I think part of the tamiya enjoyment is actually the assembly.

@RCKickschannel

3 жыл бұрын

Agree but I think this is changing as more and more RTR kits are becoming available.

@Art-zs6sl

3 жыл бұрын

Put your money where you like it, because the wheels are turning away from that direction.

@milosrcernycerny5537

3 жыл бұрын

For me 80% for building and 20% for running.

@stevenhogan9724

3 жыл бұрын

Same here although I don't do or collect tamiya more of a Schumacher collector That main enjoyment for me is the build then second the racing

@markmerrin1606

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCKickschannel RC planes have gone exactly the same..ARTF... almost ready to fly...out of the box..it's a changing world..🤔🇬🇧😎

if you buy your son a Tamiya and assemble it with him he will remember it for the rest of his life. You cannot put a price on that.

@addz17

3 жыл бұрын

Take the WLtoys car apart before giving it to him and save £100 and have a better rc car once re-assembled ;)

@roadstar499

3 жыл бұрын

yes... best for kids to learn and appreciate what they built..

@santoscarlos3650

3 жыл бұрын

Do not buy rtr. Get a kit instead. You will remember it

I’m a huge Tamiya fan and love the building of kits more than running them. However, I hope this type of competition makes Tamiya finally start including ball bearings and metal shocks in all their kits. They need to start offering a slightly more competitive kit or they will lose business to these new budget cars.

@gigglehurtz3167

Жыл бұрын

amen, having to automatically buy a bearings kit all the time is old.

@philxdev

Жыл бұрын

I thought so too but making the customer choose to buy the bearing upgrade is IMO kind of a smart move... yes it seems tedious and "stupid" objectively BUT the customer is getting a choice and with that comes a sense of accomplishment and superiority for just choosing and implementing this upgrade into their build, also introducing the customer to hop-ups ;). This hobby is pretty stale as it is and development has been stagnant with pretty much only brushless and lipo making it into the mainstream, otherwise being bombarded with RE-RE-RE-RE-REs to tickle the nostalgia so they have to artificially up the "complexity"... Tamiya could always lean on their excellent customer experience. The build, the feel, and the design of the packaging. The Grasshopper Box design is still the best art style on the market... still not sure why they did not use this art style for all of their models... IMO they should not compete, they should build upon what they have done best, and with all the youtube channels showing RE-RE-RE after RE-RE, there is definitely a market for well-made building experiences and the nostalgia of course that they are milking already, despite other RTRs having technically more... nostalgia alone, however, is not a really attractive selling point for a lot of people, especially when you are building the same old kit over and over and over... not sure why people would do that... Tamiya is not innovating, not building on its excellent kits, and just milking the nostalgia wave for what it is worth until its customer base is dead.

@gigglehurtz3167

Жыл бұрын

@@philxdev you know, i just realized something. I dont even run my kits :/ im upgrading to bearings for no damn reason.

@philxdev

Жыл бұрын

@@gigglehurtz3167 for no damn reason= wrong^^ ... putting in these plastic bushings just feels wrong, so you are doing it for fun, which is in the end all that matters... Cheers

@laserbeam1620

3 ай бұрын

​@@gigglehurtz3167 gotta have bearings for the mental relief!!

It's never been about the "value", guys. This is a hobby afterall. Tamiya and Kyosho cars are better than the competition for their attention to detail and real scale proportions in their designs. That's why they are so sought after.

@merdith6

3 жыл бұрын

Lots of great things about tamiya and kyosho but out of all the cars I have owned they have generally been the most fragile cars to run.

@ConditionZero76

2 жыл бұрын

Tamiya kits are more Toy grade & fragile, Traxxas, Arrma, Team Associated Losi etc are Hobby Grade kits you can actually invest in & ground & pound... 💯🤘🏼

@EduardoPortasRuiz

2 жыл бұрын

@@ConditionZero76 If you value real scale proportions as in a 1/10th car actually is a 1/10th car you'll appreciate Tamiya and Kyosho models. Those other brands you mention are fine racing machines but nowhere near real scale.

@user-kc1tf7zm3b

Жыл бұрын

@@philxdev Tamiya is simply exisiting by the sheer virtue of 1980s and 1990s Gen X nostalgia. Tamiya has to innovate and introduce new and groundbreaking models, at a reasonable price, if they have any hope whatsoever of keeping their traditional market share. Otherwise, the Chinese brands will rightly carve up more of the market for themselves; the Chinese are giving what consumers want at a fair price. Heaven forbid the Chinese brands introduce kits in addition to RTRs. This development would really diminish the USP of Tamiya kits. Business is business. If you want to stay in business, to grow the business, stay relevant to modern times. It is just not 2002 anymore.

@philxdev

Жыл бұрын

@@user-kc1tf7zm3b I completely agree... RE-RE-RE- after RE-RE. If the other manufacturers start upping their game in terms of box design, with nice kits and detailed instructions... oh boy.

I have a certain brand loyalty to Tamiya, springing from my experience with them as a kid growing up in the golden age of RC in the 80s. These were the COOLEST "toys" available at the time and have not lost that luster. The re-re's fill the nostalgia niche perfectly, even with the brand name licensing issues. I'd sooner drop $250 on a Tamiya kit over a much more affordable Chinese option, even if they were identical on paper. I'd also rather support a Japanese company than a Chinese one, for a lot of different reasons, one being China's labor practices, which is a major factor in why they're able to undercut competition from other nations.

