That multiplane camera system is brilliant. Fascinating video as always!

@nightisright1873

2 ай бұрын

It goes to show you Walt gets way too much credit at times.Yes he was brilliant but he gets far to much credit for shit

Walt Disney didn't invent the multiplane camera ! Lotte Reinenger did, Disney perfected the idea

@matheus5230

4 жыл бұрын

Perfected fantastically

@robbiefarabee6954

4 жыл бұрын

That is true. Ub Iwerks was the inventor of the multiplane camera while working at his own studio after leaving Disney in 1930. It was considered a prototype and it was originally made out of car parts.

@RayPointerChannel

Жыл бұрын

The slight difference here is in the separation of levels to achieve a depth of focus impression and a sense of depth with a moving camera that separates image elements. While Lotte Reiniger had her cutouts on raised levels of glass, her camera was stationary. It never moved towards or away in the scenes, which is what the true Multiplane processes done by Iwerks, Fleischer, and Disney did.

@RayPointerChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@robbiefarabee6954 Iwerks came up with a Multiplane process in the same year as Fleischer did with The Stereoptical Process. Both systems came three years before Disney's Multiplane.

@RayPointerChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@dylandarcy1150 And in the beginning, Iwerks was a third partner with Disney until Pat Powers lured him away to have his own studio. While Walt felt a great loss with the exit of Iwerks, he was big enough to welcome him back and let him work in the Special Effects Department where his contributions help further advance the Disney Studio, winning an Academy Award for the Sodium Blue Screen process used in Alfred Hitchcock's THE BIRDS and MARY POPPINS for Disney.

The late Roger Ebert once wrote, "Walt Disney did not invent animation, but he nurtured it into an art form that could hold its own against any 'realistic' movie." And I would agree that the medium itself shouldn't be limited to what Walt and his team of artists and successors had been doing and building on since the 1920s.

@SamAronow

Жыл бұрын

Walt Disney certainly didn't feel that his art should be limited to what had brought him success. Unfortunately, the moviegoing public of the 1940s _did_ feel that way. The "failure" of _Fantasia_ to be the biggest movie ever just to recoup its budget pigeonholed him as an artist for children (as was the case with animation more broadly) and he became very disillusioned by that, which is why he was a lot more hands-off with the movies after World War II.

@nightisright1873

2 ай бұрын

@@SamAronowhe accepted his fate but he also brought his own downfall by doing fairytales which are commonly considered to be kids stuff .Also the art style was very cutesy and Walt also removed a lot of the edge from the fairytales .Heck look at Cinderella in the original book the step sisters cut there heals off to try and fit into the glass slippers

The Fleischer brothers studio did incredible work. They're superman series is not only fun to watch, but artistically it's also a pleasure to look at. And what they did with three dimensional looking backgrounds in some of their Popeye cartoons is genius.

(rotoscoping that sucks) *shows lotr* THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS

@ATMurdoch97

5 жыл бұрын

This guy takes swings at Ralph Bakshi? Oh hell no, brother

@tzeege

5 жыл бұрын

Main characters are great examples of rotoscoping, imho. But everybody else pretty much suck, due to budget and time constraints.

@SplendidCoffee0

5 жыл бұрын

omi god but it is

@Pixxeria

5 жыл бұрын

@@SplendidCoffee0 Bakshi's LOTR just sucks. Better to accept it. I'm surprised the authors of the video didn't show the Balrog battle instead. "Hey, we have this media of infinite possibility, how can we use it? Well , put a 4 dollar costume on a guy and trace over it!"

@SplendidCoffee0

5 жыл бұрын

Marcos Nogueira don’t tell me what to do.

My personal favourite Animator is Terry Gilliam, even though is technique is simplistic.

Yes, I know that's not Earl Hurd. My apologies. Dunno how I made that mistake...

