*Do you think California or any other states should be divided?*

@ferretyluv

6 ай бұрын

No!

@CW0123

5 ай бұрын

New England should merge into a single state. And Maryland and West Virginia need to fix their janky ass borders

@S.E.C-Phoenix

5 ай бұрын

Nah, I like 50 states. Don't need any more or any less. And if you ask me dividing California sounds like hell. We already have enough problems with just 1, so god only knows what 6 will do.

@rustee00

5 ай бұрын

Yes

@ArandomChannelVo2

5 ай бұрын

Except of DC, I think no other state needs a fix, its all perfect

As a californian, i hate this plan for logistical reasons but also want to do it just to feel something

@miladeskandari7

6 ай бұрын

I know what you mean

@sleepyprinny

6 ай бұрын

I'm confused.

@localblackman427

6 ай бұрын

@@sleepyprinny some people just want to watch the world burn just to feel the heat

@Afish8me2china

6 ай бұрын

Other then being on fire?

@Thatotter223

6 ай бұрын

this is hilarious

And the funniest part is, Mexico already has a Baja California (Low California) and Baja California Sur (Low South California). So this proposal would technically add an Alta California Norte / Sur / Central / Oeste

@Hi1234Ismyname

6 ай бұрын

I like to say south California and south south California for fun when taking about the Mexican ones

@csolisr

6 ай бұрын

South California, not to be confused with SoCal

@Hi1234Ismyname

6 ай бұрын

@@csolisr So California, Southern California, south California, then south south California

@General.Knowledge

6 ай бұрын

Exactly! We already saw a division of California before

@timgerk3262

6 ай бұрын

​@@General.Knowledgethat division occurred before any substantial shared infrastructure existed, and during the First Mexican Empire (iirc). Not really an applicable precedent.

The state could get split up but these proposals usually aren’t based on the actual cultural and geographical differences. The most obvious split would be the coastal areas from the inland areas, that is the major political and cultural difference. Splitting the Bay Area from Southern California is the next obvious division but like all of these ideas, it’s just not necessary or desired by most Californians. FYI- as stupid as it sounds, Yreka is pronounced “Why-reek-uh”Obrigado por o vídeo!

@rogink

6 ай бұрын

Splitting the state up for political reasons just looks like gerrymandering. For practical and logistical reasons I can see sense in a north-south split or even a 3rd central state. Let's face it, no one wants an odd number of states :)

@erynpimentel915

6 ай бұрын

@@rogink Three would be the most acceptable if this ever happened, for the reason you said, the creation of basically 2 additional states, and it would work out that it would likely be 1 Democratic and 1 Republican state.

@jaimefish173

5 ай бұрын

@@rogink Theres a drug war in southern California. Mexican mafia and others have taken over parts of the desert outside of Los Angeles, still in LA County. They are killing people who accidentally run into the illegal drug factories. Locals are forced to move out. The Los Angeles city hall ignores Sheriff departments and the people in the rural areas. City Politicians ignore people since they dont need their votes. Im for splitting California so people can properly represented. Small areas control the whole state because the high dense population.

As a resident of California, I can confirm that there is in fact a large difference between more rural regions and more centralized and urban ones. Yet, at the same time, this isn't unique to California, and more one of American culture and that dividing the state will likely not help any of the issues the people looking at this solution is trying to fix. Perhaps in the future, considering the total size of the state there can be a division eventually, but in the moment, there's plenty of issues we need to address that would only be hindered if such a thing were to go through.

@KyrilPG

6 ай бұрын

It's like that everywhere... In Europe too, cities and more urbanized areas have a political divide with more rural areas. You could chop up a state virtually indefinitely and some divide will remain.

@thedapperdolphin1590

5 ай бұрын

Especially when you consider that the rural areas of states are subsidized by the urban/suburban areas. There aren’t many people in those rural areas, so there’s not enough of a tax base or much in the way of an economic driver for them to be sustainable.

@KyrilPG

5 ай бұрын

And dense urban areas / big cities subsidize the suburban areas that are a bottomless money pit due to low density and thus, lack of mutualization of their infrastructure costs. Same as in Europe, but worse, as the suburbs are much more prevalent and spread out in the US than in Europe. It's the suburban "growth ponzi scheme". That's why many cities that have a lot of (or only) lower density neighborhoods are often on the brink of bankruptcy, when they're not outright in it, and outrageously high debt. The channel Not Just Bikes (with it's "Strong Town" or 'ST" mini sub series) and the similarly named channel Strong Towns, both made extensive coverage of this issue. It's very interesting The problem also exist in Europe, to a slightly lesser extent as cities are denser in general, but rural areas also complain 24/7 about the "dreadful" cities' influence and power. They tend to forget that much of their public services, welfare, etc. are financed by the economic drive and power of the larger cities, especially major ones, and by the high wages / higher tax bracket in the main cities. There was a recent example of this in France with aging water piping : the water main piping in a small village can cost 200K to over 2 millions to replace, due to the fact they usually are simply buried under roads and the cost must be spread over 100 to 1500 homes. Whereas, an equivalent water main pipe in Paris is easily accessible via sewer galleries, costs less to replace and the costs are spread over an incomparably larger pool of subscribers. That's why villages have the highest rate of drinking water wasting, due to high prevalence and severity of leaks compared to larger cities or Paris. Rural areas complain about cities getting new or extended public transportation, etc. And they can't stop repeating they happily chose to live in the country. Completely and conveniently forgetting that they can do it because the dense cities foot a substantial part of the bill.

@Toastmaster_5000

5 ай бұрын

I disagree - a state exceeding 2 million people seems to be the tipping point of when a sizable percentage of a state starts to feel under-represented. Look at every state below 2 million and pretty much all of them are, for the most part, politically homogeneous. Even where there is a left-right split, it's not all that intense. Maine seems to be the only exception, but they're also one of two states that divides their electoral college votes, which is probably why their political divide isn't intense enough to warrant a referendum to split. People forget how powerful state governments can be. Where the federal government may fail us, state governments can do a lot to make things better. Of course, there's no realistic way to have California to be split into sub-2-million people states, however, there doesn't really need to be. Most of their political divide is very concentrated, so I feel there would be decent representation if the split is done by groups of counties.

