The Sable church and Cathedral of the Deep are not of the same religion. The Abyss and the Deep are not the same thing.

@dominikkowalski2386

2 жыл бұрын

Could you elaborate? DS3 has been so long ago, I forgot many things

@natiscool

2 жыл бұрын

Good spotting on this mistake! The Sable Church is only mentioned and there is really no evidence tying it to the Cathedral of the Deep, so most likely a separate religion. Hope it didn't take too much away from the discussion point!

@nerassmallerchannel5619

2 жыл бұрын

@@dominikkowalski2386 The Sable Church rests on the belief that the hollowed form is the most honest and truest form of anyone, they practice the dark. Meanwhile Cathedral of the Deep are composed of deacons that first fought against the Deep, but through Aldrich ended up being consumed by the Deep. basically: The Deep = The deep blue sea The Abyss = The minecraft void

@onyxh8859

2 жыл бұрын

@@natiscool would take a look at Ratataoskar’s video on the deep. It’s more like a peaceful Oceanish realm that’s been corrupted by blackened human souls.

@TheGameRuler

2 жыл бұрын

@@nerassmallerchannel5619 Funny thing I have noticed. Throught the entire series, we are made aware that the Hollowed form is the form deprived of a Soul OR when said Soul is too damaged. And it's confirmed and verified when we find Gwyn and the Nameless King and a few others that this is the case. So for the Sable Church to Worship the Dark yet have a faith that seemingly worships the absence of the Soul... I'm inclined to believe that the Usurpation of the Fire ending is akin to returning to the Age of Ancients. Also... anyone noticed how the theme of Death is so very strong within the Sable Church? Like more Death than the actual Dark? They Embrace the Curse and curse the Living too, yet in the Ringed City, we find lots of hints that the Civilization closer to the Dark actively fought the curse. The Purging Monument as well as High Curse Resistant gear of the Knights (forged from the Abyss itself) is indicative of this.... even more interesting that it's referencing that anything born and forged from the Abyss betrays a smidgen of Life. When you cross-reference the two cities (Ringed and Londor)... they are starck contrasts... almost like one is unknowingly worshipping Death and the Other is Pure Dark. I feel this DLC revealed a bit more of what the Dark can do as well as the true source of the curse itself. Also... not all Pilgrims become Pilgrim butterflies, in the same DLC, we learn that they can become the Angels too... which ironically command Light as well. A a neat tidbit, the optional Dark Lurker Boss in Dark Souls 2 resembles an Angel and it is an ancient Abyss creature... perhaps the Angels of Dark Souls 3 are merely withered or young forms of a full Angel yet the Dark Lurker is the Apex? EDIT: Something I forgot to mention regarding something the video mentions: The Sable Church has Velka's miracle, yet through the questline to gain Sorceries for Londor, we can see they are willing to steal knowledge and materials for their own cause. Even going as far as to lie to obtain them. Also... of note. We don't know why Patches hates Clerigy... but they are associated with the Gods, and it's pratically infered by the Ringed City gear that despite being subservient to them, they didn't join the war willingly against the Dragons, they wear Abyss filled cloth around the eyes in subtle defiance to the Gods binding of the Dark Soul... and we know that the Curse was instilled unto humanity by the Gods and the Dark Armour of the Knights has the HIGHEST RESISTANCE to curses. So... I don't know Patches could be just the Mascot... but also the Furtive Pygmie since... well, he has lasted for a REALLY long time in a world where the only ones who seem to endure that long are those of great power.... and the Dark Souls Primary Concept is "Want"... he claimes devoid of all that yet... he clearly acts by his own wants when we meet him (to loot us, have us as costumers and whatnot)

Y'all trippin if you don't think Gwyn named his son Gwyn Jr.

