As someone who lives in the U.S. it is weird to the point of creepy seeing the locomotives with the windshield blanked out and no one on board. It’s almost as if the locomotives are coming to life.

@ShawnCalay-hi6gy

6 ай бұрын

Those are shades, they use them in Brasil when the sun is shining and it's over 120 degrees ....they are not blanked out

Very nice to see the trains running perfectly synchronized as far as the eye can see.

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

Yes they run with very close headways

Funny what pops up in my feed.... right now Im typing this at Tea tree camp on the Rio Rail mainline at 176kp. I am part of the construction crew currently replacing turn outs and replacing whole sections of rail and formation arounf the floodway bridges etc. Some of this line is untouched since when it was laid around 40 something years ago so its a "little overdue" for a refit. We work up to 3 meteres from any live track and having these things coming past at up to 80kph was super intimidating at first! Each train is carrying ore worth around 4 million Australian dollars and we see around 30 something a day pass by heading to the port. Great video Ive captured loads of footage myself and will put something together for the huge amounts of people commenting positively on this video. Cheers

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for that , I worked for Rio Tinto for a while back in the nineties on their loco simulators .

@MegaPatricklee

2 ай бұрын

Currently in ti tree 😂

On a ton per mile bases, the drivers income would be so minimal per ton because of the huge productivity of these huge trains, yet we do away with the driver. We are all doing what we are doing on our amazing planet so that people have work, to feed families and live a reasonable life, but huge corporates do have no regard for that, they say they do, but its just BS. Why not do away with top end executives on huge incomes, and keep the frontline team employed and everyone benefits along the way.

@j.m.youngquist419

Жыл бұрын

Here Here !

@Jabba.Da.Hutt_

Жыл бұрын

You’re 💯 correct

@marioxerxescastelancastro8019

Жыл бұрын

It is not railways’ obligation to give money to people for doing things that are not needed.

@Waylo2k16

Жыл бұрын

@@marioxerxescastelancastro8019 so,, driving a train,, is unnecessary?

@Tivis7

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much, though to be fair automation would allow us to work on other things. This is why everyone should be given a base pay to live, without the costly cancer that is the owners and execs. Machines do our work, and we all live better (but only if we get rid of the top).

Truly awesome! Really unique to see parallel trains running like that too. Sounds scary, being driverless, but quite safe in the grand scheme, considering the location and that even with human operators, trains of that size will never stop quickly and they legally have the right-of-way in most if not all countries. Trains are already one of the most routine transports, being on rail and completely controlled by signals when not in yards. Even with a human in the seat, it's quite procedural, something perfect for computers to handle, when you're willing to trust them haha. Even collision detection could be far quicker performed by sensors and a computer (same reason we see it in pretty much all modern cars). Thanks for the fantastic video! I'm sure it took quite a bit of effort to get out there :)

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

Thank you , glad you enjoyed it , yes it was a long trip to get there but worth it .

@vijayanchomatil8413

10 ай бұрын

I'm guessing that these rail lines are exclusively Rio Tinto so they can have it all automated without any issues. I don't think you would be able to do that on US mainlines.

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

@@vijayanchomatil8413 Yes , only Rio Tinto iron ore trains use this line .

@RyanHatterer-Ryanns999

6 ай бұрын

I disagree for us here in America, I want a human in the seat. Rio Tinto has very little crossings and what people are track side are workers, a random railfan that's it. This line is perfect for computers to run on, set train length each weighs more or less the same, with no towns. in America our trains are never the same every time. Rio Tinto and a guy on youtube (David Rayner) made great videos how the system works. But for other parts of the world this is not going to work as well, too many variables.

I know a driver up ther who got a six month contract to drive ten years ago "while they did the transition" to remote operation. He is still there driving locos there ten years later. I would like to point out that BHP had a runaway train a few years back which had no driver. The accident cost the better part of a billion dollars what with destroyed track, wrecked wagons and locos and most expensive of all a few weeks lost production of iron ore while the line was closed. Still all that aside a great video and stunning scenery. These places are really remote and a permit is needed to drive there, truck tyres being essential.

@gjlwpl

11 ай бұрын

The driver was off the train checking something and brakes were not set properly due to air fault. Train moved off and with down gradient all the way to coast could not be stopped. It was deliberately derailed.

