I don't have all the answers. Your opinion matters. Keep the discussion civilized and let's talk!

@slimboarder.o7

Жыл бұрын

Ai good

@epicfilms4life507

Жыл бұрын

I think Ai is alright...

@DissonantSynth

Жыл бұрын

My argument has always been that AI should **enhance** the creative/artistic process, not **replace** it.

@AngryecksButActually

Жыл бұрын

@@DissonantSynth person who draws stuff here, I love you.

@DissonantSynth

Жыл бұрын

@@AngryecksButActually I'm a singer, pianist and music producer, so I'm extremely passionate about all this AI stuff as well. I'm really just trying my best to look out for artists. That includes Jonas.

Dear jonas, I really have to congratulate you. You've worked your hardest to keep posting content on KZread and making cool games and programs. This documentary is probably the peak of your effort. You are really a success of a person.

@JonasTyroller

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! :)

@titok0018

Жыл бұрын

@@JonasTyroller the beggining of humans is kinda cool if you tell the ai make a picture about this

Amazing job on this documentary Jonas! Your hard work on this really shows!

@junyong0716

Жыл бұрын

hello

@cerostymc

Жыл бұрын

Hard work, yes. But that doesn't mean everything he says is right. Sadly there were a lot of dismissive arguments regarding the "is AI art theft" debate...

@Dindonmasker

Жыл бұрын

coming from you, this is a massive compliment.

@Zoova

Жыл бұрын

Love your work DoodleChaos

@SineEyed

Жыл бұрын

@@cerostymc yeah but there really is no debate. Ai art is not theft in any way, shape, or form. Those who think differently should first remedy their own ignorance, before doing much of anything else..

To be fair, the only reason I was able to guess that they were all AI generated, was because I wasn't playing the ''image guessing'' game, I was playing the ''predicting the youtuber trying to prove a point about that you're not able to tell the difference between the real and fake images'' game.

@rodnee2340

Жыл бұрын

Some of the facial gestures are typically AI I think. For instance it does this eyebrow raising thing that just looks a little off or predictable.

Жыл бұрын

@@rodnee2340 Depends. There is no such thing as a typical thing though. It could be a feature of the model (the trained network used) if that was what was wanted.

@rodnee2340

Жыл бұрын

@ well that explains the fact it looks unnatural and predictable. Uncanny valley so to speak. I think we are a very long way in making avatars and machines look human. But CGIs of humans are getting there. But they never look quite natural. And it's hard to put your finger on it.

@nomindseye

Жыл бұрын

AI is easily spotted in bigger resolution. That's why it's still not even close professionally usable. 2k is not big enough for print, and when even it's that big it's obvious that it's an AI image. It's not actually about the mistakes, it's the... Well the algorithm. It generates these sort of impressionist images, but with a "style" of "brushstrokes" that are super obvious to anyone who actually looks at art critically.

34:00 the protest on ArtStation isnt to just boycote AI, its to protect their work from being stolen to the database, and signify that it was human generated

@SineEyed

Жыл бұрын

I love that they did that because it shows unequivocally that they have no fucking idea how ai image generation happens. The artists against ai have taken their position out of blind ignorance. It's both hilarious and disappointing at the same time..

@flow185

Жыл бұрын

@@SineEyed bruh they litterally get their work stolen

@SineEyed

Жыл бұрын

@@flow185 no images were "stolen". You must not know what that word means.. 😒

@strawbeare

Жыл бұрын

​@@SineEyed you definitely do not know what your talking about for you to have the audacity to say they're art weren't being stolen, and EVEN MORE audacity to say that they don't know what it means to steal something

@SineEyed

Жыл бұрын

@@strawbeare in your opinion, maybe. If anyone were to make an objective analysis of the facts, however, it is quite unlikely that they would find themselves in agreement with you..

It's a pleasure to be included as a little part of this massive project. Thank you, and great work on the documentary, Jonas. I hope this reaches, informs and inspires as many people as possible.

Gotta love how the corporates' priority, and by extension, humanity's priority, isn't to cure cancer with A.I, fix climate change, fix human suffrage in third world countries, etc, but to replace creatives and fight who is going to have the better means of control upon us. And you also gotta love how we all must say "these corporations are too powerful, and the toys they are giving me are too fun" instead of putting checks and balances. Gotta love humanity overall.

@sonar3108

Жыл бұрын

I feel like we're digital twins. Solidarity.

@Paradox1012

Жыл бұрын

Play xenoblade 3 and then come back and tell me that corporate and humanity are "the same thing". You aren't seeing the whole only a Half.

@netanelaker4437

Жыл бұрын

@@sonar3108 Solidarity brother :) may we survive this insane time!

@netanelaker4437

Жыл бұрын

@@Paradox1012 Corporations literally run the world. I don't care where you live - your government is lobbied hard by corporations. This comment is on KZread, a corporation. Everything you consume is a corporation. I can go on and on but spare me.

@Paradox1012

Жыл бұрын

@@netanelaker4437 But corporations are not humanity itself. You worded it this way and I vehemently disagree with that position.

I really appreciate you taking the time to make this, Jonas. It's incredibly import as it effects the future for everyone. Thanks so much!

