Hello you beauties. Get the free Reading List of my 100 favourite books here - chriswillx.com/books/ Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:17 Reactions to Louise’s Book 04:38 What’s Wrong with the Sexual Revolution? 11:15 Challenging the Idea of ‘Progress’ 21:01 Invention of the Pill 27:48 Dynamics of Modern Dating & Marriage 33:55 Explaining Sexual Disenchantment 43:08 The Argument for Celibacy Before Marriage 50:44 Why is Loveless Sex Empowering? 1:04:56 Louise’s Findings on Porn 1:16:09 Exploitation of the Sex Drive 1:25:37 How to Act Against the Sexual Revolution 1:30:58 Where to Find Louise

@OfZeitgeist

Жыл бұрын

15:00 p0rn can be identified as a root cause of some societal dysfunction

@blondscientist

Жыл бұрын

Beauties, lol... that was cute 🙂

@johnowen1867

Жыл бұрын

@B Perez Rather than calling each other names, why don’t you constructivey explain what is better about today than 50 years prior.

@dimethaltryptamine1

Жыл бұрын

For a follow up for this I'd try & get an interview with the author's of 'Sex At Dawn' Christopher Ryan &/or Cacilda Jetha! Mostly because they adress the long term evolutionary biological historical sexuality from the dawn not just prior to the Agricultural revolution around 10,000BC.

@rojdanewroz5797

Жыл бұрын

In the video you claim that a "healthy" man is extremely jealous by nature and would not let other men sleep with his girlfriend/wife. But there are also cultures like in Tibet where women often have multiple spouses. The old tradition also has economic reasons and ensures the survival of the people there. Your opinion about this?

The thing about the battle of the sexes is that it can only be lost. Men and women are complimentary, we are not in competition with each other. If we view it that way, we are all harmed and we all lose.

@maxjohnson1758

Жыл бұрын

The battle of the sexes ended years ago. Men lost like a boss.

@zeno2501

Жыл бұрын

@@maxjohnson1758 Wrong. It is ongoing, and sadly men will tear down society before they concede a loss.

@SarahG266

Жыл бұрын

I agree, Tom.

@jemimahkendall6579

Жыл бұрын

@@zeno2501 yeah exactly, I feel this is why we have this rise of men claiming to be women and invading womens spaces

@cmcgruder3829

Жыл бұрын

@@jemimahkendall6579 interesting connection. It's clear that this movement has pushed women to the side. Women used to be protected or separated because of inherent vulnerability. Now they're expected to celebrate being exposed to all kinds of potential predators in the name of equality. Even what makes women completely unique (childbirth and motherhood) is now diminished for work outside the home and mocked by people who say men can give birth too 🙄 feminism is putting women out of business.

One of the most important and painful lessons that every young woman must learn is the difference between a man who likes you and a man who desires you. They are not the same.

@jadehalliday6636

7 ай бұрын

As painful as that is, it's so hard to ascertain that in today's interactions with men 😔✨️

@transitionsnc

6 ай бұрын

This is a very wise comment.

@SeemsLogical

5 ай бұрын

One tries to see you for who you are while the other sees you as what you are?

@transitionsnc

5 ай бұрын

It definitely takes time, practice, and patience.@@jadehalliday6636

@mastodonttix

5 ай бұрын

pretty sure most women can tell, the key is not using the opportunity to get fucked if she also has desire

It doesn't matter what gender it is, I never really understood the whole casual relationships, friends with benefits, flings, booty calls, etc. They just don't make sense to me, like I am not built for that. All my relationships were serious. I never treated anyone as disposable. Shortest was 3 years. I got to know them, had many experiences with them. I have observed that most people who are into casual sex tend to be very depressed.

@Aeoxmusic

3 ай бұрын

Same, haven't had sex in 7 years

@forestmanification

3 ай бұрын

What you did makes no sense to me, you still had multiple sexual partners as if they are interchangeable and pretended that sex is not sexual reproduction, therefore purposefully ignoring what yourself and the other are... which is not "knowing them", it's purposefully pretending that the very thing that makes them a man or a woman is not there. You just wasted more time than the people who do it more quickly, why waste more time if it leads exactly to the same position?

@TheKatjee91

2 ай бұрын

@@forestmanification I have read this comment 50 times now!!! You have preached! 😭😭👏🏿👏🏿 excellent rebuttal

@DimitriTheBarbarian

25 күн бұрын

“Them”? You had relationship with multiple people at the same time? Why can’t people speak English anymore

@DimitriTheBarbarian

25 күн бұрын

@@TheKatjee91totally agree. The only difference is timeline - a woman (assuming it’s a woman) requires more time to get to know a man so her relationships tend to last “longer”. But she is still going through men and never settles.

I find it interesting that society recognizes that it's *necessary* to "teach" people to "not catch feelings" -- because that very fact implies that we know that it's *unnatural* to avoid involving feelings. The fact that it has to be "overcome" is an evidence itself.

@clv603

9 ай бұрын

100%. The scary thing is that it's narcissistic people encouraging other people to become narcissistic. To narcissists, people are "objects" that only exist for gratification and narcissistic supply. It's disgusting.

@FlamingCockatiel

8 ай бұрын

I'm with you. Avoiding feelings never made sense to me, especially in a society that bases so much on them.

@skylinefever

7 ай бұрын

I think about how much therapy is about gaslighting certain emotions away.

@svr5423

5 ай бұрын

feelings are a liability. Proper management of emotions is essential for mental health and performance reasons. Sexual gratification is only one of the fields. In a professional environment, you also cannot make decisions emotionally or let emotions dictate your interactions with other people. Think about an airline pilot, a professional scuba diver, a tank battalion commander.

@RachelRamey

5 ай бұрын

@@svr5423 Certainly feelings can be a liability in certain situations, and being able to manage emotions is essential. But we're specifically talking about *intimate relationships*. It's unnatural to have an intimate relationship with someone, and not have feelings involved. That's a totally different situation from piloting a plane or commanding a military battalion.

At the beginning of the interview, Louise mentioned articles about teaching women how not to develop feelings with their sexual partners and I have to say that I did read a similar piece on Vice a few years back and it really blew me away. I simply could not compute the amount of cognitive dissonance that is required to think such thoughts, let alone sharing them as advice! I remember clearly the writer of the article saying that she wanted to find a way to stop falling in love with guys that she HATED without ever acknowledging that the problem was in the premise. Why would anyone have sex with someone that they hate? I still can't figure out what kind of thought process would lead you there and even to go further down that road by wanting to repeat the experience... this is madness! Just find someone who's proper and learn to judge their character first rather than fucking with anybody and then acting like you're a victim of your normal and healthy biological functions. There are many things at play here but I think that this decoupling of sex from responsibility is what has led to this new eternal adolescent syndrome where most young adults fall unto this vacuous hedonistic quest because not only is it socially/culturally encouraged but it's also facilitated by the fact that most young people (especially millenials) are extremely cynic about love because we grew up in broken families with parents who were the first victims of this sexual revolution. How far are we going to stray from a working model just because we aren't prepared to put the effort to save our couples and families? Just because we're doing our best to deny that about half of life is about suffering and then break up at the first sign of any hardship?

@SN-jh3bb

Жыл бұрын

Lots of people do not love they love style instead so sex and emotion exists forever as not much more than just another behavioural game.

@pamelaclark909

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely true and strikes at the foundation of this nonsense. Thank you!

@wefeelthereforeweexist.

Жыл бұрын

Pointing out the truth girlll

@mnjkmnjk123

Жыл бұрын

well said and spot on.

@joandoherty5334

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree, well done

There is nothing casual about casual sex. Women also encouraging other women to sleep around and not catch feelings is absolutely absurd also! Glad that you guys are talking about this topic as it's a huge issue for both men and women in the world!

@divisadero8859

Жыл бұрын

How did this happen? In the past other women will burn you alive if you were easy, now they do the opposite :D

@trevtall1094

Жыл бұрын

High bodycount damages the ability of women to pairbond but the internet and men don't help things spending on average 90 minutes a day with online dating sites, half of that spent messaging women with a third of men not get a single date for their effort. That's a ton of narc inducing validation and simping.

@wujekstalin1

Жыл бұрын

Plot twist - its actually men that write those articles

@justsomeguywithoutamustang6436

Жыл бұрын

@@wujekstalin1 Plot twist - you're the ones who bought into it 😂. Not just because you secretly wanted it, but also because you're looking for someone else to blame once it's not so convenient for you anymore. And here we are, us laughing with the consequences of your actions 😂😂😂. And I'm using "you" as a figure of speech.

@wujekstalin1

Жыл бұрын

@@justsomeguywithoutamustang6436 What?

3:16: 📚 The speaker discusses their book on the problems with the sexual revolution, highlighting differences between men and women and the negative impacts of casual sex and pornography. 12:00: 📚 The speaker discusses the impact of the sexual revolution on women and challenges the notion of progress in relation to feminism. 16:04: 🔑 The discussion highlights the differences in sexual disgust threshold between men and women, the impact of these differences on sexual relationships, and the consequences of the pill and technological advancements on gender dynamics. 23:32: 🤔 The speaker discusses the physical and psychological differences between men and women, highlighting the profound physical differences and the potential for cultural influence on psychological differences. 31:13: 🔄 Sexual disenchantment is the idea that sex has lost its special meaning and become a mere social interaction, but in reality, people still attach significance to sex. 39:01: 🔍 The discussion explores the pressure women feel to engage in emotionless sex and the role of consent in framing these experiences. 46:14: 🔍 The conversation discusses the societal changes that have led to more men being absent fathers and the acceptance of single motherhood, as well as the emotional attachment and instincts associated with sex and reproduction. 55:00: 📢 The speaker discusses the impact of OnlyFans on women, highlighting the challenges and risks they may face. 1:06:06: 💭 The online porn industry is profit-driven and uses algorithms to create a super stimulus, leading to addictive and extreme consumption. Some men develop erectile dysfunction and struggle to have real-life sexual experiences. 1:09:14: 😮 The speaker discusses the contradiction between the increase in explicit sex scenes in media and the decrease in actual sexual activity, and explores the impact of porn on sexual culture and attitudes. 1:16:50: 💬 The speaker discusses the disconnect between the left's prioritization of tearing down bourgeois sexual norms and the negative consequences of disconnecting sex from reproduction. 1:24:55: 📚 The speaker discusses the need for more critical thinking and less polarization in political discourse, and suggests that women should delay having sex to assess a partner's intentions. 1:32:00: 🎙 The speaker thanks the audience for tuning in and encourages them to check out the best clips from the podcast and subscribe. Recap by Tammy AI

@princekermit0

9 ай бұрын

thank you for footnoting sections for replaying and further reviewing the interview.

@neglectfulsausage7689

8 ай бұрын

"casual sex is bad lemme just tart myself up with massive makeup to be as alluring as possible before talking about this"

@princekermit0

8 ай бұрын

@neglectfulsausage7689 Makeup is not exclusively for attracting and mate selection. Also, young people (generally) mock and disregard the words of the visably aged, and the infirm.

@neglectfulsausage7689

8 ай бұрын

Old people are for stealing from, not hearing from @@princekermit0

@benzonex

7 ай бұрын

​@neglectfulsausage7689 @neglectedusage: what is it exactly that makes you believe tarting yourself up makes you more attractive to men?

