*Do you think this idea is a) crazy or b) really crazy?*

@ubergeek1968

2 ай бұрын

It is a damned good idea.

@Epic_Egg

2 ай бұрын

Really crazy

@Deedeemegadoodoopoocoo

2 ай бұрын

B

@josephharrison5639

2 ай бұрын

It’s a great idea both Washington and oregon ignore the population outside of the I-5 corridor

@Deedeemegadoodoopoocoo

2 ай бұрын

If the counties want it then good for them but only if Alaska annexes the rest lol

As an Idahoan I want a new flag lol

@the.mr.schrader

2 ай бұрын

We Need A New Flag

@Epic_Egg

2 ай бұрын

We Need A New Flag

@dabourashed

2 ай бұрын

We Need A New Flag

@ilovemesomme

2 ай бұрын

Agreed, our seal is badass, but we don’t need it to be the focus of our flag.

@zachatck64

2 ай бұрын

You need a new flag (And as a Virginian so do we)

Eastern Washington State is very conservative. They would probably want to join the Idaho empire.

@lucaslevinsky8802

2 ай бұрын

Middle Washington state is conservative, eastern Washington has blue spots, eastern Oreo doesn't

@josuelopez3145

2 ай бұрын

Spokane, Tri and Pullman would never joint Idaho lol. Moscow barely wants to be part of Idaho.

@deanfirnatine7814

2 ай бұрын

Some counties in SE Washington already have joined the effort. Some counties in SW Washington are redder even than Eastern Washington, my guess is eventually they will want to join as well, the Portland area and Puget Sound need to be isolated like a disease carrier.

@Wilhelmofdeseret

2 ай бұрын

@@josuelopez3145you’ve never been to eastern Washington or talked to people then. I’m from Tri. Joining Idaho is the dominant opinion

@paulpeterson4216

2 ай бұрын

The problem with the underfunded state of IdaZaziHo annexing the poorest and most underfunded parts of Washington, Oregon and maybe even a sliver of California is that the state of "greater" IdaNaziHo would be flat broke and rapidly bankrupt. All of the "conservative" rural areas in the country are heavily subsidized by the actually productive urban areas.

Back when the border between Montana and Idaho was made, Idaho was not concerned about size, or even $$. Gold was located in the mountainous area where Montana seems to take territory from Idaho, and Idaho didn't want it because they didn't want all the people coming in for a gold rush and bringing all of the problems with them. They actually wanted the gold cut out of their border, and the Federal Government honored that wish. Otherwise, I think both Montana and Idaho would be rectangles like Colorado and Wyoming. This was covered on an episode of a show called "How the States Got Their Shapes". Pretty interesting situations covered by the show.

@greasher926

2 ай бұрын

I think you might be mixing up with WA? WA used to control the Idaho Panhandle, but then Gold was discovered there and with brought a lot of crime, WA then carved it out, and Idaho remained with the left over pieces.

@jnmsks6052

2 ай бұрын

@@greasher926 I never heard about the border with Washington. What I heard was definitely related to Montana. Maybe both are true.

@johnphipps4105

4 күн бұрын

​@@jnmsks6052It was washington, the montana border was made by an idaho territorial judge who had a grudge against the then idaho territory for being appointed into the middle of nowhere

Great Potatoland

@thisisnotmyname8766

2 ай бұрын

Love the name 😂

@zane2343

2 ай бұрын

Idahana

@jnmsks6052

2 ай бұрын

Exactly! I was thinking the only reason Idaho might want this part of Oregon would be to have ALL of the potatoes, not just most of them. They could call the state Ore-Ida like the potato brand, too. 🤣

@KurusuPanda

2 ай бұрын

Capital: Potatopia Leader: The Grand Potate

@francisemanuelrosa7388

Ай бұрын

​@@KurusuPanda it would be Mr. Potato from peppa pig

If we allow the Idaho boarders change. Then I suggest the Dakota’s unify.

@pharmesq

2 ай бұрын

Indeed, it is time to talk about Dakotan Reunification. The two regimes have been in a cold... very cold, actually... war for far too long.

@TheRavenLord1

2 ай бұрын

Agreed, there shouldn’t be two of em. #UnifiedDakota

@rustyshackleford234

2 ай бұрын

Texas also needs to annex the Oklahoma panhandle

@TheDimeFanatic

2 ай бұрын

But I like 4 Dakotan Senators

@natejohnson856

2 ай бұрын

With west Minnesota joining

Its funny, the longer the Greater Idaho movement goes on, the more territory they want to annex. Originally it was just a little bit of Oregon. Now they want almost all of Oregon and a chunk of California, too.

@silasbishop3055

2 ай бұрын

Wait until they join Alberta

@MrAlsachti

2 ай бұрын

Wait, it's all Idaho?! Never has been...

@mikaelsza

2 ай бұрын

Almost a fusion of Idaho and Jefferson seccession!

@NightOwlErin

2 ай бұрын

Next up are parts of southern and eastern Washington

@groom_of_the_stool

2 ай бұрын

@@NightOwlErin Yeah, and Spokane wants none of that nonsense.

"And that kids, was the beginning of the First Most Rural and Bountiful Idahoan Empire. Now on to the the Covid-30 Outbreak".

@anaknifamtayo8517

2 ай бұрын

NOOO

@eduardovaldivia5572

2 ай бұрын

Glory to the Idahoan empire!

some counties in Maryland similarly talked about joining West Virginia recently!