I’m not against any tools or systems themselves, I’m against the lazy people that are flooding art sites with garbage. Hands with extra fingers and blending with other body part, continuity issues on the negative space, and overall weird errors on the image. Plus they’re often generic (100s of pictures whose character have the same faces). Any bad person can rapidly “spam” garbage content on the site and render finding actual art as finding a needle in a haystack. Even if the copyright problem is fixed, gaining an audience (views, subscribers, patreon supporters) is much harder than ever.

@ghb323

Жыл бұрын

This can also cause moderation headaches. Because of its speed and its resemblance to real art, automated moderation isn’t able to tell what work is AI generated, stolen content, or real art. Imangine these so-called “YTPMV” (youtube poop music videos, music videos made using samples from other sources such as sound effects) veg replace shuric scans (appears extremely often if you look up “YTPMV” and search by most recent, thumbnails consist of 3 canvas stacked in the center and 2 canvas on either side of it, all being 42 seconds long) made by amateur users. But a lot less obvious. With a platform infested with garbage at such a degree, may very well make finding content as hard as finding a shiny pokémon.

Having spent the past 6 years with a part time job to enter the creative industry, there's always going to be room for the best. However, I can't see how this won't kill the majority of entry jobs in the creative industry. In my opinion, cleaning up the A.I's illustration to me, sucks any joy out of the job. There's a huge difference if you're just tangetial to being a specialist & hold loose opinions about this. But don't go full Dunning-Kruger & state that it's fine as it is. Btw, the A.I. is very skewed toward the top 1% of art in its data set as it's the desired outcome. The majority of it's training is done by the body of work of professionals without our permission. All traning data is not created equal so it's not as far removed as you guys insinuate. It's happening regardless is not a valid argument for exploitation & misuse.

@Antares-vj7su

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, people put some emotional music in the background and start talking about how art is deep inside human emotions so artists will be happy 4ever and ever. Art is business, artists are hired and if there is a solution around that is 100x cheaper, faster and doesn't even require sleep well they will wipe thir butt with human emotions. AI is already replacing creative jobs and it will be a doomsday for the industry.

@ennmatien9941

Жыл бұрын

Yup, also its not like its gonna "create new jobs" As tech evangelists would claim. No one is worried about their job taken by them, the job will dissapear in the first place. No one is gonna pay someone to do abysmall labour like typing prompts, Just cut the middleman. What would likely to happen for big studios is that the already senior artists would be required to generate and fix the mush that ai vomits with their technical skills, while firing all the junior artists. For indie studios, well no need to commission artists anymore. No one is getting a new job by adapting to this, it is not just a tool, it will mow entire industries.

@crepooscul

Жыл бұрын

@@ennmatien9941 Tech evangelists say that "this will create more jobs" while also saying that "AI art is good for indie devs, because they no longer need to pay artists" which is just hilariously contradictory.(undeservingly that is, because like it or not, the most important part of generating AI images is the actual artwork of artists that's used by the software while they get NOTHING in return for their hard work). So this is pure baffling insanity. We as humans are charging into chaos with nothing other than baseless optimism as an argument for why doing it is a good idea.

@joyfulnoize6958

Жыл бұрын

​@@crepooscul it's almost like the ones in charge could give zero f's. Crushed under the monster truck wheels of 'Progress'

@crepooscul

Жыл бұрын

@@joyfulnoize6958 Of course they don't give an f. Just like the common fool who pushes for this nonsense should learn that those in charge will not give an f when they'll lose their jobs, they won't get their utopian "UBI", and instead they'll starve.

I think AI is going to be perfect for feeding the masses, like you describe in 27:20 In my opinion, a lot of self expression has already turned into "content", just make a new tiktok account and look at the stuff you get. For this type of stuff, AI will be perfect. It will make stuff that grabs your attention, you give it a like, and scroll to next one. I am already sick of effortless,attention grabbing content on the internet, and I think as time goes on, it will only become more effortless and more soulless because of AI. This would probably lead to more and more people getting sick of the content, and looking for stuff with personality, and creative expression, which would lead to more creators making that type of content again.

@ITR

Жыл бұрын

One problem is that the more trash there is, the more difficult it will be for actual good content to be discoverable.

@Paradox1012

Жыл бұрын

​@@ITR A War Of Siphoning And Dividing Data Will Ocurr Then.

@tomatom9666

Жыл бұрын

@@ITR The trash is darwinian, it's survival of the fittest, if you get stuck mindlessly scrolling, it's a lot like falling in to pit of quicksand, it's crucial that all of us develop very precise abilities to separate the gold from trash

@ITR

Жыл бұрын

@@tomatom9666 The problem isn't being able to separate good from bad, the problem is how many bad you need to look at before finding something good.

@ZephyrinSkies

Жыл бұрын

I don't think we should discount the potential damage to people's collective mental health where they may be less capable or motivated to seek out quality content.

I think AI art will likely drive artists offline to create "organic human made" art to distinguish themselves from AI. If AI art is indistinguishable from the real thing artists will have to go out of their way to prove they actually made the art themselves, maybe a video of the entire process of making the art will be included as a certificate of authenticity. Or even live art making in front of an audience. People forget that we appreciate impressive human talent.

@mikexhotmail

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. ps. It is kind of funny to realize that those amateur Tiktokers are much more "Original" than digital artist?

@kellyanquoe

Жыл бұрын

First heard this opinion in 2005

@jhhwild

Жыл бұрын

@@kellyanquoe Was AI art a thing back then?

@mikeduke57

Жыл бұрын

A lot of artists post video clips on Instagram and other Social Media of them drawing / painting etc a work in progress at different stages of development.

