that everyone in charge is unethical, but people like Sam Altman are dealing with some pretty complex challenges with lots of people on lots of sides standing to benefit or be hurt. I'd be less inclined to believe everyone in charge are sociopaths, but to think that some of them are but some of them are genuinely empathetic people who have a lot of hard decisions to make

@tomschuelke7955

5 ай бұрын

Your thoughts and judgments are too simplistic. Game theory helps. If you know the potentially destructive dangers of AI, you can't risk letting someone else develop it first. With great financial power, you would be more likely to achieve the goal. This is the lesser evil. From a game theory perspective, it is then rational to push for AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) despite the dangers, using all means. It is comparable to Oppenheimer."

@henrytep8884

5 ай бұрын

@@tomschuelke7955yeah but this one is different. This is the moloch of all moloch, and unlike thermonuclear weapons, we only get one chance to do this right. Once we create the first encounter, the super intelligent, there is no more control over our faith. We lose our position as the telos of the the world, and will fade into the background depending on the intention of our own creation. This goes beyond game theory.

Soooo for once the board of directors was thinking about ethics first and money second and everybody banded together to get this board dismissed and replaced with one who is going to be money first? And people are rejoicing???

@suyashshandilya9891

5 ай бұрын

I have same concern. I love Sam and the team but we might not be routing for the 'good guys' here..

@paulmichaelfreedman8334

5 ай бұрын

@@suyashshandilya9891 What concerns me most is Ilya being out of the picture...

@MapleSyrupyyy

5 ай бұрын

It's because the employees probably have in their contracts some kind of stock benefit, so if the company realizes its full valuation each of the employees could earn millions. Without Sam, the valuation of the company would tank.

@ovum

5 ай бұрын

Rumor is, Toner was very willing to burn OpenAI down just to get into some deal with Anthropic

@ovum

5 ай бұрын

Second rumor is one of the board members (who owns Poe) initially got salty about the release of GPTs. Poe took years of research, only for OpenAI to release GPTs out of the blue.

Finally a content creator that puts the name of the song playing at the end! A big thank you from all of those who just like me are attentive to music everywhere and at all times. Nowadays, you even hear crazy instrumentals and beats in the background of random videos everywhere or as opening/closing credits like here, nothing more frustrating in my book than not being able to identify them! Keep it up Dagogo! Cheers EDIT: Oh it is YOUR music even?? That's crazy! Quick question though, at the end of this vid, you write Burn Water - Honesty, but I can only find Being Honest? What's up with that? At any rate, the instrumental and vocals on Being Honest are ON POINT.

@svancina

5 ай бұрын

He uploads music on the channel @ColdFusionmusic

Wow these Cold Fusion documentaries, already great, are getting better and better! The information content was so dense in this one that I had to replay it many times... Whew!

The news were so confusing, so i looked for a tldr video and am glad i found it here. Thank you ❤

I think you forgot the part where Emmett Shear, the ex-CEO for 5 seconds, said that the dismissal wasn't about safety. Given that that's more of an official statement than the rumors about things like Q* I tend to believe that the reason for the firing was because Sam was just doing some backroom deals and wasn't being honest about them, which is why the board said that Sam "wasn't consistently candid". This is just my guess, based on the few statements we have. I don't want to rely on speculations, especially now at a time when people are capitalizing on the uncertainty. That being said, seeing how the investors particularly Microsoft came to Sam's rescue immediately makes me worry that AI safety has essentially been put to the side in favor of short term profits (ironically the opposite goal of the company). I sort of already knew that when the AI arms race started but now it seems much more clear who's running things.

@Restrocket

5 ай бұрын

If they want to dismiss that it`s about safety it means that it is definitely about safety

@Homiloko2

5 ай бұрын

Concerns about AI safety are pointless. If you slow down, you can be certain someone else is still going at 100% to surpass you. Depending on who those competitors are, it can be even less safe to let them take the lead. I'd say they should keep going and address those concerns down the road. Fight malicious AI with good AI.

@biguattipoptropica

5 ай бұрын

@@Homiloko2that has worked out so well in the past-like with data privacy and scam emails and online shopping and… oh wait.

@Homiloko2

5 ай бұрын

@@biguattipoptropica What's the alternative? Slow down OpenAI which seems like an alright company, and let Google, Russia and China keep going full speed? If we can't stop everyone, there's no point stopping someone unless it's proven they're doing something bad.

@Funglutton

5 ай бұрын

The problem is that if the Board have stepped down they would likely have been paid off with expensive settlements and Non-disclosure clauses, further suppressing the truth.