My first time as a man made me wish I had waited, it felt forced on my part. I also tried the casual game but everything felt like I was just using myself to pleasure the ladies, I was detached and it meant nothing and made me feel hollow and empty

@clownanonymous6174

6 ай бұрын

as a guy who's never had a gf, but was just ditched by a "casual" partner before she had sex with me, this makes me realize that maybe it wasn't such a bad thing. I wanted something real but she just wanted to fool around without the commitment. It felt so sudden that she didn't want to be with me anymore when I thought we were having a good time together, and it hurt to have that opportunity of experiencing it taken away from me, really messed with my head. But I think I'm just realizing that she wasn't a very good person and I wouldn't wanna do that with someone like that anyway. I just hope that there is still someone out there for me, because with everything going on, and knowing what kind of guy I am, I gotta say it seems extremely unlikely.

@bro918

5 ай бұрын

@@clownanonymous6174 im curious, did that woman know you were a virgin?

@raze956

5 ай бұрын

"I also tried the casual game but everything felt like I was just using myself to pleasure the ladies" and thats your mistake. you dont to this to pleasure others, you do it because YOU enjoy it. if you arent enjoying it and you are doing it to please others it cannot work, meaning you will get no satisfaction from it. and satisfaction is the whole point of it to begin with. the question that i find interesting is: why do you rate pleasing others higher than yourself?

As a virgin waiting for marriage, I’m considered the weird one in society nowadays! But ironically I get so much respect from both men and women and many have told me they wish they did that or had waited.

@melindagallegan5093

Жыл бұрын

Fellow virgin here. I get seen a weird or “religiously indoctrinated” for holding onto my virginity for dear life until marriage. I don’t want to engage into the try before you buy as the risk is too high for a boy to pump and dump me. My children will be better off with one father and I will not damage my health by engaging in anti contraceptive measures either. There is also the MGTOW movement going on where guys complain about girls devaluing themselves by having a high body count but the same guys also shy away from you if sex is not on the table from the get go. What a contradictory world we live in.

@kristinrichmond8185

Жыл бұрын

Good for you!! My husband and I both waited until marriage. I promise , it’s worth it.

@neko_8315

Жыл бұрын

You're definitely not weird. Good for you. I believe theres alot of ppl in the world that wish they were virgins again

@nocturnaljoe9543

Жыл бұрын

You are sniffing some strong copium. They would all do it again.

@patrick.771

Жыл бұрын

That’s not weird, almost like a jackpot for your future man ;) The less men women had the better (men prefer it and studies showed that relationships are stronger and longer)

At least someone is finally acknowledging this. *edit-added* I would take the cynical approach that the sexual revolution worked just fine if you believe its intent was to break down social bonds, atomize individuals, and make them more malleable to consumerism and top-down control of behavior. In that sense, it has worked like a charm for the sort of businesses and personalities who benefit from it.

@onlyonestarwarsfan5337

Жыл бұрын

Mary Eberstadt has been talking about this for a while too.

@trueleo7893

Жыл бұрын

spot on

@nicoledickens2366

Жыл бұрын

I think that defines both third wave feminism and the current neo-liberal political hell. This conversation is the start of the new fourth wave and the backlash against the capitalistic/Stalinist infiltration of society. Societal rebellion starts with mothers and grandmothers.

@joshchilders1

Жыл бұрын

Could be, or could be that capitalism as a structured system works more efficiently at extracting what it wants as soon as the nuclear family structure breaks.

@nicoledickens2366

Жыл бұрын

@PGH Engineer you should check out Sam Vaknin; he has a ton of videos about this very thing.

"so focused on a somewhat imaginary enemy that they can't interrogate the coherence of their own views" brilliant line, and this can be applied to so much in life ❤

Attempting for suppress the emotional attachment that arises from a sex act is no less than attempting to suppress your humanity.

@plokijuh5830

Жыл бұрын

LoL no

@bananewane1402

10 ай бұрын

For me, sex doesn’t create an emotional attachment it just enhances what’s already there. And it’s nowhere near as dramatic as you make it out to be with your wording.

@markmarcas6523

10 ай бұрын

Humanity is being suppressed. Even though i would love to be in a relationship, i am not and will not seek a relationship.

@TheSeeking2know

10 ай бұрын

Transhuman?

@Subsistence69

9 ай бұрын

Sex is not that big of a deal in my eyes. It can be a wonderful thing to share with a person you love or it can equate to masturbating with a body. As they discussed in the video, generally men don’t generate attachment from it

I think the conversation needs to evolve to the point where, instead of justifying any and all behavior as "progress" and "freedom," there is a recognition that certain behaviors do not benefit most people no matter how "progressive" they seem.

@chrisbaldwin1925

Жыл бұрын

I think its to evolve to a point where conservatives do SOMETHING to actually progress and the liberal minded need to learn to appropriately manage their liberalism. This because we repressed ourselves in an extreme and violent way or a long time and wouldn't budge. That creates exponential clawback. maybe something there for all of the partisan hacks wether they be woke or born again

@tomwright9904

Жыл бұрын

Are you gonna let them do them though?

@SvendleBerries

Жыл бұрын

@@tomwright9904 I would be fine letting them do them, if they would let others do what they want as well. Sadly, that is not the case. These people are everywhere in education, the news media and the government, which gives them control of the information people get and how children are taught in schools. They get to do them, and we are forced to play along lest we get labeled as "Nazis" for pointing out the negative aspects of this behavior, or simply not wanting to take part. Ive read articles posted by mainstream news organizations that blatantly said that NOT wanting to sleep with a trans person was transphobic. Basically saying that trans people are the only ones that get to choose who they fuck. Everybody else just has to shut up and do what they are told. How nice.

@januarysson5633

Жыл бұрын

The revenge of the Hegelian dialectic is upon us.

@monad_tcp

Жыл бұрын

walking forward to the abyss is still progress. we need to realize not all progress is for the better

I wish i had know this at 16, growing up in Denmark where abortion have long been normalized and the sexual revolution is old news.. Being so confused about my own feelings and denying my inability to just "have sex like men" and wishing to get married one day, to a kind man, and the disconnect from reality this "freedom" is, along side getting sold the disney fantasy of meeting a man who will sweep me of my feet and love me forever.. I'm now 34, single mum of two, the father pissed off years ago, and have no contact to his kids, his choice.. i've really had to learn the hard way, that my system isn't build for this kind of thing, it's been detrimental to my mental health as a young woman.. i hate that all the norms are gone, i feel it's imposible and heartbreaking, to navigate dating.. With online dating, and the normalization of emtionless "puplic" sex, this is only getting worse, i pity the young women getting sold this lie, so that assholes can make a ton of money on their bodies.. and i pity the young men left with no drive and no feeling of what a real connection can do for your quality of life.. i'm so glad the internet wasn't around when i was growing up.. Living in a very woke world, and feeling like somethings fundamentally wrong with this.. Thank you for stating why it feels so wrong, when all the arguments off personal "freedom" are really good, and putting my feelings in to comprehensive words, backed up with sience😊 I'll try to raise my kids with this knowledge in mind❤

@Opal5674

Жыл бұрын

It's probably better he pissed all the way off. I allowed my ex to still see our son and now my ex at age 40 has decided he's really a woman and has started hormone treatments. Fine example of a man for our boy. 🙄🙄

@dittemller9611

Жыл бұрын

Ohh yeah, they are better off without him, and i'm better off not having to deal with his sorry, half criminal, explosive, non-functional a** as a co-parent😏 but i still wished i'd done better in chosing a father for my kids😏 if i had known sex too early would induse romantic feelings, i'd have had clear head and probably not cought any feelings.. so this knowledge would have been gold😊

@eddie-ni5ox

Жыл бұрын

Thats odd that you are glad that the internet wasnt around, seems like the outcomes werent different at all.

@dittemller9611

Жыл бұрын

@@eddie-ni5ox i imagine it could have been even worse🙃

@ricardoh87

Жыл бұрын

men can have consequence free sex now, there's no incentive to better themselves

This conversation made me very sad. I'm glad that people are finally talking about the wreckage that promiscuity has wrought. And really sad we had to learn the hard way. So many broken lives.

@lostonweb1

8 ай бұрын

"sad we had to learn the hard way?!?!!" It was in the cards, it happened!!! why grovel and spit and moan that it happened that way???? PICK UP MOVE ON!

@andrewmclaughlin2701

7 ай бұрын

Forlorn monogamy is not pleasant.

@jasonu3741

7 ай бұрын

The sub context of this question had me thinking "maybe men dont naturally die before women" it seems like its on Men to basically do everything, especially when we know now womens educational prowess, maybe just maybe men worked themselves to death to provide the best lives they could for women and children. Which gave me another Eureka moment so I checked and what do you know... Gay men make more money, live longer and happier lives than apparently straight men, straight women and lesbiand women... It seems instead of saying as always "men need to do more and be better" It might actually be the cost of "earning" and maintaining a woman has always been too high.

@aCycloneSteve

6 ай бұрын

I may have a band-aid solution. End involuntary child support. If women KNOW they will have to raise a child on their own unless they get a written agreement with the father, they are less likely to sleep around. Most sane women don't WANT to have an abortion or be a single mother.

@jasonu3741

6 ай бұрын

@@aCycloneSteve Whenever this is proposed you need to understand society does not want to support your child NOR does society want to deal with the ramifications of a unsupported child. Child support was a conservative mans legislation not a liberal woman's. Understand conservative men believe (as they should logically) men are more responsible than women, benevolent sexism if you will.

I love this so much!! I briefly tried casual sex when I was a young teenager. I thought it was what I was supposed to do. I had to get really drunk to do it and the shame and sorrow the next day was immense. I really REALLY wish I hadn’t gone against my natural instincts but societal indoctrination and peer pressure is also a very strong force. Especially as a young woman.

@74KU

10 ай бұрын

Bet you still wore a mask and took your jabs though.

@AcmeRacing

9 ай бұрын

If you were a young teen under 18, or if you were too drunk to legally consent anyway (even if you got drunk _after deciding to have hookup sex_ ) you could take that sorrow and regret to the police and put your partners in prison.

@donnasaathoff1220

9 ай бұрын

@@AcmeRacing what does that mean?

@AcmeRacing

9 ай бұрын

@@donnasaathoff1220 If she was under 18 in the United States, she was too young to legally consent to sex. If she was drunk, she could argue that she was too drunk to consent to sex. Either one would be a slam dunk if she decided, after the fact, that what she chose to do was not consensual.

@robinlee28

9 ай бұрын

Exactly the same feelings. For fellas it can be a sort of validation but casual sex just amplifies feelings of loneliness. Men aren’t really supposed to say it.

explaining "red pill" to an elderly coworker, I told him it's a reference to the matrix where you take the red pill to get out of the comfortable and into reality. He replied, "And the blue one is viagra?"

@tvu24

Жыл бұрын

LOL 🤣🤣🤣

@kundaigotore992

Жыл бұрын

Don’t talk red pill outside of the community. It should be a tool that helps you fix your own personal life it’s not the gospel.

@gooddogtalks

Жыл бұрын

Yes it is.