@KyrilPG

5 ай бұрын

@@Toastmaster_5000 That's nothing less than a form of gerrymandering... And 2 million is bonkers, as it's not really where the difference is, that's just a correlation, not a causation. States at or below 2 million people are usually rural, so they look more homogeneous. The divide mostly lies in urban vs rural. If there was a huge 15 million people rural state, it would be just as seemingly homogeneous as a 800K one. How would you do that? Isolate large cities in their own city-state? Or split cities too in 2 million states. How many states will there be? Rural areas already are over-represented compared to urban areas, splitting would only give them even more representation / power, how is that fair? A democracy is also the majority rule, and it would be even less fair to give them even more power and representation. Plus, most rural areas are not financially sustainable and are subsidized by denser, populous urban areas. How would these newly independent areas survive financially? Not to mention the cost of another layer of government. Secession / splitting is always a big and costly mess with merely psychological gains but very real consequences ; look at the shitshow after brexit in the UK, a clear majority now regrets doing it. Or do these rural areas expect to keep subsidies while splitting and gaining even more representation? They may feel overshadowed by the large urban areas but they enjoy their economical drive and tax resources. Most, if not all issues could be resolved with better government, better participation and better officials (less money driven).

I used to live in Riverside and have visited Northern California frequently, and there's a difference between north and south, but an even bigger one between the "urban" blue and "rural" red. I'd say split it based on electoral/voting counties and go California/Sierra

There seems to be a general rural/urban divide along the entire west coast. Washington, Oregon and California, all seem to have rural populations that want nothing to do with their major cities.

@sm1522

6 ай бұрын

True, personally I support the idea with different dividisions

@thedapperdolphin1590

5 ай бұрын

Those places are are subsidized by the urban/suburban areas. Rural parts of the country have a small population, so not much of a tax base. And most of the economic activity happens in in the urban areas. Rural parts of the state wouldn’t be able to sustain themselves. It also wouldn’t address any divides because, contrary to popular belief, political division is more between cities/inner ring suburbs and outer ring suburbs. You can find a good deal of conservatives in rural areas, but again, they don’t have a large enough population to make up much of that movement. It’s mostly in wealthy, outer suburbs. And that’s hardly an issue with just the West Coast. More states would also just cause more political headaches. Rural areas already have disproportionately large influence given their populations, as each state gets two senators. So more rural states just gives more political influence to a very small percentage of the population.

@sm1522

5 ай бұрын

@thedapperdolphin1590 that doesn't mean that they cannot have their own localized regional government

@digitalfootballer9032

5 ай бұрын

Same is true in NY. We hate NYC and Albany.

@digitalfootballer9032

5 ай бұрын

​@@thedapperdolphin1590We, in the rural areas, also produce all the food and resources for the cities. Upstate NY where I live is one of the biggest dairy producing areas in the country. Not to mention crops like corn, logging, and areas we could open up to fracking which the state has outlawed at this point.

I've lived in the bay area all my life. I don't know if splitting the state would actually solve any practical problems for me, but I am kind of enamored with the idea of splitting the state north-south. When I've traveled to LA to visit family, it feels like traveling to another planet. Southern Oregon feels much more like "home" to me than southern California, and I live wayyy south of any of that State of Jefferson nonsense (my friend from Redding gets salty when I call the bay area "northern" California). Everyone agrees that SF and LA are the nuclei of urban California, but they often get lumped together because they usually vote the same way when really the cultural divide between them is huge. Probably not as dramatic as the urban/rural divide, but it's still significant. So just on intuitive, emotional level, I like the idea of northern California being its own state (with its southern border being somewhere between Monterey and Santa Barbara), but I'm not confident it would actually be a good thing for the state on a practical level. The politically motivated proposals to split the state on red/blue or urban/rural lines strike me as fundamentally misguided. I suspect it's just populist posturing from politicians who know their constituencies are furious at the status quo, but have no actual ideas on how to help them, or no intent on executing the ideas that they do have. Cutting out the wealthiest parts of the state is just going to doom the poorer parts to even greater economic hardship. Hopefully these proposals help draw attention to California's very real and very horrible inequality problems, but I think if they were to actually pass it would make things worse instead of better.

@TheCriminalViolin

5 ай бұрын

Thus why everywhere just gets apathetic, says fuck it whatever, and accepts the status quo, assuming "its better than the alternatives!". Voluntarily stuck in a fucked up situation. People have to realize they're actively tying themselves and everyone else up and actively working to put themselves into a impossible position with that mentality. You're shooting all options down because at the root, its uncomfortable and new, and nobody truly knows what will happen if they did those things. On top of it, it also proves everybody and their dead grandmother knows the entire system at every level is so egregiously corrupt, that it doesn't matter how they vote, what they say or do, it will only get worse, not better.

@MrJethroha

5 ай бұрын

I agree, Northern and Southern California are vastly different and the logical place to divide the state, since below the grapevine SoCal is basically a single gigantic metro area with more than 50% of the population. North of that California is more balanced between urban and rural regions. If the state were divided they would put more focus on the very different characters of the two regions. IMO the same could be done for New York, Illinios and Florida, which also have very distinct north south divides. Texas and Pennsylvania might do the same on the grounds of an east west divide. The biggest shame of all this would be potentially dividing the state university systems, especially the UC, CSU, CCC systems in California. In itself, dividing the state wouldn't solve any problems, so it'll likely never happen, but it could help refocus the new state governments on more specific interests.

@Kp-2

5 ай бұрын

LA isnt that different from the bay. I grew up in san franciscos mission district and now i live in Richmond, it’s different but i cant say south oregon would feel more like home. The entire central valley feels like texas tho and most bay area and la residents hate that area

@dr.davidenglish778

5 ай бұрын

Please please please Californians DO NOT MOVE TO OREGON. We don't want you. You are a scourge. Stay in your own hell state. *note: This comment is somewhat sarcastic given where I was born*

@tavitollc

4 ай бұрын

I feel out of place more up north. Im from Alameda County and felt way more comfortable down south. Probably because Im Mexican lol😊

If the north succeeded and became the state of Jefferson, they would essentially be a west coast west Virginia. There isn't much in the way of industry or agriculture there because it's very mountainous and forested, meaning the new state government would be constantly strapped for cash. This especially an issue because most of the residents wanted to succeed for lower taxes, meaning an already underfunded would be constantly cutting taxes, which would then cause the degradation of infrastructure and government services.

