I really hope Tiebreak turns out well. Im not really feeling topspin 2k25

@Asswipe44

11 күн бұрын

top spin 1 is still the best.

Making a great tennis videogame has to be one of the most challenging projects even for today standards

Love Tennis Elbow 2013 and 4 (both with mods). Superb gameplay and physics.

@victorbicudo1374

8 күн бұрын

TE4 is the most realistic but looks absolutely awful with the weird animations, even with the mods.

@buinhat9229

7 күн бұрын

Been playing modded TE 2013 since 2014, and still sticking to it now with the 2022 mod. The most realistic tennis game to me

Top spin has all the advantage with supreme game mechanics and physics but the devs needs to get a grip and stop with the skins and ridiculous courts. Give us new gameplay modes, players, challenges and new winning animations/videos! I mean, same video sequence if u win a ATP 250 or a grand slam!

@krishnakumar2390

11 күн бұрын

True

@greenbrommie5947

9 күн бұрын

same trophy as well 😂

@symptomesdelau-dela5442

9 күн бұрын

i never understood the hype about top spin gameplay. Always felt robotic and stiff to me, especially in when the player is preparing the drive and stays put on the place for like a second before hitting the ball

@brianlafev4261

9 күн бұрын

I really like the gameplay but the career mode is woeful. I remember Top Spin 1’s career mode. You used to win tournaments and progress up the rankings which would allow you opportunities at sponsorship. Then you’d get bonus xp and money for wearing your sponsors clothing or using their racket. Why does a game that was released probably like 20 years ago, have a better career mode than the latest game in the franchise? I honestly got bored before I even won a GS.

@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten

9 күн бұрын

​@@brianlafev4261This is true for many sports games and this is because the online mode makes more money which is why the devs focus on it much more than career mode.

Topspin 2K is a basically remaster, even the devs said they brought over the mechanics from TS4. I feel like they started on the project no more than 1/2 years ago honestly, with the lack of promotion evident. It’s a good remaster but no more than that - a good base to start for the new gen consoles so hopefully they build off this and put some time and effort into the next one!

As an ardent Tennis fan and a regular player, I prefer Tennis Elbow 4 and Full Ace Tennis Simulator. I always was a proponent of Full Ace Tennis Simulator, but of late, I have been diving into Tennis Elbow 4 and to me, I think Tennis Elbow 4 might actually be ever so slightly more realistic in terms of gameplay... compared to Full Ace Tennis Simulator. Also, Tennis Elbow has come out with the console releases, which also support mods. So, absolutely loving Tennis Elbow 4 on my Steam Deck.

@5ammy13

12 күн бұрын

Also to add, I love that you can play women's and doubles in Tennis Elbow whereas sadly FATS comes with only men's singles.

Got lots of hype for tiebreak cause it could be a good package that has everything even with gameplay flaws, but at the same time i still have faith in Topspin and the playstation release of Tennis Elbow 4. In the end I'll find a way to enjoy all three even if everything goes wrong lol

Nice video! Last week, we played 3 online Tiebreak matches together. Even though you won every one, I found the games MUCH more enjoyable than Topspin online matches. With the release coming soon, I am skeptical of how much this game improves despite it being loaded with potential (especially for online play). Dare I say, I hope EA buys out the game in a jealous need to make a better game than 2k, giving it a need budget boost to take it to the next level.

@semu8030

10 күн бұрын

If EA make another Grand Slam Tennis, I'd rather see a new Virtua Tennis

Great video mate! it's cool that you keep our attention regularly on the Tiebreak current state and compare it with main opponent. Regarding BigAnt I think it would be a good idea to give a free weekend for players to try Tiebreak before release, like 2k did recently.This way they can attract more people to the title. 🙂

Thanks this video was helpful

Great video! I’ve spent so much time on AO tennis due to the solid gameplay (most of the time) and the ability to have a large playing roster. I have been hesitant to pay premium price for topspin until they increase the playing roster. I also agree that there needs to be a balance of power in future titles and some more strategy behind strokes!!

