I'm currently reading one of the Yuuzhan Vong war books (Star By Star), and one day bumped into a waiter at a St. Armands restaurant who noticed my book. He not only told me about a Star Wars museum run by the Yoda puppet creator in St. Martin, but also about how disappointed he was by how Disney turned down all these books, games, and "Legends" material just to do a bad remake of the original trilogy and pass it off as "sequels." I agreed with him, and I felt that the Yuuzhan Vong war could've made great movie magic instead of whatever we got in the end.

@vanyac6448

Жыл бұрын

I agree with the sentiment, but I also think that a movie (or even a trilogy) just won't offer the real estate needed to cover the content in 19 books. If they tried to make the NJO into a movie, we'd end up with something like the movie adaptation of Ender's Game, which glossed over way too much of the original book's themes and thus ended up with a fun but also somewhat disappointing shell of the original. Better make it into a TV series, and adapt something like the Thrawn Trilogy, the X-wing series, or the Hand of Thrawn Duology into movies.

@richardthomas9497

Жыл бұрын

The Dark Nest Trilogy was the first Star Wars novels I read, then I went back to read NJO. It was a dark but fresh and unique take to Star Wars, where the stakes were high and the danger felt real. Even though there was some backlash to the death of fan-favourite characters. It could've been fleshed out more with comics and other media, Invasion was good but came out too late. I know some have issue with Troy Denning's direction, but he brought back Young Jedi characters back to the forefront; Lowbacca, Tenel Ka, Zekk and Raynar Thul.

@franksolis3036

Жыл бұрын

What they could have done is make it into a 19 seasons show. And just go all out with it. But nope we ended up with Disney fan made films and saying “ we needed a bring back the magic of Star Wars and have a strong female character. “ - Disney

@kabob0077

Жыл бұрын

Hell, Rise of Skywalker is just a bad Dark Empire knockoff, Disney did two bad OT remakes as sequels and then did a knockoff of Dark Empire of all stories. If we got the fans instead of Disney who knows what we could have got for shows, movies, and games. Like imagine multiple trilogies each one focusing on a deferent part of the old EU, like one dedicated to Thrawn, a one-shot like Rogue One set in Shadows of the Empire, a mini-series of Kyle Katarn's story from Dark Forces one and two, a game based in the Yuuzhan Vong War in a similar style to Halo 3 ODST (I'm talking more about being from the perspective of a normal [for a relative definition given that The Rookie in that game is an ODST] person going against such a devastating enemy), or maybe a tv show set during the Old Republic era.

@ericliggett4289

Жыл бұрын

I went to St Martin and have been to that museum and met yodas creator! It’s such a cool museum and he had tons of stories and is really friendly! He is living the life!

I know the NJO wasn’t loved by everyone but I liked it because every time the Jedi, the New Republic, the Imperial Remnant and their allies won a battle, it felt earned and it was a step closer towards saving the Galaxy.

@micejoint132

Жыл бұрын

nowadays NJO is loved by most EU fans, mostly because what came afterwards was garbage (the denningverse)

@vikingsword3485

Жыл бұрын

They really needed some foreshadowing. It just feels random otherwise

@user-yq9im9dk9z

Жыл бұрын

@@vikingsword3485 Crimson Empire comics have Vong foreshadowing

@vikingsword3485

Жыл бұрын

@@user-yq9im9dk9z Yes but it is hard to make a movie, tv show, or even another book based on something that most people haven't read

@user-yq9im9dk9z

Жыл бұрын

@@vikingsword3485 uhh, the Vong invasion is a book series, of course it's foreshadowed in other books. I thought we were talking about EU.

The fact that the fking Yuuzhan Vong were gonna be in the Clone Wars makes me more upset that Disney didn’t let Dave and George finish the show freely, in the way they wanted. But I can only say so much about that so I won’t tell anymore. For now, I’ll express my wish that Geetsly does more post-Battle of Endor-themed videos. I feel like there’s a lot of content he’s left untouched for his discussion videos.

@delta2372

Жыл бұрын

Im actually really pissed that they were gonna put them in, the clone wars is already played favorite with in terms of getting good and detailed continuity, stealing one of the best aspects of the NJO/NR era is bullshit and would undermine one of the most significant parts of that era. Plus the whole reason why the vong worked in that era is because the galaxy was extremely weak and tired of war, the new republic and imperial remnant were finally at peace and the two were struggling to rebuild the galaxy from the devastation of the galactic civil war and it took those two plus other faction's to even stand a chance against the vong. If they invaded during any other period either old republic, clone wars or imperial era, they wouldn't win because of how powerful the faction's during those periods were, of the vong invaded during the clone wars as an example palpatine would just unite the CIS and republic against the vong and take control of the galaxy that way. If it was old republic, the old republic and sith empire would mop the floor with them.

@EternalEmperorofZakuul

Жыл бұрын

I hate TCW

@teleportedbreadfor3days

Жыл бұрын

@@EternalEmperorofZakuul I’m curious, why?

