I think Olivia Octavius is at worst a neutral evil character since she tends to act more out of curiosity rather than sadism.

@velinion1

10 ай бұрын

Using the D&D system, I'd probably put her under Lawful Evil. She shows she has no issues hurting or killing people to get what she wants, but she's not out there killing or torturing at random. You can write off some as "following orders" but, as she says, it's _her_ collider, she knows it could destroy the city or more, and she really wants to see it run.

@edoardoprevelato6577

10 ай бұрын

Immoral and ethicless research, moreso if just out of mere curiosity, is considered Chaotic Evil, since you disregard very clear rules both moral and legal.

@davidjackson6475

10 ай бұрын

@@edoardoprevelato6577 fair point.

@edoardoprevelato6577

10 ай бұрын

@@davidjackson6475 the neutral spectrum of the classic alignments is often showed as disintrest, or boredom, if dealing with a sentient being, but mostly it's typical of animals and other nonsentient or semisentient creatures. Eg. Cats are neutral evil.

@dgmilloway

8 ай бұрын

Olivia telling Peter B, "I for one can't wait to watch" hints to me that there is a little more than morally neutral curiosity at play here. She wants to see Spider-Man suffer. There is so much implied back story here. Add in the fact that Aunt May calls her Liv, a name that only her friends use, and it suggests a personal story of tragic consequence involving Ock and the Parkers sometime before the events of ITSV.

Your Olivia cosplay is on point.❤

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

appreciate < 3

@Sociotard

10 ай бұрын

two costumes, no less!

@sylokthedefiled

9 ай бұрын

@@GeorgiaDowbest live action candidate imo

Something interesting that was pointed out to me is “If you stay in this dimension too long, your body is going to disintegrate. Do you know how painful that would be Peter Parker?” Which shows she knows the repercussions of bringing someone who doesn’t belong in this dimension and yet she’s willing to bring Kingpins wife and child (as many as he wants) so he can watch them disintegrate. That’s pretty evil.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

that is a really good point

@interloc1290

10 ай бұрын

I got the impression that “glitching” and eventually entirely disintegrating when dimension hoping, was new information revealed to her through her quick observation of Peter B. Looking at his saliva under a microscope etc. It is implied her deal with Kingpin has been in the works for a while so she probably did not intentionally plan to put kingpin through that, and rather then reveal the information to kingpin and abort the mission all together and risk getting tossed away once she stopped being useful (see what happened to prowler for example). She just with held the information and was sort of stalling for a solution. I think it’s actually great characterization for both villains Kingpin is shown to be ruthless but pragmatic and doesn’t Maintain useless people(assets) as they become liabilities. Another subtle way this is revealed is during his intro just before he kills blonde Spider-Man. He is perfectly happy to have prowler finish him off but hesitates the moment Blonde Spider-Man reveals to kingpin he had information about what’s in the collider portal. The information makes blonde Spider man still useful so Kingpin extracts ALL of the value before finishing him off. Liv is intelligent and aware enough to realize this and carefully curates which information she reveals to him and when. Even over emphasizing that kingpin will “get what he wants” from “our” collider, reaffirming her value to him.

@chorliteshatter

10 ай бұрын

@@interloc1290 Too add on what you said it could also be seen as a sense of revenge, she did warn him multiple times that it wasn't ready, but he wanted the deadline to be sooner, to get the collider working faster so he could get his family back. It's a way to fight back against his authority without actually doing anything different. He wasn't going to listen, and of course, it would be his fault.

@rhysbailey6827

10 ай бұрын

To be fair, she's fulfilling Kingpin's request. What happens after will just be consequences, and since she warned him about the repercussions of just opening those rifts, I'd assume she would've told Kingping about the glitching

@aff77141

10 ай бұрын

As we can see by what he's willing to do to the city, I don't think he would have cared once he can just get new replicas whenever necessary

I just realized Georgie has the same energy as Olivia Octavius, minus the simmering enthusiasm for violence. It goes beyond just the clothes. xD

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

ha = )

NOTE: The Milgram Experiments were SIMULATED electric Shocks. No one was actually electrocuted in the experiments. Apologies for not clarifying in the video.