@dkoda840

5 ай бұрын

Yep it would just be another red state leaching off the country.

@Tobyvideos

5 ай бұрын

Jefferson would have two important resources that the rest of California would buy. Water and timber. Plus a few more tribal casinos along the way

@Nickobot558

5 ай бұрын

The Timber industry has already contracted significantly and restricting water access to the south is dubious since it would require huge costly infrastructure. Not to mention no other gov't bodies would vote to grant the new Norcal money to wall themselves out of the naturally occurring resource. This whole Jeffersonian political push is the same push of old dying cultures trying to have relevance in the world. Like the Confederacy before it. Grow a real economy and maybe people will take you seriously. @@Tobyvideos

@donaldtrumplover2254

5 ай бұрын

Don’t forget they essentially have a World Trade Center in two of there cities. With great manufacturing potential towards microchips and other complex products.

@alexmacdonald1998

5 ай бұрын

But then again, they would probably cut a bunch of funding to programs they felt unnecessary. I'm by no means well informed on this subject, I'm just going off exterior bias. Case in point, I am a construction contractor in Edmonton Alberta. It is an open joke that everything causes cancer in California. While some believe this is because the environment is as toxic as some of its citizens, it is actually because how many innocuous products contain a warning that the state of California has found this product to possibly cause cancer. Regulatory bodies cost money and I'm sure this is not an isolated incident. Again, no expert here, but I would suspect that getting rid of costly attempts, viewed as futile or even counter productive, to protect citizens from, themselves is as great a motivation as social, political or geographical ones.

Bro your videos are amazing in quality I appreciate your work immensely.

@General.Knowledge

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! And thanks for watching :)

@bredsheeran2897

6 ай бұрын

@@General.Knowledge your welcome!

As a native Californian who has always lived in the rural north, I can definitely see some reasons to do it. For one, the water that falls up here gets stripped away for the south state’s water needs. This hampers our agriculture in the north, as well as harming our fisheries. At the same time Southern California gets our water, we don’t get their oil or other resources in exchange. Furthermore, LA alone can outvote the northern third of the state, meaning Northern Californian concerns will never be a priority in Sacramento.

@rinlo1424

4 ай бұрын

That's where the House of Representatives is supposed to come in.

very informative learned a lot.

Being from California, I am actually in favor of the state dividing. It has more than enough counties to make new states. Not to mention it's one of the bigger states and it's becoming more commercial over the years.

@linkfromzelda1002

5 ай бұрын

The political implications of this would be massive. We'd see movements to divide states like Texas, Oregon, Washington, Michigan, Ohio, just off the top of my head, as a result as well.

@epicwhat001

5 ай бұрын

I like it the way it is right now. The bigger the state the less the federal government influence state policies.

Speaking as someone who has lived in California all my life, and all my local friends have now moved away, I no longer have any opposition to the six-state division taking place.

@brianweber4154

6 ай бұрын

6 capitols 6 governors 6 legislatures 6 sets of all gov offices

@General.Knowledge

6 ай бұрын

What made you change your mind?

@jonathanbowers8964

6 ай бұрын

You would get some additional blue state senators based on this division plan.

@SomeGuys31415

5 ай бұрын

@@jonathanbowers8964no you wouldn’t. In this plan you’d get more red states than blue. Jefferson and Central California would be solid GOP, South California would heavily lean GOP, and North California would lean GOP but be more of a purple state. Silicon Valley would lean Dem and only West California would be solid Dem. Silicon Valley and West CA have about 48% (18.1m) of CA’s current population, North CA has about 10% (3.8m) of CA’s population. And the tree GOP solid or leaning states would have about 42% (10.7m in South CA, 4.2m in Central CA and only 0.9 in Jefferson). Heck, the two solid GOP states would gain 1/3 of CA’s senate power despite having only 14% of the CA’s population. This was never anything more than a poorly disguised GOP attempt to gerrymander CA.

As a life long Californian who still lives in SoCal, I believe any proposel is ridiculous and will never happen.

@SmokeyChipOatley

5 ай бұрын

Same. Born, raised and still reside in northern Los Angeles county. I can maybe see a split between SoCal and NorCal possibly because there is a noticable cultural difference between the two. But that doesn't mean I don't like our fellow northern statesmen at all. I actually haven't met a Bay area/NorCal person I didn't like so a split would genuinely make me sad.

@donaldtrumplover2254

5 ай бұрын

A split would just make the presidential elections even more unfair

@dustinkelly9543

5 ай бұрын

After 17 years in orange county, 4 in long Beach, 4 in Fresno, 4 in Sacramento, and now 3 in lassen I don't think it is ridiculous at all. In fact I might say it will become nearly certain. It is a sad situation, but genuinely 80% of this state is opposed to its own political agenda. Doesn't mean we can't be great neighbors!

@robertmartinjr.4537

5 ай бұрын

​@dustinkelly9543 it's not going to happen😂 you mean Republicans are sore from being politically toothless in a majority blue state. Soooooo they want to pack up their toys and make a new sandbox😂 If the state split up you won't be around to see it💯

@danielgodfrey4415

5 ай бұрын

Too many red states that'll form I'd California were to be split up.

I am a 3rd generation Californian. My kids are 4th generation Californians. My Grandson is a 5th generation Californian. I am old...65 years old. I believe that the problem has to do with representation. Back when the country was relatively small it was decided that each state would get 2 senators. Considering our size and population, I believe, perhaps this might be a topic for discussion. Splitting up the state just seems wrong to me.

