The Dark Ice Project Introduction - Composite Sledges for a Polar World Record Attempt

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Interview with polar adventurer and expedition coordinator Alex Hibbert to find out about The Dark Ice Project and what he needs from a set of sledges that will be dragged across thousands of miles of arctic ice in the polar winter.
The interview explains the challenges that the team and these sledges will face and introduces the following four composites video tutorials covering pattern making, mould making, material evaluation and selection, and resin infusion of the final sledges ready for Alex's world-record attempt across the arctic.

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  • @drumherum
    @drumherum3 жыл бұрын

    Love to see vids like this, you guys are doing a great job on youtube. Thanks for sharing all the knowledge.

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, glad you like them :)

  • @purerhodium
    @purerhodium3 жыл бұрын

    Love the in-depth discussion here, really looking forward to this series of videos!

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, we have them all ‘in the can’ as they say so just editing and VO to do... so, hopefully, not long to wait.

  • @hackaxl
    @hackaxl3 жыл бұрын

    Love it. Thanks for taking this one on.

  • @The_R_Vid
    @The_R_Vid3 жыл бұрын

    I love this discussion between the designer and the user. The user clearly understands what the end product needs to be able to do, and the designer is taking those performance requirements and looking at the object and thinking through how to engineer and apply the materials at his disposal to meet the performance requirements. Great stuff!

  • @ryanliumith
    @ryanliumith3 жыл бұрын

    Please keep up the videos!! Love the way you guys teach

  • @mithileshsingh1212
    @mithileshsingh12123 жыл бұрын

    Easy composite have taken it to whole new level.

  • @user-qx7tm5df8j
    @user-qx7tm5df8j3 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting. Looking forward for that series. Thank you for making this.

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    You’re very welcome, as usual, we had fun making it!

  • @waynenocton
    @waynenocton3 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome, thanks for helping them and teaching us! Following with excitement

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    You’re very welcome, thanks for watching.

  • @waltherbert
    @waltherbert3 жыл бұрын

    Looks like a great project and good content coming up. Looking forward to it!

  • @angus3963
    @angus39633 жыл бұрын

    Yes new series!

  • @onepairofhands
    @onepairofhands3 жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to this selection of Vids - what a 'cool' project :)

  • @SomeTechGuy666
    @SomeTechGuy6663 жыл бұрын

    Really cool project ! Both the sledges and the expedition. Kudos for Easy Composites for helping them.

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot, appreciate the support.

  • @hector4330
    @hector43303 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome

  • @TechnoComposites
    @TechnoComposites3 жыл бұрын

    More videos like this please.

  • @svenkrause3433
    @svenkrause34333 жыл бұрын

    Yeah....an new series...👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @mattapple2105
    @mattapple21053 жыл бұрын

    Excellent Video, very good audio and video quality, and of course another interesting project, keep up the good work !

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Matt, appreciate your feedback on the production too.

  • @kyekillian
    @kyekillian3 жыл бұрын

    I just watched The Thing, and would recommend making these fire/bullet/monster proof as well. Good luck!!

  • @bryansiepert9222
    @bryansiepert92222 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting! I'm glad to see you cover a real-life applications, and especially with the detail that you're allowing the guest to go into. This is both informative and interesting material!

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    2 жыл бұрын

    Appreciate the kind feedback, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @TroyRubert
    @TroyRubert3 жыл бұрын

    I would say this is a great example of what other industries should start doing sharing these stories with all of mankind so we can all learn. Reminds me of the Terror, sir John would be proud

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Troy, thanks for the comments. I do think we’re seeing a more towards more sharing and mutual support, certainly that’s what we try to promote as a company.

  • @amirfathirad2965
    @amirfathirad29653 жыл бұрын

    easy composite is the best composite reference in the world, your channel is my bible in the composite, cant wait for other videos on this build

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Amir, that’s very kind. Enjoy the series.

  • @Michallote
    @Michallote3 жыл бұрын

    It is truly amazing what you are doing, I'd love to see more of this project! (Having seen the other videos) I'd LOVE to see your design process in CAD and commentaries on what things to watch out for when designing for composite manufacturing

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Mich, well, the next part of the tutorial will be online next week. We don't focus on the CAD design in this series but we do go into material selection which you'll hopefully find interesting. Maybe at some point in the future we'll go more into the CAD side; in CAD terms, this is a very simple project. As many have pointed out, it's a bathtub really!

  • @miken7629
    @miken76293 жыл бұрын

    This is very interesting. When designing the sledge, you can turn it into a survival shelter by adding insulation to the sides & bottom and throwing a sleeping bag on top. In a storm, he could empty sledge and crawl in to survive.