@renniks1975

11 ай бұрын

@@gjlwpl So, in other words, another reason for the automation of the trains

@andrewblake2254

11 ай бұрын

Not really. Since the driver was inspecting a fault, if the train was unmanned they would still have had to send a crew out by road. This would probably take hours out there. It is not a simple economic equation.

@plasot

9 ай бұрын

@@andrewblake2254 Any malfunction on automatic train while en route costs you more money than in train with driver - assuming that driver is skilled enough to repair it by himself. It means that more pressure is put on service crews and more money is spent on maintentance in depot. Same discussions are running in my industry - how much would it cost if crewless ships would brake down in the middle of the ocean?

@andrewblake2254

9 ай бұрын

Yes at least the onboard driver can do some diagnostic work. And failing that have a walk round to look. @@plasot

"Río Tinto" ("Red River") is a company that was born in Spain (specifically, in the province of Huelva, in western Andalusia), since the river of said name ("Tinto") carries the colored waters red, due to the copper that is in the place where it is born, and that was exploited by said company until 1954.

@CarlosAlberto-ii1li

11 ай бұрын

I know it well.

@martinc.720

11 ай бұрын

0k

@leopardtiger1022

11 ай бұрын

Copper metal cannot be it. It has to copper compound which usually have green colour like copper suphate. Copper ores have green colour blue colour like malachite. If Rio Tonto in span was coloured red then it was because of iron ore like Hematite of Limonite.

@BeKindToBirds

10 ай бұрын

@@leopardtiger1022 You are a very knowledgeable bot.

It's mind blowing how far technology has come, I asked about Autonomous Trains no-less than 4 years ago during an imaginative stupor while writing, I was told by a few people that it was either stupid, impossible, unsafe, and completely unnecessary, while others said it'd be for special types of trains, or for Japan's High-Speed network, yet, here we are automating Iron, in Australia of all places.

@strnbrg59

10 ай бұрын

I don't know why you're impressed. Of all vehicles, a train is the simplest to automate. It moves in a one-dimensional world (vs 2 for automobiles and 3 for airplanes), with guaranteed rights of way.

@FurryFailure

10 ай бұрын

@@strnbrg59 Because I really like trains and I think this is cool?

@CrabappleKing

10 ай бұрын

@@FurryFailure driverless trains have been around for decades

@unitedrail-mainchannel8991

8 ай бұрын

@@strnbrg59 Just because its the "simplest" doesnt mean its "simple". These are different words. There is still a shit load of programming when it comes to automating trains.

@Larynx_the_Changeling

7 ай бұрын

What up, my fellow fur?

Thanks John, Excellent footage - loved the parallel running too.

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate , yes lucky to get that , needed to wait five hours to get it though , don't know how many games of Freecell I played while waiting

@narkelnaru2710

11 ай бұрын

@@johnphillips592 Thank you for taking the trouble on behalf of everyone who has watched and enjoyed the whole reporting. It was lovely. You should divide the number of games of Freecell played by the number of people who have watched the video. It think the ratio will _definitely_ be less than one ! ✊🏼🤘🏼🤗

I watched many train videos for entertainment and to learn about freight trains and railroading in general. I've watched lots and lots of them. I vote the shot from 10:51 to 13:04 the best shot I have ever seen!

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Thank you , glad you enjoyed it

Thanks for the upload, it brings back lots of memorys of when i was machining ore car wheels at Port Hedland for Mt Newman mining in the lathe pit, very enjoyable times.

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Thanks , glad it brought back happy memories

@batmanlives6456

10 ай бұрын

Hi I used to work on this rail line back in the 90’s Great times I could still identify many locations Been up and down that track many times Thanks for the memories I remember when those locos were brand new We watched them being unloaded at the dock and taken to seven mile workshops for the bogie installation… Cheers

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

@@batmanlives6456 Thanks , glad it brought back some memories for you .

Thankyou mr. John Phillips videos. Very different views of passing of two trains running through two railway tracks into one direction in parallel as twins single lines. Thankyou for this very good surprise. Carry-on your greate efforts.

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

Thank you , it's an interesting railway

@trailwayt9H337

Жыл бұрын

@@johnphillips592 ❤️

Thank you for sharing this video, it is good to see some green foliage in the landscape as well. I do enjoy the drone footage.

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Robyn , they have had a lot of rain over there in recent months .