Please don't become a billboard for these Chinese companies. They seem to infiltrate any channel that becomes somewhat popular by sending them free stuff. I come to RCKicks for the quality Tamiya/vintage content.

@jonoedwards4195

3 жыл бұрын

I'm out over $300 from Bangood, cocks ripped Me off Royal, missing an RC plane and two double orders, They charge tracking and insurance but won't honour, steer clear Friend!

Im nott familiar with wltoy. But is the "explorer" written on the box not the name?

@uteboy86

3 жыл бұрын

No it's called what he said hahaha

Its not for me but I think the WL Toys is for a different RC crowd. I can see some people bashing these every week down at the skate park and not worry a bit about breaking them. Where as a Tamiya or Kyosho is about the modelling aspect. Collecting models, building, painting the body, running the car somewhere sensible, or putting it on the shelf to display your work, and adding or hunting down spares or hopups. Do what ever makes you happy as long as you enjoy it. :)

@garygallant5390

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100%

Do kids even get tamiyas any more? Just seems like middle aged men to me. That's why they cost so much. They are aimed at a different market.

@jauzaafaishalahmadpadmadis3846

3 жыл бұрын

exactly, old tamiyas are pretty affordable, but now? kids in my country only play with tamiya mini4wd, not the rc

@RCKickschannel

3 жыл бұрын

That is a good comment

@jonoedwards4195

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCKickschannel Tamiya don't have any products in Oz, sellers have nought! RCMart was the closest an even They are empty on Tamiya, Ive been buying bodies from the UK an sticking Them on WLToys, shocks are awesome an the whole package is on par with a hopped up Nippon.

@markhume3503

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonoedwards4195 I disagree there are Tamiya products in OZ from most reputable sellers. Sure they don't have the same stock levels (of any RC brand) buts that's mainly due to Covid. My local is even having issues stocking Airfix due to Covid.

@jonoedwards4195

3 жыл бұрын

@@markhume3503 Please leave some links, Hobby King, RCMart Hong Kong have nothing, so give Us Your Aussie retailers with all the Tamiya stock? I don't think so son?

It’s not about “budget”, it’s about fun. My son has vehicles from every major manufacturer but he always spends more time with his cheap Chinese RC’s. Right now he doesn’t want another Traxxas or Tamiya (we have plenty of those) he wants a Wltoys 12423. I checked it out. Looks pretty interesting. Lots of upgrades available too.

@overbuiltautomotive1299

2 жыл бұрын

i been think of this wl has sanme thing but this has a bit better stuff it look like Feiyue FY03H 1/12 2.4G 4WD Brushless RC Car Metal Body

I like the Tamiya because of the extra expense and the inconvenience of building myself.

@jonoedwards4195

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaa, just as We like it Jonny!

@skagerstrom

3 жыл бұрын

I guess you also enjoy that the basic TT02 is really is a piece of shit? ;)

@butchmeister80

2 жыл бұрын

Haha yep ridiculous price and hassle and half as fun ha

@guymarotta2596

2 жыл бұрын

I like Tamiya too, but building is part of the fun not an inconvenience.

I need one of these WLToys buggy to bash around and not worry about my precious Tamiya/Kyosho builds

@navydoubs1

3 жыл бұрын

Thats exactly what i do.

Great video ! How many time can you play with the battery fully charge ?

Don’t forget, depending on your country you might have to add on import tax or other fees if you purchase a product from outside your country. You will need to work these out and add them to the figures in this video as well as shipping costs. Also, another aspect that has been mentioned is the resell values. . I had a look just now on eBay UK and I couldn't find much on the 124019 but I did find one lightly used sold for £65. Going on that I would say a "normally" used if you will car, would sell for around £35 - £40 ISH or 30% of its value. Take that with a pinch of salt as I don't have much data to go on but it's something to think about for sure.

@uteboy86

3 жыл бұрын

It's like $10

Controversy!!! First in on this one 👍🏼. What transmitter comes with the WL Toys one? I couldn't tell but if it is the rebranded Dumbo RC one then that is descent. The range on those is crazy, the car disappears out if sight and you still have control.

This is a great video, really appreciate that someone else was willing to give cheaper manufacturers a test. I have been considering a cheaper car for the grandkids, not sure if this will fit the bill, I was looking forward to building a kit with the grandkids, might go RTR at first, not sure.

Great video. I actually like to hear cars run a bit without music so I can get a better sense of the transmission smoothness, noise and speed.

@markscotchford4159

3 жыл бұрын

Very much agree with that. Good call. :-)

that was a good video, Really good that you did the comparison with the price and upgrade costs, as many RC buyers will just want something they can buy and run. When it dies off they can get another pretty cheap. Have seen a lot of videos on that and it's little brother the 14001 I think it is, but you took the time to do price checks and compare.

I’m 45 years young got in to rc in my teens iv always thought that the building is half the fun of owning one just my opinion

Bought one on your recommendation, and 3 of my mates are buying them too ,power of you tube eh ? ,I'm new to this all again and love watching your channel ,thanks

I just can't understand how someone who has an avante, a top force evolution, various optimas, tomahawk etc etc can say this looks good....

@tm5123

3 жыл бұрын

Banggood sponsored vid

Tamiya need an expanded Expert Built (XB) range at a lower price point.

@RCKickschannel

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree.

@kingmonkey88

3 жыл бұрын

The Tamiya TRF range are probably some of the best engineered kit out there. But is insanely expensive.

