I do not understand why this is shocking. I am Greek and know very well all these things mentioned.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

We all have heard of that crap, it doesn't mean we take them for granted.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@RedCom You learned what? How to be a scam artist?

@theo9952

3 жыл бұрын

Προφανεστατα γιατι ο uploader ειναι το Αλβανικο αντιστοιχο των "Ελληναρων" υπερπατριωτων που θελουν "πόλη και αγιά σοφιά" , "μεγαλη Ελλαδα" και την τυφλα μεσα στα γκαβαδια τους. Οσο θα τα δουν αυτοι, αλλο τοσο θα δει και ο "erion 1871" την "μεγαλη Αλβανια", οσο και να προσπαθει, βαζοντας γελοιους τιτλους σε ιστορικα ντοκυμαντερ που ΔΗΘΕΝ "σοκαρισαν" την Ελλαδα. Ο ΒΛΑΚΑΣ.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@YLLY YLLY hahahahahaah "no past = turkalbania. You think you even belong to Europe? This is why you still beg for jobs from your superiors. Sorry but you have no history to deny. 100 years is not that much XD. Go and check your boxhead and admit your dagestani roots.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@YLLY YLLY Most of the toponyms in present day Albania are of Slavic origin. Recently, politicians in that country have proposed the creation of a government commission to "Albanize" all place names of Slavic origin: Kaplan Resulli: On the other side, most of the toponyms in Serbian and Kosovo are Slavic origin. Non-Slavic toponyms in South Slavic area are of Latin or Greek origin which means Serbs found Latin and Greek speaking population in Serbia, not Albanians. There is no single Albanian word in Serbo Croatian language.

I am arvanite from Italy, i live in Piana degli albanesi in Sicily, and we are orthodox albanians who speak albanian and italian languages who love Albania !! Ciao compaesani!!❤❤🇦🇱🇦🇱🇮🇹🇮🇹❤❤

@levesd3722

5 жыл бұрын

ahhahahaha you are a Turkalbanian immigrant and probably a muslim too :-D

@eneashini9911

5 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 dimmi solo dove stai

@eneashini9911

5 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 ciao Karispidhis Palikaris te qifsha çfarë te mban pragu shpis dhe vdekmit

@levesd3722

5 жыл бұрын

Gent albanians and turks are the same, same blood, same religion, same shit.

@eneashini9911

5 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 vieni che ti faccio diventare uomo

Why should Greece be shocked???? Modern Greeks are still 80% descendants of ancient Greeks. What does it matter that 20% of modern Greeks have some Roman, Slav, Albanian, Roman, Celt, Frankish Venetian Genoese Catalan ancestry

@publiusflaviusvegetiusrena6734

7 жыл бұрын

There was no ancient Greeks during antiquity. But even if there was, this idea of modern greeks sharing 80 % of lineage with some ancient European civilization is just ignorant, and even arrogant. Accept the fact that Albanians were a VERY important element in the creation of the modern greek state, and identity.

@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse

7 жыл бұрын

Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus Well genetics tells us that modern Greeks and southern Italians and Tuscans are genetically the same people. And since southern Italians are descendants of ancient Greek colonists who massively colonised southern Italy and Sicily over a period of 1500 years confirms that modern Greeks are ancient Greeks to the tune of 80%. Greeks and Italians have an Fst genetic distance of 0.0001 Fst, meaning they're basicaly the same people. Genetics shows that the Greeks have an ancient Graeco-Roman and Balkan Italian heritage.

@konstantinospechlivanidis7254

7 жыл бұрын

+Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus The population of this planet consists, of normal and dumb people. Dumb people from lack of education, perceive normal people as smart. Normal people, from failing utilizing their potentiality,perceive some of them as genius. In the and is all about using your brain,everybody have one. Except YOU of course.That is why i cannot call you dumb. Your mental capacity is, in an uncharted area. I once had an argument with a guy,he argued, that what makes us humans, is our ability to think logically. And if any person lacks this ability,is classified as animal. I believe that everything that is alive is animal or plant.if you’re not a plant then you are an animal! Specifically a mammal. Humans have isolated themselves from the animal Kingdom,by developing logic and self awareness. In this case,you are in half way to become a human, so we will be waiting you to join the rest of humanity. Good luck and best of wishes.

@publiusflaviusvegetiusrena6734

7 жыл бұрын

Κώστας Πεχλιβανίδης All that verbosity just to accuse someone an animal when they ask you to adhere to reality ... such is the nature of our times. Well what kind of human, or even animal for that matter, would openly deny logic and then become irate at the thought of accepting that reality ? Indeed humans have have isolated themselves to specific traits, even amongst themselves from those who learn that self awareness and arrogance don't go hand in hand, to those who mistaken arrogance as self awareness.

@konstantinospechlivanidis7254

7 жыл бұрын

It has the sum of you all other comment,that prompt this response.Νow,stop the crocodile tears, and don't bother me with your comments or responses, anymore!

"The documentary that shocked Greece?" Why? This documentary make me more proud to be Greek. I hope that some other countries can take this example of maturity.

@AlexHellene

3 жыл бұрын

@Thedoro Gatsis, it's disgusting, because it based on lie after lie, without proof of course, and a false attack on the Greek identity. Modern Greeks are not Albanian, or with an Albanian history. Famous Anthropologist Scientists such as John Lawrence Angel, Giuseppe Sergi & Carleton Coon & others, show that modern Greeks are a racial continuation from ancient Greeks after studying ancient and modern Greek bones: greekracialpurity.blogspot.com/ DNA testing proves that most modern Greeks are direct descendants of the ancient Greeks. www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

@AlexHellene

3 жыл бұрын

Currently, there are only about 25.000 Arvanites in Greece according to the latest census in 2001. Kolokotronis, the generalissimo of the Greek Revolution and army, in his memoirs, talks about how he drove out tens of thousands of Albanians and Turks, from the Peloponnese, and how he drove the Albanians up and through Epirus. There was only a small percentage of Albanians in Greece after the revolution. And today, 25,000 if people want to consider Arvanites as Albanians. Meaning very few modern Greeks or at the time of the revolution, are descendants of Arvanites, or Albanians.

@AlexHellene

3 жыл бұрын

​@YLLY YLLY This is completely false Albanian/Skopiano propaganda, that's been disproven over and over. While plagues did effect the population, the Greek population did not just ''disappear'' & ''empty''. Scientific studies itself shows that the majority of modern Greeks, are direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Famous anthropologists such as professors John Lawrence Angel, Giuseppe Sergei, Carleton Coon and others, all agreed in their studies that Modern Greeks are descendants of ancient Greeks. Recent DNA testing from the Harvard University also proves that the majority of modern Greeks are direct descendants of ancient Greeks from the Mycenean period: www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals So the idea most Greeks are Albanian by DNA, is just false. Also, there was a geographical area, in ancient Hellenes, referred to as ''Hellas''. The area was inclusive of the Greek City States. Ancient Hellenes living in Greek City states, referred to themselves as Hellenes - Hence one would had to be a Hellenic city state to compete in the ancient Greek Olympics. Also there was a province in the ''Eastern'' Roman Empire named, the ''Theme of Hellas''. Even in Western Europe after 800 AD, they officially referred to the Roman Empire, as ''The Greek Empire'', saying it had completely adopted and taken over by Greeks and Greek culture, and betrayed in the Latin Roman past, and only referred to the Frankish kingdom as the Holy ''Roman'' Empire. Even in his last speech to the falling Romans in 1453 before going out to battle, Emperor Constantine referred to his people as ''descendants of Greeks and Romans''. There's literally many of examples from historian writings, referring to the population of ''Eastern'' Roman Empire as ''Greeks'', that there's too many to quote here. So your claim, that there was no such thing as a Greek, or a Greek geographical region until 1821, is complete revisionist history. As for the minorities in Greece which was many in 1821, most of them got driven out of Greece by 1922. -Tens of thousands of Albanians and Turks got driven out from the Peloponnese by General Kolokotronis' army, as detailed by him in his memoirs. -Most Slavs in Greek Macedonia got driven out during the Balkan wars. -Half the Jews in Thessalonica left after the 1917 great fire of Thessaloniki. The other half, many if not most, are thought to have died, as the fire predominantly effected the Jewish quarter of the city. -The Turks in 1922 in Greece were than sent back to Turkey during the population exchange, and Greek Christians came into Greece. Therefore the situation corrected itself by 1922, and true Greek blooded people became by far the majority of Greece. Arvanites statistically are only 25.000 people according to a census, meaning they are literally 0.25% of the population of Greece.

@AlexHellene

3 жыл бұрын

As for language, Greeks specifically did speak the Greek language. It was simply their own dialect, therefore sometimes hard to comprehend. The village where my dad is from, speak Greek, but the villagers cut their words short - Kinda like slang. The village my mum is from, speak Greek, but with a strange accent. Both speak the Greek language, just a different dialect. Kinda of like comparing a Scottish person speak English, compare to a Caribbean person, or a Texan. It's English, just a different tone, and sometimes hard to understand.

@jahoshkoza9523

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexHellene What an idiot you are.

Why would Greeks be shocked by this video? Arvanites WHO were a people of mixed Albanian/Greek origin, contributed as man power in the Greek war of independence. Why should this shock the Greeks?

@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse

8 жыл бұрын

***** Of course they were, Arvanites were of mixed Albanian/Greek origin. Albanian families were brought into Greece by the Latins and Byzantines. Being Christians they mixed with Greeks over a period of 600 years

@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse

8 жыл бұрын

***** How do you think the Venetians arrived in the Peloponnese, Crete and most of the Greek Islands. The Syrian refugees today are walking all the way from Greece to Germany in a few days. Now who's talking out of their ass?

@Ichnaie

8 жыл бұрын

+Nick Dulic Probably more than those who were collaborators of the Turkish occupiers.

@Ichnaie

8 жыл бұрын

+Nick Dulic Albanians did not free this country, Arvanites did [Arvanites get insulted if one calls them Albanians and do not want any relation with them]. As I said, many Albanians were collaborators of the Turkish occupiers and were fighting along with the Turks against the Greeks to gain part of the country for themselves.

@Ichnaie

8 жыл бұрын

+Nick Dulic you judge others by yourself > exactly, that's what brainwashing does to you. The nationalist Albanian myths are known everywhere, and yes, it is also known that the Albanians were fighting along with the Turks against the Greeks to grab part of the country for themselves. Good luck with these myths in your mind and ask Arvanites themselves to get direct answers confirming the above I have written.

SEE SOURCE: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalism

who shoked from this video??

@Er-vv6vp

8 жыл бұрын

+Manos Sergio You and your nationalism.

@MrMaximospap

8 жыл бұрын

Modern Greeks interesting for this video? We live in an different world, Sorry but its not shoked nobody... the most of my friends laughing with this and my best friend is abanian he came in Greece in 1993 as economical immigrant with her family from fier, he laughs with this video...really...Sorry but my grandmas family was from Aulona from Northen Epirus....but today i cant live in 19th century.....i dont live in Northen Epirus or in a tsamurias village or in one of the ancient Greek cities of modern Albania...I live in Greece in 2015 and i found stupid this video....the nationalism in Greece died in 1922...

@benweb1105

8 жыл бұрын

+Manos Sergiou the truth will set you free... you need to know the truth before is to late and you may not be able to live in peace even where you live for much longer ...

@HandsomeStranger1963

8 жыл бұрын

+Manos Sergiou manos Greece is only 180yrs old. ancient Greece is a modern concept crested by 18th century scholars. you don't really have a choice. the "greek alphabet. was ancient when the ancient greeks arrive from modern day Pakistan. they ceased to exist in 397AD at the hands of the visigoths. not just in Greece but throughout the northern mediterainian and black seas.

