This is one of the most interesting videos I've seen on KZread. A combination of historical, technological, and cultural significance.

@JarrydNielsenLMAO

3 жыл бұрын

I highly recommend you dig into this iconic television show, full of so much fascinating history

@JaredConnell

3 жыл бұрын

I guess you can say this video made you smarter today huh Destin? 😋

@willhatch7721

9 ай бұрын

You should go tour Sam Zeloof's chip fab for us Destin 😏 Great follow up to your stamping videos

@elcarmi

9 ай бұрын

Hey it’s you!

Its a real trip to see folks talking about a 4mb DRAM chip as some kind of pie in the sky aspiration that's five years away.

It's so weird to hear these guys talk about the "good old days" of chip design in a 30-year old TV show. It's even weirder to hear them talk about CMOS as an emerging technology.

@user-lk7cv8vg7r

4 жыл бұрын

Check out this hot shit: it's called a jumper.

This is a great episode. They listen and give him time to talk. He's clearly a desirable guest.

This is one of my favorites episodes! So much of this still applies today, just on smaller scales. It is sad to know a TV show like this today would never make it. :(

@decimat777

9 жыл бұрын

David Maiolo All kinds of shows like this on youtube. Maybe not so informative but definitely similar shows. Linus tech tips being one for example. Not the greatest but its something. Problem of today is technology is getting so complex that normal people can't understand as easily anymore. Your right about a TV show though, TV itself is dying and will be gone (or at least reduced to news or bulletins) in a decade or less.

@davidmaiolo

9 жыл бұрын

decimat777 Thanks. I might check that Linus tech show out. Another neat "show" I have come across is by EEVBLOG on youtube. Very fun and dorky.

@wohlhabendermanager

3 жыл бұрын

@@decimat777 "Your right about a TV show though, TV itself is dying and will be gone (or at least reduced to news or bulletins) in a decade or less." Just like newspapers died when the cinema was invented and just like cinema died when TVs became affordable? To this day, no medium completely replaced another. The internet also didn't replace any of those.

@alangiles4616

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidmaiolo Have you tried "The Amp Hour", David?. Weekly, recorded on Sundays usually comes up on You Tube Monday morning in the UK

@WalnutSpice

Жыл бұрын

@@wohlhabendermanager news paper and the theaters don't cost $400 a month and arent mostly just ads anyhow

As a tech enthusiast i have to say this channel is awsome.

@szymongrabarczyk3561

2 жыл бұрын

@Teddy bear Uszatek Jak juz jestesmy tacy zgodnj to ja skocze po flaszke ;)

@jeshkam

Жыл бұрын

@@szymongrabarczyk3561 Yo, również Polska. 🙂

Probably one of their best videos. Listening to him talk from 1983 is amazing.

Just read now that Gary Kildall left us in 1994. 52 is young still... R.I.P

@tedbell4416

9 ай бұрын

Sure is 😢

Looks like Herb is still going as of June 2021... he'll be 91 in September...

As a European, I have discovered these shows a few years ago, and I find myself re-watching some of them. Truly fascinating. I've written it before but some years ago I've been reading books, printed in the early 1980s, about the 4004, 8008 and 8080. In them, the path to the present future has been well clarified. The top notch in the IT industry understood the scalability of the technology, its full potential, hence what was laying ahead. The books already explained VLSI, 16, 32 and 64 bit personal computing, and that the step to 128 bit would be a very hesitate one; costs and gains going towards negligible. The top brass knew the overall path of the innovations, and that to get there successfully would be a matter of cunning capitalisation, hard pushing R&D, clever commercialisation, standardisation, muscling the industry and pushing ahead as fast as they possibly could to get to the next stage first. Of course, details evolve as they go (smart phones, tablets etc), but they knew what they were at and after. Some didn't understand too well, perhaps had other short-term motives, and/or couldn't get the capital and/or talents, made wrong turns leading them to failure. But yeah, these guys like AMD here at the table..., they understood all potential very well profoundly.

Where has this show been all my life? And why on earth was ever canceled? This show should be required watching for anyone with a computer science degree. I don’t know of anything of this high of quality explaining computers today.

