The Coup de Jarnac: Not So Devious!

The term comes from a famous judicial duel in France in 1547, between Guy Chabot de Saint-Gelais, baron de Jarnac and François de Vivonne, seigneur de La Châtaigneraye. It's often used in a derogatory manner, implying that it's a "dirty trick" or some sort of backstab. As my HEMA instructor Erik Bailey and are demonstrating based on our interpretation of different accounts of that duel, it's not so unusual, nor outrageous.
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  • @ulfhazelcreek8108
    @ulfhazelcreek81084 жыл бұрын

    Really interesting and fascinating with analysis of historical duels. Please do more if you can find sources!

  • @goldenageofdinosaurs7192

    @goldenageofdinosaurs7192

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree. This was a lot of fun!

  • @ProdigyofEpistemology

    @ProdigyofEpistemology

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agree

  • @kelohonka4674

    @kelohonka4674

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah these kind of videos are the best

  • @CommissarLORDBernn
    @CommissarLORDBernn4 жыл бұрын

    "Sire, I beseech you very humbly to grant me the privilege of MORTAL KOMBAT" "TEST THY MIGHT"

  • @ronytheronin7439

    @ronytheronin7439

    4 жыл бұрын

    Commissar LORD Bern *theme song starts to play on the harpsichord *

  • @pathfindersavant3988

    @pathfindersavant3988

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ronytheronin7439 Not a harpsichord, but here kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWuWpaZ7m9Xams4.html

  • @SimoLInk1698

    @SimoLInk1698

    4 жыл бұрын

    "PROUVEZ-VOUS VOTRE PUISSANCE!"

  • @freemannewlin2128
    @freemannewlin21284 жыл бұрын

    "If you find yourself in a fair fight your tactics suck" - John Steinbeck

  • @JohnDoe-kh1mt

    @JohnDoe-kh1mt

    Жыл бұрын

    It's over Anakin, I have the high ground!

  • @notproductiveproductions3504

    @notproductiveproductions3504

    Ай бұрын

    If you win an unfair fight, you won a real fight

  • @sevenproxies4255
    @sevenproxies42554 жыл бұрын

    "I'll give you one last chance to rescind your insult of calling me a common dandy!" "NEVAH!"

  • @eddiespencer1

    @eddiespencer1

    4 жыл бұрын

    He was the least common of dandies, I'm sure.

  • @rickc2102

    @rickc2102

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dammit, Keitel....

  • @TheMegatuz

    @TheMegatuz

    4 жыл бұрын

    Aha! Straight through me!

  • @MacLeodRoy
    @MacLeodRoy4 жыл бұрын

    This was one of my favourite videos from you in a while. Learning more about specific duels in history and breaking down the equipment, tactics, etc was great. Do more of these if possible, great job with the images as well.

  • @firestorm165

    @firestorm165

    4 жыл бұрын

    I second that!

  • @hw_yozoraVODS

    @hw_yozoraVODS

    4 жыл бұрын

    Count me in

  • @bernardoheusi6146

    @bernardoheusi6146

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agree 100%

  • @alexryback8253

    @alexryback8253

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same!!

  • @austemousprime

    @austemousprime

    4 жыл бұрын

    Gonna make a comment, but someone beat me to it, with a heart from Skallagrim no less! So I'm another fan of this, I can enjoy a whole series of this kind of breakdowns, and I also really like that it was easy enough to follow who the characters were.

  • @CWojcieszak
    @CWojcieszak4 жыл бұрын

    The â in "Châtaigneraye" indicates there used to be an s after the a in a former, more archaic version of the word. So yeah Châtaigneraye, Chastaigneraye: same shit. Also your french is very good

  • @stevenrasche3159

    @stevenrasche3159

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thats interesting to note. Thanks for the info!

  • @Par-Crom

    @Par-Crom

    4 жыл бұрын

    True statement. I can confirm.

  • @danielandrews4634

    @danielandrews4634

    4 жыл бұрын

    Damn i commented the same thing before i read this and i thought i commented twice on accident

  • @dewidumortier8552

    @dewidumortier8552

    4 жыл бұрын

    I was actually quite impressed, it's not often that native English speakers have this accuracy when it comes to pronunciation in french , props to you skall.

  • @TheZombieCurryKid

    @TheZombieCurryKid

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dewidumortier8552 I think he comes from somewhere in Europe, I think he just knows English really well.

  • @JoseDLMP
    @JoseDLMP4 жыл бұрын

    "my French is a little rusty"... I would love to speak like that 🤣

  • @hari4374

    @hari4374

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah I almost sound like I'm choking on yogurt 😂

  • @narakagati5872

    @narakagati5872

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@hari4374 so do most Canadian frenchies

  • @falcon8752

    @falcon8752

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm a native French speaker, and Skall's accent is bluffing. It's the best French accent I've heard from an English-speaking KZreadr for sure.

  • @canadious6933

    @canadious6933

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@falcon8752 French is our Second Language in Canada. As a Quebecer, I think his accent was pretty good.

