thank fucking god you made this. it's everything i've ever wanted to say with the appropriate amount of outrage this movie deserves. ive never seen something so incompetent and narratively irresponsible. and stupid. i recently made a video about wandavision and i could not bring myself to address the mess of MoM, so i linked to this instead. thanks for your service

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

OH MY GOD. You're the absolute sweetest. Thank you so much. I'm such a big fan of your work and appreciate you so much. I'm glad my video could provide catharsis for you :) Wishing you all the best!

So much of the film could have been fixed just by having the villain be a Wanda from another multiverse, in a universe where she didn't experience growth from Westview. I think we'd all want that because having a Wanda vs Wanda fight scene could have been a visual masterpiece

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

ooh I completely agree. I'm so bummed we missed out on that!

@CeCe1066

Жыл бұрын

You dont know how long I was waiting for MoM to reveal the Wanda we were seeing was actually from another universe. But no, never happened. What a waste

@hopeless4649

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, same. It's just so fucking heartbreaking to see a character like Wanda whom I saw go through her grief and establish her character and morality in WV be written so badly in MOM. Like I grieved with HER IN WV! They just disregarded all her character improvement.

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

​@@skulliebythesea There is an evil variant of Wanda in the comics called Lore. But the real missed opportunity is Wanda's arch nemesis, Chthon. Chthon is literally mentioned in the movie. The Wanda who kills Xavier looks exactly like Chthon-possessed Wanda. All of the amazing lore involving Chthon and Wanda is ignored so they can have Wanda be the Hysterical Woman/Girlboss hybrid. Wanda's ability to resist Chthon angers yet also impresses him.

Marvel expects its audience to watch all the shows and movies in order to keep up with the plot, but many directors can’t even be bothered to do that

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

Exactly this

Finally someone understands wandavision. So many people saying that she knew what was happening all along....

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

She didn't know what was happening, and people forget the likes of Steve told her her powers were good. The Hex was created using hundreds of spells, even though Wanda knew no spells. Agatha is baffled by this. Someone planted the spells in her. The Hex was a trap sprung by Chthon. The author of the Darkhold talks about "forging Wanda", implying he has orchestrated everything. The shark who appears in the WandaVision ad and gives the kid "Yo' Magic" is Chthon.

@mellemadswoestenburg1296

Жыл бұрын

It's absolutely baffling to me that people claim she knew what she was doing and didn't give a damn. When Wanda found out what the people of Westview were experiencing she had a complete and utter meltdown and immediately tried to destroy the hex. If she knew and didn't care about the people then WHY would she react like that? There was no hesitation, no should i or shouldn't i, the second she knew what was happening she immediately tried to take down her perfect life to save them from a terrible fate she unintentionally pushed onto them. I had this talk with so many people that it's honestly just tiresome to the point of being painful.

I think the fact that Marvel killed Wanda as a villain in the Doctor Strange movie shows that they never gave value to her caracter

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

completely agree, my friend. It's frustrating as hell.

@dr.robotnick1888

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, besides... Imagine coming back from the snap only to die an year later

The end of Wandavision was Wanda coming to terms with her actions and trauma, accepting that she had to let go of her family to move forward and then they FUCKING make her the villain for no reason AT ALL

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

Chthon is the villain of Wanda's story, by making her a villain it undermines her whole journey of finding out who has caused this pain in her life.

@dreamwalker2865

21 сағат бұрын

Right she had a choice Westview or her family and she choice to the right thing over them, and noboby has given her any punishment or justice for her crimes, and people are insane to call her a good guy, and still want her alive when clearly she is world ending bad guy just like Thanos.

I agree with your sentiment, but I definitely blame Michael Waldron the writer more than Sam Rami for her character assassination. I read a previous draft of the script that leaked online several months before the movie, and it was a lot worse than what we got(I straight up thought it was fake). I think Elizabeth's amazing acting and Sam's directing actually helped improve the character in the movie a lot more, but still writing problems are writing problems, and major writing problems that assassinate characters and disrespect their previous arcs are so fundamentally bad that the movie still suffers.

This is so true. So many people said that ‘I support women’s wrongs.’ in reference to Multiverse of Madness.. and that’s fine but her wrongs made no sense???? Like??? And bro… the fact that Sam Raini didn’t watch WandaVision?? Like tf?? R u serious? You had one job??? Anyways I love your channel!!

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

LMAO literally! Always here for women's wrongs, HOWEVER, I'm NEVER here for bad writing. Truly unacceptable

@pplr1

Жыл бұрын

I'll admit I didn't watch WandaVision. That said I didn't want Wanda, someone who willfully turned her back on a mass murdering robot when she realized how bad his plans were and, like you said, joined the good guys after that would readily start killing people to be a multidimensional kidnapper. I sympathize with sad Dr. Strange who was toxic initially but tried to grow internally and come back to the woman who did treat him well earlier-even apologizing to her for not appreciating her more and treating her badly earlier. I think Dr. Strange being sad is a worthwhile thing to discuss. A question to ask is if Sam Raimi applied horror tropes that usually apply to women and put them in a Marvel film.

@MrNoob-ev4kt

Жыл бұрын

@@pplr1 I believe Sam didn’t watch WandaVision because feigi instead just told him main points and ideas of the series, such as her dealing with grief and trauma and over the loss of vision and the birth of her kids to which she heard in the post credit scene

@pplr1

Жыл бұрын

@@MrNoob-ev4kt Maybe. But if he did that then did he mention how those were resolved?

@MrNoob-ev4kt

Жыл бұрын

@@pplr1 im not quite sure, you could search up the interview

Thank you!!! I watched this recently and was absolutely baffled by Wanda's characterization. How do we go from an emotionally/morally conflicted person who ultimately does the "right" thing even when it costs her everything to MUAHAHA I WILL KILL THE CHILD!! Even if the narrative reason is "well the darkhold undid all her character growth" to me that is a sloppy and disappointing choice; clearly they just wanted her to be cool and scary and they didn't give a darn about the person inside all that. As someone who has been a big Wanda fan since Ultron it was very annoying to see her suddenly be The Grudge after the beautiful emotional portrait we got with Wandavision. Ugh!

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

The absolute SLOPPIEST. I completely agree. So disappointing .