@benweb1105

8 жыл бұрын

Manos Sergiou This is not about changing Greeks, but about changing Greek perception about themselves and their neighbors! It is not a choice but a must for everyone to know the truth so the Balkan territories could have a chance in the future! Why would the Albanian turn into Greeks would be oriented into fighting Albanian, while some 3rd parties enslaves them both and waits for the day when the territories are cleaned up and ready to be replaced with foreigners! Balkan quest is about indigenous people of Balkan called Albanian and also called Greeks, Kosovars, Montenegro, Macedonian, Turks, etc. You like the Greek identity because of the fake mythology and a temporary economic advantage! We all know it, but we should know better to survive because there are ethnic cleansing processes established and continue for generations

Parts of these ideologies were adopted during the Socialist People's Republic of Albania (1945-1991), which was more focused on the Illyrian-Albanian continuity issue[8] and appropriating Ancient Greek history as Albanian.[8] During the Hoxha era, scholars, and particularly archeologists, were impelled to establish a connection between the ancient Illyrians and Albanians.[8] However the core values of Albanian National Awakening remain rooted even today, while the ideology developed during Hoxha's regime is still partly present (though there seems to be some willingness for change[9]) in Albania and also Kosovo as well as Republic of Macedonia.[8][10]

@nickgreek6449

2 ай бұрын

can you please share the source ? I need it sometimes to shut these idiots up .

...The term Turkic represents a broad ethno-linguistic group of peoples including existing societies such as the Turkish people, Azerbaijanis, Chuvashes, Kazakhs, Tatars, Kyrgyz, Turkmens, Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Bashkirs, Qashqai, Gagauz, Yakuts, Crimean Karaites, Krymchaks, Karakalpaks, Karachays, Balkars, Nogais and as well as past civilizations such as the Göktürks, Kumans, Kipchaks, Avars, Bulgars, Turgeshes, Khazars, Seljuk Turks, Ottoman Turks, Mamluks, Timurids, Khiljis,

mrpericles...it's over..and give them minorities the right to use their language and the schools..you're claiming to be a democratic state..pffff..

@levesd3722

4 жыл бұрын

Democracy is for fools.

@jeffvalona909

4 ай бұрын

@@levesd3722 You are one certified fool.

The greek war of independence is nothing more than an albanian civil war orthodox suliots vs tosk muslims . Marko boçari vs omer vrioni where are the greeks here?

@levesd3722

5 жыл бұрын

LMAO, total bullshit.

@mehmetkara2666

4 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 even traditional greek clothes are albanian in origin

@eraldo_3830

4 жыл бұрын

@Greece 1821 All arvanite>albanian The term arvanite come from arberia the medieval name of albania the turks call Us arnavut from the greek term>arvanit This is the true history. Napoleon zervas so strong againist women and children and with the help of england and france🤣🤣

The title of the video is completely misleading. We know our history. It seems like you didn't watch the video and if you did you have learned nothing from it. Where did you see the Falsehood and deletions of facts about Arvanites? Who the Arvanites are is well known, they were and are part of Greece. They fought for Greece and are among the heroes of Greece. You are trying in vain to use the Arvanites in your narrative, it does not work because the Arvanites themselves do not support you.

They "forgot" to mention this: FALLMERAYER'S THESIS about MODERN GREEKS has been scientifically disproved. He was Austrian and was also considered a "panslavist", "slavophobe" and "orientalist". Today's interpretation of his motivation says that he wanted to prevent Russia's expansion into Western Europe and argued vehemently that only a strong Ottoman State could achieve this. His theory was also popular as part of the Nazi propaganda in Axis occupied Greece (1941-1944) during World War II, when classically educated Nazi officers used it as an excuse to commit numerous atrocities against the Greek population. Many studies of the past decades show that there is indeed a BIO-GENETIC continuity and affinity shared between modern and ancient Greeks: "An overall view of the findings obtained from these caphalometric analyses indicates that the Greek ethnic group has remained genetically STABLE in its cephalic and facial morphology for the last 4,000 years." from the scientific work: A comparative cephalometric investigation of the Greek craniofacial pattern through 4,000 years - by Viken Sassouni, Dr. Anna Xeniotou

@HandsomeStranger1963

6 жыл бұрын

393AD the greeks died. "britanica roman history" and left no descendants. you need to change your name from greek to anything else but not hellas either. you have no "genetic ties to the ancients. that name implies you do. it confuses all but mostly the "greeks" you will change your name before Macedonia. nothing in history says we died your the Frauds assuming someone elses historic identity.

@HandsomeStranger1963

6 жыл бұрын

did the word genetic actullay exist in the 1920s? they measured the thickness of skull bones to measure intelligence in the 1940s Nazi Germany. and facial morphology. oh 3D computer models too in the 40s you backwoods fool. time wasting "greek" with an ethnically neutral name.

@dannygherzgiher8430

6 жыл бұрын

HandsomeStranger1963 One encyclopedic article is the best that you could do. How sad. It could clearly be entirely false or taken out of context.

@levesd3722

6 жыл бұрын

HandsomeStranger1963 open a book once in your life poorfucktard. Your tiny BULGARIAN brain won't explode.

@snipeno

5 жыл бұрын

Greeks always have arguments to defend their lies. By who are made your arguments ? By Greeks themselves lol

If you watch till the end of the documentary you receive the best advice. Of course in England we share some of the feelings expressed here on this thread towards the Welsh, Irish & Scots. People are the same all over the world and it seems that history teaches us to celebrate our cultural & linguistic differences instead of resorting to genocide.

@mydogsbutler

Жыл бұрын

This pseudo-documentary was done by a bunch of leftist humanities flakes that have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to population genetics. The main narrator of this video is a self-declared Marxist. This is far leftist antinationalist ideology being peddled as scientific. Furthermore some in the UK seem to be trying to commit genocide against Greeks by trying to narrate us out of our history. It does this by proxy by ridiculously recognizing former Yugsolavians as "Macedonians". The British state also patronizingly plays stupid as they try to narrate themselves from Slav into ancient Macedonians. Then people claim to Greeks they speak for history and ethics.. The former Yugoslavians are about as "Macedonians" as the French are Scottish.. its a lie.

To all Greeks and Albanians alike, who tend to express in this channel their ethnic emotions in the ugliest way possible. Relax for god sake. This documentary HAS NOT, I repeat, HAS NOT any separation purposes between two nations who have lived together for god knows how long. I received comments on my inbox from independent viewers who think that we are both the same, that being stupid, uneducated, arrogant and short sighted. It is the duty of all of us, to recognize those deficiencies and in the same time to understand the cultural input of both nations in to one single mentality. Those who don't understand this, are living in the past and are welcome anytime to the present by refraining from any kind of meaningless language, ideas or thought, and possibly contribute in the right path of the future, the path of well being side by side with each other, as we have done so for more than 3200 years…

@christoskosmas5429

9 жыл бұрын

gx7ca One's belief that they are the constant victims of some third party's actions/aggression/oppression, which is what you are expressing in your message (e.g. "yes.. but its the Albanians who are in defense"), is one of the prerequisite first steps to adopting and justifying a nationalistic theory. I suppose that if I tell you that the Greek side feels similarly victimized, and that it is quite easy for it to construct a similar though process as yours, effectively vilifying Albanians for instance, it should not come as a surprise, but it probably will - as in the thinking you express there is an obvious villain and an obvious victim. It should be enough to point out that paradox in order to show that with this kind of thinking you effectively put yourself in a vicious circle, creating enemies in the faces of those you face by default as such - please consider that. I agree with erion1971's message and am sorry to see the kind of messages that are to be found below.

@christoskosmas5429

9 жыл бұрын

gx7ca It was never the question whether all Greeks, or any other people for that matter, are bad. I'm afraid that the fact that you feel you have to clarify that shows how you feel on the matter. Hope you don't expect me to be grateful that some of us are not bad. I understand my point was somewhat lost here, which was none other than that: what constitutes your private, personal truth, does not have to be a universally accepted truth, and certainly should not be assumed to perfectly coincide with the actual truth. Remember the joke about the truck driver who thought everyone else was driving on the wrong side of the road. It is good sense to maintain a question mark in your convictions, especially when they are inspired by, or inspire themselves, ethnic hatred. I resent blood-based theories so I will not acknowledge the rest of this message. The culture-based narrative of nations is definitely the one that makes sense to me.

@erion1971

9 жыл бұрын

gx7ca I would say we are most likely telling the truth more then being defencive brother. This truth we bring forward is our truth said with a greek mouth from the documentary. Whatever discusions we have here must be civil and not banal, thats my point.

@christoskosmas5429

9 жыл бұрын

gx7ca Lighten up, buddy. This polarized view on history is your own private matter, but it is not to be confused with the historic truth. More to the point, your message is ripe with particularly bad racial slur, which you should be ashamed of. Hope you calm down and understand that that is not acceptable.

@theodosiosdiplas3525

9 жыл бұрын

7 13 Calling someone a bastard is mostly a racial slur. Just want to point that out. I actually really loved this documentary. About not being Greeks. First of we were given the name Greece. Back in ancient history there were Spartans, Athenians, Macedonians, Corinthians, etc. However that does not mean they were NOT of the same blood. They called themselves differently because of their ideologies and culture which you so clearly pointed out. There were 3 Greek races that were established in Greece. The Ionian ( Athens, Pella ) Dorian (Sparta ) and Aeloians (Thebes) which ultimately after hundreds of years became a mix you can call Greek . Any country even Albania is foremost created by the same language, traditions and culture. When that is established after generations of living in that same region you can then call yourself a true "Input Country here". What i am trying to say you accuse of us not being Hellenes when in fact we are. Culturally we have lived on the piece of land called Greece for Thousands of years. Is our blood mixed yes! of course it is. Who's isn't. Albania was primarily of Slav. Was invaded by Turks, Bulgars, Huns ... you get my point. It doesn't matter if you are from any blood what matters is what you believe you are to be. Whether you like it or not that is the fact. Now if you want biological standpoint. Among all the races that are in this world . The greek gene pool is actually ( look this up if you want to , im not lying ) one of the strongest. What that means is that there is a higher chance that the next generation will be even closer to the same primary gene pool. Which is why till today we say. Oh he has a greek nose. Look this up. This isn't bullshit. To continue on. Are you talking about the Cham Albanians? (Τσαμηδες) . This genocide you speak of , was during the Balkan wars. It was done primarily by the Serbian and Montenegrin invasion of the Albanian region during the 1912-1913 yes?. So please next time you accuse someone , have your facts straight. Last but not least. I have actually went and looked all of this up, on actual books written by scholars (universally).

SEE SOURCE: Albanian nationalism attaches great importance to the possibility of Illyrian contribution to Albanian ethnogenesis. The 19th century idea that Albanians are descendants of Pelasgians[11][12] and that the Etruscans,[13] Illyrians, ancient Macedonians, and Epirotes had a Pelasgian origin are still common in certain Albanian circles. These ideas comprise a national myth that establishes precedence over neighboring peoples (Slavs and Greeks) and allow movements for independence and self-determination, as well as irredentist claims against neighboring countries.[14][15][16][17] The Myth of Skanderbeg is one of the main constitutive myths of Albanian nationalism. Albanian nationalists needed an episode from the medieval history for the centre of the Albanian nationalistic mythology and they chose Skanderbeg, in the absence of the medieval kingdom or empire.[18]

This does not make sense, what happened to all the Byzantine Greeks after the Ottomans (the same ones that were architects for Saint Sophia church that had long Greek names) took over the Byzantine Empire? The Same Greeks (Greek priests that help create written Slavic language ) that were part of Byzantine Empire. There were Byzantine Greeks in Asia Minor, Greece, Syria, Israel ,Lebanon, Egypt, Libya,on on I can go. Why do they find Turkish Pontian's in isolated villages speaking ancient Greek? Greeks were in both Asia Minor and in Greece in the eastern Roman Empire did they just vanish into thin air? The pontians origins were of ancient Greeks. Tell me why is there Sicilians that live in sicily still speaking Greek under an Italian rule , because they were of ancient Greek stock and they refused to give up there mother tongue . Don't forget how many Greeks came into Greece from Asia Minor in the the Greek Turkish Exchange. What a bunch of bologna, serving an evil agenda to destroy the Greek Culture. That's what Henry Kissinger wanted "we must destroy the Greek language, religion, and history ,so we can control the Greeks". Pure Evil

@HandsomeStranger1963

9 жыл бұрын

its "Greece" that dosn't make sense

@MAXIMVS_XXXIII

8 жыл бұрын

***** thats is true my friend

@713ca

8 жыл бұрын

+Charles Kerry they are called: "Arberesh". The "Greeks" today are Hellenized Bastards. And so they were ever-since some Hellenic sailors and traders came and started Hellenizing the Pellasgians (The TRUE INHABITANTS) of the area. Think of it like Britannia before and after Rome. The Hellenes are not from Grecia and Grecia is not Anatolia where Helenes were as well. Grecia is not South Spain were there were also Helenes. Grecia is related with Albanians more then anything else before this BIG FAT GREEK LIE caled "Greek Nationalism" was invented by the west to stop the Russian influence in the region. Kapodistria, the first head of state of Greece (the Albanian/Pellasgian) had close ties with Russia and the west feared the re-incarnation of the old Byzantie Empire that was founded the Albanian Constantine the Great as was the Roman senate founded by the Albanian Etruscan King. The Albanians are the true founders of European Civilization. They used "Greek" or better said "Hellenic" language just like the British used French or the Frankish used Latin. It was used for practical reasons by people that historically spoke another language. Today in south Italy, the Old Byzantine Church is Albanian and is under the protection of Vatican. They are Albanian. Like Troy and the City of Byzantium which was founded by Albanians in 700BC before the Hellenes came to GRECIA. BEFORE THE HELENES CAME TO SOUTH SPAIN and so forth.

