As a motorsports videographer, I can tell you that sometimes we are told to never release certain types of footage by the sanctioning bodies. I have actually had to negotiate posting video of parts failures before. We are encouraged to turn such footage over to sanctioning bodies for legal purposes and also for study, however. That being said, I can understand both sides. On one hand, I feel like seeing all of the available footage of incidents would give the fan a better understanding of not only the danger of a sport, but how drivers and vehicles are actually affected when something happens. A sense of realism. On the other hand, I agree that there would likely be backlash, both detrimental to a sport and costly in various ways. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the way it is across the board though. I was watching the race on TV and I'll never forget the shock in Dale Jarrett's voice when they showed that lone angle of Sadler's wreck though. "Oh my gosh, oh my gosh"

@grantpanage498

10 ай бұрын

Charles Russell out in the wild!! Always enjoybyour content man. Cool seeing you commenting on other people's videos.

@aaronhobart6223

10 ай бұрын

Hmm nicely said!!

@petiecoe5294

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I think we know

NASCAR definitely does hide footage, especially in-car stuff. Good example is Tony Stewart's flip at Talladega in 2012. They showed replays from all angles but never from in-car. Later, they used that in-car footage in a promo commercial. It's very quick and very rare, but shows that they did archive it.

@LeviCPC25

10 ай бұрын

What commercial was it?

@andrea7158

10 ай бұрын

It was during the 2013 talladeha fall race, when i first saw it. It felt rare, i have never seen the cockpit view of the wreck

@LaughOutLiberty

10 ай бұрын

@@LeviCPC25 It was some years ago, when Tony Stewart was still driving. Basically a bunch of drivers talking to the camera, saying something, then they show a clip. When it was Tony's turn, he says something and they cut to a clip of his in-car from that crash. You can see him through his visor reacting to him about to roll over.

@beedyboy1395

10 ай бұрын

And ryan preece

@TheJingles007

10 ай бұрын

Another example is the in-car camera for Jeff Gordon for his crash at Phoenix. Apparently it was deemed too disturbing by nascar to ever be released (Edit - I posted this comment before reaching the point in the video where he covered it)

I swear Sadler always had the weirdest crashes and luck. That random 2004 Dega flip, the awful 2003 one, his 2000 Michigan flip and this. Also finished runner up in Xfinity points 3 times. Still think his career is a big what if

@kjprodouctions9050

10 ай бұрын

His crash at Michigan was actually in 1999

@noahcoleman5556

10 ай бұрын

Actually, it was 2000.

@kjprodouctions9050

10 ай бұрын

@@noahcoleman5556 my bad

@jonathankenton7182

10 ай бұрын

He drove the 38 which was really the renumbered 28.

@LessGo7921

10 ай бұрын

@@jonathankenton7182 no wonder why he was cursed. So was David Gilliand when Kyle Busch and JGR stole the M&M’s sponsorship for him 😂

I absolute agree with you about this crash. I was watching the race live at the time and even the broadcasters were questioning why there were no shots covering that accident. Elliott Sadler was a beast. He took quite a few hits in his career. I liked him.

I think the reason they didn't show any other footage of the wreck is because of the engine. The fact that the engine made it all the way towards the transition between grass and the asphalt meant that the engine flew from Sadler's initial impact. I think when he spun off of the inside wall, the engine flew immediately, and NASCAR didn't want the fans to see an engine flying towards the track and, more importantly, the drivers. They didn't want to show the fans the flaws and dangers of the COT, so that's why they hid the footage. I mean, why else would the cut away from the only angle of the crash? It's because that's when the engine flew away from the car. Just my thought, but who knows if that was the case or not.

@DarkVoid718

10 ай бұрын

Myatt Snider's engine came off during his Daytona flip last year and got hit by Matt Mills

@jonmorse670

3 ай бұрын

The entire Pocono race track is flawed even to this day it has areas that dart out from the infield you can hit almost head on.

NASCAR's fear of airing Sadler injured or even dead was the reason we never saw other angles. After Dale's death they stopped showing replay's right away. Even the Preece wreck this weekend took a very long time before they showed the replay. When there was confirmation he was moving they probably got the all clear to show it. Ryan Newman at Daytona, same thing. Both my kids watched Marco Simmochelli of MotoGP die on live TV, those replay's are ingrained into their minds. Same with dissecting Dan Wheldon's replay's before announcing his passing. Networks know better to just replay serious wrecks now.

@zippoboy00

9 ай бұрын

I'm sorry your kids had to see that. I was a teen when Greg Moore died in '99, and it really changed my outlook on motorsports. I finally understood people could really actually DIE doing it, and sometimes they die in wrecks you think they'd walk away from, like Dale. Dan Wheldon's death was a real black mark on IndyCar because of how they handled it, and them taking so damn long to either postpone or cancel the race.

@ryanfreebody6881

9 ай бұрын

I was a kid watching Dale race, I never figured out why he was taking so long to get out of the car. Wasn't until I see the slow moving ambulance that I realised. My old dear said they move like that if a broken back or neck, or death. The reactions of everyone around his car told me what I needed to know. I felt for my old man, lost his hero Senna in 94, then Dale in 01. Took both of their deaths to sort safety out, like the rest who died didn't matter. Absolutely tragic.

@heliodango43

7 ай бұрын

I remember seeing tomizawa dying on live i was 11 y/o they showed all the angles bro and then simoncelli 2011 i was supporting like crazy both riders and seeing those replays on live was very hard.

@mesc681

6 ай бұрын

Whats really fucked up is even after dan wheldons death got announced they showed it and analyzed it again and even pointed out the fatal part of the wreck

@jiboo6850

5 ай бұрын

in F1 too! they have order to turn the cams away when a crash happens. but only the ones that are connected to broadcast. they "FIA" have cameras that are only for them. sometimes we can get few seconds like for Antoine Hubert at Spa in 2018 or 19. but never more than that. the only time they failed to look away is for Grosjean's crash in Barhain 2020. they replayed the F out of it and even drivers and staff members were pissed at the Track's management and they have been fined for doing so. when i saw Grosjean walking out of the fire it was unreal! Terminator like scene. because since Ayrton's and Roland's deaths, showing everything on broadcast is prohibited by the FIA. i guess they did the same after Dale's death. would be understandable. but we have to say that yes, NASCAR has cameras only for them too. so they know but they don't want us to know.

I was in an Iracing lobby with Elliot Sadler like 2 years ago and asked him if he ever got to see the crash from a good angle and he left me on read :(

@s.s.chapter2219

10 ай бұрын

Yeah he got the best angle Knocked the wind clear out of him... Probably tired of hearing about it? Like Ryan Blaney after his head first crash doing 190 this past weekend? How long was he regaining his composure for? Just in the car breathing? That's not something you really wanna think about all of the time? Some drivers get the fear... like Rickey Bobby? Steve Park? If he could just stay out of accidents? Like Dale Jr running to go make sure he was okay? He was racing with a concussion already? Same track?