@mellemadswoestenburg1296

Жыл бұрын

@@skulliebythesea I'm so disappointed with this movie. Btw there is absolutely no way she died like that. And when she comes back she will 100% get a redemption arc. But despite being a complete sucker for redemption arcs i'm not looking forward to this. Because she already got one! After AOU. And because of this stupid movie i can't even trust it cause the last time it didn't stick. And it wasn't even her doing! "Oh the darkhold made her this way" is such a crap excuse to turn someone into a murderous witch in between movies. It might be whiny but it's just how i feel.

@MrNoob-ev4kt

Жыл бұрын

@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 tbh I would’ve still loved a villainous role from her but the way they executed this one just wasn’t it for me. They could’ve made a more convincing and reasonable reason to make her this way rather than just saying the darkhold’s corruption did this, sloppy and disappointing asf

@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102

Жыл бұрын

@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 They definitely will have a very difficult task ahead of them trying to salvage Wanda from this. Half the fandom seems to think she's irredeemable now, and it mostly stems from the fact they made the Darkhold influence way too vague and barely explored it at all. They should've given us a few scenes of her struggling/hesitating with what she's doing - anything, really, to show that our Wanda is still in there somewhere.

@mellemadswoestenburg1296

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 definitely. They could have shown more inner struggles. Like maybe having a tear stream down her face as she's about to destroy Kamar Taj, showing that she doesn't really want to do this but the darkhold is twisting her. Something. They needed to show that this isn't really Wanda. But i guess most people didn't buy it especially after they painted her as a villain in Wandavision. Even though this video perfectly explains how Wanda never had bad intentions during that show.

Tbh this movie was as much a character Assasination of Doc Strange as much as it was Wanda’s

while i do think raimi should be held accountable for his negligence to the works he was building off of, i also think that michael waldron should take some of the blame. he continuously managed to contradict both loki (which he also wrote mind you) and wandavision along with fundamentally breaking the fabric of the universe to the point where absolutely nothing can make sense anymore.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree. Michael Waldron should absolutely not be allowed to write anymore, he's consistently shown that he has absolutely no grasp of character writing.

It feels like all the writers of MoM and Sam Raimi knew about Wanda was what happened in AoU (volunteered for Hydra, influenced Tony's mind to create Ultron, helped only when she realized she would die as well, after a pep talk and her brother died) and they were told that she had twins that died. Seriously it's like nothing happened between AoU and MoM

the fact that sam raimi didn't watch wandavision makes my blood boil also. It reminds me of how I feel when i remember that Michael Gambon, the actor who portrayed Albus Dumbledore in movies 3-8, never read the fucking books and based his performance on one of his teachers from childhood, which like...what? You can't read some books? You're playing a VERY important character. so same note to sam raimi: you can't watch some fucking TV???

Not watching establishing material is unforgiveable. Honestly, I'd expect anyone involved in making an MCU film to have watched *all* of the previous movies and shows. Don't want to? Go direct/write/act for another film.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY

you’ve really changed my pov on MoM for the better !!! i kept trying to piece together what everyone didn’t like the movie for but now i understand. Sam and Kevin should really be ashamed 😭like how do you let someone in on a project that hasn’t watched the previous one that has EVERYTHING to do with the main character?!?!!!

Personally, I feel like this movie of her as the villain would have been fine had it come later. Honestly my only real issue with it was the fact that, as you said, it did not make sense for her to suddenly be evil right after the events of Wandavision. Had there been movies in between where she makes appearances and sees the remaining people get along with their friends and family and finding love etc her becoming bitter and the desire to have her kids back would make much more sense (and the fact that that longing is resurfaced by bitterness and hatred makes the transition into something ‘evil’ much more natural) and she’d be more likely to try something again, but Marvel just want to crack on with ‘oooh look at us and our multiverse concept’ without caring about the character arcs anymore because they know that they can. *sigh* At least I can mostly forgive it because at least we get a visually different movie (even tho yes Wandavision did it first lol) which the MCU has been NEEDING oh my god

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

I agree! I definitely think this transition would've been more suited as a slow burn

@uriargaman7241

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. There was very little room to corrupt her after WandaVision. She sacrificed her family to help a couple thousand people. That's actually the hardest sacrifice in the MCU yet - note how Tony and Natasha made sure theur loved ones were safe by sacrificing themselves. It's made explicitly clear that Tony wouldn't have sacrificed his daughter to reverse the blip if it came down to it. And after that you turn her into one of the less compellinh villains? No way to do that. After WandaVision she should have emerged as a troubled hero, or remained in her seclusion. In no way can she be a villain... MoM should have introduced a villain from another universe, used Mordo or someone from the comics. Even an alternate Scarley Witch. Not the 616 Scarlet Witch.

@jamestolbert1856

5 ай бұрын

She shouldn’t even BE THE VILLAIN WHEN IT WAS SET UP THAT MORDO OR EVIL STRANGE TO BE THE VILLAIN AND SHOW THEIR DYNAMIC WITH THE HERO

Totally agree, it was heartbreaking seeing Wanda given up vision again. And I don’t even buy Wanda and Vision relationship. They have nothing in common but the mind stone. But wandavision make Wanda such a deep and heroic character, to them throw it all alway

I also felt like it was very "whiplashing" to see her character be like that after wandavision. I was so confused as to why we didn't really get a reason as to why she was so hellbent except for hearing her kids in an end credit scene at the end of Wandavision. The only reason I liked the movie was because I like Dr. Strange (even though his whole huge ego thing is tired) and I loved America Chavez (it's hard to get representation around here)

@VOID-gz6jk

Жыл бұрын

And that’s what was weird to me because she said goodbye to her children she accepted that her children were gone and that she was probably never going to see them again, and I feel like the end credit scene was more a hint to a great evil coming so I’m just confused on how that shifted into it being 100% about her kids

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree and I really wish they did more with America because there really wasn't much to her character other than, her power and her having two moms. There's still a long way to go in terms of representation

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY! I couldn't have said it better.

