The Dark Origins of Sirens | Dark Mythologies
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Mermaids and sirens often get confused, and whilst their mythologies do overlap in many ways, their nature and subsequent cultural influence differ greatly. In the first part of this two-part video series, we take a deep look at the ancient origins of sirens.
References:
Gresseth, G. K. (1970). The Homeric Sirens. /Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association/, /101/, 203-218. doi.org/10.2307/2936048
Pollard, J. R. T. (1952). Muses and Sirens. /The Classical Review/, /2/(2), 60-63. www.jstor.org/stable/705881
SCHUR, D. (2014). THE SILENCE OF HOMER’S SIRENS. /Arethusa/, /47/(1), 1-17. www.jstor.org/stable/26322591
Van Liefferinge, C. (2012). Sirens: From the Deadly Song to the Music of the Spheres. Homeric Readings and Platonic Interpretations. Revue de l’histoire des religions, 229, 479-501. doi.org/10.4000/rhr.7980
The stupid nonsense story at the beginning was just some crap I wrote up.
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This is like the ancient people's way of telling young men that simping is bad for your health.
@makidtrej
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@jmcb00
Жыл бұрын
😭😭😭😭
@theflowerhead
Жыл бұрын
Totally. 😂
@alexiscarson6013
Жыл бұрын
Never was a more succinct yet prescient analysis ever uttered on the web 👏👏👏👏💞
@kova1577
Жыл бұрын
It’s still true. Women are sirens
I’m Greek and remember a story from my childhood about sirens being created by Demeter. Apparently they were originally nymphs who were supposed to watch over Persephone. When they failed to prevent her abduction, Demeter cursed them to become sirens. The version I was told depicted them as birds.
@solemn2854
Жыл бұрын
Harpees?
@AndYourLittleDog
Жыл бұрын
@@solemn2854 I think Elektra gave birth to two harpies
@sadkittten
Жыл бұрын
I read a book with this as the story
@julianaalcantara3595
Жыл бұрын
Que porra é essa?
@Kobiyachi_
10 ай бұрын
I too have read that
“If you hear a sorrowful scream in the night near the shore, walk with the wind away from it” yeah I don’t generally continue the direction I heard wailing screams from
@izudust
Жыл бұрын
@@bambooprincess3495 just learn to swim
@Armilus666
4 ай бұрын
I head straight to them but yeah you should stay clear.
@amandabartels458
Ай бұрын
😂😅 Salute!
@quintinwright8487
24 күн бұрын
Like for real common sense
As the song says, "By the time you hear the Sirens, it's already too late"
I love sirens, when I was younger I fought a fantasy book called Watersong because it had a sparkling cover and it was about sirens (in the book, they can take half-fish forms on water and half-bird forms on land, so the writer did a in-between both traditions) and ever since then, they have fascinated me.
@Kainpound
Жыл бұрын
That's such an original conceptually interesting idea
I'm getting the feeling that the confusion between mermaids and sirens happened fairly early. Since even the early depictions of sirens seem to go from bird-woman, to bird and fish woman, to fish-woman.
By the way Cinzia, here are a few worthy obscure mermaid/siren movies: She Creature 2001 (great monster vs alluring beauty take), Dagon (Lovecraft tale with a highly unique version of the feminine creature), Spring (dark mermaid love story in Italy) The Lure (recent Polish siren musical)(!), Night Tide (Dennis Hopper in a 1961 beatnik version), and I've got Mermaid Down ready to watch. It's either that or Aquamarine... Thanks for the deep dive!
@maggiescarlet
Жыл бұрын
Aquamarine was my childhood! Her little starfish earrings were so cute 😂 that musical sounds great though, appreciate all the recommendations
@GravityFromAbove
Жыл бұрын
@@maggiescarlet Warning. None of these are friendly mermaid movies. They are all the opposite of a Disney version. The Lure isn't a Hollywood musical at all. It is dark strange and gritty and weirdly funny. And all in Polish. But I like the dark end of the mermaid stories.
@perfectallycromulent
Жыл бұрын
there's also an Australian tv show from 2018 called Tidelands, which is on netflix at least in some countries too (like the US)
I've never been sure how Mermaids ever got their current sympathetic image. All the folktales I've read about them at best portray them as alluring but capricious beings who decide to help fishermen in exchange for some kind of cursed promise, and at worst as psychopathic fish sticks with a deep-seated love of drowning mariners. I blame Hans Christian Andersen. Which is easy, because he was a very, very weird man. I.e. Looking forward to the mermaid talk.
Жыл бұрын
I don't understand how Christian Andersen's works are considered "for children", they're all horrible without exception. If I remember correctly, sailors going to America (as in the entire continent, not the country) would get very excited to see "mermaids". It turned out they were manatees but that didn't stop them to describe the new lands as awesome partially because of the alleged mermaids. I guess they didn't know they were supposed to be murderous fish with boobs 😅
@canesugar911
Жыл бұрын
Their so called sympathetic nature only exists in Disney. I'm more inclined to be sympathetic towards them
I’ve been waiting for a video from you about this! Sirens are one of my favorite mythological creatures. 🖤
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed it!