@ferretyluv

2 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, I remember that. Everyone laughed them off because counties don’t have a right to secede.

@dguy0386

2 ай бұрын

@@ferretyluv then i guess the ones wanting to join Idaho don't either

@ddesmarais7251

2 ай бұрын

​@dguy0386 The problem all of these movements for state boarder changes is that the state governments need to agree to it

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

@@ferretyluv the 3 West Virginia panhandle states voted to leave Virginia and join West virginia. Not only do people in the USA have the right to self determination, it has happened multiple times before. Borders have been changed via interstate compact over 100 times. Not only is their leaving the state possible, it has concrete legal precedent.

@ferretyluv

2 ай бұрын

@@betalis7 They seceded from Virginia to stay in the union. But we had a whole civil war about whether secession is a right. Spoiler alert: Union won and secession is not a right. We even have a whole constitutional amendment about it. Your right to self determination is move to West Virginia if you don’t like Maryland.

I don't think it's a bad thing for states borders to be redrawn provided it has local widespread support, the borders were drawn over a hundred years ago for these place and the demographics have shifted.

@Melesniannon

2 ай бұрын

It actually has a huge underlying issue, stemming from the fact that conservative populations and progressive populations aren't monolithic concepts but cover a wide range of perceptions on all of the issues. These terms are broad strokes, not strictly defined concepts of people who absolutely agree with each other. To give a typical example, there are many pro-gun Democrats and many pro-women's rights Republicans. There are laissez-faire Democrat capitalists, and there are Republicans who are so communal they're essentially living in a socialist mini-society. It's just... not as simple as drawing a few new lines on a map. Once you get started, you're going to keep creating new lines if you want to pretend there's any consistency to the method. Without that, it's just arbitrary, so why do it at all?

@Razor-gx2dq

2 ай бұрын

​@@Melesniannonyou make a fair point, that being said we are more divided than ever.

@JasonTaylor-po5xc

2 ай бұрын

​@@Melesniannon Republicans are significantly more (lawfully) armed than Democrats (2:1) according to Pew Research. Also, most pro-life/anti-abortion people would not consider themselves anti-women's rights - the most staunchly pro-life folks you'll meet will be women. I do agree that not "everyone" believes the same way in these regions - but this is essentially true everywhere, but at some point, you need to break down large geographical regions into manageable areas for governing. Ideally, the majority of the residents' interests should be represented by that government. The needs/desires of Portland are very different than the ranchers east of the mountains, which, for the most part, are being ignored. Perhaps they just didn't go far enough east.

@Melesniannon

2 ай бұрын

@@JasonTaylor-po5xc I can easily accept your statistic, it doesn't change that these people exist and live everywhere... It's a bad idea to think that just because somebody is a woman they can't be anti-woman's rights. They can and some quite viciously are so, because they hold a perspective that women don't have the rights they have. Their entire agenda is based on limiting women's rights to the exact level they want, and they'll keep the ones they do approve of. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition. If we use a different example to understand this: dictators tend to be anti-human rights. They loathe free speech for example. Are we going to claim that they can't be anti-human rights, because dictators are undeniably humans? The geography *is* broken down into manageable areas. Besides the state lines, there's counties with lower levels of government. So you claim that rancher's needs are ignored. How exactly?

@JasonTaylor-po5xc

2 ай бұрын

​@@Melesniannon You need to sit down with a pro-life woman and ask your questions directly. Most pro-life women I know do not consider themselves anti-woman's right because they believe an unborn baby is another body not their own. Our own laws even support this notion - if someone assaults a pregnant woman and she miscarriages - that person can be tried for homicide. Dictator example is not applicable. Rights are a shared mythology in free society, nothing more. We pick and choose them and define their constraints - there are no/few absolute rights. Even free speech is limited by liable. All rights have limits. Sometimes rights are suspended for a greater good (COVID lockdowns?).

All the people in Nampa and Boise would have to drive a lot farther for their medicinal fix.

@santiagovillasenor4329

2 ай бұрын

Ikr!!!

The thing that proponents of Greater Idaho seem to forget is that even if this crazy plan gets support from Oregon state and the federal government, by US law, Idaho would have to pay up to get this land. I doubt they are willing to do that.

@Wilhelmofdeseret

2 ай бұрын

You really believe the U.S. as it is will continue to exist another few years?

@troyminer7

2 ай бұрын

@@Wilhelmofdeseretyes, what

@Wilhelmofdeseret

2 ай бұрын

@@troyminer7 good lord. People like you are going to so unprepared for the future and only put yourselves and your own families at risk.

@nategalt5613

2 ай бұрын

@@Wilhelmofdeseret Yes, stop larping and go outside

@Wilhelmofdeseret

2 ай бұрын

@@nategalt5613 Go touch grass bud

How about including all land east of the Cascade range in Washington? The majority of those in eastern Washington would agree. If that doesn't work, I will move back to where I used to live in Oregon.

@tomsmithok

2 ай бұрын

It would be difficult to get some parts of eastern Washington, like Spokane, to agree to this

@user-qv1jx3ss8x

2 ай бұрын

Idaho native, Spokane is in Washington, I don’t want extra places or people we are good. We constantly get dumped on from coastal people, that’s ok lol😂

@rayc.1396

2 ай бұрын

@@user-qv1jx3ss8xIf you made sense I could probably agree with you. I was born in Orofino, you know where that is right? Now i live in eastern Washington, you don't get to many of those from the dark side like being closer to the Cascades.