@MrBg681

8 жыл бұрын

+Charles Kerry Byzantine was a multiethnic empire not a greek state! Even significant part of the byzantine greeks (the people that spoke greek language) were linguisticly hellenizated slavs, armenians, wlahs, arabs, turks, georgians! Even in Byzantine the greek was spoken in the costal areas of southern Balkans and west Asia Minor. Even in Byzantine times Epirand Thessalia (modern central greece) were latin and albanian speaking. North greece was and some parts are still bulgarian speaking. Even Pellopones was massivly setteled with slavs who preserv the language untill 12 century! Ortodox byzantian and ortodox ottoman are very complitly diferent things with ethnic greek! probably 50% of present population of greece there grandparents didn't spoke greek language as mother tonge! They spoke - bulgarian, turkish, vlah, albanian, arab!

@charleskerry845

8 жыл бұрын

+Dingo bg They also had Greeks with long Greek names too, I know that there was a multi culture society.

Excellent documentary. What makes it extraordinary is that it challenges the rumunated ideas repeated by everybody in Greece, ad nauseam. That such a documentary could be made in Greece and shown on Greek TV is an achievement per se.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

That mockumentary was such a disaster they had to apologize for making it ;-)

@levesd3722

2 жыл бұрын

@@burimbershanca2533 lol, I don't need to lie genius. 'Albanian' only exists for a couple of centuries. There is also a BIG difference between an albanian orthodox and an arvanite ;-)

@BruceWayne-yf2zs

2 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 u don’t like the truth , ask your grandma

@BruceWayne-yf2zs

2 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 u don’t like the truth

@levesd3722

2 жыл бұрын

@@BruceWayne-yf2zs I have no problem with truth, this bullcrap is not the truth though.

HRER ARE SOME FACTS FOR ANY TURK ON HERE: History Of Asia Minor: 1894-1923 During 1894-1923 the Ottoman Empire conducted a policy of Genocide of the Christian population living within its extensive territory. The Sultan, Abdul Hamid, first put forth an official governmental policy of genocide against the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire in 1894. Systematic massacres took place in 1894-1896 when Abdul savagely killed 300,000 Armenians throughout the provinces. Massacres recurred, and in 1909 government troops killed, in the towns of Adana alone, over 20,000 Christian Armenians. When WW1 broke out the The Ottoman Empire was ruled by the "Young Turk" dictatorship which allied itself with Germany. Turkish government decided to eliminate the whole of the Christian population of Greeks, Armenians, Syrians and Nestorians. The government slogan, "Turkey for the Turks", served to encourage Turkish civilians on a policy of ethnic cleansing. The next step of the Armenian Genocide began on 24 April 1915 with the mass arrest, and ultimate murder, of religious, political and intellectual leaders in Constantinople and elsewhere in the empire. Then, in every Armenian community, a carefully planned Genocide unfolded: Arrest of clergy and other prominent persons, disarmament of the population and Armenian soldiers serving in the Ottoman army, segregation and public execution of leaders and able-bodied men, and the deportation to the deserts of the remaining Armenian women, children and elderly. Renowned historian Arnold Toynbee wrote that "the crime was concerted very systematically for there is evidence of identical procedure from over fifty places." The Genocide started from the border districts and seacoasts, and worked inland to the most remote hamlets. Over 1.5 million Armenian Christians, including over 4,000 bishops and priests, were killed in this step of the Genocide. The Greek Christians, particularly in the Black Sea area known as Pontus, who had been suffering from Turkish persecutions and murders all the while, saw the Turks turn more fiercely on them as WW1 came to a close. The Allied Powers, at a peace conference in Paris in 1919, rewarded Greece for her support by inviting Prime Minister Venizelos to occupy the city of Smyrna with its rich hinterlands, and they placed the province under Greek control. This action greatly angered the Turks. The Greek occupation was a peaceful one but drew immediate fire from Turkish forces in the outlying areas. When the Greek army farmed out to protect its people, a full-fledged war broke out between Greece and Turkey (the Greco-Turkish war). The Treaty of Sevres, signed in 1920 to end WW1 and which provided for an independent Armenia, was never ratified. The treaty's terms changed not long after the ink dried as England, France and Italy each began secretly bargaining with Mustafa Kemel (Ataturk) in order to gain the right to exploit oil fields in the Mozul (now Iraq). Betrayed by the Allied Powers, the Greek military front, after 40 long months of war, collapsed and retreated as the Turks began again to occupy Asia Minor. September 1922 signaled the end of the Greek and Armenian presence in the city of Smyrna. On 9 September 1922, the Turks entered Smyrna; and after systematically murdering the Armenians in their own homes, the forces of Ataturk turned on the Greeks whose numbers had swelled, with the addition of refugees who had fled their villages in Turkey's interior, to upwards of 400,000 men, women and children. The conquering Turks went from house to house, looting, pillaging, raping and murdering the population. Finally, when the wind had turned so that it was blowing toward the sea so that the small Turkish quarter at the rear of the city was not in danger, Turkish forces, led by their officers, poured kerosene on the buildings and homes of the Greek and Armenian sectors and set them afire. Thus, any remaining live inhabitants of the city were flushed out to be caught between a wall of fire and the sea. The pier of Smyrna became a scene of final desperation as the approaching flames forced many thousands to jump to their death or to be consumed by fire. The Allied warships and shore patrol of the French, British and American military were eyewitnesses to the events. George Horton, the American Consul in Smyrna, likened the finale at Smyrna to the Roman destruction of Carthage. He is quoted in Smyrna (1922, written by Marjorie Dobkin) as saying: Yet there was not fleet of Christian battleships at Carthage looking on a situation for which their governments were responsible." This horrible act unleashed the last phase of the genocide against the Christians of Turkish Asia Minor. On 9 September 1997, a series of speakers and memorial services, honoring the memory of the 3.5 million Christians who were murdered by Turkish persecutions from 1894-1923, were held in the greater Baltimore Washington area. The memorial service was conducted by the choirs of St. Mary's Armenian Church, St. Katherine's Greek Orthodox Church, Fr. George Alexson of St. Katherine's, Fr. Vertanes Katayjian of St. Mary's and other Orthodox clergy. The 75th anniversary of the Christian Holocaust was memorialized on 9 September 1997, the date in 1922 of the destruction of the city of Smyrna. This memorial honors the memory of over 3.5 million Christians who were murdered by Turkish persecutions from 1894-1923. Not only was this the memorial of the Holocaust of Smyrna (now Izmir) and the martyrdom of Smyrna's Metropolitan Chrysostomos, but also of the 3.5 million Christians who perished during the first Holocaust of this century. But the events of 1922 are not an isolated incident. The atrocities committed by Turkish forces against a civilian population began before WW1 and have never ended. This event seeks to expose the continuum of a Turkish campaign of persecution, deportation, and murder designed to rid Asia of its Christian populace. GREEKS 1914 400,000 conscripts perished in forced labor brigades 1922 100,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna 1916-1922 350,000 Pontions massacred or killed during forced deportations 1914-1922 900,000 perish from maltreatment, starvation and massacres; total of all other areas of Asia Minor TOTAL: 1,750,000 Greek Christians martyred 1914-1922 ARMENIANS 1894-1896 300,000 massacred 1915-1916 1,500,000 perish in massacres and forced deportations (with subsidiaries to 1923) 1922 30,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna TOTAL: 1,800,000 Armenian Christians martyred 1894-1923 SYRIANS AND NESTORIANS 1915-1917 100,000 Christians massacred

@Cansu35.5

Жыл бұрын

Tamamen yanlış bilgi Yunan işgali nasıl barışcıl olabilir Yunanlar 1919'da Türklere soykırım yapmak için geldiler Kemalistler bunu önledi Kurtuluş savaşımızdan işgallere karşı ilk silahlı direniş Güneydoğu Anadolu’da Fransızlara karşı başlamışsa da, ilk Kuva-yi Milliye hareketi Batı Anadolu’da Yunanlılara karşı oluşturulmuştur. Yunan birliklerinin İzmir’i işgal etmesi ve Anadolu içlerine ilerlemesine seyirci kalan Osmanlı Hükümeti’nden artık hiçbir şey beklenemezdi. Bu durum, Kuva-yi Milliye’nin doğuşunu ve Milli Mücadele’nin başlamasını kolaylaştırmıştır. 19 Mayıs 1919’da Atatürk Samsun’a çıkmıştır. Amasya genelgesinin yayınlamıştır. Daha sonra Erzurum ve Sivas kongrelerini toplamıştır. İstanbul’un işgali edilmesi ve Meclis-i Mebusan’ın kapatılmasıyla Osmanlı yönetimi çökmüştür. Ulusu temsil eden, ulus adına karar veren yetkili organa ihtiyaç vardır. Bu da ancak yeni bir meclis kurularak mümkün olacaktır. Muharebesi, Kurtuluş Savaşı sırasında 1.İnönü Savası 6 Ocak 1921'de iki koldan saldırıya geçen Yunan güçleriyle İnönü mevziinde savunma halinde olan Ankara hükümeti kuvvetleri arasında gerçekleşmiş muharebelerdir. Yunan saldırısı İnönü mevkiinde İsmet Paşa komutasında durduruldu. Batı Cephesi’nde düzenli orduların Yunan ordularına karşı kazandığı ilk zaferdir. Bu zafer TBMM’nin iç durumunu kuvvetlendirmiş, dışarıdaki itibarını arttırmış, askere alım işlemleri hızlanmıştır. İsmet Paşa, Albaylıktan Generalliğe terfi etmiştir. İtilaf devletlerinin hiç beklemedikleri bu yenilgi karşısında durumu görüşmek üzere Londra’da toplandılar. Sevr Antlaşmasını gözden geçirmek zorunda kaldılar. Bu zaferden sonra Çerkez Ethem İsyanı da bastırılmış ve düzenli orduya karşı yapılan bütün müdahaleler ve isyanlar bastırılmıştır. 1. İnönü Savaşından sonra Moskova Antlaşması imzalanmıştır Bolşevik Rusya Ankara hükümetine silah desteği vermiştir 1921'de Kemalist ordunun yunanlara karşı zaferi Sovyetler birliğinin Ankara hükümetine yakınlaşmıştır Sakarya Meydan Savaşı diğer adıyla Subaylar Savaşı Kurtuluş Savaşının dönüm noktasıdır Dünyanın en uzun meydan savaşıdır 23 Ağustos 1921 Sakarya Meydan Muharebesi'nin önemini, "13 Eylül 1683 günü Viyana'da başlayan çekilme, 238 sene sonra Sakarya'da durdurulmuştur." Kemal Atatürk: Vatanın her karış toprağı vatandaş kanıyla sulanmadıkça vatan terk olunamaz. Demiştir Yunanların Savaşı kaybetmesiyle Mayıs 1922'de Yunan Ordusu Başkomutanı General Anastasios Papoulas ve kurmay heyeti istifa etti. Yerine General Georgios Hatzianestis atandı. Sakarya savaşını kaybedilmesiyle Yunanistan İngiltere desteğini önemli ölçüde kaybetmiştir Büyük Taarruz, Türk Kurtuluş Savaşı sırasında Türk ordusunun Yunan kuvvetlerine karşı başlattığı genel saldırıdır. Bakanlar Kurulu taarruz kararını alınmıştır ve 14 Ağustos 1922 tarihinde kolordular taarruz için yürüyüşe geçmiş, 26 Ağustos'ta saldırı başlamıştır, 9 Eylül'de Türk Ordusu İzmir'e girdi ve 18 Eylül'de de Yunan Ordusu'nun Anadolu'yu tamamen terk etmesiyle savaş sona ermiştir. (11 Ekim Mudanya Ateşkes Antlaşmasından) sonra Doğu Trakya Yunan işgalinden kurtulmuştur. Cumhuriyet bir Türk Mucizesi Kemalistler hem yunanlara hem İstanbul hükümetine karşı savaştı Türkiye'de Cumhuriyet ilan edildikten sonra 29 Ekim 1923 🇧🇪 Belçika'da Soir gazetesi 2015 yılında Türkiye'de modernleşme bu devrimler öylesine büyüktür ki bunların büyüklüğü karşında dünya hayla hayrettedir bu devrimler Doğulu Türkiye'den Batılı modern bir Türkiye yapmıştır. 1 Kasım 1922 Saltanatın kaldırılması (3 Mart 1924 Halifeliğin Kaldırılması) (Tevhidi Tedrisat Kanunu Okullarda karma eğitimin oluşturulması) 1928 devletin dini İslamdır maddesinin çıkartılması Laikliğin kabul edilmesi (1928 Harf Devrimi Latin alfabesine geçiş)