Pretty mind-blowing to see autonomous freight trains in Australia! The locomotives look and sound a lot like the ones seen in my home country, the USA. Great catches! Greetings from the United States!

@reginald2004

11 ай бұрын

GE AC 4400s, pretty standard for NA.

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

The locos are fully imported from the US , they are the same locos as used there .

@Hugo5t1gl1tz

11 ай бұрын

@@johnphillips592 is all of your track the same gauge or just places like this? In other words, could any US train run any AUS track?

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

@@Hugo5t1gl1tz All states are now connected by standard gauge but we don't have the loading gauge to import U.S. locos , check out studio.kzread.infoVnwEeyFties/edit for examples of our diesels .

@MrWilsonbw

11 ай бұрын

Sooner or later we'll be seeing more trains like this in the U.S.

Great video John and with all the money they save not paying drivers they could spend some refreshing the paint on their locos as they look appalling. Thanks again for the nice video.

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

Agreed , some are a bit grotty ,

@marioxerxescastelancastro8019

Жыл бұрын

It is more because of dirt than deterioration of the paint. They should wash the locomotives.

@ShortArmOfGod

11 ай бұрын

Because western Australia has people lining up to look at the things.

@MilwaukeeF40C

11 ай бұрын

Pilbara trains have always looked gritty. It is beautiful.

@hoofie2002

11 ай бұрын

The environment is harsh - lots of dust and strong sun. It's not a place tourists go

These precision side by side shots are amazing. What a unique operation. Thanks for sharing and glad to stumble upon this video.

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it , please check out my other videos some more iron ore trains as well as others , thank you .

One of only a few countries where this is possible because of the unihabited open vastness!!

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

True , not much out there .

The blue lights on the roof of the cab reminds me of the daleks!

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Agreed , they do look like Dareks .

Mighty impressive technical feat. Thanks for sharing, I had no idea of this.

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

Thanks ,Yes it's pretty impressive

Outstanding video. Thanks.

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Thanks , glad you enjoyed it .

Excellent drone work, Mr. Phillips! Beautiful dramatic shots.

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

Thanks Jeff , it was a long way to get there but worth the effort .

Great photography. Well done.

This level of Tech can now been seen in the ELK Valley in British Columbia, thanks to CP Rail cutting jobs while increasing the hazards to the general public. The sensors may give the remote operator all of the real time data about the train's operation, but not the forest and grass fires that are started by the trains, something that a pair of mark 1 eyes balls do from the cab.

@Mikishots

11 ай бұрын

There is no "remote operator" in this level of tech. It's remotely monitored, in this case 1500 miles away. Night and day difference.

@paulm1365

11 ай бұрын

Good luck trying to find a forest in that part of Australia.

@thegenericguy8309

11 ай бұрын

@@Mikishots Yeah it's kind of hard to see something go wrong with the train by eye from 1500 miles away. but hey, as long as it hurts the rail unions it's worth it (assuming you're a rail exec)

@richardhasler6718

11 ай бұрын

Well I think it would be unlikely that a driver of such a train could witness a spark flying from a 500 ft train, landing in some grass and smouldering into a fire, while driving a train at the same time but perhaps the Canadian train drivers have superior vision. In the UK. it's just a relief when the drivers are actually in the train and not on strike.

@paulm1365

11 ай бұрын

@@richardhasler6718 those trains average about 2.4km in length with the record being 7.3km. A human driver can’t even see the end of the train they are driving. And even if they see an obstruction on the rail ahead of them they can’t stop in time. Hence the dependence on remote sensors - which can be monitored 1,500 miles away from the Pilbara in a central facility in Perth.

Great video. As a great man once said ‘People make problem, drone better’

This is a good show, driverless, thats very good. Keep it up.

Pretty amazing to to think a computer program is in charge of these huge ore trains. This takes remote operation of locomotive in switching to a whole different level. I was thinking how could a program take into account the feel and experience of an actual engineer to account for load, track, braking and grades but I guess if you have all these variables (non-variables I guess ) standardized the program can do it’s thing. I can definitely see this being a great option for long, non hazardous cargo in not densely populated isolated territory.

@dkdanis1340

10 ай бұрын

Trains that have ptc (not sure if it's that exact system) are pretty much autonomous. Ptc is something like adaptive cruise control. The train will automatically speed up and slow down, compensate for hills etc.