@johncasey9544

Жыл бұрын

I think there will be a huge evolution in electronic music about manipulating ai to make weird alien unheard stuff. As a musician that's what I'm planning to do; much more interesting than learning an instrument better.

My guy casually dropping this masterpiece like it’s a normal video

What is being meant when people talk about AI being a grift is not that the technology itself is a grift, but rather that many grifters have caught onto it and are trying to deliberately devalue the work of artists and probe the publications working with artists and paying them money. These people see generative AI as a get-rich-quick scheme to speedrun art without putting in much of a real effort, and that really sucks. P.S. Cryptographic proof doesn’t need to be tied to a blockchain, let’s stop forcing this “Web3” meme for good.

@JonasTyroller

Жыл бұрын

Fair point.

@SineEyed

Жыл бұрын

@Jane Smith tell me where your biases are, without telling me where your biases are. Sheesh! lol But anyway... the information you're presupposing with your little hypotheticals there, has been around for a while. You could have gone and read those TOS yourself, but for some reason, you decided not to. And then you made the choice to comment here, letting everyone know how lazy and ignorant you actually are. Go figure.. 😒

@hellomate639

Жыл бұрын

AI is worse than that. AI would be a horror in a society where people don't have to work. It creates numbing stimulation in the place of meaningful connection - and it uses the sacred expressive moments mechanically morphed into a machine to do it.

When people discuss AI, a lot of the times they present it as some abstract magical entity that one day will replace us or something. But in reality AI doesn't exist in and of itself. There's always a human actor involved. Whether it is a person creating and training AI or a person just using it, there always is someone "pushing the button". So the issues we're now facing aren't really about the AI. They are about how we as humans interact with each other. Be it something practical like copyright laws and art theft, or something philosophical like what we consider "art". AI just managed to push these issues to their extreme in a really short span of time, applied enough pressure to reveal the problems we've been sweeping under the rug. In that regard, it is unfair to blame "AI" for anything. It is actually helping us by forcing us to face these problems.

@Survivalist_Redo

Жыл бұрын

You remind me of guns It just manifests the symptoms of a disease that was already there

@JonasTyroller

Жыл бұрын

Interesting point, yeah. AI is not autonomous yet, however I wouldn't be on it never getting there. If that's something that interests you, I can recommend to watch some stuff by David (link in description) who talks about mental architectures a lot. Besides that I think you are probably right, for the foreseeable future AI is mostly a human problem. The AI is fed with human data as well, so the fact that this first version of Bing Chat is emotionally unstable is more like a mirror in front of our face.

@MrAldafox

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. AI is thought of as to be some nebulous thing where as like you say, it ultimately has people behind it. In a way what you're seeing is a group of people (the class of those behind the development and funding of AI technologies) consolidating their power and convincing all of us to buy into it and bolster them up.

@tomatom9666

Жыл бұрын

It's an extrusion of humanity. If you know something about 3d modelling you know what I mean.

@jayedwin98020

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully, "AI" will have the ability to expand each person's talents from where they currently are. Although, I'm afraid the "negatives of AI" are very real, and just waiting to pounce.

A masterpiece. You going all-in in the tools you showed us, instead of the usual KZreadr route of minimal effort into maximal content is my favourite part.

This is, by far, the best piece of content that you've made Jonas. And that's saying a lot, your stuff has always been consistently great. Deep, thoughtful, explored from all sides, funny, friendly, and professional. Next level my friend, your passion really shines in this one.

This documentary is insane. Great job on it Jonas! Proud to be able to say I helped. Looking forward to seeing what people think. (Now go take a nap)

How grim and depressing. Interesting video regardless.

Thanks for having me Jonas. You are a master of KZread and game dev. I’m just in awe of what you’ve made here

This video is amazing, the effort put into it is truly speechless. I've understood and learned lots of things from this. Great video Jonas, keep going.

It is hard to have a nuanced discussion when a bunch of artificial artists ("prompt engineers") enter the field of art and intentionally insult professional artists, antagonize them, steal their work, and then claim to be art gods. All while threatening to end their careers.

@netanelaker4437

Жыл бұрын

The only good take in this comment section. Thank you.

@maxponce1668

Жыл бұрын

Me thinks that's the usual toxicity when something new drops, specially when you read the really shitty stuff that artists say and then the ai users answer something ever worse and so on. TLDR the internet being r*tarded

@sonar3108

Жыл бұрын

I hear you. They are colonizing the core of the world of each artists' creation, but people expect artists to be nice about it. Check out Decolonial AI Manyfesto, which some Stanford students created. The main voice behind it did a talk that is worth watching and that you can find on KZread. It's titled "Sawubona" Ubuntu Ethics for AI by Sabelo Mhlambi. I'm learning that the parallels with colonization are very real and the exploitation is at every stage and global, including underpaying Kenyan workers to sift through horrific content to clean up ChatGPT. Imagine if we all joined forces.

@netanelaker4437

Жыл бұрын

@@sonar3108 I'll read about it. I knew about the Kenyan workers. The thing is - A.I tech bros think that companies like OpenAI wants to usher a new era of prosperity and a utopia. One should only point out that a foundation built on slavery and exploitation isn't a utopia, and it never will. Also, if they think a corporation would build the tools to dismantle Capitalism, the very system they worship - that's just won't be. The thing that we need is ethical, FOR THE WORKERS A.I generative models and companies, possibly decentralized. Show the people that A.I shouldn't be synonymous with destabilization and exploitation and that there is another way.