It's crazy watching these older shows where we see the CEO's of huge companies like Seagate and AMD.

it's so nice to see this. that's my grandpa. this is one of the only ways i get to see him talking, still.

Poor Herb. They called him out of retirement to fill in for Kildall and he had to drag all his outdated knowledge out of the closet and blow the dust off of it. (17:46)

@777jones

11 ай бұрын

But he’s really cool though! Lol

we should look as classy and scientific as these guys, when we talk about our full rgb pc builds

@halfsourlizard9319

10 ай бұрын

I mean, to be fair, middle-aged men with combovers do not then or now talk about RGB builds.

What's really fascinating about the discussion with Downing is how you can zoom in on and examine--in slow motion, so to speak--the relationship between the technological developments and the market, the way each drives the other. Stewart asks for Downing's take on the claim that the technology is not only ahead of ability to design for it but (he seems to be implying) of the more general ability to apply the technology (around 11:00), i.e. in the market. But Downing can only answer as an engineer. What's of note is how, as their other episodes from that first season show, the PC industry was on the eve, almost literally, of the GUI-revolution. The market was inventing new needs for the new technology and the new technology would end up creating more and more needs for these more powerful chips and this mutual push-pull would continue throughout the decade. If Kildall had been present, maybe he could have pinpointed this future trend more precisely.

What a treasure are these videos

I used to watch this show when it aired. I confess I didn't catch every episode, but it is a delight to watch them again. I get to see the ones I messed (though it's been so long every episode is new to me) and it is much more educational to me now than it was then!

From thousands to billions of transistors...and I use them for posting this comment

@hulksmash8159

2 жыл бұрын

A shameful waste.

To think each of us is watching this from devices with processors many times more powerful that the ENTIRE industry production of 1983.

@anonUK

4 жыл бұрын

I think if you added together every single "micro" computer manufactured in 1982-83, you might come up with something about as powerful as a single mid-range Android or iPhone from 2017-today. It would take many years to open and run a single app though.

@takeshi7

3 жыл бұрын

My earbud has more processing power than a personal computer from this era.

@MattExzy

3 жыл бұрын

Just from watching this series though, I'm quite impressed that in this era they had the concepts of things like SIMD and parallelism which laid the foundations for today's stuff.

@jazeenharal6013

3 жыл бұрын

THAT is wild to think about. Absolutely mind-blowing

@Nunavuter1

2 жыл бұрын

On the storage side, every hard disk drive manufactured between the invention of the hard disk in 1957 and 1980 added up to about one TB.

30 years later 32 core 64 thread consumer chips these are wonderful times 19.2 billion transistors

@tadeuferreira5705

4 жыл бұрын

64 cores in 2020

@niktak1114

4 жыл бұрын

@@tadeuferreira5705 128 cores in 2021

@FabianoMaiaFranco

3 жыл бұрын

Which would not be possible without gentlemen like those on the video above. The history is a "continuous evolution"...

@FabianoMaiaFranco

3 жыл бұрын

@ For sure!

@pc_screen5478

Жыл бұрын

The m1 ultra soc has 114 billion transistors

Its like Phil is speaking like he can see 20+ years into the future, fucking crazy!

Thank you for posting these. I recall watching this show back in the day. Fascinating watching it today, after all that has happened. And to see these pioneers working it through in the early days.

amazing how it's been over 30 years since this production and we have transistor counts now in the billions as common place cheap consumer products.

@davidt8087

10 ай бұрын

and now nvidia gpu has over 78 Billion. funny in this show he was saying 100,000 transistors coming (in their soon future which was a few years away from air date) was consider SUPER. lmao. if you told him how about 78 billion, theyd all probably say, IMPOSSIBLE, no way, why would you need that.. well ill tell you why, as transistor count increased, programmers got so lazy, no software is run efficiently, they just write crap code and let the powerful chips deal with it. if every os and software was 90-100% fully efficient, we would have computers run 10-100 times faster than they do today.

@dijoxx

6 ай бұрын

​@@davidt8087It's not always due to laziness. You also have tradeoffs for going to market faster, making the code more maintainable, making it easier for many people to work together, etc

I remember people commenting during the 386 and 486 era how hardware progress was outpacing software as wait times for OSes to properly use the new chips increased. And again with multicore as devs took their time getting comfy with multithreading.