@anotherfreediver3639

10 ай бұрын

We've had driverless commuter trains on a light railway in London since the mid-1980s I think. I'm amazed that they aren't more widespread, given the continual push to cut costs.

@cleenlivin

10 ай бұрын

@@anotherfreediver3639 I’ve heard some commuter rails in USA cities have the capability but the “optics” of having a driver-less train they feel doesn’t go over well with the public. I think many systems use the approach mentioned where a driver sits at the controls as a back-up in case anything goes wrong. Maybe a lifelike mannequin could suffice? 🤔

@Quasihamster

9 ай бұрын

Wait til you learn NASA's rocket flew to the Moon with 1960's computers.

@cleenlivin

9 ай бұрын

@@Quasihamster 💩👤 🧌

That was a great video John!

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that , enjoyed making it and glad you enjoyed it

I'd be interested to find out how the automated system works and how it avoids failures, collisions etc?

@sadiqmohamed681

11 ай бұрын

This might help. It's a video about the system from Hitachi, and includes shots of the Perth control room - kzread.info/dash/bejne/eK2ZxJp6gczNY9o.html - the trains have lots of safety features including collision avoidance and real time video. And this is a driver setting up a train at the port to return to the mining area - kzread.info/dash/bejne/dHiWyKaOobPTaKg.html . It seems that the trains run up to the designated mine under full auto, get loaded and return. The only place with real drivers is at the port.

@MilwaukeeF40C

11 ай бұрын

I am sure it is loaded with computerized electronics but it was possible 100 years ago with standard railroad signal track circuits and electromechanical devices.

@hoofie2002

11 ай бұрын

This is an iron ore system and is connected to anything else. No passenger trains so it's easier to automate.

@GORT70

11 ай бұрын

Avoid failure or collision? They can’t! It would take a few miles to stop, and there’s no way to avoid a breakdown, outside routine maintenance.

MAD MAX FEEL ABOUT THIS SET UP

Miss those days,Rio Tinto and BHPIO,first it was two men then one now none,when you spend so much time in the early days with one other person in the cab you just have to get on with each other,not dissimilar to a marriage.You have done a marvellous job John,i can nearly smell the spinifex.

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this great comment Eric much appreciated .

@MilwaukeeF40C

11 ай бұрын

Did you practice lots of marriage formalities?

@ericbleasel5907

11 ай бұрын

@@MilwaukeeF40C yes had turns cooking and washing up,if things went wrong,hot wheels,bearings,emergency application, the driver did the walking, otherwise possible seperation.

@mabamabam

11 ай бұрын

better than smelling the other bloke in the cab

Fantastic footage there, John. Loved it. James.

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Thanks James , glad you enjoyed the footage , cheers

@FrogandFlangeVideo

11 ай бұрын

@@johnphillips592 Hi John. Did you travel to Australia specifically in order to film the ore trains ? Absolutely loved the aerials. James.

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

@@FrogandFlangeVideo I live in Melbourne and was on a caravan trip around Australia , have visited there several times before , my first KZread video was on these trains

@FrogandFlangeVideo

11 ай бұрын

@@johnphillips592 My brother referred your video to me. Coincidentally I had just weekes ago did a little dive into the rail action in the Pilbara, Cool stuff happening ther. Thanks John. James.

Fantastic. Feast for the eyes. I like it. Thanks for the efforts.

@johnphillips592

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for your kind comment , glad you enjoyed it .

cool video!

Awesome Video!

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Thanks , glad you enjoyed it as much as I did making it .

Looking forward to visiting Australia and meeting my relations in Campbelltown NSW.

On our mine we have fully autonomous dump trucks driving all over the place. They are a pain in the arse! 😆 But interesting as more complicated than trains as don't run on rails and have to interact with manned vehicles in a constantly changing environment.

Just watched your video, very well done and informative. It used to be empowering to see a person in charge of all that machinery and to think of what people are capable of. This makes people servants to the machines, fueling and repairing them as needed. Until they can work out how to do that also.

One bucked rail will suprise that robot! 😮😅

Now that's some loooong trains!

Looks hot AF! What beautiful country. 12:38 amazing!

Driverless ore trains! Fascinating!