@user-qv1jx3ss8x

Ай бұрын

@@rayc.1396 from Boise, I’d let northern Idaho be its own state. Or something? Travel between McCall and Lewiston isn’t great logistics

Eastern parts of Washington also wants this from what I hear. Eastern Oregon, Wasington and Northern California: "We want to be part of Idaho" Idaho: "Leave us alone, we're good"

@eveningofstorms

2 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, eastern washington is so seperate from Seattle

@deanfirnatine7814

2 ай бұрын

Yes there are SE Washington counties now involved. Actually the Idaho legislature approved this effort, many of these Oregon counties are so red they will make Idaho even more conservative, counter balancing Californians moving to Boise.

@jon9103

2 ай бұрын

But Eastern Washington has some sizable cities that probably don't want this.

@Accentor100

2 ай бұрын

@@jon9103 Maybe, I'm just stating that area has expressed the same things.

@idigmetal9516

2 ай бұрын

Let's just form our own state.

A video about Cascadia would be really cool too

This is crazy but I fully support it. If it happens, I might move there. We should absolutely normalize shifting borders. That's how borders work, our modern rigid borders are unnatural and counterproductive.

Am i crazy for being down for redrawing states? Vermont and new Hampshire, Kansas and Missouri, the Dakotas, idk bro I'd be interested in the conversation

@tjmartin8516

2 ай бұрын

Despite their close proximity, Vermont and New Hampshire have significantly different cultures. New Hampshire tends to have a lot more libertarian elements in its state politics. Where as Vermont has a much more collectivist stance on economic issues. You also have to consider Vermont was an independent country for 14 years. Kansas and Missouri also have significant differences in ideological beliefs and culture. The Dakotas have separate economic interests. South Dakota bases its economy around finance, and North Dakota bases its economy around raw resource extraction.

Great video, congrats.

I lived and traveled the whole thing for most of my life and it definitely should separate itself.

Eastern Oregon would be better off by teaming up with Eastern Washington and doing their own thing, along with Jefferson being a thing

@matthiuskoenig3378

Ай бұрын

The problem with trying ti create a new state is that it will automatically be opposed by the states that vote the opposite direction to the counties of the proposed new state. Because it'll more greatly upset the balance of the electoral collage.

I knew the potato ppl were gonna conquer us eventually.

I want this to happen, because it makes it more likely that Upstate NY, or at the very least WNY can leave NY.

The "don't California my Oregon! If you don't like it, move!" crowd should really take their own advice.

@tjmartin8516

2 ай бұрын

The people saying “don’t California my Oregon” are from Portland. Californians aren’t moving to a sparsely populated dry stretch of flat land east of the Cascades.

@oldyeller9849

2 ай бұрын

The phrase was "don't Californicate my Oregon" and it was 40 years ago. Didn't work obviously, not just an influx of libs from Cal and NY but mostly as a result of the Marxist's " long march through the institutions".

@craigjohnston3431

2 ай бұрын

Ummm.. have you been to Bend lately? 😂😂😂😂

@cousinit718

2 ай бұрын

V Combine Southern Oregon and Northern Cal from Chico to Eugene...that's all.

@garykentner7557

28 күн бұрын

@@craigjohnston3431 yes born and raised now its a liberal melting pot comparable to Portland. a literal mess of Progressives not compatable with who we are. we are out voted and have NO voice. you ought to try it you wont like unless your progressive. that seems to be the difference. water and oil dont mix. GREATER IDAHO is a great solution and the people have spoken just do your research!!!

The land size doesn't matter. The fact they would be bunching poor rurals together with more poor rurals and allowing the cities to forget about them matters.

@lebest3062

2 ай бұрын

When you put it that way along with how much of this is voluntary. I'd say go for it 😂.

@RedStateSecession

2 ай бұрын

The cities already forgot about eastern Oregon. That's why they want a government that listens to them.

@Flk0217

2 ай бұрын

@@RedStateSecessionwhat exactly are the cities ignoring from the rural areas?

@antonbruce1241

2 ай бұрын

@@Flk0217 How about little things such as equal representation, property rights and voting rights? Not to mention taxation.

@antonbruce1241

2 ай бұрын

I have to ask: what makes you believe that all of these rurals are :poor"? Isn't that rather a classist and condescending attitude to take? Or does that not matter to you?

What is the app that you use to do those videos

It would help increase the majoirty for liberals in oregon and idaho would gain more land and people. It's defitnitley possible if the negotiations are good.

Idaho for the most part doesn't want this. A few politicians were listening because they could border the ocean and have a port. But most of these counties in East Oregon are poorer than the majority of counties in Idaho. East Oregon has a way older population than the majority of Idaho. Those small towns are dying off quick.

@eduardovaldivia5572

2 ай бұрын

Idaho could really benefit with access to the sea

@EthanNeal

2 ай бұрын

I live in Eastern Idaho, the idea of a "Greater Idaho" is especially unpopular here. Also, we already have a sea port within state lines in Lewiston at the confluence of the Snake and Clearwater Rivers.

@skepticalcynic5157

2 ай бұрын

I am from Oregon and understand why the rural folks feel ignored. The folks in Idaho should be against this. The GDP of these Oregon counties (excluding DeChutes, as this county is more aligned with western Oregon) is very low and there is a massive amount of territory involved that would be a huge economic drain for Idaho to support.