@sonar3108

Жыл бұрын

@@netanelaker4437 Yes, it's mind boggling how many people just trust the tech industry as though it is any different from any other exploitative industry. I guess this is partly because so many of us are wedded to our phones and laptops that they seem like an extension of us. We've become so reliant on tech that we take them at their word even when they brazenly break the law.

Awesome video man. You can really feel the heart and effort that went into it, the passion behind it, the human in it. And that makes art. So thanks Jonas, for something deeply nuanced in a time of turbulence.

@swissyode

Жыл бұрын

sure, this will be a rare jem once all the videos are being cranked out by AI.

Thanks for making this video. I'm an illustrator and I was thoroughly depressed by AI art. Now after watching this video, I'm still depressed, I'm not sure if I'm more depressed or less. But hey at least now I know I'm not alone. We can all be sad humans together. Ignore my profile picture, I am not a cat.

@swissyode

Жыл бұрын

as someone who has always aspired to be an illustrator, but never felt talented enough, I feel now I'll never be good enough and so there's no reason to try and that I should give up on all my dreams.

@Cyliandre441

Жыл бұрын

@@swissyode Don't, your art doesn't have to be profitable or popular to have value. Even of your art doesn't make money or is wonky it is something only you can create. Your dreams are more important than anything else, everything should be in service to them. They should always have a place in your life, no matter how big or small.

@hanh7395

Жыл бұрын

@@swissyode I feel you dude. And that's a sad fact. I'm afraid more and more people will spend less time trying to learn how to draw and instead learn the technical shit behind setting up how to make AI art. But I guess it boils down to interest or passion. If you're really interested in learning art I guess you'll continue regardless if there's a financial incentive or not. And think about it, if more and more people use AI to create art, those of us who still can do it will be part of the uncommon. But like the video have mentioned, it doesn't hurt to learn how to do both. At least we'll be part of the spectrum of AI + human art. Don't give up 👍🏻

@dustasdu

Жыл бұрын

I'm going through a masive meaning crisis. This whole AI thing shaked my entire world. Im a trained artist, I work in theater and I make music in my free time so art is my reason to live. There's nothing more important to me. I dont think about this shit every day but I know there's a storm coming. I hope for the best, but I just dont know yet. I send you my love!

@defaulted9485

Жыл бұрын

@@swissyode I feel you dude, it's a vicious cycle of suffering knowing we human will be fractured and now exposed to real people who does not even see another human as you talk to them. As a preface I say AI is evil because we paid it thrice to extort us. First they took our copyright. Second they took a culture and profit off without the people who preserves it. Third and mainly, it costs a lot of server power, graphic power, energy drain, and absurd electrical power to train the AI, to remove eco friendly people who power their art using their own sweat, blood, and tears. It's just an abomination to the environment, and look what governments do. Sell Carbon Credits for eco friendly company. Forget the individuals who already does it in a practical and environmentally safe technique. THEY ARE MONETIZING COMMON SENSE, MONETIZING WELLNESS, MONETIZING KINDNESS, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO JUSTIFY THIS? I haven't found any answer to combat this since its a systematic international bureaucratic financially motivated evil, but I can say for certain the age of "Dead/Bot Internet Theory" is at hand. Now we may only see artists in real life, who worked through sweat and tears as we see them. For all things impermanent, including AI, but I will always remember the artists who helped me become what I am. Citation and Reference fails evil people, and such will be my guide. Thank you Junji Ito, janyhero, Yoneyama Mai, Kuraiaku, whoisshe, shnva, Scootkenn, Popukyun, Ask, jacknife, azLing, Wincalblanke, Kuroblood, Kim Jung Gi, Masashi Kishimoto, Eiichiro Oda, Kubo Tite, Alex Hirsch, Isaac Asimov, Niccolo Machiavelli, Salvador Dali, Vincent van Gogh, Pablo Picasso, Rembrandt, Michelangelo, Akira Toriyama, Osamu Tezuka, Hayao and Goro Miyazaki, Makoto Shinkai, Quentin Tarantino, Martin Scorsese, and Stephen King. I have come full circle. Thanks to my parents to not believe everything on the internet, now I shall help them not believe anything in the internet. I guess this would most likely be the last year where we anonymously see others as humans anymore. So long, anonymous user. May your real life now escapes this fakeness anonymity of chaos.

Just as much as an artist continuing to make art because they enjoy it should be able to still feed, shelter, and care for themselves, so should the people stocking the stores shelves. so should the people packing amazon orders. so should the people growing food. so should the people delivering food. so should the people serving food. so should the people creating automobiles. so should the people caring for others. This notion of "entry level jobs" not being deserving of being able to afford to live is ridiculous when just 50 years ago someone doing the same labor was able to afford such things.

@netanelaker4437

Жыл бұрын

Yap. Notice how tech is evolving while the quality of life remains the same.

This is the best video about AI related I've watched in KZread. You really balance for both sides and pros and cons. I just hope people would think like you with fair mind. We have to be really careful or all of us will lose our mean for lively hood.

I have nothing to add to the conversation right now, but I just want to say that this was a great documentary and I hope it blows up and gets a lot of views, awesome job!

I never expected something like this, but this is by far your best video. Respect for disabling ads on this hour and a half masterpiece.

