Hello cult members. Here's the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:22 Why Nina’s Book Was Almost Not Published 05:10 Are Men More Powerful than Women? 11:15 Why People Fear & Distrust Men 23:03 Did #MeToo Trigger Man-hating? 31:48 Why Men Joined MGTOW 43:02 Does our Liberal Culture Satisfy Women? 49:08 What is the Purity Spiral? 1:01:30 What Women Want Vs What Society Wants 1:15:54 Masculine Traits We Need to Retain 1:24:35 Where to Find Nina

@paulfroelich1024

2 жыл бұрын

Nice work dude. Cool chick.

@LostinWesternSociety

2 жыл бұрын

Everything the PUA have taught young men were taught on the other side to women, to manipulate men and it was not only accepted but encouraged throuthout time. Manipulating men into behaviour women want is the epitome of a "healthy relationship". Everything about women's appearance is manipulating men, but this is not even acknowledged in this interview.

@jaik195701

2 жыл бұрын

@@williampearson6299 the west has been led into perdition by the Long March through the Institutions

@GuidetteExpert

2 жыл бұрын

I dont agree with her. Men according to data are less ambisious than women today and dont even care to improve or go get a educaiton. Women are more educated then men today.

@themountain3461

2 жыл бұрын

@@GuidetteExpert and what even is 'an education' anymore? You have to go to a government approved building full of government approved people to learn some subject that may or may not be beneficial to your financial situation and society? (you know I'm being overly simplistic, but still)

I am probably two generations older than our host. I just thought I would share a thank you to men. I took two buses to visit a beach across town. At the end of the bus line, I found three flights of steep outdoor stairs leading to the beach. I stood at the top looking and fearing going down. I saw a man approaching and wanted to ask for help, but was too embarrassed to ask. Luckily he OFFERED help and his arm! I was so grateful I cried!

@macmcleod1188

Жыл бұрын

And thank you for not biting his head off. It only takes about 1 person out of a hundred attacking people who offer to help to kill that kind behavior.

@thecultofjohnnydelr.soulsw7010

Жыл бұрын

Then the police 🚨 came and took him away.

Going to church, joining a gardening club, wanting to start a family - this is what counter-culture looks like these days.

@deathsquadron3311

2 жыл бұрын

This shows that the left is closer to winning the culture wars and the last time family actually existed was either the 50s or 80s then it died

@deathsquadron3311

2 жыл бұрын

@@bperez8656 we are in that transitional phase uncertain of our future... either its leads to temporary peace of war

@peterriggio9853

2 жыл бұрын

@@deathsquadron3311 I call bullshit! Go be around some real families before you make false claims

@deathsquadron3311

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterriggio9853 no gen z is what im talking about

@JB-io8ys

2 жыл бұрын

@@deathsquadron3311 Merry Christmas!

Any talk of masculinity crisis without mentioning endocrine disruptors and plummeting male testosterone levels is incomplete. This was a good, sane review of the socioeconomic aspects of the issue, though. Much appreciated! Sane women showcasing their sanity are, themselves, medicinal to the bitterness disenfranchised men have.

@genericname7020

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's a biochemical issue.

@hashooom994

2 жыл бұрын

The decline in testosterone could very much be a symptom OF a decline in their mental state due to them being labelled “useless” after the eruption of the knowledge economy, as she mentioned. Testosterone affects behaviour, but it’s also the other way around. It kind of all depends on perceived status and value a man has within his subgroup that also determines his place in the pecking order, then testosterone level’s itself accordingly.

@ahmarcamacho8404

2 жыл бұрын

I actually think that's minor, not enough to widely shift behavior. The real issue is the death of overt competition, that drops testosterone more than any endocrine disruptor could.

@themountain3461

2 жыл бұрын

@@ahmarcamacho8404 overt competition in which areas?

@normangoldstuck8107

2 жыл бұрын

@@hashooom994 You are correct. The 'plastics' theory and estrogen in the environment does not hold up as testosterone levels in women are rising, and estrogen in women is going down when they are exposed to the same environment.

Thank you for both for sharing. After being negatively labeled for subconsciously seeking out providers, I tried hard to show how independent, strong, and ambitious I could be. I never found office careers rewarding. I’m not a competitive person. I’m a homemaker now and I’m so happy. My flow state comes when I’m cooking, gardening, cleaning, etc. I wish I could have embraced this natural tendency years earlier instead of fighting against it. These messages are important.

"people don't have ideas, ideas have people" is a great way of describing things nowadays.

Im happily married and doing very well in life and relationships myself, but I think she discounts the size of the MGTOW movement. And its growing rapidly.

@bettermanchannel770

2 жыл бұрын

What information backs this, I'm not in agreement or disagreement

@garrusvakarian3451

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes. Many of them might probably never have heard of the word. They just know on an instinctual level to avoid the slave-contract.

@MandoMTL

2 жыл бұрын

@@bettermanchannel770 The abysmal marriage rates.

@wyleecoyotee4252

2 жыл бұрын

@@garrusvakarian3451 Many have heard about it and are avoiding the slave contract

@Xplora213

2 жыл бұрын

@@MandoMTL that’s a two way street. Women aren’t demanding marriage as much anymore for sex and babies. There is a big grey area that is not a positive or negative decision.

“It’s like all the worst parts of Christianity without the good bits.” Precisely. Great interview.

@krane15

Жыл бұрын

Your comment makes no sense. There is no worst part of Christianity.

@jasonmajere2165

Жыл бұрын

@@krane15worse part is human nature that use religions to justify terrible acts.

@krane15

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonmajere2165 Correction: MISuse. Yes, unscrupulous men have always used religion and faith for profit. But that's no excuse to dismiss the message altogether. You can tell a tree by its fruit.

@TheSpecialJ11

Жыл бұрын

​@@krane15 All ideologies/belief systems have corrupted offspring. What corrupted offspring tend to pop up varies by the values of said worldview. For Christianity that's a lot of victim complexes, holier than thou hypocrites, and original sin narratives, et cetera. Typically all mixed together at once. Just because in an ideal world Christianity has no downsides, doesn't mean this world isn't full of flawed humans whose actions are influenced by their Christian upbringing. I'd of course stake the claim that Christianity just modified their bad behavior, it didn't create it. So instead of them being hypocrites about honor and glory, they're hypocrites about moral fortitude and faith. But an avid atheist might argue that these people wouldn't have done this at all had they not been indoctrinated.

@megaloschemos9113

Жыл бұрын

​@@krane15💯💯

It’s been happening for decades. I was raised under 70s and 80s feminism and environmentalism which told me if I got married and had kids I’d be a slave of the patriarchy and destroy the planet. I was told that men were basically rapists in sheeps clothing and that they’d hit you if you put a foot out of line. I was forced to watch a video of a woman giving birth during biology class and it was horrific. I was terrified. And the boys were being taught exactly the same thing. A whole generation are now realising too late that we were duped as we watched mass immigration being justified because of our ‘low birth rate’ and I’m thinking hang on you TOLD us overpopulation was killing the planet!