It's really creepy how devoted tech employees are to people who will inevitably replace them with a lower cost option.

@poeperdhe

5 ай бұрын

Ignorance is bliss..

@Tubeytime

5 ай бұрын

This comment is ignorance. Maybe the employees want to be replaced? Or maybe they know him better than you do. It's creepy how many upvotes this got.

@agxryt

5 ай бұрын

It's the tech bro cult of personality. Elon Musk still has millions of devoted followers, despite clearly having the emotional intelligence of a teenager, openly admitting to making "Hyperloop" just to sabotage a public transit project, being disrespected by everyone close to him, and using pageantry of "free speech" to defend his 4chan-inspired racist conspiracy theories. People like having leaders they can rely on to deal with the "hard questions". At least Sam's halfway reasonable

@GeoMeridium

5 ай бұрын

The technology is not the problem. A world in which goods can be produced without work could be amazing. The problem is that AI would consolidate economic ownership to a few companies, while the rest of us have no stake.

@Uldihaa

5 ай бұрын

Or replace them with the very "AI" they helped to create. I honestly find it rather schadenfreude-ish.

Both institutions and individuals are basically destined to be fully into AMS79X because the biggest of them all, a giant tech giant, made it and the reality is now stronger than ever. It wont ever be as cheap too

@hitmanRazo

5 ай бұрын

BOT

@thefirsttrillionaire2925

5 ай бұрын

@@hitmanRazo🤖👎🏽

@Rokaishi

5 ай бұрын

scam

@00fangir17

5 ай бұрын

wtf is this

This channel on KZread is an absolute essential! I've never once skipped an episode-it's pure gold. Your content is top-notch, dude! Keep crushing it with your phenomenal work!

First half: Oh wow, thats fucked up. I cant believe the entire board tried to do him dirty like that, like a bunch of greedy snakes. Second half: Oh. Fuck.

@augustortiz

5 ай бұрын

Yep, it sounds more like a hostile takeover from Sam. The board were trying to put brakes on his ego and it backfired badly.

@2kt2000

5 ай бұрын

Is it just me OR was Ilya S. actually the good guy! While Sam is the likable Ted Bundy whom will be our destruction. Everything I've read and viewed suggest so. idk

@augustortiz

5 ай бұрын

​@@2kt2000 From what I read before, Ilya S. went under his back to try and fire him but as soon as the jig was up he obviously tried to save face. My guess is Sam will have him close by with a watchful eye( more like a Judas Iscariot who got caught trying to sell Sam out). I totally agree, Sam is 100% a sociopath, something about him bugs me out in a similar way to Zuck.

@2kt2000

5 ай бұрын

@@augustortiz I know that bro...that portion is all over the news. My point is that Ilya cared about the dangers and Altman cares about profits, to our detriment. Sam seems to believe that just because he warns us, he can still push forward with his profit grab by blessing us with conveniences before we implode. However Ilya seems to be of the mindset that if mankind is at HIGH risk we need to proceed with that being the focus. We live in a culture of personalities and Sam is winning vs Ilya...though logically Ilya has our survival in mind first and foremost. respectable concept if ya ask me lol. If he were as likable or dynamic as Sam it'd be a fair battle. .he's not. I like Sam too lol. But damn it must be a serious risk for them to try to ax the poster child. Major.

The truth is madder than fiction...Thanks for Cold Fusion to bring this out as usual

@Pooki2024

5 ай бұрын

Truth is stranger than fiction, at least quote it right

@sebastianmullerbalcazar6229

5 ай бұрын

The only explanation is that ChatGPT has achieved Artificial General Intelligence (human level) and self consciousness …. and did not tell the Board on time …. only reason I can think of …

@paulkaddu5192

5 ай бұрын

@@Pooki2024 have you heard the song called Verdansk by Dave? I'm quoting him soooo...At least you tried

@Pooki2024

5 ай бұрын

@@paulkaddu5192 I Don’t listen to gay music

@paulkaddu5192

5 ай бұрын

@@Pooki2024 so original.. So clever.. Don't burn the last of your two brain cells coming up with another response

I think it’s far more likely to be a situation similar to what happened at google a year or so ago where that one engineer thought the model was conscious. I think a lot of people don’t understand how difficult making an AGI is and how much more advanced than chatGPT it would actually be.

@georgew2014

5 ай бұрын

I agree. Of course, the easy way out is to redefine AGI to something achievable within a timeframe that big investors would be happy with. I wonder if that's the case here.