@Gabriel-uy4eh

10 ай бұрын

Yeah guys, calm down; nothing horrible has ever happened in Psychological experiment. We are all professionals here.

@badsamaritan8223

10 ай бұрын

@@Gabriel-uy4eh Yeah, we've definitely never committed human rights abuses in the name of science. Lol.

@f.a.santiago1053

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for the clarification! 😬

As a female scientist the "...my collider. Our collider" bit is so accurate to the reality of being in research, especially if you're a woman in STEM 😅

Fun Fact there was a storyline in the 60s where Doc Ock gets involved with and almost marries Aunt May. Gives May's line some interesting context.

@jasenjacobs1365

10 ай бұрын

I hadn't considered Sapphic ex as a possibility! I love it.

@ragg232

10 ай бұрын

A slight suspicion becomes stronger.

Something interesting you missed is that once Olivia knew Fisk's family would literally melt she didn't use that information to try and bargain for that extra time she'd asked for, she didn't even use it to explain that their new Spider-Men problem would solve itself, instead she kept it to herself and told him what he wanted to hear; paired with the way she sneered and shook her head at Tombstone when he pulled the gun, she wasn't just not scared, she was /insulted/ that he would try that. Together it makes that conversation take on such a spiteful air, "You think you're the one in control here? You don't wanna give me what I need? Okay. Lets see how you like what that gets you."

That ending scene is a play on a trope. They show their teamwork and hit her with so much of it that it would knock out any normal enemy easily. And she wipes the blood off her face. It sets up the super climatic battle that is coming… which is then hit by a semi. Flips the trope on its head for comedic value and shows that she is her own worst enemy. She caused the chaos around her and didn’t pay attention to those surroundings. So intent on her prize that she didn’t see the damage it was causing and got taken out by said damage. Also, in the main marvel universe Doc Ock marries aunt May at one point, so them being a thing…. Yea.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

= ))

How do you always have the perfect outfit for every character in every scene? You look amazing in both, by the way. This version of Doc Oc is by far my favorite. There's so many complexities about her, and she bounces off Peter so well.

@StarHorder

10 ай бұрын

i wouldn't say, perfect. her glasses have hexagons and not octagons.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much and ack octo missed that = ))

That costume change was brilliant and the Liv scarf was beautiful. I think Liv was the scientist with good intentions but her Doc. Ock persona was by any means necessary. I think her villain persona came out when King Pin called it his collider. (and maybe all the spider people) She is going to be okay a little collision with a bus never hurt anyone.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

happy you enjoyed it

@BeeWhistler

10 ай бұрын

It was a semi…

@ModernAegis

3 ай бұрын

Deleted scene confirms she's alive, and hardly even scratched up by it.

“Oh great, it’s Liv”

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

thanks = )

I think the "Oh great, it's Liv" bit hinting at some sort of previous relationship could even be a callback to how in the comics, there's a history of Doctor Octopus finding ways to be in a relationship with Aunt May, although often with some sort of deception involved.

Honestly, Doc Oct, in any form is best when they are morally dark grey. A spectrum for heroes I often see is "Hero, Anti-Hero, Rogue, Villain" and Doc Oct should be firmly in that Rogue area. WIlling to do a lot for what they want to do, but not straight up destructively so. Actually can be reasoned with if there is any real dangers but usually out for #1. One of my favorite story lines is when Doc Oct took over Peter's body, he was actually a "better" Spiderman and "Better" Peter than Peter was. The problem was, Octavious lacks Peter's Empathy. He moved from Rogue to Anti-hero. While Peter was always a Hero. Oct was doing the "right" thing but it lacked the caring for others, especially for the criminals he was busting. Where Peter, when written well, and I'd argue anyone who is a proper Spiderman, cares deeply about everyone they deal with. Especially the wrong-doers.

@jeromdupont7972

10 ай бұрын

naaaaah in the first run he was a terrible Spidey / Peter The whole "superior" spider-man thing lasted for 3 months max lol

@flamesofchaos13

10 ай бұрын

That spectrum is missing Dark Hero and Anti-Villain and Misguided Vigilante.

@wynnefox

10 ай бұрын

@@jeromdupont7972 I mean, we all like what we like. Eh?