I've been reading Human Compatible, listening to Lex Friedman's interviews with AI giants and overall researching the hell out of basic things like the alignment issue, but I didn't expect to find such an insightful and well thought out video on the subject from another game developer. Good work Jonas, and also Thomas for his part.

Fantastic video on a very intriguing and important topic. Timing also could not be any better(considering all recent advances and Microsoft vs Google stuff). AI changes the world at the insane pace and no one really knows what comes, but it's here to stay, that's 4sure. I watched the whole thing almost in one go. Just excellent! From overview of technologies and their applications to deep philosophical questions about morality, potential future and overall role of h00mans on this journey... Bravo! This is definitely one of your best videos Jonas! You are truly a gem of community. Everyone involved did an amazing job. Thank you for the video!

woah thanks for hosting david , really didn't expect to see him, i knew documentary will be miles better. i knew this documentary would explore the subject realistically instead ending up as just another video online. you really made a wise choice for choosing someone versed in cognitive architecture .

The quality of this video is absolutely incredible! It was a pleasure watching it from start to finish!!

@Mekhel

Жыл бұрын

You know you've succeeded on KZread when scammers are using your name to scam ppl.

Probably one of the best videos on KZread right now on this topic. The intro already sold me and the rest of the video was equally as amazing.

I did not watch this video at first because of the length, but thank god I finally decided to do it. This was a very informative and mind blowing documentary. Jonas your hard work really shows. Thank you for this masterpiece of a video

@TalEdds

Жыл бұрын

​@John Sinatra Great outlook and sentiment. Should have posted it as a comment on its own. People need to think more like you instead of being their pessimistic and dystopic self. 👍

Beyond amazing, impartial, insightful, and even spiritual. Great job Jonas (and collaborators). Thanks for the hard work, insane hours, and passion that must have gone into this video. I'll share wildly and look forward to the discussions to come. Bravo!

You are one of the few people I know and have heard say that our opinions can be different but we can be friends. My wife and I have best friends that have nearly opposite opinions and viewpoints as us. We wouldn't hate them for anything. I wish everyone could be that way. Thank you for your content!

Re: replacing artists. Human-produced art will never stop being created, but its prevalence and the motivation to create it will certainly be inhibited by economic factors. No job = no money = no time and resources.

@MrDelord39

Жыл бұрын

No time is just wrong. You just have less time because you have to do it in your free time.

@beaverson

Жыл бұрын

@@MrDelord39 Will all just be stuck working at amazon warehouses forever, having are futures and voices stripped from use.. All slaves, forever working for the 1%..

This is one of the best A.I opinion vids I've seen yet . A.I , we seem to be applying it to art first . Thats very human.

You made a 90 minute documentary? Sweet! I love your content and this was a timely topic with some fresh perspectives, even if I skipped 20 minutes where you explained the tools since I am already well versed in the tools.

Absolutely brilliant video Jonas! AI is a huge topic and you've really managed to dive deep into many conversations around it. Personally I think there is a lot of worry right now because we don't know how far AI will go, it seems like it has a lot of space to grow and that is understandably worrying. If we take a moment to understand the tools we have right now, work out how best to use them and how we want to use them then I think things will be okay. It's just going to take a moment to adjust.

Great documentary! 90 minutes well invested, funny, informative and to the point! Sharing it with friends!

This is amazingly high quality!

Best take on the subject ive seen so far. You're a great video essayist!

I didn't expect this video on your channel, but it is such an important topic and I am looking forward to watching all the way through.

Really great documentary on all their is to know about A.I and its impact on the art world. Can't imagine how much work you put into this video, Thanks so much for your work Jonas!

Jonas, this is great, and I love your optimism. You only spoke to a handful of devs, however, so I'm quite looking forward to a follow-up where you ask more indies about their outlook on AI.

Thank you for taking the time to create helpful video. Artist needed a full picture of what is coming and you were very thorough in exploring all the industries that will be affected. This will be a classic documentary in the years to come. Keep up the great work you are doing.

Your documentary got me thinking really hard. what exactly is art? I had the same anguish the last year at the art academy while working on my diploma work and now your documentary awaken that question again. In my understanding art is everything that goes beyond the visual, audio or text. It's the emotion, the intention, the message, the energy that distinguishes the art from a copy, from eye candy without any substance. What I see here that those images will oversaturate the internet and beyond and the visual tiredness, plus the social consequences will take over and the search for what's "real" will take over. Same as with fast fashion, it dominated for a while and now the problems it created are paving the way for desire of quality. For an artist to watch all this unfolding is very challenging, but it also a call not to fall asleep on achievements, not to despair, but learn, get creative and figure out how to use this as a tool, adapt and keep creating art that touches another human being on a soul level.

Time stamp 5:30... hands down the best explainer I've found yet on how AI's work and the 'training' process. Chat GPT itself didnt do as well of a job explaining this, which tells me it still has a way to go... thank you for this!