@stevenspangler7587

4 ай бұрын

AGI will make ChatGPT look like auto-correct.

@a.c.e7407

4 ай бұрын

AGI is pretty much a scaled ChatGPT with more parameters, and more fine-tuning. It would be a whole lot better than ChatGPT, but it's not fundamentally different. It's like ChatGPT 3 and 4. The answers are higher in quality, but the base model has just been expanded. Brute force upgrade. I think the concept of AGI is more theoretical than practical. If you want an AI to outperform humans, it should be fine-tuned for that task explicitly, unliked ChatGPT which is a general knowledge AI. Think of AGI as the state space, and then any use-case specific model as a state in that space, which would differ only in terms of the parameters defined for it. At the end of the day, this is just a parameter fitting problem, basically a function. You cannot create sentience, nor program it really, you can only make AI mimic it from recorded data. What I mean is that it will inevitably be only a weapon, not an independent thinker. That means if it ever causes harm, it would be because of the human hand that wields it. You can make AI drones for military, for tanks, for submarines, for troops even. You can make the perfect politician, the perfect lawyer, the perfect assassin, but at the end of the day, it will only be what you envision it. It won't act independently. People try to imagine what they can't understand, the norse thought thunder was Thor banging his hammer, people who don't know what AI really is only see that it acts like a human so it must be human. If it's human, then it can make its own decisions, oh no, we are cruel creatures, what if it does to us what we do to the world, and start ranting about sci-fi bs.

@a.c.e7407

4 ай бұрын

Generative AI was created ages ago, but because of the superior hardware we have now, it got on people's radar just recently, so they think it's sth completely new. Mark my words, AGI will just be a plugin tool for knowledge-based applications, mainly used in software development, e-commerce, and education. Then it will be customized by independent developers to be used in games, apps, and stuff like that. Maybe the government would then use it for automated targeting and deployment alongside actual soldiers, but that's it. It won't be this Ultron of a robot thinking independently and scheming. If you still think AI is sentient, just read a bit about ML. It was created in the 50s as a form of performing parameter fitting using recorded data. Nothing more, nothing less. The only thing that has changed over the years is the type of data, and the objective for it to fit to.

I've been waiting for you to cover this situation! You never disappoint!!

I knew that you'll make a video for this event, but didn't expect it to be this fast, great work as always man!

Great to see stability in the world's leading AI and tech companies. I can go to sleep at night knowing the future is in good hands

@DC-id2ih

5 ай бұрын

🤣

@Praisethesunson

5 ай бұрын

I love seeing money flood into people with no clearly functioning product and a ton of wildly grandiose claims. Especially in a time full of tech based scam companies. This is definitely not a fly by night operation trying to hype a minor data search tool as the next iPhone just to make some money. It's just a sign of professionals trying to keep us filthy rabble safe from the totally amazing tech these guys 100% actually have.

@SosopChabot

5 ай бұрын

Yep, SkyNet isn’t going to show up at all…

@Biedropegaz

5 ай бұрын

wishful thinking

@michaelh4227

5 ай бұрын

Can't wait for them to release Microsoft Skynet.

I do believe this out of the blue 3 day war drama has something to do with a major research breakthrough at OpenAi. The fact that the Board has refused to state why Sam was fired even to this day has me very intriqued, something so secretive that nobody wants to say anything. Ironic that the company has Open in its name, its far from open and there is so much secrecy.

@SioxerNikita

5 ай бұрын

Open, as in openly available, which OpenAI generally has been. And of course there is secrets... there is secrets basically in anything. Of some kind and another.

@abdelrahmangamal5875

5 ай бұрын

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

@yothiga

5 ай бұрын

It has to be ethical issues in that breakthrough.

@SioxerNikita

5 ай бұрын

@@yothiga No it doesn't

@patrickr4762

4 ай бұрын

Elon had a very interesting take on this. The reason why he co-founded OpenAI bec. at that time Google was the leader in AI w/ 2/3 control over it and he said Larry Page didn’t care about the ethics just the tech n business. Thus OpenAI was born to counter that. Now he says Sam is similar to Larry Page but Ilya has a high moral compass and is totally for AI safety. They def. both discovered something big, like opening Pandora’s box, and Ilya was totally against it but Sam doesn’t mind opening it. I think thats the crux of the conflict.

A great inquest as usual. Thanks for bringing the story out this way (open) and shedding more light into it.

Hilarious that an M$ subsidiary (effectively) doesn't even use M$ Teams but the rival's product, Google Meet.