@hollyloomer7667

2 ай бұрын

Native Idahoan, no I definitely don't want this.

@santiagovillasenor4329

2 ай бұрын

I want it what are you talking about? (I live in boise)

I am curious about what this would do to the balance of power in the U.S. House of Representatives, i.e. how many Representatives Greater Idaho would have and how many Oregon and California would lose. That's really the big picture: the national impact.

@pharmesq

2 ай бұрын

Fairly small. California would probably not lose any - the counties in far Northeast California are essentially empty, as are the East Oregon counties. Together they make up half of a Congressional district, if that. And even if one changed hands, it would be trading an Oregon or California Republican into an Idaho Republican - no change in balance of power.

@kate2create738

2 ай бұрын

@@pharmesq We're not completely empty in this area of California!😒

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

literally no difference whatsoever. ALL of Eastern Oregon shares ONE representatives with Southwest Oregon, while all the other representatives are squished into the NorthWest

@santiagovillasenor4329

2 ай бұрын

Idaho only has 2 representatives and 2 senators we need more population😭

“You're livin' in your own Private Idaho Livin' in your own Private Idaho Underground like a wild potato” 🥔 😂

I hope they succeed in forming greater Idaho, god speed ✊

A government of the people, by the people, and for the people needs to serve the people. If that’s what the voters/constituents want . . . Do it. On the other hand, if it’s all just a bunch of ideas and talk, then putting it on a ballot measure will prove it’s nothing more than an idea when the citizen vote that idea down.

@quanbrooklynkid7776

2 ай бұрын

Damn

@jon9103

2 ай бұрын

It's what voters in many of those countries want but probably not what most voters in Oregon want. Which voters get to decide?

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

12 counties already voted in favor of it

I love this idea Idaho you have support from Florida

Their is also this idea in eastern Washington but it’s not as common

Great video. I Would love to see a video on an alternate reality where any county could join any adjacant state that more closley matched their needs, wants, culture, ideology, etc. I think the country would see lots and lots of county movment, and it would be a fasinating video. Very similar to the greater Idaho movement that has little to no chance of ever happening. I can see a lot of good effects coming from letting counties move to states that valued them, but also there would probably be some downsides as well.

This would be fantastic! I know people in all regions of the proposed new state. The majority of them all share the same values and dreams. Idaho is a retirement dream for people from the regions of Northern California and Eastern Oregon and Washington. This will result in lower taxes and greater economic benefit to the citizens of the new state.

@PendeltonWhiskey

2 ай бұрын

Who do you think is going to pay the multi TRILLION dollar bill for this land purchase? Idaho taxes would have to skyrocket beyond belief. Everybody in Idaho would be flat busted broke. Everybody in Western Oregon will be laughing at the dumb hillbillies that fell for this bad joke

This is a great idea

Why not throw in Eastern Washington? Then call it Greatest Idaho!

@General.Knowledge

2 ай бұрын

And then annex Montana, MegaIdaho

@ojisanhoward8940

2 ай бұрын

@@General.Knowledge HAHAHA!

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

@@General.Knowledge Nah Idaho doesn't want to deal with the gold mines in Montana, that's why they gave away parts of the North to montana, they didn't want the hassle of dealing with tens of thousands of gold miners and prospectors complicating things.

I think they should consider a new flag

Hmmm. Interesting 🤔

Love the video! Just a note the capital of Idaho is pronounced “boy-see”

@k0pstl939

2 ай бұрын

I'd pronounce it more like boy-zee

@grantmiller9614

2 ай бұрын

@@k0pstl939 It's a regional thing honestly, I am from the Midwest, and I grew up pronouncing it boy-zee but I'm going to college in Idaho and there are some people who are very particular about pronouncing it as boy-see.

@hollyloomer7667

2 ай бұрын

@@grantmiller9614 Yeah, born and raised in Boy C. We know immediately if you're not from here if you say it Boyzee.

Yes this would be the best for. The people.

As someone from western Washington but outside of the I-5 corridor, the liberal sections of the state completely ignore anything outside of I-5. Our town has been looking to build a bypass for decades since rush hour will completely close the town down with traffic. Then when I-5 closes it gets ten times worse. The bypass started construction in 2009, and about half was finished in 2011. Still sits unfinished to this day, and currently puts any bypassing traffic onto neighborhood streets and as it stands won’t be completed till 2026(work is going to resume this summer apparently). The greater idaho movement is because of the liberal government’s failure to listen to the needs of the people.

@smileymalaise

2 ай бұрын

You live in a town that only exists because of that freeway. Now you're too good for it.

@josephharrison5639

2 ай бұрын

@@smileymalaise no it’s thirty minutes away from the interstate however due to a military base any time there’s an accident that closes the interstate our two lane road becomes gridlocked

@PrinceFrogFrog

2 ай бұрын

I like how you say “the people” as if the people mentioned are the majority of people in the state 💀

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

@@PrinceFrogFrog that doesn't matter whatsoever. Just because people are a minority means that the cities get to neglect and abuse them regularly? What an imbecilic suggestion.

Malheur has also a great name (meaning misfortune, woe... in French)

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

They probably called it that because it's a desert that has common droughts

Boy C, not Boy Z

I don't think it'll ever happen but I'd definitely support it.

