there's a youtuber named Marsh who started with the first game published back in the 80s. he's almost at the year 2000. poor guy has suffered for our enlightenment

@dutchielander2478

Жыл бұрын

Marsh getting traction as a SMT youtuber makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. He's a great story teller, too.

@Sh1ranu1

Жыл бұрын

That man has played last Bible so we won’t have to, truly suffering for us

@grimnir7749

Жыл бұрын

Sub to Marsh!

@avneelram3511

Жыл бұрын

Don’t forget that Marsh had also played the best SMT game ever: Jack Bros.

@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas

Жыл бұрын

This guy’s shitposts are of impeccable quality

DDS being so overlooked is tragic. Genuinely amazing game.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

I agree, very underrated game.

@abbthedreamer8378

Жыл бұрын

Especially the ost, this game has one of the most badass soundtracks

@brub1738

Жыл бұрын

I will say DDS1 story is really good but in the context of it being a prequel to DDS2. if it was stand alone though it would be just alright.

@nr2676

Жыл бұрын

If you release game in same month with Resident Evil 4, Shadow of Colossus and God Of War, no wonder this game was overshadowed.

@sickrandy2946

Жыл бұрын

@@brub1738 that's why it's not stand alone lol

Oh yeah it's finally here! Digital Devil Saga deserves more love You do great work Max!

@noahr607

Жыл бұрын

Oh no way it’s Tony4-*Beyond good and evil*… I mean… Tony4You. Big fan

@bighex5340

Жыл бұрын

Tony is also a based Max fan!?!?!? Let's goooooooo

@1ordTakeo

Жыл бұрын

Damn, I was -just- rewatching your worst and best ending videos as soon as I saw Max was doing digital devil saga. Thank you both for being absolute great content creators.

@gruglas

Жыл бұрын

overrated ah game

@mapio6176

Жыл бұрын

DDS duology is absolutely phenomenal glad to see people talk about these games!

Strange Journey is definitely worth doing. It also deals with AI and science fiction while also flavoured with themes of morality and sin.

@Suikojunkie

Жыл бұрын

this

@alsaiduq4363

Жыл бұрын

Arhtur is the best robot/AI in megaten imo.

@jyojitsukikage4508

Жыл бұрын

I was gonna suggest the Persona 2 Duology, but damn that's a deep well. There's a lot to dig into with Strange Journey, especially with the different endings.

@Azazantei

Жыл бұрын

​@@jyojitsukikage4508 While Persona in general had a Good Piece of Discussion regarding the General Consciousness but goddamn did i will be lying if the only thing that i remember from the Duology is Tatsuya's Suffering and Hitler.

@cptncutleg

Жыл бұрын

While Redux has a shiny new lick of paint and some minor balance patches, the overall original themes are done dirty in Redux. Also all the characters were made younger, making them seem more immature in their decisions rather than backed by a life lived.

Small detail that is often overlooked, the term for stone in referring to the petrified people in DDS2, in Japanese, is the same term as Salt stone, AKA Rock Salt. It's a small Sodom and Gomora reference.

Damn, your wife has good taste bro Also, I love that you're doing more in SMT stuff. One of my all-time favorite game series Edit: I'd recommend either Nocturne or Strange Journey next. For me, Nocturne was what opened my eyes to the whole series (like a lot of people in the US, I imagine), and even though it hasn't aged perfectly, it's still good

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, really do enjoy this game series.

@JellyJman

Жыл бұрын

She do lol, great games

You should check out Strange Journey, I think you’ll find the themes of that game to be extremely interesting on an existential level

As a Hindu born, your analysis is spot on (and I learnt so much more) Hindu myth/philosophy is are criminally overlooked in general media and games. DDS is a rare game that uses it and does it brilliantly. I highly recommend reading/watching Ramayana or Mahabharata. Ramayana has an anime adaption with amazing Hindi voice acting.