@augustortiz

5 ай бұрын

Even they know most MS products are shit LOL.

@ramage7646

5 ай бұрын

MS teams sucks for real. So is MS outlook. I've used both on work, and Google's suite is just better. Gmail trumps Outlook, like how Meet trumps MS teams

I actually searched for it on your channel since you're my favorite source for stuff like that on KZread. I'm glad you made it ❤

Finally! I’d been waiting for ColdFusion’s video on this drama. Good stuff ✅

I was waiting for your video on this topic

I think both Mcrsft and Sam knew they needed to get rid of the non-profit board power. Either by starting a new AI venture or changing the current one. And they found how…

@n00bc0de7

5 ай бұрын

I wouldn't go and celebrate this outcome. This is just one step closer to microsoft gaining complete control of the AI industry. Nobody wants that.

@williamwillaims

5 ай бұрын

Microsoft just announced massive investment in my country's technology infrastructure, to build the back bone of a ai here... yay

@VanarCinema

5 ай бұрын

Steve jobs be like : I'll be joining the game soon.😂

@charlessmith3940

5 ай бұрын

@@n00bc0de7microsoft has the infrastructure, technology, and money to help create an incredible tool. I dont see Microsoft as bad/greedy as other technology companies. Microsoft wasnt selling your data to ad companies. They made money off software.

@hoangle2483

5 ай бұрын

Early this year, Microsoft invested $10 billion into OpenAI. That's the moment when you realize the "humanity first" is far gone.

Thanks for putting this together. I saw a lot of other similar videos popping up, but only clicked on yours, as I find your channel always really reliable as information source :)

Can’t wait for the Netflix deep dive in what actually happened. Thanks for the great video as always my friend!

this was the death of openai and the birth of Microsoft's openai. Larry summers is a great pick for this openly corporate direction without any pretense of non profit organization or agi safety.

Basically, the founders who wanted to benefit mankind and tried a coup, but every employee of OpenAI knows the potential sale value on the near horizon. Sam is ALL about the money, so I can't see how this can possibly go wrong ;-)

@2kt2000

5 ай бұрын

Is it just me OR was Ilya S. actually the good guy! While Sam is the likable Ted Bundy whom will be our destruction. Everything I've read and viewed suggest so. idk

@SreeTejaSimhaGemaraju

5 ай бұрын

For a brief moment we are going to generate a very high value for our shareholders. And it would be glorious! So shall be the subsequent fall too!

@hoangle2483

5 ай бұрын

tbf for them, it's very hard to go for "humanity first" route, the moment Microsoft money pours in.

@Ag3nt0fCha0s

5 ай бұрын

@@hoangle2483why did this species die out? Oh, the usual…

@abdelrahmangamal5875

5 ай бұрын

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

The irony here is that the AI probably wouldn't have made the same decision as the board; which raises interesting questions about data biases and overt model curation.

@jet0802

5 ай бұрын

No sensible businessmen would’ve made the same decision either, the board was too deep into effective altruism.

@jet0802

5 ай бұрын

Also to add on, I think effective altruism would be disastrous for US technology firms, due to how the Chinese don’t care and don’t indulge themselves in that sort of philosophy.

@chiquita683

5 ай бұрын

AI would have removed him for making a non profit for profit

@Praisethesunson

5 ай бұрын

​@@jet0802that philosophy is a scam so it makes sense no other nations adopted it.

@Praisethesunson

5 ай бұрын

AI would have said to fire the CEOh of MacroSofta. Cause it's stupid scam that doesn't work.

This is the video I’ve been waiting for since the saga began. Thanks for delivering 👏🏽

I swear to god cold fusion has the coolest and best intro...for some reason it brings out the nostalgia in me.

this shows that value and goal of a company is just a fasade. Ultimately its the money, where the company(which is just group of people) lays its eye on.

@Valcuda

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, for being called "OpenAI", they're extremely closed.

@menen3804

5 ай бұрын

It's all 'bout the money It's all 'bout the dum dum da da dum dum…

@spamspasm8183

5 ай бұрын

@@menen3804damn a meja reference in 2023?

@tomschuelke7955

5 ай бұрын

this might be one! reason but theres another one that comes from game theory and the importance of agi and the potential threat. Agi is potentially incredibly dangerous... if the leaks are true, Q* has managed to learn math and crack a 128 bit cryptokey. That would be devastating for the security of the world... Without gigantic investments, Open ai will not be able to reach AGI quickly and other players will beat them to it. Such a powerful tool in enemy military hands, for example, would be a nightmare. in that case, it is rational to engage in commerce to get ahead of the enemy. with the best of intentions, rational and compelling... Just like the invention of the atomic bomb.