@s.s.chapter2219

10 ай бұрын

I can't be for certain, but I think Steve walked away from racing after that Pocono flip

@Jmeon4eva

10 ай бұрын

​@@s.s.chapter2219Pocono has always been one if the most dangerous tracks.

@montrellhoward7689

10 ай бұрын

@@s.s.chapter2219steve raced for a couple of seasons after

@Cancelthis1541

10 ай бұрын

@@s.s.chapter2219 Sounds like Swede Savage back at Indy in the 70's. Bad crash. he walked away bur died less than a month later. I think it was some infection. I was a big fan of his. Git his autograph at the old Ontario Motor Speedway.

On the Dale Jr. Download recently, Donnie Allison said that he once saw alternate footage of the infamous last lap of the 1979 Daytona 500, which the public has never seen. It does seem that NASCAR has more video of races than has ever been broadcast.

Somebody gotta do an interview with Sadler abt what happened during the wreck. Esp if he flipped. It helps that he was conscious during the wreck

@dirtyair6305

10 ай бұрын

I’ve talked to him about it, he doesn’t know what happened, happened fast and was over before he realized what happened. He’s never seen any footage either.

@alex9_12

10 ай бұрын

They did this with Sadler was a few days after kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZGytupeNp5jRlM4.htmlsi=WCeP_8zSe3t1R2QD

@Fandom_Junkie

10 ай бұрын

I thought he already was interviewed by some news show in the days afterward

@vtec5862

10 ай бұрын

​@@Fandom_Junkiehe said the car pirouetted on its nose briefly iirc but thats about it

@STICKGUYMB

10 ай бұрын

​@@vtec5862yep, he's been interviewed publicly about it.

As an insider, I can tell you that your suspicions are not unfounded. Having worked in racing for over 25 years from my families Indycar team to NASCAR and IMSA and F1. The sanctioning bodies have become hyper protective to the point of making them look worse by not sharing the information. When I worked for Bill Simpson at the racetrack, I built almost all the drivers helmets. We would send a shell out to their painters, Jason Beam, Nick Pastura, etc and then they would ship the painted shell to me at the tracks and I would reconstruct their helmets. Add the snell foam insert, cheek pads, rubber gasket around the eye port and base of the helmet and then install their preferred visor, and any customization needed, like Dale Jr has a bump on the back of his head (the way his skull is shaped) so I would have to carve out some foam in that part of the helmet to make it more comfortable for him. So on and so on. I drove a 28 foot trailer to all the races and parked in the garage next to the series haulers. So whenever serious crashes happen one of the first things they did was to bring me the helmets involved where I would inspect them for damage, also right after Dale Sr,,'s death Bill Simpson and I and NASA worked to make a helmet restraint system called the Decelerator. You can see many of the drivers using part of our original design still today instead of the HAN's device. Like Larson. The thing about these crashes that NASCAR still doesn't seem to understand is that in a wreck, there are multiple crashes happening, you hit the wall with the car, your body hits the inside of the car, and your brain hits the inside of your skull! No matter what speed you wreck at. The reason that they probably don't want the Jeff Gordon hit seen by anyone is most likely that even with the HAN's device, his neck still probably hyper extended. Not to a serious point, but enough to raise questions by viewers and other drivers especially. Anyway, great video. Keep up the great detective work.

@eddiemclean7011

4 ай бұрын

Have you seen the new technology that some football players are using that puts minor pressure on the brain encasement by slightly hindering bloodlow at the neck with a band? Supposedly the same thing that protects woodpeckers while they hammer into wood.

I don’t think there’s anything that was attempting to be hidden with this crash. You hit the nail on the head when you brought up Gordon’s crash in 08 and it was a split second decision when no one knew what Sadlers condition was and out of respect for him withheld airing the footage.

@sprolyborn2554

9 ай бұрын

Which is fine but that doesn't explain why it was never released after the fact.

@Ksoism

5 ай бұрын

I kind of don't get why they would not show the footage if they had it? In motorsports, there is always guys making errors, cars and parts breaking etc. It wouldn't be huge news. It happens, it has happened, it will always happen. There needs to be a reason for conspiracy, something that you are trying to hide in this case. I can't see what it would be. Probably human operated cameras were fixed on the first crash. I dunno.

@Bumafa

3 ай бұрын

​@@Ksoismprobs not human operated

2:56 is really funny now because I know exactly what crash they're referring to but thats definitely not going to be "Preece's crash" anymore since the Daytona wreck is definitely going to replace Kansas for hid most infamous wreck

@Nascarfan1896

10 ай бұрын

I had to do a double take there too, I was like, "Wait this video was edited last night???". Then I saw that the comment was two years ago lol.

@Radium_Alarie

10 ай бұрын

I agree; that impact at Kansas was brutal, but the way that roll just went on and on and kept bouncing him so high up was something else

@johnschnellbach986

10 ай бұрын

Too many other people will keep it on KZread.

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

Sup Martin, also definitely agree

@mtchcrtrmm9299

10 ай бұрын

I was thinking that too! Of course his Daytona flip might be the crash of the decade but that Kansas wreck in 2020 was awful too. One of the hardest hits I've ever seen live.

The part about Sadler saying he flipped higher than the catchfence at Michigan is what shocked me the most. Like, I'm trying to imagine what that would even look like but can't. Which I mean, exactly the reason NASCAR would want to conceal it lol. Great video

@peppyluscious

10 ай бұрын

Also really makes me wonder what kind of NDAs NASCAR has with drivers, crew, and cameramen these days.

@MJM541977

10 ай бұрын

I wonder how high Preece got too. Just to compare how high Sadler may have gotten. YIKES.

@peppyluscious

10 ай бұрын

@@MJM541977 For real. Hamlin on his last podcast said it straight up looked like Preece could've cleared a one-story house

@packisbetter90

10 ай бұрын

Im sure preece got at least 20 feet

@mesc681

6 ай бұрын

@@MJM541977at least part of preeces car had to go over the fence

The 2007 David Reutimann crash at California Speedway is also quite a mystery, as there were never any outside angles of the actual impact. You should do another video like this one on this crash as well.

Strangely enough, two of Sadler's major crashes in his career (this incident here plus his 2000 Michigan flip) were only partially captured, unless NASCAR really does have the full footage of both wrecks somewhere.