@SeasideDetective2

5 ай бұрын

I think it's too late for balkanization, anyway. When I took a history course in college, I learned that anthropologists consider any population with 10,000 or more inhabitants to be a miniature state, as opposed to a tribal village. And, given that Henry David Thoreau's vision for America was a semi-civilized, egalitarian utopia of isolated villages, anything approximating that vision today would have to consist of many thousands of sovereign city-states, each with a separate democratic, social-democratic, or even socialist government. Our country would then resemble a modernized version of the "primitive" jungle communities of Papua New Guinea - or, more realistically, the many principalities of modern-day Germany, Austria, and northern Italy during the centuries of the Holy Roman Empire. That would obviously never work, because our 21st-century technology would effortlessly breach borders, land disputes would be practically unsolvable, and immigration issues would be a nightmare. But I've argued that, even if we couldn't return to the beginning of civilization, splitting the USA into a confederation of (at least) 50 sovereign republics would be a good compromise. We would be in an arrangement similar to the pre-Brexit European Union. But others have told me that not all of the 50 states are equally developed, and many are too dependent on the others to break away.

@lisalovett1638

5 ай бұрын

@@SeasideDetective2 Okay...I guess...we are all entitled to our own opinions. Like I said...I am old.

@justin423

5 ай бұрын

If you split up the State, you get more Senators. (which is why we have 2 Dakotas instead of 1, and why Wyoming is a state. Republicans admitted them with tiny populations in the 1890's for those Senate seats.

I would be ok with California dividing as long as Texas does too

The reasons Santa Clara and Santa Cruz counties weren't at that meeting is because they are in Northern Califronia. Yreka ia pronounce "why-ree-kah". Tehachapi is "teh-HATCH-uhpee". The Tehachapi Mountains are a natural boundary and you can feel that when you drive I-5 in either direction. Once you come down it looks and feels like a different place. The main problem with most of these proposals is that it splits metro areas like the Bay Area and the LA area. The other issue is that going the rural vs urban route creates very rich areas and aras that would be more dependent on the federal government so Congres would never approve that type of plan. The rural areas would not have much of a tax base and that would now be entirely within the borders of another state.

@rinlo1424

4 ай бұрын

As someone who grew up in Santa Cruz and who still lives here, we're not in "Northern California. We're in Central California. From North to South, we're pretty much right in the middle.

The reason this comes up so often is because the lines are drawn so badly, generally ignoring important geographical features. And most people can agree they are bad but there are hundreds of other option, most also bad. But here's a random suggestion: make California a federal state with 5 or 6 provinces. Powers will be divided between the state and the provinces but the state would talk to the Federal Government.

I really enjoyed this new style of video

California should definitely split into several states. It already is several states, they just haven’t made it official yet.

You should definitely do a video on the greater Idaho project and it’s nuts

Everyone’s always talking about new states but nobody ever discusses the return to a United Virginia

@Hoppelite

5 ай бұрын

It would save Virginia from the Democratic occupation of that beautiful land.

I think some amount of division makes sense. Right now it's a secondary level government trying to manage an economy the size of Germany's or India's without all the tools to do so, and getting equal representation in the Senate with states like Wyoming and Vermont whose populations and economies are 1% California's size. But I'm sick of hearing about urban/rural divides. We can divide California between San Francisco and Los Angeles, but we're not having all-urban and all-rural states. Urban and rural areas make each other's lifestyles possible. If all the urbanites were convinced to move out of cities, the rural areas would not be happy with the result of having their land divided up by a far larger population. Cities are necessary, even Mongolia has one.

@RicochetForce

5 ай бұрын

Yup, cities are naturally occurring. i don't think there's a country on Earth that has no cities.

Idea for a video: Why did it take so much longer for a unified centralized Italian state to form compared to France and Spain?

@General.Knowledge

6 ай бұрын

Good idea!

Nice video! Why did you put the Cumbres & Toltec Railroad in here? That is in Colorado.

I don’t think I knew bout the Shashta state proposal idea. Jefferson/Cascadia state proposals I had an idea on.

Your research is appreciated and the presentation is clear and informative. But as a Californian, I was distracted by some mispronunciations.

It's not really a crazy idea to redraw a host of state lines. Never going to happen, but it's not crazy.

Watching the views and likes go up right after uploading is is satisfying

We've had the same 48 states/boundaries since 1912 and for anything like this to happen you must have the consent of both Congress AND the state legislatures of all the states involved. It's just not realistic and such a thing MUST be for non-partisan reasons.

Great video.

Honestly this is the same as Canada. Its kinda like WHY is Canada together? BC is a strange place minus Nothrern BC which has nothin in common with the lower mainland. Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba and up to Thunder Bay Ontario are vastly different than the rest of Ontario and Canada. The Southern Canada is so much different than the rest and Quebec is Quebec. Then there are the Atlantic Provinces that could also be their own Country. Seriously do a video also like this as us in Canada are NOT as united as we make the rest of the world think.

Honestly seems like a good idea like a united california is just WAY too treathening.

@General.Knowledge

6 ай бұрын

In which ways do you think it's threatening?

@Necromediancer

6 ай бұрын

There's nothing threatening about California. People vote, not land. And the majority of people are Democrat whether you like it or not. I don't see anyone wanting to divide Texas.

@DefenseOnTitan

5 ай бұрын

What do you mean by that?

@iplyrunescape305

5 ай бұрын

@@Necromediancer if so then why have states? You are asking for a unitary country like France. And remember this is a constitutional republic, an actual "democracy" hasn't actually been existent since Ancient Greece.

I know they try and make seperation via county lines due to the voting requirements, however that doesn’t make real sense. The state should be broken up by major watershed, not county lines

Bro's Avatar is literally Ferb Napoleon...Nice!

What could be a wrench in any state split is the Appointment Act of 1929. If California split into six states, that would add ten more US Senators but no new House members. And the House is well overdue for Apportionment for the current population. It also effects the election of President. If we update our congressional apportionment by increasing its number, we can see states break apart more easily.

@andrewchristiansen8311

6 ай бұрын

They just lost a seat due to population loss of people moving.

@RedXlV

5 ай бұрын

The fact that the House has remained at 435 members for a century is insane. If anything, there should about a thousand more House seats added.

@RicochetForce

5 ай бұрын

@@RedXlV We have a political party whose entire point is dismantling and weakening government rule. All of us will be dust in the ground before they ever agree to actualkly let the House expand to what it should be.