@misskeirstin6355

5 ай бұрын

*Façade

AI explained has the best coverage of Q*. It's probably a generator/validator architecture which uses massive compute at inference time (not just training time). It's probably able to do math much better than gpt. But still only at school level. Big development. Not AGI yet. Overblown perhaps. Still scary.

@patrickr4762

4 ай бұрын

Thats scary bec. thats like a toddler to genius in a matter of days and from Jarvis to Ultron to Infinity Ultron in a short amount of time. Pretty much like what the movies has shown.

Great summary of what happened. Well done.

As a guy who works in the software industry on the PM side of things, it's only a few more years before I'm replaced by AI. At the end of the day this is all for profit, whether it's is directly for OpenAI or their corporate clients.

@spuffles2104

5 ай бұрын

I wish the best for ya mate, depending on your skills there'd definetly be companies looking for good people so job security hopefully won't be too rough

@Paulie8K

5 ай бұрын

@@spuffles2104 thanks. I'll be fine. I started my career in the financial industry and slowly shifted over to SaaS so I have some versatility in my experience and resume I can fallback on. I also don't have kids so it all affects me and me only. I feel it for people who have a wife and kids in a major city like SF or NYC with high COL and having their tech job eliminated by AI.

@KP-sg9fm

5 ай бұрын

Profit motivated individuals have won (so far) only time will tell if this was the right outcome. (I personally think not but I have been wrong many times before, and I hope I am wrong this time as well.)

It's always delighful to hear your voice explaining such events. This channel is gold.

@GMAV3RICK

5 ай бұрын

Try reading. Just a thought.

My guess is that something big is about to happen, they wouldn’t disagree this bad on the little things.

@arfyness

5 ай бұрын

i had similar thoughts upon learning of the boards very vaguely stated reasons for firing him. reads like "uh, we can't actually say"

@ryanfx4rh

5 ай бұрын

I’m with you, something big is happening

@flavioptferreira

5 ай бұрын

I'm sorry, but Duh!

@jensenraylight8011

5 ай бұрын

Sam might be the Ultimate villain all along, he didn't have a good moral, often changing his word his promise, like chaning from non-profit to for-profit, even let openAI get controlled by microsoft. also he did a lot of unethical stuff. pushing AI to everyone too soon, when nobody even figured out the future implication yet. even Geoffrey Hinton the godfather of AI left his job to warn people about the danger of AI. just like how Einstein regret his development of Atomic Bomb yet people undermine the implication of the AI because they had been bribed with free AI Generator

@abdelrahmangamal5875

5 ай бұрын

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

Thank you for the summation and the three possibilities. This was a great article.

I thought this was about 5 years away too but then again this tech has a way of improving exponentially.

Was expected to have this out sooner as you have produced so many and so soon for all AI businesses, but seems like you have made the right decision as this saga is far from over. Keep up the good work!

@LuisSierra42

5 ай бұрын

He was probably waiting to see if we can have more information

As soon as you look at the valuation if the company is floated "for profit" and Microsoft has £13 billion invested you know the old adage "follow the money" is the real truth, the split and who gets what is what the core dispute was about.

Thank you I was waiting for your take on this. and as expected you delivered. Watching this space.

Some months ago, I read on a news site that some drone operator on the US army was killed by a predator drone that was flying on the skies ahead of him, this drone was using some kind of AI, the "intelligence" judged the operator the weak point on the chain of command, and the decision was to "terminate" the human from decision making, so the "intelligence" armed an hellfire missile on this drone that killed the human operator, this was maybe, one of the first humans to be killed by a command of an artificial intelligence, and i doubt it will be the last. On the Guardian: "The US air force has denied it has conducted an AI simulation in which a drone decided to “kill” its operator to prevent it from interfering with its efforts to achieve its mission. An official said last month that in a virtual test staged by the US military, an air force drone controlled by AI had used “highly unexpected strategies to achieve its goal”."

@Handle1969

5 ай бұрын

Say didn’t they make a movie like that? 2001 something?

Maybe Sam having his eyes closed on the AI Safety Summit picture at 14:23 is trying to tell us something

ColdFusion Never disappoints 🎉

Excellent video! I look forward to the follow up on this story.

Been long waiting for your video on this issue

Machine intelligence is a lot like practical fusion power; it's only a few years away no matter how many decades they've been working on it.