I felt very intelligent when I understood how microchips were made. It is an honor know people like these.

FOUR MEGABYTES ON A CHIP?! What madness is this!

@0raffie0

4 жыл бұрын

Megabits. So 512kb, which is a crazy amount in 1983, to have all that on one chip. The Commodore 64 came out in 1982 and it's 64kb of memory was spread over 8 8kb chips.

This may have been their best episode.

This is like interviewing one of Gutenberg's employees. "Well, we think that page stamping technology is really going to take off and continue to develop over the next decade..."

@mikakorhonen5715

3 жыл бұрын

"As character lines continue advance they become too hard to handle hand written."

I love this content and have watched quite a few of these episodes. It seems, anecdotally, that executives reluctant to change represent companies that no longer exist. I'm writing this comment on a modern computer using an AMD CPU and GPU, so they clearly did something right.

This episode is so fascinating I have to leave my comment here. Hail to me from the future!

I'm buying 386 next week! Excited!!!

Here are some numbers for perspective: 1983 - Intel 8088 had 29,000 total transistors(NMOS or CMOS), 3,000 nanometers. 2017: Intel Xeon Broadwell-E5 22 core has 7,200,000,000 transistors (3D trigate), 14 nanometers. This amounts to a 214X increase in transistor densities.

@PhoenixNL72-DEGA-

4 жыл бұрын

@@DJKinney Due to the llack of any real competitors for the last decade. Now with AMD back in the game they have no choice but to start innovating again.

@mikakorhonen5715

3 жыл бұрын

@@DJKinney Our hopes were answered. :)

@davidt8087

10 ай бұрын

nvidia 4090, 78 BILLION transistors lmao

@davidt8087

10 ай бұрын

and now nvidia gpu has over 78 Billion. funny in this show he was saying 100,000 transistors coming (in their soon future which was a few years away from air date) was consider SUPER. lmao. if you told him how about 78 billion, theyd all probably say, IMPOSSIBLE, no way, why would you need that.. well ill tell you why, as transistor count increased, programmers got so lazy, no software is run efficiently, they just write crap code and let the powerful chips deal with it. if every os and software was 90-100% fully efficient, we would have computers run 10-100 times faster than they do today.

This is the most technical episode of CC I have ever seen.

We are so many iterations ahead of this, literally every new nanometer process that we were into now has a new refined process for how we get there. They couldn't even imagine that at the time

I can't wait for the K6-2 400 to come out

And the micro-technology lived up to it's "promise". Now very young children can use IT equipment in all forms without any training.

What a decade to grow up. I kind of missed the tech but was all over the music.

I was 2 at the time this was filmed, seeing how technology has progressed though the 80's, 90's, 00's to now, it's interesting looking back and seeing what people in the tech industry thought about the then current technology and where they thought were things going in the future

26 billion transistors per cpu as of 2023 and still growing

That AMD guy dodged that question that was really about x86, instruction sets, form factor, and other kinds of 'standards' by instead answering the example about network standards.

I’ve come from the future to say, 40 years in the future, we’ve moved from 4mb memory chips to NAND flash chips at 256gb and beyond. Herb would be amazed, since it’s a whole lot more than 100k switches. Lol

@oldtwinsna8347

2 ай бұрын

He's still alive and interacting with computing so he's seen it from the get-go of mainframe days to where we are now.

1983: 1 micrometer lithography. 2021: 7 nanometer lithography.. Amazing achievement in almost 40 years.

@tookitogo

Жыл бұрын

Actually we were already at 5nm in 2020! And now in 2022, we got 4nm. (And I mean in mass production.)

@burntoutelectronics

10 ай бұрын

@@tookitogo Not in every section of CPU's however, certain areas, Cache being the main example here, have struggled to shrink at the same rate as other sections of a CPU's makeup.

Four megabit DRAM memory was achieved by three companies just three years after this program aired. Back in the 1980s, even optimistic projections turned out to be less than what would be achieved.

@oldtwinsna8347

2 жыл бұрын

Would've been great if the question of what would be seen in 5 years could've been added to 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, and so on. I recall one episode a little later predicting when the 100MHz processor would come out and they were dead wrong saying something like 1999.