Very “convenient” mistakes in the translation. For example writing “people back then had great knowledge”, while the historian clearly said in very simple Greek “people back then were multiligual”.

Albanian nationalism attaches great importance to the possibility of Illyrian contribution to Albanian ethnogenesis. The 19th century idea that Albanians are descendants of Pelasgians[11][12] and that the Etruscans,[13] Illyrians, ancient Macedonians, and Epirotes had a Pelasgian origin are still common in certain Albanian circles. These ideas comprise a national myth that establishes precedence over neighboring peoples (Slavs and Greeks) and allow movements for independence and self-determination, as well as irredentist claims against neighboring countries.[14][15][16][17] The Myth of Skanderbeg is one of the main constitutive myths of Albanian nationalism. Albanian nationalists needed an episode from the medieval history for the centre of the Albanian nationalistic mythology and they chose Skanderbeg, in the absence of the medieval kingdom or empire.[18]

@stormrider6202

10 ай бұрын

Dud it’s already proven you can’t say nothing Albanians are EV-13 your history is a myth give it back to the Albanians where you stool it my Slavic brother who is incapable of accepting the truth and has to lie Lmao ! We’re the oldest Greates as we always said ! Genetics proves it your whole world is crumbling in front of you how do you feel when even the Greek historians have enough of your BULSHIT ? Hahahahah

HERE SOURCE: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalism

To all Greeks claiming that Albanians are mixed with Turks you’re totally wrong. In fact Greeks are much more mixed with Turks and Arabs (don’t forget historical ties with Egypt and Middle East). But if you see minority makeup in Albania, you don’t see anywhere mentioned any Turkish people and I’ve never heard anybody there claiming to be of Turkish blood. It is you guys who have been more mixed with the Turks. Hence the darker complexion. And don’t forget the population exchange between Greece and Turkey. What you’ve heard is just Greek propaganda trying to manipulate people and fabricate history as it has always done since Antiquity. There’s no such thing as Greek people. They’re just a bunch of different tribes who lived together and decided to create a new language and culture. And they try to assimilate other people into making them think they’re Greek. And later on same thing with Byzantium. In fact, if you read the dictionary, the word byzantine can be used as an adjective meaning somebody devilish and mischievous. These look more like Greek and Oriental traits.

@XTutorialsA

10 жыл бұрын

FYROMSKII :P This is your immature reply? Exactly! You are one of the greeks he was talking about!

KKKThe major Christian-Turkic peoples are the Chuvash of Chuvashia and the Gagauz (Gökoğuz) of Moldova. The traditional religion of the Chuvash of Russia, while containing many ancient Turkic concepts, also shares some elements with Zoroastrianism, Khazar Judaism, and Islam. The Chuvash converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity for the most part in the second half of the 19th century.

Everywhere we think of Ancient Greece ... we find Albanian people for instance if you visit Italy areas of 'Magna Graecia' you will find Arberesh (Albanian) communities : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia

@pompei1968

9 жыл бұрын

because ancient Greece is Albanian ...the illyrians were the first Europeans

@benweb1105

9 жыл бұрын

pompei1968 and interesting enough that is supported with genetic research as well.

@user-eg6um9js6x

9 жыл бұрын

Such an idea is nothing but hokum to any person who is educated in Modern Albanian, Modern Greek, and Ancient Greek culture. Greeks still in-fact live in Southern Italy, descended from either the settlers of Late Antiquity, or from Magna Grecia. The Greeks of southern Italy are called "Grico", from the Greek "Γραικός" (Grecos) which was also a term used for us in late antiquity, along with the "Ῥωμιός" (Romios). The Grìco do not speak Albanian, or anything close to it. Their traditions root back Ancient Greece, such is obvious by looking at their traditional costumes, dances, and oral tradition. The Albanians do not speak Greek, and never did speak Greek, therefore no connection to Ancient Greece can be made. The language of the Greeks today is the language we have used for centuries, Greek. The most rich language in history, the language of the New Testament, the language of Philosophy, medicine, mathematics, science, and also the basis of most language across the world!

@benweb1105

8 жыл бұрын

+Arvanite Epirote In fact the 'Grico' spoke mostly Albanian language before 1930... but the change in identity and the building of Hellenic school start making all inhabitant of Greece to speak the church langauge called Greek at that time but used to be called Romaico or Koine (Common) language earlier. So, the German King gave the new identity to Modern state of Greece! The Albanian were under sever genocide and theirfore mostly lost their ancient langauge! A genocide that continues ... becasue EU, Russia, etc will still deny while their disapproving of Albanian history and people continues and the support for those fake countries they created continues in effort to whipe out these indegenous people of Balkan, Anatolia, and Itally!

@pompei1968

8 жыл бұрын

Ben Web so your trying to say that a Greek or Greece is a total fake??? just a 19th century fabrication

......most all Greek Orthodox Christians (Greek- or Turkish-speaking) of Asia Minor including the Greek Orthodox populations from middle Anatolia (Cappadocian Greeks), the Ionia region (e.g. Smyrna, Aivali), the Pontus region (e.g. Trapezunda, Sampsunta), the former Russian Caucasus province of Kars (Kars Oblast), Prusa (Bursa), the Bithynia region (e.g., Nicomedia (İzmit), Chalcedon (Kadıköy), East Thrace, and other regions were either expelled or formally denaturalized from Turkish territory. These numbered about half a million and were added to the Greeks already expelled before the treaty was signed. About 500,000 people were expelled from Greece, predominantly Greek Muslims, and others including Turks, Muslim Roma, Pomaks, Cham Albanians, Megleno-Romanians, and the Dönmeh.

SEE MORE: Through the Pelasgian claim, most if not all European cultures are claimed to be derivatory, even those of the Romans and Celts.[24] Robert D'Angély is one of the authors that tries to re-actualize 19th century claims that Albanians descend from the most ancient peoples, the Pelasgians, and that the European "white race" descends from these people. According to Angély, Greek people or Greek nation does not exist (he writes that Greeks mixed with Semites) and that the ancient Greeks were Pelasgian Albanians.[25] Among controversial claims Aristotle,[26] Pyrrhus of Epirus,[27] Alexander the Great,[28] and Phillip II of Macedon (along with all the ancient Macedonians) were Pelasgian-Illyrian-Albanian[29] and that ancient Greek culture (and thus the result of the Hellenistic civilisation) had been spread by Albanians.[30] Macedonians are considered forefathers (among several others) of the Albanians. Ancient Greek gods are seen as "Albanian" as well.[8] Edwin Everett Jacques, an American 19th-century missionary [31] in Albania in his book "The Albanians: An Ethnic History from Prehistoric Times to the Present" supported and recreated these notions by considering all the Ancient Greeks Albanians.[32] Ismail Kadare, an Albanian novelist, winner of the Man Booker International Prize in 2005 and of the Prince of Asturias Award in 2009 claims that Albanians are more Greek than the Greeks themselves on the basis of alleged adherence to "Homeric" ideals,[33] and attempts to construct a Greek-Illyrian continuity.[33]

@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse

7 жыл бұрын

All total and complete bullshit of course.

@leutrim7104

7 жыл бұрын

truth always burns

@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse

7 жыл бұрын

Leutrim Gashi Especially when it's a pile of BS

@leutrim7104

7 жыл бұрын

HaggisMacfee Especially when burns your fake nation and history

@HaggisMacfee-JapanHouse

7 жыл бұрын

Leutrim Gashi What fake nation and history would that be then failbanian?

This documentary is based on fallmerayer notorious antigreek historian so no. NEXT documentary please

@levesd3722

Жыл бұрын

He was no historian, just a tourist with no academic education.

Greek fake

@levesd3722

4 жыл бұрын

Albania faker

@user-db8ht2hg9k

2 жыл бұрын

Turkoalbania

@user-gz3sr7kq3p

2 күн бұрын

Όσο εσύ και οι δικοί σου είναι ιλλυριοι άλλο τόσο είμαι και γω είμαι πυρηνικός φυσικος

Greeks, Albanians, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Turks... We're all neigbours, brothers and sisters.

Your title is way misleading.. it didnt shocked anyone in Greece we already know very well our history from our ancestors in ancient greek till know. There is not a single nation in the world without a change. The only thing everybody can do from now on is be a good and responsable citizen for his country and for the world which at the end of the day is our home

READ HERE: Albanian nationalism is a general grouping of nationalist ideas and concepts among ethnic Albanians that were first formed in the beginning of the 19th century in what was called the Albanian National Awakening. The term is also associated with similar concepts, such as Albanianism[1][2][3][4][5] (Albanian: Shqiptaria or Shqiptarizmi) and Pan-Albanianism,[6][7][page needed] (Albanian: Panshqiptarizmi) and ideas what would lead to the formation of a Greater Albania.

This documentary (from a mainstream media) is an ode to cultural maturity, in a subregion dominated by nationalists. I wish to see something similar in Turkey, Albania and other Balkan countries.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

this shameful byproduct of leftist propaganda has no place on tv.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

That was a monumental crapload even for a leftist mockumentary. Stuff like this will bring no harmony but the opposite.

@burimbershanca2533

2 жыл бұрын

Haha it bothers that some1 speaks the truth just like u guys pressuring arvanitas populations to say that r not Albanians or killed if some1 said. If u look arvanitas population in Greece about 4 milion, Arbresh population in Italy, Arnout population in turkey it’s about 4 milion so the only people that history and wars pushed out to migrate are the papulation called Arbror which is Albania. U r brainwashed budy members of greek parliament that say exactly what I am telling u.

@levesd3722

2 жыл бұрын

@@burimbershanca2533 lol, nobody's pressuring the Arvanites, go and ask one and you'll see. Their population is 200.000 at most and there are no statistics in Turkey, don't believe the bullcrap you found on blogs. Your communist fantasies are way out of touch with reality.

@burimbershanca2533

2 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 truth is more important then what u have been learning till now u know whether u like it or not there tons of documentary programs about how arvanitas would say can’t speak mother lunguage which is Albanian in Greece. Look it arbresht from Italy that they kept Albanian lunguage for 500 years not being pressured they still speak their mother lunguage but u have to think outside the box that u have been tought.

You can see that some of these modern greeks are going crazy from the facts...even though the greek historians themselves are clearly explaining how the modern greek state was created.