@Ag3nt0fCha0s

5 ай бұрын

Completely unlike railguns…

@enderallygolem

5 ай бұрын

Though in this case I'll be happier if it keeps being that way

Great content as always

I was just waiting for this. Thanks Dagogo

Seems like Sam Altman is the Norman Osborne of open Ai.

I feel like the possibility of the team actually finding a breakthrough for AGI is near zero. Everyone’s test for it is so sensitive, that we will get a lot of false positives. This could be seen as a good thing, but I think the need for a better test is essential. I don’t even think we have a good idea of what such a test would even look like. And I agree that they can’t have these rumors swimming around and not say anything. The longer they go without an official story, the more likely it is for people to fill in the blank. Nobody can afford for that to happen, not OpenAI and not the rest of the world.

I’ve been waiting for this one! Cheers! 🎉

Thank you so much. Great effort and video.

Fyi... I guess the secret behind Qwest is that it was capable of teaching itself chilren's math. The fear is as it gets smarter and better at math, it's going to break all encryption algoeithms we rely on causing chaos.

@Ag3nt0fCha0s

5 ай бұрын

Why did it redistribute all funding on Earth?! Well, it got into a website of religious texts…

The circumstantial evidence certainly seems to suggest that the board was erring on the side of caution, accordingly with the original intent of OpenAI, and Altman is dominantly committed to profit, and somewhat incautious in his approach. Since it is all rather murky, we can't know that we have the read right, but obviously regulation is sorely needed, whether or not this is the warning volley it appears it may be. Assuming all is well with such lack of clarity is obviously unwise.

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The Board to Ilya: Hold on, this whole operation was your idea

The board's disagreement with Sam Altman likely stemmed from their opposing views on the potential of Q* and its implications for AGI development. Altman's belief in Q* as a breakthrough towards AGI may have contrasted with the board's more cautious stance, leading to a significant rift.

@abdelrahmangamal5875

5 ай бұрын

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

And these are the people deciding what AI will do in the future? We’re doomed.

This would make a great thriller film where AGI had almost taken over the planet except for the courageous efforts of board members who disagreed about what should be done to contain the threat. (now heading over to GPT4 to write the screen play).

Very well done as always!

There’s a piece of the timeline I see consistently being missed : Elon pledged a billion when he was with open AI, gave 100 millions of said billion, wanted to be ceo, and left when he was rejected. There was now a 900 million dollar hole - THEN the for profit arm was opened

@paulmichaelfreedman8334

5 ай бұрын

Elon didn't leave because of the for profit decision, but because of the closed-source decision. Elon wanted Open Source from the get-go. Had they done that he'd have put more than a billion in eventually.

@Restrocket

5 ай бұрын

Who cares about Musk when AGI was achieved internally

@honor9lite1337

5 ай бұрын

​@@RestrocketElon > AGI.

@WarFoxThunder

5 ай бұрын

Lmao thats such an Elon thing to do 😂

If Q* is really about AGI then it's funny how OpenAI says they are "Pioneering the research and steps taken towards AGI" but then the researchers themselves are worried about a massive breakthrough that could "threaten humanity". Like, they are scared about the very thing they are trying to research and make progress on? But then again, it's all speculation in the end.

@jackbucher2049

5 ай бұрын

"they are scared about the very thing they are trying to research" There is a difference between pursuing something within the proper guidelines and safety measures, and going whole hog and knocking all the guard rails off for the money's sake.

@CrazyFanaticMan

5 ай бұрын

They're scared in the sense that they don't wanna fuck it up. Everyone wants to make Jarvis, R2-D2 or WALL-E - you know, examples of good or helpful AGIs - not Skynet. Of course, you're going to tread carefully. Being scared doesn't mean you should not try. If humanity didn't try, we wouldn't be where we are today

@roxdbox

5 ай бұрын

Good to know the researchers aren’t preoccupied with whether or not they could, and actually stopped (or at least tried to stop) to think if they should.

@aitoluxd

5 ай бұрын

​@@roxdboxif all comes to worst, we know they at least tried. GG WP to them

@paulsd9255

5 ай бұрын

Maybe it’s called Q* because their attempt at AGI turned into a conspiracy theorist lunatic.

Thank you for constant usable information!!! Mr. Cold Fusion. Excuse me 1000 times 🙏because I do not know how to properly >spell< your name. And would never go so far to try out of ignorance. I like this, though it is food for thought.!!

great video as always, thanks Dagogo

Lowkey... If I started a company like OpenAI, and one day I was invited to a zoom call with a bunch of board members who were trying to fire me, I probably would end up in jail for what I would have said and done next

@HarpreetSingh-xg2zm

5 ай бұрын

The board and structure was chosen by the founders.