I love that you made a video on this! I’ve been following this movement for a while! I think it would be good for both states for this to go through!

@Lavonne1

2 ай бұрын

Bot that bright are you

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

@@Lavonne1 it is good for both states, over 59% of Portlanders voted to allow the East to leave because it would allow their tax revenue to be used on causes that are closer to them. Currently, the reason for the Eastern counties being poor is because of the neglect and abuse of Salem and its heavily restrictive policies. Salem centralized water rights and won't allow the Eastern farmers to irrigate their farmland, even though they want to grow food crops. Additionally, Salem has placed exorbitant taxes upon diesel fuel, the tractors, combines, and other vehicles don't come in electric, making diesel the only viable means of farming in the East. Salem has also foisted upon Oregonians a completely unreasonable income tax, that rather than taxing net income, taxes gross income, meaning that even though these farmers and ranchers make a deficit, they are still forced to pay income tax. yes, despite making NEGATIVE INCOME, they still must pay income tax. the reasons for them making negative income includes but is not limited to 1) the aforementioned diesel taxes, 2) they are not allowed to kill violent wolves without approval from Salem, which takes weeks to months to be heard, often times being rejected despite thousands of dollars worth of livestock being poached by wolves. and 3) the aforementioned water restrictions that restrict the ability for farmers and ranchers to produce sufficiently. Additionally, Salem is pushing a ballot measure to make 90% of food production in Eastern Oregon illegal. Due to being a desert climate that only grows grasses and shrubbery, the main food source from the East is ranching, hunting, trapping, fishing and animal husbandry, all of which will be made illegal under "animal abuse" if IP3 "the animal rights" ballot measure passes the 2024 November ballot. Not only will the aforementioned practices by criminalized, but so will the training of domestic animals like dogs and horses, because according to Portlander "animal rights activists" training dogs is considered "animal abuse," despite the fact that dogs are happiest when they know they are being productive, helpful, and supportive members of the family. If IP3 passes in November 2024, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Oregonians will be criminals, and if they don't abandon their businesses, will be fined. Due to them making negative income from the insane policies Salem forces upon them, they will be unable to pay the hefty "animal abuse" fines and will have their homesteads, livestock, and other assets confiscated by the state, or they will be incarcerated and put to work as slaves for no pay, because slavery is a legal punishment for conviction. Oregon has already centralized water and resource rights, and now they are attempting to centralize food rights, in addition to the legislation being pushed by Salem to confiscate all tax revenue from the counties to then "redistribute how they see fit," taking a page straight out of Bonito Mussolini's handbook, like the tyrannical dumpster fascists they are. Western Oregonian citizens don't want their tax revenue being used to abuse and mismanage the East, while the Eastern populations don't want to be abused and mismanaged. Both East and West Oregonian citizens support this proposal on the ballot.

I recall reading about the urban vs rural divide being a source of tension in ancient Athenian democracy. My understanding that electorates are an attempt at balancing these tensions. As much as cities like to think that they are more sophisticated they still need to eat.

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

Yes they still need to eat, but they are also trying to make 90% of Eastern Oregonian food production illegal with a ballot measure, specifically, the "animal rights" ballot measure IP3. IP3, if passed, will break all treaties with Oregonian Native Americans by making illegal ALL of the following: Ranching, Animal husbandry, Hunting, Trapping, Fishing, and even training domesticated animals like dogs and horses. Even though it has been extensively proven that dogs are happiest when they know they are a helpful and supportive member of the pack, the animal rights activists say that training them is "animal abuse." If the measure passes, it will criminalize most of the businesses their, who despite making deficits still have to pay tax because, rather than taxing net income, the geniuses in Salem thought it to be a good idea to tax gross income, these poor farmers, if convicted of violating this ballot measure, will be fined heftily, and due to them not having money from their failing businesses, they will either lose everything from repossession by the state, or they'll be forced into prison if they can't pay, where they will then be put to work for no pay because slavery is still legal in prison.

Sounds like a conservative land grab to me. Why would an entire state cede all their airable land to a minority of folks who don't go to the cities anyway? Taxes from urban city districts support the infrastructure that extends into rural areas as well. Will there be a large enough tax base to support rural development, maintenance, sanitation, as well as conservation efforts to preserve the why of life people will expect? Yes, cities are noisy, dirty, costly, complicated, stressful, etc. etc. They are also convenient, diverse, vibrant, thrilling, collectivist, and offer economic opportunities. People from cities also enjoy the peace and quite the country offers as well. Why would cities want to give up all that land to a few people and never get to enjoy it, or feel unwelcomed if they just wanted to do some fishing, hiking, boating or hunting.

As an Idahoan I’m all for it, eastern Oregon is such a beautiful place, and it saddens me that Oregon higher up’s don’t care about it very much and don’t know how to take care of it. Also I chuckled a bit when you said Bois, the capital is pronounced Boy-sea

Here before it blows up

As An Idahoan Myself, I Find This Proposal Insane. We’re Completely Irrelevant And We Don’t Need Eastern Oregon Nor Northern California.

@spicefactor9604

2 ай бұрын

I agree, we have plenty of shit to fix internally as is

@sprunkadct

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, please don't remove the 42 Parallel border

@Wilhelmofdeseret

2 ай бұрын

That’s your inner western selfishness at work. Is there any reason for it to actually be insane? Not if a majority of people want it to happen and as an eastern Washington resident I speak for many people we’d rather be In state more conservative and has a more similar culture.