@TomTom-sj3bn

Жыл бұрын

He's not wrong :-))

@LeSyd1984

Жыл бұрын

@@kundaigotore992 1st rule of redpill, don't talk about redpill?

I’m 46 years old, never had a girlfriend and never had a date in my whole life. I never thought my life would turn to be this way, it was never my plan to become an incel and live on my own from the age of 22. I’ve seen and learnt a lot over the years, and when it comes to interacting with women i realised how futile my efforts are and how worthless my heart is. When you’re not worth a second glance from a woman, that’s when you know your value and your place. I know i will die a lonely and childless old man one day, but that’s ok, i have accepted that long time a go. Now i just live my life in peace, i have everything i need, i keep fit and healthy ( i have my own gym at home), i’ve traveled around Europe (by myself) and seen many awesome places, i work hard and i make the most of my life as it is. Yes, i am an incel but i don’t hate nobody, i have absolutely no intention in hurting/killing anybody and i don’t resent anybody. I just simply live my life in peace, just got back from two weeks holiday abroad and planning on buying my self a new car soon. Life goes on anyway. The complete lack of female involvement in my life and an involuntarily lifestyle of solitude has taught me that my happiness does not depend on a women, it depends on me.

@cholokori7432

Жыл бұрын

Do you think if you agreed to provide for a woman and all your children together, it would help you get a woman? Or do you not want to be used like that?

@minus_flipped

Жыл бұрын

Sir might I suggest going international. you will find somebody, as beauty standards vary all over the world.

@VeritasIncrebresco

Жыл бұрын

Former incel here, there are reasons for being an incel. 30% of men who identify as an incel have some type of autism. If you're not in that category, it might be one or all of the following: Low career status Out of shape Socially awkward Do any of these things match with you?

@Dylan-ko2gj

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story. I'm happy you've found peace

@FlorinG.

Жыл бұрын

@@cholokori7432 One major obstacle and then, one problem: me with a woman - my brain simply can not comprehend such fantastical and out of this world hypothetical. There are many problem with dating a single mother, let alone marrying one. No point in listing them here because will be here for a long time. But before even getting to that point, i can’t help it thinking that i’ve been completely ignored by women all my life. A woman wanting me now, just as insane as that sounds to me, especially a single mother, i believe they’re only interested in the safe and secure life i can offer. I don’t want to sound harsh or cruel but i’m no charity worker for any woman. I apologise if that sounds arrogant or somehow even vengeful, but try and put yourself in my shoes. All these years nobody wanted me, why would anybody, especially a single mother want me now? It’s not me they would want, but rather what i can provide for them. But none of these matter anyway, because, like i said, any scenario which involves me and a woman is absolutely incomprehensible to me. I don’t stress myself with such fiction and i’m not going to start today. At no point my life gave me even the slightest hint that such mythology can become reality.

Many thanks for this discussion. Suggesting that polygamy or promiscuity is ‘natural’ to men seems to me like saying murder, rape, theft, unhealthy eating/drinking are all ‘natural’. That kind of ‘natural’ does not make such activity wise, insightful or psychologically having wholesome results. Men also have minds and using them in self-reflection is also ‘natural’; its being regarded as a ‘minority sport’ does not make it ‘unnatural’.

@steffihaas7490

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, I never understand why people say this. I don't even think it's true. What societies had poligamy as their core principle and for the majority of society? None. And she wasn't just talking about men, she was talking about both sexes, just to clarify.

@FourApramanas

Жыл бұрын

@@steffihaas7490 Thanks, Steffi. You are probably aware that, historically, various ancient societies formally accepted polygyny (having multiple wives/women simultaneously). Today, Islamic law formally permits polygyny (a man may have up to four wives, provided he treats them “justly” (i.e according to Islamic law) and equally, and any number of concubines); parents can marry a daughter off at any age and not necessarily with her consent. Tibet had a system permitting polyandry (having multiple husbands/men simultaneously); I think this was generally “fraternal polyandry”, where the men were brothers and the aim was to avoid dividing family land and other assets on marriage (this system may not have been limited to Tibet). Though accepted legally in those societies, I cannot say how common polygyny/polyandry was/is.

@steffihaas7490

Жыл бұрын

@@FourApramanas I should have phrased it differently than "core principle". What I meant to say is that no society has ever lived by a polygamous principle and made it available for the majority of people. It was always an elite few that engaged in such relations as a sign of power. This is why I don't understand the claim of "It's our natural state of being as humans." This principle always corresponds to power and status on an objective level and is a sign of degeneration on an ethical level. You can look into history or you can look at recent examples of "pick-up artists", let's call them, propagating nothing else than the antiquated model of polygamy, only the marketing branded it "freedom", "happiness" and "revenge on feminists" to the little boys. But they will never have it because they are not part of the elites. I'm not sure on religious polygamy. I would think that it has more to do with reproduction as a sign of dominance of one sex and familial networks as power. As for Tibet, that sounds very much like economic reasons for this system that probably also only applied to a few landowners. It would do all normal people some good to stop dreaming of bigger and artificial things and look to idiots in the media who represent nothing more than what I wrote about polygamy. It's a better concept for us to be loyal and trustworthy, it helps stability, your social standing, your emotional regulation and your finances actually. And monogamy is not that hard if you make a choice and honour yourself as well as your partner (and your children if you have them).

@joecoolioness6399

7 ай бұрын

Well men having lots of sexual partners is how the species is guaranteed to keep going. That is what I think they mean.

@userequaltoNull

5 ай бұрын

​@@steffihaas7490 Like she said, roughly 80% of them allowed polygyny (the taking of multiple wives/concubines) in some form. The most successful among them had stricter rules or less common polygyny, however a massive proportion of primitive societies (such as Mongols or Madagascan tribes) engaged in habitual polygamy where a small proportion of men kept all the women, and the rest of the men were killed off in tribal conflicts.

I’ve listened to several interviews with this lovely woman. She is wonderful at explaining her points and ideas and has a very soothing voice. I think her studies and work really needs to be heard and studied everywhere.

@voidsaverob

10 ай бұрын

she opens the video by saying " if sex work is work why is it not ok to sexually harass non sex workers because they are also working"

@bobgreenfield9158

10 ай бұрын

She seems to talk and does not say much.

@jasonblizzard9635

10 ай бұрын

Rollo Tomassi for over twenty years has been delivering amazing information, which she is trying to recycle here. Most people today are lifting Rollo's work and passing it off as their own because his work is so life-altering. Amazing stuff. Check him out. five books called the Rational Male. Thx!

@sman14GTA

9 ай бұрын

​@@voidsaverobShe clearly implied that consent was attained. Hence her use of the word "Work", and within the context of comparing it with the main job of the theoretical "sex worker". Your confusion adds to the argument that "sex work" isn't actually work.

@voidsaverob

9 ай бұрын

@@sman14GTA bro listen to the intro again tf are you on about. "obtaining consent" around sex from your workplace subordinates is inappropriate and harassment. in no context does it excuse this type of behaviour to seek consent.

Back in the days of the modern American housewife men were looked at as being horrible for cheating on their wives with their secretaries and such. The feminist movement came along and told women “hey you know that horrible thing that men regularly do by NOT being in control of themselves? why don’t we just make it OK by society standards for you to do the same thing?” Instead of calling men to a higher standard we lowered the standard for women. Great idea!

@johnsham7568

Жыл бұрын

Don't even try, it was nothing like that at all.

@zizi5721

Жыл бұрын

Perfect.

@quakers200

Жыл бұрын

Putting words in feminists mouths so you can win the argument is a perfect example of the straw man argument.

@Yarblocosifilitico

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@Yarblocosifilitico

Жыл бұрын

@@quakers200 How is her parodic quote not entirely accurate? (And, if you think parody is too much, just read her next sentence which encapsulates it perfectly in a completely descriptive way). Pointing out an instance of parody in an eloquent comment and ignoring the rest is a perfect example of avoiding to address the point being made.

Episodes like this make me more optimistic about the future - the fact that we're having these conversations. I hope to make a channel that encourages the same constructive conversations. Great topic choice Chris!

@Vendzor

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, it's becoming the norm to be against modern feminism and I'm all for it mate

@beaterbikechannel2538

Жыл бұрын

The mainstream the "alternative" once rebelled against has become alternative now. So you have tattoos, pink hair and you're sexually liberated and bisexual.....like 80% of women, really individual.

@kamrudkd

Жыл бұрын

Muslim women wear the hijab in public but they do also shop at Victoria secret, for their husband at home. There are other ppl out there, that wear Victoria's secret in PUBLIC and at home tell their boy friends/"partners" to go .......... That could be one difference Peace x

@marks-0-0

Жыл бұрын

These conversations obviously make sense but most people are too stupid or angry to take the information on board.

@LuisCarruthers

Жыл бұрын

@@kamrudkd I don't think we need to become an Islamic State in order to somewhat reverse the sexual revolution.

Louise Perry, always a treat where-ever you encounter her. Her retro-feminism is quite radical. Thank you, Chris for having her on. Thank you Louise for coming and sharing.

@joelmccoy9969

8 ай бұрын

She is just an `Ain't it awful´ conservative. Conservative shaming, attempts to stigmatize and forbid non-monogamous relationships while promoting gender binary relationships because of the economic benefits of demographic expansion to those at the top of the economic pyramid. The Feudal Gentry´s optimized tax code disincentivizes building a family.

You have men that can't get laid, and then you have men like me who deliberately decided to opt out of the entire process. For the early portion of my adult life I had difficulties with steady employment, which made my personal requirements for starting a family ( A stable income and my own house) quite trying. Meeting and sleeping with women was by and large not incredibly difficult. Finding a woman I actually wanted to keep however, was. I seemed to attract a particular type of crazy that was exceedingly unhealthy for my self and my family members. I was engaged twice, and left at the altar both times for insisting on traditional vows. After the second time, I decided to simply focus on myself. I was blessed enough to be able to assist in the raising of my sibling's children, and now have a stable life and my own home. While I'm willing to admit that I miss the companionship, and would most likely be happier with the right woman in my life, I am by and large content with what I have.

@farmerfox99

5 ай бұрын

Check out finding a good Filipina. They have traditional values and like go all in with their partner. Start looking up Filipina Pea. Lots of content

41:05 "They feel sexual disgust, they feel shame, they feel these deep painful emotions and the only person to blame sometimes is the man." Ladies and gentleman, welcome to feminism 101.

@FusRoBOB

Жыл бұрын

exactly 🤦‍♂️

@idao6434

Жыл бұрын

That's true...it is. And I'm not suprised if rape allegations will get higher because of it! I wish tho that our bodies were left out from ads and that the sexual objectification of us stopped on social media etc and porn stopped or at least you have to identify your self everytime on any pornsite as 18 at least. No children or youth should se that. It changes your view on men and sex. Social media kills and influencer are a sad business and dehumanising.

@jefferytokarsky1930

Жыл бұрын

Yes, “World Ends Tomorrow - Women and Children most affected.” Men’s sites sum it up as, “Women want the advantages of being a man, the privileges of being a woman, and the responsibility of a child.” The whole idea is that women were oppressed by men while the reality is women and men were oppressed by a few powerful men. Women got the vote, but avoided the draft. Women got better educated and better jobs, but they still expect a mate to make more than they do. Women want equal pay for equal work, but avoid most of the difficult and dangerous work. Gradually, feminism is liberating ... men from women. Men have looked at the rules of the game and are deciding not to play. Turns out it is really men who need women like a fish needs a bicycle. I’m glad I was dating and got married in the 80s but now I worry for my boys. Don’t want to discourage them from marriage but not sure the obvious risk is worth the potential reward.