@skagerstrom

3 жыл бұрын

I think that the problem there is that just the bodies of the XB's are quite expensive. Tamiyas XB's aren't like the Traxxas, ARRMA, HPI and WLToys and similar (I belive thye print/dye the flat sheets before they hit the vaccum former). XB's are painted. I was looking around for the Mazda 3 as a XB - as that is such a hard color to do. Now it gets very expensive as I live in Sweden and all XB's on Ebay are from Japan. But the 250 dollar'ish price for a say 130 dollar car with a 40 dollar radio and a proberly done body that for me, probably need around 40 dollars just in paint - that ain't a bad deal. But then you have to think of it more as a 1/10 model car that you can drive, since it's the scale body that you pay for.

Awesome, video, I am that guy who has gone cheap for a year now as we have gotten used to the hobby. I am coming from a different perspective, we have two Wltoys buggys the 124018 and the 144001. One of problems with the wltoys, you cannot get everything you want, primarily the esc receiver combos. They are also not waterproof and quite fragile. Banggood assured me they were talking with the factory to make sure they produced more speed controllers. It took over a month to receive one. We have the 144001, which they claim is a 1/14, it is however smaller, at 1/16, and it is quite squirly and difficult to drive in a straight line. In the longer wheelbase, it is enjoyable to drive (the 1/12 scale). You mentioned upgrades, the electronics cannot be upgraded without a total rebuild (receiver transmitter, esc, servo, motor being optional). Also if you want to change the motor Wltoys places so much thread lock on the motor mount screws which are philips and they strip the head. They lock it down so well you have to get creative to get those screws out. Are they fun, oh yeah, those shocks are wonderful, that 550 motor is great (overpowered in the smaller 144001) but I would like to change the motor. Oh, the paint job and design is subjective on personal taste. the purple one and many different budget rigs look like they took a paint brush and flung paint at the rig. Tamiya on the other hand nickel and dimes you. We still have to buy ball bearings, like really come on Tamiya. The Plasma Edge kit can come with an esc along with the motor. But there is always something you need to buy. However, we have a lunchbox we built and have abused it (two young boys driving it), with a brushless motor and waterproof esc. We had so much snow inside of it, it was packed tight and running fine for over an hour. My feeling is that the Wltoys buggys are frustrating because they are made with cheap electronics, yes the mechanical portion is made well. However, they are really difficult to work on (to change the motor at the very least). You ran yours through the snow and some light moisture on the ground, which is great and performed great. We are looking into Tamiya for reliability and ease of working on them. Another route for a buggy with a 550 brushed motor is the Arrma typhon mega at $260 US. We enjoy the Wltoys until they break and then they are down, for roughly a month. Tamiya can be quirky, that is why I watch your videos and others before purchasing a buggy (next one is the fire dragon). Wltoys is new and we are learning about their quirks (like cogging in their brushless versions, so bad they put out version 2 of them).

I like to build mine up.Its a hobby after all.I love the painting part as I've always built model kits.

Very good and valid comparison. I was looking for construction or running videos of the Plasma Edge II but unfortunately I found nothing on your channel. Have I just searched wrong? Because that would actually be a fair comparison.

@RCKickschannel

2 жыл бұрын

This is the same chassis car. video : kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmF6rZSjfdGYnqg.html video 2 : kzread.info/dash/bejne/qHplw9FrmK68l8Y.html video 3 : kzread.info/dash/bejne/foWX2cifqKzIlM4.html

@yellomello71

2 жыл бұрын

@@RCKickschannel Perfect, thanks 👍🏻

I live in Thailand and WLToys are everywhere. I use them as my runners and keep my Tamiya's looking pretty! The performance is different league to most Tamiya too.

Honestly, I wouldn't use the metal suspension arms in that kit. On impacts the force has to go somewhere, and if you don't have those "sacrificial" composite arms to flex or even break, its going to go to the bulkhead and chassis. I'd rather pay to replace the arms, over the chassis. On top of that, how often (never) do you see top end racing kits using metal suspension arms?

@RCKickschannel

3 жыл бұрын

The arms connect to the diff housings. These can be purchased in metal but you can get plastic replacements for around $6.00. I ordered a few extras this morning for just this reason.

Gav, please tell Land Rover that #'s don't work for naming cars 🤣 Great video, glad you are back on buggys. Thoroughly enjoyed this. As a side note, most people pronounce it "W" "L" Toys.

Nice vid!! Fun to watch! I've come back into the hobby after nearly 20 years and am shocked by the fact that you nearly always have to buy the electronics with cars nowadays. 5 cars, 5 transmitters and thus no room on my work bench, and lets not start about the waste of material when you only need one or maybe two transmitters. Not a nice development of things... Subbed😎✌

Hi mate, great channel. I’m brand new to this hobby but always wanted an RC car as a kid. Unfortunately could never afford it. Now I’m a mid 40’s nerd of sorts, bored in lock down and furlough! Would you recommend this kit for me or for the same money go for a different kit?

Really great review, thanks for this...

I have always found that the RC community is friendly. I am not a fan of creating controversial arguments around it that set to divide your viewership. I much prefer it when you keep it light hearted

Looks like it runs well 😎 Nothing like a little competition. Unfortunately branding & naming will let it down.

Great video Gavin! Honest and logical. I tend to think of them each as different products all together with Tamiya being a model building experience followed by the revelation of a 'living' vehicle with its own personality. Your decisions and care whilst building the kit translate into what the car becomes when brought to life. Much of the satisfaction and interest come from that aspect in my opinion.