@RedXlV

5 ай бұрын

@@RicochetForce And the other party is too milquetoast to actually enact such a simple and obvious reform even when they have the majority.

@DanSolo871

5 ай бұрын

@@RedXlV our one man, one vote has been watered down because we’ve chosen to create more agencies with unelected bureaucrats, rather than grow the size of the House. When the 435 seats was established, districts were roughly 250K people on average. Now they average 750k people so our voice in Congress has diminished 200% A 300k district size would give us around 1,099 House members which sounds like a lot, but if we put our elected officials in charge instead of unelected bureaucrats, the people will have more of a say on policy.

Something needs to be done. And it needs to happen very soon. California is the worst run state in the union. Crime is aff the charts. But they pretend it's not because they made crime legal. It's literally The Purge in California. I lived there until last year. I literally saw a crime happen with my own eyes at least once a week. This might be shoplifting, assault, drunk driving, or car theft etc. None of these people would receive any serious justice. Since I left, I have only seen one drunk driver. In an entire year. I went from seeing four crimes a month to one per year. Oh, and I was in a low crime area. Hesperia CA. One of the lowest crime rates in the Golden Pee State. There's no way to fix this for everyone. Too many Californians vote for derps. The only way anyone gets relief is a state wide breakup.

@TheGhostOf2020

2 ай бұрын

Dude Texas has the same crime rate as California as of 2023 stats and aren’t even in the top ten… what are you smoking. Crime is not legal. How can that be true while California has one of the largest and most crowded incarceration systems of any state. You need to get out of the echo chamber my guy.

As an upstate New Yorker, I can relate. However, in NY I think a state split is Ill advised because the economy upstate is terrible, and they would be worse off for it.

@bruhbutwhytho2301

5 ай бұрын

Shirt term yes, long term maybe??

@RicochetForce

5 ай бұрын

Yup, I've seen how Republican and Conservative folks in the rural and upstate parts of NY State can be propose things like this. Without realizing it'd be horrendous. You'd essentially create a nearly 100% red state that'd wind up like a new West Virginia. But I guess folks speaking out of bitterness or anger aren't really thinking straight or long term.

@MegrelMamba

5 ай бұрын

​@RicochetForce West Virginia is completely landlocked and highly mountainous with barely any valleys, there is a difference between the two.

@RicochetForce

5 ай бұрын

@@MegrelMamba Not enough differences to offset the poverty and misery this split would bring to this newly blood red "New York".

@-RunninNGunnin-

5 ай бұрын

When you meet foreigners and they ask you where are you from and you tell them you're from New York, are they always like "OHH NEW YORK CITY! THE BIG APPLE! THAT'S SO COOL YOU'RE SO COOL DUDE" 😂 Then you're like 😩

If we're splitting California to better represent the population, we need to split all big states for this exact same reason. That would be an interesting video. I wonder how many states we'd have then?

@Imgonnabeastarstarstarstar

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, for example like Texas. You have the stereotypical place, like Dallas and fort-worth, but then you have Austin and Houston. I live in Houston and been to Dallas a few times and the demographics are just so different… that’s why Texas politics is like all divided and stuff

@billmartin9733

5 ай бұрын

And combine the low population states.

@digitalfootballer9032

5 ай бұрын

New York for sure. Could be split into southeast NY (5 NYC buroughs + Long Island), and upstate NY (everything else). It's like two completely different worlds.

@quanbrooklynkid7776

5 ай бұрын

Damn

@RicochetForce

5 ай бұрын

@@digitalfootballer9032 Err, have you seen the economic data on that? This would be ruinous for many states where the economic engine is a particular region. This feels more like conservatives want to wall themselves off into Red Zones where they all utter control.

Eureka!! Where are you from?

Wow, I never heard of any of these proposed splits except for the Jefferson State one.

As a Californian... this would be a horrible idea. There are a few spots of extreme wealth in this state and anyone on the wealthy side is going to find stuff like housing way harder to afford while everywhere else will lose land value and plenty of other issues.

What these plans fail to recognize is despite the differences on a state level, everyone still gets their way at the local level. So everyone still feels like they have somewhat of a vote that counts, and if anything the central and NorCal counties rep California way harder than the coastal towns do. CA knows it should take care of everyone to make sure nothing like this materializes.

@TheCriminalViolin

5 ай бұрын

Ironically, if these statement were remotely true, then these concepts would have never even materialized in the first place. It is because neither of those statements you made being true, that they were born, and are catching so much steam the last 3-5 years or so. People do NOT feel like their voices and votes matter, count or are heard, and thus do not see their values represented and materialize at the local, regional or state levels in the first place. Thus, they're pretty pissed through this perpetual, multi-generational neglect they've had to experience and live throughout the years.

there will always be an urban/rural divide no matter what you do. even if they split these more rural areas will eventually make an urban area then the whole debates will come back. and I don't know why rural voters always say people don't listen to them when at the same time urban voters always feel like the government is always trying to appease rural voters.

@RedXlV

5 ай бұрын

Rural voters already have a disproportionately large political voice, but they insist it should be even larger. Because they think they should get to outright dominate the urban majority.

@RicochetForce

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, what rural voters don't understand is this: The city is the most economically and socially efficient means of human work, by far. When people want to get massive amoutns of shit done, as efficiently and effectively as possible... they form cities. That means city living, city culture comes about in response to the different demands of city living, and the increased wealth, density and diversity of the people in the cities leads to further cultural changes. And people are right that rural people are listened to way more than they should be. Our system in the U.S. devalues urban dwellers despite the country steadily moving to one where the majority of people live in cities. It makes no sense for the many to be lead around by the few.

@RedXlV

5 ай бұрын

@@RicochetForce IIRC, the United States already has something like 80% living in either large cities or suburbs of large cities. It's utterly *insane* how much power the rural minority is given.

@RicochetForce

5 ай бұрын

@@RedXlV I knew we passed a milestone recently, but I didn't know it was 80%. If so then it's completely shameless that our political machine is essentially silencing the majority of Americas while amplifying people whose cocerns ad goals aren't shared with the rest of the nation.

why, at the start, are oregon, idaho and montana fused together?