  • @FreyjaTheWarrior

    @FreyjaTheWarrior

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@narakagati5872 Look a joke no one has ever heard before. How original!

  • @v4rr0lot3k6
    @v4rr0lot3k64 жыл бұрын

    They say the most dangerous opponent to a skilled swordsman isn't another skilled swordsman but an amateur since you can't tell what's in their head.

  • @scottmacgregor3444

    @scottmacgregor3444

    4 жыл бұрын

    That is 100% correct. Having gone from newbie to intermediate, I'm more cautious and hesitant with the newer people. You know after a certain level of training and experience someone you attack is going to try and intelligently defend themselves, where as newbies might just lash out in panic, or try and beat you to the punch, resulting in a double.

  • @fahrishamdani7820

    @fahrishamdani7820

    4 жыл бұрын

    Im not skilled but if I spar with new guy in my club, I always use giocco largo (playing in large distance in bolognese style) Sorry for bad english CMIIW

  • @Reikuma-X

    @Reikuma-X

    4 жыл бұрын

    This is true even in fist fighting, I’ve taken mma classes as well as boxing for a few years. Whenever I spar or actually fight with someone with no training, because they flail around with no intent for a specific attack it’s more difficult to fight

  • @Raysnature

    @Raysnature

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Reikuma-X I'm from a TK background and was about to say the exact same thing.

  • @sigismundafvolsung5526

    @sigismundafvolsung5526

    4 жыл бұрын

    The amount of times I've been taken down by a complete newbie is kind of insane. They have a tendency to do unorthodox, perhaps unintentionally tricky moves because they just do whatever they see that may somehow work. With a complete newbie, these actions have a very high risk, high reward style where they can decently often catch experienced opponents off guard, but often leave themselves wide open for retaliation should their move be avoided. The most hard to deal with for me is people who have a moderate or above level of skill and training, while also keeping that unorthodox and experimental mindset of 'whatever works, works'. It's easy to defend against a manoeuvre you've practiced against ten-thousand times in the orthodox of your tradition. Not so much when someone randomly tackles you by grabbing your left ankle while positioned to the right of your body.

  • @Rig0p
    @Rig0p4 жыл бұрын

    You did not mentionned that the audiance looted the feast that Chataigneray had already prepared for is sure victory while he was bleeding to death

  • @ronytheronin7439

    @ronytheronin7439

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rig0p ouch

  • @bernardoheusi6146

    @bernardoheusi6146

    4 жыл бұрын

    All that ommelete du fromage... imagine it....

  • @Wolvenworks

    @Wolvenworks

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bernardoheusi6146 IMO there would be more baguettes

  • @iopklmification

    @iopklmification

    4 жыл бұрын

    Actually baguettes are super recent, like post WWII so no Victory Baguette for Jarnac...

  • @Wolvenworks

    @Wolvenworks

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@iopklmification fine have some more ordinary random pain from some random boulangerie then

  • @talostheking8529
    @talostheking85294 жыл бұрын

    No skall. I can't say I've ever heard of that term.

  • @HartyBiker

    @HartyBiker

    4 жыл бұрын

    I can, but I'd be lying

  • @karamanid

    @karamanid

    4 жыл бұрын

    Using Numidium against the population of Summerset Isles and killing thousands of citizens is a coup de jarnac

  • @MeneltirFalmaro

    @MeneltirFalmaro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, you're not a Breton so that's understandable... wait, you are a Breton though!

  • @ES21007

    @ES21007

    4 жыл бұрын

    I learned it from Eternal Sonata, but I didn't know what it actually met.

  • @Gunnar_Konig
    @Gunnar_Konig4 жыл бұрын

    On one hand I really like this. I wouldn't mind a series about recreations and discussions of duels at all. I'd have liked a bit more history. You covered the setup pretty well, but there was nothing about the aftermath.

  • @zhanhu2221

    @zhanhu2221

    4 жыл бұрын

    While the skilled, sure fighter lay bleeding to death the commoners looted his victory feast.

  • @terhazza

    @terhazza

    4 жыл бұрын

    Prince Henry was very disappointed at the result of the duel, and while poor Châtaigneraie was laying helpless on the ground, bleeding from his leg, Henry at first refused to admit his champions' defeat, which was very awkward for everyone involved. Prince's behaviour was widely seen scandalous, and 'judicial duels' were banned not long after this. Lots of bets were made about the result. Jarnac's fencing coach bet heavily on his student to win, and made good money.

  • @jamesrodrick2407
    @jamesrodrick24074 жыл бұрын

    I don't particularly know why, but that ending shot of Skall and his instructor menacingly advancing towards the camera was one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.

  • @Nerobyrne
    @Nerobyrne4 жыл бұрын

    I am rather curious how a master swordsman would fall for such a basic maneuver. Then again, we all have our bad days. And sometimes, those are our last days.

  • @aurourus6894

    @aurourus6894

    4 жыл бұрын

    Being better doesn't necessarily make you invincible.