This guy is a genius.

Wonder what happened to J. Philip Downing. Not much about him any where.

@ph2869

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he was sharp

@ttrivett2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@ph2869 Zilog Inc., Campbell, Calif., which designs and manufactures integrated circuts, named J. Philip Downing senior vice president for technology 1992

@oldtwinsna8347

Жыл бұрын

Did some searching and his last activities were in a computer history museum seminar in 2009. That was quite awhile ago in itself by now so not sure what has transpired since. No reports of an obituary so I am guessing he is still alive. It would be great if someone could interview him to capture his historical knowledge of events. Edit: Apparently he earned his BS in Electrical Engineering in 1965. So if he was a typical age of 22 at that time, that would place his birthdate around 1943; about 79/80 years old which really isn't that old.

This tech is going to change everything.

"Well, have we exhausted the technology?" 😂

My mind just boggles how they knew to put this chip here a transistor here and a resistor over there and it will do this.

Thousands of integrated transistors? HOLY MOLY

@melbar

9 ай бұрын

Even hundreds of thousands, unbelievable!

With them talking about "sub-micron" chips, it's important to remember that it is just another step on the prefix ladder. So one micron is 1000 nanometers; 40 years on we're approaching 1 nanometer.

now no one talks about japanese as a peer competitor in chip industry.

Down to 10 - 14 nm now - Truly amazing

@Phenom98

5 жыл бұрын

And I'm from the future, I live in 2019 lol. The iPhone Xs has a 7nm processor! We're approaching the limit of this technology. Can you imagine living in a world without yearly hardware improvements? (Assuming they don't find a revolutionary way of making computers)

@svirrsvarr

5 жыл бұрын

@EnclaveSoldier :D many people have made the mistake by saying that over the years. Don’t be that guy!

@Phenom98

5 жыл бұрын

@@svirrsvarr Many people have forgot that physics laws and quantum mechanics exist! Don't be that guy! :D

@gregorymalchuk272

5 жыл бұрын

@@svirrsvarr Transistor gates are now a mere 100 atoms wide. You can only get so small before quantum tunneling of electrons becomes significant to where classical electric theory doesn't apply.

I wonder if nanotechnology today is at roughly the same level as macrocomputing was in the 80's. Imagine a microscopic nanoprocessor with a scaled down 5.5" 256KB disk lol. You could play a microscopic game of King's Quest!

This man J. Philip Downing clearly knew what he was talking about, an educated foreseer and one of a few pioneers whose work shaped human life as we know it today and for many decades to come; yet, you google the man and you cannot find a single Wikipedia entry, no biography, to the internet, he is no one, the same internet which was formed on the work of people like himself. If you google the name of any serial killer, any rapest, drug lord, porn star and many others, criminals or not, people who contributed pure evil or nothing at all, all are known to google, to the internet. We humans are pathetic.

My first PC was an AMD 486 DX2 , 8 mb ram, trident gpu and a stacked 250mb hd. Upgraded it in 1995 with an AWE 32 and a Toshiba 4x speed cd rom. 3 years later it was out dated. The Pentium came, the rest is history. This pc I have now is number 9 since 94. A PC last on average between 3-5 years. Then an upgrade is needed. Although half of the pcs were upgraded in some form or another. Better GPUs or processors. Its been a ride, and now PC graphics are very real. I think in 10 years we wont see the difference between data and real. We have reached the treshold. Next is VR machines, to be in the game. And A.I

As an electrical engineering student in the early 90's Gallium-Arsenide was always the semiconductor used in any class where the material mattered. Silicon was never used in any examples. My trademark for Gallium-Arsenide Valley never panned out.

What a sweet memory! In the same year I wrote my thesis using wordstar, chi writer, and lotus 123 in my IBM PC compatible 80286 with 20mb hard drive and my cga screen.

@melbar

9 ай бұрын

In 1983 there weren't any 80286 PC compatibles yet. The IBM PC XT with an 8088 came out, and then later the first Compaq PC compatible.