@drewmonroe8586

Жыл бұрын

It's really just the sheeps being trampled over and then punching and shoving other sheeps so they're in a tight control of the shepherds. It's sad what the capabilities of greed and ignorance are, both complementarily destructive

I love that you asked her what polemical means. Whether you were fuzzy on the definition or just thought your audience might be, I have great respect for people who have the courage to ask a question that a more timid person might be afraid to ask because they didn't want to seem uninformed or whatever.

@bettermanchannel770

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir, it's that pride that keeps many of us uninformed

That one small thing in this interview is amazing. You admitted you didn’t know the meaning of a word and asked her to explain it. That is brilliant. You weren’t too cool to learn something new.

@friedfrawg

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, improving his perspicacity and his lexicon😂

I met lovely girl at 17 and married her at 21. But I wish I'd known more back then. Her family were toxic, it turned out there was a lot of mental issues and behavioural problems. At 40 she developed bipolar disorder like a couple of her cousins and our marriage fell apart. I had to divorce her in the end as the behaviour affected me, I lost my job, she wasted a lot of money, created scenes in public, ran away 5 times. Eventually both our GP and her psychiatrist laid it out for me and I filed for divorce to save myself. The writing was on the wall but neither I, nor my gentle decent parents, could read the signs. Now I have become very wary of women and sadly I find that in middle age most available women are just not worth my time as they rend to be snarky, indebted, have "issues", kids, ex in the background etc etc. It's very hard. Now I'm like Tony in Afterlife..just me and my dog.

@N0Xa880iUL

2 жыл бұрын

Well you've experienced a lot of life and it's true colors than many men of today are going to.

@yaziyeff2413

2 жыл бұрын

Same situation as you my friend. Then I married as nice Ethiopian woman and weve be been very happy for 11 yrs next month. Foreign women tend not to have all the culturally manufactured problems of Americans (Mental illness is almost a trend these days). My wife speaks her mind without a lot of guess work and antagonistic buzzwords and shes always happy to compromise for the good of our family, not just herself. Finding someone who shares my values has given me so much peace. Good luck to you my friend, hope you find the same.

@GDKLockout

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear of those troubles. Sounds terrible. My.first thoughts were, I hop you are joining men's groups, or a Sunday soccer league or something. Loneliness is a killer. 'all male' environments are very healthy when they are based around an activity. And the bond between men is worth pursuing.

@TheOlzee

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you’re gonna have to be quiet ruthless and relentless in the pursuit of a decent lady who’s a bit older. She’s out there but the hard part is finding her and you don’t do that without really pursuing it. Or live a nice life in other ways.

@eleveneleven572

2 жыл бұрын

@@GDKLockout Thanks. I am looking at outlets like interest groups. Being alone should not mean being lonely.

"What do men want?" The same thing any human person wants, to be loved, and respected, and listened to, and supported (emotionally). To have someone in their lives to make them feel worthy of existence. Not to be confused with 'validation', but rather to give them a reason to live, rather than an endless stream of excuses, or delusions.

@martinburrows6844

2 жыл бұрын

Quite a reasonable proposal. Im in.

@felixthecat4584

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@mrknarf4438

2 жыл бұрын

...and to be useful! To contribute! To be able to make your loved ones' lives better, to help them when needed! To run and play and fight and be free and capable and strong!

@sizlax

2 жыл бұрын

​@@mrknarf4438 ​ Yea sure, but just in none of the ways toted by American propaganda. Also, joy can be found in making other people's lives better, even if they aren't friends or family. Knowing that you've put something good into this world is never a bad feeling (unless you're a narcissist/sociopath). And 'be[ing] useful' should mean more than filling a generic position in a corporation, in order to make the wealthy elite, even richer than they already are. Cuz doing that is the same thing as renting a home instead of buying one. You're only contributing to someone else's dream, while never accomplishing your own, and also contributing to the issues of corporatized society. Be a unique mind, and think beyond the boundaries of what you've been told to think. And learn to be at least a little critical of the things that you're told. Just because the people that tell/told you things, are/were smarter than you, or even than most people, doesn't mean that they don't have biases, or even that they knew all they needed to know in order to claim their findings as 'factual'. So if you get even the slightest feeling that it's wrong, or doesn't quite sound right, then by all rights, you should look into it. Never devalue your own intelligence, that's what stupid people do (But also don't overestimate it, if you're not willing to put in the research, cuz it's even stupider people that do that). And share your unique wisdom and thought processes with those around you. This is the way to becoming a worthwhile part of society. I mean, we already have plenty of direct copies, fresh off the factory floor; trained, and educated to regurgitate political propaganda, and/or words from a 2000 year old book written by man. And those people have little to no value in our society. They will likely never accomplish anything unique, or do anything to even be remembered for. And most of what they say is just repetition of what we've already heard 1000 times over (Hence their favorite conversation type, is gossip).

@chrissavage1449

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrknarf4438 What a lovely fantasy.

Chris, you are by far one of the best interviewers I have ever listened to. You bring out the best in your guests, and your questions are always on point, and provide ground for more exploration and discussion. I love how some of your guests' eyes light up when they hear an interesting question that they actually have to answer for the first time. Great job man, keep it up!

@lacticaddictluke

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree

fantastic conversation. she is a breath of fresh air on this topic and brings great insights into these various topics. awesome!

@notsocrates9529

2 жыл бұрын

I'll pass. I am getting a JP vibe from this in the sense that it is selling me things that sound good but don't really help or change a thing. She is not wrong but I don't want or need a middle aged cat-mom giving me explanations.

@wannabecarguy

2 жыл бұрын

If you give up social media and watching TV. You wouldn't even know there was a problem.

@scroopynoopers9824

2 жыл бұрын

@@notsocrates9529 whoa, that was quite the response. I don't think it's fair to describe her that way.

@arminius504

2 жыл бұрын

@@wannabecarguy insane take

@notsocrates9529

2 жыл бұрын

@@scroopynoopers9824 Reality and truth are not fair things.

Honestly I love this channel so much. All the questions I want to talk to people about and learn about are the topics talked about here. Having some perspective and virtue and striving to give others the same is what I've gained from these videos. Thank you Chris, you're doing what needs to be done to make the world a better place.

It's good that people are finally realising the mess that we have created in this gender wars. Women are so ashamed of embracing their femininity, they are often told to be like men and to be feminine and want to have kids and raise a family means you are weak and not ambitious enough. For a long time I was in conflict with myself, but finally these issues are being raised and discussed. No wonder there's a pro feminine movement gaining traction teaching and reminding women that femininity is beautiful and has it's own strength. 🤟🤟🤟

@navijha122

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Exactly This. The true irony is that modern day culture (especially radical feminism) preaches that you have to be like men to be successful or that women are only celebrated for doing masculine things. I don't know how much more misogynistic you can get than that tbh. The past year or so I've grown to slowly appreciate my femininity and now I realize I love being a woman and embracing womanhood. I want to have a happy family one day and be homemaker because I would much rather be an irreplaceable wife and mother and care for my husband and children whom I will love and who'll love me dearly rather than be a wage slave at a 9-5 for some corporation who can and will replace me whenever they feel like it.