@nileverdeen3797

Жыл бұрын

And I love wanda. Slay

@MrNoob-ev4kt

Жыл бұрын

@@skulliebythesea honestly having chaves in the movie was a little too much for me, I would’ve preferred just strange and Wanda and a demon like entity as the villain and we get a sort of anti-villain approach to Wanda in the beginning and later on work along side stephen, it’d be like a start of her redemption arc ever since WandaVision with the whole town enslaving thing

Honestly, the kids should have been in danger like the wandavision post-credits scene suggested, they could even be orphans and have nowhere else to turn. It still would be too fast, although at the very least it would make some kind of sense with the darkhold. But no, she had to be absolutely insane. She went from nuanced to insane just like that. I thought her show was making a difference in the universe; telling darker, more mature and morally gray stories. Clearly, wandavision was a fluke and marvel won't get any better than that.

As hard as it is to believe, the problem with this movie actually isn't that Wanda Maximoff is the villain... the problem is that she ISN'T the villain. The Darkhold is. WandaVision did such an excellent job of giving Wanda complete agency over all of her actions - the good, the bad and the ugly. It was a true character study that was driven by Wanda's unconscious mind, her conscious intentions and her physical actions. Wanda exited her Westview quarantine as a beautifully rounded character and yet, WandaVision still managed to still make it feel like this was only the start of her journey. It was a true origin story for THE Scarlet Witch! DSitMoM, however, managed to completely strip Wanda of all agency, reducing her to a shell of A Scarlet Witch puppeteered by the Darkhold - the perfect plot device for Waldron to do absolutely anything he wanted with Wanda's character. LAZY WRITING AT ITS FINEST. Plus the exact reason why DSitMoM feels like it has no arc or message... the plot isn't really driven by Strange's actions and decisions. And you know what, fine, you can still grow his character by having him help Wanda learn her lesson based on her actions and decisions - he is a doctor after all. But none of her actions and decisions actually feel like hers if she is going to be an exoskeleton for the Darkhold! And you know what, the Darkhold as a corruptive artifact isn't even a poor concept, you can still retain Wanda's agency despite using the Darkhold as a morality bender. Just let us into Wanda's mind to see how it is corrupting her. The bare minimum way to do this was to make the Darkhold make her believe that her children were reborn in another universe and under threat! LIKE THE WANDAVISION POST CREDIT SCENE ESTABLISHED. And on that note let me make an even wilder proposition, a la the dialogue: Vision: “We’ve said goodbye before...it stands to reason that,” Wanda: “we’ll say hello again.” Imagine if the Darkhold made her hallucinate a Vision with a dark, corrupted colour palette pleading her to do anything to save their children reborn in another universe. How genuinely maddening would that have been for Wanda without annihilating her agency??!! That's a true mother storyline... we have seen that she won't consciously harm others to secure her own comfort, but will she consciously harm others to secure the safety of her own children??

The fact that the “I’m the bad guy now”reveal was 22mins into the film makes me so pissed they should’ve done it like in the half of the movie at least it would’ve been better executed and “The dark hold corrupted her” is just a shitty excuse. Heck even my dad liked this movie but hated what they did to Wanda’s character. Even the reveal went from “I made mistakes and people where hurt” to “I’m the bad guy now” that is the definition of a shitty twist or villain reveal.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY THIS 👏 I couldn't agree more

Good Things About, Doctor Strange : MOM - Music - Danny Elman (Same person composed for Tobey maguire, Spider-man movies) - Director - Sam Raimi the cinematography & art style) - Benedict & Elizabeth performance was good, that's all.... Bad Things : - Story was crap (the movie of Antagonist was fucking bullshit) - Characters written poorly - This looks like Wanda movie, doctor strange is side/supporting character in his own movie - The screenplay was bad - America Chavez had worst performance & character arc - Cameo appearance characters was wasted (very badly)..

100% agree with everything said. It's like they used the excuse of the dark hold to ruin her character. I wouldn't have mind if she was being manipulated like Shang Chi's dad. It would have been a much better excuse to make her the "villian" even though I don't think she needed to in the first place. I just feel like making her the villian was fan service since she is one in the comics which is annoying. (Also this rant was basically me coming out of the theater lol)

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

LMAO so glad I'm not the only one who felt this way 🤣

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

@@skulliebythesea They didn't even show Wanda's arch nemesis, Chthon, the one who has been manipulating Wanda her whole life. Chthon and the Wundagore mythos is what this movie needed to lean into, not the kids. Chthon is where chaos magic comes from. The weird thing is we see what looks like Chthon-possessed Wanda from the comics kill Xavier, but the film at no point shows how Chthon is manipulating Wanda. It tells but doesn't show. Not only that, Wong pronounces his name wrong. Also, Wanda had barely appeared in any comics in the past 17 years, after they had her go crazy.

@cesarolba7726

Жыл бұрын

Well in the comics the darkhold is actually just a tool for Chthon to manipulate Wanda and since she has read it she became corrupted. There is actually a detail in M.o.M. that after Sara destroyed the darkhold Wanda's suit became more lighter red and Wanda's fingertips became faded black and not Black. Now that Chthon is mentioned he will probably appear after the events of Avengers secret wars I mean he is the Elder God of Chaos after all.

Isn't it the writers who did wrong here, not the director?

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

Sam Raimi and Michael Waldron have both been vocal about how involved Sam was in the writing process, even though he was the director

@Wuhaboo

11 ай бұрын

Bro even Minerva got a redemption arc 💀

Exactly. The same problem as Daenerys. You can't possibly believe she would go balistic THAT HARD. Remember that scene in Age of Ultron when Wanda cries after facing some robots about how the suffering is her fault ? And when Hawkeye comes to find her in Civil War and she's all like "I've done enough damage". Not having any sort of guilt about murdering people in sequels is either becoming a psychopath or bad writing. I think you can agree on which choice the movie made.

dude the director didn’t even watch wandavision?? that’s bogus🤦‍♀️😭

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@ilminurul8964

Жыл бұрын

At least raimi confessed he didn't watch wanda vision, unlike Waldron that he claimed watch thor and avenger, but in loki series many things were wrong

Worst Wanda MoM takes compiled: *Getting triggered over Dr Strange not burning Wanda at the stake for Westview bc Wanda's the only Avenger who needs to be held accountable for their crimes(even if they're accidental, didn't kill anyone, she sacrificed everything to put an end to it when she became fully aware, and she now has to live on the run again for it). 'WandaVision was too scared to make Wanda the villain which was it's problem. They handled her with kid gloves, while MoM didn't' ("kid gloves" = writing her character with nuance, agency, and respect ok) *Ignoring the fact that Wanda was corrupted by the Darkhold, and calling her "unredeemable" 'Wanda is someone who uses her internal pain and loss to justify evil.' (actual take I saw someone make) 'If you don't like her writing in MoM, you've just turned on her character.' *Pretending as if Wanda fans honestly argue that Wanda was the hero of MoM as a straw man just so that person won't have to deal with good points Wanda fans make. 'Wanda Maximoff and the Scarlet Witch are two separate entities.' (which is what the writer Michael Waldron has been implying) 'WandaVision was a villain origin story.' And it goes on. Not to mention the fact that they basically just stated that her kids were never real completely craps on WandaVision, Wanda's sacrifice, and her status as a mother.