  • @Seelenschmiede

    @Seelenschmiede

    4 жыл бұрын

    ...and being overly confident against an opponent you "know" as an untrained will not help you. And the arm thing would be a thing he maybe never experienced. Plus it stopped him from using his preffered method of ramming his opponent into the ground...

  • @mikeangelo2886

    @mikeangelo2886

    4 жыл бұрын

    @LUNAR BLOODDROP or hangover

  • @buzzkrieger3913

    @buzzkrieger3913

    4 жыл бұрын

    At school I had the opportunity to face of against the under21 National Champion (Foil). I was good, County Level contender, but definitely not in his league and I won the match by using 5 straight overextended lunges. Fast, dirty, and not something you'd do if you had skill parity with your opponent, but it worked because it was basic, fast, and not a usual opening move. The archetypal "beginer's luck" behaviour, use something atypical to confuse a more skilled opponent's responses, that and the feeling of "oh f*** I 'm so outclassed" dumping an overwhelming amount of adrenaline in your system.

  • @DuyNguyen-bk1zv

    @DuyNguyen-bk1zv

    4 жыл бұрын

    Over confident is a slow and insidious killer

  • @joeampolo42
    @joeampolo424 жыл бұрын

    That Italian fencing master who coached Jarnac, what do we know of him and his style? Edit: Perhaps the phrase carries the same meaning as "hail Mary pass" does for American football, Divine intervention. In the Middle Ages, a duel served to determine Divine favor. In the Renaissance, the better fighter was supposed to win. When the lesser fighter won anyway, who knows?

  • @Retanaru

    @Retanaru

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'd be willing to believe that people got very salty about him winning, especially because he chose something that hindered the main fighting style of the other guy. So they resorted to trying to turn his victory into an insult. Describing it as luck or cowardice.

  • @MrSamulai

    @MrSamulai

    4 жыл бұрын

    +Retanaru Isn't the whole point of letting the challenged to choose the weapons to show you are willing to give him any advantage they want? Would be weird if someone was criticized for taking it.

  • @gwennblei

    @gwennblei

    4 жыл бұрын

    ​@@Retanaru Actually according to my teacher in French university of history the term was first used to describe a skillful move and was very positive, but overtime and through the prism of more modern values it slowly became negative. One aspect that made it look good in the eyes of the audience was that it wasn't a lethal blow, and people considered he spared the life of de Vivonne. However, de Vivonne later ripped his own bandages out of shame and die, but people still appreciated that Jarnac didn't try to kill his opponent in the duel.

  • @jefferywilliams4533

    @jefferywilliams4533

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@gwennblei thank you for that, I was hoping to more Info on the aftermath.

  • @_Atzin

    @_Atzin

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@gwennblei source? where can I read more about the aftermath.

  • @mrspeigle1
    @mrspeigle14 жыл бұрын

    I think the simplest cut is the most likely, I've landed that strike hundreds of times with dozens of different sword and shield combos. Describing it as a bread-and-butter maneuver is quite apt.

  • @penttikoivuniemi2146

    @penttikoivuniemi2146

    4 жыл бұрын

    Same, but I doubt him having done a super common strike would have resulted in people naming it after him. My guess would be that it's either the falso cut on the inside or him whacking both of his opponent's legs from under him.

  • @mrspeigle1

    @mrspeigle1

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@penttikoivuniemi2146 possibly, but also remember that the classical definition of the cut named after him is a surprise attack or stab in the back none of which appear in the accounts of the duel and none of the dual accounts show a shot which would be dishonorable or deceptive according to the standards of the time. That leads me to consider that the name of the maneuver could be a smear levied against him. Afterall how best to undermine the victor of a dual then to make the Dual Victory appear dishonorable.

  • @terhazza

    @terhazza

    4 жыл бұрын

    I have always thought that Jarnac made some sort of lunge (which Italian masters would later become famous for).

  • @JohnDoe-kh1mt

    @JohnDoe-kh1mt

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't think the worst cut is the most likely, because then it wouldn't be named after him.

  • @marek9191
    @marek91914 жыл бұрын

    As a French: you're French accent is excellent ! (I'm truly impressed x)

  • @poireauetsespnjs5668

    @poireauetsespnjs5668

    4 жыл бұрын

    And Chateigneray is very well pronounced

  • @eddyguizonde401

    @eddyguizonde401

    4 жыл бұрын

    on est d'accord. skall prononce le français comme un autochtone.

  • @JasV13

    @JasV13

    4 жыл бұрын

    I was too but he’s Canadian tho

  • @Seelenschmiede

    @Seelenschmiede

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@JasV13 he is from europe ;) he only moved there

  • @Serpillard

    @Serpillard

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hé bah dis donc, il y a du beau monde ici...