@scottdoesntmatter4409
Жыл бұрын
@@CinziaDuBois any progress on an updated vampire video?
You've genuinely got a beautiful voice for storytelling. Could listen for hours, even if you would read from Wittgenstein's Tractatus. Have you ever considered writing your own stories and publishing them as audio books?
@CAP198462
Жыл бұрын
Other KZreadrs with amazing voices: Drachinifel GLid The Mighty Jingles. Baldamort. Drachinifel will give you the most peaceful sleep you’ve had in decades.
@Pincer88
Жыл бұрын
@@CAP198462 Certainly. But it's not about falling asleep, it's about hanging to her every word. The Lady of the Library makes the tale of the Sirens come alive the way she uses het voice in the introduction. That's magic.
@sarahf1296
Жыл бұрын
Right? Like marry me and tell me stories every night. Pretty please 🙏 That would save me lots of money on streaming and audio services.
@Pincer88
Жыл бұрын
@@sarahf1296 Wow... astonishing how you've read my mind. You must be a clairvoyant. (Please mark the sarcasm).
“Clearly it didn’t look like me, however” 💀💀 your charming delivery combined with your deep research are so appreciated!!
oh man!! I was just having this discussion with my French husband because mermaids and sirens are the same thing in French and French culture (les sirènes, quoi?, hahahhahahha), he was so surprised that with English speakers there was 2 different connotations. And then I told him about selkies, because those of us from celtic/gaelic backgrounds have this creature in our culture, and then I just confused him more, lol
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget kelpies! 😃 I think in Spanish it's the same, the word Sirena is applied to both creatures.
@alexandrad3158
Жыл бұрын
i have just a google search and realized that in ALL Romance languages, mermaids and sirens are considered the same thing....
@HolasoyMai
Жыл бұрын
@ Yes. I still don't get used to two different types of "sirens" in English
@leticiabarboza486
Жыл бұрын
Only now do I realize that we have only one word for both creatures in Portuguese as well 🤔
This series of videos will be really interesting to me, because my family comes from southern Italy and Sicily, including the parts at the Strait of Messina where Scylla and Charybdis and the sirens were supposed to be!
Thank you! I’m loving this! What a great topic. In the beginning of the video where you are speaking over the images of the candle and the moon your voice is perfect for the words you are speaking. You could be a voice actor, it’s so perfect! Your choice of music is also exactly right. As always, you do such a good job of presenting incredibly well researched information mixed with humor and fun. I’m looking forward to the next installment.
I love those bed sheets!!! mushrooms are very witchy and mystical
A marvelous beginning to what looks to be a favorite series, many thanks!
Loved this, and I cannot wait for part 2! Also, the background music was the perfect touch *chef's kiss*
Already excited to see part 2! Loved the video and the October themed series. ❤
Your opening for this video was absolutely hypnotic!
Your voice drew me into the channel, but you are all muse, no siren. October is just the best, mostly because of all the great KZread content. Thanks for helping make the month extra Spooktacular!
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
Eeeeeeek! I am so very excited for this two part series!!
Your room is so lovely, and your voice is so relaxing. I just love how much information you can pack in such a lovely voice. Thank you for teaching so much in such a lovely way.
You're very well read but I keep coming back to your videos because you're so comforting and your voice relaxes me. I really enjoy your work 🖖🏼
Newly discovered your channel today and have been binge watching. Your academic presentation gorgeously pairs with the entertaining and insightful points made. My mind feels as revived days in graduate school, which is the most sincere of compliments.
Loved your reading at the opening...I was completely hooked. Greatly looking forward to the rest of dark October.
OBSESSED! Thank you for providing an in-depth look at the origins of the siren. Adore this video series 🖤
This is my favorite on the videos you've done thus far! It reminds me of multiple world myths including the Kushtaka of North America and the rainbow bridge and the 9 realms in Nordic mythology. Thank you for making these, history and classics are so much more fascinating when you get to go on tangents and anchor them to something someone may be more familiar with :)
Love your videos Cinzia can't wait for part 2!!!
Odysseus wanted to be tied to the mast because if the sirens sang and nobody came, they would know and seek them out. He did it to protect the crew. The sirens knew someone (Odysseus) could hear them so they kept singing until the crew who couldn’t hear her snuck the ship past. It was a diversion tactic and had nothing to do with cake. 🙂
Thank you for these videos. The scholarly content mixes well with your sweet and fun personality :)
Thank you! 😊 this was really interesting, I'm excited for part 2 🧜♀️
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
I’m liking the background mood music! Excellent video as always ❤
You have such a nice voice for telling stories
This was totally fascinating, love your channel.❤
Love this series!! Can't wait for more :D Happy October everyone
Your videos are always so fantastic! Loved this look into Sirens
Always a treat when one of yours turns up in my feed! This comment to let the algorithm know I'd like to see the next one more promptly...
finding your channel has improved my Classical education onehundred fold...thank you..
Good first video. I'm fine with these topics stretching into Christmas time!
always excellent and well paced...thank you for your consistancy and excellent......