@the.mr.schrader

2 ай бұрын

@@Wilhelmofdeseret Yeah, Idaho Doesn’t Wanna Pay Several Billion Dollars For The Crappy Scraps Of Washington And Oregon.

@Wilhelmofdeseret

2 ай бұрын

@@the.mr.schrader lmao 💀 bro how old are you? You talk like a child. You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think eastern Washington is “crappy”. Eastern Washington is richer than Idaho lol. It would be worth spending even a few billion. Go give the phone back to mommy and daddy kid

I've watched a bunch of videos about this issue, this is the first one that mentioned Northern California as well, I always thought it was only Eastern Oregon.

If the people of eastern Oregon would dedicate themselves to the mastery, and massproduction of quality gravy, we the people of Idaho, would be more likely to meet you at the table to explore this merger.

This reminds me of an event in HOI4 where Hungary suddenly decides it should own more land and calls itself "Greater Hungary", and the event says that they are a bit full of themselves.

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

Except it wasn't Idaho that declared this, the original movement was called "Move Oregon's Border For a Greater Idaho" because it was based in Oregon

@matthiuskoenig3378

Ай бұрын

Also greater Hungary makes sense because of the large Hungarian population, includeing areas of Hungarian majority in the lands they claimed. And it wasn't sudden. They always claimed it. The event was trying to push for an enforcement of the claims

You didn't mention the state of Jefferson movement. This is important as it shows the rural-urban devide and the rural session movement in Oregon and Northern california is not new. The rural counties in these states have had some sessionist movement since around 1850 atleast. There were several major events related to the creation of a new state from rural counties there, in 1851 being first proposal, in 1860 (Congress allowed them to vote to create a new state. Canceled by civil war and the idea it would only encourage southern sessionists). 1941 (a short lived declaration of session from States but still within USA. Canceled by ww2), 1992 (a vote to allow it to happen, canceled by comitee after the vote was positive), and 2017 (attempted lawsuite that would set up the conditons to create the new state. Thrown out by lower courts). Greater idaho grew out of this, where rural oregon sessionists decided that a new state was a lost cause and that joining an existing state would face less opposition. Starting as a Purley oregon movement, many state of Jefferson advocates in california also came to support the idea (hence the larger greater idaho maps where it's essentially the proposed state of Jefferson give or take a few counties annexed by idaho). This greater context shows that it's not just a reaction to recent poltical issues (like some commenters have accused it of being) but a long standing issue that is technically older than Oregon state hood (since the first proposal for rural oregon being in Jefferson was in 1851, and oregon only became a state in 1859).

Half the people of Crook County want to join Idaho, but the other half don't. They will end up remaining with Oregon, 'cause ain't no such things as halfway Crooks

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

County partitions have happened before and can happen again. When a county gets populated enough it often splits into 2 counties, it's a very common occurrence that has happened many a time throughout US history in virtually every state.

Eastern Washington may want in as well

yes to this and upstate ny break away from nyc

I would love to see a video on a hypothetical very similar to yours. The hypothetical is this. The state legislative body of the original state has no power to stop any county from moving to an adjacent state besides persuasion. The county must have a vote of two thirds to pass the move. The state receving them must vote for the change of border, and to accept the new county. And finaly the federal goverment must have a two thirds vote against the move to stop it from becoming offical. What the new state borders would slowly become would be very interesting. For instance Georgia may lose all of its rural counties to its adjacent states and the city of Atlanta would be all that remains of the state of Georgia.

As someone from Eastern Oregon, I'm all for this.

I disagree mate, big time. Example: love how it looks.

Wasn't Boise originally chosen because it was central to the territory that was to be part of the state, before the territory was divvied up?

@willbetts

2 ай бұрын

Idaho has mostly remained it's shape after it was an extension of the Oregon, Washington, and Montana territories. Idaho's territory capital was Lewiston, but after evaluating Boise had discovered gold, had the Oregon Trail running through it, 7x the population vs. North Idaho, they decided to move the capital to Boise.

As long as Shasta county CA is included, I’m happy.

Sounds cool

Eastern Oregonians would stand to lose quite a lot by being absorbed into Idaho. They have rights, privileges and freedom that Idahoans simply do not have. Also, I've seen many instances where someone asks an Eastern Oregonian about why they wish to be absorbed into Idaho. They say things like they "don't like how people live in Portland." So the very idea that people exist in the same state as they are and are not like them, hurts them. It's 100% creepy and weird. It's also short sighted and selfish to try to destroy an entire state, rather than just move to the plethora of conservative states around them. There are so many to choose from. But they think the world should go out of it's way to accommodate them. Yuck.

@matthiuskoenig3378

Ай бұрын

Nooo you can't move an imaginery line on a map because people that vote differently to you are enforcing their decisions on you despite liveing hundreds of miles away. Don't you know it's selfish to move imagerinery lines on the map just to get poltical outcomes that match how you vote. State borders are too sacred for even democracy to be allowed to change them. No instead you should spend a ton of money to move during a housing crisis to a place that doesn't have enough jobs for all of you. Just so we can preserve lines drawn hundreds of years ago, often arbitrarily. lines that are ignoring natural borders, water tables and directly go against the advice of experts in cartography.