  • @chinchenping
    @chinchenping4 жыл бұрын

    In France "Coup de Jarnac" describes a surprisingly clever, skilled and violent maneuver, often viewed as a "killing blow". It does sometime have a negative connotation like sneaky or coward, but it really depends on the situation and the "tone" used. Also the expression is only used by grandpas and historians today ^^ I'm french BTW

  • @spartanhuntergaming
    @spartanhuntergaming4 жыл бұрын

    There’s no dirty moves in war and battle only tactics also loved that you played the Mortal Kombat sound when you highlighted the word mortal combat. A lot of history from the medieval and ancient eras seems like legend as if a lot of it is embellished by historians mainly the victors

  • @habibohabibo1627

    @habibohabibo1627

    4 жыл бұрын

    What about a stab in the dick?

  • @danacoleman4007

    @danacoleman4007

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@habibohabibo1627 a nurse did that to me once. Very painful!

  • @PrinsPrygel

    @PrinsPrygel

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you are in a fair fight, then you have done something wrong.

  • @wiiretime3704
    @wiiretime37044 жыл бұрын

    I love how guys who out think there enemy are always seen as cowards instead of what they really are is superior the whole goal of combat is defeat your enemy as fast as possible

  • @sigismundafvolsung5526

    @sigismundafvolsung5526

    4 жыл бұрын

    Especially if it's a matter of life and death, do whatever dirty bullshit works. If somebody's trying to kill you, rip their balls off or stab them in the foot, fuck looking like an honourable prince in the process.

  • @wiiretime3704

    @wiiretime3704

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@sigismundafvolsung5526 definitely agree fuck the rules throw sand in there eyes while you punch him in the throat

  • @corentinrigaud1208
    @corentinrigaud12084 жыл бұрын

    The Frenchman I am is amazed by your accent Skall, bravo messire! I would add the the "coup de Jarnac" earned a negative connotation because Jarnac was a Protestant, so the latter hostile Catholic authors and rhetoricians turned the manoeuvre into a symbol of cowardice and duplicity.

  • @giantotter319
    @giantotter3194 жыл бұрын

    Jarnac's cut is pretty popular story in fencing, but this analysis is pretty great. I always thought it was just a standard cut at knee from blocking a vertical cut. These other options are really interestling.

  • @kenspiracy2792
    @kenspiracy27924 жыл бұрын

    There's no such thing as "dirty" combat when your life's on the line...Jamac knew that..Lord knows Guy did with his prison inmate tactics.

  • @PrinsPrygel

    @PrinsPrygel

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you are in a fair fight, then you have done something wrong.

  • @tlotpwist3417
    @tlotpwist34174 жыл бұрын

    Fun fact It sounds like "j'arnaque" which means "i scam"

  • @smashallpots1428
    @smashallpots14284 жыл бұрын

    im gonna miss seeing erik once the moves all done

  • @polyommata
    @polyommata4 жыл бұрын

    This was a really innovative video! Im not sure Ive ever seen anyone else do a video describing their interpretation from a historical narrative like this and I would love to see more of this. It reminds me of matt eastons older videos where he talks about accounts in Kinsleys "swordsmen of the british isles" but adding the interpretation is a whole new level!

  • @Briver64
    @Briver644 жыл бұрын

    I really liked this video. Explaining a historical technique or action, showing art from the time or from manuals depicting the action and the people involved, a demonstration by you and your instructor, and a verbal explanation. Great video, Skall.

  • @TheStray26
    @TheStray264 жыл бұрын

    I honestly love this kind of video! Recreation of how historical duels went down and the precedents they set a super fucking joy to watch.

  • @themischeifguide
    @themischeifguide4 жыл бұрын

    The quality of your videos is getting really great, you kick ass Skall!

  • @Skallagrim

    @Skallagrim

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. :)

  • @MrDecelles
    @MrDecelles4 жыл бұрын

    Why is it a secret attack? It's a part of the body that is hit and seems a logical move !!

  • @Exit_343
    @Exit_3434 жыл бұрын

    "The more you know!!" (Rainbow star over my head)

  • @orakaa
    @orakaa2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for this video. *I'm French and I couldn't find a proper demonstration of the "coup de Jarnac" until I found your video.*

  • @bramhorne7048
    @bramhorne70484 жыл бұрын

    Please make more videos like this it is very interesting and informative. As a fellow martial artist visual demonstration of actual historical duals are much appreciated and sorely needed.

  • @janprokop5483
    @janprokop54834 жыл бұрын

    I love this video! The overall quality is insane. I adore how much effort and passion you put into these videos :)

  • @thelonerider5644
    @thelonerider56444 жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed this. The idea of demonstrating the techniques not just describing them is excellent, please do more.

  • @TwentythreePER
    @TwentythreePER4 жыл бұрын

    "Confess yourself a liar and restore to me my honor and live!" Haha I was so happy to see this in my feed as the duel between Jarnac and Chataigneraye is one of my favorites. I was just reading the story on The Arma's website the other day which is very informational, by the way. I first heard about the duel in a documentary about duels of chivalry. I thought the story was so interesting I looked up more about it and found The Arma's website. I have even named video game characters I've created Jarnac Hau because I was so captivated by the tale. Thanks for the video on this duel as there are not many in English about it.