This is not what I would have expected from your channel. Here we go! Edit: You have a way of holding my interest in your videos, and that proved true in this longer video as well. If I had it my way, there would have been less background music (like maybe some music only in certain parts), but it was still good nonetheless. Also, I learned a bunch of things I didn't know! Truly valuable information to me, thank you Jonas :)

Wow, this was an excellent video. Props to you, Jonas, really well done. As someone who is about to have to decide what he wants to study in university, I am at a point where I just feel like a lot of, if not most, job opportunities in the future go into "maybe"-directions and the only jobs that might still be at a definite need are the ones that need people that are either employed in the space of trying to find a not so environmentally impactful, reliable, scalable and safe source of energy (which I believe will be and is one of the MOST essential stepping stones to overcome in the development of technology in this way) or those that are knowledgable of these technologies (let's say machine learning as a field of study). Definitely, something a lot of people now and in the future will have to think about when deciding which way to go in life. But yet again, really awesome video!

Holy cow Jonas. Superb job! That was really, really great!

I like the perspective of humans wanting to play human made games because of the connection people have with the creator. After all of the consideration, I'm not really concerned about the change that AI will bring. I don't see how AI could run itself with quality while being unprompted unless you're talking about filler content. I'm not even sure it would be allowed. Also, with AI making things easier, simpler, or helping us consume less information, I think it's all necessary to make us better people. If we're using these things successfully then it means we could have used it all along. Even though cars are a recent invention, it just makes sense to own and use one, and they haven't replaced our legs (heck, we need our legs to operate the thing).

@tomatom9666

Жыл бұрын

​@Arn Saknussen Thomas Sowell once said "There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs" i.e the buddhist concept of samsara. All we're doing is pursuing faster and faster cycles of solution-consequence-solution-consequence. with AI we are just accelerating this cycle. To what end, I don't know.

@mjames3662

Жыл бұрын

@The Hermit uhhh... where did his comment say cars made our lives amazing??? He said they are useful but have not replaced our legs... but since you brought it up I'll go ahead and say it... "Cars absolutely make our lives AMAZING!!!" and anyone that disagrees is being a ridiculous technophobic blowhard and most likely a car using hypocrite. Did you know that Automobiles only account for about half of the worlds petroleum use each year? The other half is basically everything you interact with on a daily basis... Shampoo, Toothpaste, Film, Ink, Plastics, Synthetic Rubber, Upholstery, Clothing, Boats, Airplanes, Trains etc... so the battles waged for control of the petrol industry happen regardless of cars. As for pollution... historically transportation account for about 28% of damage we do to the atmosphere a number that while high I'd argue it's a bit of a necessary evil for modern life to look anything like it does. Additionally we can expect this figure to continue to get smaller over time as technological advancements promise a cleaner healthier modern world! 🌎🌄🦄🚙🌈🌞👨‍🔬.... 🥳👍

Excellent documentary, Jonas! I admire your diligent effort to investigate the pros and cons of this topic while remaining generally neutral in the process. Also, thank you for making yourself vulnerable enough to admit to your fears. I also fear the possibility that I will never know what is true and what is not via the internet. Thank you for the monumental effort you put into making this video! It came out great, and I’ve learned quite a lot from it! I’m not sure how popular my opinion is, but as AI and computer technologies become more prevalent, I find I want less and less contact with them. To me, the convenience comes at the price of keeping me from growing as a person, from thinking, and from experiencing things myself versus just watching others experience them.

@jayedwin98020

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You're worried that "AI" has the potential for stopping your growth as an individual. As an artist, an "AI" designer, or just a person, if you continue to push your own limits, and then once reached, try and go beyond them, hopefully you will never be satisfied with "just watching". Never let yourself become complacent, no matter what your endeavors might be.

Truly an exceptional video. My video from last year feels outdated already! I think you nailed the tone of the debate perfectly & it is brilliant to see how many views this is getting. Getting more people thinking about and talking about AI (art, and AI in general) is an absolute must. Well done!

Holy production quality! This is really, REALLY good!

Great video Jonas. It's exciting times but also scary in some ways. I really think AI as a tool can really help developers and creative with creating, hopefully it will make it easier and better product, lets see :)

Nice video, not a single noticeable error, very well made, and I love the humour, keep it up!

What a truly fantastic, well made informative video. Our future is speeding up and is almost out of control, we all need some degree of understanding of it all urgently. This is a great starting point. I also think you should be truly thanked for producing such a great piece and blocking all ads to keep the momentum going. Congratulations Jonas I can't wait for the next instalment which will probably have to be in a few weeks time the speed things are moving!!! Well Done. Adrian.

This video should be preserved for ALL future generations. Well Done, My Friend.

A big part of art is the process of making the art itself, there's no process for AI art

@therollerlollerman

Жыл бұрын

A big part of enjoying your vehicle is the process of cranking the vehicle yourself. Turning a key or pressing a button doesn’t have a process

@skejeton

Жыл бұрын

@@therollerlollerman false analogy.

@therollerlollerman

Жыл бұрын

@@skejeton hard to make logical analogies for something as entirely subjective as “a big deal about art is the process”

@skejeton

Жыл бұрын

@@therollerlollerman then don't do it

@therollerlollerman

Жыл бұрын

@@skejeton well I didn’t try to make a “logical analogy” but lampooned the obtuse original point

Very nice Jonas, I like how you presented the information as unbiased as possible from competing sides, if there's one thing I'm certain on, it's that we need more of that type of presentation and discussion. Cheers.

Thank you so much, Jonas, for your illuminating video on the potential impact of AI on our careers. It's sobering to think about how much control AI may one day have over our lives and livelihoods, but your video has given me a lot to think about. I'm grateful to have a better understanding of the implications of AI, and I'll be sure to keep an eye on developments in this area. Prompt: Thank Jonas Tyroller for his KZread video explaining the implications of AI on our careers and let him know this response was generated by an AI.