@yurinoworry

Жыл бұрын

Gwynagain

@chrismerriweather7692

Жыл бұрын

@@yurinoworry W comment

@yurinoworry

Жыл бұрын

@@chrismerriweather7692 Thank you *skeleton*

@roboticgamer5029

Жыл бұрын

@@yurinoworry This is too amazing to pass up. I need to use it from now on

@colbyboucher6391

Жыл бұрын

Well, it could just be Gwynson

Gael can't be the protagonist from ds2 because he doesn't have hot pink hair and a lime green tattoo.

Patches being the fertive pygmy is my absolute favorite theory ever

@willw1991

2 ай бұрын

If that's true, then the Furtive Pygmy is my most hated character in the series. I killed that bastard with a song in my heart. Fuck Patches.

Only in Dark Souls is it appropriate to say, "I don't think Smough is Alderich because it says smough likes to quote 'Grind his enemies bone and eat it' which heavily implies the victim is dead, on the other hand Alderich quote, 'Likes listening to the screams of the people he's comsuming, being one of his favorite things ever.' which of course means live prey." jesus christ

@monkeysk8er33

2 жыл бұрын

Who on earth would ever even consider them to be the same person? They're radically different, even beyond these quotes. 🤦

@zakgodwin4836

2 жыл бұрын

@@monkeysk8er33 reesarch more into it, it generally makes sense

@monkeysk8er33

2 жыл бұрын

@@zakgodwin4836 I'm pretty educated on both, but this theory is a reach. You realize Aldrich is from DS2 right? Smough isn't a God. And he's killed in DS1, whereas Ornstein is definitely just an illusion. DS2 likely takes place hundreds, if not thousands of years later. They're different characters. Not a single character lives across 2 games like that. Eventually I'm sure FromSoft will release a lore book with a full timeline.

@zakgodwin4836

2 жыл бұрын

@@monkeysk8er33 you make a point, where is aldrich in ds2 lore? i played through it a few weeks ago and i don't think i remember seeing aldrich mentioned anywhere

@wyvernslayer4530

Жыл бұрын

@@zakgodwin4836 no one from ds3 was mentioned in ds1. Or ds2.

I like how both theories of what happened to Smough are their own version of terrifying. In the implied version of his ending, Smough, most hated of all of Gwyn's soldier sans perhaps the Nameless King himself, was the only one loyal enough and devoted enough to remain in Anor Londo. He would finally achieve his honor as a Knight, but only in his actions of defending Gwyndolin from Aldritch and perishing in a gruesome, unholy manner that meant nothing in the long run. The proposed theory of Smough being Aldritch, however, means that the short-sighted nature of the Gods led to the creation of a monster so powerful and evil that it would even consume the last of the Gods and their entire legacy itself, inadvertently dooming them all the second they allowed Smough to even wield a weapon in their name. Eeeuugh just really icky tragic stuff.

@user-ns4zm8qe9p

2 жыл бұрын

I like option 2

@A_Black_Sheep94

Жыл бұрын

How would Smough be Aldritch? Aldrich was one of the deacons to start off with no? Also Smough died in DS1...

@nap8187

Жыл бұрын

@@A_Black_Sheep94 retconns my boy

@Dmitry_Medvedev

Жыл бұрын

@@A_Black_Sheep94 "worlds fading in and out"

@russian_knight

Жыл бұрын

Or he just died Because we killed him in the first game Lol?

Pilgrim butterflies might be a premature transformation. A massive time skip happens between regular gameplay, then entering the Dreg Heap. Angels are probably the ultimate goal of transformation, but most pilgrims do not last long enough to become one.

Was just watching your Dark Souls Iceberg and looked to see if you had one for DS3 and you just uploaded it. What are the odds lmao

@iceyshoob272

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@Acquahsecsi

2 жыл бұрын

SAME

@natiscool

2 жыл бұрын

I've been watching you all 👀

26:12 The Ashen Hollow also suggests that perhaps everything in Dark Souls is Velka.