I think the same, Bigant was experimenting and learning with the previous games, the best for me was AO2 had a good base to keep improving, and I'm not going to lie to you, I didn't have faith in Tiebreak but my opinion changed radically, this time it seems that they want to make a serious tennis game, they are looking at the feedback and that's very promising. Today the PvP gameplay is very good, not so against the AI that must continue to improve it. I tried the new topspin and I didn't like it at all and I didn't plan to buy it, but I tried it during the free weekend. The customization and monetization system seems to me an insult, 2k simply took advantage of the title and the nostalgia underestimating the players with a game worse than topspin 4. Mention aside for TE3, TE4 (for me it still needs work) and Full Ace which are the best in terms of gameplay and world tour mode. Adding the mods they are excellent games with great possibilities. In conclusion, right now I am playing a lot of Tiebreak and I see a great future for it if they keep improving it. Every shot matters, you have to make good decisions to continue with every shot.

@thefedhd8042

11 күн бұрын

How is it worst than ts4 if it’s identical for fuck’s sake, it’s the same with more animations and improved gameplay lol, u casuals don’t really have a clue.

Super Tennis on the SNES is still the best.

@OmegaMouse

9 күн бұрын

I LOVE THAT GAME

Tennis video games had a golden era with Top Spin 1-3 and Virtua Tennis and that was 20 years ago! it can’t be that hard to make a good tennis game 😢

I'm hopeful for Tie Break, but the serve needs to be sorted out!

There is a mobile phone game called Tennis Arena. I think it’s one of the best game playing experiences than any of these games.

Top spin with its highs and downs is still the best tennis video game so far. Ball mechanics, the big number of game situation animations, different shots for different situations, the correct representation of the surfaces. For years So many tennis fans asked for the TS franchise to be back with few modifications and that is what we got. I know the career mode could be more accurate but I know the simplistic representation is part of TS since the very first release. We need a bigger roster and some balance in the shots for online matches and Tournament mode, nothing else. On the other hand, Tiebreak has improved but is not even close to the TS gameplay in terms of Ball mechanics, AI, game smoothness and so on an so for. Career mode seems to be more realistic and player models look better, that is not enough though.

I loved Mario Tennis on Gamecube.

@machetegaming

9 күн бұрын

I have never tried Mario Tennis games. Is the one on Nintendo Switch good too?

According to me, as a regular tennis player, TE is at tennis video games what ISS PRO EVOLUTION was at football video games on PlayStation. And to me the most important is to enjoy the game : I enjoyed ISS, I enjoyed PES on ps2, I enjoy TE and I don’t enjoy TS 2k25 at all ! In TS 2k25 you just have to serve deep on the side, wait for the return and then strike to the other side 🙄 And you repeat again and again and again : you never miss : that’s boring. So my vote goes to TE and I don’t need TE to improve the graphics, it’s not important for me.

@machetegaming

9 күн бұрын

I have been playing almost exclusively Tennis Elbow for a few days now, and your comment feels on point. I was a huge fan of the early PES/ISS games as well, and TE scratches a similar itch for tennis right now. I am curious-have you played Full Ace? If so, how would you compare it with TE?

i play tennis elbow 4 in first person view just to simulate real life tennis

Hot take: 2K is the worst of them all. They literally did the bare mimimum to capitalize on the nostalgia of the series. The devs literally told us that they copy and pasted directly from TopSpin 4. We should’ve know it was gonna be a bad game when they said that

I really enjoyed smash court tennis 3, for me it had the best mechanics

I don’t think Tiebreak has better graphics than Topspin

Was so excited when I hear TopSpin 2K25 was coming out. It was my favourite tennis game growing up... and then I saw the graphics of the players :( You were generous say they look like a PS4 game, to me its early PS3. So sad and I've heard so so reviews even more depressing. Why can't tennis games get it together? Every other major sport has amazing games, with great graphics, even Wrestling!

is it so hard to make a game with tennis elbow 4 physics but with better animations and graphics?