@EternalEmperorofZakuul

Жыл бұрын

@@teleportedbreadfor3days likely due to the continuity issues with the EU

@teleportedbreadfor3days

Жыл бұрын

@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Things had a system before Disney; Legends was canon until official sources like George overwrote something. Actually, Geetsly went over the original system in a previous video

Imagine the Vong invasion in live-action! Planets and moons crashing into each other, Luke blazing paths through Vong soldiers, Jacen's gradual corruption by the Dark Side, Abeloth invading the minds of the Padawans and Younglings at Shelter, Zonama Sekot, the possibilities are endless, it would be so awesome that anything that comes before would pale in comparison

@emzonik8851

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, the Vong invasion wasn't an actual apocalypse, you had some planets being ravaged or terraformed, but aside from Serpindall (where Chewie died) and Coruscant's two moons fracturing and creating a ring it wasn't really "planets and moons crashing into each other" kind of thing. Argubly more celestial bodies were disintegrated during the Galactic civil war due to the use of numerous superweapons than during the Vong war. That being said, what actually happened was no less terryfying.

The Vong and Clone Wars would be insane!

Boy canon and legends really seem to hate the New Republic. Both of them ended up getting bodied to a very short reign. One by an imperial remnant the other to an alien species from another galaxy entirely. I wonder what the Grysk will be like.

@emzonik8851

Жыл бұрын

Well in Legends the New Republic wasn't truly destroyed, not like in the new canon. The Vong invasion pushed them towards a large reorganisation which resulted in NR's transformation into the Galactic Federal Republic or as usually called, the Galactic Federation Of Free Alliences. That was a direct successor state that existed for many decades afterwards.

@karlrovey

Жыл бұрын

They seem like a replacement for the Vagaari species, who the Chiss fought in Legends.

@vonfaustien3957

Жыл бұрын

@@emzonik8851 which is a bad thing given how inept it was. Let's look at there chancellors Darth credas Dallas an imperial war criminal who went of a glassing spree of republic worlds Abaloth a lovecraftian eldritch horror that was so bad it moved the celestials to build a prison of black holes to trap her and forced Luke, his jedi and a sith master to team up in order to stop her. She's right there with Vitiate and darth Nilus. I mean you want an argument for why the people of the Star wars galaxy shouldnt be allowed to vote those 3 and Palpatine are a pretty good one.

@Drave_Jr.

Жыл бұрын

@@vonfaustien3957 Darth Caedus did a coup, though the Second Galactic Civil War still proves your point. Daala was promoted by Luke to help ease tensions from the Civil War, and Abeloth is a Force Diety who took over, not getting voted in. The GA survived till 127 ABY, when Darth Krayt and the Fel Empire conquered it, and the GA still managed to to fight till the Sith were defeated, and reorganized again into the Galactic Triumvirate.

@nameynamename3758

Жыл бұрын

it really spoils that fairy tale ending in rotj doesn't it. at least in canon they had a couple decades to kinda take it easy sorta while in legends things get increasingly worse in over-the-top ways

Mandalorians: hey look a thing we don't understand............. LET'S KILL IT!!

The proposed Yuuzhan Vong arc is the reason I could never bring myself to enjoy the final season of the clone wars. I was really disappointed they didn’t go with it in the end.

@Priceluked

Жыл бұрын

They didn't get nearly enough episodes approved to do that. I was pissed they used some of those finite episodes to focus on the new sister characters that had no actual impact on the story we all wanted to see.

@kanyefuck7018

Жыл бұрын

The last few episodes though - from Mandalore onwards - is some of the best Star Wars. The last episode is incredible.

@falcor200

Жыл бұрын

It's a 16 book series it'd need season's not episodes.

@kanyefuck7018

Жыл бұрын

@@falcor200 it would never have been the same narrative as the books. Something like introducing a young Thrawn and a version of the Outward Bound flight meeting the first Scouts from the Vong could have been cool, create suspense, then later reintroduce Thrawn who again ran into a bigger group after going space whale surfing with Ezra... Build towards a series or new trilogy where the Vong are the main threat. Thinking it HAS to be the same story as legends to be good is pretty blinkered thinking, Thrawn in Rebels showed how these ungainly and often chaotic book series can be integrated well to the scope of motion picture.

This should've been the sequels story plot

@masteroftheassassins

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I said!

@neofulcrum5013

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like the Grysk are the canon Vong

@kingmalu39

Жыл бұрын

it would look like lord of the rings but in space

@emzonik8851

Жыл бұрын

​@@kingmalu39Talk about TOR xd. Nah, byt seriously, the Vong perhaps resembke the orcs in appearence, but that's it, there's far less fantasy stuff in NJO.

@Threezi04

5 ай бұрын

Nah tbh I would've preferred Disney let George curate the sequels (he had some cool ideas) and then have the Yuuzhan Vong as a post sequels storyline, like as a series on Disney+

Took me about 24 years to realize that they were referenced in kotor 1

@Jedi_Spartan

Жыл бұрын

Even though it'll only be the game's 20th Anniversary next year...