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    You're spot on - this is indeed the last resort plan in an emergency.

  • @pablobesser

    @pablobesser

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AH-ns2wh when i crossed the patagonian ice cap in 1998, it took 98 day sled ski expedition, i designed and builded the 2 different kind of sled we used, later used some on greenland too, is good to make it more shallow but this cavity in the middle also trap some air and offer less drag on soft snow, then a complete flat one. i learn stability is much more dependent then how wide and longer the sled are. also in the ocean artic i wiould bring a packraft to cross this open water channels or something to connect both sled like a cataraft... well nice to see it. my own sled, 2 mts long and 60 cm wide was about 15 kilos old fiberglass, this was 20 years ago!!, so let see what can make new tecnology. good luck

  • @Anton-zb9dc
    @Anton-zb9dc3 жыл бұрын

    Watched all of your videos, mostly more than once, now thinking about own shoe project and layup for best weight to durability ratio. Also ordered some carbon, twaron, and epoxy from Easy Composites, great service and fast shipping!

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your support Anton, we appreciate your business.

  • @leokaravasili9649
    @leokaravasili96493 жыл бұрын

    In terms of what to use as the runners, as a skier i’d say go for a regular ski base material but if you can have it ground into a very fine pattern then it will run faster than a deep base grind, this is because youre running on very coarse snow so there wont be much water to wick away from the base compared to slushy or wet snow.👍🏻

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    At the temperatures designed and planned for, you don't benefit from any friction-generated film of water like you might at -10 or -15, C, so low dry CoF is the target.

  • @sheteyogesh25
    @sheteyogesh253 жыл бұрын

    Great

  • @john-hutchinson
    @john-hutchinson3 жыл бұрын

    Surely low temp ski wax (paraffin wax) would be a good solution. PTFE and graphite coatings feel sticky on skis, but I suppose that's much warmer

  • @Jdmjunkie001
    @Jdmjunkie0013 жыл бұрын

    Could you use a ceramic coating on the bottom for its hydrophobic properties to reduce friction?

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    Weight would be the key issue, along with brittleness.

  • @firashamadi8580
    @firashamadi85803 жыл бұрын

    hello id like to ask is there a formula or a relation to find out how thick will my part be after doing the vaccum resin infusion. ( for example how much does epoxy add to thickness of the reinforcment sheets). and thanks for the great and intresting content.

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, it's actually pretty straight forward. For many typical reinforcements (carbon, glass and Kevlar, to an extent) the thickness that layer of reinforcement will add to the laminate, in millimetres, can be correlated to its weight in gsm. So, a 200g cloth will add about 0.2mm thickness. A 400g will add about 0.4mm, an 800g would be 0.8mm. It's no exact but it's very close, especially for carbon and glass. Kevlar is a bit less dense and so works out a bit thicker than its weight would suggest.

  • @t4concepts
    @t4concepts3 жыл бұрын

    Easy Composites must be very proud being involved in such a project. Congratulations are in order ; ) Elon Musk will undoubtedly be contacting EC very soon! TURK

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well, I’m not sure we could teach the Space X guys much but if they need a sledge to track round on Mars then they know who to call!

  • @user-ti2hp5yk6d
    @user-ti2hp5yk6d3 жыл бұрын

    İ love you. And i love yiur videos😃😃. I learned alot from you

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! 😃

  • @user-ti2hp5yk6d

    @user-ti2hp5yk6d

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@easycompositestv you welcome ☺️☺️

  • @nic..7193
    @nic..71933 жыл бұрын

    Would a polymer mold release, such as Loctite's WOLO, Axle 818, or the higher release Zyvax/Chemlease products work to reduce the friction on the ice?

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    Any rub-on products etc would wear off pretty fast. The product surface itself needs to be as fundamentally slippery as possible.

  • @creepingjesus5106
    @creepingjesus51063 жыл бұрын

    Talking about 'ground plastic' for the runners, is that to achieve that sort of 'shark skin' surface that competition swimsuits have?

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    No, that's more of a fluid dynamics solution. Although you get a little surface friction melting as you slide over some snow surfaces, ground plastics would be there in the resin to hypothetically reduce the CoF.

  • @dalecollison791
    @dalecollison7913 жыл бұрын

    I would like to buy your product in Australia but last time I checked I couldn't ship it. Can you organis a distributor in Aus?

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    At the moment, not dangerous goods unfortunately - which is a great deal of what we sell. We are considering ways to support customers in Australia better though.

  • @aleccisco
    @aleccisco3 жыл бұрын

    What are the pros and cons of using your techniques vs metal shaping with sheet meal? Mabe not for this scop bt for creating new cars motorbikes etc. How can we budget a design using your ways of doing it?