@victorbicudo1374

8 күн бұрын

thats what we need

The problem is with the players. There are a few different types. One is the online sweatys who are always crying about something. Next we have the career grinders who just love starting all over again and again with every new game. Then you have people like me who are tennis fans from all eras and love single play with legends and greats of today. So how do you satisfy all three? You don't. Make games for each. "He who chases two rabbits goes home with no dinner"....

the dream tennis videogame? The simulation gameplay from Tennis Elbow, proper graphics and animations, some realistic stamina malus that prevents you to make every perfect shot if you are skilled enough (like happens in tennis elbow), and a good career mode. Right now Tennis elbow is the best tennis game (still didn't tried the 4th one, but people suggesting that its early access state will give a huge improvement to Tennis Elbow 2013)

I‘m very pleased with tennis elbow. It‘s certainly not the best looking and also not very easy to get into it. But once you start improving it just feels so much more enjoyable and satisfying than all the other games i have tried

@machetegaming

9 күн бұрын

Yep, the game is a blast! Which one are you playing? TE 2013 or 4? Did you try Full Ace as well?

@gobra9048

9 күн бұрын

@@machetegaming I played 2013 for quiet a while and now switched to TE 4. I know Full Ace only from videos to be fair. Looks quiet solid as well but i can‘t really see it being on the same level tactical whise. I just like the different shotselections you can make and how natural and intuitive it feels, once you got the basics 😂

i don't buy for "if", i buy "when" so no tie break for me top spin has few issues but still the only console game to be ok!

6:06 this is so unrealistic, standing completely still waiting for the ball

The problem with 2K25 is that the ball is TOO SLOW!

The latest TopSpin gameplay is good and the courts look great.Graphics are bad,single player career needs more to it,it becomes a bit repetitive and stale quite quickly.Hopefully they continue to add improvements to it otherwise it will die away with players over time.

I have faith in tiebreak

Mario Tennis. Enough said

I think game companies should just focus on making the gameplay look as similar as the real life. No need for real players or courts. I think every tennis games’ gameplay, player’s movements ect. look far from real life tennis. Even football games from early 2000’s portray football better than today’s best tennis games’ portrayal of tennis.

Topspin 2k25 is a baby step in the right direction after 13 years. We need someone to get offline mode perfected. I think a lot of problems are occurring trying to get online balancing right before we get the bare bones foundational stuff rock solid. 2k25 is a poor consolation prize but again, we're moving in the right direction, even if it is taking literal decades. NO Challenges! This is so silly. I'm still angry all the big real tourneys don't take human error out of the game. WHY would we place "fake" human error in a videogame? Always thought that is ridiculous. Do you want to feel like you're playing tennis or watching it on TV?

@machetegaming

5 сағат бұрын

I want to feel like I am playing tennis in real competitions. And that currently involves human error on the judges side and challenge system. Plus it adds another layer of game within a game. I like seeing how often I am actually wrong in my judgment in Full Ace for example. But I do understand your line of thinking and why you wouldn't want that in Tennis games. Easy solution: Games could just have an option to have challenges in matches or not, so that everyone is happy (at least in offline modes)

Tiebreak is looking really promising, Top Spin2k25 is such a disappointment.

Thanks for comprehensive review. Indeed Topspin is disappointing... On the other hand, Tie Break is slowly catching up and shows more willingness to learn and fix (not just on Gucci bag, cosmestic stuff, microtransactions).

Nice summary! I've been 1000 hours into Full Ace, and I can say that, with the Mod, it is the closest experience to real tennis. Ball physics shine bright, and although there's no motion capture on players' movements, the gameplay feel makes you think that this is it. Feels good to hit a winner, to go for that pass with a deep top spin down the line...etc. I am still waiting for something close to the animation here from goofypixel: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIN-t5SkgtWxnJc.html. Not sure it's possible though given the chaotic response that has to be done for players commands, but yeah, that'd be the holy grail.