@hibatuadam2777

2 жыл бұрын

@@navijha122 good choice

@DarkWandererAU

2 жыл бұрын

@Dee well said!

@artofmybody2882

Жыл бұрын

@@navijha122 unfortunately the internet has made it very easy for your husband to replace u.. and / or cheat on you.. so I don't think there is a going back to the old way.. possibly new more balanced ways will need to b negotiated

@rockthevote398

Жыл бұрын

Nods, I've always found feminism to be insulting in many ways to my feminity, my motherhood, who I am.

Masculinity is the foundation of society, a culture without strong virile men is very susceptible to collapse. Strong men set and enforce direction.

@TarzanWannaBe7

2 жыл бұрын

And that is, partly, why it so readily acceptable to indulge in shaming any men who are less than the 'strong virile' ideal -- those dependent on them fear they won't be provided/protected for. Seeing the humanity of such men requires one to grow out of being infantile, which takes enormous moral courage.

@bettermanchannel770

2 жыл бұрын

As the Greeks derived the the word virtue from the Latin root word vir, meaning manhood/masculinity...part of being a strong virile man is having a moral compass. The strong man doesn't perpetually give handouts. But does reach a hand our for others to come along. What the beginning of America offered before the corruption of lifelong politicians the greed of corporations took over

@dorothyscott2536

2 жыл бұрын

power balances shift over decades. our wealthy societies were built by both luck and patriarchs seventy years ago. but now when opportunity knocks there's a good chance we 'll squander it (and other countries wont) because we lack a masculine presence grounding us to reality.

@wyleecoyotee4252

2 жыл бұрын

@@dorothyscott2536 It's time to take a new direction for the human race. 'Cuz we always done it this way' with patriarchy isn't necessarily a good reason to continue

@finnfinn2381

2 жыл бұрын

@Jose not so long for you we st ern ers. you took advantage of the world in wwi and wwii. now with strong competition, you are on the way down. enjoy that while you can.

I love her personality. Up to serious business but also light-hearted and friendly. Lovely.

Tagging feminism and mens rights in the same video… courageous.

@insomniacresurrected1000

Жыл бұрын

Williamson is milk toast establishment shit, and unlike us angry plebs is allowed on platform.

I think sometimes women harp on about hating men a bit like a closetted Catholic bangs on about how much he hates gays. Nina touches on this with her very insightful point about how our society promotes childlike psychology and behavior. I personally view the modern man-hating rhetoric through the lense of that assumption (amongst others). I read a quote from the Gottman Institute recently which said that beneath every criticism is a longing. The feminine instinctively longs for its highest expression, which includes surrender to the masculine that will make her feel deeply held, protected and loyally chosen. In our early childhood and teenage years we all experience varying degrees of rejection of those needs either from men (which makes us guarded towards the highest expression of the masculine), or from women (which makes us guarded towards the highest expression of the feminine) - or in most cases a combination of the two. If these wounds go unhealed, women become trapped in a bitter maiden archetype, whilst they desperately try to cover it up by appearing stronger than men, more powerful and grown up. Essentially trying to out-man men. In actual fact Freud's defense mechanism of reaction formation has taken place. Women fiercely defend an identity of hating that which they deeply desire - both in their own psyche and with a partner - which is functional integration of the masculine and feminine archetypes in their highest expression. This process keeps women trapped in a childlike way of relating, preventing them from maturing into partners who can make room for the masculine to offer its gifts to the world. A possible solution to healing this dynamic on an individual level is attachment therapy (Adam Lane Smith's episode has some great points on it!) Idk how we'd go about solving it on a population scale, and this is just my own theory of one of the contributing psychological factors to the whole #menaretrash moment we find ourselves in. But I really loved hearing a woman's perspective on this topic! It would be cool to have more female perspectives, or even a female co-host, for these kinds of discussions.

@kenyanicholas6809

Жыл бұрын

That’s a whole lotta word salad

@katieociardha2196

Жыл бұрын

I think this is a really good comment and deserved more likes

@danfinn3132

9 ай бұрын

Excellent ❤

About the last part, on how not catching feelings would make life easier, it would only make it easier in the short term, but very painful in the long term. Not taking risks means that you miss out on more than half of your life.

Constant rejection doesn’t necessarily make someone stronger. It can make you more numb and less sensitive or it can draw you down. A balance of rejection and acceptance is necessary to form a positive trajectory but this balance is lacking for many now it seems. I also think that the proportion of women disliking men and vice versa is growing all the time.

I was unintentionally taught by my single mother to hate and not trust men mostly because her first and only marriage went terribly wrong and she did everything traditionally correct. Its taking me the longest time to understand that it was her choice in a partner and not men in general.

This was an excellent guest and interview Chris. I wish this topic could have more conversations like this where we can actually talk about ideas and debate it rather than just say one view is right or wrong... Keep up the good work :)!

The masculinity of the top 1% is definitely not under attack. That should be a big clue.

Nofap is the key to the ignition. That's where my journey began, 13 months and I thought I could accomplish any task i set myself to do. If anything it exercises your motivation muscles.

@TheOlzee

2 жыл бұрын

So will eating very clean with zero junk food

@neoreign

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheOlzee U MAD?

@bettermanchannel770

2 жыл бұрын

It's called discipline and pouring energy into productivity

@N0Xa880iUL

2 жыл бұрын

@@bettermanchannel770 It's called Placebo. The mind body connection.

@bettermanchannel770

2 жыл бұрын

@@N0Xa880iUL agreed

its SO EASY to start hating "the other side" on these issues, but conversations like this really shows that there is some hope still. cheers for another awesome episode! always a pleasure

@Cybertech134

2 жыл бұрын

It's so easy to hate the other side because it is the other side that is clearly causing the problems. These middle of the road responses are lazy and pathetic

@1517the_year

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cybertech134 I just find people who go out to respond like you just did weird. Probably an incel.

@kingbernie4303

2 жыл бұрын

That kind of abysmal worldview was way more on the horizon circa 2017.... its good to see this kind of conversations because its the eventual push-back that was going to come. On the other hand, we are literally climbing into the computer, the way things are looking for Gen z... Id say we have 2-3 Generations after Alpha until the fundamentals of humanity on earth are uprooted, consciousness is going to be shifting over to the AI... I'm down, been through enough pain. We're gonna look back on this period as a death throe.

I grew up around the most violent thugs imaginable. I survived 15 years of horrifying violence. The a answer to almost all of life's problems is to give yourself the broadest possible worldview, and devote the rest of your life learning (backpacking around the world, sailing around the world, or relentlessly hiking, canoeing down rivers are very enjoyable ways to learn non stop). A broader worldview will give you more options, and a healthy disrespect for society's trends and beliefs... People who live a fulfilling life tend to live outside the mainstream... Best wishes all! Cheerio! 😃

@krane15

Жыл бұрын

You only need to understand the people around you. Not the whole world. He's the interesting part: we're all alike.