@jackdeniston59

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it is not just sex though. Anything and everything that is challenging, even slightly, to a woman, is blamed on men. That is the drive of feminism always. Transfer all responsibility off women and onto men. All responsibility.

@GlynTaylor

Жыл бұрын

She's so damn judgemental. Like some people just like wham bam thank you mam/sir, chill out

I am sending this to everyone I can. Every time I bring up these points in conversations I wanted a podcast that summarized everything to make it more digestible. Thanks Chris!

@TJ-ml8tt

Жыл бұрын

Yep this is the one. This is the one I've been searching for for years.

@garljr

Жыл бұрын

Everytime I talk about this even in the Christian community, I get shot down as an incel, just great. But maybe because there’s a lady talking about it, they’ll actually listen.

43:56 We've tried everything in the realm of sexual liberation and hedonism, and are now optimising sexuality so as to maximise benefits for everyone and have come full circle: back to good ol' reliable marriage XD I laughed out loud at Louise's response "What you're describing is marriage" X'D

@bombappetit

4 ай бұрын

Being a Muslim in a largely conservative Muslim country, I'd like to think waiting out till marriage when one had their shit sorted out and ready for family commitment (usually 25-28, but seems to be trending to later), is the way to go. Instead of hookup culture. It seems that those values are quickly eroding. I don't even know who holds what value nowadays. I'm no longer sure whether was I held out for was I settled for.

I burst out with uncontrollable laughter after she completed talking about quasi consensual sex and you encouraged her with an enthusiastic “you nailed it”

@gregvanpaassen

7 ай бұрын

"The only person to blame is the man"...she chose to go back to his place with him. Women have yet to learn the concept of personal responsibility for their actions. No internal locus of control. That is one underlying issue, and it needs addressing urgently. Disney and feminism+social media have been utterly toxic on this.

We need to talk more about this. Promiscuity is damaging society ENORMOUSLY

@belindaanderson7540

Жыл бұрын

Are you speaking of both men and women?

@theboombody

Жыл бұрын

@@belindaanderson7540 I believe it damages both.

@toddjohnson271

Жыл бұрын

@@belindaanderson7540 Kind of but most men don't have the options to be promiscuous.

@bobdike1850

Жыл бұрын

damaging? lol the damage is done, the wind is sown, now for the harvest

@sarahrobertson634

Жыл бұрын

It's time for a secs strike, ladies.

This interview reminded me of Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions and how people on one side will accept and practice passed-down wisdom and traditions even if they personally can't fully articulate all the reasons for following them, while the other side sees no point in following rules when their necessity are no longer fully articulated and are simply taken on faith. I've become pretty socially conservative with age but I'm also sympathetic to the latter side as I've always been a "why" person. I just find it so sad and wasteful that by throwing away the morals and traditions of the past these problems have become pervasive in our societies and someone has to survey the damage and re-articulate the problems and the need for social enforcement of certain norms and we've circled right back around to tradition again (hopefully).

@hpal

Жыл бұрын

It appears the regeneration of tradition which ultimately is what works takes a staggering generation or two. It's the subsequent generations that benefit before they also repeat the cycle: degeneration, cast away everything, look back and retrieve, stabilise society.

@jasonbirchoff2605

Жыл бұрын

@@hpal The problem is we pass down the solution to the problems and FORGET the problems that gave rise to the solutions. We assume everyone knows what the problems were and only need to communicate the solutions. To break the cycle we need to pass down both.

@doloreshaze10

Жыл бұрын

thomas sowell blows my mind

@juliantheapostate8295

Жыл бұрын

@Celia Foreman How could you not be? To do otherwise is to not think at all. To make a judgement, is to think

She has quite a calming voice and demeanor, seems very level headed too

The scariest thing about striving to achieve emotion-free sex is … succeeding.

@janetappmeyer7483

10 ай бұрын

I grew up in the 80s. I hung around two women that were very promiscuous. I never questioned their activity, and they never questioned my lack of They ended up alright. They both are in very successful marriages and are grandmothers.

@michaelbovee6808

8 ай бұрын

Can’t and won’t argue with that statement…”scary” is the bare-bones-baseline staring point, meaning at the VERY LEAST it is scary, and cringe to imagine the cliff it falls off from there?

@TonyYuEvangelism

8 ай бұрын

People who achieve emotion-free sex include rapists and prostitutes.

@dinos9607

7 ай бұрын

@@janetappmeyer7483 I am not buying that. You are seeing "success" from the "female lens" which is extremely distorted. The fact that they have had "successful marriages" means absolutely nothing. Did their husbands search them? Did they scan their workplace, their friendly environment for signs of cheating? Did they DNA test the kids? Or should I investigate the husbands themselves? Maybe they are just cucks. It is pointless saying that "I know 2 promiscuous women that went on to have successful marriages". Promiscuous women are notorious for selecting cuck husbands, this is a known fact since even before the sexual revolution. Back in reality, while a promiscuous woman may undergo a change of heart and change her ways, that is rather the exception and not the rule. A promiscuous woman has multiple times of a higher chance to cheat in a marriage. Hence, the fact that these women have had "successful marriages" refers only to their ability to manage their marriage in a way that sustained it. It says absolutely nothing about how "successful" was the marriage for their husbands. If they are cucks, or if they just resigned to "it is cheaper to keep her than divorce her", we just don't know. All we know is that the started their marriages, already defeated for having married promiscuous women.

@rodeo457

6 ай бұрын

@@janetappmeyer7483So they found 2 fools (probably weren’t fucking them either) to marry. Ignorance is bliss.

A key takeaway from this conversation is that social norms exist for a reason. A society is a system, and for a system to function most efficiently it can’t get too bogged down with layers upon layers of complex, arbitrary, or confusing social rules. Gender “fluidity” and the introduction of multiple gender pronouns, and the expectation that we can no longer ever assume a person’s pronouns is a perfect example of this idea of bogging down a system with inefficiency. Social conventions have always been complex enough in the office and in the dating arena, but adding this new layer of rules that includes its own, enforced social penalties and punishments, should anyone violate them, is IMHO a really bad idea. There is a reason why the most popular and enduring games have simple sets of established rules. Imagine if it was decided that the rules of Chess were now fluid, and the types of moves each piece could make were arbitrary according to the whims of the players - “the King is now a Queen, sorry, deal with it!” It doesn’t require much imagination to see how that would destroy the game and result in total chaos on the board. It really seems that some people desperately want this sort of outcome for American society, and I think all of us should question and interrogate their true motives.

@ginaritchie451

Жыл бұрын

people are not chess pieces and society is not a chessboard. social change does not occur on a chessboard. the rules of chess have evolved for centuries, people have argued about every rule and it is played differently depending on where you are and what time period. comparing a single board game to society is inadequate because there have been other board games before and since chess. we routinely throw entire sets of rules out and create new ones or amend old rules. also, in chess, when any pawn reaches the other side of the board it can be turned into any other piece. on a whim. lol.

@RH_Factor

Жыл бұрын

The point being made is a perfectly fair and valid one. Delving this far into the Chess analogy is essentially intentionally missing the point being made and is disingenuous, in my opinion. The writer of the comment clearly doesn’t believe chess and society map 1:1, it was just one example of many that could have been chosen to make a simple point.

@filmjazz

Жыл бұрын

​@@ginaritchie451 I haven't played chess since I was in primary school, and the chess analogy was not the main point of my argument. That being said (and I looked this up), the basic rules about how the pieces can move on the board have been stable since the beginning of the 19th century, including your rule about pawns reaching the other side ("pawn promotion"). An example of the types of rules that have changed more recently (2013): "bringing a phone to the playing hall may lead to a loss, an illegal move will lose the game also in rapid chess, and two illegal moves lead to a loss in classical chess." There was a subtle modification to how pawn promotion must be executed, but not to the core concept "The act of promotion may be performed in various ways: the pawn does not have to be placed on the square of arrival, removing the pawn and putting the new piece on the square of promotion may occur in any order. If an opponent’s piece stands on the square of promotion, it must be captured." It should be obvious that these small rule changes are minor and not "revolutionary." The core rules of play on the board are stable, and no, we do not "routinely throw entire sets of rules out and create new ones" in chess (or in the legal system). Were we to do this, the game would lose all meaning, just like society would completely break down if all the rules were replaced too quickly. For an example of how disruptive it is when radicals and ideologues DO throw out well-established rules, one need only look at the impact of SCOTUS overturning Roe v. Wade. If you want to live in a stable and peaceful society, you should want and expect change to be gradual, and not be surprised at the backlash when people try to push through foundational changes at the most basic level of social interaction, such as what pronouns we’re allowed to "assume" in our schools and workplaces or who is allowed to enter a gendered bathroom with us, with severe social and professional penalties sometimes imposed for non-compliance. If your political position is "burn it all down," I hope you understand what that actually means IRL, and whether it's worth it.

@filmjazz

Жыл бұрын

@@RH_Factor You are absolutely right that the "chess" analogy was not my main point, but in my reply I doubled down on it since chess seems to be Gina's thing. The *real* point is that the human brain, on average, can only handle a certain level of social complexity before social relations break down. One example is the theory of Dunbar's Number - that each person can only manage about 150 social contacts in any meaningful way. My point about the whole "pronoun" thing is that it instantly adds an entirely new layer of unnecessary complexity to literally every social interaction outside the home. If our brain's processing power has to always be devoted to this new task, other more important priorities will have to be sacrificed, and that's bad for everyone.

@jessemockler616

Жыл бұрын

@@filmjazz very interesting thread filmjazz. I appreciate the research you clearly did as a counter to Gina's point. Not a common occurrence in this platform. Wish you well.

When she was talking about powerlifting and how a novice can lift more than she does after years of training, I could totally relate. I'm a sports climber for over 15 years now and many times there a new male climbers that after 6months or so of climbing, can do the same grade as I (not all the time and the style of the route matters, but still...).

@JadesFitnessBucketList

Жыл бұрын

sammmme i remember reading a stat saying male upper bodies are on average 4 times as strong as womens.

@user-qe7bt9dz1l

Жыл бұрын

That’s good that you admit that. Some people can be too proud to recognize and acknowledge that.

@filthycasual9381

Жыл бұрын

When did women ever get the hubris to imagine themselves as something other than physically inferior to men?

@carynefuture5778

Жыл бұрын

It is obvious that men are physically much stronger than women, How anyone dares to deny that? It's crazy. That's why they do all the construction works, Moving houses, they go to the Wars etc One of their societal and biological mission is protection, to protect us and the children 💪

@laurarozamunda

Жыл бұрын

@@user-qe7bt9dz1l True. If we can all acknowledge our own limitations, we can learn from each other and compete logically. For example, there are categories of weight in boxing because one is not necessarily more impressive than another. A boxer could be middleweight, and top of his game in his country. But pair him with a heavyweight, that would've been a different fight. Not to say he would lose, per say, because he could've been quicker [etc.], but it would just be a different fight, in which neither boxer, fighting with someone of another category, would be displayed at their best. Male sports often have divisions to showcase the best of a large variety. Any athlete, engineer, etc, of outstanding skill, still has outstanding skill, whether female or male. Recognising individual merit is the way forward.