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's difficult for me to understand the comparison really; if you're making a composite component (carbon, Kevlar, fibreglass etc.) they're you're almost certainly going to want a composite mould to make it in. It would be pretty-much unheard of to make a mould from sheet metal and wouldn't really be suitable if you did do it. If, on the other hand, you want a sheet-metal part then making a composite pattern wouldn't really make sense. If you're talking more widely about the comparison between composite vehicle panels and metal vehicle panels then the advantages are pretty-much all with composite panels, in terms of weight/stiffness etc, enabling you to make a lighter vehicle if it was made with a carbon fibre body compared to an aluminium or steel body, but the costs, especially in mass production, would be much higher for a composite body.

  • @SUPSUNRU
    @SUPSUNRU3 жыл бұрын

    Whats this D material you guys talk about at the beginning?

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    Diolen - a polyester woven fabric. It's less strong/stiff than aramid/Kevlar, but is a lot cheaper, and you can stretch it further before it fails.

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, as AH said. In the 4th video in the series (the 3rd proper 'tutorial') we do a detailed evaluation and comparison between various possible reinforcements; Diolen, Innegra, Kavlar and Carbon. I think you'll find that helpful to understand Diolen better.

  • @michaelbishton9439
    @michaelbishton94393 жыл бұрын

    What is the Dylon (sp?) Material you mentioned?

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    Diolen - a polyester reinforcement with good flexibility and stretch characteristics but not as strong as Kevlar/aramid.

  • @michaelbishton9439

    @michaelbishton9439

    3 жыл бұрын

    ​@@AH-ns2wh Thank you for replying! I was impressed by Diolen's flexibility when you hit it with that hammer. That got my attention. I am starting to think about building fairings for Quicksilver MXL ultralight aircraft that would be much lighter than the thick and heavy fiberglass ones (to make them sturdy) that are available today. I was thinking about a flexible skin with "ribs" on the inside, made of foam strips covered with CF to add the structure. I thought this would allow it to be bumped into without damage. www.smittysfab.com/quiksngn/bullet14.jpg

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@michaelbishton9439 I'll defer to the experts at Easy Composites, but although yes Diolen is exceptionally good at taking repeated impacts, it's a LOT less stiff than kevlar, carbon and glass, so if you need it to hold its shape reasonably, you need either quite some thickness, or to add a core, or carbon structure as you say. I'm not aware of any Diolen hybrid weaves to get a mix of properties like you can with carbon and kevlar.

  • @michaelbishton9439

    @michaelbishton9439

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AH-ns2wh Thank you for replying. That is why I was thinking of giving it shape by making ribs out of strips of foam, covered with Carbon Fiber. They would be cylindrical ribs spaced six inches apart, from front to back. That way, if you bump the fairing, it would take the beating, but the overall fairing shape would be maintained by the ribs. Thank you for your thoughts.

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    There are not any hybrids at present however you can put different layers of different cloths to get a mixture of properties in the laminate, so carbon for stiffness and diolen for impact resistance. Aramid is even better for impact resistance and is commonly available in a variety of hybrid formats.

  • @timcross2510
    @timcross25103 жыл бұрын

    The resin at 50 below or30 40 below will make all the difference for performance and I doubt there is test data at low temperatures

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    Below -50 isn't necessary, and we have used, and abused, the relevant resins from the EC range below -40, with no issues attributed to the resin. Nothing beats real world experience.

  • @timcross2510

    @timcross2510

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AH-ns2wh ,thanks for that. I had a resin problem years ago related to temp. Nothing super cold. I'm old and have had so much go wrong I just wanted to give a heads up.

  • @crazystuffproduction
    @crazystuffproduction3 жыл бұрын

    You guys should open a USA market, or atleast keep making KZread vids, these are really great topics. Sub'ed in the hope yall do something with boats or something :P

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, we'd like to do something on boat building. We have an experienced naval architect on the team here so we're pretty well qualified! Thanks for the sub and yes, we hope to be in the US in the not too distant future :)

  • @mckenziekeith7434

    @mckenziekeith7434

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@easycompositestv it would be awesome to publish plans for small relatively easy to build boats. Most of the boats out there are stitch and glue. But if you released (or sold) plans for foam core glass or carbon boats that would be pretty cool. But I am also in the US, and so it would be hard for me to buy materials from you.

  • @mckenziekeith7434
    @mckenziekeith74343 жыл бұрын

    Make sure you test your materials at cold temperatures. Last thing you need is for your chosen resin or coating to become brittle at deep sub-freezing temperatures.

  • @mckenziekeith7434

    @mckenziekeith7434

    3 жыл бұрын

    I apologize if this is obvious to you. But it wasn't mentioned in the video, is all.