Honestly SMT is the type of series where jumping in based on your gut usually can't hurt They're all fairly unique from each other

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

They are unique, would be nice if all the games were on current consoles/systems.

@ironman-fg3jh

Жыл бұрын

@@DragonKingX78 most of them can be emulated without any issues on an android phone. thats what ive been doing. best part is its all free

@wodensthrone5215

Жыл бұрын

If the may rumor is true, they're bringing more Shin Megami Tensei games to the current systems and SMTV will be on Xbox and Ps5, I actually had to put down SMTV because of how horrendous it looks and runs on Switch.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

@@wodensthrone5215 SMT5 better be on PS4 as well.

@wodensthrone5215

Жыл бұрын

@DragonKingX78 Nah, we really need to start leaving old technology behind, it's hindering the full potential of newer tech.

Btw if you liked DDS's depth, I can't recommend its novel, Quantum Devil Saga, enough. One of the writers of the game had to stop her work in it very early on because of health issues apparently, but she later wrote QDS, which both fleshes out things already shown in the game incredibly and also has its own differences, most of which make the background story insanely better and a lot of it is because of ONE character: Shin Minase. In the game his role is given to Sheffield, who dies and only is confronted as a ghost, but Shin is an incredible antagonist and he's alive for the present events in QDS. He acts like he's superior to the Embryon, but he's a designer child, he was basically created as a trophy for his parents, this adds so much more to his "people are just tools" mentality.

@LobselErik

Жыл бұрын

Also! For which Megami Tensei you should do next either Nocturne or Strange Journey definitely! Strange Journey is more obvious with its appeal but Nocturne is the most consistent game with its story, themes, use of abstract real-world parallels and tone overall, its story is just overall more overlooked because it's subtle and doesn't spell every single detail out but it's the best imo, both have the best character writing for their alignment systems though

I pretty much love everything about this game - the cell shading presentation, the amazing OST, the characters and their struggles, the slick customization system, etc.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Yeah really wish we got more games in this series. I love the combat/skill system.

ah Digital Devil Saga, one of my favorite games and among the most overlooked titles in the SMT series, glad to see it covered. Ideas for other SMT titles to be covered: - Persona 2 Innocent Sin & Eternal Punishment (it's a multifaceted take on the old coming of age story) - SMT 3 (Nocturne) or 4 (ultimatum of conflicting philosophies on what the world ought to be based upon)

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

I agree, the DDS games are a favorite and very overlooked.

SMT is full of interesting stuff and I'm glad to see such a cool game from the series being covered here. Game really deserves more love.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

I agree, this games series really deserves more love.

At the beginning, when you asked what should you cover, I immediately thought "You'd enjoy DDS!" So I was happily surprised that that was the game you went with for this episode. Nocturne and Strange Journey are equally worth going for next, imo.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

I agree, both those games would make good choices for the next vids.

I would love to hear your analysis on Strange Journey and Strange Journey Redux. A lot of good things to dig into in that entry in the franchise. Humans. Nature. and the primordial mother.

@Velociferon

8 ай бұрын

I second that. Especially with the hidden boss in Sector Grus

(SPOILERS) One of my favorite story twists/elements was how AI Serph was a good person and AI Heat was a villain, while in the real world Serph was manipulating Sera and Heat was trying to protect Sera from him. I'm sure that concept has been done hundreds of times before, but seeing the reveal in the second game after going through the first game's journey really stuck with me. Humans are limited to their own perspective of events and unfortunately it's incredibly difficult for us to determine who is on our side and who is using us. Great video as always!

@jamesgomez9151

Жыл бұрын

It goes to show that despite our best intentions, we cannot control how others perceive us.

@NWOtion

Жыл бұрын

Considering the two princes story from the first one, the reveal was legit. Heat rules

@Dadan-dan

Жыл бұрын

And then we get Serph and Heat confrontation in the EGG, and Heat is slapped in the face witht that reality check.