@imperialone8526

Жыл бұрын

@@Jedi_Spartan look my friend I’m talking about my age😂

Dang, if that Yuuzhan Bong arc was completed, we would have ourselves the correct Star Wars Sequel trilogy. We were so close.

@CMacK1294

Жыл бұрын

We were on the verge of greatness.

@CloneScavengerVulpin8389

Жыл бұрын

With all due respect considering the fallout of the invasion and the yuuzhan vong's culture they are way too destructive for disney.

@mrtoonami1782

Жыл бұрын

They already made the Rakatan Cannon, there is hope!

@mrtoonami1782

Жыл бұрын

@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 Perfect for a Rated R series like they did with Moon Knight. They could do it, they just need financial incentive.

@CloneScavengerVulpin8389

Жыл бұрын

@@mrtoonami1782 perhaps when their's a will there's a way.

Thank you so so much for this. As someone who doesn't have access to most comics or even some of the games (KOTOR era, mainly), I depend on channels like yours for information regarding EU material quite often. I haven't really been able to find many videos explaining the events during the New Republic era of Legends, but this one in particular is very well made. It is not reliant on the assumption that anyone watching has access to the EU material, and thus remains easy to understand and enjoy. New sub for sure. That aside, the Yuuzhan Vong are really interesting to me. The concept of other factions in Star Wars (minus its leadership, the CIS for example) besides the Sith and the Jedi always makes the universe seem bigger, and I always wondered why people disliked their inclusion in Legends. If anyone has any insights into this, I would love to learn. also happy early new year :)

@alexanderrahl7034

Жыл бұрын

Cancerous Ordo in KOTOR 1 mentions if you talk to him about his past enough, about how he came across a living asteroid on the edge of the galaxy once. That was a Vong scouting ship.

@Mephilis78

Жыл бұрын

Kotor is cheap on steam. It's also included in Xbox Game Pass as a cloud streaming game, which you can even play on a phone. Actually, aside from that there is a full Android port of KOTOR

@Mephilis78

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderrahl7034 yep literally in this video

@alexanderrahl7034

Жыл бұрын

@Mephilis 78 yeah, I made the comment literally a minute before I heard him say it 🤣 And I have KOTOR and KOTOR 2 on my phone! Scary how powerful phones are now lol

Tbh Yuuzhang vong should have been the antagonist of the new trilogy but here's hoping they are for the next trilogy

@kevinbaumhoer7359

Жыл бұрын

nahh the new trilogy should have been the thrawn trilogy than Dark empire and the the Vong wars

@swimmer8585

Жыл бұрын

They can't do it properly without luke

@ObligedUniform

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinbaumhoer7359 would've had to have been made in the 90's for Thrawn trilogy. So it was never going to happen, even if Lucas decided to accept that trilogy as part of 'movie canon'.

@rob776

Жыл бұрын

No thanks. Disney have bastardised enough Legends content.

@marcusaurelis

Жыл бұрын

No thanks, feel like they take away too much from Star Wars. It makes the wars between Sith and Jedi/Rebel and Empire seem kind of pointless and not that big of a deal.

I love the story of the Vong. They not only physically resemble possible members of my favorite band GWAR, their intergalactic back story is similar as well.

@commathreeprod.7937

Жыл бұрын

Holy crap I never thought about that comparison but that is really on point.

As to the canceled Clone Wars arc that was going to include them, I remember reading some production notes from Filoni saying he wanted it to be very X-Files inspired. I'm so bummed we never got to see that or anything they had planned for the next few seasons of the show.

Man I wish we seen this arc in the clone wars something new for the clone wars the yuuzhan vong will be very interesting.

I came up with a story a while back, that could be a great way to re-canonize the vong. If the yuuzhan vong were to be brought into canon, disney could retcon the grysk into being a subspecies created by the yuuzhan vong. Like say while scouting the star wars galaxy, the yuuzhan vong create the grysk to help them travel deeper into the unknown regions and help gather resources for their eventual invasion, while traveling the grysk become fascinated by the technology they encounter in the star wars galaxy since they hadn't been part of yuuzhan vong society as long as their ancestors they saw mechanical technology differently, they saw it as means to evolve, but the yuuzhan vong wouldn't allow them to use it because it's blasphemy in their culture, this leads to the grysk resenting their creators, and eventually they spark a brief civil war with the main yuuzhan vong society eventually wining. The grysk after losing the war, retreat to other areas of the unknown regions to gather their strength and prepare to invade the main galaxy and take it for themselves and destroy their creators.

At the level of saga lore, the Yuuzhan Vong War is the most important event in all of galactic history. In general, the entire NJO series was written to be the end of SWEU. Personally, I would not have liked to see them in TCW, because the way they were going to present them would greatly contradict the version we already knew of them in NJO. The Yuuzhan Vong are good antagonists, but what I liked about their story was that they helped the Jedi discover a new way of looking at the force. In the OT and PT, we learn about the living and cosmic force, which are new bases to create a New Jedi Order, and in NJO this circle finally closes by introducing us to the Unifying Force, as a new perspective of the force that does not recognize the existence of the dark side and light side. This is something that many don't understand because they only see the Yuuzhan Vong as cool villains and nothing more. When in reality they are much more than that.