I just love how people freak out about AGI as if its the next nuclear bomb yet AI is just some fancy program on some computer and the existing AIs already beat most people at most tasks.

@predator0010

5 ай бұрын

That is a naive way to look at it. For example what if the 'bad people' don't JUST "flip the switch" and instead use it as a weapon or something thinking they can control it. But once it is out there it is out there and could do who knows what to our systems and as a consequence make chaos on a global scale. Our inability to imagine what can potentially happen is our biggest problem. Humans are bad at long term planning and thinking, but AI will be good at it, and it may guide us to do what it wants by manipulation etc. You dont have to hack the system, you just hack the user and you are in. Much easier. Im sure there will be groups of people who will want AI to succeed and who will try to protect it. We were also thinking we had control with nuclear energy, and look how many nuclear incidents happened all over the world. When you mess with something that you don't fully understand or can control you will get burned, its is just a question of how much.

@AdamSchadow

5 ай бұрын

@@predator0010 Ai is limited to running in massive data centers and since the cold war we have weapons that can wipe out any target we point them at so even if someone would somehow invent a way to use ai as a weapon its one cruise missile away from getting destroyed.

always the best summary from coldfusion

Another good summary vid, thanks mate !

Now palki sharma is international..really happy to see her grow as an international news star..

Honestly, this story, which would make an incredible film by the way, just makes Sam Altman seem almost god-like in a way. Or like some modern mythic hero. The way he rose this company from the ground to the stratosphere in less than a year, before being deeply and suddenly betrayed by those closest to his seat of power, and how he then convinced nearly every "fellow countryman" to join his side, including his Brutus/Judas, within like 3 days. He's like the Julius Caesar of the corporate world.

@user-mc2vh5ph3i

4 ай бұрын

Made my day 😂

Interesting! Thanks for sharing it. ✌️

Thanks for the in depth analysis!!

If I had a nickel for every Sam something-man who got implicated in a major tech scandal, I'd have... Two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

@cesz1

5 ай бұрын

Was thinking the same thing 😂

@DgurlSunshine

5 ай бұрын

@@cesz1 ATOMIC THRONE

@seanrrr

5 ай бұрын

Never trust a guy named Sam ____man.

@slowmusic60

5 ай бұрын

What's the other one?

@jamesfra1311

5 ай бұрын

Really rustled my jimmies.

From what's been leaked about Q* it sounds more like an incremental improvement, which makes it all the more wild how they reacted

@lis7742

5 ай бұрын

I completely agree. Why would an amazing breakthrough with Q* be deemed a threat to humanity? I don't get it. And why did OpenAI say that it was an actual option to close down the whole company after the discovery of this threat? I think they should be more open with the world about what's going on. Not because I'm worried, but more because I find it interesting to see the process of trial and error and what's being done to better things.

@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii

5 ай бұрын

@@lis7742 Same here.. is everyone blinded by science fiction? It has been demonstrated that current algorithms are not 'intelligent'. It's just a tool which is almost useless in it's current state. To make it 'intelligent' would require radically different approaches (hardware and software) along with new algorithms. I personally don't think it's going to happen with binary computers.

Interesting to hear about Q*, it's groundbreaking perhaps but probably not destructive.

Great video, thank you. Excited for what's next

Finally, a definitive explanation 🍿🍿

@yayaya6799

5 ай бұрын

You were joking right?

@Hardwareai

5 ай бұрын

@@yayaya6799 I never joke about popcorn

@WarFoxThunder

5 ай бұрын

​@@Hardwareaibased

@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii

5 ай бұрын

sounds like the video was scripted by Chap TGP

I’ve seen, in the last few days, some posts by credible AI technologists that Q* (and related new approaches) includes new learned math capabilities that could, with massive compute resources and lots of time, become capable of hacking current encryption algorithms. Not only would that capability certainly be ‘a threat to humanity’, but the prospect of such risk to all global financial systems (and many other systems that use encryption) could potentially trigger mass panic - which might be as dangerous or more dangerous than the technology itself.

@markwang77

5 ай бұрын

'no more secrets' [Sneakers]

The fact they haven't refuted the Reuters letter in any way is incredibly damning. If this doesn't happen soon I think the technology to break encryption (Q*) will be 'acquired' by the government, one way or another. After all a model is just a large file of weights.