Now i'm quiet a regular guy who expects equality in his relationships. My last relationship the woman I was with had a strong distaste for cleaning/cooking. Now im going to assume that most people operate in this way, You cook your partner washes the dishes and visa versa. This wasn't a very long relationship when I went to her house for the first time I wanted to celebrate and I cooked for her a pretty spectacular Shallot, bacon and thyme tatin and a Pecan and cinnamon bread for desert. The trouble started when I told her that I had to go to work pretty much after we finished our meals, now crazy me i kind of expected the person who was off work at the time to have the courtesy to wash the dishes. As I got up to leave she told me "hey, you forgot to wash the dishes" I replied sorry but i can't or I would be late for work. My god the look she gave me was utter contempt, she screamed at me about how women don't belong in the kitchen and how I was a mysoginistic sexist. I uh, left and never looked back. We were only seeing each other for like a week.

@grettirgrattmards2348

2 ай бұрын

Yeah you did too much for her too early. And she acted entitled and ungrateful like most modern women.

Women may well no longer need men for anything at all. But children need fathers. I know this from countless occasions in my own personal experience. Children who have a happy relationship with their father behave completely differently to children who have no father when interacting with myself. The difference is so striking that a complete layman cannot fail to see the difference. School teachers have reported such differences for decades.

This is interesting to watch since I was a stripper/pole dancer for over 7 years . Even though the barrier of sex /sexual acts was never crossed it did have very deep long lasting effects for me . Having to lie to myself everyday and pretend like I enjoyed dancing naked for men that were literally so gross to me did something deep down , even though I tried to separate my work brain to my ‘ real life’ brain . I can’t say I regret what I did because I did make good money and got myself in a good position now and I think I needed to learn this lesson ( I wouldn’t of seriously understood the talk we’re listening to now if I hadn’t of been through what I have ) but I would definitely not advise any young person to do what I did . It’s not a path for long term relationship health , I got lucky , 99% of my friends in that job didn’t get lucky .

@schrodingerscat1863

Жыл бұрын

@@airgin3000 I think she means that she was able to get out of it relatively unscathed and after building up a decent amount of money to be able to successfully move on. Most aren't so fortunate and end up in a downward spiral of drugs and sex work that they never get out of.

@hijodelaisla275

Жыл бұрын

@@airgin3000 You still haven't wised up. Saying that the "men...were literally so gross" is devoid of compassion for them and for yourself. Do you imagine you were better than your audience? Why do you think they wound up there? Why did you?

@carolinpurayidom4570

Жыл бұрын

@@hijodelaisla275 well they were gross

@reneerose9730

Жыл бұрын

Love your transparency and honesty on this 😌

@jessicacollier2499

Жыл бұрын

@@hijodelaisla275 Dude she doesn't have to have compassion for men who would never give such a thing in return, her judgement of those men were not wrong and that's why she got lucky. Pay attention.

Intelligent and courageous woman with a powerful thesis. Thanks Chris.

@cnote3598

Жыл бұрын

how? explain

@TheBayzent

Жыл бұрын

I don't see her thesis. Again, what does she suggest we do with Incels, other than remove porn, prostitutes and sex robots? Because the money these guys won't spend on onlyfans or a blowjob machine they will spend on a gun.

@steinsgate514

Жыл бұрын

@@cnote3598 watch the full podcast and you'll know how

@cnote3598

Жыл бұрын

@@steinsgate514 I did .. she thinks porn has benefits .. she's a feminist and doesn't even know it lol she probably likes voting and being a careerist. Who knows, just a hunch, but a good one based on what I watched. Talk is cheap, remember?

Over and over I keep hearing her say the same kind of thing a dozen times. She's not a Christian, and she's not Conservative, but she believes that the Christian Conservatives are right. Not only that, but she admits that the spreading of Judeo-Christian morals was radically unique and miraculous, and brought about freedoms through standards which protected women and empowered women, and that the divorce from Christian values has become disastrous for women. Who would have guessed this would happen? Literally almost every other Bible believer and pulpit preacher did.

Great conversation Chris! Listened to Louise here, bought her book. The book is phenomenal, so much research, clear line of thought, strong arguments, eloquent. Would recommend it to anyone.

Didn’t have any sex until my honeymoon night at age 22. I had completed a tour of duty in the military and been in courtship for a year before I married my wife. I’m 55 now. No regrets.

@meghanyoung8416

Жыл бұрын

Married at 22 as well and, yes, was a virgin on my wedding day. Feel so blessed to have been raised in a family that valued these traditional ways.

@louisbrown4620

Жыл бұрын

Congrats Mormon dude.

@cartergirl3of3

Жыл бұрын

Well that was a long time ago when sex abstinence until marriage wasnt crucified like it is today. Pray for us in our 20's and 30's. We're the ones persecuted for being virgins after the age of 20.

I’m halfway through this episode and I didn’t realize how much I needed this. I’m a woman approaching 30 and adopted a much more conservative view in the last couple years- especially in regards to children and marriage (thanks to Jordan Peterson). I’d always thought there was something wrong with me as a woman for not wanting to watch porn, or feeling guilty for not wanting to sleep with someone early on in a relationship, or not having a libido anywhere close to men, etc etc. I’ll finish the episode later tonight and I’ll probably buy her book too. Thanks for these great podcasts.

@jJust_NO_

Жыл бұрын

me too. if anything its always anxiety i get whenever i date or trying to find a mate. how can one get aroused with basically a stranger? i can go through that with alcohol but eeh i no longer drink so gone my social life too. and i dont think healthy men are suppose to be hypersexual. it does not work that way unless he is pathological and i know whatever worldview i adopt, its never going to be perfect so i throw it in the trash as well. i no longer desperately try to look for someone.. i try to be content on my own

@barrontrump3943

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha you hit the wall and now want to settle down when you should have cashed out earlier! 😂 😆 🤣

@seeyanexttuesday23

Жыл бұрын

Every woman I know, including myself, agrees with how you feel 100%. Thanks for saying this.

@central_scrutinizr

Жыл бұрын

@@barrontrump3943 Look at you mocking someone for being lost in the crowd at one point, instead of appreciating her for finding her way out of it. Way to go dude, the world really needs more of that. Why not save your anger and derision for the society that glorifies promiscuity, rather than pointing it at a lone individual who you know nothing about? You’re assuming a lot with your incredibly rude comment.

@peepeepoopoo8006

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry that society lied to you and that you now have to deal with the consequences of everything you did in your twenties when trying to find a mate now in your thirties

She's come to the proper conclusion based on reason. That's wonderful. I hope that one lesson she, and others, will take away from this is that morals, which bring one to the same conclusion, are also based on reason! People will dismiss moral arguments, out of hand, but they'll expect to be listened to, even celebrated, for coming to the exact same conclusions via their reason. Folks, live a moral life. You'll have a better time, overall.

the bit about dating apps being a commodified version of sex and relating that to consumerism at large -- mind blowing. Also love the term luxury beliefs and that very nuanced, nested set of propositions! Can’t wait to read this book

I bought the book right after finishing the podcast, and it arrived last night from the UK(I live in the Netherlands). It is the most revolutionary book I have read in a while. I started reading it yesterday at 21.30 and finished it today at around 15.40. I cannot describe how understood I felt, and how she confirmed what I always knew to be true. I completely related to the statement before the acknowledgements '' For the women who learned it the hard way''. All women (including myself) have been sold a lie, it's time to correct the trajectory of our destiny and stop listening to psychopathic messages pushed on us by mainstream media. Time to make a change!

@TheAcad3mic

Жыл бұрын

Stop telling yourself and others it's the mainstream media. It's women. It's feminists. This is women getting what they wanted and learning the hard way why for millennia women were protected by fathers and husbands that gave a fuck. Women have argued for decades to be given the freedom to make their own fuck ups and have rejected the protections of good men, leaving you vulnerable to the predation of the bad ones. No sympathy for women.

@kastelvetro1491

Жыл бұрын

womens value t men 14-23 , thats it. when u girls look at kids and say '' if they didnt make them that cute we wuldnt have them'' , its the same with men and history ''' if men didnt take wives from 14-22 up till the early 1900s and women of old where just like modern gay men with debunk uterus's who don't settle down till 30 their would be no history of marriiage anywhere in the world. much like its over today. mans, girls and boys world today, women are merely to give out lousy customer service at their work now that the job is the sole income as a dutch date she has to become to evven date modern men who dont really have to trade down anymore or do much to get laid.

@anisb7119

Жыл бұрын

Please What’s the title of the book

@ioanaana2263

Жыл бұрын

@@anisb7119 It's called 'The Case against the Sexual Revolution' by Louise Perry.

@grannyannie2948

Жыл бұрын

I know the moment I woke up to the harms of the sexual revolution. It was the 1980s and I was still in highschool, and Germaine Greer came on TV. She looked in the camera and she said, the books I wrote about sexual liberation were for married women, not Little Girls, next time a boy said if you really loved him you'd have sex with me. You say to him, if you really loved me you'd buy me an engagement ring. These few words changed my life.

So glad I came of age in the 80s and early 90s. Been married to an amazing woman for 24 years now. Was 26 when I got married in 1998...definitely sowed my oats before marriage and figured out what I was looking for in a partner and she and I never take anything we have for granted. Listening to my single friends of all ages 22-50 talk about the horrors of dating these days....it sounds like mine field. I cannot even imagine dealing with all of that nonsense. I would rather pack a bag and go disappear into the mountains and live in a cabin and let society continue to lose its mind. The messages our "culture " pushes out sound like the ravings of a lunatic. Its no wonder men and women are all completely confused, misguided and there is such a huge disconnect between the two. Its truly sad. As one other person pointed out...men and women complement each other...its not a competition....yet by and large all of these movememts and media etc have driven such a massive wedge between men and women I honestly do not see how that gap will ever be closed. I truly feel for you decent single folks who are looking for a mate.

@queengoblin

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I believe society is dividing into more and more subgroups. I think that is the way it will go. The people who want to have casual sex and an abortion every other month can go off in their corner, and this growing segment of the population who rejects that idea will go off to ours.

@josephdockemeyer6782

Жыл бұрын

Porn culture ruined (poisoned?) so many relational aspects. Very sad. We have a society of bitter, chronic masturbators and cynical, hairless porn star wannabes. It isn't healthy.

@viviennedunbar3374

Жыл бұрын

Well yes, the more socially conservative and religious are still having (mostly) stable marriages and lots of children. I am Catholic and have 3 kids. I have friends who are married with 6 kids, 9 kids and 8 kids and are grandmas in their 50s because their kids still marry in their mid 20s. I am concerned about all the poor kids growing up in chaotic homes and environments with no stability and absent parents. That has been happening in large numbers for two generations now.

@maskedbadass6802

Жыл бұрын

You're reminding me of a friend of mine who recently got married. Obviously I want him to be happy, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried for him. His wife seems like she has a lot of red flags. They are both in the military and as he was driving me back to the airport I heard the wife call on speaker to complain about her boss and all the "white males" she has to work for. My buddy tried to joke about it since he is a white male, but there are so many more clues that she is miserable trying to "prove herself" to impossible feminist standards. This is even though it has lead to her needing back surgery because of all of the physical labor she takes on "to not feel worthless."