@thehater6189

Жыл бұрын

@dadan dan best part is that it is somewhat alluded throughout the game. Why would heat be so angry and jaded. Something was awry

@Old_Harry7

Жыл бұрын

It goes to convey the message that people are inherently good or bad, they grow up fueling certain attitudes untill the end up choosing a stand.

I think you should do the Raidou duology next. They may not be as lore heavy, but they're still fun to dabble around considering their surprising link to SMT as a whole and Persona, being like the 'bridge' for them.

YYEEEEEESSSSSSSSS I’ve not only waited for more DDS content, but SMT content from you. This is awesome dude, keep it up

Instant like! I never finshed DDS but its setting and themes are extremely fascinating.

Props to your wife for recommending DDS, personal favorite of mine and something I recommend to just about everyone. It's one of the two games that really sparked my interest in Hinduism and Buddhism and helped me to form my own personal understanding and philosophy of how to live my life. The other game that got me to look into Hinduism/Buddhism was The Journeyman Project 3, btw. Substantially less depth, but an interesting look at the basic ideas of Buddism and the Samsara that might get you interested in learning more.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Yes, love the DDS games.

man i really LOVE the PS2 SMT games, these days it feels like Atlus wants to forget about these titles in pursuit of making Persona the most profitable game. its all about the money.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Atlus wants to forget about everything that is not Persona 3+. Older games be damned.

Bruh, the dream came true. The DDS is one hell of a lore/myth pit. The video is rad, thank you very much!

Very nice video. It's been about 13 years since I've played DDS. Thanks for the refresher and elucidation.

Wonderful video as always. Since you said you were a gnostic (and for your tendencie to love deep and profound stories) I HEAVILY recommand you reading Eden it's an endless world. It's a SF manga in 18 volumes that is terrifyingly relevant in our current societies with references to gnostics myths. Plus the art is gorgeous and the concept extremely well done.

This was fascinating. Very well presented. You have a talent for this, Max

DDS is my favorite SMT series so far! Strange Journey is up there too but oh man, I found both the DDS games really hit me deep.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Yes both DDS games are awesome.

Thank you for this great video!! I can’t wait for the next one! It would be cool to see your take on Persona 3, it’s def the darkest of the 3 most recent games in the series, focusing around the theme of mortality.

The writer for Digital Devil Saga is Satomi Tadashi, and he's also the person who did the writing for Persona 1 and 2, as well as The Caligula Effect.

Fun video! Thanks for giving megaten more spotlight!

So glad you covered the this. DDS is my favorite in the SMT and criminally underrated.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Very underrated.

Yes. One of my favorite SMT games. Enjoyable gameplay, just the right amount of challenge, and my favorite art direction in the franchise.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

It's still my favorite.

@DarkSeraph

9 ай бұрын

Kazuma Kaneko is an amazing artist he did the character designs for Persona 2 and his demon designs are cool.

your analysis has convinced me to try out digital devil saga. I recommend giving Devil Survivor Overclocked a try! It's pretty friendly to newcomers (just don't neglect your strength), and has quite a few fascinating endings (which are easy to achieve thanks to new game+ turning the game into a cakewalk). Looking forward to more of your work!

Bravo! Thanks for covering two of my favorite games of all time, and drawing out their philosophical and religious significance. I'd suggest either Nocturne (Nietzsche, Gnosticism, Book of Revelation), Strange Journey, or Devil Survivor 1. I found these to be the most interesting on a philosophical level.

Would love to have a remaster of both titles in one. Such a great story.

I think Roalnd said it best in the 2nd game. The thing about Karma is that it goes around around and around till eventually it bites you in the ass. What we put out into the world is what we get back. The Avatar Tuner games were also the first Megaten Games I ever played. Has been a favorite of mine since.

I never beat either games after getting stuck on bosses. I was too proud to look up guides. but I love SMT. so thank you for this video I never would've realized the profundity of this story otherwise. it's truly remarkable and deeply impressive so my appreciation for this wonderful series has only deepened

Was waiting for you to cover this series.

