My father, son of an italian immigrant, told me this story millions of times. There were tons of inaccuracies in his story, some for making it more interesting, some others for just the lack of details, being himself been born not long before the accident happening. Anyway, this is one of the several "details" in my life that gave me fascination for the sea and sailing, becoming the first to sail in my family. Thanks for telling it, it brought me tons of memories from these beautiful times from my childhood

I purchased a sailboat last summer - my eventual retirement home on the waves - and one of the first major purchases I will be making before setting off to sail around Vancouver Island will be a radar and AIS system . . . I'm a single-handed sailor so such things are basically a requirement if I want to do things safely. Thanks for making this content - I like your style - very calm and "just the facts, ma'am" . . .

My story...I had a 25 foot sailboat. Exiting the San Diego harbor along Point Loma. A submarine was coming in. They didn't slow down. But they sent a rib with 4 youngsters aboard. They didn't grab my bowline, but yelled different instructions. Go South. Go North. And behind me was an exiting destroyer. At near full speed. I got smashed. My boat in the seabed. At the moment, I threw my dog and jumped, and swam, barely missing the rudder wash of the destroyer. The coast guard admiral interviewed me and chastised the navy to me. In the end ..you can't sue the U.S. navy. Also, I have seen navy ship drop lots of garbage just outside the harbor (one time).

As a sailor, you have such great insights on what went wrong. I'm looking forward to your next video!

As a child, I well remember hearing radio reports, hour-by-hour as the sinking of the Andrea Doria progressed to its inevitable conclusion. It was heart-wrenching to hear then and again in your re-telling: a tragedy that could have been avoided.

Professor Historsea - a gifted storyteller and marine historian. 👍

I was a young engineer when the Stockholm ran into the Andrea Doria. On an American T2SEA1 Oil Tanker . We were all required to read the report on the collision. Mostly we came down on the side of the Stockholm. I would comment on the "facts" None of us considered a 20 degree roll excessive, we had a roll indicator on the bridge which often went well over 40 degrees. our Radar was particularly ineffective as it only showed where you were with relation to your own position. It was 1958 before we were fitted with relative positioning. That is your position relative to other ships in the range

An idea for a future episode: the Tea Clippers and especially the Cutty Sark, before steam engines, before the opening of the Suez Canal, these fastest sailing ships were marvels of marine architecture and engineering. I'd love to hear you tell us more about them. Thanks for all you do.

Historsea should explore the collision between the Imo and the Mount Blanc, which created the largest maritime explosion in history prior to 1917 in Halifax harbor.

Ok, getting addicted now, I have already seen a documentary on this, but at 16 minutes, i am freaking out.

This sad story resembles so Closely the earlier collision of Arctic and Vesta! Just off North America in the fog, larger vessel turns to port instead of to starboard and the smaller vessel penetrates the forward section. Larger ship sinks and smaller ship somehow survives making it to port with bow damage. Amazing, sad, horrifying in both cases.

Story idea: I will warn you that this is an INCREDIBLY sad and controversial story!! The story of the "Sinking of MV Sewol". This was in South Korea, 2014 and the death toll was 306 out of 476 souls on board, a percentage greater than the Titanic. Most of the passengers were high school students on a school trip. The weather was bad, but the Sewol was the only ship to obtain permission to sail that day. The vessel had been heavily modified and was not seaworthy. The Coast Guard rescued the Officers and bridge crew but very few others. Many of the rescue divers were so disturbed by this that they took their own lives. Much of the documentation was taken from the cell phones of the children who died (as they were told to stay put). All the children who obeyed, did not survive.

@kevio6868

Жыл бұрын

what a horrific tragedy anything can happen on the open seas

@craigparse1439

Жыл бұрын

@kevio6868 This was in sight of land. The working theory is that this was intentional and meant to distract the public from government investigations. Tragic... yes. Horrific... definitely!!

The work you have done is impressive, accurate and professional. As a sailor your style and optimism shine through with all your works including your Lady K Sailing expressions. I have an interest in maritime sociology which your Erie Canal videos contribute to showing the relation of the ocean to society which is the basis of marine sociology not only in terms of economics but transportation and the social consequences of community developments along the route and the long-term impact and consequences. I would love to see your demonstration of the importance and history of Long Island Sound as the American Mediterranean, and perhaps the development of the Salem Massachusetts seaport under mercantilism contributing to the split between the town and village that precipitated the witchcraft trials. A fellow sailor Erik Aanderaa which I am sure you know about travels the North Sea with many island societies which I am sure have a unique history. There are endless possibilities, and I am sure that you will make an important contribution if you continue the series.

Sugestion: the history of American coastal scooners. The book Wake of the Coasters is a very good source of this material. Also, the build and sailing history of the Americas Cup "J Boat" Reliance, as cronicled in the book Temple to the Wind, is a terrific story. You are off to a great start! A history of Marine painting and photography, plus, a history of Lighthouses would all benifit from your wonderfuly skillful presentation ability!

Awesome mate, my heart goes out to little Norma and her family.