@mydogsbutler

Жыл бұрын

The "Greeks" in this video are a bunch of leftist humanity flakes that work at ELIAMEP. ELIAMEP is a pseudo-Greek organization founded by Thanos Veremis (whose also in this video). If antihellenic trolls like you remotely knew what you were talking about you'd know they see all nationalities as "imagined communities".... including yours.

You can see that some of these modern romoi greeks are going crazy from the historical facts...even though the greek historians themselves are clearly explaining how the modern greek identity and state was created.

@Pan20006

7 ай бұрын

Romioi is the Greek word for Roman 😂 the Greeks during Byzantium were just just assimilated and called themselves Romans

Interesting documentary about historical events. I had no idea about Bavaria playing a role in the modern Greek state.

@levesd3722

4 жыл бұрын

All modern balkan states were created by orders of the great powers.

@MakedonskaAkropolaMKD

4 жыл бұрын

Today fake "Greex" are western colony, nothing else. If the banks stop maintaining them with credits they will disappear in 2 days...

@levesd3722

4 жыл бұрын

and today fake 'maatsedonija' is a titoist creation nothing else. If the US forgets they exist as another NATO base they'll disappear in 2 minutes ;-)

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@Julia Haderi 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 vv

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@Julia Haderi Yes, just like Albania is a communist creation. There was never anything 'albanian' anywhere and certainly not an identity🤣

It really seems so tragic to me when some people do not know history and accuse other civilizations and then believe they have their own.

Why would the Greeks be shocked by this Greek docu presentation????

@levesd3722

6 жыл бұрын

Shocked? Never. Outraged by this bullshit? Yes.

@codexillyria4132

3 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 by bullshit ? 😂 I know the true is Hard for you

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@@codexillyria4132 yes, you communists keep denying it ;-)

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@Julia Haderi 🇦🇱❤️🇹🇷 🤣 🤣 🤣

@mydogsbutler

Жыл бұрын

This video is ridiuclous. Its a bunch of letist Greeks that have "deonstructed' themselves out of Greek identity They are peddling racist Fallmerayer myth as "scientific". They have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to Greek DNA. They aren't even qualified to have a professional opinion on the matter.

The whole purpose of the liberation of Greece till the Balkan Wars was to form Greece to it's traditional borders and islands. Did they get their borders of Greater Greece? No. Cause this would include more parts of Albania, the entire western coastal areas of Turkey and even Constantinople itself but that couldn't happen. Churchill tried and had intended before the outbreak of WW1 to push the Turks back deeper into Asia minor but that failed.

@Dynamo_Kyiv_Fans_Peristeriou

Жыл бұрын

Churchil,Turks and WW1 is something thay i listen first time in my life in one sentence.

till 1910 athens has spoken ALBANIAN...exist 100000000000000 library of the world for this..!!!!!!!!!!

@violetka1197

6 жыл бұрын

?? elpnike....the grek nation invented by europe in 1821......all greece was albanian.......kzread.info/dash/bejne/m4p9mNywZM29Y7w.html

@violetka1197

6 жыл бұрын

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@violetka1197

6 жыл бұрын

.here are 10000000000 library for greece albanian IN CENTURIES..CKICK LIBRARY.......l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fellines-albanoi.blogspot.it%2F2011%2F02%2F1_16.html&h=ATP5FoY9G57ajQAoLmIQLmv7-NN6FZdkQxwK3PSeseIEKkXgTfJrGlQFLawBwI0Uu1d_odqfCRHVzpMw9VQ2PVE06T-sBXb-ZJqyF1IJdZlwp1HcZixdgXGSOeWkIzsVxNSdHhdkxA Leggi tutto RISPONDI

@violetka1197

6 жыл бұрын

elpike...are books in grek language..in greece...........are they propaganda?? ahhahah...are professor of universitis of athens for propganda albanian?? hahah...you must go in biblotec in greece...you find all..!!!!!!!!

@violetka1197

6 жыл бұрын

bla bla bla bla..WE ALBANIAN SPEAK ONLY WITH DOCUMENT OF WORLD IN CENTURIES.,YOU HAVE ONLY LIBRARY OF 30 YEARS...LIBRARY OF RUSSIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ten months since my last comment.. Still in a state of shock!!!lol

BlueVergina Sun, Hi, first I like to thank you for bringing forward the link with more information in the part of history that the documentary covers, but also I would like to remind you that the video in this channel is in English, me being an Albanian, therefore any further discussion on the subject based on the link you sent us is limited on language barriers. If you take your time and tell us shortly your points where this documentary is full of distortions, I would personally appreciate it.

@mydogsbutler

Жыл бұрын

Not everything this video says is untrue but this is not really a documenary. it's leftwing polemists massaging the narrative to peddle their antinationalist politics. The Marxists in this video belong to a school of thought that sees nations as "imagined communities". They not only claim Greek identity is fake but others as well.. They also claim your Albanian identity is fake too champ.

@potatopack

Ай бұрын

vergina was a town established in 1920.... to claim themacedonian sun. to rename the town from Kultesh to Vergina.. so let us reame an ancient symbol like the sun using a modern town name... interesting .. so before 1920 what was that symbol known in that part.,.. The macedonian sonce!! Macedonia the Kingdom not partr of achean states and greec as a word to name a country/kingdom only existed from 1821... lost of covered up history and false mentioning

READ HERE: Classical Greece was a 200-year period in Greek culture lasting from the 5th through 4th centuries BC.[1] This Classical period saw the annexation of much of modern-day Greece by the Persian Empire[2] and its subsequent independence, and had a powerful influence on the Roman Empire and greatly influenced the foundations of western civilization. Much of modern Western politics, artistic thought (architecture, sculpture), scientific thought, theatre, literature, and philosophy derives from this period of Greek history. In the context of the art, architecture, and culture of Ancient Greece, the Classical period, sometimes called the Hellenic period, corresponds to most of the 5th and 4th centuries BC (the most common dates being the fall of the last Athenian tyrant in 510 BC to the death of Alexander the Great in 323 BC). The Classical period in this sense follows the Archaic period and is in turn succeeded by the Hellenistic period.

@contemporary1116

5 жыл бұрын

are you scared Claudius Tacitus ??????? the thruth always comes to lighte.Maybe not now but maybe someday. U are afraiiiiiiiid. Hahahahahhaahahahah.

@levesd3722

5 жыл бұрын

J L scared of your bullcrap? LOL, you communists are pathetic :-D

@sokollloshi9989

2 жыл бұрын

Name Greek or Greeks naver existed on any old maps before 1821s! I searched in Vatican Paris Venice Napoli and Stanbull archives! You can't find nothing, because naver exists what they call Greek state today before 1830s! Thets why what we call Greek state today have to change their own language from old to new to cover up the truth! It is the only country on the world today to change their own language from old to new! And i know why! Before i send any comment i make sure and research !

@levesd3722

Жыл бұрын

And the name sqip and sqiperia never existed until 100 years ago. You can search everywhere and still find no trace of them like that dumb0 above that made his 'research'. lol

@ghostofathens6600

Жыл бұрын

@@sokollloshi9989it existed Italians called us Greeks we called ourselves Hellen’s

Markos Botsaris the greatest of the Arvanites said "Ο Έλλην δεν μπορεί να αισθάνεται ελεύθερος εκεί όπου κυματίζει η βρετανική σημαία" - ionian islands GREECE Albanians especially Tosk tribe are sharing with Greeks heritage because many places in modern Albania were colonies of the Greco roman civilization like Durres (Δυρράχιον) for example.

Subtitles have made this documentary English, because it gives to all non Greek speaking viewers who might have knowledge of English language the perspective of the Modern Greek history told by Greeks in their own TV documentary. I REPEAT: TOLD BY GREEKS NOT THE ALBANIANS. The only thing I fully understand right now is that in case of what you’re saying its true, than the distortions and the fallacious theories of history, once again come from Greece, this documentary is Greek made after all.

@bdmn.9236

4 жыл бұрын

P Gus being honest i would hate being greek.They dont have spirit fight unless he has some albanisn blood.I have seen most of them they ate pure white and blue eyes just like pure albanian look.Never mind one day Greece will be destroyed somehow as it was built by lies and conspiracies.

@mydogsbutler

Жыл бұрын

Correction. Only a small portion of Greeks believe the neo-Fallmerayer narrative pedded by this video. The same authors of this video claim modern Albanians are a fake ethnic group too.

@kiboa13

10 ай бұрын

Your title is misleading Sir.. shocked for what? tell me something why did the arvanites which were obviously a mix of greek and albanian people (common thing between neighbour countries ofcourse) chose Greece and not Albanian state? why did they totally masacre albanians? why ? can you tell me that? Greek language derives directly from ancient greek, we undertand ancient writing.. why did the arvanites want to keep speaking greek and not arvanitika? During history no one can force you even if they wanted to speak one language.. look in spain which they tried it but there still are catalan.. and basko,,, so why not the arvanites....

SEE SOURCE: www.britannica.com/place/Epirus

great show.respect is the way forward,respect for each other,respect for your neighbor.

@jonkasa9007

9 жыл бұрын

respect to all..lets stop the stupid imaginary hate lol

@jonkasa9007

9 жыл бұрын

machristos i know..is true..thats how they make money lol brainwash us..and sell guns to us after that lol...is crazy...but..don`t forget that`s what big nations do..destroy small nation so they can use them as modern slaves.

@jonkasa9007

9 жыл бұрын

ok ..good luck to all

@jonkasa9007

9 жыл бұрын

machristos cheers mate..are guys having a drink for halloween or not?? lol..

@stevofrk6688

4 жыл бұрын

Ti malskies akouo , to aima ine aima, it doesn't matter if ur under ottoman empire 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷

Fun Fact: it didn't shocked Greece. The people around Greece thought that oit shocked them lol

Fustanella is greek NOT albanian!

@idkreally3594

2 жыл бұрын

Who cares where it came from why not just share it

@robertbicja5206

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@user-db8ht2hg9k

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirleonsolot9307 Your bastardized version is your Ottoman RELIGION

@V1927AL

2 жыл бұрын

Fustanella has nothing to do with greek people. When Albanias wore "Fustanella", Greeks still were figureing out which was their flag. This is your people saying that we stole it, people who have Phd.

@user-db8ht2hg9k

Жыл бұрын

@@V1927AL Albanians wear shalvar for their mosques & Greeks wear FOUSTANELA for their ORTHODOX CHURCHES

that establishes precedence over neighboring peoples (Slavs and Greeks) and allow movements for independence and self-determination, as well as irredentist claims against neighboring countries

i did not quite get, why this should shock greece? every educated greek is aware of that, and that's just fine :)

@eneotoska2864

4 жыл бұрын

Are every educated greeks aware that in 1821 were albanians with fustanella that made revolution and all the country spoke albanian before? Are they aware that in 1923 greece took 1.5 million orthodox people from turkey???

@nikolasmacedonites917

3 жыл бұрын

@@eneotoska2864 The problem is that your view of the events is as nationalist as those Greeks that deny all of it except it's from the Albanian side

@nihilioellipsis

3 жыл бұрын

@Argiros 1⃣8⃣2⃣1⃣ I'm just learning about this. It sounds like your approach to understanding it is reasonable and not hysterical.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@@eneotoska2864 Nope, those are all communist myths. After all you were either an Arvanite (and a tiny minority) or a turkalbanian.

@chrisnivo

3 жыл бұрын

@@eneotoska2864 Oh the whole country spoke Albanian? Alexander the Great was Albanian? You're the result of an indoctrinated society desperate to feel special yet all you've achieved is spotlighting your inferiority complex. Start recognizing the Greeks in Albania instead of making claims on Greek history

It's a shame that there are people who can criticize this documentary. so unfortunate...

@levesd3722

6 жыл бұрын

Not only criticize this piece of crap, we will deal with those traitors in time.

@mahircankucuk7016

6 жыл бұрын

What are you going to do to those "traitors"? get rid of them?

@levesd3722

6 жыл бұрын

Of course.

@benweb1105

6 жыл бұрын

There are some who think they will do forever with who speak the truth like they did with the Heroes of the "Greek" War of Independence after 1831.