I was riding on a bus the other day. 🚌 A young woman in a wheelchair ♿ was waiting at the bus stop for a ride. The driver lowered the special built ramp, to allow her easy access to the bus. A young man appeared beside her, "Need some help?" She berated him: "Leave me alone". So he backed off. So I thought: probably the young man wanted to help, needed to feel useful. Another man probably invented the wheelchair she used, another man invented the motorized wheel chair ramp on the ramp. Now that she has all that help, she's free to tell men who want to help her to bugger off. 😆 *Men invented the modern world, modern economy that allowed women unprecedented freedom and opportunity. I guess that frees up women, to tell men to bugger off.*

@HereTakeAFlower

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe a man ran over her legs.

@TimBitts649

2 жыл бұрын

@@HereTakeAFlower Yeah, maybe.

@TimBitts649

2 жыл бұрын

@@cantbendknee no

@TimBitts649

2 жыл бұрын

@@cantbendknee Never said I did. You pretended I said that. Quit pretending things. I was pretty clear I was just saying what I saw, I was thinking about what does it mean? Learn to read accurately. It helps in life. Like everything in life, there is more to every story than meets the eye. I know that.

Man like, I've had some messed up experiences with my life in terms of women turning me down, but the best ones are when they just say "No" because that means I can move on. I HATE being ghosted more than being directly turned down, it's a waste of time.

Fantastic guest! I know now what i will buy for myself as my birthday gift! Her book is exactly what i need as single mother of two boys. Recently I overdose reading and watching men point of view on masculinity. It is very refreshing to listen to such a objective approach with finding middle ground in mind as end goal

When the RP/manoshpere points out problems with women there is an element of catharsis. But its not just about venting. Its about understanding the world so you can effectively operate within it. "Persistence without insight will produce the same results."

@crystalroche2168

2 жыл бұрын

@@fiveleavesleft6521 thats an interesting take.

@34 mins, Chris is far too young to perhaps know this but homosocial grouping such as men's clubs (Elks Lodge, Moose Lodge, Poker clubs, the list is endless) and women's clubs (knitting circles, quilting clubs, women's book clubs, the list is endless) provided a balance and a flavor to life. Notice that Chris immediately jumped to the idea that men together would usurp power and exclude women. That comment betrays the reality of his age but I wish Chris would spend more time talking to much older men and women. If he would talk with 70 year olds, for example, he'd expand his horizons. I'm 57 but I always gravitated to older people for conversation when I was younger because I wanted a view of the past that was 'real' rather than reading about it in a book. In my humble view, one of the problems with life in 2022 is that, as a society, we've given up the idea of "men's space" and "women's space." Men and women don't want to spend every minute together, it's nice to take a break and hang out with folks of the same gender. Nina alluded to this when she suggested that men might think of themselves as a "class of people: men." That was a profound comment that seemed to be lost on Chris.

@rejectionisprotection4448

2 жыл бұрын

Very insightful comment.

@MLR400

2 жыл бұрын

We need to get back to this as society. But at this point I think it is too late. I am a Gen-X'r and all of my mentors throughout my life have been older men including my father.

@MLR400

2 жыл бұрын

As teenager growing up my father would take me with him on the weekends where cards and/ or dominoes with other men in his age group. Many timed I would listen to the men talk about their experiences in everything. Sometimes they would ask me what I would do in certain situations. Obviously I didn't know being that young. But the wisdom that was shared with me was timeless and has guided me through life.

@andreahelm7981

Жыл бұрын

I've just now listened to this podcast and have enjoyed the comments - your point about "old-fashioned" clubs is well taken! I remember my mom and aunts mildly poking fun at entities like the Junior League and the Woman's Club (maybe these are southern traditions?) but now that I am a middle-aged lady myself, I love the idea of well meaning ladies of the community gathering together for enrichment and entertainment! But these elements of respectability and so called entitlement are anathema to most of today's society.

@philodonoghue3062

9 ай бұрын

Since the 70s, women have invaded and occupied men’s spaces but retained their own so men have no spaces for camaraderie

Very interesting conversation. I’m not sure I agree with her view on capitalism as a whole but she makes valid and thought provoking points throughout this talk, Good conversation - thanks.

@michaellamont2605

2 жыл бұрын

Capitalism - The voluntary exchange of goods and services

I really enjoyed this Chris. Thank you so much for introducing us to Nina. I'm going to try and get a hold of her book. Top stuff!

She makes a great point about getting an attractive high paying job being the top goal in society for men or women. Wanted that for so long and after i achieved it, a feeling of numbness set in. I wanted a new challenge.

@russelljconquerslifehawkey

2 жыл бұрын

Start a lawn cutting business that’s what I am doing

@marcuslong9761

2 жыл бұрын

@@russelljconquerslifehawkey Congrats man. Love seeing ppl move towards business ownership.

@russelljconquerslifehawkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcuslong9761 thank you 🙏

@VaultBoy1776

2 жыл бұрын

Great points, for certain.

@Xplora213

2 жыл бұрын

@Jose society is the definition of a group of people who agree about culture and values. It’s a great goal. You want to get paid more than less 💡 should you sacrifice everything to get it? No. Society doesn’t say that’s a good thing either.

She is wrong about the "need" for communities of men to come together and support each other: they already exist. However, if one listens to the messaging, these spaces are constantly demonized as being bastions of toxic masculinity, and it is the constant lying about men and the spaces they inhabit that needs to stop. Look at the messaging around gyms for example. Men going to gyms are invariably described as roided up meatheads who are constantly perving on women and blathering bro-science about supplements and anatomy. Then there's the cherry on top of that crap sundae with the "pro-fat" people describing any pursuit of health and fitness as bordering on genocide. No gym I have been to fits that description. They have always been super friendly, supportive environments. Yes, there is the occasional douche, but that's life in any space.

@XXXX-yc6wv

2 жыл бұрын

@@OrwellsHousecat Absolutely agree. I'm lucky in that I have a support network, but I know some men don't. The question must then be asked, if these men aren't bad people, but they are constantly told they are, at what point do they lose the resilience to be strong against that narrative and simply embrace it? Simply put: what responsibility does the media have to accept in actually fostering that psychopathic behavior? I think quite a lot of responsibility. The narrative is gaslighting some men into becoming the very thing they want to use as proof the that such men exist, and justify the argument that all men are capable of being that thing.

@theperfectbeing

2 жыл бұрын

The feminist initiatives have been actively seeking to destroy any institution or group that is a "boys club", even if those groups had no impact on the women at all. Anything that promotes healthy masculine interactions between men has massive negative stigmas associated with it. The funniest part is that first thing women do once they are able to gain access to those spaces, is interject sexuality and immediately tilt the men into competing with each other for their attention and ruin a lot of the cohesion that existed. They essentially destroy the "brotherhood" aspect of it. Of course no one on the left would ever admit that, despite it being a very basic understanding of human interpersonal dynamics.