Was lisening to this while making art for a luxury cruise ship :) The irony did not escape me. I joust hope it does not end up at the bottom of the sea one day.

Great presentation. Indeed, a lot of still and film footage exists of the Andrea Doria on her last hours. I lost a good friend 30 years ago diving her, after successfully diving her several times before. She's fairly deep for most recreational divers. I wasn't aware the 4 year old survivor had died in the hospital. So sad. Unfortunately, ships still hit each other even in clear days and in brought daylight. Not sure why.

The Stockholm was not head on to the Andrea Doria, It was just off the starboard bow. The Andrea Doria turned to port to open the range with the Stockholm. For some reason the officer on the Stockholm thought the Andrea Doria was on his port bow, so he turned to starboard to open the range. But Since the Andrea Doria was on his starboard bow not the port, when he turned to starboard he turned directly towards the Andrea Doria. All of that was in the board of inquiry, I'm surprised you missed it.

As I'm bingeing your vids you are becoming more and more Hemingwayesque to me, another fab narration, Bravo!

Well covered Sad Tragedy Tim, Well Done. Bob in Wales. 👍✨️✨️

@brownnoise357

Жыл бұрын

@*UncleJoe* I'm in the Original South West Wales, though am also a Naturalised Cardi which is more Mid Wales, and the Next County up from this one. Hopefully leaving before too long though as I'm in dire need of Tropical Heat for a few years before I can come back. Just waiting on the Funds for my Next Sailboat, then I'm off over the Horizon again. Best Wishes. Bob in Wales. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️

@brownnoise357

Жыл бұрын

@*UncleJoe* PS. Have you looked at the Island packet 349 ? if still able to single hand, and not in need of two heads and Showers, that little beauty would be top of my list. 4ft Draft too. Pretty close to the perfect small liveaboard Cruiser imho. Bob. 🤔👍

@brownnoise357

Жыл бұрын

@*UncleJoe* There are some nice Jeanneau boats for reasonable money and an ok Shallow Draft, from late 1990's and 15 to 20 years old, plus Elan Yachts Impression range, with a Draft of 1.6 mtr. Which for me is as deep a draft as I'm prepared to go, with a bolt on Keel, so Keel Lrverage Moments on Keel to Hull Join plus Fixing bolt Stretching, are all kept within acceptable tolerances. I have seen the effects of Grounding such Shallow Keels, and while checks post grounding are needed, unless the grounding was at full speed, the effects usually are mild enough, to get you to next haulout ok. Which to me is pretty reassuring. tbh, I really like the Construction of Bavaria and Dufour Boats, but neither of them do a shallow enough Draft for me. their post 1990's Farr Designs, are first class, and really well built, and you could well find an absolute bargain, amongst the flood of boats that is going to become available soon after the Economic Crash far worse than 2008 that is coming. Large numbers of good boats were Scuttled and given away from 2008, as people just couldn't afford to keep them any longer. Many people would prefer their Boat they have cared for go to someone who can continue looking after it. Me, I might just be able to help keep Island Packet going with an order, Or, take over a part builtvthat a Cystomer can no longer afford to complete. Heck, I may even be able to help keep the team going, by getting a few part builts completed. May have to sit on them for a couple of years, but that'd be better than money in Failed Banks lol. Best Wishes, and Best of Luck finding a Great Boat. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️

@kevio6868

Жыл бұрын

@@brownnoise357 once you get the funds how one sustain the income to continue? Sorry if it's a stupid question. Thanks for sharing

@brownnoise357

Жыл бұрын

@@kevio6868 Luckily, when Worried about the EU Stealing Everything From Everyone, after they Looted Cyprus and Greece, Silver Bullion was cheap at the time, and as it is the most undervalued Commodity in the World, and has been deliberately price suppressed for over 170 years now, once the price Breaks Out the Sailboat and being able to look after it OK, Should be fine, God Willing. It's Outside of EU and British Jurisdiction too. tbh, I wish I could afford a bit more, as it really is Far More Precious than Gold, given what it is used for. Gold, to me, is a really good roofing material as far as practical uses go, but other than that, it's just Bling. Best Wishes. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️

Speaking of Italy and boat crashes, I hope you consider a video on Concordia. I just found your channel while searching for videos on the Erie Canal. I grew up less than a mile from the Barge Canal in Utica and now live only blocks away from the original Erie path in Whitesboro. My son and I are canal enthusiasts. The Erie spawned several lateral canals, one such canal was the Black River Canal. There’s an interesting story originating in Forestport on the construction of that canal where much of the town agreed to blow a section of it up to result in canal workers coming to town to repair the damage, bringing with them the spending of their paychecks.

Fascinating as always, thank you. Like any new technologies being used in the public realm for the first time there will be problems, irrespective of industry. But, the learning from these inevitable issues, eventually improves/benefits said industry. As long as we, the inventors/engineers are not or do not become complacent in our developments and are willing to learn from mistakes (we don't know it all) then we can progress for the good.