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

Scarlet Witch = Avatar of Chthon, this is the whole point of her arc, where the eventual pay-off will be, defying Chthon by not being what he wants her to be. Waldron doesn't get this and ignores the set-up of the conflict between Wanda and Chthon in WandaVision, when Agatha quotes Chthon from the Darkhold. The whole point is it is a struggle between Wanda and Chthon. The fact Wanda's powers are not called Chaos Magic and Strange is so nonchalant about her magic (which is the oldest magic and ultra rare) proves beyond doubt that Waldron and Raimi did not watch WandaVision at all. In Raimi's case I will go further and say it was directorial ego. Alot of directors think they shouldn't have to follow someone else's work Also, notice how in the MCU we see lots of fathers (Tony, Scott, Clint, Hank) but the women are all childless, in the case of Natasha and Wanda they are pointedly made barren.

15:40 "Also, hire actually experienced writers to do your scripts." Because that's the thing about Michael Waldron: he's clearly someone who got his job based on his connections, not his own merits. I'm not making that up, either. He doesn't have much in the way of writing experience. Before he wrote _Loki_ season 1, he was an assistant writer on _Community,_ an executive producer for a few episodes of _Good Game,_ and a producer on _Rick & Morty_ who only wrote ONE episode. That's his resume from before he wrote _Loki_ and _Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness._ And BTW, with _Loki,_ Waldron just repurposed an old sci-fi script he wrote a few years prior for the show.

I knew something big was bothering me about this movie, but I couldn’t put my finger on it (aside from the usual mcu style and weaknesses). I noticed how fast the “ah she’s a villain now didn’t you know?” Happened. So thank you for pointing all of this out. I think I am tired of marvel and the mcu, I don’t think I’ll be watching any more of the movies. At least on the cinema, it’s not worth the price. The age of piracy is here again.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

It's a pirate's life for me, for sure.

11:03 Which is also weird when you consider that Stephen and Christine honestly have more the vibe of "they were friends with benefits before Stephen had his accident and went to Kamar-Taj to learn sorcery". Like, I dunno. And I say that as someone who liked the _What If?_ episode where the change was that Christine was killed in the crash instead of Stephen injuring his hands.

Well, In wandavision, We saw wanda grow and heal, so when i saw her in MoM and saw that she had abandoned the "Ill learn this power" type character i was confused then realised, wandavision was purely to heal her grief with vision, which is why she didnt go to a reality with vision and her kids because she healed from vision, it was her children that broke her back open to her state before wandavisions events. I beleive since it was the darkhold that made her do these events, we should have saw wanda after wandavision, reading the darkhold and being corrupted slowly, that extra 20 minute scene could have helped the movie so much, it felt like a let down to the people who were scarlet witch fans as most of us can relate to wanda in some way or another.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

I agree! I would've appreciated a much slower corruption. I think it would've suited her character much better

Multiverse of madness should have had Wanda be the good guy her and the villain should’ve been another Wanda from a different universe

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

love this idea. I've also seen people say that it should've been an alternate universe Dr. Strange, which I also think would've worked well.

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

There is an evil Wanda called Lore in the comics.

Thank you! I felt the same about the movie. I watched Wanda Vision and absolutely LOVED it. Especially the slow unravelling of the plot, it was exceptional. The sheer pain that Wanda felt in the concluding moments with her family was so REAL. When in the last scene they showed Wanda reading about the Scarlet Witch and understanding her powers, I expected a different kind of struggle. I thought they would bring white vision back who wouldn't 'love' Wanda but more so use her to understand his own self, alongside that I imagined Wanda struggling to overpower the Darkhold because she has morals. Destroying the earth or bringing chaos to the multiverse after she fought so hard to save the it, went as far as to kill the love of her life and even gave up a picture perfect life just because people were hurting, doesn't add up. It seems like Wanda and Scarlet Witch are completely different according to MOM, as if Wanda has no control over her Scarlet Witch persona which again, makes no sense. Wanda Vision ended with Wanda learning how to control her powers which is chaos magic. Wanda by far is the most powerful hero in MCU. It doesn't make sense for them to turn her into an emotional villain who doesn't think twice before killing someone. The best thing about Wanda is the complexity and layers of her character, it's different from others. Amongst the holier than thou heros who indirectly make a mistake leading upto a calamity, Wanda's mistake with Westview wasn't intentional but direct. It was much more interesting to see than the little 'oopsies' by other marvel heros. With this movie, the whole character development of Wanda over the years, was totally flushed into the gutter. And if you ask me, Wanda is by far the most emotionally stable super hero, considering the tremendous amount of chaos magic instilled within her for being the Scarlet Witch. After going through so many tragedies, I highly doubt any other hero, with her kind of power would be able to do what she did at the end of Wanda Vision. Then in MOM all gone. I hated what they did to her character. The better have a GREAT comeback for Wanda.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

I AGREE WITH ALL OF THIS. Absolute perfection.

Thank you for voicing my outrage omfg Along with the blatant misogyny, I just wanted to add in the awful implications for mental health and the antisemitism of this movie through Waldron’s writing. Wanda is clearly a character with trauma, and in WV the way she talks about her grief implies that it is extremely depressing for her and likely causing clinical depression. She feels as if it will drown her. And then in this movie, one of the only characters to ever express on screen in marvel their inner turmoil, depression, and trauma ends up committing suicide. Like not only is it one of the most tired tropes for a “redemption arc,” it’s also a horrible message for the real world. As for the antisemitism, Wanda as a character is supposed to be Jewish and Romani. Even though they didn’t cast her that way, that is STILL her roots and where she comes from. In this movie, she’s an “evil witch” who is chasing a young girl to suck her powers AND LIFE out of her for her own gains. This entire motivation is basically blood libel which is an extremely antisemitic trope about Jewish people using the blood of Christian children for power, youth, or whatever else.