  • @adwarfsittingonagiantsshoulder
    @adwarfsittingonagiantsshoulder4 жыл бұрын

    Bravo pour l'excellentre prononciation française !!! Très intéressant ! Merci pour la vidéo.

  • @nahuelmat

    @nahuelmat

    4 жыл бұрын

    Baguette

  • @MrSven3000
    @MrSven30004 жыл бұрын

    it is said, that the wound wasnt that bad. that vivonne would have easily survived that wound. but that that he refused to accept any doctors, so much shame he felt over his loss to a suposedly inferior opponent. so he died a few days later.

  • @sigismundafvolsung5526

    @sigismundafvolsung5526

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, there were potentially three or four wounds, and the duel was a duel to the death. I reckon the shame of being left alive with the shame of losing to an inferior opponent with the shame of underestimating the importance of practice was a lethal combination.

  • @Kobylad
    @Kobylad4 жыл бұрын

    Love all of your historical and archeological content :)

  • @mattfick5502
    @mattfick55024 жыл бұрын

    Very cool, and seeing more historical duel breakdowns would be really interesting

  • @Woodclaw
    @Woodclaw4 жыл бұрын

    It's kind of interesting that in Gautier's "Le Capitaine Fracasse" the expression 'Coup de Jarnac' is used to indicate a masterstroke, a secret move that is almost impossible to parry or counter. Later on, the author actually had the main character (the Baron of Sigognac) parry such an attack twice from two different opponents. The logic was that most of the noblemen and swordmen of the time (the reign of Louis XIII) learned mostly these tricks, whereas Sigognac received a much more intensive training in the fundamentals, making his fencing less ornate and more practical.

  • @Jakejackson184
    @Jakejackson184 Жыл бұрын

    I'm French and you have a very good pronunciation. It's really cool to hear you saying « baron de Jarnac ». English speaker are in trouble for the french «r» but you say that perfectly

  • @sevenproxies4255
    @sevenproxies42554 жыл бұрын

    There are no such things as "cowardly moves". When you fight, you fight to win.

  • @sevenproxies4255

    @sevenproxies4255

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TheGoodCrusader I've had this idea for awhile of playing a round of golf, but rather than using clubs to drive the ball across the green, the players would use cannons and would have to expertly measure their powder loads for each "swing" to make the golfball accurate. I think it could become a very epic gentlemans sport. Although the putting will be very challenging.

  • @jorojoro2395

    @jorojoro2395

    4 жыл бұрын

    When it was in that period you would have to be pretty careful with what you do. Cause in those times people were basically high on their honor. It would be much worse to lose your honor than to die. If you've lost it, you might as well be dead. And of course a strike to the groin would be pretty nasty and even the most evil person wouldn't do that. (That's just an example)

  • @aurourus6894

    @aurourus6894

    4 жыл бұрын

    There are. If the majority thought your move was cowardly and you did not deserve to win they'd simply kill you. That's why you follow these unwritten rules, to appease the people who are judging the fight. Rules don't exist in a vacuum, we don't like in one.

  • @sevenproxies4255

    @sevenproxies4255

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jorojoro2395: Even Japanese warlords employed spies and assassins to get things done, and that was a culture that was heavily profiled on it's concept of honour. What you have to understand about any honour system is that they are always created by a ruling caste in order to subjugate the rest of society. Plenty of honour based societies have gotten completely destroyed and taken over and terrorized by people who simply refuse to abide by those sets of "honourable" rules. A good example would be the viking raids on christian monasteries on the british isles. To a christian, the idea of raiding and pillaging a monastery and killing monks would be unthinkable, because it would be a gross violation against christian honour and an affront to God. But the Viking raiders didn't care. Because they did not belong to such an honour system. Which made them infamous among christains and feared not only as violent, but even to the point of demonic among the christian population. Many cultures that ended up getting conquered by the Mongols also decried the Mongols ways of waging war to be "dishonourable". At the end of the day, honour means nothing. What matters is who's dead and who's still standing. And if you kill an armed opponent as a public spectacle, people might think you fought dirty. But they're not going to mess with you the first chance they get.

  • @HexCypherr

    @HexCypherr

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TheGoodCrusader that might be a tad dirty

  • @TheRoland19111
    @TheRoland191114 жыл бұрын

    I Heard that the cut happened inside the leg, and It was lethal because It took one of the biggest artheries of the body. They Said that the italian coach instructed Jarnac to do this because he knew his opponent used to expose his right leg too much

  • @JakeHkd2
    @JakeHkd24 жыл бұрын

    Great video, remember reading an article about it and was struck by how calculating Jarnac and his camp were about the whole thing. Would love more videos where you go over and actually show how actual duels went down.