I would love to see you analize SMT 4 and 4 Apocalypse, and Soul Hackers. I love your videos but also if you can make longer breakdowns or story explained in full of these games, that would be fantastic

I think this game was a near-perfect match for your style of content, Max! While I recognize and agree with the many recommendations for Strange Journey, I personally would REALLY like to hear your thoughts on Devil Survivor: Overclocked.

Loved that you read the concept of atma-brahman, please read Adi shankaraachaary's Vedanta which though not emotionally philosophical but has a lot of philosophies which inspired great scientists like Niel Bohr and Einstein.

Amazing video. I played these games when I was a youngin and all this went way over my head

DDS 1 & 2 is such a great game. It’s a personal favorite of mine.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Still my favorite of the SMT(and related) games.

Nice to hear that Chained Echo ost in the background during this great vid :)

Really amazing analysis, thanks for help showing more reasons to love this games

The DDS duology are some of the most underrated games of all time

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Very underrated.

No way! You play as Max Derrat from KZread before receiving a mark in Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga

Seeing as I have never played any of these games I now have to go get at least over of them. This was a great first choice for an introduction into this series.

I am so fucking happy rn...def have a special attachment to this one out of all SMT games. Like you said, may not be the 'best' but it def might be the deepest...

@toooydoeur

Жыл бұрын

It's the best

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

It's the best.

@t_bone2145

Жыл бұрын

It’s the best

@toooydoeur

Жыл бұрын

@@t_bone2145 ong

I plan on playing this on stream once I'm set up properly. Such an awesome game/games.

Devil survivor overclocked is a must play. Do that next 🙏

Great video thank you for helping me understand some of the game themes. I think that your next game should be based about what you like the most about this game. Gameplay - SMT: Nocturne is the most similar. Story - Persona 2 Innocent sin and eternal punishment have the same writer. (You don't have to but you should play persona 1 before.) Also the optional bosses from DDS2 (The archangels) were sent to DDS2 World after the evvent of SMT 2, so if you want to know more about that play smt 1 and 2 but they are kinda outdated.

Nocturne is good not only as a game still, but I think about its story fairly often. It has me thinking about what kind of world I would like to see. The minimalist style of storytelling really works for this game too.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, works for that game.

Nice video ! I'm personally interested to see what you'll think of the Persona 2 duology ( Innocent sin and Eternal Punishment ) it was made by the same team that was behind the shin megami tensei up until 3 and is also heavy on symbolism.

Great stuff, man. Thinking about doing an a Persona/SMT vid myself 🙏

The DDS duology will always be my favorite RPGs. I've been thinking about them for over a decade

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Still waiting for HD remasters for those games.....maybe one day.

@xipetotek8366

Жыл бұрын

@@DragonKingX78 There's nothing I want more than that. I love all SMT games and the spin-offs, but I found DDS at the perfect time in my life for it to become irreplaceable

YESS I’ve been waiting for this day. I LOVE the lore and details and implications everywhere in digital devil saga. Best smt game

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

I agree, best SMT games.

Cannot empathize more on the challenge of which SMT game to start with. They are all godly. I personally suggest playing SMT2. It may be old and pretty infuriating at times, but I think it is the best at introducing the recurring concepts of the series. But really, all of them are fantastic and ocean deep in lore, references to culture, religion and mythology, etc. Only thing I would be wary about is playing 4 or 5 too early, as I think the conflict in those is better appreciated after playing more of the older ones

When they mentioned Moksha, I immediately thought of Ai: The Somnium Files since that term comes up a lot in the sequel. It's really interesting how many of these Asian games can share religious culture and ideas like that.

The trope of fighting God to prove one's worth has been done to the point of parody in games - it's so obviously there to justify a climactic final battle. But I always felt like it worked well in DDS because of the context of the story. Given that the inciting incident was Sera's sadness and disillusionment being communicated to God, it makes sense that a display of effort, determination, self-sacrifice and hope would move the needle in the other direction. That's my reading at least.