@emzonik8851

Жыл бұрын

I love the Vong but I definitely wouldn't elevate them THAT much. At the end of the day the EU was never meant to surpass the importance of the main saga, the GL saga, neither was NJO. It is still restoring balance to the Force by the Chosen One, that is to be recognised as the single key moment in all of galactic history. If not for that, the Empire would've crushed all of the remaining oposition and the dark side would've comsumed the Galaxy forever. Palpatine would've essentially win against the Force itself. The Vong on the other hand killed countless beings thrpughout their invasion but they could never actually win. The Galaxy was just too enormous for them and they would have been defeated sooner or later. They were only able to start their invasion when the Galaxy was already devastated and devided following the Galactic Civil War and the only reason they went with it was their blinding fanaticism. Even the horryfying death toll they've caused was less than 0,365% of the Galactic population, not a truly exsistential threat. What NJO is truly about however, is the new beginning for Luke's order and the post-ROTJ Galactic powers - learning from their previous mistakes, rebuilding and comming out stronger than befre, essentially solidifying what they had achived after beating the Emperor. It's also another way to look at the series' title. While the order had been around for over a decade before the Vong invaded, it was through that conflict that the New Jedi established themselves as the fundamental element of the future Galaxy. As for you're statement regarding the Unifying Force, I doubt thic couldn've stayed as the ultimate conclusion for the Jedi, at least the way it was described by Vergere, it does contradict George Lucas's idea behind the Force as clarified by master Yoda. Going by the latter reasoning, it was inevitable for Jacen to fall later on. It doesn't mean that the entire UF theory is wrong, just the parts that paint all of the Force as neutral.

More anything about the Chiss ascendency, Yuuzahn Vong, Rakatan infinite empire & extragalactic space is always welcome! 😃 Or Zeltros :3 Or Raxus and Mandalore 😊 great vid btw.

Karen Traviss’s books from after the Vong War will forever remain my canon.

@timbanyai5329

2 ай бұрын

We are in agreement

Above all this video seems to highlight just how much contention there was (and still is) between all forms of Star Wars storytelling... seems like it's grown into something in which the fans, not the creators, determine what should be considered canon now (and of coarse every fan having their own unique spin on that topic). It may make the franchise less cohesive as a whole, but this is honestly probably for the best (as it puts us one step further from defining ourselves and others by narratives and one step closer to getting to know each other and ourselves more as people).

@Nuetral768

Жыл бұрын

@@ashton3446 Thanks. It's the reason why so many people feel lonely, and why coming together doesn't seem to help much (but losing people hits so hard). If we are to turn our world around we will need to learn to accept and embrace within ourselves and others that we are not as characters bound by narratives but in fact writers of our own narratives. Happiness cannot come from trying to live what narratives other people have for us because this causes us to reject ourselves and therefore them by extension on very fundamental levels. True relationships are such that both people allow the other to live by their own narratives as they chose to write and edit them, and where both make the decision that they want to include each other in one another's narratives. The reason we try so hard to define ourselves and others as characters bound by our narratives is because we are afraid of being hurt, afraid our investments won't return what we've put into them. But when we neglect people to the extent that we choose narratives over true relationships with real whole people life tends to take more than it ever gives back... because we lose our place in our narratives as we start comparing ourselves and others to superficial displays of achievement as our own personal achievements are left unfulfilled and longing by our absence. Remember above all else that the greatest strength of man is our ability to make seemingly impossible things happen... all that is required is that we know what we want and focus all we are upon it. And that because of this strength we are bound by nothing more than ourselves. :)

Wouldn't it be great that when Ezra saved Asoka through the time gate that it altered the time line and instead of the current sequel trilogy they could make the Legends style trilogy and be able to have both as canon.

@DevelopmentRobco

Жыл бұрын

I hate the sequels too, but I really don't want star wars going down the marvel route with convolution, time travel, and multi-verses. Star wars is a completely different animal than Marvel, it's not a story of people (special people who make the universe special). Star wars is a special universe that makes the characters special due to events of war, politics, and beliefs.

@tommymolyneaux3766

Жыл бұрын

It wouldn't work that well cause that doesn't explain how the vong would've set up outside the galaxy

@mitchelkvedar674

Жыл бұрын

Idk if they’d ever go that route but here’s hoping they copy marvel and go a timeline route once they run out of ideas

@alaskamark4562

Жыл бұрын

@mitchelkvedar674. I'm with pleasereadcomment77da87 on this one. Time travel makes almost every story feel convoluted and inconsequential, Star Wars really doesn't need more of that. You always wind up with some "why didn't the character just go back in time and fix everything?" plotholes. Time travel is a terrible idea for Star Wars.

@wolfpredator1000

Жыл бұрын

No, new canon is cringe for adults with the mind of children

Infotainment! I love it. It's so awesome that they are shown in little bits throughout Star Wars. I never even realized in Kotor there was an encounter.