They're just brilliant for the price. I have a 144001. Don't bother upgrading it, keep it stock. All the upgrade parts are hit and miss on tolerances etc.

@problemchild1976

3 жыл бұрын

How different is the 140001 to this one?

@SPEXWISE

3 жыл бұрын

@@problemchild1976 144001 has a shorter wheelbase.

@problemchild1976

3 жыл бұрын

@@SPEXWISE cool - I’ll order the 144001 and some extras I like the shorter wheelbase

@SPEXWISE

3 жыл бұрын

@@problemchild1976 Nice you'll enjoy it. Best extras really would be more batteries and a better/quicker charger. The Contact foam wheel/tyres from core rc are good too if you intent to run it on tarmac. You'll run into problems if you start to get metal upgrade parts. They're just fine out of the box, don't waste your money upgrading.

@problemchild1976

3 жыл бұрын

@@SPEXWISE yeah went with the kit with 3 x LiPo for £92 Got my eye on a phatbody :)

Interesting times. I come from the Mid 80's Golden age of RC. I got a Striker around 85/86ish, went racing, Thundershot, Cat SWB, XLS, Top Cat, then onto 1/8th IC circuit. Tamiya is a company i have a great deal of affection for. But they are in a difficult spot. The re-res and Comicals indicate to me a desperation to replace their firmly held place in the market with something else. Back in the day, their niche was clear, if you wanted a backyard basher, they were the top end of that. If you wanted to get started in racing, you got a Tamiya. I think they are holding on to those reputations by their fingernails. But I think they know how precarious their position is. I suspect that the re-re kits have two purposes. One is that it's a good way to keep the volume of boxes going to the nostalgia market. But the other is that I reckon their copyrights on those 80s designs might be expiring, and their only hope of stemming a flood of Chinese copies was renewing the copyrights in the form of re-res. I wonder if the tell tale for that might be the lack of Porsche re-res, where Porsche will do the heavy lifting to protect their brand, making it less worthwhile Tamiya re-tooling and paying Porsche for rights. I strongly suspect that's made the situation an impasse. The biggest problem for Tamiya is that I think it's only a matter of time before the like of WL etc figure out the way to make the basher and beginner racing market their own. Mark my words, when they start putting out 1/10th race legal kits, with decent instruction manuals, they will come at sub £200 (maybe even sub £150), the first few will be very iffy, but 6 to 9 months later, they will be perfected. I think this will leave Tamiya with four options, either limp along with re-res for a while, find a new niche, have a more serious stab at racing, or get out of buggies and racing RC altogether and rely on static Models. I think a serious stab at racing is unlikely, They took a big knock on their image with the Avante. And the Astute, although superb, was too little too late in that respect (in the minds of competitive racers). Personally, I'd love to see them have a go, but I don't think they will. I think their best hope is to do what they do best, bring new ideas to the table. The Moster Beetle, Lunchbox and Clod Buster were light years ahead of the game, they need to follow that path. Their next moves have got to be things that fire the imagination of a new generation of bashers.

@RCKickschannel

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for a great comment, some interesting points 👍🏻

@user-kc1tf7zm3b

Жыл бұрын

Tamiya or Toyota, the outlook for these two outdated Japanese companies holding onto 1990s nostalgia are the same. They are both screwed. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qquhxtayh8q3lNo.html

Can I exchange the brushed motor on the WLTOYS 124019 or is it available in a brushless version. Btw: I am not a beginner at all (I have 25planes, 2trucks and 2Tugboats). My point is; some brushed cars have motor mounts that only support brushed motors other are designed in a clever and flexible way allowing for both. Cheers (from Germany) Nik

Hi. Sorry for the stupid question, but it’s not possible to fit a Lipo in Tamiya’s RC cars ?

@AmbientRC

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely it is. I run a Venom 2s Lipo in my TT-02.

@aerodynvdp7920

3 жыл бұрын

@@AmbientRC Thanks for your answer ! ;)

Great comparison. Definitely going for wltoys. I had a Tamiya for my 11th birthday and I remember every second of the built. That was 19 years ago.. Haha What is a great upgrade on battery spec wise? I will be doing a brushless upgrade to 5200kv motor. Not sure about that 2200ma stock battery?

U gota new subscriber I just got both tt02 and 124019. One u can go to u local hobby store one u gota wait for but I hope the wait is worth it, still building the tt02

I prefer to build vs RTR. My first 2 kits were a Tamiya Blackfoot and Monster Beetle from 1990. Bought a Traxxas Stampede 10 years ago, it's nice but I missed getting to build it.

If WL made a kit version of their rc cars, I’d buy one. I used to fly their toy helicopters (v911,912 and later the v913) many years ago. I found their products to be very well engineered and put together.

@lsnaithe

3 жыл бұрын

Just take it apart and rebuild it

@RC-Elevation

3 жыл бұрын

Look up LC Racing. WL is the low cost copy of their product line. They have both RTR and kit builds that you can spec your own electronics. Much higher quality, but also price reflects that.

Could be like the mobile phone market. Years ago there were loads of cheap chinese phones. Once they've killed off the competition. They enter the premium sector and start increasing their prices.

124019 = 1/12 scale, 4wd type 19. One thing to check before running is the diffs, they might need more grease, sometimes they're cheeping out on diff grease.