@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102

Жыл бұрын

I'll agree with everything you said except for the part about the antisemitism. Because here's the thing, Scarlet Witch being half-Jewish in the comics was nothing beyond just being a tick mark on her profile page. It had literally zero impact on the character in practice. The only thing tying her to it was because she was retconned into being Magneto's daughter for a while... which then got undone and hasn't been the case for nearly a decade; with MCU Wanda also not being his daughter either. And even when she _was_ still Magneto's daughter in the comics (which was a retcon to begin with, over 15 years after her debut), she never even met him until she was already an adult. Her Romani aunt and uncle that raised her weren't Jewish, so she didn't grow up adapting any Jewish culture/religion whatsoever. Her Jewish background has literally never mattered in a story and she's never shown caring about it either. She did however (and still does) explicitly describe herself as a pagan several times.

@magikphoenix140

8 ай бұрын

⁠Even though her Jewish background wasn’t that big of a part of her character, it’s still a part of her character. It not being that big of a part doesn’t erase the antisemitism in this writing in MoM because at the end of the day, the character is still Jewish.

Even tho I agree with you, I still loved Elizabeth Olsen's performance in Multiverse of Madness. Because of the fact that her acting was just phenomenal, I didn't even realize that they didn't make her character good. But I think they can still save her character in the future MCU-projects!🤞🏼 I'm still a fan of Wanda, but just because of Elizabeth Olsen.🤷🏻‍♂️ I'm still so confused at why exactly Sam Raimi didn't watch WandaVision. Like, why wouldn't you watch such an incredible show? I thought THIS was going to happen in MoM: - Wanda being under control by a villain (Mephisto or Nightmare) thanks to the book because she was very vulnerable at the end of WV, especially after she lost everything again. (-> that's what I got from the WV end-credit scene, tbh🤷🏻‍♂️) - Wanda therefore becomes a villain and needs to do whatever the "bigger" villain wants (catching America Chavez through the multiverse or manipulate reality for the villain..., something like that) otherwise she wouldn't get her kids back - Doctor Strange saves her from their influence on her - Wanda realizes that she needs to move on and save the world - Doctor Strange and Wanda fight Nightmare or Mephisto through the multiverse Looks like I was completely wrong🤷🏻‍♂️

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

i would've LOVED to see that movie though!

As a Wanda stan I will be completely honest. I respectfully don't see Wanda the same way you do but I respect the way you are unhappy. I think Wanda is a character that everyone sees differently. Some understand her 100% some don't at all and it just shows how interesting the character actually is. I have seen so many different views on Wanda and I understand all of them. You're definitely not wrong on Wanda, MOM and WV are the same stories but in WV the story is told from Wanda's perspective and MOM is told from Stephen's and I agree it was not as good. Damn I can't believe as a Wanda stan I agreed with quite a lot of your statements (but I still don't think Wanda is assasinated), I can't believe people complained about Jac Shaiffer on Wandavision when she understood Wanda more then any other writer and director ever. Next time they do something they should bring her back and give Lizzie Olsen more control over her character. I'd love to have a conversation with you about Wanda, you have very interesting opinion

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much 💖 I agree, I think Lizzie should definitely have more agency over her character, I believe she's earned that right. I would love to chat with you about Wanda. Shes been my favorite MCU character for years!

and omg i actually have such a love hate relationship bc of how beautifully and creatively directed this was and yeah, thats the only redeeming quality! so

Wanda started with loosing her family and got to have closure this could be a new arc of accept- nope she had to watch vision die twice and now she sad… this could start an arc of vengeance and acceptance- nope, sword caused her to to enter a super trauma state and enslave a town.. but Monica saves her and helps her accept her fate and start her journey of fi- nope she decided to start up the dark arts that corrupts her and she becomes the strongest super villain ever where she ends her life thinking she is a horrible monster and her last moments are self sacrifice and sorrow with her last action destroying darkest magic.. and she didn’t get to even get acceptance like other dead or retired avengers did

@insertnamehere1398

Жыл бұрын

She left the MCU worse than she started

this is so underrated , i wish more people could see this video so they can understand whats going on instead of just mindlessly consuming marvel content JUST because its marvel and not thinking critically about the actual story/characters/plot

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

Feel free to send this to all the brainwashed marvel fanboys 😏

The Wanda arc from Wandavision to this movie felt like Disney Star Wars writing in terms of how different the character is. But I think Marvel can't crack writing female characters like Pepper or Carol Danvers. One is weak and the other needs a way more interesting writing. For me, I'll stick with the Guardians for consistent writing ✍️

I agree with you on literally every note! The ending of the movie was so rushed and it did not do Justice to Wanda who has been everything since I first saw her, the ignorance of not watching this mesmerizing show that WandaVision is was another mistake, Elizabeth Olsen was THE sole reason this movie is towards the good side, Wanda is such a relatable and comfort character, let us pray they somehow bring her storyline back on track sometime soon.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thinks this!!

i think that the movie should've ended at scene where Strange screams it would left a lot of possibilities for a third movie because now we basically know what's gonna happened

This video is such a whiplash from everyone else's videos on Wanda and Steven. Thank you.

10:50 well, to be fair, when wanda's darkhold was destroyed there were other universes and dimensions that still has the darkhold existing like mount wundagore.

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

I find it stupid that Chthon doesn't even react to the Darkhold being destroyed. Why didn't we hear Chthon scream and roar in primal anger? I thought Raimi was a horror director?

I must have been the only one to suspect Wanda's heel turn to the dark side after Wandavision because the ending scene of Wandavision seemed very telling that she'd go bad. I suppose it was up to interpritation but when Wanda said "I dont understand this power, but I will" and secluded herself; I took it as her planning a way to get what she wants back without being interrupted - not so that she wouldn't hurt anyone in the process. She was hurting people just by living her dream life. Imagine that. And they were hurting because they physically couldnt handle her grief, a grief she's been carrying and meant to carry on her own. They get to escape it but she just has to live with it? Perfect villain arc. Add the darkhold on top of that and I think that's a surefire way to set off a powerful heel turn.