@siavashpurfallah3552

2 жыл бұрын

lmao tru bro was obsessed with Velka

@criticalkel6045

Жыл бұрын

Yes, thats why he cant be taken seriously anymore

@Shadow666_

Жыл бұрын

Wait...What? Are you guys saying the orphan of kos isnt actually Velka??? But...but the ashen hollow said-

rosaria cant be gwynevere because she has no chest

Finally, part 3 of the best series icebergwise

@natiscool

2 жыл бұрын

Wow thanks, Ymir! Let's hope its the best series so far! :)

@chebberson2429

2 жыл бұрын

@@natiscool blood borne next?

@tylerboyce5893

2 жыл бұрын

Literally the dark souls of icebergs

Archdragon Peak illusion would make sense if killing the Nameless King would turn the sky "normal" but it is back to clear blue.

Archdragon Peak is a direct reference to Constantinople, the architecture and tone of the whole area is unique. There's also Byzantine Greek inscriptions on the Nameless King's bell.

I know a lot of fans speculated that the nameless king's true name may be some variation of "Gwyn" like his other children. Also great choice of BGM with Guts' Theme. Though I can't help but laugh when I hear it now due to the countless memes it inspired.

@natiscool

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely a lot of Nameless King's true name theories I didn't include in this iceberg, this one would have been great to add! Guts' Theme I was a bit hesitant on due to many memes using it, but surely we have to put a Berserk reference in the video!

@anibalgonzalez7990

2 жыл бұрын

I picked it up too... rekt... my feels...

@Zpalq

2 жыл бұрын

The suffix -sen means "son of" in north Germanic languages. I should know. My head cannon has always been that his name was Gwynsen, which he later changed to Farram.

@joeychadwick3854

11 ай бұрын

@@Zpalq Dude that makes sense Gwynsen would connect all of that

Just stumbled upon this channel a few days ago because of the Dark Souls icebergs! How lucky that this came out so soon after finding this channel!

"Sens fortress" is a mistranslation. Its supposed to mean fortress with 1000 traps. (Sen being 1000)

@SilverSwagboss

Жыл бұрын

It's interesting how many theories fall apart when fromsoftware games are properly translated

@briankeys5941

Жыл бұрын

smartest person in the room

@obiwankenobi8494

Жыл бұрын

"in the Japanese version, the fortress bears the "センの古城" name, which translates to "Sen's Old Castle", in which, "Sen" is definitely a name." From the soulslore wiki

@creepergaming3445

2 ай бұрын

As someone who knows Japanese the mistranslation of sen’s fortress theory is definitely false. Name pretty much does translate to sen’s fortress. Sen, although meaning 1000, has no counter or any noun attached and it is written using katakana so it doesn’t mean 1000.

about the pilgrims..they are not only turning into pilgrim butterflies, they also turn into "angels" from ringed city DLC, you can find corpse of one of them directly next to one of them striking resemblence

Hey man, just wanted to say I love your iceberg content, keep up the great videos!

Maybe the real Furtive Pygmy was the friends we made along the way

@Yourlocalbrazilianfemboy

Жыл бұрын

Probably

Very well done my dude, the lore for these games always keeps making you wonder even after so many years

This is the description for the soul of Aldrich This to me is one of the biggest mysteries in DS3 When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea. He knew the path would be arduous, but he had no fear. He would devour the gods himself. be very curious if any of this where to be a key part future installments

@zyzdzy

2 жыл бұрын

maybe past installments, bloodborne had lots of big blue sea to go around the classroom

@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon

2 жыл бұрын

There is this theory that explain the age of the deep as a flooding of the dark souls world, much like the biblical flooding, the human dregs (that are a physical manifestation of sin) are causing the deep (a body of water that resides at the base of the world) to overflow and will eventually induce a flood for which Aldrich decided to prepare by devouring gods and obtaining their power, protecting himself and his subjects. There may be signs that this is already started to happen at the end of the game, as in the dreg heap are enemies who raise from the ground, covered in barnacles and wielding the most powerful version of the deep soul spell, the great soul dregs.