The DDS duology was my introduction to SMT as a whole. I loved it so much that i pre-ordered Persona 3 special edition. Boy the games became like crack to me. The games soundtrack (especially the intro song "Alive") turned me into a huge fan of Shoji Meguro and Yumi Kawamura. The stories were truly something else.

@Darkchao_berserko22

6 ай бұрын

Same here. Without digital devil saga I wouldn’t have realized how awesome smt was. Like strange journey or persona itself. Heck smt is why I love rpg to this day

"deeper than persona" 💀

@ashleylee364

Жыл бұрын

he’s not wrong

There is a song from this game that Ive had in my personal playlist ive had since i was 16. I saw this lastest video of yours and thought "is that, that game?" In all my delving into philosophy and the Journey of the Self, would I have thought discovering the penultimate meaning of Hinduism would validate so many spiritual arguments Ive been wrestling myself with for so long. Thank you. For making this video.

Thank you so much for covering SMT game! I would also recommend to check out Nocturne, Strange Journey, Persona 1 and 2 (both 2), also SMT 1-2 have great story, despite really outdated gameplay, but it's worth it

DDS was my first SMT game, that was because of the intro music from etro anime (danger). I then got the game and loved it, since then I have been playing tons of SMT games.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

The DDS games are my favorite SMT related games.....though Persona 1 was the first one I played.

This might be my favorite video of yours, also you should play nocturne next

Another gosh darn banger! That you for introducing me to this stuff. Day four of asking for you to talk about “On The Silver Globe”.

Cool might check out the series now

Finally a Digital Devil Saga video

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

It has been a while.

Amazing video, next should probably be Smt iii or ii

Great video. I entered into SMT by playing SMTV and you got me more interested in paying the older ones. Also, I noticed you used music from Chained Echoes, which is a great game too btw.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

I would like to play SMT5...maybe one day if it gets ported to PS4.

@walt461

Жыл бұрын

@@DragonKingX78 Let's just hope they do.

Happy this game is getting more recognition

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Both games need more love along with most of the rest of the franchise.

That was fun. There are a lot of good games to try out in the series. Shin megami tensei 1 and 2 are good choices if you wanna learn the roots (kinda but not the actual start just the solidifying moment)

id love to hear your thoughts on nocturne. great video.

My favourite SMT spin-off (including Persona, Devil Summoner, Devil Survivor, Majin Tensei, Last Bible), and second fav game in franchise, only behind Strange Journey. This game NEED remaster !!!

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

I agree, needs... no deserves a remaster.

Ah what a good pick to do a video on

Thank you, I finished this game years ago but now I fully understand it.

Oh right also forgot to mention, the ending of DDS makes sense too with the name this game had in Japan. "Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner"

I KNEW IT WOULD BE DIGITAL DEVIL SAGA

@IrvingIV

Жыл бұрын

you and Tony4u

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Love the DDS games.

loved you used images from Alex Grey and Tool's video

I really like the SMT franchise, my first one was Devil Summoner

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

My fist was Persona 1 and Nocturne was my first mainline game.

Another lovely analysis, I do enjoy the story of DDS! I was expecting more references with Brahman but I do like the info on Hinduism I didn't know that it had a concept that paralleled Buddhism's nirvana. The idea of accepting everything in both physical and spiritual sounds quite elucidating! Now the SMT game that I would like to suggest for philosophical analysis is Devil Survivor due to how the story centers around more Western religious concepts while having the characters develop as they try to survive the crisis at hand.

@troyeteryx4921

Жыл бұрын

Hinduism goes very deep my friend. We hindus follow tha Sanatan Dharm Or the one that don't have any beginning nor end. Buddhism is not actually a different religion, it's just that west are incapable of understanding the concepts of School Of Thoughts. Buddhism or Bodhi dharm according to first few students of Buddha. Moksha is taking the extreme way of meditation and self control to open your upper most chakra(wheel or the junction of nerves), from where Kundalini which is not an physical thing, it is an astral fluid that surrounds our astral form which is strengthened as we mediate and severe our ties with the material world. Hope that like these concept, please read Vedanta written by Adi Shankaraachaary who has written the atma-brahman concept, that we have a fragment of the brahman thus we are all equal in his eyes ( both creator's and Death's eyes).