At 13:30 The 2901C. In 1977 AMD used the 2900 bit slice family to build an Intel 8080 emulator. Signetics did the same with it's 3000 series bit slice family. Signetics made it's design available as a kit and based it on the Intel SBC 80 bus. The CPU board had a 6-3/4" x 12" form factor. I built a few of these kits and made an adaptor to interface with the S100 bus. Running on CP/M I ran several performance tests which showed the emulator as equivalent to an 8Mhz 8080. That was great in 1977 as the Intel 8080 was clocked at 2 Mhz (4 times the speed). However my kit build was in 1982, at which time I was already running Z80 systems at 8 Mhz.

Now that's amazing people at that point were really starting to think how far is it gonna go

The various microchip manufacturers (e.g. Advanced Micro Devices, Cyrex, Intel, MOS Technologies & others) each develop newer and newer processor chips every year, however the CPU chips are the central component of any computer system.

Back in the days! Love it! 👍🏻😁

1 millicent per bit in 1983 = 8 millicents per byte in 1983 = $2,560,000 per 32GB in 1983 = $7,884,235 per 32GB in 2014 (accounting for inflation) (£6,240,984, €7,295,677) Actual price in 2014: £60 (€70, $75) lol

Back in the early 80’s they used a 10.000nm process for processors,in the 90’s that was 800nm, in the early 2000’s that was 150nm, anno 2018 we are now at 7nm, in 2023 that will be 3nm and in 2030 it will be just 1nm. Just mind blowing how they could fit sooo much transistors on such small chip.

@helperfunction4981

5 жыл бұрын

we're not going past 5nm if we don't solve the quantum tunneling problem

@johneygd

5 жыл бұрын

Zod yes they will get past 5nm GARATEED, that’s because scientists have already making a 1nm transistor possible by using carbon rather then silicon, this solves that tunneling effect problem, i believe that in the late 2020’s they will gonna use 1nm, but 5 nm will be used by 2020 followed by 3nm in 2023.

@LetoxxIant

Жыл бұрын

@@johneygd we are in 2023 and your information was spot on!

@davidt8087

10 ай бұрын

@@LetoxxIant WRONG. carbon will be more expensive, and too difficult to make chips with. ffs learn wht your talking about. carbon nanotubes are no joke. go look up how expensive and time consuming it is to make a gram of nanotubes. carbon nanotubes have been around a long time and its still just as lengthy and difficult to make it today as it was decades ago

Ah, the 2901. If a 16bit home micro had been designed around this time using four of those chips, it could have owned the world. Not only would it have been blazing fast, it would also have been able to precisely emulate just about any of the then popular architectures, making it compatible to everything.

@anonUK

4 жыл бұрын

Who could have afforded to buy one? John Paul Getty? Bill Gates could have taken a mortgage out on one I suppose.

@Frisenette

4 жыл бұрын

anonUK they weren’t *that* expensive. You needed at least four of them to get some advantage over an eight bit. You needed some control logic because the AMDs where essentially the ALU. And you needed some fast RAM. A fast small piece of SRAM would have sufficed as a software managed scratchpad. So yes it would have been a bit more expensive but not ridiculously much so. You could leave out a lot of other specialized hardware, because it could be emulated by the fast bit slice processor for the instances where it was needed. Classic examples are disc controllers, advanced sound and decompression. Many arcade boards had a “mathbox”. Essentially a geometry transform unit.

@oldtwinsna8347

Жыл бұрын

I thought that's exactly what Steve Jobs wanted to do when he looked at the Xerox Star, which used the 2900 series. He balked when he realized there was no chance to make the system remotely affordable and was full of mass production manufacturing issues. He settled for a standardized microprocessor and replicated the same environment instead.

@Frisenette

Жыл бұрын

@@oldtwinsna8347 and made the only slightly less insanely expensively priced Lisa. Also the famously underpowered Lisa. Star was ridiculously over-designed in many, many other ways. The bitslice architecture was not the clinching factor. An Alto redesigned and cost reduced to production with 1980s VLSI processes would have been the sane choice. We would have been in a much different and quite possible much better world had that happened. Remember that Alto was actually sold and used outside PARC in limited quantities. CMOS (or something like it) would probably have won out eventually. But in the early 80s when things got locked in, a bit more power to allow for rudimentary OoP and microprogramming would have allowed a far better starting point. A starting point is not something you can catch up to later.