@wynnefox

10 ай бұрын

@@flamesofchaos13 true. I admittedly was simplifying it

I'm pretty sure others have answered your question. But yes, and another comic universe when Dr. Oc /liv is male, He actually marries her. These 2 are considered to be good/ close friends from back in the college days in this universe.

One of the best most interesting and nuanced villains. I could watch a movie about her easily.

aah I'm so glad you did one of these on Olivia Octavius! I also view her as someone who was goal driven and needed the resources to reach that goal regardless the cost (but not evil). One of the things she rambles about in the film is how people thought her theories were crazy, so she had/has something to prove. She loves her work and the excitement of seeing all her hard work come into fruition takes her beyond rationality or conscience. My theory with Aunty May and her is that she was either a classmate or even student/ apprentice of Aunt May, but once May realized that Liv was willing to go beyond what is ethical in order to achieve her goals, they parted ways. Sort of an "I cannot condone your actions and want no part of it." .. but honestly shes one of my favorite characters and I hope it isn't the last we have seen of her.

Doc Ocks often have just the drive to make their projects come to tuition and the way to achieve them is what makes the morally grey.. Her apparent apathy towards Peter B's disintegration's probably a result of her previous encounters with her universe's SpiderMan, if someone kept destroy my life's works while cracking jokes and beating me i'd be mad too.

TRUCK-KUN! But in all seriousness, a truck blindsiding someone in a show about being pushed into parallel universes. MIGHT just be an Isekai reference.

The unexpected costume change was a hoot. Is the doc *more* polite while under stress? During/between violence, impending violence. Roleplaying games tend to differentiate between charisma and manipulation; Liv's scientific mindset tends toward the latter. At least one Otto Octavius has married Aunt May, as I recall? I like to think Liv will come back after her own tour through the multiverse, if she hasn't in the new movie.

I completely agree with your explanation of people committing terrible actions so they can achieve their greater ambitions. Reminds me of Otto Octavius from Spider-Man 2. Otto's dream was to give the world clean energy "Like a perpetual sun providing renewable power for the whole world." After the accident, he continued to pursue his dreams even when it meant harming anyone to achieve it. That's why Aunt May's quote is so powerful. "Sometimes, to do what's right, we have to be steady, and give up the things we want the most. Even our dreams."

11:49 YES, someone else notices! I mean, quite a few people have, at this point. But I still remember when this movie first came out, and being so surprised that there weren’t more people talking about the implications of this line.

there is a deleted scene of liv seeing the a portal to the multiverse open and she jumps in.

Hello, first of all, as a psychology student, I really enjoy your videos. Sometimes, I prefer watching your character analysis videos over watching a movie or series because I find them incredibly enjoyable. I also believe that they have taught me a lot, and I really like how you put effort into dressing up as the characters you analyze. It looks like you put a lot of work into it. For instance, the transformation from Doctor Olivia to Doc Ock was a fantastic detail to pay attention to.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

I wish you the best in your studies and thanks it means so much to me as thats what I hope for int he channel

@Gabriel-uy4eh

10 ай бұрын

Hi!, As a Psychology professional, repackaging educational content in a format that is generationally relevant is greatly effective in transmitting information. @GeorgiaDow It's doing a great service to several generations that will grow up consuming this "comic book" media that has exploded recently. Later in life, they will have a library of knowledge formated in a way that will be familiar to them and will help them understand very complex subjects. And I hope this will inspire a lot of future professionals of all fields to follow her example and create their own Libraries of specialized knowledge, carefully crafted the most modern way possible, so we can continue our tradition of passing down our collective learning.

The funny thing is that I'm no delusional enough to think I couldn't be similarly immoral. Seriously, I can totally see why someone would become like Liv. Someone with drive, curiosity, and ambition has to be careful those traits don't overtake their personality.

@flamesofchaos13

10 ай бұрын

For me the delusional part is if someone fundamentally believes they couldn't ever falter. Human Nature is very clear on the matter that yes we most certainly can. Even the best of the best can fail and falter and lose themselves to themselves.

@Mediados

10 ай бұрын

@@flamesofchaos13 Ironically I think the people who think they could never do something like this are the most prone to manipulation.