@levesd3722

6 жыл бұрын

Indeed we will always do so. Revisionists do not deserve to live.

A masterpiece

@levesd3722

6 жыл бұрын

A masterfart.

@mydogsbutler

Жыл бұрын

A mastepiece of leftist incompetence. The authors of this "documentary" are all leftist from the humanities. they have absolutely no clue what they are talking about then it comes to greek genetics.

I thought most of this information was quite common knowledge. Not really shocking. But good documentary.

@Thugastrike

10 жыл бұрын

More like common lies moron.

@alicestellammj1333

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thugastrike my eyes hurt me from rolling after your simple bs, ignorance is a choice. Well done ελληνάρα

@Thugastrike

4 жыл бұрын

@@alicestellammj1333 "Well done ellinara", but you think all greeks descend from albanians? :3

@alicestellammj1333

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thugastrike fuck no lol fuck no🤣🤦‍♀️

@Thugastrike

4 жыл бұрын

@@alicestellammj1333 I'm confused. Can you explain?

This is not a documentary. A documentary is something different altogether. This i's a series, made and filmed under orders.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@YLLY YLLY hahahahahaah "no past = turkalbania. You think you even belong to Europe? This is why you still beg for jobs from your superiors. Sorry but you have no history to deny. 100 years is not that much XD. Go and check your boxhead and admit your dagestani roots.

@mydogsbutler

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Thanos Veremis of ELIAMEP has been peddling Fallmerayer narrative for years. He finally got the funding from somewhere. The "Greeks' the peddle this narrative should be excluded from Hellenic activities because they don't see themselves as "real" Greeks.

fun times

Many of the subtitles were wrong.

Albanians fantasizing they are Greeks out of envy. There wouldn’t be Albanians without Greece and Serbia as Albania never picked up a gun to fight their relatives the Turks. Most of the Illyrians lived from Montenegro all the way to northern Italy. Southern Albania was Greek and even in 1914 Albania was supposed to recognize their autonomy. John Wilkes the foremost modern authority on Illyrians says they should not be equated to the relatively shorter and swarthy Albanians. Illyrians were tall with light features and many speculate they may have been part Celt. They had similarities to celts also and lived as neighbors with them for centuries. Even Kastrioti is a Greek name and declares himself Greek epirote. His father and brother were Konstantinos and Giorgos. Why didn’t they use Albanian names? If Albanians had always been there we would have heard about them since they are between Greece and Italy the two centers of literacy in ancient Europe. Nor do other Europeans mention Albanians until the last millennium, maybe around tue 11-12th centuries. The via ignacia passes right through Albania but never do we hear of any Albanians from Roman’s or Greeks until medieval times. Yet the Romans/Byzantines knew about China, Ethiopia, and India but not a nation right in the backyard-actually in the middle of their years? The Carpathian hypothesis makes most sense under the circumstances and there is genetic-cultural connections to the area particularly with Romania, the Carpathian heartland. There are native Albanian words for trees found in the carpathians not not native to Albania, and Albanian vegetation often used borrowed words for things like specific oak trees etc.

Germany has some of the most immigrants in the world, and saudi and all the damn countries, because Greece has many immigrants it doesn't mean that they aren't like all other the countries, in every place like in europe people go to the richest countries like Germany and countries that they can live better like Greece, that is why we have many Albanian refugees mostly because we are very close :P

@Jasonplayzroblox15

3 жыл бұрын

Hello my friend this documentary it’s not about refugees coming looking for job this people the so called Albanian or arvanits they have been living there for centuries so next time you see an Albanian be nice to be Greek you have to be an Albanian and to be an Albanian you have to be Greek 👋

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jasonplayzroblox15 lolol you believed all that crap?

38:44 orthodox arvanites were the most important leaders of 1821 war of Independence,eg. Suliots............................................................................Mark Bocari(catholic) like me...

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

and muslim turkalbanians were their worst enemies

What did Albanians 🇦🇱 have before the Ottoman invasion? 1. Albanians had a University in 1380 in Durrës. To give you an idea: Germany opened its first university, 6 years after Durrës (Heidelberg University). 2. Albanians had 6 fully developed cities as much as Florence, Venice, Marseille or Paris. (Durrës, Shkodra, Drishti, Lezha, Berat and Preveza). 3. Albanians had the aristocratic class with 8 noble families (Balshaj, Topiaj, Muzakaj, Kastrioti, Arianiti, Zebenishta, Spataj and Dukagjini) connected by marriage even with the Habsburgs and the Bourbons. 4. Albanians had the humanist philosophers, who with their genius ideas, were advisers to the imperial families in Hungary, Italy and Austria (Gjon Gazhuli, Pal Ungjëlli, Leonik Tomeo and Gjon Durrsaku). 5. Albanian cities had statutes and were governed by democracy while at the same time America for example it was governed by the Cherokee Indians or the Aztec tribes who still drank human blood and lived as cannibals. 6. In Durrës, intellectualism was so high that we have documented in the 12th century for the first time the note of protest of an Orthodox Metropolitan, who writes to Constantinople, against slavery, 300 years before it started as a debate in Europe. 7. In Durrës, trade was done even with Tunisia, Ukraine and France, since the 5th century. While at the same time for example the Scandinavian countries still lived by worshiping the tree or the mountain. 8. The Church of Albania had issued a Cardinal (and a cardinal was no small thing then). What happened next? The Ottomans just came and for 500 years made that every Albanian forgot who they really were.

What so good about Greeks coming from Turkey on the Macedonian land comiting genocide from 1912 to now

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

And what's so good about you BULGARIANS pretending to be 'macedonians'? ;-)

@levesd3722

2 жыл бұрын

@Agim Skifteraj and what's good about asian Dagestani tatar? Trying to be fake illyrian? lol

@levesd3722

2 жыл бұрын

@Agim Skifteraj but the funny part is you Dagestani turkalbanians are only 'autocthonous' in the Caucasus area without any trace or knowledge of the illyrian language but your communist crap XD

@levesd3722

2 жыл бұрын

westernized turkalbanian dagestani immigrant there is nothing logical with you turkalbanians from caucasus and dagestan and the illyrians that livced thousands of years ago. At least yoru boxheads look the same with other tribes of asia lol. Your 'names' were communist imposed before that you either called yourselves abdul or hassan XD. The name 'albania' was invented for you by the italians something they regret now and still have the stolen chicken from the byzantine flag to go with your turkalbanian stolen communist identity XD

SEE that albanains are not an ancient tribe: after 1204 ce, but in 1318 Serbs and Albanians overran the area, and in 1430 the Ottoman Turks annexed it. Under Turkish rule,

This documentation don't said that albanians are an ancient tribe

@nikosrivasrivas5189

7 жыл бұрын

KoivuTheHab my life is to tell the truth and stop lies of albanians

@nikosrivasrivas5189

7 жыл бұрын

it' s FACT barnesha that Dokumentation dont Sand that uncivilizations albanians are a ancient trieb

@nikosrivasrivas5189

7 жыл бұрын

My Life is thousands bettet that your life cause i a m GREEK and dont uncivilization albanian

@hamitkoci4286

7 жыл бұрын

Nikos Rivas rivas You speak of civilization, ans yet you cannot form a proper sentence. You sound like a blabbering idiot.

@nikosrivasrivas5189

7 жыл бұрын

cause ALL THE WORLD Know about GREEK HISTORY

(Κρυφό σχολείο υπήρχε ΚΑΙ στη Βουλγαρία ! Οπότε, δεν είναι 'παραμύθι'.) Here the Turks are presented almost as “victims”, while they have made horrible violence through 4-5 centuries in all the territories of their Ottoman empire! Of course, this is a very heavy fact that no one can forget easily and luckily it didn’t provoke even worse reaction from the part of Greeks, Bulgarians and others. The fact that different populations had come in Greece doesn’t change the fact of EXISTANCE of a Greek population. Otherwise, no European nation can claim pure origins in no case!

......as a matter of fact that they spoke Albanian. Now, if half of the population is not of Hellenic origin, (but Illyrian one) how can you claim Hellenic ancient roots for the whole population that lives in modern Greece today? This is the point. Try to solve this and then come back with some really good answer. Until then, please spare us your Greek ethnocentric behavior. It’s out of date. Take care.

@AkakaDomenjer

2 жыл бұрын

Not all Albanians are Illyrians. Majority is aromanians, like Greeks. Arvanites are aromanians

THIS DOCUMENTARY dont "shocked Greece" only said that arvanites have albanians roots a tribe which have his own roots in 12th CENTURY AFTER CHRIST an age which dont belogs to ANCIENT AGE

@illyria7763

8 жыл бұрын

can you show us one historical document or map which shows "greeks' during ancient period ?

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

READ HERE: Ancient Greece was a civilization belonging to a period of Greek history that lasted from the Archaic period of the 8th to 6th centuries BC[citation needed] to the end of antiquity (c. 600 AD). Immediately following this period was the beginning of the Early Middle Ages and the Byzantine era.[1] Included in ancient Greece is the period of Classical Greece, which flourished during the 5th to 4th centuries BC. Classical Greece began with the repelling of a Persian invasion by Athenian leadership. Because of conquests by Alexander the Great of Macedonia, Hellenistic civilization flourished from Central Asia to the western end of the Mediterranean Sea.

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

READ HERE: The history of Greece encompasses the history of the territory of the modern state of Greece, as well as that of the Greek people and the areas they ruled historically. The scope of Greek habitation and rule has varied much through the ages, and, as a result, the history of Greece is similarly elastic in what it includes. Each era has its own related sphere of interest. The first (proto-) Greek-speaking tribes are generally thought to have arrived in the Greek mainland between the late 3rd and the first half of the 2nd millennium BC - probably between 1900 and 1600 BC.[1] When the Mycenaeans invaded, the area was inhabited by various non-Greek-speaking, indigenous pre-Greek people, who practiced agriculture as they had done since the 7th millennium BC.[2] At its geographical peak, Greek civilization spread from Greece to Egypt and to the Hindu Kush mountains in Afghanistan. Since then, Greek minorities have remained in former Greek territories or other territories colonised by Greeks (e.g., Turkey, Albania, Italy, and Libya, Levant, Armenia, Georgia, etc.), and Greek emigrants have assimilated into differing societies across the globe (e.g., North America, Australia, Northern Europe, South Africa, etc.). Today most Greeks live in the modern state of Greece (independent since 1832) and Cyprus.

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

Undisputed Future YOU WANT A SOURCE to PROVE THIS?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

Undisputed Future ITS MY HONOUR: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greece

The only thing which saying speaker is that arvanites roots in Albania 16th Century after Christ that have nothing to do with Ancient Age

@kinostudio100

8 жыл бұрын

because there were Albanians who fought for so long to bring freedom to the Greece

@nikosrivasrivas5189

8 жыл бұрын

Why you don't provided FACTS??????

@nikosrivasrivas5189

8 жыл бұрын

kinostudio100 cause you are uneducated albanian????

@konstantinospechlivanidis7254

7 жыл бұрын

Again no argument no logic just plain stupidity as expected of you! In some bizarre way you are reliable, when it comes for stupidity !

@xoxo8827

7 жыл бұрын

you either Turkish or Albanian.

lets not forget greeks invented medicine,math, philosophy,arts, poetry, olympics, democracy,euclidean geometry, greek fire, ballista,trigonometry,the thermometer,the anchor,the map,alarm clock ,pythagorean theorem,marathon i could go on a lot more but i wont, and by the way those lands always went back and forth. oh ya 1 more thing look it up a greek 1st figured out the world was round. also why is 1 of the 3 languages greek for the bible,even egyptians used greek letters for their language,why use all greek words for medical terms, and not only for medical terms but for many other situations?

SEE also here: Parts of these ideologies were adopted during the Socialist People's Republic of Albania (1945-1991), which was more focused on the Illyrian-Albanian continuity issue[8] and appropriating Ancient Greek history as Albanian.[8] During the Hoxha era, scholars, and particularly archeologists, were impelled to establish a connection between the ancient Illyrians and Albanians.[8] However the core values of Albanian National Awakening remain rooted even today, while the ideology developed during Hoxha's regime is still partly present (though there seems to be some willingness for change[9]) in Albania and also Kosovo as well as Republic of Macedonia.[8][10]

@AfterDarknessiFeel

6 ай бұрын

illyrian - albanian ???? HA HA HA !!!! Stop albanian drugs. Albanians are not Illyrians .Thats a stupid albanian fairytail because albania has no ancient history.....