  • @gwennblei
    @gwennblei4 жыл бұрын

    Hi there Skall ! Very interesting video and great French Pronunciation :) A few years back while studying history in France, our Teacher was discussing this duel with us in class, and he told us the same thing, it became known as a synonymous for backstab in the XIXth century, but it was definitely regarded with admiration at the time of Jarnac, who used the saying at that time to describe a skillful move. It's also note worthy that it was seen very positively as it wasn't supposed to be a lethal blow, which protected the life of de Vivonne. However Vivonne died because he ripped off his own bandages out of anger and shame, but people still liked that Jarnac didn't aim to kill.

  • @dgray7537
    @dgray75374 жыл бұрын

    If a youtuber moves do the people he used to film with still exist?

  • @sigismundafvolsung5526

    @sigismundafvolsung5526

    4 жыл бұрын

    They're removed from the simulation and stored in cryo on the moon

  • @matthewshepherd5390
    @matthewshepherd53904 жыл бұрын

    Love this docu-drama reenactment style favourite video yet.

  • @dangerdan2592
    @dangerdan25924 жыл бұрын

    This was very interesting. You should do more of these analyses of historical duels if possible.

  • @heroepato
    @heroepato4 жыл бұрын

    I'm here from reading GURPS Martial Arts. In the section for "secret techniques" the coup de jarnac is described as follows: "This doesn’t stop rumors about secret techniques from arising when one man defeats another with a strike to an unusual target. An example is the coup de Jarnac. Guy de Chabot de Jarnac killed François de Vivonne de La Châtaigneraie (one of France’s greatest swordsmen) on July 10, 1547, in France’s last legal duel. He used a feint followed by a cut to the hamstring. This is immobilizing but not usually fatal, but La Châtaigneraie - mortified that an inferior defeated him in this way - refused medical aid and bled to death. It wasn’t long before dishonest masters were offering to teach the coup de Jarnac to gullible, wealthy students!"

  • @vladh.4856
    @vladh.48564 жыл бұрын

    Man I love this format. Keep it up like that.

  • @rawcco7
    @rawcco74 жыл бұрын

    This was so interesting ! Would love to see more content like this

  • @DARKMATAR0610
    @DARKMATAR06103 жыл бұрын

    Une bien belle prononciation, compère Skallagrim ! Anyway, that was very interesting. I heard about the story of Jarnac and it's coup, but never saw a demo like what you did. Makes me want to practice it !

  • @Leodinas300
    @Leodinas3004 жыл бұрын

    Good analysis, hope to see more of them :D

  • @kieranlock3070
    @kieranlock30704 жыл бұрын

    Great vid, I do like the hema explained vids, working out footwork is very intriguing

  • @TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight
    @TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight4 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome! I would love more videos to be like this. Analyzing old techniques AND reenacting them in armor with a partner is precisely what we need :D I freaking love it when knowledgeable fighters reenact the original fight techniques, then if possible, demonstrate a modification to the techniques for more practicality. You guys should do this with more movies and Netflix series.

  • @wildly3
    @wildly34 жыл бұрын

    The duel took place at the Château de Saint-Germain, close to Paris, and there is still today a plaque saying "Here took place the famous duel said of the 'coup de Jarnac'." And you are right about Châtaigneraye being written Chastaigneraye, as a common reason for a ^ on a vowel in 'recent' French is that there used to be an S following said vowel. Try it with words like "Forêt", "Hôpital", "Tempête", "Hâte", ...

  • @ProdigyofEpistemology
    @ProdigyofEpistemology4 жыл бұрын

    I loved this video, its very unique and very intriguing and very educating. Please do more if you’re able to. 😄

  • @end-er_1023
    @end-er_10234 жыл бұрын

    Definitely would enjoy this as a series

  • @wecx2375
    @wecx23753 жыл бұрын

    Great video, more of these!

  • @shalir_a
    @shalir_a Жыл бұрын

    Your French accent is right, and for the writing, it has evolved since (Chastaigneraye, Chastaigneraie, Châtaigneraie...). I was passing by after watching a French video on Jarnac's armor. As you mentioned, it's a specific type of armor that Jarnac asked to use to the duel (advised by the Italian master). Since Jarnac was the offended, he could impose this armor (at the last moment) for both of them, and it seemed to have put at disadvantage M. de la Châtaigneraie by reducing it's ability to move. Moreover, François de Vivonne have been previously injured at the right arm during the campaign of Piedmont. You can see it in the video I mentioned, timestamp 19:00 (I couldn't find an image): "Ces ARMES ont une histoire INCROYABLE ! 3ème ep. Avec le @MuseeArmeeInvalides" by Histoire Appliquée, and the piece of armor is kept at the Musée de l'Armée des Invalides. This duel is also detailed in French here: fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Vivonne_et_Jarnac,_le_dernier_duel_judiciaire_en_France#cite_ref-44 A quick translation: La Chasteigneraye walked hastly towards Jarnac, and did the first attack, parried that was parried. Jarnac riposted with a blow between the chainmail and the boot, (I'm not a specialist, I'm not sure if the "gousset de mailles" refers to a specific part of the chainmail). La Chasteigneraye overcomes his pain and gains on Jarnac, with the obvious intention of seizing him, but receives at the already injured left leg a backhand blow that leaves a deep wound in his hock (not sure of the English word for it, behind the knee, between the thigh and the calf). Vivonne fells, and it's the end.