I hope she comes back in future installments, she was such a fun character 💚

Oddly enough this version of Doc Oc is getting her own Manga Series. Apparently when the exploded she got sent to another universe. Surprised that its going to be a manga not a comic.

I don't know if you take recommendations for what to react to, but there's a show called Fruits Basket where every major character is dealing with different types of family related trauma that began in their youths, and I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on it. It certainly would give you a lot to talk about

I love how when she’s in her Doc Ock alter ego she ties her hair back into a huge bun shaped like the mantle of an Octopus

I'm falling for your videos. Would you consider analyzing Bowser' simping in the Mario movie?

her motive is as follows: FOR SCIENCE!

11:51 This version of May clearly knows her way around machines, so they were work colleagues in the past, probably?

03:41 I can sorta understand learning as a scientist, but that doesn't explain why she's touchy in some suggestive ways. And don't even get me started on her wardrobe change.

Where did you find those glasses? Edit: the funniest thing about the scene in the Alchemax lunch room is the lady who's like "ah, FML" while everybody else is pulling their guns out.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

i made them = )

Speaking of company culture, I noticed the cafeteria lights match Doc Ock’s glasses

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

nice I didnt notice that

Wasn't expecting you to cover her, it's a very pleasant surprise🥰

Hi Georgia! Your cosplay is soooo cool! I heard about the Milgram experiment. I like how you connected it to Olivia Octavius' character. I didn't think about how related it is to her, but it's a great explanation. I had similar takeaways when I had learned about the Milgram experiment - that people are capable of so much (both good and bad), especially if there is an authority figure and social pressure - as well as stigma over disobedience. Great point about exposure. That is very true. So cool how your cosplay changed with the scenes. :) Excellent points about conformity. The pressure to conform is very powerful and you're right that those who do not conform are ostracized. I've struggled to fit in before and, thinking back on that, I think it relates to the pressure to conform (which also reminds me of your video about self esteem and I guess worries about not being 'good enough' can tie into worries of not conforming). I know I'm going off track, but your points got me thinking a lot and reminded me of your other videos (which are also great :)) Lol I agree the bagel scene is a good example of company culture. It's one of my favorite scenes. I don't know if Aunt May and Doc Ock had a friendship before either. Great question. Excellent point about the greater good and the pursuit of something that is very important to us, regardless of the cost. You bring up excellent points about ethics and how there are many shades of gray. Many people both in fiction (like Olivia Octavius and, a different Marvel character,, Matt Murdock) and reality (like J. Robert Oppenheimer) (I like how you included his picture and name in the video) are complex. Lol I agree that Liv being hit the bus wasn't the best. Love the film, but yeah, her fate could've been done better. Good video!

12:02 it would make sense in this universe for May to know Liv on a personal level. Pete normally ends up working for Octavius out of college.

Thanks for sending. I appreciate your thoughts. Blessings on your day!

Such a great and fun cosplay there. Especially the hair and headband.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!!

I love how you changed outfits. Your cosplays are always amazing.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

Love the effort put into these videos. Do you edit your own videos or do you hire an editor? It seems like a lot of work to script, get the clips, edit it all together and then do a cosplay to top it all off!

Your videos are always fascinating and enlightening ❤

Olivia basically got isekai'd into another dimension.

You make such insightful and unexpected content.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

appreciate you

There was a deleted scene for ITSV, when Miles successfully defeats Kingpin and the collider is in the process of disabling, Ock pushes the truck off her, sees the collider closing, whispers “The power of the universe in the palm of my hand,” and jumps into it. Idk if they deleted that scene because they figured it was better for her to just straight up die, but if that wasn’t the reason, maybe we could see her again!

@amos_fr6070

9 ай бұрын

I feel like they probably had The Spot in mind already at the end of the first film and maybe thought it would be strange if she didn't reappear in Across the Spiderverse and they had already written much with the whole canon events ideas. So in the end they decided to just not place any hints at her surviving. But considering that in the deleted scene she does get the truck off her? I like to think it's actually what happened but just off screen. Yeaaah call it copium but I just love way too much Olivia's design and personality to just accept her dying off in such a way

Haaa your outfit change left me speechless it was si unexpected ! Very good video!