Additionally other wreck angles were withheld were Larson’s last lap crash at the 2015 Daytona, Allgaier/Gililand Kansas 2014, and Logano Indy RC 2021. All these angles were later shown on Racehub in compilations of highlights but were never recorded and put on KZread. Additionally Kyle Larson flip at Talladega the perfect angle inside turn 2 was frozen at the moment of impact for seconds and the production never once let it play And then cut away from it. This crash specifically I feel would be another good one to analyze

@nascarfan4888JJ

10 ай бұрын

I’ll definitely look into it.

@crystaljon

10 ай бұрын

You mean Dillon?

@demonracer2

10 ай бұрын

@@crystaljon no I’m talking about the 2015 Daytona 500

@MrJohansen

10 ай бұрын

​​@@nascarfan4888JJ there was also a helicopter view of Larson's flip that was shown briefly on a fox sports YT stream during the race, but was shown in a small window so it's hard to make out much. They never showed that view on the broadcast, despite the fact that the camera was looking directly at Larson during the flipping. They also didn't show the rest of the S/F line angle, just a little bit in the middle of the crash, not the start or the end They also did not show the outside wall Turn 2 view They did not show any of the stationary backstretch views On radioactive, they briefly showed the inside wall turn 2 angle but not much They also briefly showed the end of the flip from the turn 3 elevated backstretch view on radioactive They didn't show the inside wall backstretch angle (it didn't follow the crash initially but it might have looked back to catch the flipping like the previously mentioned camera did, we dont know for sure) They didn't show any onboards of the crash iirc (they might've shown one, I think ty Dillon but it didn't catch much. There might've been other onboards that they had available but didn't show on the broadcast) Definitely worth a video, please do take a look into it

@anthonylaudano9435

6 ай бұрын

​@nascarfan4888JIF IF SADLER DIDN'T HAVE A HANS DEVICE ON HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED.

I remember watching this live. If I remember correctly, it's been confirmed that NASCAR has G-Force data from this wreck and classifies it as the hardest impact in (recorded) NASCAR history. I can see both sides being completely true; it wouldn't surprise me at all that NASCAR not only hides additional footage but also puts some sort of NDA in place with anyone involved to not talk about the nitty gritty details either. As a long time fan though, there isn't a replay that I've wanted to see more than the replay of this exact wreck. Fantastic video and insight by the way! Really enjoyed this!

Elliott Sadler, 2010 Pocono wreck was one of the scariest wrecks in NASCAR history

@GearGuardianGaming

10 ай бұрын

Did you see it? If so, do tell. Give details as well as you can please.

@kaedenguerzo

10 ай бұрын

@@GearGuardianGaming they should’ve pay camera attention to Elliott Sadler, instead of Kurt Busch

I have thought this for a long time now, that someone captured the view via someones on-board camera You coveree all the views and ideas that i have had over the years. Great video.

I recorded the 2001 Daytona 500. They showed footage of Dale Earnhardt's inside camera of the crash and his crew chief talking to him saying "Dale. You ok Dale?" You will never see that footage ever again considering they were showing a dead man.

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

Gonna guess that recording is on VHS or something, right? Just saying, if I was you, I'd put that recording in a safe and bury that shit. Worst case scenario is that it ends up in someone else's hands (if that person has a VHS tape or means to get the recording off it) and they watch it and then have the boneheaded idea to publish it somewhere

@anthonynelson9136

9 ай бұрын

@@AlanNadeauIII I have that full race recorded on VHS. I never thought of publishing it on the internet.

@AlanNadeauIII

9 ай бұрын

Damn@@anthonynelson9136

@matthewsimon9500

9 ай бұрын

During the 2001 Daytona 500 dale sr only had two on board cameras. A hood cam and a bumper cam. He did not have a in car camera during that race.

@MarkPentler

7 ай бұрын

Someone has some explaining to do

Its time for Nascar to release the footage. We're 2 generations of car past this era. Pocono has been updated and modernized for a decade now. There is no reason to hide this anymore (same with Gordon's Vegas crash. It was over 15 years ago, hes fine, and the track has been updated for a long time).

@seanheaney8303

3 ай бұрын

It's not about that. If you tell a lie or hide something and then suddenly go around telling people you ruin your own credibility. If you were willing to do it once or many times you would do it again. It's a bad look for a company/ business or person. That's exactly why it hasn't been released and probably won't be in this life time. Maybe 50 years from now but definitely not anytime soon.

You hit the nail right on the head when you refer to NASCAR burying footage that illustrates unsafe track conditions. Good work. This requires further investigation.

12:00 I believe Timothy Peter's wreck at Texas would also fit this situation because he had a cockpit cam also.

THANK YOU! im glad you mentioned sadlers 2000 michigan crash and nascar hiding the footage of his car going higher then the catch fence. i remember sadler made a tweet about this!

This does make a lot of sense. I never thought that it wasnt captured on camera, just that Nascar didnt want that footage out there. Gotta protect the brand and partnerships.

@villain6634

10 ай бұрын

Yeah and also the fact a race track Is loud and confusing. I was at gateway in 2023 on the front stretch in like the 17th row and only saw a little bit of gragsons failure. If you see Kurt wrecking first it may become easy to miss sadlers

@blakeandrews9496

10 ай бұрын

i think it has more to do with respecting the drivers’ privacy when their health was at risk. Gordon asked to see the footage himself yet has never called for them to release it publicly. imo it’s probably because there’s no reason to let the public see it, and they investigate this kinda shit like crazy so i’m sure it’s still being used to advance safety however it can

Great video. The extent of your research does not go unnoticed. Hope your account gets the traffic it deserves!

This also goes for Bruce Jacobi. The replay that we know had focused on something else before turning to Jacobi. But there were 2 more cameras for the backstretch around turn 2 at Daytona. This was the wide shot from somewhere high in the infield to get a view from the back as cars pass by, and one facing the turn itself.

I remember watching this live on tv and couldn't believe there were no better replays. I understand not showing them until they find out if the driver is ok.

@GearGuardianGaming

10 ай бұрын

I doubt thats the reason. Its the same censorship across all sports. Look at WWE, for example. Used to be common to show bad (beer, bad language/gestures, supporting organized crime (NWO, GEN X, etc.)). Now its not even common to see someone with a broken bone. No one swears anymore. NASCAR used to show wrecks regardless of how bad they were (prime example: Russell Phillips (RIP)). Now they pick and choose.

That backstretch wall has always been a problem. I recall watching that crash and anytime an engine gets torn out of a race car, it isn't good. And looking even further back in history of that backstretch wall, Davey Allison had a terrible wreck with that wall. The old wall that was there prior to Elliots crash was different and absolutely shredded Davey's #28 to pieces. That was a very scary wreck to watch and was televised and replayed over and over even before knowing whether or not Davey was injured or worse.