Hearing that how many mistakes they made, doesn't surprise me at all. I work in England, for a big logistic company. Seeing how much people have no clue what theyre donig, how much the health and safety rules are ignored, watching that the weak and inept leadership just cant enforce the simplest regulations, is shocking. And everything is ok until somebody gets injured, then theyre surprised how it could happen. And everything goes on as before. All the measurements that have been taken serve no other purpose but to push the responsibility further, not to prevent problems. After all these im not surprised that other companies dont care about things too.

You should do the wreck of the Japanese school boat that was hit by a us submarine!

I remember the story of the Andrea Doria but I can't remember why or what from. I'm a scuba diver. I have a small boat 20 ft in/out board I got in the divorce I don't use it. But I love wreck diving. There is a book I got in Erie PA about the wrecks of Lake Erie from the dive shop there. Erie used to be a ship building area.

Thanks for posting, this is a great new channel you created, really enjoying

Glad the I found your channel.

More great history. Thanks for sharing

Excellent.

NEST EPISOD PLEASE! You got me hooked.

Good video really enjoyed this

Great content!

Thank you for this episode which I had in a previous comment suggested to you. although I’m sure you were planning on doing it anyway. There’s a very good book about this incident. That’s a fun read. I forgot the name of it but I read it decades ago in high school.

Another great episode Tim. Thoughts on doing an episode on the USS Forrestal fire in '67?

Most all rules in sailing, as well as aviation, are written in the blood of those who came before.

Île de France coming out of the darkness with all lights blazing must've been quite the sight to behold.

@kay9549

3 күн бұрын

Actually the ide de France did turn around to aid in picking up survivors, as other transports as well as the Swedish line ship MS Stockholm. Its ironic the Swedish line Stockholm is still sailing, even though she has been refitted, renamed, flown many flags of other countries, she will be the pride of Sweden.

I wonder whether it would be worthwhile to put a system on ships much like the one on planes called TCAS (traffic collision and avoidance system) that automatically senses other crafts and coordinated to instruct each one how to avoid the other. It seems that humans can learn what to do in an emergency but there are some people who just get flustered when it actually happens. No one knows how they will react to an emergency so if there's an automated system that simply tells a person what to do like TCAS, even people who completely freak out would have the computer telling them what to do. I know ships aren't traveling at 500 mph so this is probably why this isn't already a thing but it seems like it would be something useful to ships as well. I imagine cost is an issue but with various technologies getting cheaper, it might be something to consider.

They were in heavy fog and radar was in it's infancy.

Sound sucks. Bouncy. Love the channel!

You should do the Andrea Gail

@scottgibson6735

Жыл бұрын

We don’t really know what happened to the Andrea GalrIy appears like she sailed into Sea state conditions,she couldn’t handlr

Andrea Doria used steam turbines so the water mixing with fuel is not an issue. They often have both seawater and fuel in the same tanks on some subs even though they use diesel. Counter flooding was 100% needed though.

@MrRgr004

Жыл бұрын

Fail to understand your statement that water mixing was not an issue because she was a steam turbine ship … one needs fuel to produce steam in the boiler. Tank cleaning would have been an issue to avoid pollution when deballasting.

@terrydavis8451

11 ай бұрын

@@MrRgr004 There were zero pollution regulation at sea until the 70s and didnt get supper tight until around the 2000s. My point was there are several vessels, like subs who had fuel and water in the same tank at the same time.

@MrRgr004

11 ай бұрын

@@terrydavis8451 Have no experience in submarines but having fuel and water in the same tank at the same time is definitively something an engine officer is unwilling to experience. Try some water in your car gas tank and see what happens. One can always expect having some level of water in marine fuel, and that is why ships are fitted with settling tanks so that fuel then thereafter goes through the purifier systems before being later burnt by the engine or boiler. Am fully aware that pollution regulations in the fifties were very limited, however iI seriously doubt any chief engineer would have instructed to directly pump out oily water in ports like New Yark or Genoa before taking in fuel. Fact that fuel tanks were not used for ballasting on Andrea Doria speaks for itself. Root cause of the stability problem definitively lies in the ship designers hand, not in the engine department crew.

So when you coming to Belfast to do the titanic?? :)

The Ile de France was built in the late 1920's so she was not a World War I era ship

I know you're doing pretty well already, but I think you'll do even better if you invest in a good mic and sound dampening.

Comment for the almighty algorithm

Were they listing too much to flood the port fuel tanks ? Why blame the Italiams when the Stockholm was clearly on the wrong course ? When I was sailing at night I would always contact ships in the near vicinity.

@kay9549

3 күн бұрын

Perhaps the andrea doria should have lessen her speed, more than she did, since she was traveling through a fog bank. Actually the Stockholm did lose crew members that resided in the bow area, there cabin area, when they struck the doria.

@kay9549

3 күн бұрын

Actually the Stockholm did follow the correct rules of the road, unfortunately the doria was much closer than they expected her to be. The doria did not reduce her speed, changed course, unfortunately both ships were on a collision course to each other. Here is a question, tossed out to you all, why did not the bridge crew pick up the ships log or any other materials, such a navigational maps, that plotted there course. Why was that not done ? It would have been pertinent in the court proceedings.

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tourist class lol

echo is to much to watch any thing here