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!!

Georgia freaking nailed that cosplay. LOVE Octavia character dive

12:23 I was just talking about this with a friend recently! I can’t believe I forgot- even when I rewatched the movie before seeing spider-verse 2! I hope she’s okay… Regina in mean girls was okay. 😭 so maybe she will be too,,

That part about the shock therapy got me thinking. At least 60% of my instructors through High School would definitely be willing to hook up a car battery to me if it increased my performance. Even the coaches. All of the coaches

We all have a capacity for good and evil the true strength comes from our ability to resist the temptations of darkness

I really enjoy your vidoes. I hope one day you watch Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. Not only because I think you'd enjoy it given the work you review but because I really would love to see you do a video on any of the FMA characterrs. I suspect you'd enjoy the villians as much as the heroes. Though I would be intrigued at your psychological evaluation of Roy Mustang. Great vid.

LOL! I love how you switched costumes halfway through when Liv suits up as Doc Ock! Great work, by the way. 🙂

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! 😄

Amazing video. My only point is that during the experiment, they tried doing a control experiment with only authority figures, and many people not only protested but refused to do the experiment. It was only after they said in the experiments how it was helping advance knowledge that they administratored the lethal shocks. Onlt when they thought they were doing things for the common good. Love your videos so much they helped me become a way less angry person and focus on patience. I practice everyday and it helped me quite a lot. Thank you.

That was a good take.

Oh wow Georgia, that cosplay looks good on you🥰

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

thanks

Love the video! Have you considered "Yellowjackets"?

Years ago Discovery Channel had a special called "How Evil are you?" which was hosted by horror movie director Eli Roth where he explained the Milgram Expirment

Doc Ock reminds me of Entrapta

In the og universe the original male doc ock fell in love with aunt may after his original plan was to try and scam her out an energy plant but his feelings for her became true after awhile. ock is kinda of a lonely guy. So it plausible that in this universe that liv and may were either friends or romantic partners just like in the og universe.

Being in the military currently I would love to see these violent shorting games we supposedly have.

I love watching your perspectives and insights on various characters! No rush, but when you run out of current content, would you want to tackle Game of Thrones? No pressure, if you'd prefer other fandoms. I just like watching your stuff.

That’s has to be the best Olivia cosplay I have seen You did a really good job on it :3

@GeorgiaDow

9 ай бұрын

thanks so much = )

I'm gonna say it if it hasn't been, there is a storyline with a male Doc Ock trying to marry Aunt May, so maybe they were saying that Aunt May is Bi & had a relationship with Liv after Uncle Ben died.

Yes yes and yes you look beautiful and amazing in this Liv/Doc Ock cosplay perfect analysis as always by the way !

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

Thank you kindly!

@damianstarks3338

10 ай бұрын

@@GeorgiaDow don’t mention it !

How insightful of Liv to talk about her own phycological processes. Wait..... That's GEORGIA?? HOLY MOLY!!

This is one of your best cosplays. 👍

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you!

it reminds me of Reagan Ridley and her [out of control] dad form Inside Job. :)

I despise the words "Good" and "Evil" applied to people. No one is, by default, more capable of doing good things, and someone else is more capable of doing bad things. Each of us are capable of making independent choices at our expense, or at the expense of another. Thinking of people as good or bad can very quickly lead to a narcissistic assumption that you Are "good", or a self destructive pattern of belief that you Are "evil". Both forms of thought displace responsibility for one's actions Away from yourself because you are "Good" and therefore you are justified, or "Bad" and therefore you have no choice.

Oh, I don’t know if you have Hulu but I think the 2019 Fruits Basket series would be some interesting material. There’s stuff on how to deal with trauma. I’m kind of curious how different exaggerated personality types based on horoscopes may be dealt with during sessions. Thought it might be interesting so I’d mention it!

I wonder where she is now after Truck Kun isekaied her?

@BalthusHomewood

10 ай бұрын

Ha, that truck could have literally knocked her into another world!

Wow, you totally rock that look. Oddly, mad scientist suits you as a style 😆 Heard about that electrocution experiment when I did psychology and was instantly curious as to whether or not I'd have done the same. I have always been very antagonistic toward authority but I wonder if I would actually defy authority enough to refuse.