@princecharming8125

Жыл бұрын

@@maskedbadass6802 lol. Yes white men make her work, back pain picking up, it's a sin women trying to be men.

I have always agreed with all of the concepts she talks about... im so glad someone is finally speaking about this in a high profile way

Brilliant, fantastic interview!! Thank you both for that

Man, I am so happy I am in a happy marriage with a wonderful woman. I have been with her for 19 years. What worries us is the environment our children will have to live in. Social media induced craziness, narcissism and depression, transgenderism, the daring and sex landscape. It feels dangerous out there for teenagers and young adults.

@za.307

Жыл бұрын

Put your little ones in cellophane and tuck them away at home. You might just get away with them not sampling life.

@viviennedunbar3374

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Also married 26 yrs. Our kids are young adults and teens. I think having a strong marriage is a huge gift to our children as we are living what the world says is impossible or even a miserable, bad thing. My 16 yr old son even watches shows with me and comments that he doesn't think certain characters have a "proper marriage" I think he means a healthy marriage. Such as Walt and his wife in Breaking Bad.

@lorenzocasesa1328

Жыл бұрын

I and my wife are in the same position. I teach my son to be strongly a MGTOW. For his safe, health and money

@otakumangastudios3617

Жыл бұрын

If it helps to know, as long as you give them a strong and stable environment, a nurturing Lee one at that, and not forced upon them, they will be unaffected by these outside influences. The transgender one though, that might be a bit hard. I was born before transgender was a word, yet I felt transgender in my early adolescence. This was because even though my parents taught me that your personality and your gender to different things and that me having ovaries didn’t make me have to like one thing or another, as I love lightning McQueen when I was a kid and love to play with toy cars and trains and love the justice league. Despite this, society is still society and when you go to the toy store there’s always a boys section and girls section, and that enough can send the wrong message to a child. Also if they were into kids that bully them and taught them for going against gender norms, that can affect it too. As long as you periodically assure them that being a boy or a girl is not a personality type and that they can be whatever they want to be and do whatever they want and they don’t need to change their whole entire gender identity for it, you should be good

@lampad4549

Жыл бұрын

Its amazing how people nowadays worry about kids going through social media induced narracism, depression and trangenderism and these are the same people that talk about the glory days of hold where people's greatest fears were child dying at a young age due to disease, waring tribes etc., just goes to show that we will always be snowflakes.

When my daughter gets a bit older (she’s 12) I will send her this podcast and buy the book!

@charlieweaver6322

Жыл бұрын

Why not now? Educate her while she's young, and before she does anything she might later regret.

@VeritasIncrebresco

Жыл бұрын

Yeah she's definitely old enough to hear about this subject. I didn't find anything in this conversation that was nitty-gritty

@jcstang8952

Жыл бұрын

Better hurry, before you accidentally send her to "school" and becomes a rabid feminist.

@Foxie770

Жыл бұрын

Don’t wait, 12 in this era is like 18 decades ago. Have real discussions with her now, in person. Don’t let a KZread video do your job as a parent!

@annawray2220

Жыл бұрын

@@charlieweaver6322 She has no access to the internet or phone so I have preserved time!

It's really nice to hear intelligent, open and thoughtful conversation about this stuff. The rhetoric I see and hear on most days is horrible, and there is no space to talk about it normally.

"I start with feminist priors and end up with socially conservative conclusions". Oh my, there is hope for humanity after all. That is the best thing I hear in a long time.

I've met countless women who've gone through the motions, shagged around, done it all, etc. The vast majority of them end up worn out and resentful. I've also witnessed lots of them then literally hate to see other people who've chosen a different approach and are happy in a relationship attempt to pour scorn on others. If it's free choice then why is it that there is such negative vehemence from these people who chose and lost? There are few shortcuts, and I find people are simply too lazy and expect everything instantly with no input. It's definitely a problem in the West and it will come back to bite us.

@fls128

Жыл бұрын

I've had similar observations. There definitely seems to be a correlation between the amount of sexual promiscuity and the amount of trauma/emotional baggage/instability/bitterness in women.

@wallybingbang4350

Жыл бұрын

Instant gratification is a sad lonely life.

@tebenlukecurig5201

Жыл бұрын

I always thought that this notion of having to go wild now and then settle down later if they did have the chance to settle down is a destructive thought process. When you get to have that ingrained in your nature that it gives you dopamine so much that some people got numb by it, you cant just snap your finger and decide to stop so you will be monogamous and be satisfied and happy. Youre like going upstream the whole time fighting a battle within yourself to stay on the right course. That explains why some people, even though they are living a good life as most of us percieve it, ends up being depressed and misetable. Your mind is pre occupied on the battle to change your perspective in life that any ripple or small obstruction on that path will break you. I think people need to learn how to find a way to strengthen their resolve to accomodate all this pressure since society already distorted formative years that built our core values the wrong way.

@ravenzyblack

Жыл бұрын

It’s because misery loves company. They don’t want to face the mirror alone and realize they made the wrong choices. That would mean they would have to take accountability for their actions, and can’t play the victim card.

@MrK.A

Жыл бұрын

I've seen the same thing too. Older women who swallowed the feminist ideology.

I think every young woman should listen to this video if they’re entering high school or college! I think educating young girls on this reality has historically fallen on mothers and the older women in the community, but I think it’s been lost as a cultural responsibility. I for one was never taught/warned about any of this and had to learn it the very hard way in my teens and early 20s. Spread the word!

@godleveleldritchblast5257

Жыл бұрын

It was women's job to teach this and always has been. As men we teach our sons how to behave and as women you teach your daughters how to behave. Women teach nurturing and men teach the truth of life.

@blondie9422

Жыл бұрын

Me too!! I didn’t know casual sex could cause me so much shame and sorrow. It was only depicted in the media as being fun and carefree (think Samantha from Sex in the city)

@herelookinatu

11 ай бұрын

@@godleveleldritchblast5257 interesting. Why aren't women taught the truth of life as well?

@godleveleldritchblast5257

11 ай бұрын

@@herelookinatu that is because of how men and women are built psychologically. Men are built more to run on an analytical system where as women run more on an emotions based system. This results in a nurturer and protector type system. Women are psychologically designed to be nurturers but when that nurturing capacity goes bad, it becomes the most insidious creature in existence. Men are psychologically designed to be protectors and when that goes bad men become violent creatures. The reason women don't teach the lessons of life is because of the factor that as a protector, you must constantly be aware of all threats at all times and so you pick up all things that allow you to survive, those are the lessons you teach. As a protector, you must distance your emotions from your survival. So that should answer your question.

@Yeetmaster3000-co4on

10 ай бұрын

@@alexrenee737 Well they better get over their fear. We are fresh out of patience. And we men are not going to sit here in the west and waste our younger years waiting for them to have an epiphany. Women have had decades to correct themselves and we are not going to wait anymore.

A really engaging conversation to listen to, thank you both

Started out just seeing what she was about, ended up enchanted and encouraged

the middle is either no more, or shrinking. we are now just people who are willing to questions things, and people who arent.

I grew up to moderate/conservative parents in the 80s and 90s who believed in the sexual revolution. Now, in my late 40s, I can see how detrimental this cultural trend actually was in developing strong marriages. I tried my best to avoid divorce but my first marriage ended after 7 years. Even the beginning of my relationship with my wife was based on sex. While we had what I thought was an open, friends with benefits, relationship, her concept and FEELINGs were different. The bottom line is that women aren't wired to have sex like men can have sex. We have to accept this fact! I don't want my daughters to sleep around with now commitment. Their body and souls are worth more than that! The sexual revolution made sex transactional and removed the value of human interactions, that are the core to why we are here. My wife and I had some amazing times at the beginning but there is so much more to building a family with someone and sharing common goals, like raising children. My life is much richer and I can now see how detrimental transaction sex was and is to people dating today.

@kevin.skorupa

Жыл бұрын

Men are wired to have sex based on opportunity, women are wired to have sex based on connection. The whole sexual revolution giving women "power" by controlling conception, only made casual sex more common and hurt women in the process. A good woman with Christian values and an abstinent view on sex is more valuable than ever.

@andymac345

Жыл бұрын

Would like to engage further with this comment but it is such a deep subject I don’t have the time. Generally speaking I agree.

@mylet2658

Жыл бұрын

I agree traditional is best ! Transactional sex is awful And commodification of a womens sexuality is bad too

@josephdockemeyer6782

Жыл бұрын

I ran across some statistics a while back pertaining to gay male sexual interactions. The number of sexual partners had by homosexual men was staggering. Women are not wired in a way that gives them the psychological desire to engage in a steady barrage of no holds barred sex.

@yeledim296

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY! kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJejx6yDeJvcn9I.html

What a pretty, lovely and intelligent woman. I'm glad she, and others like her, exist. She certainly paints the picture of a world in which I want my own daughter to live. The opposite of what she is saying and what she supports is a really dark world. We all know how we arrived to this moment in society and culture and it's sad.

Excellent discussion with Louise Perry. I agree with every work. Book ordered.

I think it’s not just feminism, it’s extended lifespans and also living in the most peaceful time in history. Humans evolved with men dying in large numbers in war and women dying in large numbers giving birth. Society is still adjusting to these two major changes.

@sisiphas

Жыл бұрын

Good point. The average marriage length in history for those reasons was about a fifth of how long mine has lasted! We have few models for very long marriage.

@bigheadrhino

Жыл бұрын

@@sisiphas maybe there are more examples among royalty? You can’t blame women for being hypergamous because choose wrong and you’re a widow because your husband is a dead man walking and same goes for men wanting women who are young and healthy because choose wrong and you’re a widower because your wife is dead after the first baby if she can have a baby at all.

@PhilJonesIII

Жыл бұрын

And children dying in large numbers.

@tonycatman

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it is mostly to do with the contraceptive pill. 150 years ago, a fertile married woman would be more-or-less permanently pregnant from 16 to 40. By the time their youngest kid has become independent, they would have been approaching death.

@Windrake101

Жыл бұрын

Humans are still adjusting to being able to control fire. God-like technology, Medieval institutions, and Monkey-like brains.

Sex is a powerful force of nature. The repercussions are equally serious. It was never supposed to be a sport, as it is now.

@janityy

Жыл бұрын

Its also none of ure fucking business what anyone does with their body !!!!! If women want to fuck 100 men a day Not ure fucking business Stay in ure lane

@timbow1833

Жыл бұрын

@@freddieoblivion6122 they do, but it has to be with a high value man.

@nocturnaljoe9543

Жыл бұрын

@@timbow1833 Agreed. It's sad how the term hvm alone suggests, that some man have low or no value. We are talking about human beings here, but woman wants a low or middle value man, because they are not "wothy" being with them. Average women want overaverage men and who ever talks about it, will be attacked.

@Macheako

Жыл бұрын

@@freddieoblivion6122 is that what porn did bro? Cuz it didn't do that to me 🤣

@PE93

Жыл бұрын

@@Macheako Its what it has done o many many many many men. There will always be people like yourself that doesnt have a problem with it. But that speaks more about your character i guess?