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

But where is Chthon? Chthon is Wanda's creator and the author of the Darkhold, he is the one who boasted of "forging" her and named her Scarlet Witch.

@Error_-ct2vp

Жыл бұрын

Also if you READ THE DAMN COMICS. You would know that she’d turn EVIL

@gingerdog8203

Жыл бұрын

@@Error_-ct2vp yea but not this quickly

@melodicaheart415

Жыл бұрын

@@Error_-ct2vp turn evil? Wanda has been a character for DECADES and less than half of that cumulation she was evil. Wanda is mainly a hero.

@melodicaheart415

Жыл бұрын

@@Error_-ct2vp if you read the damn comics, you’d know she has a good heart despite *sometimes* being the villain

This video contains some valid points that you mentioned. The writers were primarily to blame for the drastic change in MoM. I know there were reshoots, but because they didn't watch Wandavision and there was no context, the transition was terrible. They used the Darkhold as a stand-in, but her actions were still heinous. Even after watching this film eight times and noticing the poor writing, I can't help but feel invested in this character; she is so morally devastated that I can't help but care about her. Elizabeth Olsen's acting also played a role because she is amazing. Also, I had the impression that, prior to Wanda, she was one of the only females who received a lot of attention. She is, in my opinion, one of the most intriguing. I believe she is not dead because of her popularity and upcoming content, and I hope that when she returns, her writing will be much better, whether she remains netrual or has a redemption. But one thing is for sure I can't help but love tragedy that is Wanda Maximoff 🙏

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

I want to see her confront Chthon in her own solo movie. That would be epic. Mark Hamil is Lizzie's favourite actor and voiced Chthon in Superhero Squad, and alot of people want him to play MCU Chthon.

Thank you so much for making this, I have had these exact same thoughts about Wanda's character in Multiverse of Madness I just didn't know how to explain it properly. WandaVision is my all time favorite Marvel Studios project and Wanda is my favorite MCU character, so it really hurt me to see them completely ignore Wanda's character arc and have the nerve to do the exact same arc from WandaVision but infinite times worse. Now that I think about it this movie is probably what caused me to get MCU fatigued since it doesn't feel like they put the same care into their projects anymore as they did before

Thank you, thank you, thank youuuuu! Your video and Princess Weekes' video on the just horrible take Multiverse of Madness had for Wanda literally just verbalized all the thoughts I was having. Thank you for all the passion you put into this video, it had to be said

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

BAHAH i'm so happy to help. Honestly, I'm really glad I wasn't the only one who was so frustrated by how they wrote her in this movie.

girl, you went hard on it, AS YOU SHOULD the only thing i was happy about, was that i never was a strange or wanda fan, because if i were, i would've been so disappointed and mad with this film. it felt underwhelming and without any stakes, i wasn't involved with the action at all. and also "killing" wanda was so cheap - i mean it's obvious she's still alive, but they just left and showed it that way in order to make A BIG COMEBACK in one of the future projects. not cool. i must also say that i'm starting to get tired of mcu as well! since the tv shows started, i'm not as excited about new stuff anymore, and just as you are, i'm not a fan of the direction they are taking now. i dunno, maybe this will change soon, but now i think i'll focus on different fandoms

@Fluffy_Wolverine

Жыл бұрын

oh and please, please, please do the video on how mcu portrays women! i'd love to hear your thoughts

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

BAHAH thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I think we're basically in the same place haha I just can't find the same joy in Marvel anymore. I'm glad I've switched to other fandoms, definitely less letdowns

I’ve been hesitant to watch the film because the last thing I wanted was to watch her be demonised (and isn’t it gross how women w/ power are only redeemable when they have kids / cough cough the depiction of a sympathetic Cersei vs an evil Daenerys) But the dark hold thing I fully understood and was ready to accept as the reasoning. After all with a little explanation, she’s easily a tragic figure. My dad and I were a little excited after finding out it’s the dark hold, because we’d both watched Agents of SHIELD where they spent an entire season showing it’s corruption effects and the inherent tragedy of all the ppl affected. Each villain was also a victim. To watch your video… and many others… ans see that they don’t at ALL treat Wanda as if she’s a) toxically manipulated by dark magic or b) a metaphor for suffering an identity altering illness like dementia/trauma/ptsd (all of which would fit her story so well). To have others, who have no hope of taking her own physically, not even ATTEMPT to cure her. This is also why I hate the erasure of her relationship w/ Clint (canon lost girl guardian). And now I see it’s because male directors have the audacity to look down on content they deem inferior to them. How dare they not do their homework? I recently found out a director of Harry Potter never watched/read the series (which is why despite working on one of the most important thematic books in the series, the entire film was tone deaf).

A million times yes. I was told I have to watch WandaVision in order to enjoy MoM. I finished the movie wondering whether I misunderstood, because the movie didn't meaningfully refer to the (pretty good) show *once*. That being said, I think Strange is a well written flawed character that actually does grow through the movie, but this only aggravates the character assasination of Wanda in contrast.

im so glad marvel ended with endgame. hard to believe there was nary a thought of continuing

This is unrelated but I think the MCU has the opposite problems of Star Wars under Disney when it comes to world building. Where the Disney trilogy and the Disney plus shows felt like the universe is too small, the MCU is as big as the ocean but has the depth of a puddle, not to mention over bloated.

Pretty much agreed with you with just about everything aside from the MCU supposedly doing women characters dirty and Phase 4’s decline. The only real misses Phase 4 had IMO have been Eternals and MoM.

Here's the problem of Disney these days, They can't make a pure evil female antagonist. Even they need to make their own backstory of how they have a bad childhood, get abused or losing their family and friends. And in the finale of tv show or movies, the protagonist is always forgiving them or they win in the end. Probably the closest pure evil woman in MCU is Hela from Thor Ragnarok, get imprisoned by Odin for her entire life, wants to seek revenge and is very ruthless. Now, let's take a look of Stormfront from The Boys Season 2. She is a literal Nazi who is also a pure racist, a good manipulator and also just pure evil. She has lost her family a long time ago and already moved on since she doesn't age as the first experiment of Compound V and she's more than 100 years old. She also has good personality to make people love and hate her. She even can charm Homelander, the main antagonist of the show. She just purely evil and she has no redeem quality which is how an evil female character supposed to be.