@tyhjyys

2 жыл бұрын

yeah rykard in elden ring has almost the same exact kind of motivation to eat the gods

@donb7519

2 жыл бұрын

probably not its kind of just a common thing in japanese stories its like in western stories where a bad guy steals money to get powerful

@Evigsnostorm666

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe he was talking about the ash lands in the ringed city.

The Gus theme near the end was a nice touch to wrap up the iceberg. Nice video!

I’d be more inclined to think the furtive pygmy is the one who greets us at the beginning of the Ringed City. Maybe the other pygmy kings are his descendants, and he (as the original) has come to see the folly of trusting Gwyn. Which could also explain the missing throne, as maybe he was cast out once he grew tired of the Ringed City’s indulgences.

the "real bodies" of the angels (the slugs that kill the angels when they die) sprout from pilgrim corpses

This has been your best soulsberg video thus far. I thought I had something specific to touch on, but I’ll comment again when I recall my point.

nice video i had alot of fun watching it, keep up the work!

Been waiting for this!

One of the things i've enjoyed thinking about is how when Anor Londo's illusion is broken when you visit there again in Dark Souls 3 it's just night forever there and i started with DS3 way before i played DS1 but it's just one of those undertalked about things i often find myself praying at the Gwynvere shrine when i get there in ds3

I checked last night to see if you posted Dark Souls 3 yet. Was very hyped to see it posted after that

man i never would have thought that the pilgrims from ds1 could be dead in ds3, it never clicked with me.

Yoo I was missing your channel. I love these lore iceberg videos

@natiscool

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Hamid, have been struggling in life trying to get time to make these videos (they take me many hours!) so have seemed to slipped a bit slower than the once a month that I'd like. However, with a nice old Easter break around the break hopefully we have another iceberg video come the start of May!

@hamidofwinterfell8002

2 жыл бұрын

@@natiscool that is great to hear :)

brilliant video as always! I love the different theories about the pygmy, and how after all this time there's still no clear answer. btw, do you think there's any possibility of a Bloodbourne video in the future?

Archdragon Peak's architecture is based on Byzantine Architecture. The Byzantine Empire was defeated by the Ottoman Empire, which is now modern day Turkey.

I really appreciatet¿ that Breserk OST! Great videos as always.

Gertrude went blind and mute due to the visit of the angels, Rosaria lost her tongue by the hand of her first-born

Using the theme from berserk toward the end of the video was such a nice touch!!!

Your dark souls iceberg was the first video from you i've ever seen so this feels kinda nostalgic

Would love to see Elden Ring Iceberg, Great Video

@natiscool

2 жыл бұрын

This should be the next video off the rank! :D

Love the theories!

ashen hollow's furtive pygmy theories started somewhere interesting and then just devolved into like throwing things at the wall to see what sticks

@haku8135

Жыл бұрын

I mean..... That's kinda Dark Souls in general. It's literally by design that shit is just MISSING. TONS of parts of the story are literally just not there as the lore is designed to be incomplete.

thank you for great content man! you make amazing souls content, not to say your other content is bad just really only seen the souls stuff because its my favorite series rn and my only interest as far as video games go.

I love how almost a good quarter of the video is just about trying to fit the Untended Graves/Archdragon Peak piece into DS3 lore

No way Sen's Fortress is named after the Nameless King. If his name was erased from history they'd probably think to also rename the fort lol.

thanks for putting the tp gerudo theme in this

In all honesty, just based on the trend, if the nameless king is in any way related to Gwyn his name would also start with Gwyn.

Love the berserk music in the background👌

YES!! So excited!

Maybe the real Firelink Shrine was the friends we made a long the way.

if patches is a contender for furtive pygmy status, then surely the vendor behind the bars in the first dark souls is as well. "because nobody would expect him, that makes him more likely."

i heard a theory that since people be tryna turn into dragons and wyverns that ornstein could be the nameless king's wyvern.