@orsonwelles4254

6 жыл бұрын

1:52 And that's not Gerdie the Dinosaur -- that's his cousin

@cam-sk4gj

5 жыл бұрын

@@omi_god I hope you're being ironic... :,)

@chuckcookus

4 жыл бұрын

@@omi_god Christ what a crouch

@FrizFreddy1994

3 жыл бұрын

In a manner of personal preference...you referred to someone better.

it's weird that the first animation, made by that argentinian guy you refused to say the name, wasn't a kids cartoon or fairy tale, but a political satire

@AlexThe1Menace

6 жыл бұрын

Animation wasn't looked at as mere kids entertainment back then. That's why. That stigma only really began to arise in the 60s and 70s when a lot of the stuff being made was made squarely with kids in mind.

@MetFanMac

6 жыл бұрын

It actually goes farther back than that. Walt Disney took animation seriously and wanted it to be seen as a pure art form (hence the existence of Fantasia and its planned-but-unrealized sequels), but even all the way back then his films were seen by critics and the general public as "kiddie" or family entertainment. It definitely got worse in the '60s, though.

@geico105

6 жыл бұрын

Not weird at all considering that Gulliver’s travels is a political satire that is often mistakenly labeled as a children’s book.

@IkeOkerekeNews

6 жыл бұрын

Studley D. Muffin How exactly?

@geico105

6 жыл бұрын

Ike Okereke How what?

I want you to know that I watch many different KZread channels dedicated to video essays on the art of film; but your channel is by far the best put together, and the most entertaining. I love your work, keep it up!

"Worldwide" I guess the West is the world. Joke aside, short and sweet summary.

I appreciate how often you talk about animation on your channel! more often, I'd have to find an animation-specific channel for these kind of videos, but I'm so glad you give it the same ammount of attention and care as your essays on live-action film

Great video Andrew. I found this fascinating and couldn’t believe how soon it ended

3:13 That is not Earl Hurd, that is Frank Thomas.

YAAAS I'm so glad you've done this! Thank you! I'm currently working on a detailed timeline of animation history as a hobby, and this is really valuable info for me.

I’ve been really into animation lately and this taught me soooo much. Great video!! I loved it.

This channel has a lot of great vids but this is my favorite I've seen. Clean presentation for some wonderful information. Thanks for making this.

What an incredible video. Informative, entertaining, and well presented. Probably your best one yet.

I'd really like it if you did a series on the history of animation. Also can we get a video essay on my boy Ray Harryhausen.

@thogough

4 жыл бұрын

ILRH

i really like the way your video essays are going

Your videos on animation are amazing man, they are so insightful and well thought out

You made an error, McCay didn't know what Keyframing or Pose-to-Pose was, he animated everything "Straight Ahead". There is a nice anecdote about it, when McCay thinks he invented Pose-to-Pose but other animators were already using it for a long time

@Broelbrak

6 жыл бұрын

archive.org/details/recollectionsofr00huem (Source)

@arturogonzalez-barrios8206

6 жыл бұрын

which page?

@Broelbrak

6 жыл бұрын

page 59/60

@macsnafu

4 жыл бұрын

Considering that McCay's earliest animation is from 1911, and even Gertie the Dinosaur is from 1914, I'm not sure what you mean by "a long time". 5 years?

@Broelbrak

4 жыл бұрын

​@@macsnafu Gertie wasn't in Pose-to-Pose. In 1928 he said at a party he discovered a new way of animating (Pose-to-Pose) but the rest were already using it since 1915. So 13 years I guess

I know this is an old video, but as an aspiring animator, this channel is so interesting and motivating! 💞 Please never stop making videos!

“Gag reels for younger audiences” Felix committed suicide by drinking gasoline in his first film, and often had alcohol in his cartooms

@jvgreendarmok

Жыл бұрын

Gag reels for morbid younger audiences.

Early animation is something I have a deep passion for. Thank you so much for this amazing video!

Windsor McCay's studio is in my neighborhood in Sheepshead Bay. It's still there as a normal residential house, across the street from a supermarket.

Beautiful and unique style as always

I have to disagree with you on Bakshi's rotoscoping. If it was meant to achieve the same as Fleischer's rotoscoping, then I think you'd be right, but Bakshi was trying to create something uncanny with LoTR and something intense and gritty with American Pop (Fire and Ice is garbage though, I'll give you that). The technique was appropriate for those instances.