Should do a video on NY wanting to break up. The downstate is deranged in laws its been pushing lately, basically laws guaranteed to kill people upstate like going after gas stoves. NY power infrastructure was damaged years ago by a tropical storm so losing power in winter is common. Nothing gets fixed until it breaks completely.

@davidslife989

5 ай бұрын

Read my mind!

The 21st century proposals are purely political based because indeed the rural counties are always overshadowed by the urban counties, which basically decide the elections. But that is true for many states: 90% of the counties in Illinois vote primarily conservative but the counties surrounding Chicago make it a blue state, you know, the whole people vs land thing. None of the recent proposals make any logical sense in economics, logistics, and the management of natural and water resources as a whole. Splitting up the state in multiple states as proposed would actually be disastrous for the "red" states in the proposals, because many projects are paid for with the tax dollars generated by the urban areas. A few of the conservative states would basically go bankrupt instantly, because the amount of money pushed into the collection of counties outweighs the amount of taxes collected in said counties. Road projects, water management projects (albeit ones that primarily feed water into the cities), and agriculture projects/subsidies would immediately be halted, and if you think the farmers of California have a hard time now, many would likely not survive without the tax dollars from urban areas. A split in itself...... isn't a terrible thing, but it makes much more economical, logistical and financial sense to split the state in two down the middle, with a north and a south. Conservatives don't want this because it would essentially split the one blue state into two blue states, giving the two California's two senators more in DC. But from an economical and logisitical point of view, it makes much more sense and could actually be a viable solution. The problem is that states with big rural areas (Illinois is once again a good example of that) NEED the tax dollars from the bigger cities to survive. The federal government isn't going to help them. States like Louisiana with it's rural areas survive because of the New Orleans and Baton Rouge areas. Georgia makes its money because of Atlanta. A potential "West Kansas" would go bankrupt immediately because of the tax dollars from the more urbanized areas in the East of Kansas. Idaho/Boise, Utah/SLC, Oregon/Portland..... if any of these states split, the state that ends up with the bigger cities.... essentially "wins" if you could call it that, and the ones without will very slowly start to run behind. They would have their conservative governors and senators most likely, but they would become poor states. To the point: Rural areas absolutely NEED the tax dollars generated by cities, and taking that away by splitting it off.... is a disaster waiting to happen. West Virginia and Virginia is a great example of this, because West Virginia doesn't have the land to even build a bigger city and logistical infrastructure because of the mountains. Virginia itself is where all the economic hubs are and where the riches are, and West Virginia was never able to climb out of the hole it dug itself due to its geographical isolation in the mountains. There is a reason why way fewer people live in larger rural counties in California, and the challenges of the land aren't going to be overcome very easily or cheaply.

Lol silicon valley as it's own thing is hilarious

Sounds like the problem is the US Electoral College system. California could do what Maine and Nebraska do: having their electoral votes to be in proportion of the popular votes in presidential elections.

@digitalfootballer9032

5 ай бұрын

If every state did that, Democrats would never win another national election, so this is why states like CA and NY would never do it, because they are run by Democrats.

@noHarmony1

5 ай бұрын

@@digitalfootballer9032 Unless I misunderstand what you mean here I think you have it the wrong way around. If every state split its vote, the result would be closer to the popular vote, right? Republicans have only won one single national popular vote since the beginning of this century if Im not mistaken. Because while republican voters in states like California and NY would be able to have their vote really count, same goes for states like Texas and Florida.

@9TDF

5 ай бұрын

@@noHarmony1 If split EVs where fair that could screw both parties possibly one could take a harder hit . A district system would be difficult at a large of a scale like CA oy NY or TX (due to the massive population and number of EVs being dealt with plus trying to make it fair ) plus that state governments there might try to influence how that's set up. Smaller states like AL like battleground states like Ga, could have less issues. Split the EVs up by popular vote then 3rd parties could pick off enough EVs to trigger a Contingent election(this might result in more 3rd parties running ), plus in the deeper blue states in deeper blue districts there are republicans that don't vote because it won't change their district or the EVs votes but not their vote will effect the results (The reverse could apply in other states).

The thought of California having 12 senators is frightening to say the least

@JLAvey

6 ай бұрын

To be fair, I doubt Jefferson would follow the rest, so it'll be ten at most. I'm surprised the DNC ain't pushing it.

@Necromediancer

6 ай бұрын

Now you know how we feel about sparsely populated backwaters having the same power as us.

@GOJOSATORUWILLIVE

5 ай бұрын

as californian i agree

@billmartin9733

5 ай бұрын

Perhaps we should combine both Dakotas Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska, and Idaho all in one state to make things more fair.

@charlesbrooks94

5 ай бұрын

4-6 of them will be Republicans and not what most people think of when they think of the typical “California Politician” (an example of that stereotype being Governor Newsome).

Hello again!

@General.Knowledge

6 ай бұрын

Hi!

Needs to happen, people are not properly represented locally and California has too much power nationality. I also would like to see city states in the East and Midwest.

@illustration7090

5 ай бұрын

As a person who lives in the Midwest, ahhh HELL NAHHHH

@wewillwin24

5 ай бұрын

@@illustration7090 why.. you don't think a place like Chicago is much different than the rest of Illinois.

Under Mexican rule at one time, there was the Department of Las Californias where Baja and Alta California were combined as a territory and it was of course much bigger than what each state is now. I don’t think it should be split up at all now. Makes it sound nice when you can say it has the world’s 5th largest economy or something like that. Maybe it should just change back to the Alta California name or make it New California.

@bundayeti

5 ай бұрын

And change the flag to the one in New Vegas, the ultimate improvement

That map looked marginally more reasonable than the one I saw before then, which basically made a very odd shaped state that would make one state with a weird jut into Silicon Valley-basically since there are no real major sources of revenue out in the eastern part of this proposed state, so they would create this strange spike so they can make off with Silicon Valley to make it pay for everything in the vast rural rump of the proposed state.

@pokegan52

5 ай бұрын

I live in that jut, it’s not even Silicon Valley LOL It’s where we all live as commuters or WFH to SV. Also, most of contra costa country is poor up north by the delta, with 90% of the population having nothing to do with tech. Most of the tech population resides south of the Lamorinda/Walnut Creek Area.