@MrPhilbautista

3 жыл бұрын

The WLToys 144001 and 104001 are both 4WD yet don't end with 19. Same thing goes for the 124019's brother, the 124018. But I do agree on the scale portion.

@darkiee69

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrPhilbautista The third number is the number of drive wheels. 12 (scale) 4 (4wd) 019 (type/style)

I have the rebranded LC racing buggy and the quality of the parts/fit and finish were better than most of the kits I built during my 20 years in the hobby. The tiny machined diff gears are amazing. They just need to knock off some the tamiya buggy bodies :) I had the same experience building a team c buggy a few years back as well.

Getting back into RC cars since I was a kid. I bought the WLTOYS model from Banggood based on all the other reviews I had seen. Ordered 26th Jan, arrived on my doorstep 6th Feb. Very happy with this car. For around half the price I can sacrifice the Tamiya nostalgia.

@user-kc1tf7zm3b

Жыл бұрын

Nostalgia can only go so far.

Do you have to pay import tax on stuff from Banggood? I have never used them.

Well, it’s all about preference, but on the plus side, I’ve been getting a good discount lately on Tamiya models at Tower Hobbies (most of the time they have coupon codes). In reality, if you have been in the hobby for a while, there is always a spare battery and charger (at least), so does not always feels like spending that much money in a Tamiya..... Great video as always.....

I've got a number of WLToys, mainly the 1/28th scale K969 and K989 series. They are great stock to begin with but i've noticed over time, you start to notice where they have cut corners, pinions last not very long, plastic parts don't hold up as well as tamiya or other makes etc. Also the upgrades I've found are hit and miss when it comes to fitting well. But for just over £100 for a buggy its a no brainer for a bit of fun.

i'm a tamiya fan if i see another tamiya car driving around i tend to want it more so then another car another point tamiya got me is that i grew up with tamiya cars i know 50 or more cars i dont know any of the WLTOYS cars ... i even know some of there tamiya parts of the top of my head with out going to the manual lol lets just see if WLTOYS cars are around in 20years or so because i know tamiya will still be here i find rtr cars are harder to fix because u haven't put it together i would like to know is WLTOYS grease any good oil in the shock any good? thanks for this video gav

I have too agree, nearly ordered one the other day, with a full spares packed and metal diffs so you didn't have to wait if I broke stuff and came to about £170. A no brainer for me. Great video

@RCKickschannel

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I did this morning. I placed an order for some extra parts, two metal diffs and the metal spur upgrade option.

@charlesbeshaw9843

3 жыл бұрын

The 124019 already has full metal gears in the Diffs.

@RCKickschannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlesbeshaw9843 Did it once have plastic diffs as I have had a few conflicting comments about them. I need to open mine up and take a look to check on grease levels. I ordered a few extras for my parts bin anyway.

@charlesbeshaw9843

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCKickschannel The earlier 144001 had plastic gears in the diffs. Not sure if the 144001's sold now still have plastic. Some say use diff fluid in the diffs but they are not sealed. The factory used grease, just sometimes not enough.

Gav your not mad I had the older version of it and no problems.

Just finished my midnight pumpkin tonight,,looks amazing in chrome,, think my arrma granite brushless is incredible..and.....yes my purple wiltoy 124019 turns up next week... really looking forward to it.. budget doesn't have to be rubbish..wiltoy have easily provide that.👍🇬🇧😎

What sort of extra costs above the original £107 can you expect to pay, ie import duties etc... In the UK.

@butchmeister80

2 жыл бұрын

Get em on eBay cheap no import

Just got in to R/C cars at an age of 43😁, and my first choice was Tamiya Dt-03 since the building was a big Part of this together with my kids, so I will go for the tamiya that who have to build, and the kids might learn a thing or to about technology and cars 👍. Love you videos and builds. Great hints from Denmark

Nice one mate, just built my terra scorcher re re with a mint 01 Dynatech (original box brand new spare rotor ebay $90 US) it looks soo sexy the motor is interesting running on a 8.4 volt bty it is not blistering fast off the line but has a pretty quick top end. I thought the terra scorcher was a pricey kit when I bought it last year but having built it I can see really good improvements in it over the hot shot family of cars ie suspension and steering even the drive train has been made more efficient. Once built and painted it looks soo beautiful with the dynatech (i'm a pig in mud) The price for tamiya is an issue though they have recently put thier prices up by abut 20-30% which doesn't seem justified. Propably for me though as a collector WL only looks good for the teenage boys too have a play me I'll stay with the Optima, Ultima, Clods and Boomarangs, cheers mate.

Mate just got a brushless rtr car so fast and I’m considered this wl toys model only 100 quid on eBay and tamiya with all the extras etc is 200 plus and prob a lot less fun. What’s the speed comparison too?

@butchmeister80

9 ай бұрын

I bought an ftx vantage brushless in the end was fun but open gears caused issues now sold and still have a tamiya lunchbox and hornet want another brushless rtr though… maybe tamiya are boring to drive and to delicate

I still want a dt03 racing fighter. Tamiyas are keepers, while others like the wltoys are great but will (maybe) be forgotten after some time

Hi Gavin, nice video, as for parts for the wltoys rc, don't forget that it's been out for a year or more, but it's an amazing rc for the price. You could buy the metal upgrade kit and just use it as you need to replace damaged parts, so you can upgrade to metal parts as you go along, and the wltoys will last for ages. The tamiya doesn't even come close to it, not even second best. Waddaya think Gav.

I'm cleaning my 124019 while watching this. And there's also a 124017 brushless if wanna try it also.