@bearberserker

Жыл бұрын

@@troyeteryx4921 That's intriguing! Also, is the term Dharm or Dharma?

@troyeteryx4921

Жыл бұрын

@@bearberserker Yes, Chinese can't pronounce sanskrit properly therefore words like Dharma and Sansara turned into Dhama and samasara.

@bearberserker

Жыл бұрын

@@troyeteryx4921 Okay, it's just your previous comment wrote Sanatan Dharm and I was curious if that is another spelling for Dharma.

@troyeteryx4921

Жыл бұрын

@@bearberserkerDon't worry there is no another spelling it is just that english is not that good to write hindi Or especially sanskrit, in English there is very few vowels to match the notes that our mouth, 'a' = अ 'aa'= आ, where अ comes behind the end of very word, you can observe yourself like saying WATER you have a 'a' vowel sound. धर्म in English is Dharma in writing but Dharm in saying. Similarly, कर्म in English is written Karma but actually pronounced Karm. This shows how much English is not that good of a communication language that people think it is. No offense though but this is truth.

I would be delighted to see a video on Devil Survivor or Strange Journey.

I'd love to see a deep dive into SMT Strange Journey, it has a ton of really interesting symbolism. The Devil Survivor games are absolutely worth your time as well.

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

I would like for SMT SJ to be remastered for PS4, PS5, Switch, etc.

I've been playing through Strange Journey Redux and I think you'd have a lot to say about it. Stay yellow!

It would be cool to see SMT 4 and Apocalypse looked at. I think they should be packaged in one video, because Apocalypse feels more or less like an answer to SMT 4. But, as others have said, it's best if you look at SMT 1 or 2 first.

Love your stuff.

You and your wife both are avid gamer?! What a very happy life you both having right now, bro! I'm happy for you two 👍

Finally! Love this man!

Always love your content, Max!

LETS GOOOO. DDS is so HUGE for philosophy too, great choice. STRANGE JOURNEY next

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

Love DDS and yes Strange Journey(or Nocturne) would be a good second choice.

Noting the amount of time spent on videos of Persona 5 with Takemi. Your romance path has been revealed, good sir.

Max, you inspire me to be a better version of myself

Would love to see you talk about SMT 2 or 4, especially about YHVH

I've just watched the video, and I think I want to recommend you to play and analyze Shin Megami Tensei 1 (SNES). It holds up surprisingly well even by nowadays standards, both in story and in its core gameplay loop, and I think it could be interesting.

SMT: Nocturne was one of my favorite games in my youth. After watching your video, I feel grateful I have both DDS and DDS2 unopened (I paid maybe $20 for each) and never sold/gifted them. I'm not much of a gamer anymore, but I hope I get to play and experience DDS/DDS2!

I love DDS so much. I want a remastered pack ( I want both in one package because they have that thing games did in the era of memory cards where if you had a save from the previous games where you did a specific thing you got something in a different game)

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

That would be cool.

Every smt game is amazing and its my all time fav game series and I personally highly suggest you get into it

Holy shit I'm so glad you made this please look more into smt 🙏

OMG finally Digital Devil Saga is getting some attention !! A big thankyou to Mrs Derrat from me

@DragonKingX78

Жыл бұрын

It's about time.

Thank you so much for playing my second favorite game of all time, after FF9. The growth from data on a computer to being one with god is such a transcendent and powerful evolution that it gave me an understanding and greater care for existence. Everything is important from the smallest insect to the greatest god, we are all one. The next game I suggest is SMT 3 or Strange Journey; Redux. I recommend watching 1 and 2 first.