@desert_hunter83

10 ай бұрын

Yeah that was a really bad wreck 😮😟

I really hope an angle of this crash surfaces one day

@dandahl5964

10 ай бұрын

Why? Whats the point

@jason-zx2ju

10 ай бұрын

@@dandahl5964just to make us happy

@jjmav9

4 ай бұрын

@@dandahl5964So that we actually know what happened? The only thing we know is that he hit the wall insanely hard.

It still amazes me that Sadler survived that impact as well as he did! That guardrail/dirt wall impact was extremely violent and then to end up that far back out into the track😲

I always thought the lack of footage was odd. This wasn't the 70s/early 80s, where 'no footage ' was commonplace.

Marty Reid: Kurt's getting the worst of it John Cena: Are you sure about that?

@michaellavin6417

10 ай бұрын

When I watched this video, I kept focusing on that, in retrospect, asinine statement. A better-trained, and definitely a more experienced announcer, would not have made such a definitive statement until he and his crew in the booth had observed anything that happened behind Busch.

I was in the infield that day on the exit of turn 1. I remember in our field of vision seeing the contact with Kurt and him throwing up dirt. Then a group of guys standing on top a truck yelled out, “holy shit, he flipped.” I thought they were talking about Kurt at the time. Given how Elliot’s car looks I don’t think it flipped. But those guys on the truck had a much better view than myself and there’s no video disproving their theory. Unfortunately, I was so close to the crash and yet unable to see it.

If we make a big enough deal out of this, there's always a chance nascar might notice and show us the footage of the other angles, whether or not those angles actually captured the wreck This is a call to action boys, let nascar know we want to see all the footage. F1 does something similar with their "all the angles" videos, so something of this concept is not entirely out of the question

I actually also believe that NASCAR deliberately withheld footage of Richard Petty's 1988 Daytona flip. The camera that recorded the crash live and that was used in the replay (The one overlooking the exit of turn 4 entering the tri-oval) actually showed the whole crash and it's on KZread somewhere. It clearly shows Petty being spun out, blowing over and sailing across the track on his nose before hitting the catchfence and flipping. But the replay during the broadcast is deliberately cut to omit the blow over. This is likely because this was the first Daytona 500 that used restrictor plates after Bobby Allison flew into the catch fence a year before. Showing yet another blowover during a time of much scrutiny for NASCAR was probably a huge concern at the time since they wanted everyone to feel safer because of the new restrictor plates.

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

Yea that'd make sense

In 75 Years NASCAR has censored several crashes, not showing on board cameras or clear angles of really hard crashes, and I think they should have stopped doing it a long time ago.

@410cultivar

10 ай бұрын

Youre insane. What if it had evidence of foul play? At the very least it can help prevent crashes, seeing what went wrong

@410cultivar

10 ай бұрын

Folk like you are why the worlds gone to shit. You think its acceptable to censor everything in the name if decency, safety, and purity. And its all bullshit. Life is dangerous, mean and scary. Hiding it does nothing but make soft, entitled, adults

@DebbieOnTheSpot

10 ай бұрын

Sheep can't handle the truth. Sadly America is full of sheep now.

@Blood-PawWerewolf

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. The Nascar Classics website has the 2001 Daytona 500 completely missing (because Dale Sr.) and the 2020 Daytona 500 has an alternate camera angle when Newman’s horrific crash happened.

@Blood-PawWerewolf

10 ай бұрын

@@410cultivarit’s more of an public image thing than just hiding things.

There was a serious injury in a practice crash back in the late 70s and a photographer who was photographing the car being loaded on the hauler had his film taken away from him. They'll cover up what they can and always have.

It would've been cool if nascar did show the hood view of Jeff Gordon's crash all the through instead of cutting it but at least we saw Ryan Blaney's wreck on Saturday at Daytona which could give us an idea how Sadler wrecked.

@homelessrickybobby7330

10 ай бұрын

Ryan blaney a Daytona hit isn’t at all like sadlers hit

@travisburton2948

10 ай бұрын

In Blaneys hit you could see the wall deform and absorb 2 feet of energy, still a vicious hit, but nowhere near a vertical angle hit into an earthen enbankment. He probably looked like Jello for a split second.

For now, the only thing we know for sure is that Kurt definitely didn't get the worst of it btw great video

@kylewagoner

10 ай бұрын

Well, not until years later. Pocono caught up with him.

Great video and I like the theories. I’ve always been curious about in car cameras and how some only have certain cameras, and even how it appears on the broadcast that they only have one section of camera at a given time (i.e. Gordon’s 2008 LV crash). I’ve found over the years that the one camera only at a time (at least on the actual broadcast) to rob the viewer of what could be a better view of a specific crash or event, yet we never see those views. Keep it up!

@MarkPentler

7 ай бұрын

Part of the issue may be that a car can have multiple cameras but only one output. Sometimes the switching is done in the car itself, remotely. When NFJJ shows you the line-up of cameras at 3:40 ish you can sometimes see a little "jump" or picture roll as the angle switches from the in-car to the front bumper view. This is a non-synced cut, which is a good indicator. Probably activating a relay.

@MarkPentler

7 ай бұрын

Which, incidentally, is something NFJJ needs to consider around 5:15 - if those in-car feeds were switched to the inside view and not the bumper view that time, you're never seeing it. It doesn't exist.

There’s footage of Austin Dillon’s terrifying crash so I don’t get why there isn’t any of Elliott Sadler

@ACHonezGaming

10 ай бұрын

My guess is that it was too public, and everybody had cameras out. Plus it was on the front stretch. There was no hiding it. However, Sadler wreak was when cell phones couldn't take great video still. So it gave them some room to hide what happened.

@truckercowboyed2638

10 ай бұрын

​@@ACHonezGamingheck 2010 I believe we were still on Android 2.0 or something very early build......I remember because I had a Motorola Droid in 2010 lol

@tylermathis-kx7pu

10 ай бұрын

That happened in plain view of the broadcast cameras. No hiding that!

@Bumafa

3 ай бұрын

​@@tylermathis-kx7puthey didn't hide sadler's wreck they just didn't get it

For obvious reasons, it wouldn’t be shown, but I’d imagine that it’s possible that there is in-car footage of Dale Earnhardt in the 2001 Daytona 500. He had the usual on board cameras that day and that usually includes the in-car. The argument that Gordon’s Las Vegas wreck’s in-car was withheld because of Gordon’s body being “disturbing” kinda leans in that direction. As far as the video’s subject accident, I’d be surprised if Sadler was never interviewed about the wreck because of how much mystery there is to it. If not, Dale Jr. get on it. (Thinking about it at the very least he must have had a post-exit interview after he left the infield care centre).

@ryanfreebody6881

9 ай бұрын

There is and was shown live, the wreck included. Even hear his crew asking if he's okay.