I was looking at this for a cheap basher to let the dog chase. Ended up going with an RJ Speed for a few reasons, but after seeing this run an a couple of other reviews, I'll keep this in mind for my nephews is they get back into rc cars.

My son is 14 and I raised him well. Tamiya is the one and only for him. He is also stuck in the eighties and doesn’t give a damn any about brushless flying wing on wheels :) Building the kits together is one of the things he enjoys most. And yes we tinker a lot to keep them up and running, but that’s the whole point. You build, drive, repair, rebuild, upgrade, look at the box art,...

@QBziZ

3 жыл бұрын

The comments about Tamiya not being relevant anymore were already there 10 years ago. Let’s see where banggood cars are in 10 years.

@Fly2kill1

Жыл бұрын

@@QBziZ well it’s been 2 years since you said this. They have only gotten better and Tamiya is still dying.

I remember getting a grasshopper 2 super g for Christmas the year they came out. I'm 41 this year and still mess with RC. I have 2 wltoys and a typhon 6s. I think tamiya haven't moved with the times but I loved the build it yourself kits

For those who don't know, the WLTOYS 124019 and 144001 are actually low cost copies of the LC Racing product line. LC cars are built to a higher quality and are as the name suggests for track racing. They offer full kits that require assembly or in RTR format.

@MrPhilbautista

3 жыл бұрын

Does this mean you can stick LC Racing parts in the WLToys counterparts and vice versa?

@RC-Elevation

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrPhilbautista a lot are compatible, some are not

Here in Canada I can get and do have HSP buggy(s) with a brushless system and RTR for approx $250.00. I have had real good luck with these and parts for the most part are available and at my door usually within a week. For the buggies I have not had to buy many parts, the monster trucks are a bit of a different story but still not bad. Plastics on the Hsp stuff is way better than the sewer pipe abs that tamiya uses and actually flexes instead of snapping or becoming brittle. I have a brand new never ran Tamiya blazing star (df01) that the front shock tower snapped on sitting in the shelf

I have owned a WLToys L959 for about two years now and it has had more parts broken than times I needed to recharge the battery (which lasts only about 20 minutes)... It was crazy cheap new at only €50 and when it's not broken it's a lot of fun to drive! Parts are relatively cheap (so I bought a whole bunch), but it would be nice to drive for more than 10 minutes at a time... Thankfully I have a second hand Tamiya Desert Gator and a vintage Manta Ray and even though they are slower they don't break and are just as much fun! Most fun I must say I have driving my 1987 Taiyo Jet Fighter!

Let’s be honest if tamiya were a new company just starting to produce kits, they would be out of business within a year. I’ve had tamiya kits since the late eighties, and I still buy the odd one or two 😬 what’s really worrying is the fact that my motor and esc in my yokomo cost a lot more than the whole WL Toys kit ! 😆😬👍

@timsgta

3 жыл бұрын

Quality isn't cheap dumb dumb A Mustang is cheaper than a 911, so what?!?

@user-kc1tf7zm3b

Жыл бұрын

@@timsgta You are missing the point. Most consumers, even in wealthy advanced countries, just cannot afford a Porsche 911 from Stuttgart. Price matters to most people. This explains why just about everyone cannot buy an iPhone 14 Pro Max at a drop of a hat. _Needs must!_

i love building tamiyas and i think in the long run it would be a better choice as you will always be able to get parts and upgrades

Hi Gary. nice to see you diversifying your vids. The w-l-toys is awesome. Had one for a while now. No upgrades . It has taken a beating. Hope TAMIYA watch your vid, and it gives them a kick up the arse. Saying that just bought the rally car from tamiya.

Nice assessment, alot of valid points. I own both Tamyias and Wltoys A few things I will point out. With WL-TOYS parts support over time is reveling itself to be pretty good. I own a L959 which is one of their oldest models being just about 10 years on now and I can still get parts online without a problem. Also I do know people enjoy building but to be honest there is no value for money in that, if there were, people who wanted an pre built Tamyia would simply give the kits to those who like building to build for free, where the builders win cause they get to build a kit for free and the owners win because they get their kit build without having to spend time on it. This simply doesn't happen unless it's a family or friend favour. I wouldn't image that people like building so much they would just offer to build other people's RC's for free. That said Tamyia do offer professionaly built kits but of course they cost alot more and it's one of the reasons Traxxas was so successful when they first started releasing RTR vechiles in the market.

@philxdev

2 жыл бұрын

I think the biggest issue is that there needs to be more customer education and/or a better product portfolio. "Building toys" like Lego are still considered to have educational properties for children and most parents know they can just pick up the Box of Lego and give it to their child and he will figure it out and built the toy while having fun building it. Now a parent cannot just pick up a "box of Tamiya RC" and give it to their children. They need to do their research on what tools are needed, what batteries, what servo, what controller and receiver... and this makes an RTR the "safer" and more accessible option... I talked to some friends recently and they all bought their children some RTRs because of this exact reason. They simply are not into that kind of stuff and do not want to spend too much time researching and shopping around, especially since hobby stores with good service are not as available anymore. Tamiya should not have started providing these X-SA prebuilts, but starter kits with everything needed just right in the box (Tools, Servo, Batteries, Charger, Controller+Receiver)... oh and nobody is buying the pre-builts... they are sometimes offered as cheap as the kit as nobody wants them...why? because still nothing is included and parents would still need to do their research...