@birdcar7808

6 жыл бұрын

Not to mention it’s small budget (for animation) of $4 million. Rotoscoping was almost a necessity for it to achieve any movement that was remotely believable and smooth without sacrificing the more complex designs that would be necessary to separate the film from it’s extremely cartoony peers at the time.

@mjrhmekssh

6 жыл бұрын

Snappy Dragon have you seen Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust? this movie only had $1 Mio and didn't use rotoscoping whilst having amazingly detailed characters.

@timsmythfilmsandanimations

4 жыл бұрын

@@mjrhmekssh How do you know the budget was 1 million?

ive always loved your choice of classical music. i actually played that haffner mozart symphony! beautiful video as always mr saladino hats off to you

picture of "Earl Hurd" is actually Frank Thomas, one of Disney's nine old men. if you look closely you can see the robin hood drawing

AMAZING VIDEO! Thank you!

Its like Every Frame A Painting was rasied from the dead. Love your vids man!

Another amazing and informative video. Support this man on Patreon dammit!

Very well made and very interesting! Personally, I had always thought that "Fantasmagorie" was the first animated film.

@RayPointerChannel

Жыл бұрын

All histories credit HUMOROUS PHASES OF FUNNY FACES (1906) as the "start" of cartoon animation, although it was more of an experiment in Stop Motion photography of line drawings and cutouts. For all practical purposes, Emile Cohl deserves the credit for being the first originator of animated cartoons since he made individual drawings to achieve movement in FANTASMGORIE (1908).

very nice! shows that you love doing this stuff....

Great work man!

i loved this. and the way it was narrated and written reminded me of Kurt Vonnegut. well done, sir

Wonderfully informative.

You are blowing my fucking mind with these videos. Keep 'em coming! Can't possibly get enough.

Would love a deeper dive into animation!

Snow White might not have been the first full length animated film, but none that came before it even approached its brilliance.

At the first Chicago Comic Con in 1975 (my first, anyway), one night was devoted to animation - and I do mean one night: something like 10-12 hours of rare animated films, provided mainly by private collectors who shared their precious reels with fans. Many of us were youngsters who had never even dreamed of the existence of films that digitizing has made so accessible, and we were pinned to our seats for hours, drunk on moving pictures.I remember seeing so many "banned" WB toons, Disney's WW2 training films and other propaganda, and intricate stop-motion films from around the world. But my favorites were the works of Fleischer Brothers, Ub Iwerks, and especially Windsor McCay, whose Gertie became a kind of meme among my friends.

I wish this was at least three times as long. Great work on what's presented though!

It’s like Christmas morning Everytime royal ocean drops a new video

3:13 That's not Earl Hurd, that's Frank Thomas.

Great video!

There is a really good episode of the BBC's "Arena" from 1985 that is all about early animation. It's on YT for anyone interested.

5:23 Take a look at this picture. Everybody remembers Walt Disney as this old tycoon. But that's not what you see in this picture. No, what you see in this picture isn't an old tycoon but a young entrepreneur, full of zest and proud of his creations.

Easily one of the best of the channel... and also one of the best of the year, and 2018 is only beginning.

The only thing that itched me was the audible logo at the beginning. Those missed lasso :'(

I don't feel like I just watched an 8-minute KZread video, I feel like I just watched the first 8 minutes of a two-hour-long documentary. Very wonderfully done.

I'm an animator for children's series, and I love your videos that focus on animation! Keep up the wonderful work.

That’s not Earl Hurd at 3:14. That’s Disney Animator Frank Thomas working on Robin Hood in the early 1970’s.

"Do shut up, Andrew." ;-)

Awesome video!!!

Beautiful

Nice Job!

Ever since I discovered him, Winsor McCay has been one of my very favorite artists, a true virtuoso talent!

So wait wait wait, why then is Snow White so often credited as the first animated feature film? Is it simply a matter of better marketing, or is there a set of caveats and qualifiers that make that statement true?