Interesting subject, and an excellent video. You have a beautiful voice for storytelling.
Thank goodness for the only person who have the intelligence and voice to give wonderful info. Love ur channel!❤
About fantastic video, thank you for all of the work you put in to your content x
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, Emma!!
Why does every British person sound like an Oxford professor! 💚 everything sounds more intelligent and smooth! 💚 Love the mythological on sirens/mermaids! 💙
I really liked the story at the start. It really set the tone of danger masked by beauty that sirens represent. The following description of sirens in literature felt too short to me. Looking forward to the follow up!
I discovered your channel a few weeks ago. Every video is better and better, you are very pretty, and your voice and accent are just beautiful. Thank you for your work.
Love this video!! I love your storytelling style. 🖤
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!!
I just can't seem to stop watching ur videos! 😍 Thank u ❤️
I enjoy listening to your voice, both alluring and calming.
I love the spooky tone of the video. I'm excited for part 2
What a wonderful spooky start to October!
Song to the Siren by This Mortal Coil. ❤ Persephone by The Cocteau Twins 🥰
@MammaApa
Жыл бұрын
Song to the Siren is a cover, original by Tim Buckley. I couldn't choose one over the other though, and that is rare when it comes to covers!
@andy2950
Жыл бұрын
@MammaApa I know. Jeff Buckley was obsessed with Liz Fraser after hearing her cover of his Dad's song. That's the clincher for me.
Soooo, If sirens have wings, one could write a story in which sky sirens lure pilots instead of sailors.
@SamSam-esqe
Жыл бұрын
Ooooooooooooooo
i only remember that the sirens got a little bit... annoyed... when obelix asked for food.
I love the background music. I very much enjoyed this video and cannot wait for others such as this one.
I love this Halloween themed series!
My new favorite KZreadr!
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Aww, thank you!
just starting the video. Love the mushroom bedsheets
I always look forward to hearing your videos 🎬
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
I really loved this video!! Thanks!! ❤
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!!
Such an interesting video 💗.
please do more storytelling like you did at the start of the video. it helps me fall asleep. it would be great if you do more. i love these!
I'd love to see a faithful adaptation of sirens on the screen, as they were described by Homer in "The Oddysey". Great video Lady! Love the narration at the intro.
Super fascinating thank you as always
Fascinating stuff keep it up!
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
Glad I found this channel.
Loving this dark series!
Can’t wait !
All right, I'm hooked. I just subscribed.
Loved this 🥰
Thanks again as always.
I really really enjoyed this amazing video love it and love you and your amazing channel ❤❤❤❤
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!
@johnsaxongitno4life588
Жыл бұрын
@@CinziaDuBois no worries 😉 your welcome 🙏
A beautiful reading 😊
I don't think it was mentioned or asked yet, but what are you reading in the intro? I'm in love whatever it is and i want more of that one too. This is epic.
Thanks for this neat siren video! 🙆♀️
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
Thank you so much for doing this. There was so much about sirens I didn't know or never realized, especially their connection to Egypt and descriptions. Looking forward to part 2! (also asphodel is one of my favorite words to say lol)
Rely enjoyed this one and would rely like it if you could do a video in the 5 parts that Egyptians believed made up ones self it sounds very interesting
11:50 makes me think of the different hz frequencies 😮
Me, suddenly realizing half-tangent that daffodils have 6 points, so basically hexagonal star-shaped... Hellflowers! xD
I loved this ❤
Ohhh Thanks for the hopefully three months of fun!
“Clearly it didn’t look like me however” -I chuckled 🤣
Looking forward to this series!!
Delightful.
"Many a hero has been laid low, like Samson, by a perfidious Ba" - William S. Burroughs
The change in set actually works for the halloween theme
Splendid 👍👍
I never would have thought of sirens as celestial it's a new perspective 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️
Always had a fascinating with mermaids. This was such an interesting video
in Italian siren and mermaid both translate to the word "Sirena"
@jissellecruz4054
Жыл бұрын
Same in Spanish
I love your voice. Do you use it in everyday life or is it affectation for the channel?
@CinziaDuBois
Жыл бұрын
It's my real voice haha thank you
I’ve never heard of the half bird half human sirens. I thought I had done a lot of reading but I guess I have much more to do. Can anyone suggest any sources to look at and/or read? Tia!
Another great video… I am kinda distracted by your mushroom duvet cover and pillow cases
Ahh the screencap from Dagon in the thumbnail👌🏻
The video of the sirens, you aren't off subject when talking about Egypt and the bae bird. Have you thought about doing some about inanna, eve after the separation from Adam? Their more I would like to talk about.
Request: the boatman of the underworld across mythologies
Your bed sheets are amazing
I remember reading translation from a hebrew text that said the punishment for the mothers of the nephilim was to be transformed into sirens. Cant remember if their physical form was described or not, but something has me leaning towards part bird not fish. Ill have to see if i can find it
Idrk why, but the "Ba" reminds me a lot of the character Yubaba in Spirited Away
never knew the sirens had a role in the underworld acting as a living lynchpin to hold up the heavens and the earth