The saddest part is, after a varying number of casual sex partners, woman will never be able to pairbond as well as with the first ones, the mechanism is broken. Also a big difference in men and women is that men can and will have sex with a girl they hate or are not even considering to date long term, goes without saying that trying to catch a man with sex is a bad strategy.

I love your podcast, I love your insights, I love your guests and I love your style of articulation. Keep it up, Chris!

I really appreciate her retort to the woke-fem complaint about unwanted workplace sexual attention while at the same time claiming sex work is just work. We need to think clearly like this as a culture.

@technoloverish

Жыл бұрын

That's different as workplace sexual attention is unwanted and non-consensual. Sex work is consensual

@wawaweewa9159

Жыл бұрын

@@technoloverish when you hypersexualise society, youre shooting yourself in the foot.

@technoloverish

Жыл бұрын

@@wawaweewa9159 Are you basing that on the bible?

@lucianboar3489

Жыл бұрын

I didn't think that was logical, I mean it goes with the job description (even though some job descriptions leave it vague as to the extra tasks a boss can ask you to do)

@LauraVolpintesta

Жыл бұрын

I think sexual attention on the job versus sexual attention when it IS your job are very different things.

45:00 A man getting his shit together used to be an incentive for sexual access secured in marriage. In this day and age, however, more and more men experience little to no sex after marriage. So it really is a lose-lose for them. In essence, modern marriage is truly the most expensive form of chastity. If a man wants sexual access, he should engage in long-term dating, but never get married. Long-term dating offers significantly more legal shelter from the (rather biased) family court system, as well.

@milesarcher.

Жыл бұрын

Hence the joke that sex after children in marriage follows the ABC rule. You only get it at Anniversaries, your Birthday, and at Christmas.

@zeno2501

Жыл бұрын

Genuinely good point. Wives were once encouraged to make sure their husband's sexual needs were met. Now that's become another thing that's seen as absurd and old fashioned so the husband's desires just go ignored only they're now tied to one lady so can't go elsewhere without risk of being caught and losing everything in a divorce. I've never really understood the woman's perspective here. Is it really so hard to make sure your husband isn't desperate? Wasn't part of the deal to try and meet eachother's needs on eachother's terms? Obviously a man can't expect sex on demand just because he is married, but marriage granted sexual access to men in the past whereas today your sexual access decreases in most cases.

@jasonpauldegraaf

Жыл бұрын

@@zeno2501 I honestly don't believe the majority of women have the capacity to understand the importance of sex to a male. For us, it's a curious mix of appetite, power, desire, and the amazing experience of a woman essentially saying, "You are worthy to partner with me and [possibly] bear my children." In a way that's difficult to put into words, it's an experience of acceptance and worthiness. Also, since sexual desire isn't as strong for most women, they don't see how terrible it is to deny it.

@amandaforrester7636

Жыл бұрын

@@zeno2501 I can explain part of what happens to some women, although I can't say its everyone. Women need build up. Husbands stop DATING their wives. They already "got" her, so when they want some they just paw at her with no warning. Build. Sexual. Tension! Over a day! Don't forget how to FLIRT.

@lesterandsarge

28 күн бұрын

I don't like how he said that things like red pill are coping mechanisms for sexless men, or something like that. There are plenty of men of differing status who rail against the biased courts and who criticize women. These days any problem you have with women automatically means you're an incel. I think it has to do with what she said about women's intuition, that if you can't get a girl, then there must be something wrong with you, or you need to get your act together. I'm no catch myself but I've seen far better men than me get the exact same treatment, so I know the women's intuition thing is BS. There nothing wrong with saying that women can be just as bad as men.

Regarding the points raised around 36:30. I've known people to get really offended at having to clean toilets in small businesses that don't have dedicated cleaning staff. Plenty of people were offended at having to clean up after themselves and plenty of others were even more offended having to clean up after their co-workers who made messes. "This isn't my job" being a common saying at the time. We all accept that janitorial work is work and that it needs to get done. So, it isn't hyperbolic to hold the opinion that sex workers are doing work AND that 'this isn't my job' is a valid stance to hold. If it's unreasonable to expect your coworker to clean your bathroom mess they had no part in and I think it's equally unreasonable to expect them to take care of your *other* biological need they weren't hired for either. Take care of it yourself or hire a dedicated worker. Perhaps sex workers will become a high-class janitors handling the biological tasks people don't see as part of their job description so they can focus on why they're actually there? Either way, it's not correct to call that hypocrisy.

@liviareyna6704

3 ай бұрын

well cleaning a toilet wont give you ptsd

@Trahloc

3 ай бұрын

@@liviareyna6704 Both can cause lifelong trauma if you're assaulted while doing it.

I think the reason why things appear so different now than they did a few decades ago is... Louise Perry wasn't around back then to see how things were. The main difference I see is that we're able to talk about sex more openly now, and people are less likely to lie about it. As Steinbeck pointed out about the 1930's, "Most of the babies of the period were conceived in Model T Fords and not a few were born in them." People had more knowledge about sex and the reproductive cycle back then than they did during the "sexual revolution" - as most Americans lived on farms and depended on it for their livelihood. Now that we're no longer associating sex with the nitty gritty of animal husbandry, we're able to talk about it over dinner.

This is so depressing - I have a 16 and 13 year old and I'm so sad for their future and I have no idea how to steer them through this mess we've created

@charlieweaver6322

Жыл бұрын

Are they girls, boys, or both?

@lottie4321

Жыл бұрын

@@charlieweaver6322 girl 16 and boy 13. I grew up in the eighties so the internet/porn, only fans and dating apps etc...were non existent. I wish things were simple again for the next generation

@charlieweaver6322

Жыл бұрын

@@lottie4321 I'm probably similar age to you, born 1981, but have no kids, only nieces and nephews. Each generation has theirs own challenges, they will no doubt be better adapted than the likes of you an I, but general principles of reality still apply. Best, I think, to try to ask them what they want, non judgementally, and let them come to their own conclusions. The Socratic method is probably best. Good luck 👍

@eddie-ni5ox

Жыл бұрын

For boys its usually an options of two binary ranges, girls mostly always land on their feet and have more than 99 lives in today's world when they had only 1 or 2 a 100 years back. Exactly why most transitions are from boy to girl. Ofcourse this is the case at this moment, things could easily flip in the next breath.

@viviennedunbar3374

Жыл бұрын

I am Catholic and I find there are still lots of healthy families at church and in Catholic schools. For example all my young adult and teen kids have best friends whose parents are still married (we have been married 26 yrd) .I know secular people won't accept it, but a loving community of people who share the same beliefs, values and rituals create a stable society and religion is most successful at reproducing that.

"So focused on a some-what imaginary enemy, that they cant actually interrogate the coherence of their actual views" talking about US-centric feminism is spot on.

Thank you for your truthful insight - serve women well!! 🙏

Very thoughtful, thank you so much for the quality content

Been waiting, waiting, waiting for the discussion to turn to sexless marriage, the weaponization of divorce and it's impact on men turning away from involvement with women. Chris, please interview Bettina Arndt to bring that dynamic into play. Please.

@wingsoffreedom3589

Жыл бұрын

Interview Colttaine

I'm happy to see people discussing issues like this. The conversation is long overdue. I was 4 years old when the first birth control pill was marketed. There was such a stir among adults at that time that even I, a pre-kindergarten toddler, was aware of this historic event, even though my elders were "trying" not to discuss it in my presence. That's how repressive society was in the 50,s and early 60,s. Sexual reassignment surgery was another topic adults could not help but whisper about and be overheard by "the kids". Abortion was the next issue and I was in my tweens when it was in the headlines. People whisper about girls who "took a trip to New York." I grew up witnessing the sexual revolution, feminism, Gay pride, and the upheavals and outcry in their wake. People either embraced or rejected these new things. Herpes and AIDS emerged as plagues that put the brakes on what some called Progress and others labeled as Decadence. Humanity has transitioned from strict moral codes to "If it feels good, do it", to having every conflicting idea in between. We haven't learned how to deal with all these new toys and we haven't figured out how they all mesh into our lives. There's going to be a lot of heartbreak until we figure this out.

@Macheako

Жыл бұрын

That's on these European Immigrants who brought that culture over here. They believed in not speaking up ..... they only came here for the money 🤣

@fbarnea

Жыл бұрын

@@Macheako lol what? What European migrants? Where do you live?

@JRobbySh

Жыл бұрын

Plus we fail to see how much corporations have exploited women by giving them a faustian bargain, of marrying their career while underpaying them, for the most part.

@etoineschrdlu9382

Жыл бұрын

@@JRobbySh And they did it the same way Tom Sawyer convinced the other kids to whitewash the fence for him.

@Macheako

Жыл бұрын

@@fbarnea bro I'm American AF, don't stop half my family being immigrants tho. My grandads line came over on the Mayflower tho 🥰

Brave and mind blowing! You give us hope.

Truly thoughtful and far seeing conversation.

Don't be with someone you want to sleep with. Be with someone you want to wake up to.

@Dylan-ko2gj

Жыл бұрын

Excellent advice!

@KAIZENTECHNOLOGIES

Жыл бұрын

*Yep. And never sleep with someone you wouldn't have a child with*

@Macheako

Жыл бұрын

I hate mornings....

@TheOlzee

Жыл бұрын

I don’t want to wake up

@TheBayzent

Жыл бұрын

I don't want to wake up to anybody. I want the bed to myself.

Interesting that she points out how young girls are being taught to suppress their instincts for the sake of casual sex. I wonder if the same principle can be applied to motherhood. Motherhood and postpartum is so often talked about as some kind of prison. I'm sure it can feel that way and maybe it is for some, but it also can be something beautiful and fulfilling.

@Pedant_Patrol

Жыл бұрын

Of course the same principle can be applied. The world is mad and full of lies.

@OUpsychChick

Жыл бұрын

I think there are several problems here: one the hyper medicalization of pregnancy and childbirth. With most hospital facilities having a north or 30% surgical birth rate, it seems reasonable to have fears around the experience. The second is an elevation of self above all else, and the idea that fulfillment can be found in career. Lastly, there is a culture that seems almost childlike in mindset, well into adulthood.

@moecrazy

Жыл бұрын

@@OUpsychChick yes! That childlike mindset among adults you mention is something I’ve been noticing a lot lately. I used to be a school teacher and I feel like I am hearing so many grown folk struggling with the same adolescent issues that were common among my students.

@Yarblocosifilitico

Жыл бұрын

@@OUpsychChick "the idea that fulfillment can be found in career". Spot on. Sometimes I wonder how is feminism not just a scam of wild capitalism...

@zj871023

Жыл бұрын

@@Yarblocosifilitico well it basically is

Very insightful episode.

Thanks. Great content!

Her characterization of the #MeToo clamor as blame-displacement secondary to imbibing the lie of casual sex was bang on! 👏🏼

This has to be one of the most valuable podcasts in existence for young people in relationships. You made an absolute gem out of this one. Thank you.

@esterhudson5104

Жыл бұрын

Super one. Def one his best.👍

@penelopequinn1604

Жыл бұрын

I agree Kevin.

I loved this interview. I'm left inclined, socialist from a big feminist family. She synthesized what i was somehow intuiting. She is very intteligent with a really nuanced and complex review of the topic. Really lovely here intelligence.