  • @DrakkarCalethiel
    @DrakkarCalethiel4 жыл бұрын

    Ah, great timing, just finished work for today!

  • @chrisrowley135
    @chrisrowley1354 жыл бұрын

    I love the historical content you produce by far my favourite type of content from you brilliant 🦁

  • @artmartinez1704
    @artmartinez17044 жыл бұрын

    That was great! More of these, please! The music was a nice touch too haha

  • @notproductiveproductions3504
    @notproductiveproductions3504Ай бұрын

    No wonder the duel wasn’t approved til a new king assumed the throne. He didn’t have anything to hide like the previous king

  • @LearnFrenchwithaFrenchDude
    @LearnFrenchwithaFrenchDude4 жыл бұрын

    As a french dude, I have to bring a contribution and tell how "Le coup de Jarnac" is describe : (with a translation) "Jarnac blessa La Châtaigneraie d'un coup au jarret, inattendu mais non déloyal" [...] "Coup de Jarnac : coup décisif donné par surprise et, par extension, par traitrise." (Source : dictionnaire Hachette) "Jarnac wounded La Châtaigneraie with a stroke on the hock, unexpected but not disloyal" [...] "Coup de Jarnac: decisive blow given by surprise and, by extension, by treachery." Skall, ta prononciation est quasiment parfaite

  • @RLS9-12
    @RLS9-124 жыл бұрын

    I f**** love these type of videos. Thank you.

  • @mauricioMachuca
    @mauricioMachuca4 жыл бұрын

    This was really interesting, do more of these.

  • @sirfoegs4313
    @sirfoegs43134 жыл бұрын

    Oooohhhh, more like this please. Very fresh and enjoyable.

  • @deadtotheworld00
    @deadtotheworld004 жыл бұрын

    This was super fun! If there's more sources of historical duels, this could be a really fun series

  • @duragdan2000
    @duragdan20004 жыл бұрын

    Now I know more than I ever could have wanted about a certain french duel. I love it.

  • @mushus001
    @mushus0014 жыл бұрын

    Merci pour cette intéressante analyse, et super accent élégant lorsque vous parlez français c'est un régale pour les oreilles. JE vous souhaite une bonne continuation ^^.

  • @scottmacgregor3444
    @scottmacgregor34444 жыл бұрын

    Francois "Train? Nah brah, he's a punk." Fight starts. Francois "What the Schnit?!?"

  • @calamusgladiofortior2814
    @calamusgladiofortior28144 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff. Interesting to see how techniques taught in HEMA were used in real-life situations.

  • @nathrob2437
    @nathrob24374 жыл бұрын

    So once again youtube has turned the notification bell off and I have had to turn it back on again, I don't know what's going on there, great video though skal, keep it up

  • @majormojo9830
    @majormojo98304 жыл бұрын

    Love this video. Learned a new thing today!

  • @argumentfoireux1660
    @argumentfoireux16603 жыл бұрын

    Hello. "Coup de Jarnac" became an idiomatic phrase after the duel meaning a quick and skillfull shot. 200 years later (1771), the Jesuits published a dictionnary saying the phrase "coup de Jarnac" means "unfair shot". Jesuits are catholic and Jarnac and his descendants were protestant, this explains that. It has been a long time since I've heard somebody saying "I keep a coup de Jarnac for him" or "And then, a coup de Jarnac!" I mean the idiom is rarely used nowadays but "rarely" is not "never". The mass-media use sometimes the phrase to describe political shenanigans.

  • @timothyissler3815
    @timothyissler38154 жыл бұрын

    The sword whooshes sound so satisfying.

  • @UtahSustainGardening
    @UtahSustainGardening4 жыл бұрын

    I found this very interesting and a valuable combat study!

  • @aurourus6894
    @aurourus68944 жыл бұрын

    This was one of your best videos ever!

  • @lucbourhis3142
    @lucbourhis31424 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant! Being French, I have spent all my life with that phrasing lingering in the background but I never looked into the fencing of it!

  • @hamstermk4
    @hamstermk43 жыл бұрын

    With the third interpretation I find it more likely that instead of disengaging over the top in the awkward manner shown, the feint was a full cut aimed deliberately low to avoid making contact with the opponent's defenses followed by a rising false edge cut into the leg from the post cut recovery position. This is one of my bread and butter moves and the body mechanics feel right. BTW when I do this I normally aim for my opponents lower torso or sword arm because using this against the leg has a high probability of a crotch shot and I don't want to do that to my sparring partner.

  • @bassemb
    @bassemb4 жыл бұрын

    Huh, never heard of it. But I like it. The article you linked was fascinating!!