@ZetHololo

6 жыл бұрын

it was the first that was marketable and was a hit with the general public. EVERYBODY watched snowwhite, but earlier feature films were obscure, experimental and, to be honest, quite forgetable, though revolutionary. They changed animation foverever, while snowhite changed cinema forever, that's the difference.

@nicolle2126

6 жыл бұрын

it's also probably the most lucrative animated feature film at the time given how widely it was screened and for how long. It got animation taken more seriously by a lot of folks

@TavernaDeMidgard

6 жыл бұрын

yes, as I mentioned in the comments, the first animated movie was a political satire of all things, so you can see why Snow white was the one that stood out

@NathanGatten

6 жыл бұрын

Nickolas Barmenkov Early animated films had a huge impact on cinema, popeye and betty boop were icons well before snow white hit the screen, and those are just minor examples. Yes they were short films but they were treated like feature length films at the time and had full house showings all over the western world. Now Snow White did indeed have a dramatic effect on the industry, but it showed a bit to late to say that it changed cinema. It was the result of a change, not the cause of a change.

@kostajovanovic3711

6 жыл бұрын

It was the first cell animated feature film

Great video sir.

That was really cool :3

This was dope to watch

You could make a case that Emile Reynaiud made the first animated film (even though he did it before film was invented). He invented a device to project sequential pictures to an audience and his show called Pauvre Pierrot was shown in a theater. Another Emile is a pioneer Emile Cohl, his work is shown in your video but he is not mentioned, he made Fantasmagoria, the first film created with sequential drawings on paper.

Today with a fraction of this effort and money we can do much better. And we dont.

Great video, man. Ive never seen that superman animation before, will look it up. Just wanted to say that im almost certain that the man besides Lotte Reiniger is Walter Ruttmann, her special effects creator, and not Carl Koch (who rarely animated but was in charge of the camera). Ruttmann was famous in the twenties for making short abstract animations, which are pretty neat.

@casir.7407

6 жыл бұрын

Croc yup. he was part of the same group of german avant garde artists reiniger and koch were into -from which there were also fischinger, wegener, weill and brecht, among others; pretty ironic, when ruttmann later went on to direct propaganda documentaries on nazi weaponry under riefenstahl

@casir.7407

6 жыл бұрын

Croc she was certainly almost completely devoted to fairytales, but she got her beginnings by making special effects for The Golem, credit sequences for Fritz Lang... she was also going to make an animated sequence for the Madame Bovary movie directed by Renoir -Renoir was a good friend of Carl Koch and when he was attacked in fascist italy and fled the country Koch was left to finish the movie Renoir started. Id say that despite making quite conservative stories based on childrens stories Lotte Reiniger's movies had a lot of technique and artistry to them. Achmed is almost certainly her best movie, imo, because of the effects and how fresh and creative it must have been in its time

This guy needs more subscribers. Dang.

fantastic video =) altough as a german I have to break it to you: you murderd the pronounciation of "Koch" :D Cheers from Germany =) Sören

@victorferger2877

6 жыл бұрын

Trembich Moving Moments Sie können halt nicht unser "ch" oder "r" nachmachen 😂

I'd say Walt turned animation into art. Though the others certainly were art, Walt turned learning animation into something more akin to learning atelier type classical schools that do high end oil painting and portraiture. He (well, more specifically the 9 Old Men) discovered and created the nuances of getting a character to move and act right. Sleeping Beauty characters move completely different than those of Snow White since they learned even more about the craft, even if Snow White's animation was already aiming for the stars

If you’re interested in rotoscoping done artistically and with stylistic intent, check out the adult animation master Ralph Backshi. His film Wizards is on KZread and is my favorite film of his

Fantastic video dude not gonna lie

That was interesting Andrew.

3:13 actually that's Frank Thomas, one of Disney's Nine Old Men!

Cool stuff

This is f_cking awesome.

Bakshi's LOTR rotoscoping isn't bad. It actually works really well with the theme of the story, which also combines fantastic and realistic elements. Unexaggerated rotoscoping would look bad on Superman, but in Middle Earth it has the perfect, strange "magic realism" effect.