I love the fact that Sam has his eyes shut at the AI Safety Summit photo at 14:22

Just my opinion but not as many jobs are at threat in the future as some say. Human judgement is still important in all industry. I would recommend that people should learn more about the technology they use in their industries. AI will eventually be built into every tool we use and being as knowable as possible about the tools will keep you on top of AI in the job place.

@andoletube

5 ай бұрын

As with anything, there will be winners and losers. More losers than winners, but the winners will win bigger than ever. Overall, it's a loss for humanity because it's not going to help everybody equally - which further erodes our values and ethics.

@Sick_Pencil

5 ай бұрын

artists said the same few years back.

I am rooting for the discovery of AGI, although I am quite skeptical if it will happen this early. I was expecting to see some ground breaking discovery within the latter half of this decade. If it happened this early, hooray, I guess. However, I do not like the idea of Microsoft having control over OpenAI. Too few companies have too many control over a lot of the market.

@basilmcdonnell9807

5 ай бұрын

Microsoft is your best bet for control of the technology by someone who is not a servant of a brutal dictatorship, speaks Mandarin, and blocks any mention of Winnie The Poo.

Great summation Dagogo, thank you

Love your content! I’m not on discord but here’s my video request: AI video and the future of a Netflix that lets you prompt your own movie plots.

You call General AI the “Holy Grail” but its gonna be more like Pandora’s Box

AGI in a humanoid bot coming soon 🌀. What a time to be alive.

@aliveandwellinisrael2507

5 ай бұрын

Not sure whether 'humanoid bot' means a physical robot. I'm not sure why people worry about physical robots in the AI safety conversation. An artificial superintelligence could be confined to a box and still end everything.

This company board meeting drama is so crazy they can honestly make a movie out of it.

Very good video and summary of the events, thank you for the various points of view ! Tricky situation. I wonder why the board would not give a bit more information about their decision even if it was regarding new AGI developments that had been kept from them. Everyone knows they are working on it, why would it be risky to say they disagree with the approach and then discuss it with partners and employees ? Why fire him like that without discussion... Although I try to be careful around Elon's tweets, he's right, why did they take such drastic actions without talking it through internally first ? It was bound to be badly received and generate backlash. Seems very incompetent from them. There's something weird in this. Doesn't really inspire trust unfortunately. Here is hoping the new board and management structure allows for better communication. Thanks Dagogo for the detailed coverage !

This just happened to me. On october 22nd of last month, I saw a 10 min meeting scheduled with my manager at a big company. I had been avoiding speaking to him because he has the temperament of an elon but with none of the intelligence. I told him I missed morning standup because I was at the police station filing a police report. I had been robbed the night before by a group of criminals. He responded by telling me I was fired. I was shocked. “Why?” “Budgetary reasons.” “Are you serious? You just hired 2 new contractors.” “We decided to move in a different direction,” he intoned monotonously. I paused. He did not have a real justification. I hated him. He was objectively unqualified to be “sr executive director of software engineering”, and yet somehow he floated into an upper middle management position at a big company in corporate america on account of his degree from USC in poly sci or whatever. In 3 years time, I saw him denigrate and fire every contractor whom worked for him. I was simply the latest. I am now trying to put my life back together, scrambling for remote jobs in during a recession in the tech industry.

@basilmcdonnell9807

5 ай бұрын

Someone who is that level of fool is someone you don't want to be around anyway. In my experience people like that most often crash and burn and take their companies down with them. You are better off getting away earlier than later.

@WarFoxThunder

5 ай бұрын

Christ...

@slaveofAllahAlAzeezAlHakeem

5 ай бұрын

That's would shake and disorient anybody so apologies and all the best in seeking employment. Your skills and experience add your assests and hopefully you'll regain your balance soon.All the best. Ps: It may not seem like it now but you dodged a bullet working with someone as unstable as your former boss... You'll be fine inshaAllah (God Willing).. Have a great life 😊

@charlessmith3940

5 ай бұрын

Sorry this happened to you. I have worked for 3 fortune 50 companies and have seen alot of BS. Something i hate the most is how they widdle these teams down, then when their is a promotion or management job available, they will bring in an outside hire that has zero idea whats going on. I was fired once cause my co worker was a looser, and had zero IT skills. After working with him for a month, and trying to fogure out how the hell he got the job, i found out that his older brother, was in a relationship with my boss. And my boss, was a groomsman in his wedding. Totally weird. About a week or two after finding out i was abruptly fired. Luckily my original boss from same company took me back at my lower position, for same pay. So i went back to my old job, searched for a better job, and moved on. But it was gut wrenching to get fired for something not performance based.