The thumbnail: could this actually happened? me: no

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Yes is an amazing idea. People outside the urban areas are tired of being told how to live their lives.

I feel like this would be pretty dangerous, not only will it set a precedent like described in the video, I think it would return the nation to a pre-Civil War mentality of loyalty to your state over the union (assuming the precedent is followed), since why would you want to be in a union with many opposing opinions, when every state is mostly homogeneous in its ideas.

I’ve thought of this even before this video came out. The idea of the electoral college is great but is defeated when you have big states like Cali Texas and New York. How upstate New Yorkers live and feel is different than NYC. The west doesn’t make sense for the electoral college and you have things like this happen where many people straight up go unrepresented because the higher/densely populated urban area felt differently.

@ferretyluv

2 ай бұрын

The electoral college favors middle America. The electoral votes for New York and California are dwarfed by Republican states. This means your vote means more in rural Republican states than the most populous ones where 80% of the country lives. The way the electoral college works, you could win the presidency with something like 14% of the popular vote.

@riko0029

2 ай бұрын

State. Electoral. College. Now. And I'm Australian, I think it is truly one of greatest inventions in democracy and its purpose was to avoid large states to not dwarf smaller states.. which now have cities the size of the larger states back then.

Secessionionists unite they will never hold us.

Should take Eastern Washington as well

KZreadr: criticizes idaho state seal Me: did you know the idaho state seal was the only one designed by a woman?

We've had the same lower 48 state boundaries (and nearly all the county ones) since 1912. And according to the Constitution any changes to them must be approved by Congress and ALL the state legislatures involved. For this or any other proposals like these, realistically, NO CHANCE.

Instead of this I would leave Idaho alone, just have the state of Jefferson from North Cali and Southwest Oregon, and then divide what's left of Washington and Oregon between east and west.

This is what happens when the people in power treat you like shit

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@General.Knowledge

2 ай бұрын

Hi!

This is just a reaction to the states population being in the cities. The same thing is happening in Arizona and Nevada. In Arizona most of the state's population either lives in greater Phoenix or Tucson. Likewise a huge chunk of Nevada's people live in Las Vegas or Reno. The much greater population of the cities will dominate the politics of the mostly rual thinly populated ranch lands and deserts.

I'm curious about the electoral differences would Idaho pick up a house seat and Oregon lose one?

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

yes but the house wouldn't change because the Eastern oregon seat is already republican led, basically all of Eastern Oregon shares a district with Southwest Oregon, so not even all of the district is proposed to enter Idaho as of now.

Who the heck talks about stupid kilometers in a video where NOBODY in the US uses that? We’re miles here.

10:27 Boise = “boy see”

Will it ever happen? No. A lot more people want it to happen but there would have to be a war to get states to change their borders. By the way, the whole eastern and south western state of WA would join also.

I think it would be great, sure border inestability is a problem, but if the people feel themselves more represented in another state, why change that? It's clear Oregon hasn't done enough to invest or support this areas, they have legislation essentially imposed into them by the urban areas, and their voices don't matter because of it, wanting to change state is completely justified given their current situation.

They should do this in conjunction with a modified Cascadia plan - merging Washington, the remainder of Oregon, and the northern part of California. I think both together with the right marketing and promotion would work as both teams red and blue would get a bulwark outcome.

@TheGhostOf2020

2 ай бұрын

You realize that wouldn’t change anything in national political power balance because this would not change the number of senators that are sent to Washington by the states. And those areas of land would most likely not be enough to even boost even 1 more seat in the House of Representatives, it would simply increase the gdp per capita of blue states that had their conservative areas annexed into This is all ignoring the complete non-starter the entire plan would require Idaho to monetarily compensate the states who originally controlled the territory for any land and resource/development potential it is considered worth. And even worse they have to officially absorb any county’s municipal debts. This number would easily soar into the tens of billions of dollars just for a few dual counties. Idaho would have nothing to gain, and the pacific states simply don’t need the money, and having a neighboring state default on debt would be worse than making a few billion dollars in the short term. Simply put, it would just make governing and administrating Idaho far more difficult and expensive despite the cited closer political beliefs. Making Idaho suffer from even lower household gdp, a worsening crisis in public services guaranteed to isolated communities that take doble digit travel times in a car for Boise and far northern California’s wilderness to effectively integrate. Meanwhile the blue states, for as much right wing hysteria as there is, would, without those rural counties, soar in median household wealth rankings making them economically more able to push their own ideals and agendas more than ever. You will see more progressive governors and representatives as they would no longer need to win over so many rural voters to tip the scales against a close rival. Not a screwed move…

@WmJFaust

2 ай бұрын

@@TheGhostOf2020 The lack of a political change is the point. Both sides gets a little somethin' somethin' they want but the overall effect is marginalized - for now...

As an Idahoan I’m fervently against this plan as it would involve massive debts and tax hikes to pay for all of oregons state lands and a portion of the debt that oregon took out to develop said territory and the territory itself is economically desolate I’ve been there dozens of times and it’s always been back water.

@hollyloomer7667

2 ай бұрын

Me too friend, me too!

I’ve always thought these kind of proposals across Canada and the US were always a very slippery slope to more dangerous ways of thinking about handling people you disagree with. I mean no matter who wins an election there will ALWAYS be people not being represented consistently. If these counties swapped to Idaho, then what happens for example to a town who vote more left wing in the rural areas? Do they in turn then just themselves secede out of this new state because they won’t feel represented? The goal of any modern representative government isn’t just only about making policies that represent the majority of the populations views but to also try their best to hear out and to at least take into consideration the opposing sides view

@General.Knowledge

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Great point.