@darter9000

5 ай бұрын

@@pokegan52 You might be seeing a different map and, to be sure, there are a lot floating around by this point-looks like Tim Draper floated like… three? There is one of those proposals that isolated out nearly all the urban counties from the larger new state, except Santa Clara County…

I lived there 8 years i for sure wish it had been split but I think the counties in each should probably switch around a bit.

I know that being Portuguese you instinctively want to pronounce all the Spanish words in a more Spanish way, but for those watching, its often confusing when the words they know are pronounced almost unrecognizably. For instance, Yreka is pronounced Why-Reeka, and Tehachapi is pronounced Teh-Hă-Chuh-Pee with emphasis on Hă. Edit: also Nevada. The only people who call Nevada Ne-vaw-da are the people who dont live there. Nevadans and the nearby states pronounce it Nevăda. I live in California's Central Valley and we have the Sierra Nevada mountain range, its pronounced that way.

There are a lot of proposals for this.

A split in the state could cause big issues with the state water project, LA aqueduct and Colorado River Aqueduct all feeding southern California from Northern or eastern California. I can't see a way the agencies in charge of those will retain the autonomy they have now as a unified California.

As a San Diegan, I feel like the most obvious division isn’t being considered: Los Angeles from the rest of the state that has to deal with Los Angeles

Zone 4 needs to have a connection to the ocean. For international distribution purposes.

As a California native it would be nice to have the individual areas have more direct control of there laws and regulations. At this point in time the large cities have the power of law and legislation which often conflicts or contradicts the lifestyles or cultures of the none metropolitan areas. But as beneficial as I think it would be the political power of LA and SF outweighs any current desire to split at this moment in time, it may change as cost of living or over legislation increases but we shall see.

Great idea. Sacramento is so unresponsive to the needs of the people of California. Only the people in a few influential areas does the government listen to, the rest of the state is ignored.

@caesar-dynastysports

5 ай бұрын

Literally every American says this about their state. This is not a uniquely California issue.

@daprofessakid

5 ай бұрын

That’s not unique to California. Visit any state in the south and you will see the difference worse

@guizot2010

5 ай бұрын

The different areas will still have the same problems whether it's one state or two or four or six. People think that just dividing a state is going solve all their problem like some kind of fairy tale , but those problems are related to larger issues that go beyond state boundaries. Most of the problems they're referring to could be solved on the county level, but are they doing that? No.

Connecticut has the same problems as California, which is the blue cities are holding rural areas hostage. In Connecticut, if you took Bridgeport, New Haven, Hartford and Waterbury, youd see that Connecticut would be a purple swing state instead of a blue state. California, if you took LA and San Fran and San Jose out, you might see a purple state, still more blue, yet you wouldn't have crazies running it. The State of Jefferson would be intersting, since it would be a reddish purple state. I'd think it might be done soon .. Of course, a few other secessionist movements are around the US, too...

@RicochetForce

5 ай бұрын

Rural areas hold cities hostage, not the other way around. Backwards, retrograde rural folks have world views born of a lack of exposure to other people and places. Rural people have too much power in our elections due to our broken setup that was made to appease wealthy land-owning slaves.

@Emporkommling

5 ай бұрын

And yet it's always big city liberals who won't let townie conservatives do their own thing. If the right is such an economic drain, and they want independence, why not let them leave?

Yes, east and west California please. Those of us outside of big city's have no voice.

NY also wants to split into two states. NYC would be one state (which includes two counties outside of NYC), while everything else would be New Amsterdam. As per the California spilt three seems fine. Six seems extreme! It's interesting to note that most of the spilt for California is based on red and blue areas. NOT surprising though.

@SeasideDetective2

5 ай бұрын

From what I've heard, the Bronx would probably split off and fuse with Westchester County, since its politics are slightly different from those of the rest of Manhattan.

As someone who is not from California, I would only agree to the proposals of … - The 1991 Two-Way State Split at 10:18 - The 1992 3-Way State Split at 10:23 … being as they make sense for the whole state divide of California! On the other hand however, I would not ever agree to the proposals of … - The Six Californias Idea at 13:18 - The Three States Split Attempt at 14:16 … being as they don’t make sense to me, whenever reading the split of state-names altogether.

What the heck happened to Montana, Idaho, and Oregon at 0:01 why are they all together?!?!?!

I was born in #2, raised in #4, worked in #3, and retired in #1 - my brothers were both born and raised in #4 and left the state, 1 left the country.

I believe that not only California but also Texas could benefit from division. These states, with their immense size and influence, wield considerable power. Fragmenting them might prove advantageous for the overall well-being of the United States.

Californian here, we need a new state constitution and rewrite the entire system from the beginning.

@General.Knowledge

6 ай бұрын

Interesting! Why do you think that's needed?

@KennyNGA

6 ай бұрын

​@@General.KnowledgeI think because 2pac was killed in California

@JLAvey

6 ай бұрын

Y'all need a hard reset of government.

@Necromediancer

6 ай бұрын

What's wrong with the constitution?

@KennyNGA

5 ай бұрын

@@Necromediancer 2pac was killed there

I lived in California for 60 years and at one time there was a ballot measured to be put on that would’ve split the state into three but unfortunately the California Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional for obvious reasons they did not want to diminish their power. The states would’ve been Northern California, Central or Coastal California, and the third state would have been Southern California. Never heard of six and this was during 2016 period of time. Where I live northern California was not getting representation and was dominated by the Bay Area and Southern California. When I was a child, there was going be two states, northern and southern California, so they talked about this for a long time.

I'd like to implement this process in Victoria, Australia 👌 But it's more simplistic by moving the population of selective towns & cities to Tasmania 😶

@amybaehler7362

5 ай бұрын

This is very interesting. I went on a New Zealand and Australian cruise with my 86 year old grandpa 22 years ago. When I was in Hobart, Tasmania I noticed a lot of people that I would describe in the USA as hillbillies or rednecks. I wonder if that is the population you are talking about.