Great Video, I know this area is isolated, but surely there are some risks to people and property with driverless trains, thanks for sharing

@margarita8442

11 ай бұрын

yes

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Driver or not , if you get in the way of these trains they wont stop in a hurry .

@steveanderson9290

10 ай бұрын

I suspect that having a hazardous encounter with a driverless train is way, way, down on the list of things that can kill you in that locale.

These trains have bankers to get them over the hills so they can then roll down to the coast. These are manned as I know a driver. He tells me that these "unmanned" trains often carry a driver even if they are controlled remotely.

@ShawnCalay-hi6gy

6 ай бұрын

Wrong, the driver sets everything up at the mine....he dismounts about a minute before the train departs

Very interesting. In case of an accident, how do they get the thing to stop? Do they have sensors that will go off if they detect an impact?

@Mechknight73

11 ай бұрын

My understanding is that there is a human supervisor watching them for the whole trip. They can do an emergency stop remotely from a Perth control centre

@ianmontgomery7534

11 ай бұрын

@@Mechknight73 Yes - they are driven by humans its just that they are not located in the cabin.

@jkardez4794

11 ай бұрын

No doubt that they can stop that train remotely. But if something is going wrong and building up to a potential accident how would they know apart from continous surveillance by camera all along the length of the train .

@davidrayner9832

11 ай бұрын

@@ianmontgomery7534 No, they are not driven by humans in Perth. The train controller does nothing more than they used to - operate the signals to tell the train (was once the driver, now the train) when to start and stop. Based on the signals, the train drives itself. Eg; If the signal 20kms ahead is at stop, a driver can choose to keep going at full speed, stop at the signal, and wait for it to clear or he can slow down now and if the signal has cleared before he gets there he won't have to stop, or he can stop anywhere between here and there (say, on a downhill grade rather than the uphill grade the signal is on to make starting off easier) and wait for it to clear (I say 'signal' but it's all in the cab so yes, you can see a signal that's 20 kms away). The train controller nor the program that runs the train can't do that. All the controller can do is set the signal to stop and the train will continue at track speed until it gets to where braking would normally occur to stop at that signal.

@davidrayner9832

11 ай бұрын

@@jkardez4794 They don't. No one is looking at the view from the camera. The only time they do is when an impact sensor on the loco alarms so they look to see what the train has hit (usually a cow) but whatever it was, they only see it after the event and then decide whether or not to stop the train. There was a time around 2016 while they were still testing it that a driver of an empty train rolling down the hill towards where the Robe train was filmed noticed that a man who had obviously decided to kill himself had laid his neck across the track. The driver slammed on the brakes and stopped before he cut the man's head off but had that been an AutoHaul train, no one would've known until the driver of a Robe train (still manned to this day because Robe will not spend the money to AutoHaul their track) came along and then only if it was daylight.

Great work 💖💖

@johnphillips592

9 ай бұрын

Thanks , glad you enjoyed it .

I wonder if they are running Cattron or Control Chief systems? I worked on installs for Cattron and was a CMO for years with short line rail. Them 2% grades are making those ladies sweat a little :) I am so fortunate to have been a composite mechanic and a working CMO for the years I did that and I am so fortunate to not do it still, I miss it but it was some hard work. Thanks for the vids bro, made me smile and have good memories!

Good morning Good afternoon Good night. Gained another follower here in Brazil. Your videos are fantastic, very beautiful places. Congratulations. Hugs. Cesar

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Hello Cesar , thank you , glad you enjoy my videos and thanks for the comment .

Ive flown my drone over the tain ans had gotten some aweome videos and photos. When i drove darwin to cairns i had left my car unattended for 5 mins. And in that time my drone and camera that were on the back seat were stolen. If i ever see my videos uploaded onto youtube ill be going after whoever uploaded them.

WOW that's a heavy haul !!

Great camera skills

As a lad (1970's), my neighbor that worked in the Northern MN (USA) iron ore mines told me he ran the trains in the mine area with a remote control that was housed in a backpack he wore. I didn't believe him...

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Nice one , reminds me of the cane trains in Queensland shunting by the driver on the ground with a remote control

@buffalobob7172

11 ай бұрын

He was right I worked at a RR USSteel I started in 1973 by late 70’s early 80’s off come the backpack a box about 10 to 12 inches wide to 4 inches deep 4 inches tall placed on a belt rite in front of your belly he would stand on the ground and could see some lights on one of the four corners of the engine and the roe of different colors lights would tell him what the engine was about to do stop,reverse,forward or pumping air. He would throw switches and sometimes he would have another person on the other end of train with a radio telling him what to do

@danlowe8684

11 ай бұрын

@@buffalobob7172 Thank you for the info!!!