@ryanscott6578

2 жыл бұрын

The "pro-fat" shit is a very fringe viewpoint in society. You won't find many people outside of Twitter and TikTok who subscribe to that view of fitness bordering on genocide.

@XXXX-yc6wv

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanscott6578 you're right, that concept is still rather fringe, although with the number of publications promoting the "healthy at any size" narrative, one wonders how long before it is mainstream. My general point was that the mainstream belief is simultaneously that there are no supportive male spaces and that the male spaces that exist are toxic environments - both statements couldn't be further from the truth. As usual, the mainstream narrative about this stuff is BS no matter which angle you look at it from.

@annarboriter

Жыл бұрын

As soon as a men's communities forms. it gets labelled as misogynist by feminists. And then when it becomes influential and productive, feminists complain that they are excluded from the group's benefits to members

I've found many interesting topics and people on your podcast Chris! Thank you for bring these people on here! :)

Chris, I'm binging on your podcast, excellent work you've done, and are doing - keep it up! I wanted to share my own experience as a woman who has done the asking first - which I don't mind doing at all, but after my experience I now have chosen to never do that asking first again. That initial "courtship" move sets the tone for the rest of the relationship. No matter how serious the feelings are, long term goals, core value alignment, talks of marriage, kids, etc. - for the 3 of the relationships where I 'made the first move', I was always the initiator for anything outside of sex - to go out on a date, to go somewhere, to do something, hiking, dancing, etc - even though the guy was active and motivated, and doing his own thing - it was always me who had to say 'let's do something special together'. I was never surprised, nothing was ever spontaneous, and I felt like I was dragging the relationship by the end. There was also never a real discussion about exclusivity or "making if official" (I'm millennial cusper who operates like gen x). I brought it up and it was a "whatever you want" answer - I was the dominant one, even though they were alpha male types. I may fall into the high IQ category where I also give the impression that I am super independent materially and emotionally and will ask for what I want and need, and will control my own schedule, therefore all the guys respected me and didn't want to interfere with my success and schedule - but it became exhausting as a woman, to always do the 'hunting'. Even when I stepped back for some time, there was a general holding pattern until either I ghost totally and he asks what's going on, to which I suggest (in many version) "I'm waiting on you" - and they respond, 'well you're busy, don't want to interfere' and throw back the choice onto me. So by me asking him(them) out, it set the precedent that I am always there, granted, and should I stray, they shrug and say, well that was fun - because there was that first impression of them never going to have the chance to be the provider. I firmly believe that females ought never to pursue - literally never - however they should know the art of flirt (as should men, but more so women because that's the way to keep a man long term, mystery, intrigue, etc to always activate novelty to trigger hunting instinct). If a female makes the first move, the man will then always fall back on the internal arguement, well she wanted me first I just went with it - so she gets what she asked for. This totally removes any responsibility or even need for investment, which is the only thing that will keep a male motivated long term, is how much he's invested into the relationship up front, since he doesn't have the female chemistry that creates long term bonds. PS - after 60, men cycle back into their 20's if they don't have a family or grandkids to teach or feel valued by (again, stimulating novelty) - that's why many older men also stray or get divorced, because chemically they never 'bonded' and instinctually their kids have survived long enough to reproducing age, and if there's no family business, there's zero attachment, because the initial investment has paid off.

Chris, can you do an episode on the educational institutions, (especially colleges) pushing socialism and communist ideas to the students?

@aliertufekci1993

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea! Get James Lindsay on for this.

@michaellamont2605

2 жыл бұрын

OMG YES. I want 1 on Klaus Shwab, George Soros funding!

Thanks for having Nina on. Never heard of her before. Brilliant and charming woman.

Nina power is a saint, refreshing to know that people like her are still out, fighting for our rights when we’ve lost our way by serving our communities far past our physical limitations. My spine is literally falling apart , along with everything & everyone in my life and this video saved me in more than a few ways . God bless

I loved the way you kept framing your discussion to remind us that we are all part of the whole and our courage to do good and our love for each other is what we have forgotten… yet is who we are at our core

I loved this episode, loved Nina and am definitely going to look up her book! It‘s always nice to hear a female perspective on this topic. Thanks Chris

great episode. love listening to your guys' point of view on these issues.

Great interview. I am continually impressed by your ability to ask a short, concise and insightful question and your laudable willingness to let your guest answer at length. Your willingness to admit that you don't have all the answers and any to find out more. Top notch!

Thanks for these podcasts Chris. Helping me through the daily grind that is life.

I see my nephews and their friends make certain never to be alone with a girl. They only go on group dates and hang out in groups because they know damn well what can happen otherwise. Your guest may think it's being cowardly or stupid, but actually it's self preservation.

@Teal_Seal

2 жыл бұрын

As a woman, I agree with your nephews. Unfortunately.

@tipperarymick5337

2 жыл бұрын

@@Teal_Seal It's a sad state of affairs. A small number of men and women have caused an awful lot of pain. I feel sorry for the younger generation, it's a minefield.

Going against culture today: practicing stoicism. Practicing a martial art. Protecting my wife and children from harm. Standing up to tyranny, opression and the attack on free speech and basic human rights. Going my own way, discarding technology if it is superfluous. Being of service to elders, disabled or disadvantaged children. Serve in the military. Being proud to be a man. Reading books and listening to real music, educating myself. Respecting men, women, queer, trans or whoever equally. Being loving and friendly most of the time, but being a ruthless fighter if threatened. Summing up: Living old values. Thats me.

She is brilliant! absolutely loved listening to her carefully constructed thoughts and analysis, will be buying her book

Really good one @Chris Williamson. Thanks for doing this. I'm going to order Nina's book today.

Great, refreshing conversation. I was one of those radical feminists you mention, (in the’80s for me). I believe our ideology caused a lot of damage to the natural relationship between men and women. I have a different perspective now. In fact, what has been more satisfying than anything else has been being a mother and grandmother, loving my man, making a home, and being creative. I’m a post-second wave feminist non-feminist.

@vklnew9824

2 жыл бұрын

You do realize the damage done is irrevocable

@Samuraixlp

2 жыл бұрын

If you care about the damage caused by the ideology, then you should try to be a voice of reason to younger women. Men simply cannot undo the damage by themselves.

@susanfrisby3762

2 жыл бұрын

@@Samuraixlp absolutely agree

@susanfrisby3762

2 жыл бұрын

@@fiveleavesleft6521 you're right, I think, it would be great to hear more women speak about this other perspective. I've not heard any ex-second wave feminists voice similar views to mine. That's why I spoke up here. I understand why you might say that men are not allowed a voice in the west, however, some men are doing it anyway, and I'm sure they will increase in numbers.

Another great interview Chris with another very interesting guest, thanks.

That was a great discussion. Thank you both for shedding some light on these topics.