I grew up in the bay area but have lived in a rural northern California county my entire adult life, one that would be part of jeffereson. I personally agree that there should be some sort of divide, the state government's actions show time and time again that our decisions do not matter in votes or taxes.

great idea.

Do the other states from the other video.

I think 3 is the max amount of times it could be split. Like: Northern California: Jefferson Central California: California Southern California: Reagan (or something better idk lol)

A constitutional amendment to the California Constitution may be placed on the ballot by either a two-thirds vote in the California State Legislature or by signatures equal to 8% of the votes cast in the last gubernatorial election through the exercise of the initiative power by the voters. The signature requirement for constitutional amendments is among the lowest thresholds for similar measures of any U.S. state.

I would like to see a New York episode on this topic

When all the cards are down; the whole point and difficulty is how (borrowed) water is distributed. Selling water to southern California has the rest of California foaming at the mouth. Then the tech boom made the BayArea loose with money. Again, splitting them off to sell them water became extremely worthwhile to other regions. As it is, California has to share its limited water between two major metropolitan areas in vastly different climates, and the massive agricultural corporations. Separation would mean negotiations with dollar signs, instead each area spends all their time begging daddy (governor) for what they believe is their entitlement. The fact that California can't resolve this issue internally is a perfect model of why the States can never truly be United.

Splitting into six states is ridiculous. Just cut out the SFO Bay Area and the City of LA and make them two states, and the Rest of California can be one state minus those two hellholes. For balance in the Senate, allow the Upper Peninsula of Michigan do become its own state.

@digitalfootballer9032

5 ай бұрын

NYC should be it's own state. The rest of NY feels about them like Californians do about SF and LA.

@ivandragomiloff2356

5 ай бұрын

@@digitalfootballer9032 Agreed. I I’m certain the rest of Illinois feels the same way about Chicago.

@Yvonne-Bella

5 ай бұрын

You do realize that by attempting to separate the most populated areas of a state is going to end in failure right?

@ivandragomiloff2356

5 ай бұрын

@@Yvonne-Bella lol the state is failing already Huge Debt, Crime uncontrolled in cities, homeless tents everywhere, wild fires because of crazy environmentalists, PG&E murdering people and getting away with it, while raising rates, businesses leaving state, taxes out of control, and wait for heft year when trucks will be banned because they run on diesel, schools will become more hellish because teachers will no longer be able to send out students who defy them, and lawns will be not mowed because all landscapers have to convert to electric batteries 😂

the three CAs proposal makes a ton of sense, but we should also consolidate the small states. North and South Dakota and Nebraska should be ONE medium population state, Rhode Island should fall into CT, etc. Maine, NH and Vermont together is a much smaller sIZE than NY for example, and infinitely smaller than CA TX FL. Split also TX, FL ,and other states with 20 or more million people. Keep total no of states at 50.

There're already a Baja California and a South Baja California

@godstenrules

5 ай бұрын

One name I think would be cool would be Alta California, & Alta California Sur The Mexican states Baja California and Baja California Sur mean Low California and Southern Low California. The word Alta means High in Spanish. So Alta California would mean High California and Alta California Sur would mean Southern High California

It might be more realistic to take the Six States map and turn them into self-governing regions within California, and limit the State government to just a handful of issues. Still would be hard to do, but it would be a lot easier than fully separating from Cali. Another option is to return to California’s old “Little Federal Model” which would force the State level to operate on consensus-based governance

No one mentioing Oregon, Idaho, and Montana being one state at the beginning

I dont like how that map separated orange county from la county, imo they should be combined a lot of similarities exist. Instead of 6 it should be none, but a good map would be like 4 instead of 6

As a resident of eastern California up in the mountains near Yosemite, I would have my county join Jefferson if it ever actually became a thing.

I hope it splits. Sacramento clearly thinks San Francisco politics should be applied everywhere with zero consideration for discussion

If I was in Californian coast from between LA and San Francisco and made a city “CoolVille”/“Los Cooland” whenever I had chance of making new city in California, would I ask US government to make new state in California?

Patrolling the Mojave maked you wish for a nuclear winter

I lived in both Southern California and Northern California for 90% of my life, and yes there is a difference between the two in many ways. And I totally support a split at least into 2 states. Preferably North and South. The state has way too many under represented cities, but citizens. For example: Their is a sharp contrast between cities like San Bernardino California in the south vs Santa Clara California in the north. Or Santa Cruz Beach vs Newport Beach. Even the people different.

@epicwhat001

5 ай бұрын

There will always be a minority. Welcome to democracy

California really should be split, as a Californian resident, im particularly in favor of Oregon getting Del Norte, Humboldt, Mendocino, Trinity, Siskiyou, Shasta, Modoc, and Lassen. Then everything south of that border to Monterey, Kings, Tulare, Fresno, and Mono (i guess you could add Inyo but like i want to give it a unique looking border and not a straight line) could be (North) California Then everything south of that could be South California or more realistically just name the state Los Angeles because thats basically what it is at that point (ya ya ya San Diego, people only know California as 1 of 2 things, San Francisco and Los Angeles, and since LA is the 2nd biggest city population wise, just name it that, like how its New York City, New York. It could be Los Angeles City, Los Angeles)

we should just do away with state lines on congressional district maps and redraw congressional districts after every census. so that every district is roughly equivalent in population and senators are given a cluster of districts roughly in size.

The h in Tehachapi isn't silent actually

I think this would be a great idea. With how America elect their president tho the EC system this would better reflect the concerns of more people living in Cali in elections

yes at least socal upto morro bay and the Tehachapi Mountains and norcal everything north of that

“Land doesn’t vote” but it grows your food!

@RicochetForce

5 ай бұрын

But land does not vote. Giving more power to empty space and the vanishingly low amount of people there is not smart.

@BMWE90HQ

5 ай бұрын

@@RicochetForce and giving all the power to a few huge cities is? So they can tell the rest of the country how to live.

@iplyrunescape305

5 ай бұрын

@@BMWE90HQ facts. I didn't know General Knowledge was this biased.

Santa Clara and Santa Cruz counties are officially in Northern California, so they would not have attended any meeting where the southern counties would set up a new state.

Please no, one is already too many

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