@Atari2600Gamer

5 ай бұрын

I swear I saw the in car camera clip from Dale's Daytona wreck here on youtube back in the late 2000's. I think it was on a compilation of fatal racing wrecks. I vividly remember it showed him hit the wall, jerk forward and then he just kinda went limp. Haven't seen the same clip anywhere else

Interesting. I was a little surprised they showed Blaney's incar at Daytona. It is probably the most accurate replay that could give us an idea of what the in car of Earnhardt Sr fatal wreck looked like. Blaney was thrown forward very hard and thats with the safer wall basically getting compacted to its limit and him wearing a hans device. Really telling on what Dale Sr went through.

@louisberkowitz4350

10 ай бұрын

They've showed roof camera footage of Dale's wreck many times :(

@jesuschristislord6790

10 ай бұрын

@@louisberkowitz4350 So?

@jerryhand8538

10 ай бұрын

The worst thing with Dale Sr is a safety harness broke on impact with the wall ! That crash changed NASCAR it has never been the same after that ! We all had our favorite drivers but he was the INTIMADATOR !!! When that black 3 was up front now that was a race !

@ryanfreebody6881

9 ай бұрын

​@@louisberkowitz4350the showed the inside one live. But, that's probably long buried and gone. Someone did mention they recorded the race and have the footage, someone told them to Bury it.

Hello, Nfjj i have to first applaud you for going this in depth. However as a current NASCAR employee in the media library and i pull footage from our archive everyday. I have even pulled for this actual race. I can tell you first hand that what you see on the this broadcast is what we have.

I remember posting the clip of the TV footage on my page that evening. That night, there was a video posted by a fan from the infield. It really wasn't the greatest angle ever, it was actually worse than TV. But it did show the front of the car and the engine in the air for a brief moment. The video was removed very, very shortly after it was uploaded. Then about 10 days later, there was another video uploaded that was obviously in the infield near the crash but it was up like it was on a platform. Possibly from where the camera crews are. And it showed Sadler coming in hot as hell, smack the wall, bounce back and immediately started spinning counter clockwise in the air like a top for about 3 rotations(hard to tell with the dust) with the front end slightly elevated/car was at a slight angle with the front elevated. The car then came back down pretty flush and spun about 3 more times up towards the track. The engine broke free, but it stayed pretty close to the car. That video was gone probably 2 hours after it was uploaded. Surely somebody had to have downloaded it but I never saw it again.

@MrJohansen

10 ай бұрын

Do you remember the name of any of the users/groups/pages these videos were posted to? Perhaps the wayback machine archived these videos. It's very unlikely but not impossible

@AnthonyStatenMusic

3 ай бұрын

You're lying/misremembering. The countless NASCAR fan forums that were active at the time (Rubbins Racing, The Hot Lap, the old Carl Long website, etc.) would have been all over such a thing. There was nothing.

One thing you are wrong about: Those cameras in the turns were not manned by cameramen. It would have been far too unsafe to do so. Those cameras were remotely controlled in the truck. Since the truck crew was primarily focused on Kurt, it is entirely possible that those remote cameras were not pointed in the direction of the wreck. Simple fact is that anyone who has worked in broadcasting, especially sports broadcasting, will tell you that mistakes happen every broadcast. A good crew will hide those mistakes, but now and then you see them, and this was one of those instances.

You definitely put forward a plausible theory about there being additional video footage of this accident that has not been made publicly available. NASCAR's TV partners were using enough cameras even 10 years earlier to make it highly unlikely that TV didn't get more footage of this wreck. While it is understandable that ESPN would have wanted to err on the side of caution when it came to showing some of those angles until Sadler's condition was known, they could have chosen to show additional footage after finding out that he wasn't seriously injured.

@mesc681

10 ай бұрын

I bet thats what they wouldve done cuz its not disturbing anymore once we know hes ok

@sirmonkey1985

10 ай бұрын

@@mesc681 oh it is if you watch it frame by frame as he hits the wall you can see the start of his body movement in the vehicle before it zooms closer to kurt.. that wreck legit looked like another Dale Earnhardt if it wasn't for the Hans restraint. end of the day you have to remember that you have tons of kids watching the races and a wreck like that even though they might not understand it they'll understand it when they see their parents/adults/etc reaction to the wreck. not to mention their family watching the broadcast, if your family member was the one driving would you want to see that on live tv? if you want a comparison, look at Denny's crash when he broke his back(can't remember the race/year). that one they showed the entire wreck and that'll give you an idea of what Sadler experienced. also KB's head on crash is another one.

@mesc681

10 ай бұрын

@@sirmonkey1985 denny hamlin was auto club 2013. ive seen all of those. And you got a good point about the kids but if they had a further angle they couldve/wouldve showed it from that. EDIT: That tells me maybe the camera at the end of the straightaway missed it cause i think that wouldve been the best angle to show it from to keep it from being disturbing EDIT 2: the part about kids and families watching makes sense so thanks for that perspective. (I was 6 when this wreck happened btw) But i still doubt anything wouldve stopped ESPN from showing it cause they showed Dan wheldons wreck again after they knew he was dead and even pointed out the fatal impact. (Glad i didnt see that live) Plus after this wreck they showed elliott wincing in pain and falling after he got out so yeah i dont think espn cared about not being disturbing.

I think part of the reasoning for the lack of footage was the explosion of debris from the front of Sadler's car. Being that they were trying to push the safety of COT at the time, having footage of front suspension, a wheel and a full engine being thrown from the front end of a badly damaged car probably wasn't what they wanted to show. Not so much for the safety of the driver, but more for the safety of other competitors and spectators. The fact is the impact of the incident is actually shown, it's the footage of the aftermath prior to everything coming to rest that's been withheld.

I believe it all. I believe I still have a VHS Tape of the live recording of Daytona when Dale died. Only once did they show footage from a Camera on the Wall right at the point of impact. Every other angle looks like an easy accident. That one gave me chills.... This angle gave the clearest footage of the bump, and how fast he went from the bottom to the wall because there was no more zoom... It was right there.... I completely understand why they did not ever release / show that footage again. If someone could enhance it, you could could possibly be looking through the Windshield....

@AnthonyStatenMusic

3 ай бұрын

That angle has been in several documentaries over the years. Pretty sure it's in The Day.

Dude, great video. Very well thought out and presented. I remember that race for sure! My roommate at the time was a big Elliot Sadler fan and the room went quiet. We all let out a big sigh when it was announced that he was ok. Then we celebrated that fact that Kurt Busch was out of the race.