  • @rumpelpumpel7687
    @rumpelpumpel76873 жыл бұрын

    I never heard of the coup de Jarnac before. Very interessting, well explained and i especially appreciate the demonstration with your swords master. Though i agree with some other comments - a little bit about the aftermath (if sources mention it) would have been nice too. Lol those faces in the ending scene xD you guys are great

  • @epiqur6574
    @epiqur65743 жыл бұрын

    That moment of "MORTAL COMBAT!!" was hilarious!

  • @TheVgrey
    @TheVgrey4 жыл бұрын

    Nice video skall like the idea behind it

  • @noisetheorie
    @noisetheorie4 жыл бұрын

    As a french i must admit that your accent is really good! The way you say the french R sound that usually cause troubles to English speaker is quite impressive.

  • @evetrescoemes5522
    @evetrescoemes55223 жыл бұрын

    Skall, just wanna say that your French pronounciation is really good, especially for a Canadian :p

  • @shellum
    @shellum4 жыл бұрын

    The ending though. 'None shall pass'

  • @IgabodDobagi
    @IgabodDobagi4 жыл бұрын

    I always love it when you have Erik in your videos. You two seem to have a good chemistry together. It's going to be sad when you move all the way across the country and he is no longer in your videos.

  • @mariojeromechavez6663
    @mariojeromechavez66634 жыл бұрын

    The end prank made me think of the Monty Python humor!

  • @purplelibraryguy8729
    @purplelibraryguy872928 күн бұрын

    This whole story made me think about how what we think of currently as a "good" swordfighter and what would constitute a "good" swordfighter in an era of using them to kill people, fight duels and whatnot might be noticeably different. So like, right now, a good swordfighter is someone who can do matches with various other swordfighters they know and take the point the majority of the time. Generally, this is among people the fighter knows well; each knows the other's moves, and one has more moves, better experience, can put those moves together better, react to more different approaches and so on, for a high level of general skill. If you're in the Renaissance or something, that doesn't go away--you're still doing your sword practice at the salle or whatever, trying to get generally good. But, where it really counts is in fights, which will be against a succession of different people, who you will typically not know or at least not well, and only the first "point" you ever score will matter. In this situation, it occurs to me that what makes a really good fighter is someone who has a couple of really good tricky moves that will usually work against an opponent once, and can seize the initiative and apply them well. Then the fight is over, and if that person might be able to take you once they'd seen your couple of tricky moves a time or two and could bring their superior general skill to bear . . . won't matter because they're already dead, or have lost the duel or whatever. And on the next person you fight, the move will work again, because that person has also never seen you fight, and so on. Of course a high level of general skill and experience is useful to stop someone's tricky moves . . . I'm not saying that stops being important. I'm just saying a couple tricks up your sleeve become MORE important in that situation.

  • @gfhjkfghj4208
    @gfhjkfghj42084 жыл бұрын

    SkallPerfect: "Boom, son!" Or was it "Boom, monsieur!"

  • @AppealtoImmortality
    @AppealtoImmortality4 жыл бұрын

    As a historian this pleases me Great video!

  • @Iroolu
    @Iroolu4 жыл бұрын

    "My french is rusty" Your french is clear and you're pronouncing the R proprely, perfect !

  • @kavajawa

    @kavajawa

    4 жыл бұрын

    French can"t say R properly...

  • @MarcJaxon
    @MarcJaxon4 жыл бұрын

    I'm a huge fan of all your vids. Pretty sure ive "Liked" everyone one over the last year-ish...but, these historical moments and short dissertations on historical moments are my favorite.

  • @gregoryfilin8040
    @gregoryfilin80404 жыл бұрын

    Quick note on the lack of an S as mentioned early in the video, it's an evolution of the French language to make it smoother. Wherever you see a Circonflexe, â, that means that at a certain point, the S was eliminated to make the word flow better. Words such as hôpital, château, and several others are prime examples. And his name also seems to be part of the modern overhaul.

  • @A_Epic
    @A_Epic4 жыл бұрын

    I used to do a move like that when sparring with sticks/lightsabers/whatever I got my hands on when I was a kid. Nice to know that thing has a fancy French name I cannot pronounce XD

  • @matlavi4075
    @matlavi40754 жыл бұрын

    This was cool to learn!

  • @TearMaker
    @TearMaker Жыл бұрын

    As a french, Skallagrim french is pretty good. Especially with the sounds "on" and "r", most english speaker struggle to pronounce.

  • @RoulicisThe
    @RoulicisThe2 жыл бұрын

    Today most people spit on Jarnac and this move, but at the time it was praised as a very honorable one. At the time, in these type of duel, nobles killed each-other. It's even described about chataigneraie : whenever he dueled, he murdered his opponents mercilessly, it was a common thing to die in a duel between nobles. Jarnac, by actively disabling his opponent instead of trying to kill him, was seen as honorable and merciful, particularly so as he was the one most offended by the actions of his opponent. The "Coup de Jarnac" is a move that's made to disable the opponent without killing him, not to "make him suffer a slow death" like how it's described today.