That would've been an interesting episode (or arc as I'm assuming it would've been in the later series that started doing stories like that) to have watched. I sometimes wonder what other stories we would've got from The Clone Wars had Disney allowed it to continue instead of cancelling it and creating a Disney+ exclusive final season.

@KRYMauL

Жыл бұрын

Technically, there are arcs in the earlier seasons, but it's all anthology. So, they're in the wrong order.

@GarethDragon

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, like with Domino squad.

The Yuzonvong are basically Space Orcs!

@amanzeihedioha

Жыл бұрын

With universal leather fetishes!!

@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462

Жыл бұрын

They're like Tyranids and Dark Eldar with Khorne Berzerkers thrown in.

@emzonik8851

Жыл бұрын

I rather view them as Star Aars version of the Mongols.

As purely a psychological weapon of fear, the Death Star seems like a ludicrously expensive white elephant. You don't have to blow up a planet to make a point, a few Star Destroyers can make the surface uninhabitable and that's good enough. But if Palpy knew the Yuuzhan Vong were coming with those world ships, all of a sudden the Death Star makes perfect sense.

@questionmaker5666

Жыл бұрын

The Eclipse makes sense for killing world ships, an 160km battle moon unable to shoot moving targets doesn't

@Z1gguratVert1go

Жыл бұрын

@@questionmaker5666 I agree, but the Eclipse is the 3rd generation of world killers, after decades of refinement. I would argue that they didn't know how to make it that small at first, nor did they know they would want to. For example, aircraft carriers made battleships obsolete, but until this was proven nobody knew it. Also you could argue that Tarkin was an idiot for taking the Death Star into battle without a support fleet, which I'm sure is how it was meant to operate because that's how the Imperial Navy (and real world navies) all operate. The Death Star is plenty mobile, just not maneuverable. Probably the best thing about the Eclipse Class is that you could make a bunch of them for the price of one Death Star, so now they can be in more than one place at a time and you have spares if you lose one.

Maybe if we're lucky this arc will be given a small reference in the Filoniverse when we eventually get to the phase where they fight the Vong's canon counterparts. After all, it wouldn't be the first time an unfinished Clone Wars arc was referenced thus solidifying at least some of it as canon in a story set after the Clone Wars. As in the Book of Boba Fett, Boba and Cad Bane give reference to their showdown in the unfinished Bounty Hunters arc, and the Bad Batch Season 1 had a small reference to it too, as it showed Cad Bane now wore a metal plate over his head in the spot where Boba shot him during the unfinished arc. Heck, given what's been shown in the Bad Batch season 2 trailers, it's possible will be getting a new version of that unfinished story where the Bad Batch were supposed to go to Kashyyyk and team up with Yoda and the Wookies as a precursor to the eventually Battle of Kashyyyk. Maybe, the Bad Batch will even be a part of the Canon Imperial age Battle of Kashyyyk shown in Legends that led to the subjugation of the planet by the Empire and hinted at in Canon by the state of Kashyyyk in Jedi Fallen Order.

Ah, please keep making more videos about The New Jedi Order. Old Republic and Clone Wars videos are nice and all but their aren’t enough NJO videos on KZread.

@richardthomas9497

Жыл бұрын

IMO The New Jedi Order era is one that really needed to be fleshed out more.

I saw at least two videos about the Yuuzhan Vong invaded the galaxy during the Clones Wars. If it is possible, I wouldl ike to see how the Geetsly's version of this will played out as well.

I love the yuuzhan vong war and this may be the best video that I have seen about them. Thanks for the great upload. Anything vong related or legends material for that matter is gold in my opinion.

I only had 2 star wars books growing up: The Last Command, and Star By Star, so anything on the Vong War is welcome.

More amazing videos about this era would be appreciated.

Palpatines plans always made more sense with the Yuhzong invasion being a clock he was trying to get ahead of, the clone wars serving as a test of droids or clones being the better army to use, developing superweapons and having a focus on the unknown regions makes so much more sense with this as a backdrop than "Im just evil and want to rule the galaxy"

@stormspotter67

Жыл бұрын

Right? It truly adds a layer of context.. i often wonder how the galaxy would have faired, if palps would have just been honest with everyone tho.

@torg2126

Жыл бұрын

@@stormspotter67 Palpatine's whole problem was that he was evil.

Yes I would love to see more videos about the vong.

I think if the sequel trilogy chose to use the yuuzhng vong as the big bad it could have been so much better

@tonyfriendly4409

Жыл бұрын

That's what I would have loved to see. The resistance and the first order are fighting a huge battle, only for the Vong to invade and make their conflict pointless.

@blackshogun272

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyfriendly4409 the Sequels coulda been far more tame and acceptable had they chalked the entire Resistance vs First Order war as a regional conflict in a poorly explored sector at the edge Unknown Region. Making it a galactic level event was idiotic...

@tonyfriendly4409

Жыл бұрын

@@blackshogun272 That would have been fine.