Excellent convo - loved it!

This woman gets it. I was starting to think that it was impossible for a woman to understand the male perspective but I'm now filled with hope. Thank you for putting this video into existence.

@elchucapablas

Жыл бұрын

Another woman that gets it is the Chanel pearly things on KZread. She also get it

@vettie

Жыл бұрын

@@elchucapablas thx man!

@toddjohnson271

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps.....women many times say what you want to hear but actions do not change.

@vettie

Жыл бұрын

@@toddjohnson271 who hurt you, buddy?

@toddjohnson271

Жыл бұрын

@@vettie thee most common rebuttal. Paint the messenger a jilted, irrational person. Any real comments?

A fascinating conversation to listen to because I’m 65 and was there to watch the attitude shift I real time but still connected enough to the past to not think saying yes to every sexual proposition was a good idea.

07:41 I absolutely disagree that men can have consequence free sex. There are MANY consequences that can arise... STDs, pregnancy (maybe some guys can get away with it, but most women will come after you hard if you try to bail.... not that bailing on a kid is a good thing, it's not.), accusations of rape.... I could go on but yeah, that's a VERY disingenuous and misleading statement

Thank you ! Brilliant! 😊

What are they trying to achieve? What rights don't they have. I don't think the average guy benefitted from the sexual revolution much. I think the phrase "Quiet desperation" sums up my experience being in my late teens and early 20's.

@Dylan-ko2gj

Жыл бұрын

The average guy didn't benefit at all. I do feel for women in the past that felt they had to settle for someone they didn't really want though. Human nature is that women are a lot more picky than men, which makes sense, they effectively select the best genes to reproduce

@tetraquark2402

Жыл бұрын

@Genevieve Pilz Agreed. But your comment shows Women's total lack of empathy towards Men.

@nickst0ne

Жыл бұрын

The average guy has been railroaded by the sexual revolution. But there's hope, if you're committed to not being average. You're still pretty young and you're still in a period of your life where making adjustments will yield amazing benefits for decades. I'm in my 40s and autistic, yet learning about "game" and dedicating myself to self-improvement in several areas has transformed my life. If you do the same in your 20s, your gains can outshine mine by a lot. Here's the advice I'd give my younger self if I had a chance to start over : - Learn game. But don't just learn. It's about practice. Don't wait to have feelings for a girl before you walk up to her and say "hey! I saw you passing by and I didn't want to miss the chance to come talk to you. I"m Nick". I used to think this would be impolite, disrespectful, etc. But no. Do it once. Do it 20 times. Do it 100 times. Learn to adjust. Learn to voice your differences of opinions (respectfully) because no girl wants a lapdog. Etc. And also, it will sound like beating a dead horse, or it will sound like an oversimplification of male attractiveness... but bear with me! Go to the gym and lift weight. Pay a coach! I know students are broke. But do what you can to be coached. Because you shall hurt yourself. And it sucks. And fucking up your shoulder can interfere with so many other lifts. As does hurting your forearm. So minimize your risks of getting hurt and maximize your gains! Give it only 1 year if you're skeptical, but do it seriously, conscienciously. This will transform your body in ways that truly impact how girls look at you. ...well, basically they start noticing that you exist, and when you talk to them, they'll have more positive reactions. I know how it sounds, but it's my experience. And my best advice to any young man.

@earth2emma

Жыл бұрын

The ultimate goal is for women to become men, minus the accountability. I think the only men that benefitted from the sexual revolution were the rich and powerful with their weird proclivities. Think John money and Alfred Kinsey-they were degenerates that wanted their perversions to be accepted as natural and they succeeded. But in terms of the average man this has been a disaster. I don’t recall where I heard this but a recent poll showed that 40% of American men did not want to get married and it’s no wonder. The scales are absolutely out of the average man’s favor.

@Teal_Seal

Жыл бұрын

@@nickst0ne Woman here - great advice!! 👍 Those actions convey confidence and discipline. Very attractive indeed.

Fantastic interview and guest. I've only just discovered Louise Perry. The world needs more of her.

@kaivogel253

Жыл бұрын

the world needs more of her victim blaming bullshit to end.

@bushwacka5187

Жыл бұрын

@@kaivogel253 Nah, we all need less of your incapacity to grapple with complexity and nuance. And your juvenile fits, we definitely need less of that too. Your toxicity too, we need less of that. In fact, the world would be a much better place if you weren't here. But you are, what can we do.....

@owningdishonestshills7435

Жыл бұрын

Interview was garbage.

@lewislee9201

Жыл бұрын

I've heard her on another podcast blaming our present day woes on high status, attractive "Hugh Hefners", her words, for "consuming women", seemingly oblivious to the fact that if these women were not willing, they could not be "consumed". She may espouse some conservative-sounding views, but Louise Perry is still a men-are-to-blame-for everything feminist at heart. Zero accountability for women.

@kaivogel253

Жыл бұрын

@@lewislee9201 absolutely braindead take. Look at sexual crime statistics you complete troglodyte. It's still the women doing the dying.

Brilliant and enjoyable thank you guys

Phenomenal discussion. Gonna cost me in a fortune in new books. 👏👏

*Chris Williamson,* *Coleman Hughes* and *Lex Fridman* are my favourite interview podcasters. Never a dull moment.

@Teal_Seal

Жыл бұрын

Triggernometry is great too

@keyboarddancers7751

Жыл бұрын

@@Teal_Seal Indeed.

@brennancarter7721

Жыл бұрын

Great podcasters.

@_ZUNG_

Жыл бұрын

Real talk with Zuby is decent too

@keyboarddancers7751

Жыл бұрын

My list is obviously too short!😎

I think for many men, porn is a correlation, not causation for lack of significant relationships. The dismal dating scene and with all WOmen desiring the top 10%, leaves the other 90% of men alone and satisfying needs as users of the porn knuckle shuffle.

@Macheako

Жыл бұрын

Bro . ...they will NEVER stop blaming porn 🤣🤣

@Paul_White

Жыл бұрын

“The porn knuckle shuffle” 🤣 never heard that one!

@kamrudkd

Жыл бұрын

The "blackpill model" is perhaps the way the sexual market place works and the dating/mating space we see.... However what ppl fail to realise is that if u are left to the MARKET ITSELF and the WIDER WORLD.....then you will mostly find yourself competing with just your SMV and no social proof, the results of with can be BTUTAL.....lol But if one has access to a social circle.....then what SOCIAL CIRCLES are.....are mini closed off worlds...... With a set number of individuals inside it. And as it is a tribe like setting with a DISTINCT human/social fabric......it is more "MERCIFUL" to the participants within its Safety net.... The social circle humanises the members and makes ppl mean MORE to each other then just raw SMV... That is perhaps how offy dooffy operates. And as women are naturally emotional thinkers can attach themselves to guys that have the time and platform to prove thier other interpersonal/emotional skills......this is what the social circle provides. It works to HUMANISE its participants. Where as the modern world/dating market works to DEHUMANISE its participants. Ppl will argue AGAINST the social circle maxing... BECAUSE so many ppl don't have a social circle anymore or have never had. Peace x

@stonemarten1400

Жыл бұрын

When there are highly realistic sex robots in the future, the feminists will push strongly for a ban, knowing that many men would be largely satisfied, with far less incentive to shuffle their resources into the pockets of women.

@OutOfTheBoxThinker

Жыл бұрын

Obviously... A healthy man doesn't need any porn when he's in a stable relationship. But when men are completely invisible to women, they inevitably become either simps, incels or MGTOWs... and porn remains the only access to female nudity they have...

Very fascinating to listen to! Now I want to read the book, naturally (so job well done). Social topics have never been my forte (or interest), so this is new territory in my way of viewing life and myself

What many people in this nation seem to lack is a moral compass. The very act of doing write and wrong dont register with them. Even women, as sensitive as they are dont seem to understand that what we do to others, we do to ourselves. Consider the topic of infidellity. The one who cheats, wheather theyre make or female, does not understand that eventually they will be cheated on themselves. They do not recognise that their mate in life is actually themselves. They do not recognise that what they do to him/her comes back to them from others. It really comes down to: Am I happy with my mate? And if Im not happy with my mate, am I justified in cheating on that mate? This is where so many people get it wrong. Of course the answer is no. Or at leastit is for those who havent given up completely and thrown their morality out the door. I hear so many women say, "I can fix him." But they do not consider that they may be needing to fix themselves. I hear so many men say, "she drove me away with her constant nagging and b*tching." When they never consider what they are doing that made her that way in the first place. Few scientist will admit that there is a God, yet they will say to themselves "Oh, God" when they look at the daunting task of dealing with Climate change. Many inventors will not accept the fact that what they are inventing may not be good for humanity. Look at Albert Einstein. He gave humanity the equivalent of a stick. (That stick yielding nuclear fission). Did he consider how humanity would use it? Not really. He even went so far to say that he wished he hadnt after the United States bombed Japan in the 2nd world war. What we all should recognise is that people make bad decisions every day. And we as a society should really take more time deciding wheather the things we are doing is going to hurt, or help others. Oh. And the mention of a term "a stick" is this. You can use a stick to help someone out of an unreachable place. You can use that stick as a crutch if you have a hurt leg. But you can also use that same stick to assalt someone. Or you can use it to trip someone. Its not the sticks fault as to what you do with it. Its just a stick. It is the responsibility of the holder of that stick. Sex can be used in that way. If you use it wisely, it can be a good attribute to a marraige. But if you misuse sex to get what you want, it can destroy the faith that has been put in you. It might get get you that job promotion you have been seeking so hard, but when it comes to be known, your fellow workers will consider you as a cheater and cut ties to you. My point is this. A good moral compass is required for the use of sex. Without it, trust does not exist. If the United States needs that moral compass, where can we find it. Religion has its purpose in our society, yet many people dismiss the notion of religion as a myth that someone has thought up to control the masses of people. In so doing, they throw away the moral compass of their nation. The result we see in our society today is a result of throwing away that moral compass. I could go on, but ive made my point and ive almost written a book already. Hae a good day.

Chris, I've been following the 'Intellectual Darkweb' for years now, and you are absolutely 100% up there with Peterson, Vervaeke etc. in regard to how interesting the topics you are discussing are. For a Love Island lad from my part of England, the transformation you have undergone is also really inspiring. Any time a notification for a video notification for a new video pops up, you're always first on the list. Keep up the good work man, this was such an amazing conversation. Louise Perry is a gem too; such intellect and reflection upon her own paradigm of feminism.

"You're not allowed to talk about any sort of feelings of disgust you might have..." And that's the issue. Liberalism and all of it's many flavors tells you to ignore all of your disgust impulses and responses to tolerate whatever is on the agenda to be tolerated, to the detriment of your own well-being and even that of society. We all need to get back in touch with that disgust response a little more, I think and stop repressing it.

I've had lots of casual sex and had a great time in my 20s. But then I entered a monogamous relationship which is going strong after seven years. I then realized that casual sex is totally overrated. My partner, a man, was never into casual sex. He can't have sex with someone he doesn't love. I have come to realize that in fighting slut shaming and the sexual double standard (he's a stud, she's a slut), I was emulating the worst type of men. Not all men are like that. Promiscuity is for hopeless losers, regardless of sex.