I think the same problem is also with Kyosho... parts and kits crazy expensive and parts/upgrades almost impossible to get even if you have the money

I have that wltoys model..I absolutely love it... highly upgradable. If wltoys sold these as a buildable kit they would change the game in the R.C. industry. Most of my R/C buddies share my opinion and still crave a kit to build... Tamiya & Kyosho need to step their game up and make cars with the performance and price tag as the wltoys but make them as buildable kits...

I have one of those Wltoys just for fun! Probably the most fun I've had for just €75. Plus it's small and I couldn't care less if it breaks. But putting together a kit is so fun and the nostalgia from the 80's is unbeatable. But sure, I'm not gonna bash my Hot Shot. It's not a shelf queen but it's just running on special occasions 😁

I was a kid in the late 80s/90s and remember this guy used to race his Tamiya buggy up and down the road. I used to watch wishing I had one then one day he bought a new one and gave me the old buggy it was a stingray painted gold. I used it for years it’s since been in my parents attic for a long time I’m not sure it would even run with modern rc car tech. I then bought a Tamiya rising storm years later just for fun. That was until recently my son got interested in RC and we got the rising storm out and had a blast. The reason I’ve got the 019 is simply price and looks it’s such good value and you can up grade it and it’s fun. I believe it’s numbers mean 12-is 1/12 scale the 4- is indicated 4wd and the 19- idk

@RCKickschannel

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you LV for a lovely post.

@letzvisit1661

2 жыл бұрын

@@RCKickschannel thanks :) finding your channel has bought back so much enthusiasm and fond memories I had of the RC hobby. I enjoy your content very much and will this year be doing my very best to get my son and wife fully on board with the hobby. I will certainly be joining your Facebook group I wish to learn as much as possible about the WL toys models as I can. Thanks again for replying

Got two and defiantly need a better battery for run times , rapid

Ive got a wltoys 14401 and its great fun and very nippy.Lots of hop ups available of which i got a diif upgrade.

Tamiya is going to have to take their game to the next level or the are going to become the nostalgic brand we out grew. I actually like when a Brand makes an RTR and a Kit of the same model. Still it's fun to buy an RTR and evolve it into a GRIM build with my favorite upgrades.

Great content!

It’s the build,that’s where the fun is.work on some my kits for months.also I don’t sell any mine,but there always going to be worth money and selling older kits doesn’t seem to be a problem just wish tamiya would produce more upgrades and there own

Love building them myself but got a wl one for the kids

Convenience, performance & objective value - WLToys. Nostalgia for the "older gentleman" - You can't beat Tamiya.

Hey Gavin. Nice job to see the whole thing and not just the kit. In the 80s many people said Kyosho was too expensive. But if you compared the kits Kyosho had a complete set of ball bearings in the kit, metal parts and oil filled shocks. For Tamiya you had to buy everthing additional. And man, a single ball bearing kostet around 5 Euros. There were no alternatives. This came first along with Carson in the 90s. China.... I think you must see how long the chosen model is on the market. Never buy the first three production series. Wait until the manufactor has improved the the cars. That's what they really doing. Nest exmple for that was Trumpeter at the beginning of the century. And as a positive effect other established manufactors (in this example Revell, Italeri, etc.) improved their kits to compete with China. Okay, China is are like Japan in the 60s. See what others do, copy it, improve the supply chains and get a foot into the market. But let's get not to deep into economics or ethics or ask why they can do such cheap products. That should do every customer for himself. In this time we have some problems with the shipping containers. So unfortunately everything which is delievered by ship will take amount of time. I'm hoping we all coke along with the virus very soon. By the way. That was not really snow😉😉😉 (just kidding)

Several years ago I bought the Brat and remember distinctly thinking I could save money on an RTR kit and it will probably be better for bashing too. But it didn't matter because the build process and reliving the nostalgia of a classic Tamiya was totally worth it. That said, do RTR kits come with instructions to build (+ take apart) the kit just to get that experience?

@cloudburstrc1633

2 жыл бұрын

most no just for maintance. but most of the time you can download the full manuals on manufactors site

The only things i don't like about the W L toys is "name" and the boring "body shell" but yes they look fantastic value for money :)

@andyroo8uk685

3 жыл бұрын

buy a phatbodies shell way better lol

@jonoedwards4195

3 жыл бұрын

@@andyroo8uk685 Ive a Few MN models shells on My Wltoys an Tamiya, cheap an look unreal and take a beating FJ 45 on the A959-b makes Wild Willy look sad, even though I have Wild Willy in it. Beauty Aj.

@andyroo8uk685

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonoedwards4195 know the 1/14 scale lunchbox mini (tamiya) i want put that shell on my 1/24 scale lol

We need to bash Tamiyas like we did back in the days. Tamiya is not that expencive if we keep them modest and not throw all the parts we realy do not need in them. Ball bearings and steel pinions, is what it takes. I run Tamiya 17.5t brushless in my new runners, with the stock esc with fan on it. Works great, and plenty fast enough.

Is it as quick as it looks?

Nice episode. I love Tamiya (beeing nostalgic about my youth and all) and I really enjoy the building proces so I'm sticking with that. Nice to see you being honest about it though and no harm done, I can take it :-D

Shows you how dumbed down kids and their parents are these days with RTR being more popular.

@Eth3realwarrior

3 жыл бұрын

Dumbed down and addicted to instantly gratification as well. But why RC when you can pub g and call of duty all day.