Gary must have been sleeping one off that day.

AyyyyyyyyyyMD

one day youll have 256k bits of memory, which is a lot.

7:44 sometimes a computer or a terminal simply served as an unused prop during these early episodes, like the Apple II seen here

Wow. Those 256kb chips (as a 256kB package) at a milicent per bit would have been $2000 in 1983 dollars (not including a parity bit)!

Imagine dumping a modern smart phone on their desk

@dom3827

6 жыл бұрын

imagine dropping a 5 gHz 8700K system on their desk

@quadgon

5 жыл бұрын

Imagine someone 30 years into our future dumping a unit no larger than an iPhone on our desk, with a 4096 core 60 TeraHertz quantum CPU, 512 Petabytes of memory and a 3D crystal storage with a 800 Exabytes capacity...

@Phenom98

5 жыл бұрын

@@quadgon relax. It's not happening. We are approaching the limit of computing. Unless we find a totally new, revolutionary way of making computers, we are staying at 7 or 5 nm

@quadgon

5 жыл бұрын

@@Phenom98 quantum computing and crystal storage would prolly fit that description, no?

@Phenom98

5 жыл бұрын

@@quadgon I still doubt quantum computing is going to be mainstream, since they require extremely low temperatures to operate. As for crystal computing, well... I've never heard of it. I should research it more :) I think the 2020s are gonna be the decade of AI development and deep learning, and how we input data to the machines in quicker and intuitive ways, more than raw power or transistor count increases.

No downvotes ? Jeez, I don't think I've ever seen a video which does not have any downvotes

@melbar

9 ай бұрын

Still no downvotes in 2023

Very interesting.

"...sometimes known as AMD" - that's so sweet 😅

When TV could be informative.

Watching this on an M2 iPad Pro.

Wow! 4megabit memory chips!!

@LeesReviews69

11 ай бұрын

The latest Apple M processed has 192Gb ram

I guess they were able to handle the heat generation problem for many years after this, because CPU heatsinks didn't really become a thing until the (mid-)1990s, at least on desktop PCs... A typical 386 or 486 CPU didn't necessarily require any heatsinks! I guess the Pentium generation CPUs were the first ones to really require it.

Ah the 80s, amazing times 😢 I was born in the wrong generation 🤧

Woah! I sure wish I had a Microchip! :p

Hey that's Viper from Top Gun.

I think one day we will have hard drives with no moving parts that's the size of a dime that can hold hundreds of gigabytes. Let's see where the future takes us

@deepfakestudio7776

2 жыл бұрын

Ugh we have that already . Its called micro SD and I have one smaller than a thumbnail and it has 128 GB on it

@pc_screen5478

Жыл бұрын

1tb microSDs exist

It's the kid's desk for you!

0:47 Back when "visual programming" meant a cell-addressable video monitor instead of punch cards or a Teletype.

"We're able to put thousands of transistors on a single chip"....in 2021 we have nearly 12 billion transistors on the CPU in an iPhone 12. Take that, 1983!

This guy looks like Tom Skerrit

Anyone know why they are talking about the chip in terms of bits ("four megabit") rather than hertz as we do today?

@CompatibilityMadness

4 жыл бұрын

Because the most important thing from their point of view is how many bits of information a chip operates on at the same time (old CPUs "IPC" can be directly link to it's width, or bits size it can load/store per cycle). Today CPUs use VERY many tricks under the hood to make process more efficient, since making it wider (than 64-bit), is unnecessary (and can make old software run too slow on such CPUs). We also get wider execution of code via newer and newer instruction sets (SSE, AVX). In case of 4Mbit specifically, I think they asked about ammount of memory (cache, not RAM) a CPU has at it's disposal. Sidenote : A pretty well known chip with 4Mbit memory is Pentium Pro (with 512kB od L2), and a 4MB memory chip could be Core 2 Duo from 2006 (two cores with shared memory).

A hundred thousands transistors on one chip. Golly! Hand-drawn chip designs. Wow! Those were the days. Today, you need a computer to design a CPU chip. All the fun has gone out of it.

For context, the theoretical 4 megabit chip they are talking about is what would be termed half a megabyte today. Or 1/2000th of a Gb. Roughly.