I was at this race and have pictures of the car coming back into the pits on a separate flatbed from the engine. I don't think it was a conspiracy as much as the cameras and telecast was distracted by Kurt Busch's wreck, on top of no one knowing exactly how badly hurt Elliot Sadler was. You saw the TV footage of him slow to get out of the car - he was hurt, and we all didn't know how bad (or good) shape he was at the time. Conspiracy? No. Respect for the driver? Yes.

Something a lot of people don't understand regarding in-car cameras: The broadcast team typically doesn't have the ability to select between different angles on the same car during replays. Let's say you have a roof, bumper, and interior camera on a car. We'll call those angles 1A, 1B, and 1C. There's a camera operator whose job is to pick which of those 3 angles is "active" at any given time, even if the TV broadcast isn't currently using a shot from that particular car. When the broadcast decides "go to car 1," what ends up on air is at the mercy of the camera operator's decisions regarding which of those 3 angles to use. Since that's all happening in real-time, when they show a replay, it'll be the same combination of angles as what the camera operator decided to do in the first place. Think of it like you're recording something on your TV, and you change channels. When you rewind the footage, you can't go back to the channel you were watching before, you're going to see the channel change in the same spot. Go watch any crash where they're on a roof cam when the wreck first happens, if they switch to a bumper cam mid-wreck, you'll see that switch happen every time they show the replay from that car. So if the camera operators on McMurray and Earnhardt's cars didn't happen to be on the bumper cam at the time of Sadler's crash, they wouldn't have caught it. Same with the replay of Gordon's Las Vegas wreck. As far as I'm concerned, Sadler's story of the Michigan flip is the equivalent of an old fisherman telling a story where the fish magically gets bigger every time the story gets told. There's simply nothing in the available footage that indicates the car ever got that high. No grass to dig into, rolling downhill, and the car stayed side-over-side the whole time. The roof cam doesn't show the nose getting much higher than the top of the wall, and the far shot is clearly panning to the right to catch the wreck when it first starts. It was a non-televised practice session in 2000, they probably had very few camera people even working. Literally the only thing I'm curious about with the Pocono crash is the turn 2 camera pointing down the backstretch. That should've caught it.

Well done video! Just glad Elliott (and Kurt) were ok. You've obviously put a lot of time into this and have to say I agree with everything you've discovered. Have you tried to interview any of the drivers around the wreck or maybe even track down some camera or TV people? One good contact could open up a whole can of worms. Another option is finding a "raw feed" recording of the race (if one is available). Sometimes, they have different footage than show on TV or during the commercials they run through replays (sometimes much later in the race). I've even heard the talking heads and producers making notes. Just an idea.

I think there are a couple reasons why there hasn’t been a replay of this crash released. One that I for sure agree on is the lack of the safety features at Pocono and how this crash exposes the track using earth as a barrier for the inside wall and lack of fencing on the outside wall. I think the height in which Sadler’s car got well exceeded that of the outside wall and would have raised the issue of the car sailing out of the track had the car flown further towards the outside wall. Something that I find interesting is how the engine block is dislodged from the car. Has something like that occurred in crashes before during Nascar’s car of tomorrow age or would this incident have been the first?

@roadgeek09

10 ай бұрын

Yes, it has Geoff Bodine in the truck race at Daytona in 2000 the engine come out of the truck that was one awful crash. Everybody thought he had died

Dale Earnhardt crash is the biggest NASCAR secret ever.

@RandomBassBoosts

Ай бұрын

Exactly

Drivers have complained for years about inner barriers having bad angles

It makes me wonder about Ryan Preece’s crash this weekend. That was one of the scariest wrecks I’ve ever seen and I’ve never seen so my angles and videos of one crash. That car was higher than the catchfence too

The camera that was on Sadler's crash has the footage. The director cut from it in the replay because they didn't want to show it. But of course they have the footage. The camera op would have followed the Sadler car to completion.

@MarkPentler

7 ай бұрын

Not if that camera wasn't being ISO-recorded. This is a key detail everyone seems to miss.

@marklittle8805

7 ай бұрын

@@MarkPentler just about every camera in a modern TV truck is recorded. Replay decks are cheap......

I think there is evidence of the crash and what exactly happened, especially because I remember them saying it was the hardest hit in NASCAR history, but why they’ve never released I don’t know. My personal theory is that Sadler got airborne and maybe even flipped, just going off the angle and how hard he hit. I hope one day either video of this crash surfaces or someone asks Sadler about it so we know exactly what happened.

@jamesmorin7343

10 ай бұрын

He didn't flip (that would have dissipated more of the energy of the impact, honestly). He kind of 'flat spun' out toward turn 2. I was at the race - unfortunately I only had a still camera and didn't capture the wreck itself, but witnessed it from the grandstands.

@sprolyborn2554

9 ай бұрын

I don't think he went airborne. There are a couple frames in this video where you can see marks in the grass going all the way to the wall.

Why would the crash footage create backlash for NASCAR? I get how it would be a bad look for Pocono, but I would think that showing that the driver walked out unscathed after such a horrific crash would only show that the car was in fact safe.

Some of these camera angles seem to remote and not ran by an operator on the camera so it’s entirely possible the cameras controller in the “truck” is operating a few at once… and not focused properly all lap.

I think I can explain why Dale Jr and McMurray didn’t have video of it. Though someone in the industry can say otherwise because this is only based on observation from being an avid fan since 2005. The 8 cars that were selected for broadcast cameras in a race had multiple cameras onboard, but they only had one camera FEED to the production truck. My guess is each of the 8 cars had someone actively choosing which of the camera angles in their car was selected to be fed to the production switcher. Whatever was fed to the production was what was saved for replay. The car camera operators for McMurray and Jr. were likely choosing cameras that Sadler was out of frame on. This practice is entirely different now since the CoT days. Replays today are far better at showing relevant camera angles because it’s not one feed be per car, but each camera has its own feed. Just my thoughts and observations. Love the video!

Another case of "missing footage" is, in the IndyCar world, the fatal crash of Tony Renna. There are all kinds of rumors about that, the main one being that Renna's car, on going airborne, penetrated the crash fence and even the seats in the grandstand, with some of the debris actually reaching the street (Georgetown Road, if you know the Indy Motor Speedway you can picture it in your mind). There is some security camera footage of debris in the street and being cleaned up. That I've seen. One can imagine what happened to Renna, but the rumor has it on the level of Russell Phillips or Francois Cevert, or worse. This happened in an off-season practice with no one in the grandstand, but I guess no one wants to present to the public the idea of an IndyCar taking off like a cruise missile, going through the fence, the grandstands and landing in the street happening on a race day with a people actually in the seats. We don't actually need to see the gruesome footage of Renna's crash, but by suppressing any information on the crash only makes us believe the worst rumors. In the case of Sadler, no one was killed and there was not even a threat to spectators in the crash, so why would they bother to suppress the footage?