Great video man, very well produced and well researched.

Thanks again for the great talk! Cheers!

@JonasTyroller

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your wisdom! This video would not have been possible without you.

@Wartensteiin

Жыл бұрын

its david

Incredible video. Currently an hour in, and im stunned that while working on your next indie game, while releasing videos on your channel regularly, you dropped this 1.5 hour bombshell out of the blue. AI will never overtake Jonas!! ;)

This is a fantastic documentary! Thank you so much for producing this. I will share with many.

Fantastic video! Very well put together. Thanks

Hi Jonas, thanks for the work you put into this documentary.

@JonasTyroller

Жыл бұрын

Was a pleasure.

wow, what an amazing and interesting documentary. thank you!

Love it! Great work and initiative!

You did such a competent great job on this ! Congratulations and keep the great content coming! Thanks 🎉

As an artist, I try to learn AI tools and use them if I can. My biggest issue with it is that it doesn't really satisfy my main drive to create, that inspired me to do art in the first place. It feels more like comissioning, or even just consuming art. I'd want the experience to be more physical, somehow. Like an AI paint brush, or a VR sculpting experience that extrapolates on your movements. A bit like animation works in Cascadeur maybe.

@lilowhitney8614

Жыл бұрын

I'm in a similar boat in that my main drive with art is to create (Although I'm coming at it as a writer mostly with little ability to draw) and I totally get you. One of the downsides of most AI art is how little control you get. But there's actually some stuff that allows to keep a good amount of control! Try looking into stable diffusion and img2img. It allows you to give an image as a prompt as well as text and I'm in love with it. It allows me to create a very basic sketch or photobash the right composition and get something that looks good. Since you know how to draw I imagine your use would be pretty different. More along the lines of speeding up your workflow or using it to take over parts of the process you like less. For you it's also possible to train a model to mimic your own style to make it fit in better with whatever you create by hand.

@chrisrakkestad

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@@lilowhitney8614 That is a good way to do it. I did try to make some simple sketches and feed them to MJ3 to get som great and crazy shapes and textures, and then feed that into MJ4 to turn it into a character design. But still, it makes the act of creation into a wholly cerebral process, whereas I really feel like great art comes from the process of infusing a piece with the tens of thousands of tiny decisions embedded in each brush stroke. And it's also a very meditative and enjoyable process. With an animation software like cascadeur, it sort of builds upon and enhances what you animate in a very direct way. If something similar could be achived for image making, that would be really cool. So that instead of the AI serving you something based on a prompt, it tries to interpret your actions and enhance them.

@lilowhitney8614

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@@chrisrakkestad Yeah, AI is really best used for automating the parts of art you don't enjoy or don't have the skills to achieve. It's at its best when it enables the artist to do more of what they want to do rather than completely replacing them. Considering some of the capabilities I'm seeing being developed, the stuff you're describing seems very possible. Some of it is probably possible right now, but doesn't have a good interface to make it easy to use. It also doesn't help that most of the people using AI are ones with little artistic skill or familiarity with the creative process because then most of the features are created with that demographic in mind. It's pretty unfortunate most artists hate AI so much, if more of them were involved in the community they could ask for the kind of features that would be useful in an already established workflow. Honestly I feel like the main advantage of AI is that it allows artists to take on much more ambitious projects by themselves or with a small indie team. I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future a single person could make an entire animated movie by themselves without dedicating their entire life to this single project. Stuff that was previously limited to bug studios. I'm really excited to see what kind of stuff people can come up with when not limited like that.

I have to write this in german: Lange hat mich kein Video mehr so auf der Sofakante herum rutschen und "holy shit" rufen lassen. Wenn man bedenkt das du eigentlich Spiele entwickelst und dann Mal nebenbei eine Doku in Spielfilmlänge produzierst, dann bist du einer der krassesten Fi**ker auf KZread. Geiles pacing und mitreißend ausgeführt. Die 1,5 Stunden vergingen wie im Flug. Meine Hochachtung vor deiner Leistung und Applaus für dieses Werk!

Incredible video! Great job, thank you :)

You made the best AI documentary on the Internet. As a creative you presentation was fair, balanced and with a-lot of humor that explained a-lot of sensitive subjects and complex subjects. Great job brother and thanks for all your hard work you put into this video. 👍🏻⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️❤️

one of the best videos on AI out there honestly great

Just shared this, it's too good not to. Thank you to you and all who contributed.

That was an incredible overview, thankyou :)

This is such a cool documentary! It started playing automatically while I was at work and too busy to monitor what was about to play, but once it started, I was hooked. It was very informative, helpful, and had some really good talks on the ethics of AI and stuff. 5 stars!!!

I've watched the whole video, I think you did a amazing job.

I have a real problem with this sweeping use of AI. The way it can be used to distort reality, how it is being used to "replace" human creativity and expression. This is crossing a line. Art, voice acting, music...these things are supposed to come from the human soul, not from a soulless machine. This ties in with the whole "transhumanism" idea that some have become enamored with...a dualism of loathing our humanity yet worshiping our own technology. We are erasing ourselves and even reality. And even beyond these obvious concerns, we don't know what other kinds of consequences there will be...hardly a sign to go plunging ahead. We are in dangerous waters.

@heavenseek

Жыл бұрын

Very well said. We're gonna see a lot of unexpected, negative disruption.