If you haven’t done it yet, I’d love to see you do an analysis on the characters within the show Yellowjackets and the tribalism mentality within that show.

THE HAIR! THE GLASSES... So on point.. .

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

thank you much = )

Im new here but i love how she dresses up as the character shes talking about 6:25 just saw she changes her outfit when the character does aswell lol

seemless costume change nice!

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

Yay happy you liked it

You know georgia, I'm waiting for the analysis of the characters of guardians of the Galaxy 3, Rocket, the high evolutionary and quill

I don't think you can believe in good without also believing in evil. I think for most people it develops over a course of gradually increasing morale compromises (like it probably did with this version of doc oc); but it's still a conscious choice between what we know to be right and what we know to be wrong.

I think a lot of people missed some of her more subtle evil, like knowing that outsiders glitch and painfully disintegrate, but still tells Kingpin that it works

@leewitten4758

7 ай бұрын

"...Then the collider will bring your family back. As many families that you want"

Georgia Looks Awesome In COSPLAY.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

why thank you

TWO COSPLAYS in one video! IT's not even my birthday, Georgia! And you are laboring under a misconception, Georgia: Having manners in a supposedly stressful situation is NOT being "classy". It is a power flex. = ) It is to make their opponent feel insignificant and feeble as they are seemingly unable to cause alarm or concern. The experiment you speak of reveals MINIONS of evil. Not masters of evil. They would not conceive of or orchestrate such acts themselves. And you are wrong, Georgia: There IS indeed evil. Whether you like it or not or believe it or or not. I have fought both subtle and overt evil. I happily square off against "authority" figures promoting evil. Too often I am the only one. BUT causing evil-minded people to not only feel insecure, but to also fail, is an unmitigated joy MORE people should experience! = )

In the comics, Doc Ock tried to marry aunt May, Personally I think Liv and Aunt May were in a romantic relationship

I do want to say, there is a deleted scene , showing that while she survived the truck running her over, she jumps into the collider and it implodes. Whether that killed her, or took her to another dimension, who can say?

Yeah! Peter Porker, the Spectacular Spider-Ham! Got the Oct...

Liked the video. Question: Didn't Milgram's experiment have some methodology issues? Such as the process he used to find the volunteers or was that the Stanford experiment?

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

yes it was very non ethical in many ways but the methodology as to it being representative and reproduced to similar results

@lostwanderer6649

10 ай бұрын

@@GeorgiaDow Thank you for the clarification! 🙏🙂

Honestly didn't expect an outfit change

12:41 soooo she got hit by truck kun… she’s about to be isekai somewhere… so yeah she’ll be back

The fact that Fisk (Kingpin) most likely had his research staff trained to use weapons on intruders is both impressive and frightening.

I love the cosplay part of your videos

I loved this episode 🎉

She's amoral. Morals have no part in it too her just the science. Her objections weren't moral from the discussion with Fiske they were safety concerns.

With respect, more recent findings suggest the Millgram experiment was less about merely abiding authority, and more about being willing to do terrible things _if_ they can be convinced that it's for the greater good. Still a wonderful vid anyway, as usual. :)

Yes.

In case no one mentioned this elsewhere, in the 70s Aunt May and Doc Ock were on the road to getting married. I'm not sure that's what is going on with Liv here, but they might already know each other.

11:51 There’s a fan theory that Aunt May and Liv had a romantic relationship, this is something that happened in the comics with the male Doc Ock. If that’s the case the most likely thing is that they broke it off due to their relationship with Peter Parker.

Liv got taken out by the greatest villain of all. Truck-kun.

That's funny Aunt may called her Liv, when only her friends call her that 😂 11:57 edit glad you added that!

Leveling up the Cosplay game.

@GeorgiaDow

10 ай бұрын

why thank you

I really like olivia octavius and I hate that she kinda just dies at the end of the movie. Like we're shown kingpin and tombstone getting put in police cars and she's just not there. She was my favorite of the villian characters and I hate that she is the only one that appears to die

Fabulous wardrobe change jsjsjsjs