Very informative, but I wish you had said a little something about each of the seven animated features that preceded "Snow White."

I recommend Understanding Animation to anybody who is interested in learning more about animation history. Often, history of animation is limited to understanding it through it's technological achievements, Wells offers a more nuanced vision of animation as an art form and the sort of themes, subjects and ideas that emerged from the medium, not just what fancy cameras they got.

Would love to hear your research materials,i.e the books,films and readings your went through to make this

And now boss baby is nominated for an oscar in the animated category

Was waiting to hear some Ub Iwerks praise, dude was a genius when it came to character animation

there is an earlier film than all these. It's "un bon bock" from france in 1888 by emile reynaud. Also by him is "pauvre pierott" from 1891. the later one is on u-tube.

I believe Reiniger actually used the multiplane camera for prince achmed

Well, this was interesting. It seems pretty weird that animators come up with these ground breaking ideas, but winds up treating their coworkers like "mit!"

Why is Tony Zhou working here now?? Well It doesn't matter it's another great video

@thomasbruinsma

6 жыл бұрын

he's the guy who made every frame a painting. which is considered the best video essay channel on films, but he suddenly stopped producing content

@thegermaniclanguagebranch1117

6 жыл бұрын

it's a joke, this guy's name is Andrew

@ceeryle

6 жыл бұрын

He wrote a whole essay on why he stopped. He does work for Criterion Collection now

@thomasbruinsma

6 жыл бұрын

Can you link me to that video? I never saw it

@janopawski183

6 жыл бұрын

Jacob Brown its note a video it a post on his patreon page

"rotoscoping that sucks" (text on the bottom of some really cool looking video)

Nice

7:03 what film is this from? Subtitles dont show the title

Just subbed.

So. Lotte was the first to create the multiplane camera. Disney ripped it off and claimed it as his own.

@ramonsancheztorello7111

3 жыл бұрын

Disney taking credit for the multiplane camera is not a steal or plagiarism case. As the same time Reiniger developed her film, Disney was occupied with running his Laugh-o-Gram's cartoon shorts, subsequently losing the studio to bankruptcy, then establishing the Disney Brothers' Studio in 1923 and producing Alice comedies. There isn't any recorded incident of Disney or his immediate team traveling to Germany, much less "spying" on Reiniger in her garage studio. The multiplane camera and animation desk is a case of simultaneous invention, where people invented similar devices within the same time frame. During that time (1920s - 1930s) the communication and information media that we have today did not exist and the developments made by animation studios were kept secret, so as not to give an advantage to the competition. There are multiple cases of simultaneous invention, including the radio, modern flush toilet, calculus, theory of evolution, telephone, and theory of relativity. It was only attributed to a person when they visites the patent office. Walt wanted to make his first feature film as realistic as possible, so while he already had a patent for a mounted camera on a table he called the Art of Animation, he needed a camera with more freedom to move. So it was refined by introducing the ability to adjust the position of the camera itself, making it technically superior than any other version and making Disney's multiplane camera the most sophisticated and technologically advanced of that time, creating a beleiveable sense of perspective and depth.

I'd have liked to see an animated satire of Hipolito Yrigoyen

Were the Fleischer Superman shorts Rotoscoped? I didn't know that.

Muito bom!!!

Can you tell me the name of the music?

This sounds like the guy from Every New Frame A Painting.

Content is on point I have to add your channel link to my “Best KZread Channels of 2018” video

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6 жыл бұрын

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1:56 Hello Andrew

I appreciate the Richard Williams diagram

I love the rotoscoping in lord of the rings

I can understand why you might describe the rotoscoping present in some of the films of Bakshi as that which 'sucks', but honestly I think Bakshi is going for something a little different in his animation...also, the monetary constraints which seemed to plague his films...

William Randolph Hearst screwed someone over... NNNAAAAWWWHHH

@Asummersdaydreamer14

6 жыл бұрын

*coughs* Rosebud *coughs*

Lusy-Tania you could have looked up the pronounciation of the ship