@machetegaming

9 күн бұрын

I am into Tennis Elbow 4 now, but plan to jump more into Full Ace, as well. Have you tried both or just FA? And ye, that animation video is amazing! I wish for such level of visual realism on the market.

Nice video. I agree wtith that...but tiebreak its not our savior. Poor gameplay, bad animations, bad moviment, bad shots. Every one knows that top spin is a better option. Of course 2k25 could be better, we expect more than that, but it is a better way of tennis game. Hope 2 3 years on the future, the franchise get better and bring to us a massive tennis game

Matchpoint is dead, it's pretty long since they released an update so it's safe to say it's abandoned. As for Bigant, they're shit, everything they release is shit and I dont know how they're still active. Their best game so far is AO Tennis 2 and it's still pretty mediocre when compared to EA Grand Slam Tennis 2 (the most similar game in terms of visuals and gameplay). As for the rest, both Tennis World Tour and so far Tiebreak are only good for people who have been living in a cave all their lives and are now starting to discover videogames for the first time. Full Ace and Tennis Elbow 2013 are the only good tennis games rn, Tennis Elbow 4 is worse than TE 2013 and Top Spin 2K25 needs some extra cooking before I lay my hands on it. I'd rather see Sega reviving Virtua Tennis, at least those were fun because they were not seeking realism and the player knew it, they didn't expect much and that's 100 times better than calling your glitchy/unfinished game a simulator

I’m not being sarcastic when I say this, but Mario tennis is much better than any tennis game like top spin lol. The developers clearly don’t have any game development knowledge, probably little knowledge of the game, and it’s miserable and unrealistic to play. Mario tennis is at least constant playing and exciting to play, which is already better than any “real” tennis game

"Virus videos." Hahahahahahahahahahahah

why would you want a CHALLENGE SYSTEM on a tennis game? Challenge is already on its way out of real tennis with live hawk eye.

Top spin 2k25 is great

@andrews6341

10 күн бұрын

It really isn't . I bought it. All the surfaces play the same . They need to nerf the cheese tactics when people stack power especially when people play online. It looks good but not plays great. It was clearly rushed out despite the fact that the last one was in 2011 , i think it was just a copy and paste of ts4 so would not have taken them that long to get the game out .

@ST-mn6nw

10 күн бұрын

@andrews6341 at the end of the day it's all we've got on console, I understand what you're saying about the power and people cheesing the serve but there is ways you can counter it, the other tennis games are awful so I think top spin gameplay is pretty solid

You might be the only French person who at least tries to speak English😂🇨🇵❌🇬🇧

Just play tennis irl

@5ammy13

12 күн бұрын

Lol. You Sir, deserve an award for that comment.

Topspin always

Tiebreak has a lot of PROBLEMS! No way to be better than top spin! We know what bit ant do and nacom do too...we can no expect to much. Its clear that the game is not ready and will not be. Will be born with problems and die with them

The problem is they suck. Can’t tell me otherwise tennis don’t work in video games.

i tried all tennis titles and they are all disappointig also top spin 5 is disappointing, i made 70 winners and 1 unforced error in my last match that is a sci fi game not a tennis game, i really hope that one day someone will produce a tennis game like this kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIN-t5SkgtWxnJc.html

@machetegaming

11 күн бұрын

That looks 🔥🔥🔥

You guys do realize that Tiebreak comes out in August right? There’s no fking way they could completely change the core gameplay and add all the animations for all players to make it decent, even with games like Manor Lords or The Forest in EA they don’t completely change the gameplay but only add a few features, this is what you’ll get hahahah, plus “on the level of early Ps4 titles”, I remind you that InFamous Second Son and AC Unity came out in 2014, graphics in videogames have been beyond beautiful and almost photorealistic for many years now, in a tennis videogame where it should be the last thing you judge it’s pretty good.