40:32 you SOB, using up THAT soundtrack... damn ninjas peeling onions~

When you fight first fight Gundyr, it's a cake walk. When you fight him again.. he kicks your ass with a major reality check haha. One of my favorite fights because he's dumb fun.

The snake men also appear at archdragon peak. The only two places you can find them in dark souls 1 was Sen's Fortress and Seath's Library

In 12:47, I don't think that theory would work since the ashen one used the coiled sword to start the bonfire in firelink shrine

What an experience it was

FINALLY DARK SOULS VIDEO

The music that starts at 40:45 hits hard, I feel that I’ve heard it before but I do not know the name of it sadly… 😢

@natiscool

Жыл бұрын

You may have heard of it if you've watched Berserk! Here's a link to it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ln2jq66Hj67YmLg.html

My least favourite theories in Dark Souls are those trying to identify the furtive Pygmy. I don’t think fromsoftware ever wanted to draw attention to him, other than the fact they he split the dark soul which gave way to humanity. Hence why they call him furtive. Manus was just a primeval, first gen human who went berserk and birthed the abyss. Velka is the goddess of sin and, because of that, knows what Gwyn did was a sin (the first sin) and that’s why she helps the undead from afar. Trying to identify either of them as the furtive Pygmy takes away from their already cool character lore.

Its finally here :)

rosaria isnt gwynevere, she is only a distant descendant of her and flann

So Manus's arena next to his grave is the opening cinematic of the furtive pigmy just without the fire and Patches showing everywhere in every possible game (not sekiro) feels like a time/space trvaleller recording stories from all the lands

It go so deep it end up in Dark Souls 1

From watching lore videos on this trilogy, I have come to my own conclusion: all Gwyn needed to do was GET OUT OF THE KILN!

Sen isn't a character as sen's fortress is a mistranslation of fortress of a thousand traps or something similar.

🥶🥶🥶

@EeARKky7435

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

Guts' theme is always the cherry on top of souls' videos 😉

you are spying me!!! last night i watched your dark souls 2 ice berg explanation and yeah, the next day dark souls 3! that's crazy"!

@natiscool

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to see you return! By the way the new couch looks great 🕵‍♂

I feel like patches would make sense being the furtive pygmy but he nor the ring city hollow drop the dark souls on death. But I thought the dark souls was fragmented into infinite pieces which turned into humanity. So not one single person carries the dark souls but all humanity. It seems to be most heavily suggested that manus was the original furtive pygmy but has become something else entirely when u fight him. I mean its in his name after all.

Manus can't be the fertive pygmy as was confirmed by dark souls 3 ringed city dlc. Who it is no longer matters anyways.

@_Dat_Edgy_Boi_

10 ай бұрын

Manus is literally the father of the abyss, thus meaning he was probably the forth lord to find the darksoul in the fire and create the darksoul and eventually it corrupted him

@xonrob9575

2 ай бұрын

@@_Dat_Edgy_Boi_that doesn’t inherently mean he’s the furtive Pygmy. He’s Father of the ABYSS, not Father of the Dark Soul. The dark soul was distributed to all of humanity by the furtive Pygmy. Manus was probably just one human in the first few generations of humans who was put in an unfortunate situation (torture) and this caused his dark soul (which is present in all humans) to become the source of the abyss.

Love the sneaky berserk theme at the end. Very good and nice thank u

I'm no Dark Souls lore expert but isn't Sen's Fortress Japanese name something like 1000 Traps Fortress? I'm just curious.

41:56 ah yes the music of pain

whats the ost playing during you talking about the pilgrim butterflies?

Fuck yes I've been waiting for this!

@natiscool

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your patience! :) Hope it exceeded expectations!

Anyone else catch the guts theme

Slightly off topic, "Secret Betrayal" is the best song from the OST, and most people probably won't hear it.