@marklowry8799

3 жыл бұрын

@tea bag I can see why you would despise such things but when you manage to get back in your pram and put the dummy back in your mouth try to consider the amount of great engineers and such like that this side of the hobby has played a hand in creating.

@TachyonDriver

3 жыл бұрын

@@Eth3realwarrior I sense sarcasm, at least I hope so and RC should, I say "should" be better than pub g and COD. Gets us away from the monitor for a while. ;)

@Eth3realwarrior

3 жыл бұрын

@@TachyonDriver spot on bro!

It is still worth buying the WLTOYS124019?

@RCKickschannel

11 ай бұрын

100%

Tamiya is pure fun. You don’t get RTR where you just need to press the „go“ button. You get a package of excitement of building from the very first part up to the last screw and even painting the body. I bought the Plasma Edge unpainted and added a brushless engine and some more fun hopups.

I don't know if it's related to the hobbyist's age cause I have seen people saying that young rc enthusiasts prefer rtr's and also prefer electric cars, but if it is I'm 18, I FINALLY got into rc 2,5 years ago, I started with an rtr, arrma granite blx 4x4 v3. I really wanted to buy a kit and I just got the Tamiya tt01e Subaru impreza 2004 Mexico. I really love it, and yeah I prefer kits, I really enjoy building it. Plus after building a kit I know exactly what to do if I need to change a part or upgrade something. With the rtr's I need to do a lot of searching, which is fun for me at least but I feel safer with the kit. Plus the kit is assembled by me and if I'm concentrated I know it will run good. This isn't the same with rtr cars as many people say they are missing some fluids or some screws are not tightened. And this can cause to a crash with a lot of damage. This is just my opinion, I will keep buying rtr cars, I will keep buying kits. I really like rc stuff and I'm glad I got into it. In my opinion kits should never die ✌️

It already has metal diffs inside. Only the black body is plastic. The Diffs you postet, are the same. But there are full metal diffs out there.

Personally I prefer brands that have built up their name and fame over the years. Even if I have to pay more for that. I wonder how long it would last in Talbot’s hands 🤔

@ng8tvinfluence78

3 жыл бұрын

Ages. He loves these things

@darac4841

3 жыл бұрын

He has videos on then and likes them

@andyroo8uk685

3 жыл бұрын

kev loves the 124019 and is trying to do a speed run with one ..hes bashed many of them and only weak point on them are the c-cups

@timsgta

3 жыл бұрын

@@andyroo8uk685 yeah right...only weak point he's found so far, he's been lucky.

I highly recommend building a rc car vs anything else. People actually play with these things?

@uteboy86

3 жыл бұрын

Why not just build models then hahaha

The naming does make sense sort of. 12 is the scale, 4 is number of driven wheels and the last is the model number

@RCKickschannel

Жыл бұрын

So many companies get PN numbers mixed up as a product name. Humans like giving things names, not numbers. Thats why you have a name and not a number. Unfortunately, this is a classic engineer mistake when naming should come from the sales department.

What about replacement parts Gavin that has a lot to do with it tamiya has parts for models from 30 years ago does China have replacement parts and how hard would it be to get them

@RCKickschannel

Жыл бұрын

Finding vintage parts or even current parts for Tamiya is not easy at all. I wouldn’t say it’s any better than most if I’m honest. Last week I was trying to find a Novafox gearbox housing and I couldn’t find a single on in an online UK RC shop. The main issue with say WLToys replacement parts, it’s more the shipping times as it can take two weeks for something to arrive. That’s a pain when you break something for sure. That’s why I say get a few parts at the same time as the buggy. Parts don’t cost much so if you spend an extra £40 you can get a load of bits like arms, shocks, uprights, towers for spares.

I bought two WLToys 144001’s (the swb vrs of the 124019) for me and my 6yr old to race for £130 during lock down. I’m a big Tamiya fan, but the bang for buck is unbeatable with these for bashing. They’re quick, tuneable and durable. If you just want to bash or get into the RC car hobby, I think these are great value! Tamiya will always win at scale realism lexan racing bodyshells! 🙂👍

A couple things to watch out for if you go with a Chinese brand: Low quality metals and poor machining. I have bought aftermarket parts from Chinese companies and the machines doing the manufacture were so far out of spec that the parts wouldn't fit the kit they were made for.

@keithchristner4522

3 жыл бұрын

*cough cough* integy...

It just ain't tamiya!! Passion is missing for me l don't feel anything for these cheap make cars! I know they are bang on good value and good quality these days but just not for me l need to feel something about the cars l own that spark that history and connection! YOU ARE MAD!!!!😉 Plus most of us old boys just need the tamiya kit we have all the other stuff spare already! But if you are brand new to the hobby and buying your first ever car yeah l have to agree with you Gavin slightly anyway but its hard to say that! TAMIYA ALL THE WAY though really!!!😁👍

@brucebenner7606

3 жыл бұрын

i find this the same way ....all so i can paint the body different so its a one off car witch makes it only my one lol if u buy 2 WLTOYS for your kids u wont know witch one is whos when they are driving it kids sometimes dont know what they are doing so the faster the car is the more parts u going to need a tamiya car can change out the motors how many motors WLTOYS have i bet tamiya has way more motors thanks mad bee and gav

Great video. For the price point I don't think there is any real competition. Apparently there have been some equipment failures "during shipping" so the Q control might not be the best but, I have heard that the customer service response in these cases was excellent. So, all in all ... Look out Tamiya, the Chinese are coming! Keep up the good work :)