@LeesReviews69

11 ай бұрын

Apples latest M2 processor had 192Gb ram

So much beige in this episode.

Milli-cent 👍🏻

good

I hope we get up to 4 MB.

1:28 holy shit 256k chips!!

I wonder if chips made on larger feature size (or older chips) is reliable/lasts longer than today's extremely small and dense chips. A machine made in 1994 that I worked on has a computer board (?) that has no heatsink and covered in dust, but it has never been replaced, it still works. Meanwhile the CPU in my PC just died with no apparent problem, the PC is well-maintained. 🤔

@oldtwinsna8347

Жыл бұрын

I think it depends on the fab. MOS technology (Commodore) posthumously known to be awfully poor production chips that fail a lot. I believe the Japanese made chips were super high quality though.

Was that Phil or Ted Turner?

Running it at 1.25x speed is so much nicer :P

to think this was aired 4 decades ago

22:57 Mario theme in 1983?

@ 4:43 LOL! Have we exhausted the technology? We've been asking this question since forever it seems. Believe it or not even if we still had the same technology as back then the evolution of technology would still occur in fact probably more so since we would actually have to think when designing a product (more of a challege vs today's throw it together). I respect people's work but just as an example (maxwell and kepler) there are so many optimizations that we could do with current tech, instead we hope to solve the problem with "new" tech instead of optimizing hardware and software. SOC's would be alot more prevalent early on for computers in general as well as HBM. Just now getting this technology because the thought is on profit and not innovation. Good job AMD for bringing the tech to the table (bad for making a "decent" gpu).

@gatsbylight4766

8 жыл бұрын

+decimat777 I'm guessing you're not an engineer. To get to the level of tech we have today has required ungodly innovation, science, and cognition.... Not just "hey, let's just do it a different way. That'll be so much easier." Innovation is a form of optimization - especially after the Nth level; Merely semantics

@decimat777

8 жыл бұрын

+Gatsby Light Upcoming engineer not a pro i will give you that, I've designed two ASICs with SMT by myself but that's all I've done so far . I think you missed the point of my comment. I was referring to the optimizations that could be made with a current set of tech before discarding it to move to another gen hoping that speed and the natural efficiency effects of shrinking a chip will solve the problem. There are many things that could be done to optimize hardware before it could be considered outdated. Intel's tick tock strategy is a small example as I think they could do more. Especially so with software. I'm working on my compsci degree atm and seeing other people's software twice the size as mine and buggy as hell is disheartening (yes i know we're learning but I've seen examples of code and heard stories that its similar in the workforce). So all i was saying was that it was funny that they said this back then and also that we could do so much more with a generation of tech than we care to try.

@leonardoantonio8756

8 жыл бұрын

+decimat777 Actually companies and science departments of many institutes are constantly researching fot new tech. New tech is the only way to achieve new techniques and improvements in resourses capabilities and efficiency, also research is the only way to discover new things or more virtudes and better use of existing things. Research is the only way to obtain more knowlege. Also I disagree about Intel, I think they doing a great job creating processor that use a lot less electricity, and more reliable than years before, they get less hot, and honestly are very impressive compared to older pcs I had and used (Since 1989). I think AMD makes excelent products too, but Intel is ahead of them all the time.

@decimat777

8 жыл бұрын

+xplus93 a perfect example of what I was referring to this whole time has recently occurred. AMD has been on a roll releasing drivers for their somewhat dated technology and it has proved to be quite successful. Take the r9 290 as more direct example, at first it was sort of the mid-high range competitor and now it can even compete with a gtx980 in some cases, this card was released in 2013 *take a moment to process for the sake of logic. on the flip side another example is nvidias Maxwell architecture vs Kepler same tech just redesigned and reorganized to be more efficient. AMD had software issues but a great architecture, nvidia had the software down but only decent efficiency, whereas now it's stellar after the redesign. Jumping to the next tech before solving the current issues doesn't solve the problem guys, it creates more. it's ok though, technology is reaching (or currently experiencing, which would explain these two instances above) a plateau, which will be a good humbling experience for us in general, before we can exponentially rise again.

@danielOconahap

8 жыл бұрын

+decimat777 we have been optimizing guns in a hundred years. so yeah, agreed