SEE WHY the NAME EPIRUS is GREEK and MEANING GREEK: After the Mycenaean civilization declined, Epirus was the launching area of the Dorian invasions (1100-1000 bce)of Greece. The region’s original inhabitants were driven southward by the Dorians, and out of the ensuing migrations three main clusters of Greek-speaking tribes emerged in Epirus: the Thesproti of southwestern Epirus, the Molossi of central Epirus, and the Chaones of northwestern Epirus. They lived in clusters of small villages, in contrast to most other Greeks, who lived in or around city-states.

@publiusflaviusvegetiusrena6734

8 жыл бұрын

it's clear that most of you greeks that wan't to deny the reality are not ready to have an honest discussion about this...but you can not hide the truth by spamming comments on youtube.

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

HERE Is EVEDENCE that barneshas try to falsifictse facts of HISTORY Albanian nationalism is a general grouping of nationalist ideas and concepts among ethnic Albanians that were first formed in the beginning of the 19th century in what was called the Albanian National Awakening. The term is also associated with similar concepts, such as Albanianism[1][2][3][4][5] (Albanian: Shqiptaria or Shqiptarizmi) and Pan-Albanianism,[6][7][page needed] (Albanian: Panshqiptarizmi) and ideas what would lead to the formation of a Greater Albania.

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

ALL RECORNIZED HISTORICAL BOOKS wrote about ANCIENT GREEKS

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus and NOONE of barneshas

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

READ MORE that barneshas are gay lies: Parts of these ideologies were adopted during the Socialist People's Republic of Albania (1945-1991), which was more focused on the Illyrian-Albanian continuity issue[8] and appropriating Ancient Greek history as Albanian.[8] During the Hoxha era, scholars, and particularly archeologists, were impelled to establish a connection between the ancient Illyrians and Albanians.[8] However the core values of Albanian National Awakening remain rooted even today, while the ideology developed during Hoxha's regime is still partly present (though there seems to be some willingness for change[9]) in Albania and also Kosovo as well as Republic of Macedonia.[8][10]

Albanians and Greeks are the same people just split into two groups.

@levesd3722

6 жыл бұрын

hmmmm, no

So what is the shocking part of this documentary? This is taught in Greek schools. They are missing a lot of facts here and summed it vaguely cause its 400 years in the making of the Greek state since the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire. The Orthodox Church always played a major role since the Ottoman Occupation. The Greek elites of Constantinople and Smirna emigrated to Europe and Italy and helped start the Renaissance bringing the classics to Western Europe. The war of 1821 was a making of many decades with Greeks abroad and philhellins seeing the decline of the Ottomans sending weapons and money to fight and even Greeks from Russia part of Russian military command to help lead Greece. Most Greek war heroes of 1821 were found by elite Greeks taking over politics of Greece as traitors and executed.

@mydogsbutler

Жыл бұрын

This video was made by a bunch of "Greek" leftists suffering an identity crisis. They are mostly leftist flakes that work at ELIAMEP. It claims to be a "Greek" think-tank but the people working there don't actually have a Greek identity in anything but name. (including founder Thanos Veremis) A portion of the "Greek" left have bought into Fallmerayer narrative and analogized themselves out of their Greek identity. These same sorts support the mass violation of Greek borders and supported calling Skopians "macedonians". They frame their behavior "democracy" and "human rights During the Greek civil war same sorts of far leftist nitwits support communist tyranny and tito's irredentism. They don't have a Greek identity. Their identity is their leftist cult. They are so obsessed with antinationalism they are literally antihellenic. .

11:16 *German Hans Hattenhauer claims that Greeks would still be speaking 'Arvanitika', what is Mr Hattenhauer basing this ridiculous notion on?, this is his own original research, this is a baseless claim of which Hattenhauer cannot verify in any way. During the Ottoman occupation of Greece until 1800s the majority of Greeks in mainland Greece spoke the Greek (called Romaika or Romaic this can be clearly demonstrated for every century of Ottoman occupation) and never the dialect of 'Arvanitika'. The fact that Skai allowed scholars, some foreigners with no empathy or consideration for Greek people (one a German Hans Hattenhauer who speaks Greek and has quoted Fallmerayer in his works, the other an Englishman who published a book sympathizing with Lord Elgin, clearly with at least some anti-Greek sentiment) to push their fringe-theory views into a documentary that would be viewed by the mainstream public show ill intent on Skai’s part. There are scholars which have many different theories about many different subjects, fringe theories should never be portrayed as fact.*

@ArchHades

8 жыл бұрын

+IlluminatiGangBanged Yes that is true, though Arvanitika was spoken by a significant minority population in Greece, it was never the dominant language. Most modern estimates estimate the Arvanitika speaking population in the early 19th century was around 10%.

@RefresinfoBlogspotGr

6 жыл бұрын

Arch Hades the problem with the documentary is the way this fact is being presented.. they make it appear like Greeks during this era were speaking only "arvanitika".. when the actual fact is what you said... Also, there are a couple of inaccuracies in the english subs making things even worse..

@snipeno

5 жыл бұрын

For you nothing will be accurate enough. The documentary has shown as many proves you wish, you just chosed to not see them.

@levesd3722

5 жыл бұрын

Oh we have seen them, they are just total crap.

@erickbehari6740

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks god this documentary wasn't made by Albanians haha Just accept the fact that today Greeks are sons of Albanians 😂😂 be proud sons and daughters of Albanians lol

Hunza People Origin - With Albanian Roots, Illyrians / Ancient Macedonians (PART 1 of 2)

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

ELLINES OR HELLENIC Kamayim vurdum yere is a folk dance belonging to the Karamanlides & Turkish-speaking Cappadocian Greeks. Lyrics Καμαΐμ βουρντούμ γερέ Κανληνήμ ντόλτου ντερέ Αχ μεντίλ μεντίλ μεντίλ, γκάλντηρ κολλάρην μεντίλ Χεπ σιοζλέρνιν μπιρ γιαλάντηρ Γκιρ κογιουνουμά ινάντηρ. Τσαγρήν ανάν μη γκέλσιν; Μπενίμ ακράμπαμ νερέ; Καμά τσεκέριμ καμά Μπιρ κηζ βερίν αρκαμά Μπιρ κηζ μπανά τσοκ μουντούρ Μα λενιζντέ γιοκ μου ντούρ. Transliteration Kamayim vurdum yere Kanlınım doldu dere Ah mendil mendil mendil galdır golların mendil Hep sözlerin bir yalandır gir goynuma inandır. Çağrın anan mı gelsin? Benim akrabam nere? Kama çekerim kama Bir kız verin arkama Bir kız bana çok mudur Ma’lenızde yök mu dur.[4]

Thanks to this guys that are telling us the truth. We have to rewrite the history as soon as posible

@levesd3722

5 жыл бұрын

And write bullshit instead? No thanks.

@mehmetkara2666

4 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 no the truth that ancient greece did not exist before 1830`s , it was fabricated by western think tanks to justify the "independence" war of Balkan people against Ottomans.

@levesd3722

4 жыл бұрын

@Mehmet Kara Then Turkey did not exist before 1921, it was all a scam by the Kemalists so they could rule a new country.

@sxckitmecck7304

4 жыл бұрын

Mehmet Kara you are so stupid it’s funny 😂 ancient Greeks were not a “lie” or “made up” go see our ruins if you don’t believe us

@levesd3722

4 жыл бұрын

@Greece 1821 as'tous na theloun. Geloioi ginontai.

I do not want my dog ​​to be Greek

@levesd3722

5 жыл бұрын

And nobody wants his dog to be stolen by albanians.

Go ALBANIA!!!!!!

@levesd3722

6 жыл бұрын

Die TURKALBANIA

@edgars6044

4 жыл бұрын

Archie capital letter use shows desperation. Back to school I say!!!

SEE the MEANING of GREEK WORD EPIRUS: The name Epirus, from the Greek "Ήπειρος" meaning "continent" may refer to

@publiusflaviusvegetiusrena6734

8 жыл бұрын

The word Epirus, or EPiri dont have NONE logical translation with the modern greek language. The connection with Illyrians and Albanians is more logical than with greeks and ancient hellens. The Albani is a documented tribe of Illyrians but "greek" is NEVER mentioned anywhere in historical records as a tribe of ancient hellens. The modern greek identity was created in the 19th century with religious ideology. anyone who is not baptised is considerdd as a non greek. so this means that even africans can be modern greeks if they become baptised by the church. the modern greeks did not have any real ethnic names they used, your ancestors only called themselves as romioi rums for 1,500 years.

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

The name Epirus, from the Greek "Ήπειρος" meaning "continent" may refer to:balkans223

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

so ifyou are albanian an alaphabetic i sorry for that

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

EVERYBODY can proove the SOURCE: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epirus_(disambiguation)

@claudiustacitus5567

8 жыл бұрын

SEE the SOURCE: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalism

Когда нибудь все равно правда всплывает.

@Dynamo_Kyiv_Fans_Peristeriou

Жыл бұрын

🇲🇰=🇧🇬

you can repeat your lies billions of tines

Even the name Graeci came from Graia... Old Woman in Albanian language (which is at the center of PIE languages) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graea

@benweb1105

4 жыл бұрын

@Greece 1821 , the name 'Albania' was applied before the Ottoman Empire was ever formed. Here you can learn about the Principality of Arbanon 1210: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Arbanon After the distraction of Roman Empire of the East from the Western Crusaders in 1204. BTW, the Western used to call Eastern Roman Empire as Graeka because of changing its Official language from Latin into Greek. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople

@Pan20006

7 ай бұрын

Do you realise that albanian has hundreds of Greek loan words but most of your loan words are of Latin origin

how many movies have been made about albanians, turks or any other nations? now how many movies have been made by other cultures about the GREEKS? how many nations took GREEK children to get the GREEK dna in their blood? god bless the civilized GREEKS!!!

@panagiotiskingofgreece4981

10 жыл бұрын

so even the zionists made movies about us. thanks for the confirmation! SOME albanians helped us. thats for sure. But they didnt save us!!! were albanians muslims before the turks?

@tonyvuplus6989

9 жыл бұрын

Yes when you Create a country in Myth and Movie is more then a normal you will have many Movies truth for sure no thing.

@panagiotiskingofgreece4981

9 жыл бұрын

Tony Vuplussales mythology is slowly being confirmed by archaeologists and many scholars. back in ancient times people would tell stories to keep track of history and the translations from greek to english is not the same. for example when they say that a person was a beast of a man doesnt mean he was literally a beast but sometimes they did mean it. in an island in greece they found giant bones of an animal they never seen before. same island where odysseus described those creature. read something so you can open your eyes

@ClydeAlb

2 жыл бұрын

Which Greek DNA? You have same DNA with Turks go check it😂and the rest are just myths as u could see from the Greek documentary ,Most of Greece are Albanian Arvanites and the rest are Turks and Africans 😂

@panagiotiskingofgreece4981

2 жыл бұрын

@@ClydeAlb albanians r greek the powers that be r trying to separate us. N yes turks english russians stole our kids for greek dna. N no our dna is not the same at all. We have been mixing it through history but not the same. Sorry

THATS why they DONT PROVIDED any kind of SOURCE or FACTS

One of the most anti hellenic documentaries

@levesd3722

Жыл бұрын

Full of leftist lies.

@levesd3722

Жыл бұрын

@@Dani-px1jy this mockumentray is anti-truth. It is a bunch of farts only communist albanians might believe.