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi, yes, we've got that covered for sure. the 4th video in the series (the 3rd of the proper tutorials) is all about material testing and we do a few different things to ensure we're testing the materials at low temperatures. Stay tuned!

  • @mckenziekeith7434

    @mckenziekeith7434

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@easycompositestv Looking forward to it!

  • @user-ti2hp5yk6d
    @user-ti2hp5yk6d3 жыл бұрын

    Put i hav a problem. The problem is my language is arabic and my English is not good 😔😔

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    We’ll get the captions added in the next few days, hopefully then the KZread auto translate will work pretty well for subtitles.

  • @ErtsenPlayGames
    @ErtsenPlayGames3 жыл бұрын

    epoxy with graphite , On International Trade Fair for Composite Materials i talk with canoe and yacht makers and they say to use epoxy with graphite on botton for super smooth and low friction surface For me it is avesome material i was surprised how strong it can be , pure epoxy with graphite super strong and feel smooth , can bond everything together i would like to see test with it and hard epoxy ,,, maybe even graphite with chopped carbon fibre /kevlar but there is small chance it will be smooth enough after kevlar fibers start to go out of the resin . PS. avesome project to work with :D

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    You might be surprised by a subsequent video in this series!

  • @drumbum7999
    @drumbum79993 жыл бұрын

    these guys look related

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    Only in spirit and love for Kevlar.

  • @inthemountainswithmeachum3256
    @inthemountainswithmeachum32563 жыл бұрын

    Why hasn't carbon fiber and kevlar been used yet ? When it comes to strength and impact resistance carbon fibre and kevlar are used to stop bullets from entering somebody's body cavity so I think it would be My personal option when it comes to strength and weight For regular civilians you not gonna get much better. There are Alaskan cub planes that are made out of purely carbon fiber/carbon cub lol The only downside is the cost of carbon fiber/1 tine intinial investment but the upside is it will last forever. Look at broadhead penetration That's exactly what hes talking about essentially penetration. The broadhead punches a hole big enough for the arrow to slide through No loss of energy Thats important With a heavy strong nose also known as FoC When you hit a snow drift it will punch through with the least amount of energy needed

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    Huh?

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    You will see the materials used and also some material selection testing in a further video to show the reasons why the materials used are selected.

  • @johnsmith1474
    @johnsmith14743 жыл бұрын

    "Lets flip it over to look at the important part ..." image is completely blown out white, no detail.

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi John, yes, we noticed that after publishing to KZread, it was an oversight on our part. KZread encoding does tend to lose some of the dynamic range and push the levels,; we should have anticipated that better. The version on Vimeo (the embedded player on our website) is better.

  • @papaspeleo
    @papaspeleo3 жыл бұрын

    So....you are going to look at microplastics and therefore you will dump a boot in the atlantic and make a toxic sledge....mmmh 🧐

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    The (now postponed) plan is for a recovery of the boat, and all its contents. The environmental plan was carefully developed.

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    We'll also endeavour to not dump any boots anywhere. That would be careless.

  • @papaspeleo

    @papaspeleo

    3 жыл бұрын

    A H do you know how big the ocean is? A good friend of mine surged for 2 weeks for a abandoned vessel that was about 100m long. And the had a rough idea were to find it. Put a gps transmitter in the boot otherwise it is pure imagination that they will ever be able to recover it. Actually, this guy has a cool plan for voyage and found a way to not pay all the expenses by himself. And I do not blame him for that, I do crazy things myself. But That’s all the bs about microplastics just to have ‘sponsors’

  • @mckenziekeith7434

    @mckenziekeith7434

    3 жыл бұрын

    Micro-plastics does not equal toxic sludge. A toxic sludge would be something like mine tailings mixed in tar, for example.

  • @AH-ns2wh

    @AH-ns2wh

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@papaspeleo I think I too would be surging if I lost a 100m boot in an ocean whose size I hadn't researched. I look forward to your next valuable nugget of advice.

  • @johnsmith1474
    @johnsmith14743 жыл бұрын

    He's going to abandon a boat, then leave either graphite or ground plastic all over the Arctic. Why are these two guys making believe they are planning this project in this vid? Just talk about the project, stop the fake interview q&a premise.

  • @easycompositestv

    @easycompositestv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow, it really wasn’t your cup of tea, was it. Sorry about that. The conversation and discussions about priorities aren’t fake, that might become more clear later in the series when we get to the testing. The suggestion that this expedition will “leave ground plastic or graphite all over the arctic” is ridiculous and unfair. The boat will be recovered. Anyway, I hope you enjoy the rest of the series.

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