A real Southern Hero. Thanks for showing this.

The pronunciation of 'Warwick' makes me chuckle. In Britain, it would be 'wo-rik' ^_^

@markmatzeder6208

2 жыл бұрын

Here on the Peninsula we say “war’ick”

Yeah! A mention of Big Bethel! Yall actually drove very close to the battlefield on your way to Fort Monroe. Unfortunately not much is left, only a small site with an info marker. The rest is either lost to development or was flooded when Big Bethel Resevoir was created. I'm planning on doing a scenario for this fight at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later.

@LittleWarsTV

2 жыл бұрын

We've never played this action in the club but would love to. We will add it to the list! It's often overlooked but was very critical for the Peninsula later. Had the Federals not been driven back into Fort Monroe, they could have kept a closer eye on Magruder's works.

So happy to see this series on the Peninsula Campaign. I'm a big fan of your regular wargaming programs, but this topic is particularly exciting to me as a retired history teacher and CW reenactor. I portrayed a Harper's Weekly artist correspondent from 1999 to 2008 at events across the country, and your excellent coverage brings back fond memories of those years in the ranks of the "Bohemian Brigade." Good show, lads!

Keep them coming , loving this series. Can't wait for the battle 🙂

Very nice! I can see how, by summer, Little Wars TV is going to be "must-watch" programming!!!

Great presentation, thank you.

Thanks for doing this series. I hope it is just the beginning for other ACW campaigns.

Can't wait to see the battles of this campaign!

I am a direct descendant of John Magruder. Glad to see someone covering him.

@LittleWarsTV

Жыл бұрын

Quite a fascinating personality and historical figure!

Small qualm: They give Magruder a little too much credit for discerning McClellan's plans. Mac's original plan was to land at Urbanna, not Fort Monroe and the Peninsula, mainly because he was aware of the works Magruder was constructing on the Peninsula (but to be fair, yes, by March 24th Mac now intended to head for the Peninsula, and was largely ignorant of just how extensive Marguder's defenses had become . . . as the video stresses). Bigger qualm: absolutely no mention of the fact that as Magruder begged Richmond for more troops, he was also desperately pleading with them to send more enslaved Virginians to dig his entrenchments.

@LittleWarsTV

2 жыл бұрын

And indeed Richmond did so--many of the rebel earthworks were built by slave labor. And not just here along the Warwick...African American slaves were forced to build fortifications up much of the Peninsula toward Richmond. Fort Monroe has an interesting history as a place of safe harbor for escaping slaves who managed to make it across Union lines to the tip of the Peninsula.

@liverpoolirish208

2 жыл бұрын

Magruder was a broken clock. He was constantly asking for reinforcements, since well before this. Lee, who was directing operations, believed the troops moving to Fort Monroe were only staging there before reinforcing Burnside. The big moment is the demonstration of the 27th, which completely alters the campaign...

Things get tense. It´s always High Commands problem that any general calls out for more troops or supply. You need the one, which do the best with what they ´ve got. Magruder did this.

thank you so much! really enjoying it! wasn't he known as King John for some of his attitude?

@LittleWarsTV

2 жыл бұрын

"Prince John" is the nickname that commonly appears in historical sources. It appears to be largely due to his lifestyle and less about the attitude. Magruder was a heavy gambler, partier, and liked to spend his money on fine clothing.

Interesting!

Ngl the voice they "gave" magruder seems near perfect

Thanks Guys woo weee Love This INFO....HISTORY.

@LittleWarsTV

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, we had a great time doing something a little different and spending more time unpacking the history. Usually we do quick historical overviews and then focus on the games. This time we flipped the script and did the opposite--mostly history with some gaming.

Now I want to game Big Bethel!

I know you guys are in the US, and it's the way you pronounce it there, but the original Warwick is in England and it's pronounced 'War-ick' (the second 'w'is silent). It's a bit like the way you butcher Worcester/ Worcestershire (Wooster/ Woostershir). Apart from that, great video (again); keep them coming!

This like the macgyver snl spoof, 🎶magruder 🎶

Hey Little wars tv what about a battle in India EIC vs VOC there's a scenario in the black powder book i forgot what it was called 2nd edition

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​ @Tony's Civil War Museum® 1988 is the publication of McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom, which is the source of all the claims of marching in circles. McPherson didn't reference anything except quotations, and a few other things. One of the things he gives a reference to is UK grain imports, and the figures he quotes are not in his reference. McPherson simply opted to read around a subject, and then wrote what he remembered. This lead to some unfortunate issues where he misremembered what he read. With no references or citations, nothing can be checked. This is the beginning of a citation tree. A "false fact" was been asserted, and quickly contaminates the literature when it is cited, and then the citations cited etc.

@LittleWarsTV

2 жыл бұрын

Magruder's "marching in circles" is well documented beyond McPherson's book. Stephen Sears' "To the Gates of Richmond" has original source material and letters from 1862 that directly collaborate this story. When in doubt, we stick with primary sources and leading historians on the period. Sears is an authority on this topic.

@liverpoolirish208

2 жыл бұрын

@@LittleWarsTV Sears is an interesting character. Let us not discuss that he was flat out caught distorting facts over McClellan telegraphic messages on 13th September, for example. Sears gives four pieces of evidence, which are contradictory and do not support this thesis: 1. The diary of Edmund DeWitt Patterson (11th Alabama), which does not mention any deception whatsoever (and was the only piece of evidence for a deception used by Ken Burns, despite not mentioning any deception). 2. A post-facto letter from Lt Robert H Miller to his unionist uncle claiming the entire Warwick Line was only defended by three regiments, and that his regiment (14th La) marched up and down the whole length of the line six times, and that they didn't sleep for weeks because that was all they were doing. Miller also wrote a letter to his mother (not mentioned by Sears) on the 9th April with a more factual account of affairs; after they left the old battery at Ship Point on the 27th March (due to Porter's division demonstrating) they marched 9 miles to Dam No. 1 on the Warwick Line, dug trenches there, and hadn't left them since, eating and sleeping in them. That account is far more believable. 3. The diary of Capt. Jas. McMath (11th Alabama) mentioned that they moved down to Wynn's Mill at the double quick on the 5th April, and returned to Lee's Mill a few hours later (this movement is mentioned in Magruder's AAR, and was a response to one of Martindale's regiments pushing forward a recce to 1,000 yds from the Warwick) 4. Mary Chesnut's diary, which is a simply a repetition of some of Magruder's hyperbole a few months after the event after it was in the Richmond papers. In sum, Sears does not offer any single creditable source to support the idea that Magruder deceived McClellan. He has two officers of the 11th Alabama mention that they were repositioned on the 5th in response to a new perceived threat, the musings of a Richmond socialite, and some obvious hyperbole to taunt a unionist relative which was contradicted by that persons more honest writings. That's why you need to actually follow up footnotes.

But if General MacGruber was in charge, he would have won the battle with just a paperclip, a pennywhistle and some duct tape.

@LittleWarsTV

2 жыл бұрын

Hah, interesting you say that. When it came time to actually fight battles later in this campaign, Magruder does not fare quite so well. His performance is something of a mystery. Early in the Peninsula campaign he's a rock star, but that star dims awfully fast....

Ah 53 seconds ago how the hell did I do that uhhhh

You guys are good