@user-eg9bi4wx9j

Жыл бұрын

@@Dani-px1jy bAsiC FacTs yea it says greek became philhellenic. Thats like saying germany put some flags in the square and was made philogermanic. Thats called patriotism. An english man using greek architecture is philhellenic, a french one also. When a greek purges signs of foreign occupation and embraces that which was his in the past, that is loving your country and heritage etc patriotism. Talking bout Greece trying to be greek like its a bad thing. Skai is funded by rich Turks(check survivor reality), it is but a deliberate attempt to weaken greek ethnic sentiment

at the point 11:20 the speaker MrHans Eidenaier (German) claims that without the idealism of ancient Greek language Greeks even today would still speak Arvanitika and in parentesis they wrote Albanian but nobody modern Albanian can understand Arvanitika and all modern Greeks can understand even Katharevousa(kind of Greek language close 2 ancient Greek). Anyway, what is not mentioned is why centuries before the Greek revolution and during the period historians call as Modern Greek Enlightenmentall, the Greek Scholars who wanted to enlighten and wake up the Greeks write their books in Greek and not in Arvanitika. It's not only the dozens of scholars but also many Greek generals who had never taught even how to write.... learn the alphabet and decide to write their memories from the battles in Greek and not in Arvanitika just like General Makriyannis and others did. The question is how all those knew the Greek since according to Eidenaier nobody spoke Greek those time? And why to do such thing if nobody could understand them since the population we call Greeks spoke Arvanitika? It's like Denis Diderot wanted to adress to French people in order to enlighten them and wrote in Spanish!!! Does this make any sense?

@kristiantropoja2614

8 жыл бұрын

+MrCrazylicious we albanian can understand arvanite stp you greek can not understand bc they speak albanian

@MrCrazylicious

8 жыл бұрын

Kristian Tropoja honestly and with ur hand in ur heart? All Albanians can understand arvanitan-greek dialect? I travel once a year in Epirus(South Albania) and i discuss with many Albanians. Let's be honest!

@MrCrazylicious

8 жыл бұрын

Erind Maho last week i met a Greek bilingual who speaks Greek and Arvanitika and told me the same thing...that he understands modern Albanian language. How close is Albanian to Turkish language? just curious...

@haskovali

8 жыл бұрын

+MrCrazylicious they are not close at all if we dont count the turkish words used for in the Albanian cuisine like chevirme, kapama, pastirma, chorek, kaygana, sahan, borek and so on, and words that are used to express sudden actions such as, "aide, haydi, aman, janim etc."

@MrCrazylicious

8 жыл бұрын

haskovali hello friend, there are so many theories about the origin of the Albanians which are confusing...their language is influenced by Greek, Latin, Slav, Turkish etc. There must be thousand of Turkish words in their language. The same happens with Greek. Greeks had borrowed words from Egyptians, Jews, Persians,Latin, Slavs, Albanians,Arabs, Turks etc. By the way, did you know that scholars cleaned Greek language by Turkish words? There are still some thousands Turkish words that survive in Greek. Some are so beautiful that poets use too much.

this documentary is made in Greece from the Greeks and every greek know that , I was in Greece at that time and it was a big deal greek Orthodox Church the very next day started going crazy and blaming on the greek Chanel that showed the documentary , some sued them the Chanel , Greeks to Greeks , but the facts are taken from Greek universities. But anyway.

@mydogsbutler

5 ай бұрын

Speaking as a Greek, this video involved a bunch of patronzing humanities crackpots peddling their ideology (most notably Thanos Veremis who founded Eliamep which a fair chunk of which are shameless Marxist "academics". They not only are unqualified to have a professional opinion on Greek genetics but don't follow their own alleged academic principles when it comes to deconstructing other people's ethnic groups using the same rationale that impurity equals no connection. They are abusing analogy and science to peddle their antinationalist leftwing ideology. Veremis is morall reprehensible. He manipulatively framed ELIAMEP as a "Hellenic" thinktank when he doesn't even a Greek identity.

The Greeks have one of humanity's longest histories. See how their influence has changed over time from the ancient Greek city-states to modern times.

@Energy_69

6 жыл бұрын

john Spartan from Anatolia 🤪🤪🤪

@levesd3722

6 жыл бұрын

dielli art you came from Mongolia ;-)

@floriankociu7251

Жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 eats little bit Muti

@levesd3722

Жыл бұрын

@@floriankociu7251 wipe it off your a$$ then

Awww!! It was nice to see the greeks and albanians got along back then :) Why did it have to change? Now they hate each other :(

@sitkijahja3953

9 жыл бұрын

Cause Greeks were just to Gay for us .....Haaaaaaaa!!!!!

@sitkijahja3953

8 жыл бұрын

Legend of the Walled-In Woman srry no deal....prove that it was offensive and I will....or that it was not a joke

@sitkijahja3953

8 жыл бұрын

***** all talk again blah blah...you got my adress is online..come on don't make your self look stupid ahahha... you talk to much ...ur a punk ehehehe

@sitkijahja3953

8 жыл бұрын

+illyria Arberor only girl here ..it's you:)

@PrincessLockette

8 жыл бұрын

***** You Sir, are awesome :)

why would Greeks be shocked by this documentary. It was a pefrfectly good documentary.

I am Greek, and I don't really know why I am have to be shocked by this documentary? On the contrary, it's a very good one !

Welldone to all people who made this historical documentary about the participation of the albanians into the war for the independence of Greece. But, what i strongly dissagree in this documentary is that to the albanians of Greece was not given what deserve to them and instead of that, they were killed. the history must be written one more time.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

lol, this mockumentary is a laughing stock full of unhistorical crap.

@artangjeli

3 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 listen, you illiterate one. when you do not even have the basic knowledge of the history or culture of a nation, it is better not to speak at all.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@@artangjeli listen little brainwashed one. You don't have lots of 'history' or 'culture' to speak of ;-)

@artangjeli

3 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 me brainwashed? read a little more and you will understand the real truth which is too far from what you have learned so far, if you have learned something.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@@artangjeli no thanks, I have already read and heard your communist version and it was funny af.

Ioannes Kapodistrias was a Venetian Italian,Giovanni Capo d'Istria

@teddymedolli

10 жыл бұрын

Nikolaos Mantsaros was also Italian,Niccolò Manzaro

@debbiel5349

10 жыл бұрын

O Ιωαννης Καποδίστριας ήταν Ελληνας όπως και ο Μάντζαρος. Αν ειναι δυνατον τι μα....κιες θα διαβάσουμε ακόμα!!!!

@teddymedolli

10 жыл бұрын

Kapodistrias was not a Greek by ethnicity...as were not of Greek ethnicity mostly of leaders of 'Greek' revolution

@debbiel5349

10 жыл бұрын

teddy medolli Αν και το θεωρώ γελοίο να εξηγησω το αυταπόδεικτο το κατα πόσο ο καποδιστριας ήταν ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ θα μπω στο κοπο μονο και μόνο γιατί διαβαζουν και ανθρωποι που δεν γνωρίζουν και θα τα μαθουν και στραβα!!! Ο Καποδίστριας ΑΝ κι εφόσον η ιστορία καταλήξει οτι προερχονταν τελικα απο βυζαντινή οικογένεια (των Νικηφόρων συγκεκριμένα) ή απ την Ιστρια της σημερινής Σλοβενίας (παϊζουν και τα δυο σενάρια) δεν πρεπει να ξεχνα κανεις πως δολοφονήθηκε απ τις ξενες δυναμεις γιατι ήταν αυτό ακριβως ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ ΠΑΤΡΙΩΤΗΣ . Αλλα ας μπω στη λογική σου.... Απο τη μια θεωρία η οικογενεια capo d Istria το μακρινο 14 αιωνα ερχεται και εγκαθίσταται στην Κερκυρα και κι ξεκινα τους γαμους των επιφανών απογόνων της με αντιστοιχες συζύγους Ελληνιδες. Η μητερα του Καποδιστρια ηταν Κυπρια μαλιστα!! Και ερωτω καθε ανθρωπο με στοιχειωδη λογικη πως ειναι δυνατον να αμφισβητειται η Ελληνικοτητα της συγκεκριμενης οικογενειας μετα απο 400 και βαλε χρονια;;Το ξερεις πως συγγενεις του καποδιστρια ειχαν συνεισφερει στο Ελληνικό Εθνος και πριν τη γεννηση του Ιωαννη;; Κια αυτοι δηλαδη γιατι να κινδυνεψουν την ζωή τους αν δεν ενιωθαν και ηταν Ελληνες;Το ίδιο ασφαλως ισχύει και για του υπολοιπους ηρωες τη ςεπαναστασης. Αυτα που λετε δεν ξερω ποιοι σας βαζουν να τα γραφετε αλλα φαινεστε ανιστορητοι.

@PC-wb4ub

10 жыл бұрын

I agree, Kapodistrias wasnt of greek origin. But i disagree that most of leaders of the greek revolution werent greeks. Of couras most of them were greeks. Only because many of the leaders werent greek, it doesnt give you the right to exagerrate and to turn the reality how you like.

Πραγματικά δεν μπορώ να καταλάβω το νόημα του ντοκιμαντέρ...αυτά τα ξέρουμε ως ιστορικά γεγονότα και ούτε σοκαριστικαμε ούτε εκπλαγηκαμε και δεν μπορώ να καταλάβω τι ακριβώς θέλει να αποδείξει...

@manospatramanis5819

6 жыл бұрын

Μιλαω πάντα μέχρι το 34:00 γιατί μετά από αυτό το σημείο αρχίζουν οι μαλακίες...

@levesd3722

6 жыл бұрын

Δεν καταλαβες? Μετα ηρθαν οι 'εντολες' απο πανω.

@manospatramanis5819

6 жыл бұрын

Leves D Μάλλον...

its propaganda. Just wikipedia. Απ'το Βυζάντιο ως την Επανάσταση του 1821

Very interesting. I personally have many albanian friends. I believe to be greek today does not necessarily have to be of only direct blood relationship but of a way of life, of thought and of being. just like saying in the past we were all Roman citizens.

@KB-je4vu

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers Nectarios, I am glad to read a cultivated comment here. Nationalism is a product of ignorance. That's why I do not and cannot understand how many people can say with so much confidence that they belong to a certain heritage. Its kind of insane which surely has been supported by politics:

@rayreding343

3 жыл бұрын

After 100 years we will be just Europeans like we were Romans before

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@@rayreding343 indeed but will it be a good thing?

@AlexHellene

3 жыл бұрын

Modern Greeks are not Albanian, or with an Albanian history. Famous Anthropologist Scientists such as John Lawrence Angel, Giuseppe Sergi & Carleton Coon & others, show that modern Greeks are a racial continuation from ancient Greeks after studying ancient and modern Greek bones: greekracialpurity.blogspot.com/ DNA testing proves that most modern Greeks are direct descendants of the ancient Greeks. www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

@voskreglavincevska3651

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexHellene In bones relics from 2000 years ,we can find only if they are Neanderthal or Denisovan conection ?

I wasn't at all shocked. I've learned early that hidden school was a lie. I didn't know that foustanella was Albanian. You also forgot to mention that Vlahoi fought in the revolution. They were like arvanites but spoke their own language, which you still hear from old people in northern Greece.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

It wasn't 'albanian', most probably it is an italian loan. We all know the hidden school was a myth but the rest of this 'documentary' is total crap.

@levesd3722

3 жыл бұрын

@RedCom it says a lot of crap.

@ClydeAlb

2 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 it is Albanian Lord Byron a noble British who visited Albania in 17th century spoke about it woren by Albanians ,and Fustanella means Curved Dress in Albanian

@levesd3722

2 жыл бұрын

@@ClydeAlb They might had worn it, it doesn't mean it originated from them.

@ClydeAlb

2 жыл бұрын

@@levesd3722 dont be ridicilous from Lord Byron time it is over 300 years which Albanian wore it ,if you look at the Illyrian statues there you can see Fustanella and Plis too the White Cap which means over 2000 years woren by Albanians ,none other than Albanian wore it even in 17thcentury to deny these obvious facts without source is stupid,Even in Egypt there have been 18th century British-French drawings that show Albanians who founded Egypt wear it

The main reason Albanians are hated by most countries in Balkans is because they are mostly muslim rly. However the problem was that those countries did too much generalisation and also many christian ones were assimilated, one reason why there aren't much of them.

HERE FACTS OF HISTORY: After the Mycenaean civilization declined, Epirus was the launching area of the Dorian invasions (1100-1000 bce) of Greece.