Just my experience: Men know their limits, when it comes to fights or arguments. There was (and maybe is) an unwritten code that you don't touch family and destroy lives in fights. But angry women who have tasted power will basically not think before destroying a life. And yes, there are powerful men who break the code, but these are the type of men the women get attracted to because of their hypergamous nature. So I'm like, wtf!

@TarzanWannaBe7

2 жыл бұрын

"Women’s false sense of entitlement to physical security prompts them to escalate inherently unsafe circumstances.." - Rollo Tomassi

@emiliosnic

2 жыл бұрын

@@TarzanWannaBe7 spot on!!

@Macheako

2 жыл бұрын

@@TarzanWannaBe7 whose fault is that...... really? we are *literally bigger than them* .....

@TarzanWannaBe7

2 жыл бұрын

@@Macheako "fault", haha.

@sarahrobertson634

2 жыл бұрын

@Nodge Sinisborat That makes me happy. In order to destroy men, women have to take hostages.

Brilliant interview! I could listen to Nina talk all day - she's a very intelligent and articulate person.

@michaellamont2605

2 жыл бұрын

She's certainly a rarity

@tinamenon1593

2 жыл бұрын

Agree shes the new Alan De Botton....

I feared rejection in my teens but once I realized it was a numbers game I had more dates than I could handle. Working in a female dominated field really helped.

@DarkMuj

Жыл бұрын

wait you try and get dates at work? that is bold

Great episode, very refreshing and an extremely important array of subjects.

What I like about Chris Williamson when he covers mens issues is it’s always from a perspective of discovery and understanding instead of complaining, finger pointing and vitriol like I see on so many other mens channels, while he acknowledges problems within the current day woman he doesn’t condemn them all. Keep up the good work Chris!

@BulletPointFitnessPodcast

Жыл бұрын

His method is called Socratic Questioning. It's very clever and a learned skill that takes time

At roughly the 40min mark when the conversation with Jordan Peterson was brought up where he said the problem isn’t the women having too high expectations, it’s the men and their need to self improve my question is why can’t it be both? The 80/20 rule is a thing, which they themselves even acknowledged. Which means that even average women are part of that equation. I argue that they make up a majority of said equation. So even if men self improve, whether we do/don’t reach the level of the top 20 then our options will still be limited to what? The average women who didn’t want us when we were in the exact same position they currently still are? Men certainly need to self improve and should solely do so for ourselves, but a lot can certainly be said for the often absurd expectations levied against us. That’s not necessarily to say that women should lower their expectations per say, but to be realistic about what they can pull given whatever their circumstances are. More conversations need to be had regarding the clear lack of humility amongst today’s modern women. Social media and dating apps have all but eroded the humility once held by women.

@blablablayahoo

2 жыл бұрын

Self-improvement is a scam. I did it all. I got a STEM degree, I worked out for 10+ years, I had large circles of friends, I took care of my body. It was all for naught. The three things that matter to me is to have something to do, to hope for and to love. None of those things were achieved by being a part of the rat race. I now live as a parasite and play world of warcraft and feel more fullfilment than I ever did pretending to be a part of society.

When men say "not all men", we're not trying to escape blame. We're trying to make people understand that it is indeed a very specific subset of men and that they're a threat to _everyone_ and we really don't know what to do about them. Men are taught to behave properly, by and large, with certain allowances for the kinds of risk-taking snd disagreeableness that are necessary for male success. The problem is that no set of rules or morals will ever be universally absorbed and practiced. Some men are simply broken in a way that cannot be fixed.

@harrypike5140

2 жыл бұрын

100%. I have had so many discourses with women about this which always end in the same way. There seems to be a universal reluctance from liberal / feminist / woke women (a surprisingly large contingent in this day and age) to resign to the truth that most men are good, or at least, try to do good. The reality is, the average man is not a rapist or murderer, yet if you speak to these women, you'd believe that this was the case. Indeed, the protection of women from evil man has always historically fallen into the hands of good men. However, with the constant finger-pointing from women towards us that we are all, as a gender in totality, somehow to blame for the immoral actions of a few, I feel that many men have simply peaced-out from bothering to stand up for women and protect them at all. They've gotten tired of the blaming and chastising and have disengaged altogether. Why bother putting your neck out for someone who condemns you for things you'd never do? Which then puts women in an even tougher spot because many of the sort of men who'd be looking out for their safety in previous generations dgaf anymore and ignore the whole situation altogether.

This was great! I'm looking forward to reading her book now.

What you discussed at the end is quite profound. Suffering is kinda a big equilizer, if you will. Everyone, regardless of their sex, race, upbringing, economic status - everyone suffers and we all are equal in this aspect. So instead of victimizing ourselves or trying to win the suffering olympics by ranking certain "pains" we should come together in our painful experiences as humans. Everyone feels lonely, lost or broken at some point at that is a beautiful thing to connect over. If it is inevitable, then it must be a part of life and not something to avoid. If you cannot live without breathing: you must breathe - same concept I think. That's why I like to connect to others through their suffering, because no matter who they are, I can relate to some extend. I might be in a completely different walk in life, but still can understand what they might've been going through, that's unifying

Chris you are on fire lately keep it up

Thanks for this, it's a great conversation! The funny thing is, there would be a shrill and terrible outcry if a man wrote a book in 2022 critiquing modern society's approach to femininity and womanhood, but as a man I am absolutely interested in hearing a woman's perspective on masculinity.

This a wonderful way to spend 1.5 hours. Really enjoyed this episode!

She is fantastic! And CW is fantastic for hosting such amazing guests!

Women have issues, men have issues, both deserve sympathy/empathy. Denigrating men is bad, also denigrating women is bad. Caring about principals supersedes oppositional binary. We need interdependence not antipathy between the sexes. It’s really nice to hear grown ups talking. ☺️

@elitecoder955

Жыл бұрын

​@@yellowbrand3524but don't men have better lifestyles when they are married? I heard somewhere that men live longer when they are married.

man your podcasts are so good. These are a great addition to society

I really enjoyed this, and it helped me to formulate some of my thinking. Thanks Nina and Chris 👍

I'd be very interested to hear a conversation between Nina and Carl Benjamin.

@Xplora213

2 жыл бұрын

She’d be very uncomfortable, he’s quite strident these days.

@johnc2802

2 жыл бұрын

@@OrwellsHousecat lol your username made me chuckle

@jjm152

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like for as much common ground as they would have on some issues, Carl has essentially become a post-Liberal, or at least advocating for post-liberalism ideas and even if she saw that they were right, the problem with her addressing post-liberal ideas is that they are often more confronting than conservative ideas. Like, if you were to ask in regards to the issue of women struggling with raising a family or working, what a post liberal would say, I can guarantee that it wouldn't just be "Well, the women ought to stay home", it would be something more like "We should encourage women through special privilege's or economic incentives to get married, stay married, stay home and raise children for the good of society and themselves". The above sounds horribly sexist to a liberal, but to a post liberal it's more like - We are facing a demographic collapse and to forestall it instead of having children, we are engaging in a modern form of imperialism to suck talented people from poor nations and turn them into cab drivers and nurses here. In addition, the wellbeing of children needs to be paramount and we know that divorce and having a working mother limit childrens economic opportunity, educational obtainment and social development, or in some cases even leads to anti-social behavior, so all of this is just necessary if we don't want to have a collapsing society filled with dysfunctional criminals. This is basically where Carl is these days. Like I said, a lot of people would say it's sexist, but it's hardly that, if anything it's just applying the most obvious traditional solution to a modern malady. However it's almost impossible to have a conversation with a liberal about any of this since it throws their idea of progress into disarray. Succinctly - I don't think it'd be a productive conversation.