@Paradox1012

Жыл бұрын

Transhumanists would argue that we are giving the machines souls so it equals out or some shit lol. I wonder how that would effect the collective unconscious.

@Vigilence

Жыл бұрын

Pretend it’s women’s makeup, but used on everything else now.

@NeolineTheChaos

Жыл бұрын

We might start to have people who are dependent on AI, who dont know how to do anything

@Jessthewitch

Жыл бұрын

My argument against AI has always been the same. In a age of incresing anxiety and depression due to a lack of meaning. Do we need MORE content to consume mindlessly? Or do we need BETTER crafted content, done with purpose and intention? Is AI the next step of the ever growing human spirit that aspires towards greater things. Or is it the next step of an untreated cancer cell? How social media has taken away meaning by making artists mindless creators who have to please a machine should say a lot about the intentions that drive technological advancement. We are trapped in a delusional ego trip. Nature tells us to learn from our very clear mistakes but we continue to push against it, deluded into thinking that we can patch every single imperfection without ever taking an inch of responsability as individuals for our way of living.

I really like how you presented multiple perspectives on the topic. Awesome job!

This might be the most well produced video on youtube right now! So well done.

Damn we get a 1 hr documentary from jonas!

Speechless watching this. Hats off to you human Jonas

@JonasTyroller

Жыл бұрын

Happy you enjoy it.

amazing video with a lot of works, thank you!

This video is awesome! Thanks a lot for this documentation, I really appreciate the effort.

I think AI art especially in writing isn't worth anything. If I write I want the readers to read my words and not the words from something else. That has nothing to do with creating art, instead you avoid creating art and let something else do it for you. Even using ghostwriters is better in my opinion. At least the ghostwriter is able to give his own human creative input.

Honestly, I hope that with the age of AI, people behind art, code and even making AIs themselves get appreciated more by having people see that "someone put work into this".

@shieldmaidensnusnu

Жыл бұрын

none of it would exist without those people on which it gained it's value, without them it would have no value or not nearly as interesting as it is right now. BUt instead of appreciation I see most of the time how artists, writers, aso except for the coders get bullied, disrespected and even completely dehumanized. As someone who comes from the game industry, dealt with AI aso and watching this whole show for at least 9 months and all the problems my collegues and friends had to face I have only complette utter disdain for the main AI devs and the AI community which is indiscribable. I never thought I would find myself hating humans so much.

@NycroLP

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@@shieldmaidensnusnu Amen. The AI community is truly the most disgusting shit Ive seen.

@crepooscul

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@@shieldmaidensnusnu The most disgusting thing I've seen in relation to this AI garbage is the sheer amount of people harboring juvenile ideas of utopia and baseless optimism. "We'll all get replaced by AI. That means no more jobs and free money for everyone!". Absolute batshit madness.

@mazerumaze

Жыл бұрын

Here's one issue with that. No one who is reasonable is denying that to get actual good results with AI, you need to figure out how to do the prompting well and spend a lot of time adjusting and sifting the prompts. But that does not mean that they deserve the same *type* of respect as artists, or that they should be respected for the same things. They shouldn't. They are very, very different things; with some overlap, to be sure, as with many other tools, but it's like how someone who is good at doing photoshop touch-ups would not be respected for the same things as a painter, but it's not impossible to have elements of photoshopping in digital painting creation. It's a scale. And the quite honestly with the snobbish and condescending attitude almost all of the AI community seems to exude... they have forfeited any right to be respected as a whole and have long now entered a category of only exceptions deserving it in the eyes of many actual creators.

@InjuredMuffin2

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@@mazerumaze I myself use ai as part of my creative process, and i also noticed the snobby attitude a large number of AI users have, i completely agree with you that they don't deserve the same amount of respect as genuine artists, a prompt can be made in 10 to 30 minutes (for a reasonably good prompt that is) a genuine good piece of art can take days if not longer, and on top of that it needs skill and mastery of the medium, which is why i doubt AI will replace artists, people will want the human aspect of art, Ai art to me isnt that impressive now that its so commonplace, i know how its done, if anything AI should really mostly be used for placeholders (like temporary textures or sprites in games) and inspiration (when you know what you want to do but can't figure out the details of it), good luck using AI art in a finished product cause you really won't get what you truly want out of it

One if the best videos I have seen on this topic. I feel more enlightened and hopeful for the future of creativity. I see creativity as inherently human. We will always be a creative species! Human art basically needs to connect with other humans, rather than just look cool.

Thanks for making this video Jonas. Very well done and needed

I feel like most of the people who are gushing about AI are mostly cryptobros

the getty images a.i. watermark is just too funny "you played yourself"

Tons of great information! Learnt so much.

Großartiges Video! ❤

Most of the hateful attacks I see are from Ai users insulting and abusing the trained, hard- working artists they imitate and for some unintuitive reason, wish to destroy. after all, if they really wanted to be artists themselves, they would have worked and studied just as hard.

Well done, everyone has to adapt to this simply because it's here and it is not going to go away. I am far more concerned about what happens next. AI is going to steamroll many many many more industries and it will be our fault for not tackling this FAR sooner, we knew this was going to happen and like always we waited until it started causing chaos BEFORE we addressed it. Great video I hope it leads to more discussion on this subject.

This is incredible. Very eloquent and thoughtful

What an amazing video!! Thank you!!