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

Like he said, Car of Tomorrow & safety.

@RRaquello

10 ай бұрын

@@AlanNadeauIII I see it the other way, as an endorsement of the car of tomorrow. Like with the Michael McDowell crash at Texas, the fact that a driver could have such a bad crash and come away with no worse than bumps & bruises helps prove the worth of the COT. Compare it to Ricky Knotts crash at Daytona, where the car hit at the almost the same angle and Knotts was killed. Then we could hear, "This shows how far we have come with safety", etc. More reason to show the footage once Sadler came through it all right.

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

@@RRaquello Yes, that's true, but Sadler was shown getting out of the car in pain

@MrJohansen

10 ай бұрын

​​@@RRaquello He explained it in the video it's a bad look for pocono It's a bad look for nascar by letting them run at an unsafe track They both would benefit by suppressing any footage

@RRaquello

10 ай бұрын

@@MrJohansen Yeah, I guess when it happened 20 years ago, but what harm could it do now, if such footage even exists.

They thought he died. The Director in the truck - not the cameraman - cut away, which happens in all sports and news when there's a gruesome injury or potential loss of life. Why the footage never came out, who knows.

Building a pocket like that in the infield is almost criminal. You know sooner or later someone is going in there and it will be bad or fatal.

Tony Rennas crash was supposedly caught on a security camera at indy. But the the Indy Racing League destroyed that footage.

@roadgeek09

10 ай бұрын

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Tony Renna’s car completely go in the grandstand

@T.N.D.88

10 ай бұрын

@@roadgeek09 it did.

@frankfarms83

10 ай бұрын

@@roadgeek09and pieces….. of him 😬

@Dougie1969

10 ай бұрын

I can honestly understand destroying it in that capacity. Although i don't condone it

@SamuelLiu2001

10 ай бұрын

You sure

While watching this i just noticed in kurts onboard rear view that you can make out a big object flying and landing in the background.

You forgot one camera angle event. 2001 Daytona 500 Tony Stewart crash and red flag. This was Fox's first broadcast. They came out of commercial break and cars were still hitting each other. They switched to Tony's in-car and you could see his head slumped down and arm just hanging there to the side. They cut away real quick when he wasn't moving. They NEVER showed that again. Sadly about 45 mins to an hour later that crash was overshadowed and forgotten.

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

Wow

@frevazz3364

10 ай бұрын

That was a vicious wreck and could have cost him his life. And then what happened later....

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

@@frevazz3364 Yep

@frevazz3364

10 ай бұрын

@@AlanNadeauIII I think Tony said years later that he either hit his head on the steering wheel or felt he almost broke him neck. Don't remember exactly as it was so long ago but the gist was he thought that was it for him.

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

@@frevazz3364 Damn

Here's to hoping we get some good footage of the wreck one day.

If he Flipped the roof would be more damaged, he probably hit with the rear so hard that the momentun of hiting that he went on his side and almost flipped.

@mesc681

10 ай бұрын

I think it mightve looked like ryan preeces wreck at kansas in 2020 but elliott was in the air longer and he got higher

@TheJensenisawesome

10 ай бұрын

He could’ve still flipped and just done a rotation while in mid air landing on all fours

What does “disturbing body movement” even look like? Is there an uncensored example out there somewhere? It’s not like Gordon or Sadler were injured

im pretty sure nascar does have footage of the crash its just that the hit was probably so hard to the point were they couldnt show it to the public if they did show it to the public people would ask for more safety and stuff nascar does have footage of the crash inculding the hard hit the hard hit he took to

I have a guess……and it’ll really be upsetting but here it is: both Sadler and Gordon’s body movement after their accidents/hits were more severe than Earnhardt Sr’s 2001 accident and people would once again bring up the theory that Earnhardt was a set up to be injured or worse in 2001.

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

Not sure where you've heard that theory, as interesting (and crazy) as it may be. Why in the hell would NASCAR set up one of the most legendary and most popular drivers in their sport to DIE or at least get INJURED in the BIGGEST RACE OF THE SEASON, let alone manage to do it on the last lap in the last damn turn with his TEAMMATES in front of him looking to win? More specifically the fact that Michael Waltrip, who had NEVER WON IN THE CUP SERIES BEFORE, would be the one winning? Among other variables and shit? Like...I hate saying this but, maybe it was Dale's time that day. The dude had been to hell and back with some of the death-defying wrecks that he had. And as fate would have it, one of his drivers would get their first career win in Cup while his son and fellow teammate was right behind him. We will never, EVER, know why Dale died that day (unless someone has some insane vision in their sleep that tells them). So theory's like this one are a massive, MASSIVE reach

@Poundcakebowler

10 ай бұрын

@@AlanNadeauIII not anything I’ve heard. Just the issues with the belt being faulty, and a few other things that if you did some digging don’t add up. Think of this as NASCAR’s version of Chris Benoit (research that one deeper)

@steezuschrist6662

10 ай бұрын

His seatbelt broke dude it’s no conspiracy he liked to use stuff as long as possible

@rubyestes7381

10 ай бұрын

​@Poundcakebowler there is no Benoit truth other than he had cte and committed heinous acts as a result of it. Cte has caused multiple people to do just as bad actions

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

@@steezuschrist6662 Tbh that makes sense

Why hasn’t anyone interviewed Sadler about this?

@SamuelLiu2001

10 ай бұрын

Yeah.

@SamuelLiu2001

10 ай бұрын

Actually, there is a video of broadcasters interviewing him.

@roadgeek09

10 ай бұрын

I don’t know, but what if Elliott Sadler was banned from talking about it. not that far fetched

@Bumafa

3 ай бұрын

​@@roadgeek09I highly doubt that

There is at least one more angle of the Blaine Perkins flip at dega earlier this year that shows the entire first part of the wreck before him disappearing behind the infield RVs.

It at Pocono where Steve Park and Dale Jr. got together and Park's car flipped 8 years before???

Let’s be honest. If they had a good replay they would’ve used it in promos for the upcoming races.

A few things. The camera cars have a standard number of cameras in them. Typically around the time of the race it was 3-4. Roof, rear bumper, cockpit, and then a special camera placed in a unique location. Since NASCAR wants all the cars to be basically the same the camera cars will all have the same amount. Even cars without cameras still have camera bodies mounted to them to keep them the same as the others. The wall cameras are “unmanned”. In the old days yes there was an operator standing on the other side of the wall running the camera. But since the 90’s these cameras are operated from a trailer near the control room. These operators cannot see and hear the same things like their counterparts at the track. The only audio they can really hear is the director telling them what to shoot. As far as what to shoot. The camera operators pretty much have to listen to what the director tells them to look at. There is a little freedom, especially when something happens. But when the director sees something going on he is going to tell them to shoot that, it’s then up to the camera operator to “look away “ from his tiny screen to see if anything else is going on or to notice anything else going on in the screen. Not saying there is no footage or that what I wrote above in the third point is exactly what happened. You presented some really good points and it does make you think. Great video.