@tonyfriendly4409

Жыл бұрын

@@blackshogun272 It really was though now that I think about it. The planets visited were all places we had never heard of on the fringes of Republic society. Disney didn't frame them that way, but the way you describe it is really how it is. Maybe, in an attempt to reboot the sequels that is the direction that Dave Filoni and John Favreau will take Star Wars in. Thank you so much for your comment.

At timecode 10:03 Mara Jade vs. Yommin Carr. That was a fight from the Vector Prime novel I would have liked to see play out on screen.

I really wish Disney had not ditched the EU. It would have been amazing to see the Yuuzhan Vong in animation or live action. Perhaps one day we will.

I would have loved to see that arc in the clone wars. I’ve recently really dived deep into Legends and that arc would have canonized the Yuuzhan Vong

Good to see the Tyranids branching out to other franchises

Wait, I thought the Vong's home galaxy was destroyed by droids, hence their hatred of anything mechanical.

@CloneScavengerVulpin8389

Жыл бұрын

They went to war against the advanced droid races but they got carried away to say the least.

@CouncilCape897

Жыл бұрын

While that is canonically true, it's also a retcon introduced in sourcebooks such as the New Essential Guide to Droids and The New Essential Chronology to connect various obscure elements to the larger saga by attributing them bigger roles in galactic history than originally intended. In the New Jedi Order novels (which arguably hold more weight since they're narrative sources), the destruction of the Yuuzhan Vong's galaxy is actually implied to be the Vong's own doing due to infighting amongst themselves for control of their galaxy after their victory over an as-of-then unnamed invading technological threat.

@blackshogun272

Жыл бұрын

@@CouncilCape897 an apocryphal EU story called "Supernatural Encounters" fleshes out there YV lore and claims the machines waging war against each other were roided up Silentium and Abominor. After they got repelled from the YV satellite galaxy, the Vong rebuilt but ended up turning on one another (tribalism "wins" again).

@CouncilCape897

Жыл бұрын

@BlackShogun 27 I've read it before. I was just explaining to OP why Geetsly's didn't mention that part of the backstory in his video. And given that "Supernatural Encounters" was only released unofficially, I don't consider it canonical enough to the EU to take it into account. Which is why I strictly adhere to what's established in the novels and other sourcebooks like "The New Essential Guide to Droids" and "The New Essential Chronology".

A extragalactic threat that pose an actual danger to the Galaxy at large and an xfactor to Darth Sidious plans for the Galaxy, and show the upcoming darkness that the Galactic Empire will bring to the Galaxy.

Instantly recognized Canderous Ordo's voice! Voiced by the late John Cygan aka Solidus Snake in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty.

I would love more post-Endor and Yuuzhan Vong please. Can you also do Ysanne Isard too please.

The Yuuzhan Vong is being set up in the current star wars canon. Look at Mandalorian, Fett and Ahsoka series

@mightheal

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That's setting up Heir to the Empire. When the Grysk show up that most likely will be the second culmination event.

@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462

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The Grysk aren't Vong. And they look like a cheap knockoff.

@austinclark5278

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Thats nice and all but it just won't be or feel the same.

NJO was so sick the battles described were massive and amazing. We also got to see Luke’s Jedi Order truly kick ass for the first time. These stories are 100 percent in my head canon. You can make it work with the sequels too honestly with a little creativity like saying Ben solo was the 4th solo child that was simply a small child during the vong war . Then years after the vong war Mara Jade and the other solo kids and Jedi were slaughtered by Snoke and his dark forces.

@user-yq9im9dk9z

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Canonically Ben Solo is older than Legends Solo children. They really handicapped the timeline with his birth date and screwed up the ages of OT actors, would have made sense if sequels happened somewhere in 44 ABY instead of 34 ABY

@emzonik8851

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There's no reason to shoehorn new canon sequels into Legends or the other way around. Different canons, different stories, characters etc.

We got those two annoying sisters and that dumb arc with jar jar and mother talzin but we couldn't get a yuzzhan vong cameo

More videos on the Yuuzhan Vong wars.

The Yuuzhan Vong should’ve been the main antagonist in the sequel trilogy. Not the knockoff version of the Galactic Empire.

Ok i thought i misheard the kotor reference years and years ago cause it sounded EXACTLY like the vong x.x. Thanks for confirming a younger me's theory

If they would have been in clone wars we would be at a way more interesting point right now. I doubt that disney would bring them in at this point but if they would have been made canon in clone wars I think they would use them

Can you do a video commenting your opnion about how Dave Filoni developed the Jedi in clone wars as an institution that made big mistakes and if that deviated from what George Lucas developed the jedi to symbolically represent in history? Do you think this "subversion" ended up working and giving the story the depth it needed? Do you think that George Lucas already raised this question, but didn't develop it in the story of the Prequels because that wasn't the focus of the plot?

@mightheal

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You do know that George was a co showrunner for Clone Wars right? Nothing got made without his approval.