Power is such a sharp thinker thanks for having her on

Great guest. Loved it and her. Thanks both of you.

Excellent interview! Thank you for the intelligent content. 🙏

So happy to hear her. I love her nuanced understanding and explanation of things.

Why do I love her BOOKSHELF so much... with the interleaved stack of papers??

beautiful. very insightful and helpful. worth rewatching. thank you

Great conversation, thoughtful and nuanced

Say what you want about Pick Up Artists. But when I was into that topic, it was not about "faking" being someone else, but always a way of "how to portray the best image of you". How to tell your experiences in an interesting and positive way. HOW to approach women and deal with anxiety of approaching them. It was shamed and the narrative was that people would become robots. But actually, I always thought it would help people getting more creative and playful in that field. If I would approach people with the only goal of getting the other persons number, than the fear of rejection is so much more intense and defeating if I dont get the number. But when I enter a conversation playful and for the joy of it, because I want to be the clown, the entertainer, whoever, then I can also have my own fun even without the "goal" that other people see, that have not tried it out. And as Im living in Germany and have lived several months in other countries (e.g. Peru and Brazil): The dating culture in Germany, US and Britain is SO MUCH more frustrating and put men at a disadvantage. In Brazil, it seems far more like a common interest between men and women. Actually, all friends that know about this were mindblown. You get approached as a guy. Your gestures and offers are appreciated (really, not just with a phrase but actual appreciation). While back home, it is taken for granted. There are other problems, don't get me wrong! But it saddens yourself to see, how unfair and unnecessary this whole thing has become. Another inside: Looks and portrayable status does matter. Goethe once wrote "Only the superficial is not superficial". I completely accept that a woman seeks a guy that can afford a family and is competent in raising one. However: In my experience, the girls are mostly the ones that have not cultivated skills that benefit this world view and the idea of shared responsibilities. I know more guys who have started cooking because they started going to the gym (=healthy nutrition) and are more decent cooks than most girls. They strive for good jobs, are more interested in financial oppurtunities and so many guys that I know do a top game in cleaning their own appartments. Now my question: If I have become an autonome and highly competent machine that is nice to look upon: Why do I need you? What can you possibly bring to the table? The more you argue, that everything should be equal and you don't want to "enslave" yourself, the more you demonise possible gestures of warmth that can create a home.

@GreenBroccoli100

2 жыл бұрын

@@fiveleavesleft6521 Religion, that's how. Over the past several years, after research and living through my own experiences, and interacting with a variety of people through all walks of life. I've just come to a realization that modern society is truly screwed if we continue to allow people to do whatever they want without the consequences of their actions, especially since we don't teach women accountability and responsibility for their own behavior. All morals and values have gone out the window, considering societies were based off some sort of religious values/belief systems, that's how societies were founded. There is a reason why religion helped to some degree to put a stop on the 'selfish gene' or instinctual behaviors which we still haven't been able to evolve from, women and men had to do their due part and make sacrifices/compromises for the sake of each other, their families and society in general. Now this push for individualism and consumerism in post modern countries has made people treat each other as objects/utilities. Many people have abandoned religion (I'm not religious myself) but I have understood now that at least religion brought in stability in other areas. It may have been at the expense of freedom and individuality. But everything comes at a cost..

@UnlistedAccount

2 жыл бұрын

Women are against helping men, or men helping themselves, like P.U.A. because it makes it harder for them to select. They will do whatever it takes to select the best men for themselves, even tell men to just be yourself and not improve. Not having a good idea on how female hypergamy works has really screwed over modern men.

@annarboriter

Жыл бұрын

Feminists demonize PUA techniques not because they dislike being lied to, but because they don't like admitting that they enjoy being lied to. The admission reminds them of their own deceptive nature

*If you are reading this, never ever give up. Things might seem tough and confusing, but if you keep your goals in sight and work hard, success is inevitable* *Great Stuff!*

@ivanvidojevic2461

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro

Chris Williamson! One of the most Stoic, respectful, kind hearted, grounded, intelligent Leaders I've so far been blessed to witness on Earth Today. From Down here in WA (Western Australia), I truthfully want to Thank you :) Your awesomely, Powerfully Potent work is absolutely undoubtedly Contagious, in the best most greatest of ways 🙏

@finnjuniperdenaro

Жыл бұрын

TRANSAGRESSION - Transitioning away from aggressive interactions between the people of earth!

Absolutely brilliant perspective ! 👏 Wholeheartedly agree with Nina. Thank you 😇

Nina Power speaks sense! “I don’t have children, but that should be rare, not the norm.” Hear hear.

if you are going to keep talking about the RP space why not interview people from the community? They aren't hard to find

@Samuraixlp

2 жыл бұрын

He won't lol

@kaiserpuppydog7174

2 жыл бұрын

The audience might discover that the ideas they now discuss have been out there quite a while. Could be embarrassing to acknowledge they are just now getting around to considering them.

Lovely conversation, thank you both.

This is my favorite episode so far! Now I want to read her book. Thanks, Chris! 👏👏

Jordan Peterson's "You're the common denominator" argument simply blames men for not being that Chad that every woman wants, rather than blaming women for only seeking Chad. The hypergamy argument remains convincing.

@andrewu2480

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, shit is such nonsense. It's your fault you aren't in the top 5% of men, like that is a widely achievable goal.

@bradwhitt6768

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewu2480 All men could achieve it but then the top 5% would move higher. It's not that men aren't achieving it's that women aren't ever satisfied. They always want more. That's the problem. Women are miserable before relationships and are miserable during them. The reason they are miserable is that they act like men and it's not natural.

@JPEight

2 жыл бұрын

What’s easier, to change the biological nature of every woman on the planet, or do a bit of self improvement? Real men don’t play the victim (even when they are one) - that’s what Dr Peterson is trying to teach people. Nobody is disagreeing that women are often unreasonable, but you can’t change that so focus on what you can.

@andrewu2480

2 жыл бұрын

@@JPEight Lmao thanks tips

@andrewu2480

2 жыл бұрын

@@JPEight People can do personal improvement and still criticize how things are. There's no reason I can't become a "hvm" whatever that shit is. I sit in the top percentile in height and other traits chicks seem to value and I still wouldn't want the risk, that real women are. If a enough men begin thinking that way society is toast, and many men are thinking that way, doesn't matter whether you rail against it by declaring what a real man is and isn't. Society is s contract and when contracts are shit people don't sign them and that's what a "real man" is, it's someone who looks out for himself instead of naively getting himself into trouble with commitments that aren't his to make.