What is the fumoth verses the singfolding? How many kibbards would it take on any special jack time for us?

In America, there is no iron mining. There is refining as there is more than we need. I can only guess that this ore is going to the ones who need it, China. Amazing footage. Thanks for sharing it. I truly enjoyed it.

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Thanks , glad you enjoyed it , yes , most of the iron ore is shipped overseas .

@t3chman_

10 ай бұрын

That's not true, though iron mining is certainly waning in the US with mines continuing to shutdown (this has been the pattern with every type of ore). But there are still a handful in operation, producing millions of tons annually. Not just refining, but actual mining. Though there are also reclamation efforts from tailings, that might be what you're referring to.

Quick question - at about 13:00 mark you can see what looks like rail that is laid inside of the actual rail the trains are running on - is that some sort of derail prevention? Thanks and great video!

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

That is new rail ready to be installed on the curve

Absolutely insane. Suppose there's an obstruction on the track? One of those old GE clunkers catches fire? How long until a Rapid Response Team could get out to it?

@ShawnCalay-hi6gy

6 ай бұрын

5 weeks

Sounds like the rails were freshly ground in most of those shots. Cool stuff! On long runs like that, the biggest hazard is boredom and sensory hypnosis. I have witnessed napping engineers more than once. I gave up the ass callouses many years ago for less boring, dangerous and terrifying jobs. Ever been in a train wreck? I have, several. They are really loud.

@OregonCrow

11 ай бұрын

you done?

@tylerrose5232

11 ай бұрын

@@OregonCrowno

@Shaggy.242

5 ай бұрын

I worked on the two perma nent line camps and just to see the rail grinder at work during the night in winter with ahalf moon was mind blowing, i called the scene the lonely Dragon serpent, the pilbara has always been a magical place for me.

I remember in NZ on the seventies NZ Railways instituted the use of radios in shunt operations and the union furore that followed. On a lengthy goods train at the marshalling yard suddenly a ground shunt staff of 3 or 4 replaced by 1 guy with a radio. But that's just the start. Next it was single man train crews losing the loco assistant. Elimination of the rear guards van staff (read caboose) And then lose of the single ground shunt man when the driver escaped the shunt loco controls for a remote hand set on the ground. Bring back memories people's? That's how big business rolls with the how can we squeeze the last ounce from that bottom dollar. Chime in peeps from around the world..

Over here in the U.S. we refer to them as engineers

@jimcrawford5039

11 ай бұрын

Yes but we know what you mean. Lol.

@alexjohnward

9 ай бұрын

At Rio Tinto they call them ballast.

I am the director of operations at Rio Tinto Australia and I can assure you that while this video is genuine the captions are completely misleading. Our trains have one of the best safety records anywhere in the world, including Japan. And if you consider the tonnage we are the #1 in the world. In our country, it is completely illegal to operate trains without an operator. All of these have 2 operators functioning in a fail-safe mode. Further more, these locomotives also have dual and triple redundant controls.

@johnfenn

11 ай бұрын

What does that mean? Where are the dirivers? Are they in Perth? Or are they on the train? Or are the working from home?

@3sierra15

5 ай бұрын

If the trains have operators, why are the insides of the windshields covered?

@voidjavelin23

25 күн бұрын

​@@3sierra15 its a literal shade that protects from the outback scrotching sun

@voidjavelin23

25 күн бұрын

​​@@johnfenn yes there is a control facillity where these trains are controlled

My factorio senses are tingling

Great footage John, are they running DCC 😂, thanks. Peter.

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

Might have been a lot cheaper ,lol

@MilwaukeeF40C

11 ай бұрын

I think it is technically possible.

The fact that corporations spend billions so as they don't have to pay a driver enough to feed a driver and his family is a nauseating.

These driverless trains are intimidating as heck! Like just getting close to them with their sheer size is enough to say “nope”. But everything Rio does is big. Then you see them running parallel in the same direction and your like that’s just freaky!