The Expanded Universes books covering the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, and war with the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant should have been what the Star Wars movies from Episode 7 onwards should have been about. There is so much material in relation the the Yuuzhan Vong and the war that could be used. It could allow for at least 6 new movies, not to mention spin off into different shows.

My resolution to the Legends plot inconsistencies to the new SW movie trilogy with Thrawn being kidnapped by the Purgill was to show where the Vongs were located in the Unknown Regions. The Vongs been hunting the Purgills like whalers and Ezra goes back in time to rescue Thrawn from the Vongs but was pursued all the way to somewhere like Mustafar. The Vong scouts end up encountering Palpy&Vader there and there's a fierce battle between the Imperial forces both on the ground and in orbit. The Vongs ships&troops were barely beaten with a lot of loss by the Imps' top of the line ships. The Imps learned that the Vongs can't be detected in the Force and how fierce fighters they are as well as their Biotechnology. The Imps shields&weapons are mostly useless against them due to the Dovin Basals. This gives Palpy the reason to mass produce the superlasers&build the secret fleet because there's Vong infiltrators already in the Imperial worlds and they're difficult to detect.

I'm currently playing a Star Wars Saga Edition campaign with some friends which is set in a timeline where Thrawn wins the Battle of Bilbringi and manages to restore the Galactic Empire. With the Empire restored, he proceeds to pre-emptively destroy the Dark Empire by torching Byss and purges the Empire of all the Dark Side Cultists and Palpatine loyalists and installs Palpatine's niece, his last surviving descendant, as Empress. Our campaign picks up some 15 years later, with the Yuuzhan Vong invading the Galaxy and now going toe to toe with the Galactic Empire. I've honestly come to really enjoy the Yuuzhan Vong as a Star Wars race. They presented a truly alien, existential threat to the Galaxy, one which forced the known Galaxy to come together to face them. Like the Reapers in Mass Effect or the Dominion in Star Trek. And they aren't just a bunch of mindless savages either. In our campaign, the Vong sent spies and infiltrators to sow chaos across the Galaxy. Supporting terrorist groups and fueling political crisises. At present, they have managed to cause a civil war in the New Republic by supporting an attempted coup by former Chief of State, Borsk Fey'la and even managed to cause a schism in the Jedi Order by playing on the anti-Empire greivances of the Order's members, causing a faction of Jedi led by Kyp Durron to break away and support Borsk Fey'la.

This ark would of been amazing I can imagine we would get introduced to some new clones maybe even a commander helping fight the vong at the end of the arc all the survivors would be personally called to palpatines office were he would get these clones recruited to special anti vong organization to show that he knew the vong existed

dude kotor is so slept on that convo with canderous was wild

Would’ve been cool if the sequels came across Sideous audio journals. And it’s just him obsessing over the coming threat. The Sequels literally could’ve been the Vong invasion. And everyone is like “oh… oh crap… so that’s why the Deathstar was created…”

As long as said video makes clear that the Vong do not justify Palpatine's everything like some people act like....

Yes.. I would like to see more.

Gotta love more vong content

If they (Disney) ever ends up using the Vong War, I really hope they dont try to make justify Palpatine

6:32 “Which prompted a 2 year war between Sekot and the Vong.” How do you go to war against a living planet???

2:19 So basically space Mongols

@jamesleduke873

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Space Aztecs, actually.

They dropped a moon on Chewbacca.

I’d like to see this point in animation series. Be light

With the Sequel Trilogy apparently getting DELETED from ALL canons, thus possibly shifting it into a 'WHAT IF' timeline, there may be room for a new but good take on the 'Legacy' Era, or Post-Empire era, with Thrawn and maybe hinting at the Emperor being alive as a clone, like in Legends, but he doesn't appear like in Legends, and we isntead skip straight to the runner-up to the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. And if so, I hope they add a few more extra episodes to the Clone Wars era, like a bonus mini-season, where it more pays homage to Canderous Ordo's retelling of the 'asteroid that speeded away at ever increasing speed' - the Jedi, or maybe Separatists, are fighting, something crashes into the ground, both sides agree to a temporary truce so tehy can get out of there, find what crashed, and it just SPEEDS AWAY, with everyone just trying to figure out what it was. Then in the ending of this little arc, at that last episode, we see Palpatine classifying it as "TOP SECRET" or something, that the galaxy simply isn't ready for this - and we see him genuinely WORRIED. Zero sign of his Sith malice or being sure of himself, just him looking straight up AFRAID. THis would be a perfect opportunity to give us a GUARANTEE that the Yuuzhan Vong WILL invade. DAVE, JOE, if you're reading this, please consider it! Fans have been CRYING for this for YEARS! Make us happy, okay?

@user-yq9im9dk9z

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Never happening

Since The Vong were already in/near the galaxy by the time of The Old Sith Wars, around 4000 BBY.... Who would win? Darth Sion, or a whole army of Yuuzhan Vong Warriors? After all, they loved their David Bowie. 🎶 PAIN, PAIN, PAIN, PAIN, PAIN. PAIN!!! 🎶

@gehrigstory6674

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Correction, it was "Fame", not "Pain". But imagine David Bowie singing during the fight, and he was saying "Pain", instead of "Fame"? It will be quite the AGONIZING fight for all involved.