@ilminurul8964

Жыл бұрын

But stromfront is likeable and hate character, she's so interesting and plus she even confess that she was not good and willing do shit for her Nazi and her shit, she not playing victim. Unlike wanda she always play victim and whining how bad her life is, and the reason she did that because she's sad

Wanda used to be a good character, but then got completely massacred, and turned into a Narcissistic overpowered moron who goes out of her freaking way just to kill some kid that has powers that allows them to travel to different universes.

Imo this is a good example of a directors touches ruining a character. Olsen was doing bad 80s movie of the week villain, cuz that’s ramis style. the introspective vibe the first dr strange movie had was all but sucked out. HES A CHEESY BAD DIRECTOR

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

👏👏👏

@minato_arisato3751

Жыл бұрын

He's a good director just a cheesy one

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

Raimi can only do very basic stories with minimal nuance. He cannot do anything layered or complex. Put it this way; he draws using crayon.

She DOES feel like a different person with each movie after the other

I personally don’t really blame Sam Raimi for the issues with Wanda’s characterization. He was a director for hire asked to come in and make an MCU movie that matched his visual and filmmaking style. I do blame the people in charge of the MCU for not providing better direction for the overarching narrative. I’m sure that if Wanda’s characterization mattered to them, they would have given Raimi notes to that effect and asked for changes to the script. The fact that they didn’t is telling

I thought the story was just basic, now it's gone down hill.... 😭

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

LMAO literally

I can feel your passion in this it's great. I loved wandavision and I actually like doctor Strange too. So when they announced both would be in MoM I was ecstatic. What they did with them was so disappointing. Particularly Wanda. They definitely hint that she's going down a dark path. Which is fine, actually would have been a more enjoyable film for me if she was corrupted throughout the film and turns at the end. But she just nose dives in right away. I can still scarcely believe it. And the fact that the director didn't even watch the previous work before making this film. I mean come on, I'm a fan of older Raimi movies but what in the world man. I also did not know they rewrote the movie because the first version was testing bad. That is funny now I wanna know what it was originally gonna be. I will say your rant in the middle comparing the grief of the 2 characters felt a little off. I always feel like in real life we shouldn't compare and measure people's grief against each other. So it would be wrong to say somebody shouldn't be sad because they are watching somebody they love marry somebody else because somebody else lost their love to death. But for real, your quip that they Danaeris Targaryand her was pretty spot on. I can't for the life of me understand how people watch that and rank it so high on their lists of mcu movies. I'm like you. I used to be so so so into the whole mcu stuff. But after Endgame it's like the spark is gone. I don't watch everything opening weekend. I haven't even watched all the shows. Eh. It's a weird feeling losing that love you carried for 10 years.

For now I’ll just say that they really wanted to have their cake and eat it too in this film. They got to make Wanda a monster and give them selves and out with thr darkhold so that people could defend them when people criticize Wanda’s character. But it’s late for me and I think there’s a lot I wanna talk about in this video so I’m gonna rewatch it soon and I’m gonna make another comment with better articulated thoughts. Always love your videos Skullie. I know you don’t do them as much anymore but I always look forward to them when they happen.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

You're so sweet Adam. Thank you for your lovely comment. I always appreciate your support 😊

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

Darkhold would have worked better If we ar least heard Chthon.

Stephen learned to be patient and humble and also learn to make the hard choices and I REALLY THOUGT THAT THIS MOVIE WAS GONNA BE ABOUT HIM LEARN TO ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS

Just one note about Sam Reimi at the beginning I heard somewhere that he didn't watch the show because he didn't even knew that the show exist or Kevin Feige said to him that wasn't necessary, something like that. Still, I don't know if it was true. "White Man Sad" was literally the plot of Strange in the "What if" show, the main Dr Strange was over Christine long time ago, so he got the same bad treatment as Wanda of using the same arc of a show, the only diference Is that this Strange didn't end up destroying the universe.

It’s frustrating because me my mom and my sister all went to see the movie together and the only person who hates it and they don’t understand why

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

I feel this. My dad LOVED this movie and I kept trying to explain to him why I was so frustrated and he was just NOT getting it 🤣

@VOID-gz6jk

Жыл бұрын

My sister was like but wand was always going to be a villain and I’m like not really because the way wandavision left off was that a great evil was coming that she had to stop looking for her children to fight this great evil not her becoming a great evil and I hate how the most major jumps of plot development and character changes happen off screen in marvel movies like I need to see this happened to understand that’s why I stopped watching young justice

Despite how much I liked the movie and how much i adore Wanda, you are 100% right. First, why would you do a movie without researching the character - that's literally the bare minimum. Second, the things that are good about this film, as you said, are the cinematography, CGI, and I would include the music (I am in love with the soundtracks, especially 'A Cup of Tea'). After 2-3 rewathcings of the movie (DISCLAIMER: I quited the MCU fanbase somewhere after IW due to personal reasons, not cuz of the MCU itself, so when i watched MOM, i was not really invested in the 'PrEvEoSlY oN' plot, a.k.a the disney+ shows), I started to understand why people HATE this movie so much. Third, I personally think that people (including me) watch the movie only cuz of Elizabeth Olsen. Let's be honest, if it was not her, the movie would have been trash most likely. And, on top of all that, she was paid only 2M$, and Benedict was paid 5-10M$, which is kinda embarrassing. The sad thing is that I was one of those who used the Darkhold excuse, but after your video, I sort of changed my mind. Anyway, thanks for the amazing video, in my opinion, your 'Wanda's Character Assasination' has the best explanation so far. Gotta stay tuned for new updates^^.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much 🥺🥺💖

Interesting take. You mentioned the misogyny of the movie, but Marvel's narrative is that hate for this movie is due to misogyny. Projection from a movie studio? how's that for irony? Btw, I loved the character of Scarlet Witch, and I'm glad I didn't see this movie.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

danngggg that is some TOP-TIER IRONY. It would be funny if it weren't so disappointing

Im late but u ate this up

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

Thank you bestie

Hi!! Thanks for this amazing video, I too was so thoroughly disappointed by Wanda's character journey in the movie. Post WandaVision, Wanda became my favorite character simply because how well they were able to portray Wanda's emotional journey throughout the show. And coming to MoM, they simply made a cheap reboot of that and it totally didn't make any sense to have such a radical character shift. I feel if they really wanted Wanda to be the villain, they could have shown her descent progressively as the movie went on and give her solid enough reasons to do so. But how do we explain this to someone who didn't even put the effort of watching your lead villain's journey!!