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

Yes they sure are , just to watch one move off without a person on board is quite a sight to see

@WSTLNZ

9 ай бұрын

@@johnphillips592 Be the absolute perfect train for "HOBO's and Train Hoppers" (no one to see them getting on - or off, at signal stops along the way)

@johnphillips592

9 ай бұрын

@@WSTLNZ These trains run in the middle of nowhere , not much point riding them .

@WSTLNZ

9 ай бұрын

@@johnphillips592 Always a "point" to riding something - instead of walking - as who in their right mind (or in the mind of anything else) would WALK 1600 miles?

as long as there is a balance between automation and manned work then I don’t see a problem The problem I have with automation is when company’s abuse it to kick out the middle guy to save a few extra coins

There are so many things a good mechanic knows from feel, smell, touch and hearing that a computer cannot know and dosent have sensors attached to that this is insulting that someone could possibly think this is a good idea or is saving money. Only a corporation could be this greedy and detached from reality.

Great footage. Would love to head up there one day. At 11:35, was that a Rio Tinto bloke telling you off?

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

Yes , he didn't like me parking where I did but he was quite friendly about it, and you will notice I went back there again later but parked in a different place

once a train is loaded and ready to go, who initializes the loco to start moving? control center like with a drone?

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

It is set to auto by an employee on the ground then the control centre in Perth takes over .

@Highland_Moo

Жыл бұрын

David Rayner has a video showing how it’s done - he’s obviously one of the drivers or was one. He set it all up, locked the loco cab, radioed up the control folks and they sent the train on its merry little way. Unto about half an hour ago I had no idea such a system existed - I’m from Scotland and we have nothing similar. It’s amazing to see such a massive train trundle away on its own!

@davidrayner9832

11 ай бұрын

@@Highland_Moo Yes, I retired in Dec 2019 after 10 years at Cape Lambert. BTW, I was in Scotland in 2018 went the system went 'live'. Absolutely beautiful place. On my last shift before I went, I drove a train from Tom Price to Cape Lambert and when I came back 6 weeks later, I was told I'd never go there again and I didn't. Spent my final year in the yard and on the Robe line. At least we at Cape Lambert had the Robe line. No other depot still drives on the main line at all. Very sad.

What have I become???? Watching videos of unmand LOOOOOOONG ASS trains in the outback!!! 😊😊😊😊😊😊 I need to get a grip!!

Looks like it’s been wet up there but I suppose everywhere has had good rains the last couple of years. Not for much longer!

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Yes when this was filmed last year there had been a lot of rain in the region

That was fun. I wonder why they sat there for 5 hours with the engines running? Perhaps they could've aired up the consist 45 mins before departure or switched off two engines and left one engine running to maintain brake pipe pressure. I dunno seems like a waste of fuel but who am I but a KZread nobody with just another opinion?

@johnphillips592

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same , maybe something to do with keeping the air up , they have no one to put the hand brakes on .

@RyanHatterer-Ryanns999

Жыл бұрын

@@johnphillips592 The lead locomotive is the one responsible for the air brakes, both in controlling them and building air. The second two are only there to assist in power and braking. Now it might be different in autohaul but I doubt it. I don't know if these are setup with auto start/stop systems on them I would guess yes. They would shutdown base on water temp air temp etc. The problem I see with that and this might be the reason why they are left running is Autohaul can't predict when they will be on the move again, some guy or girl clicks start on the computer at the dispatch office and the train goes, so there be no time to start the second two. From what I have seen the engines are setup to go at any moment. If you list to the clips in your video John like at 5:25 these ES44DCi's are not in low idle (happens when you put the reverser in neutral to save fuel and start the auto start/stop system) they are in high idle ready to go. at 15:20 when the sun is shirring through the cab and no one is in it that to me... just scary reminds me of the movie Unstoppable.

Amazing video! Could be a scene from a J. G. Ballard story

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Thanks , glad you enjoyed it .

@robbie8466

11 ай бұрын

@@johnphillips592 subscribed :)

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

@@robbie8466 Thanks for that , much appreciated , please feel free to check out my other videos

So the engines just sat there idling away for 5 hours ? Glad they have the money to do that. Also when one of the trains went past at least 1 of the wheels was screaming it's head off .. had it locked up or the brake on it needed to be replaced?