@DarthCasus

2 ай бұрын

In regards to your last sentence, the reason why they want to secede in the first place is precisely because the leftist governments do not take into account the needs of the minority voters. Not to mention, it's not physically possible to move your farm from one state to the next, unlike city people who can up and take their apartments or households with them to move to other big cities. These rural communities are tied to their land and will always be under the foot of these major cities that do not care about them unless the borders were physically shifted to account for it. I, for one, support it because everyone deserves the right to self-governance.

@collin9324

2 ай бұрын

Well it’s not just politics, the Oregon higher ups don’t know how to take care of rural areas or natural life either, for all they are concerned Portland is their only town, and they make decisions about legislation that, yes will make Portland happier, but the rural areas suffer. For example Oregon has some of the worst wildfires every summer in the entire Union, but Idaho doesn’t, and they have very similar climates. It is because Idaho knows how to take care of forests better than Oregon. Also you look at towns like Fruitland, it’s a nice town, but you drive ten minutes across the boarder to Ontario, and it is kind of a dump, in comparison to Fruitland.

@igorlopes7589

2 ай бұрын

​@@collin9324Shhh... urban areas are always right...

@Darium147

2 ай бұрын

​@@collin9324 Bro then why not kicking Portland out?

btw everyone supporting it I know of is from southern idaho, once you pass the time change it's super different politics

@discountlenin3581

4 күн бұрын

also I don't think they truly understand that everywhere past eagle pass is xenophobic to everything, we hate the feds, we hate our neighboring states, we hate our neighbors who weren't born here, and so on

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How about the liberal leaning metro areas in conservative states becoming their own state…..the fact of the matter is the large urban and suburban areas subsidize the rural areas…basically, tax revenue from the more populous liberal areas is redistributed by states and the fed govt to the poorer, rural conservative leaning areas…. And we always hear conservatives say they are opposed to redistribution of wealth…..

@jh2519

2 ай бұрын

Where do you think those metro areas get their food, water, and raw materials? They won’t produce anything without the rest of the state. So really, it’s not a redistribution of wealth to subsidize, they are just paying for the resources that the majority (land wise) of the state provides.

@jon9103

2 ай бұрын

​​@@jh2519interstate and international commerce would still be a thing but the way tax dollars are allocated would change. Keep in mind that most of western states are Federal lands.

@jh2519

2 ай бұрын

@@jon9103 It would be the same thing with interstate. You are still paying for those things to the more rural areas. And if those rural areas aren’t being “subsidized” by the cities, they can Jack up the prices. International is another story, but I’m thinking having all of your water and food imported would get expensive as well.

@jon9103

2 ай бұрын

@@jh2519 that's my point changing borders isn't going to cut off the cities. Also keep in mind that many of the commodities are controlled by large multi-national corporations that don't answer to either party. It's not really rural vs urban, that's just a distraction to keep us distracted from the oligarchs.

@kate2create738

2 ай бұрын

Living in the area that is supposedly Jefferson State region, while we are rural, we do have some cities with populations that can help out with that. Many here have accepted the idea of being an average state that will find other ways to fund certain infrastructures that we are ALWAYS the last to get. In all honestly, it just seems like it's OUR taxes to goes straight to the metropolitan cities' programs on in the pocket book of the politicians that run the state.

There does need to be more flexibility for states to divide or join other states. Demographics are always shifting. I also think we should have more city states like the rest of the world. NYC, LA/SD, the Bay Area, Chicago, and even the likes of StL, DFW, and Houston would do well to govern themselves.

@fulltimemonti

Ай бұрын

Even St.Louis City and County (yes they are separate) have about twice as many people as the whole state of Wyoming.

Interesting video 👍 Its funny that in europe we have had border changes through wars and votes but in USA which is basically a continent you dont get that same movement in borders. Probably because the culture is more homogeneous. Its not like Idaho and Oregon speak different laguages or anything.

@betalis7

2 ай бұрын

We have gotten plenty of that movement, over 100 time have state borders been changed via interstate compact, additionally, many counties have successfully voted to leave their states, like th 3 Eastern panhandle Counties of West Virginia, who voted to leave Virginia.

I think Greater Idaho should expand all across the country. Instead of the United States of America, it should be the United State of Idaho.

Make Idaho Greater Again

Hell, it would be cool to see us now border Idaho instead of Oregan. Even better metaphsycial access to Potatoes.

Looks out window. Sees 9,000’ peak from 4,500’. Is very flat? My guy we have one of the deepest canyons in the world!

How about Square Miles??? This is America, use our own units!

This seems quite silly - why don’t those people just move to Idaho, as it is now? - problem solved. Plus, what about all the people in southern Oregon, & Northern California that we’re fixing to make the state of Jefferson??

@matthiuskoenig3378

Ай бұрын

Mmmm yes, thousands of people should move instead of an imaginery line on a map. Let's just ignore the factors of housing and jobs, internal divisions within a country that aren't even monitored are far to sacred for even democracy to be allowed to change.

Yup .... Part of ore..... Should be gon

I voted for this in my county, but alas, it didn't pass. Joining the Empire of Idaho will have to be postponed.

He said “boys” 😂