May not have seemed it at the time but Jeff Gordon was seriously injured. He needed a trainer and a therapist to help alleviate his back pain from the crash. It had flared up at times during the span of 08-15. The crash literally cut his career short, but I guess that could be untrue because he was 44 when he retired. Even contemplated retirement in 08 because of his pain. Hurts to find this out years after his retirement as a Gordon fan.

@DaytonaPrototypes

10 ай бұрын

Yeah he was in bad shape around 2009. He talked retirement alot around that time.

They basically admitted they were using copyright law erroneously "out of respect to the injured'. Something needs to be done about copyright law.

i do think there's footage but was likely through crappy low frame rate track camera's that only the track or nascar had access to. Pocono at the time was one of the hardest tracks to get the right view angles until the technology got better with smaller remote camera's a few years later. that being said i do think who ever was in charge of ESPN's camera's took a conservative choice not to show it thinking they were going to have another Dale Earnhardt outcome with how hard the hit was and didn't want to make the same mistake that was made when Dale's crash happened.

Watch the window net on the hit angle, you can see his head hit the steering wheel before the car rebounds away

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

Buddy you gotta be having 20/20 vision to see that good

I saw the Larson crash live I was 27 fence polls down from where he hit the fence, very scary tires and debris flying in the stands

Don't forget Juan Pablo Montoya Jet dryer crash in 2012, nobody has a clearly footage of them.

I think you’re probably absolutely right NASCAR should be on pay-per-view and let you see whatever happens

@roadgeek09

10 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t be surprised at NASCAR tries to take this video down

@Bumafa

3 ай бұрын

Nascar on ppv is the worst idea of all time and nascar won't take this down they'll never know it exists

I think that as a sport all footage should be released. Not necessarily to a full live audience in real time but at some point it needs to be released. I’m sure some drivers haven’t seen some footage of them wrecking. How often do we have an onboard in the cockpit of drivers who flip and we never see them.

@MarkPentler

7 ай бұрын

Nobody has to do this just for your entertainment

NASCAR's TV partners only have the ability to broadcast one on-board camera view from a car at a time. That's why the "switch points" between camera angles are always the same when they show replays. So if there are 3 cameras (inside, front, and rear) only the camera that was set to broadcast at the time of the wreck would have footage. There would be no recording of the other two camera views. If ESPN was able to find footage of this wreck during the broadcast window or even in the weeks following, they obviously would have shown it.

@roadgeek09

10 ай бұрын

No they wouldn’t If it was bad enough. they never showed the replay of Mack McClellan’s USAC crash in 1992 at Indianapolis raceway park until at least a week later because everybody thought he was dead.

3:41 "there were 9 drivers with onboard cameras" view only shows 8

I remember watching this wreck live, standing inches from the TV during the replays. One thing I noticed is the moment you see Sadlers car hit the wall you can barely make out what looks like Sadler being catapulted towards the steering wheel. Like his harness or seat broke. If that did happen I could see NASCAR wanting to cover that up.

Great video dude. I hope some day the footage can be seen. One of these days I swear...

I would think Pocono would be the most likely candidate for putting the kibosh on crash footage. Pocono has been the site of some of the worst non-fatal crashes of all-time (Davey Allison's wild ride, Bobby Allison's career-ender) because of how unsafe the track was off the track.

Never noticed this before but at 10:27 you see the outside wall in frame, always assumed this was an ordinary barrel roll but this means the roll could have been a pretty violent crash very near the fence.

Extrely compelling case, great video, great theory. It really does make you think What the hell happened???

I believe, that during the race programming, the ESPN producer would've had full control over what they showed. NASCAR might've asked them to do something. But, it would be ESPN that had control of their production value. Weird things happen. It's possible that the 3 cameramen just f'd up at the same time. Even the aerial camera focused so much on Busch, that Sadler was out of frame. Like you, I find the one that was panning back to the track, is suspicious. I wouldn't doubt that NASCAR holds some control over the in-car cameras. As far as what gets released. My ultimate question is... What does it matter? I'm sure the teams, especially Sadler's, would scrutinize this, as much as could be.

Bad hit. About the worse I’ve ever seen in a stock car. Blew that mound of dirt out the other side. Damn.

We need more on this hopefully they release a clip

I somehow remember seeing it, it wasn't as violent as you would think. It looks like a normal impact and the engine just rips out. I remember Dale Earnhardt jr talking about how it was unacceptable that the wall came out right there and that there was dirt behind it.

I'll say this much, considering the crash or crashes that got Pocono taken off the Indycar schedule not that long ago, if the full footage of the Sadler crash got out, considering what he had hit, the engine flying, and everything else, I would not be surprised if there would have been a call for Pocono to get booted off the NASCAR schedule.

@RRaquello

10 ай бұрын

I think Pocono got a bad rap for the IndyCar incidents. Justin WIlson was killed by flying debris. That could happen anywhere, including an F1 circuit, as we saw with Felipe Massa. The Wickens crash was bad, but we've seen a bunch of similar incidents at other tracks, some with results that were bad, but not as bad (Kenny Brack, Davey Hamiton, Dario Franchitti), some were worse (Dan Wheldon). It's not the track's fault that IndyCar designed a car that could not stay on the ground in a bad incident.

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

@@RRaquello The thing is, Indycars are meant to be light so that they are fast. Yes, shit happens, but considering how long the straights are with the three differing types of corners, the speeds, and everything else, Indycar was gonna leave Pocono one way or the other and the Justin Wilson death did it

@RRaquello

10 ай бұрын

@@AlanNadeauIII Thinking back to IndyCar, say in the 90s, the cars were just about as fast and you had bad crashes, but you never saw cars taking off and flying like Scott Dixon that one year at Indy. It just never happened. You might see cars flip or roll over, really terrible crashes like Patrick Bedard or Greg Moore, but they mostly stayed on the ground. I don't know what design flaw crept into IndyCars some time after 2000, not being an engineer, but that to me is more of a problem than a race track like Pocono. Pocono is a mean track, I get that, and get why the drivers don't like it, but the particular accidents that led to Pocono being taken off the schedule were accidents that could, and have, happened at other tracks.

@AlanNadeauIII

10 ай бұрын

I guess@@RRaquello

@AnthonyStatenMusic

3 ай бұрын

Footage would have done nothing. The inside wall along the backstretch was re-designed as a direct result of this wreck anyway.

It also amazes me that there's no footage of Bobby Allison's wreck at Pocono in 1988