@renniks1975

11 ай бұрын

Here in Ireland, GM locos in the more remote stations were left idling overnight in case they wouldn't cold start in the morning

amazing what pops up in your Yt feed, i had no idea these existed. greetings from the insane asylum formerly known as Queensland.

@johnphillips592

9 ай бұрын

Thanks , glad you enjoyed it , feel free to view more of my videos

Cool

If Francis Bourgeois were trackside his reaction may well bring about the end of life on this planet 😂

There is more explanation on how this system works?

Greetings from UK where the longest standard freight trains are rarely more than 30 wagons! How long are these things?

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

About 240 wagons long , weight varies depending on the loading , fines being heavier .

@walter9724

10 ай бұрын

Over a kilometre long if I remember correctly

@walter9724

10 ай бұрын

Actually its 2.4 kilometres long

Question, How many coal cars doesit take to have the equivalant amount of metal to buuild one outback?

This is every factorio player's biggest dream or worst nightmare.

Spent billions to avoid paying a driver thousands. Yep.

@hoofie2002

11 ай бұрын

Driver salary is us$100k a year plus cost of flights and accommodation Rio pay for

INTRAMOTIV in St Louis, MO is currently working on autonomous self powered rail cars. The cars are battery powered and when connected together in a train they all work together forming a "locomotiveless" train. Still in development but targeting this very market.

"driverless trains are not so friendly" :'))

Great to see train drivers being unemployed and obsolete!! Well done corporate agendas!!

@ednorton47

11 ай бұрын

They can always learn to code.

What happes if the locos suddenly run amuck i know i worked with remote locos when they go rouge watch out and they do

How does the train sense an obstruction on the tracks, human, animal, vehicle, machinery, or other debris?

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

There are cameras on the locos that are monitored from the control room but these trains are heavy and don't stop easily , maned or not .

There goes the driver

What I don't understand is why they don't just use bigger ore cars ? I mean there must be a reason but wouldn't it be better to have a train with 150 large ore cars vs one with 300 small ones ? I'm thinking maintenance wise etc ? awesome video :)

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

Iron ore is very heavy , if you had bigger wagons they would have too heavy axle load .

@glaticstorm32

10 ай бұрын

@@johnphillips592 Good point, I thought with the rail’s being used by heavy industry they might have allowed for a higher axel load but fair point, thank you for informing me 🙂

Is it autonomous or remote controlled? If the latter I would not trust it without extensive testing in accident-prone situations.

@johnphillips592

10 ай бұрын

They refer to it as autonomous but not sure .

@Hazza4257

10 ай бұрын

A remote operator (sitting at a desk in a skyscraper in Perth 1300 kms away) tells it where to go. It uses power and braking as needed to follow the speed limit and signals. However I'm not sure if the AutoHaul makes instantaneous decisions based on gradient and speed etc, or whether there is some sort of pre-programming of the power/braking needed to climb or descend down tricky sections of the line. In theory it can detect when a collision has happened and bring the train to a halt. But my understanding is it won't see a car parked on the tracks and apply brakes before a collision - not that it really matters for a train this heavy.

you have double empty tracts, latch and pull side cea siding to siding

so do these trains have a dead computer switch?

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Sorry , can't help you there .

@hitchmille

6 ай бұрын

😂

Any idea of just how many ore cars are in one train?

@johnphillips592

9 ай бұрын

Around 240 on most trains

Don't show this to members of any of the railroad workers labor unions in North America who think that this train should have 3 or 4 crew if it was in the United States lol

Their logistics division must all play Factorio.

excelente

@johnphillips592

Күн бұрын

Thanks , glad you enjoyed it , thanks for the comment .

If they bothered to frost out the windscreens on the front engines then why did they leave the windscreen wipers?

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

They aren't frosted they are the sun blinds and they still use drivers on the Robe River mine line

How long will it take to recouperate their investment? Is there an estimate?

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

Sorry can't help you there , probably take a while

Has there ever been stowaways on the trains?

@johnphillips592

3 ай бұрын

Don't think so , far too remote

How many trucks are they pulling

@davidrayner9832

11 ай бұрын

240.

what happens if the system breaks down, will they get drivers to drive it?

@johnphillips592

11 ай бұрын

They still employ drivers to run the Robe River line and also shunting operations

@matthewmassarotti2596

11 ай бұрын

@@johnphillips592 oh i c thx for the info

Thats kind of scary no drivers at all.