Imma need you to explain why you have footage of extinguishing the Fire after killing SoC with the Gargoyle Flaming Spear.

It would be absolutely the greatest thing if Patches, was Lapp, and he was the Pygmy. But he's just a FromSoft "staple". His first appearance is actually Armored Core 4. Still think he's a perfect fit, tho. (Also, nice Berserk music drop at the end.)

I found nito's coffin in Iudex Gundyr's Boss room

@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099

Жыл бұрын

Damn really? If so that’s actually really interesting, at least to me.

Damn, minister was right, we do need better railways in Archdragon Peak. Can't get anywhere without getting yeeted off by those snake-men.

i just thought that the perfect fit for the fertive pygmy would be patches since he's in every game, easily forgotten but is there in the very beginning and the very end. Then I read the second comment under this video saying they subscribe to the patches is the pygmy theory. Interesting, I came up with a theory myself but of course it already existed xD

Ahh Dark Souls. Defeat fallen gods and demonically possessed armor sets with the power of dragons but cannot jump.

Please do a Morrowind Iceberg video

It’s so upsetting DS3 wasn’t remastered AFTER ps5 was released… I fantasize about a Demon’s Souls quality version of DS3 for current gen 😢 Would have looked mind blowing

Anyone else notice the Guts Theme playing in the background? Though I was imagining it at first, was like: "Man, I need to stop listening to that song all the time. I'm hearing things now."

Another smough theory is that once ornstein left anor londo smough decided to stay vanguard at his post and was eaten by aldritch

I’d like to see the bloodborne iceberg done

Sen (戦) could also mean war/battle/fight. So a translation could be something like fortress of war, not neccesarilly a name.

@BerserkKop

11 ай бұрын

Except "sen" is spelt in katakana as "セン" and not in Kanji. So it's more likely a name foreign to Japan than the actual Japanese word for 1000.

I aint never been this early

I personally think that Aldritch is a pseudonym of Aldia, Scholar of the First Sin

lol, I discovered the ds1 last night and was wondering if there was one for DS3

19:09 mother of WHAT?

@dinonatorful

Жыл бұрын

Eeek

if there is a dark souls 4 i would love for it to be on the age of dark and maybe you become the new original flame and start the loop again

@mr.fister4738

Жыл бұрын

Would be a cool idea. I would like a Dark Souls game at the begining of time. Seeing the Gods at their primes and seeing early humans resonating with the abyss and fight with their abyssal weapons and armours would be insane to me. Or getting a look at the world of Dark Souls when it was beautiful is nice aswell.

What I think about slave knight Gale is that he could be from dark souls 1 and even dark souls 2 I believe that truly that as the curse goes on as we saw with patches one would forget who they once were but clearly they can still remember how to fight and such. I think what may have happened is that Gale was a slave knight in 1 and with the linking of the fire of the first game things went back to normal at least for a bit. I the beings able to return back to lift and he from the ring city no doubt he and the others just stayed there. We don’t know where the Bearer came from all we knew he was looking for a way to end the curse maybe a way to TRULY end it but found the result was the same so again left. This caused him over time to lose more and more of memory forgetting himself, Another idea is that armor he chose to wear when finding it because it suited him he was a slave to the will of the painter after all

What's the song playing during the part about Rosaria?

@natiscool

2 жыл бұрын

The majority of that section is Dark Souls III - Father Ariendal & Sister Friede, I used a great remastered version by Leamsy (kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4qpk8GxdbecZaw.html) The theory then finishes off (in the Gertrude part) with Shadow of the Colossus - Resurrection (kzread.info/dash/bejne/gmh7o7acfdi_dNo.html)

The DS3 main theme is so good

Patches clearly isn't the pygmy he is just a user of a mech from armored core clearly.

Maybe the furtive pigmy is the friends we made along the way

i do believe that the untended graves are in the past because if you die in the untended graves and go to the same spot in the cemetary of ash you can find your souls there

dude you can´t hit me with guts theme just like that