Her comment about how men should start viewing themselves as a class called "men" somewhat betrays her actual unfamiliarity with masculinity. Men don't see themselves naturally as part of any collective, particularly *influential men* do not see themselves that way. If anything, this is an inherently feminine viewpoint. It's likely also the reason why women are typically treated as a class by society rather than individuals, it's a case of cultural norms being dictated by innate sexual differences in how the genders conceptualize their state of being. Basically she's asking for something that's rather impossible. I don't see how that's supposed to help at all. Also, men being responsible for 95% of all violence is a joke, right? That's simply not true. The genders are actually much closer than this in terms of general violence, it's only at the extremes of violent activity that men dominate and likely this has to do with ability more than anything else.

@brandonburnham7831

2 жыл бұрын

She can’t even help but blame men, 95% of all violence and she has a straight face

@didles123

2 жыл бұрын

I actually suspect that male solidarity is being actively discouraged by both the left and the right, and society used to be able to cultivate it for the sake of prosperity. I mean, consider that feminist used to accuse men of being "male chauvinist pigs". Chauvinism basically means patriotism, which in the context of sex would translate to male favoritism or male solidarity. So many men (and women) today want to complain about how other men are pathetic, but they simultaneously want to absolve themselves of any responsibility to help other men improve.

@craigmunday3707

Жыл бұрын

I will consider men a class as a solution to violence when she has a solution to stop mother's killing their children

@annarboriter

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, she wants men to copy what has led to the trend of women's unhappiness. I didn't hear much depth in her analysis other than highlighting her displeasure with the status quo, and bemoaning why other aren't solving her problems and those of women generally

Thanks for an interesting conversation. I enjoyed hearing her (especially) views and thoughts on this topic. 👍💜

Thank you so much for this video ive learnt a lot....❤❤❤

Her communitarian ideas about men being part of a class that ought to, in her view, seek to take collective responsibility for one another is nonsense.

@theperfectbeing

2 жыл бұрын

Those type of ideas only work if the societal framework rewards men for their self sacrifice and interjection. Society had harsh standards for men but it also rewarded them accordingly with control, respect and personal fulfillment. Those type of things only work with that unspoken collective agreement within a community that everyone innately understands. If Hypergamy is not controlled it will destabilize any community regardless of scale. Women act in completely instinctual manner regarding partner selection and rewarding stereotypical behaviors. Those things had a very necessary function in our ancestral past but now with technology make everything go completely off the rails. Controlling women's sexuality was the only way to temper male violence pre tech era. That's the entire reason organized religion functions so efficiently at producing cohesive large scale societies, both those controls are bounded within a set of rules that allow family units to flourish. It's not a coincidence the in third world countries or any time in our ancestral past, that the number of single, unpartnered and unhopeful men directly correlated with the level of instability and violence in those nations. Polygamy always leads to instability and female mate selection preference is a polygamous one by default.

@marjorie4310

2 жыл бұрын

Collectives, anti capitalist, class consciousness, group responsibility….she’s backed out of one or two bits of modern Marxist education, so the purists try to cancel her but she hasn’t shaken all the brain washing yet.

The question about men and violence can largely be answered be a quick background check on each man (who has committed such violence). I can guarantee that at least 90% of “these” men will have been raised only by their mothers, with little or again in most cases, zero male role model. Much of the social disaster we’re all suffering now, and certainly the reality that 80% of the prison population are men raised only by women, stems from the catastrophic and total breakdown as a result of women raising children on their own. Which they cannot. Women are disastrous at raising children on their own.

@palynch7459

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, didn't realise that stastic

@xxcelr8rs

2 жыл бұрын

When Jezabel makes up victim BS to cops, who do they always arrest? They will give themselves bruises to get the house. If it's a pattern yeah beware. But quick background check with a ding on it isn't the whole story. Legal system is completely against men. Divorce, child visitation, all yo money.

@UnlistedAccount

2 жыл бұрын

Look up the statistics about how children in single father households do better than in single mother households.

@xxcelr8rs

2 жыл бұрын

@@UnlistedAccount 19 out of 20 fill the jails from fatherless homes.

@MLR400

2 жыл бұрын

Let's not forget intimate partner violence, (IPV), where the woman kills/ injures her boyfriend/ husband. In America our law enforcement is trained on the "Believe all women" mindset aka the Duluth Model Protocol, (look it up for yourself). Because it is believed that men are more violent towards women. A common trope that is constantly regurgitated in America.

Great podcast Chris, thank you so much for the enlightenment.

Thanks Chris for having these conversations. Having had a court system that has worked to demasculate as well as an abusive woman do the same, it gives me hope to be a man having gone through that. I am glad someone is discussing the crisis among men. In a world that tells us we are horrible or worthless, these discussions need to keep happening. It is awesome that women are getting in the game to fight for men on this.

Her thinking is unfortunatelly too polluted by communism to bring many useful insights.

@TarzanWannaBe7

2 жыл бұрын

The female temperament is innately communitarian. It's an epigenetic consequence or childcare. Not a good instinct for running an economy.

@andrewu2480

2 жыл бұрын

@@TarzanWannaBe7 Precisely the problem with the 19th.

@TarzanWannaBe7

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewu2480 And elsewhere. See Trudeau. Haha

@martinburrows6844

2 жыл бұрын

@@TarzanWannaBe7 could that explain the modern approch to psychotherapy is feelibgs/ humanistic. Whereas older psychotherapy was male/fact based.

@TarzanWannaBe7

2 жыл бұрын

@@martinburrows6844 ^^Yes, definitely. That and the mental heath industry & the academe that feeds it is a coven.

22:57 Men do not abandon their kids. Women initiate 75% of divorces and break up the family.

An incredibly fascinating conversation between two lovely and agreeable persons.

I really enjoy your conversations. thank you

I think the issue is that both men and women want their partner to make them feel whole. Which is a basically impossible goal. First, you have to find your wholeness and then you can share that with someone else happily.

@eesynopsis7393

2 жыл бұрын

That's an excellent point!

@Xplora213

2 жыл бұрын

You are supposed to find wholeness in your marriage... that’s why you stay with them. And you are supposed to move forward and create that wholeness together. Some people want their partner to resolve their mental illness issues, and that’s a very similar thing but it’s clearly not the same. If you are truly fulfilled, you don’t need other things... but I wanted kids, I wanted a relationship, and those things cannot be found as a whole person because they are fundamentally “need someone else to help” concepts.

@eesynopsis7393

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xplora213 Would you feel completely lost/empty without a partner and children? I'm genuinely curious. What are your thoughts? You make some good points.

@Macheako

2 жыл бұрын

bruh I'm just trying to FEEL her HOLE 😂😂😂

@matefazekas3107

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xplora213 I understand where you’re coming from. But has that belief ever actually helped you? If not, maybe it’s worth a shot to try to let it go