I only heard about the Vong from watching EvanNova’s video on Darth Krayt and how he was experimented on by them, resulting in him becoming a full Sith. I would’ve loved to see them go against the clones or even the empire

Guess the Republic got off lucky.

Star Wars: What if? The Yuuzhan Vong attack during the Clone Wars, forcing the Republic and CIS to join forces and defeat the new enemy

You had me at "The Clone Wars Arc"

Even if I'm one on the side of TCW 2008 being justifiably exiled from Legends lore, it's a damn shame this arc never came to pass for the opportune benefit of the (Disney) Alt-universe accidentally created by the Bedlam Spirit Splendid Ap (as seen in the Supernatural Encounters novella). Of course, it might have still happened offscreen, a la "Dark Glass" for Beast Wars: Transformers. Edit: By the way, Vergere should be pronunced similarly to the Greek Vergil.

@blackshogun272

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That was peak fiction when I read that part in Supernatural Encounters. I felt years of stress and pain get slightly lifted. Along with a hint of much needed revenge for what happened to the EU.

The Yuuzhan Vong returning alright. Just unfortunate they won't be facing off against anyone important enough for us to care about!

Yes. Great video!

Imagine Jango and Boba fighting vong together

Please more Yuuzhan vong videos please

I still want to see the Vong in live action. Following the story of Darth Krayt. From the Clone Wars through.. with everyone in it along the way

I would like more of these videos 😊

This is the way!

I guess in Canon vong wiped themselves out during they're travel between galaxies

This could of been Star Wars end game type movie

that season sounds realy interesting, i would think we would not follow the main cast for that, maybe some short glimses where they try to find out what is going on but not a lot more. if the jedi learned about it they would not have keept it secret.

I've always wondered what cannon would be like if it tried to be more similar to legends

Yuuzhan'tar: Let's hope my seed turns out better than its adopted siblings. The Yuuzhan Vong: WE DIDN'T ASK TO EVOLVE, MOM!

The 41st all the way. Geetsley 41st.

It would have been nice to get some foreshadowing

What would have happened if they invaded during the clone wars. Could the republic and separatists have enough to drive them off? Would the crime syndicates help?

Kinda wish they were adapted for the sequel trilogy or a trilogy set in a different universe or whatever

I miss Legends as canon! Still can't move on from Anakin Solo. 😭

There's so little information on the battle of Drayton. Who were the sides of the 4 way battle? Empie, Alliance and who else?

@blakeketterer1847

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The hutts and the black sun were also there and maybe some like local forces with the republic

I saw the concept art for that CW episode

This can only mean one thing...invasion

Deep dive into the Vong

That pronunciation of Vergere blew my mind

Since the YV hated technology, I would assume they disliked the CIS faction more than the Republic. Which would be interesting bc during one of the battles of the YV War, old B2s were activated to hold the line and succeeded. The battle was won with the same antique droids the YV scouted out.

The funny thing is, everybody outright positiones the Vong invasion as the most devastating war in galactic history and its description indeed supports such a clonclusion, however nowhere in the lore is it described as such. We can't be sure how many died during the Clone Wars or the Galactic Civil War cos there was never a specific given number unlike with the Vong War.

@mightheal

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Well there were simple things to look at for comparisons. Only 1 planet gets destroyed in those previous era's but during the Vong invasion multiple planets are destroyed in their terraforming process.

@emzonik8851

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@@mightheal Actually that's not entirely true. We knkw that during the Clone Wars multiple plenets were rendered uninhabitable via the use of bio and chemical weapons. During the galactic civil war, we know of at least 2 star systems being blown up + 2 planets, but given that the war was bigger and longer than the clone war, it's very liku that many more planets were ravaged. Add to this all the masaces commited by the Empire even before the war like the Camaas Firestorm. I am confident the Vong war killed more than the Clone War, but even if it was more intense than the GCW, it was more than 5 times shorter so here I wouldn't be so sure. The GCW's destruction had maybe smaller consequences cos it also had periods of relative stability and the New Republic had breaks long enough to further develop and rebuild.

9:30 How close was the nebula to the Unknown Regions?

@Lonewolf-dy5yb

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Really close. Just near the western edge of the Outer Rim.

One of the coolest things about Vong's invasion was the fact that they prepared it for a long time, even fighting a sort of "cold war", or better a "espionage war" against Palpatine, who knows about the treath of Vong Empire. I remember, when i was reading Crimson Empire, my surprise and curiosity to see the mysterious Nom Anor (at that time, i don't know much about the Expanded Universe), and i searching informations on internet. I thinking that this entire operation was very cool, amd fitting for a new trilogy. Instead...we have received a wannabe sith and the return of Palpatine. Yuhuuuu.....😅

More Vong please!

Now I’m hoping another fan adapts this arc into a Star Wars fan film or series.