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly! Thank you for your kind comment 💖 I'm sorry you also experienced the same disappointment that I did. I'm just kind of pretending like this movie didn't happen and enjoying Wanda how I used to 😁

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

@@skulliebythesea Jac Schaeffer was spot on in seeing the Darkhold as being about wordplay and trickery. Chthon likes to trick and deceive. But Waldron can't write that, writing the Darkhold as manipulative would require real skill as a writer, The whole theme of Wanda being a character, subject to the manipulations of a cruel author (Chthon), was missed. Schaeffer conceived an idea that Wanda "destroying the world" was in fact only destroying the Hex, Wanda thus sees through Chthon's trick and destroys the Hex. Schaeffer wasn't allowed to use her idea because they wanted to use the destroying the world thing in this movie, so her clever idea got replaced by Waldron's dumb one.

Also can we please bring up how the MCU keeps gentile-washing their Jewish characters like Wanda, Pietro and Peter? And how no one holds Elizabeth Olsen accountable when she keeps using the G slur to describe Wanda and her style when Wanda was canonically Romani in the comics

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh! I knew about the gentile washing, but had no idea about the G slur. Yeah that is completely unacceptable.

@sawyer6264

Жыл бұрын

@@skulliebythesea yeah she’s said it before in multiple interviews. Graham Norton called her out on it, but she’s never apologized for it

@adammyers7383

Жыл бұрын

@@skulliebythesea oh man i didn’t know either! I should look into that. Here’s an interesting video on some of the issues with Jewish characters in marvel if you’re interested: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nnZptql9d9vOh7A.html

@ravenr0cks

Жыл бұрын

@@sawyer6264 she 100% apologised for it and she never new it was a slur. In fact, it isn't a slur in some countries

@scarletwarlock8795

Жыл бұрын

Yes, thank you! I'm so sick if Marvel white washing their characters foe the MCU, and or just erasing their culture/ religion/ back ground

You know, I connected so deeply with Wanda when Wandavision premiered. The show was a cathartic fix for many people battling grief, depression, or mental illness... but as I sat in the theater watching Multiverse of Madness, I could not figure out why I had this overwhelming sadness watching it. I enjoyed the movie but literally drove home in silence and couldn't figure out why because I enjoyed seeing Wanda be so badass despite me not understanding why they were setting her back from WV. It wasn't until I saw your video that I realized why my subconscious was so perturbed... & I agree with your points 100%... not only did the way her character was written cast a shadow over her growth in Wandavision, it also rocked the foundation of a character I had emotionally connected with and wanted to see grow further.

Why couldn’t they just call it “the Snap”? It has a nice ring to it

I love all your movie reviews and character analyzation they are always so throughout and amazing.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

thank youuuu! This comment is so sweet! I'm so glad you enjoy them! :)

Make more videos please this was so much better than expected and I would love to hear your takes on other media

What's funny is they are destroying the male and female characters all the same and each side only sees their gender being demolished

LITERALLY Like Wanda finally got closure and not even a year later tried to off a minor to be with her not real children. Like M.o.M is so annoying.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

PERIOD

I think you're largely right. The MCU's Wanda Maximoff has always been a favorite character of mine, and while I am still very split on WandaVision as a whole, I can respect it for being different and attempting to explore her trauma. Phase 4 has assassinated quite a few of it's returning characters (including, but not limited to: Sharon, Loki, Natasha, Thanos, Vision (in What If ep5), and even Strange himself), but none of them have been done as dirty as she was. However, I would say you're underplaying how much of a role Wanda had pre-Phase 4. Her story arcs in Age of Ultron, Civil War, and Infinity War were all beautifully handled despite not being at the forefront.

Fucking SPOT. ON.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

thanks bestie :)

FINALLY someone talks about itt OH 👏 MY 👏 GOD 👏

Also something to add too Wanda didn’t know she was a witch or that her powers where centered around magic. Up until Wanda vision she had never actually cast a spell before. All she had done was levitate/fly, move things with her mind and blast shit that’s all she knew.

I recommend Barakamon anime. It's sweet and has beautiful lessons about taking care of your mental health. Also the dub is amazing.

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

I'll have the check it out! Thanks for the rec 👍

I agree with a lot of your points and am curious about how you would’ve handled Wanda’s character and arc in Doctor Strange? What would you have done differently?

Damn, you made Wandavision sound good

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

"The Scarlet Witch is not born, she is forged." - To forge means to repeatedly smash till you get what you want. The tragedies in her life are orchestrated; they are no accident. "She needs no incantation" - as an avatar, she does not need to summon from the chaos god. "The Scarlet Witch needs no coven" = Wanda is Maiden, Mother, and Widow, thus she embodies all three phases of womanhood. She thus requires no coven as she is the trinity. She is named Scarlet Witch by Chthon, "because a namer has mastery of the named".

To be fair she does make for a pretty scary villain, if they were set on that they should have pushed it even harder. Why not make her the next Thanos, she could pull it off.

God, I hate Dr. Strange now because of this movie. I hate what happened to Wanda.

@liamgettis1458

Жыл бұрын

She did evil shit in just about every movie and show. When did you start liking her exactly?

@SA_586

10 ай бұрын

@@liamgettis1458 looks like you haven't seen Civil war, Infinity war and Endgame

Hoping for videos about anime more tho.💙

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

OMG really? That's so sweet! My anime videos always tank here so I post anime on my other channel @HappyPancake 😂 I'd love to do more here though

Weird comment here but I was really glad to see you use those Yona of the dawn clips. It's a great show! (Also a great example of how to write a female protagonist, unlike this movie, as you point out)

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yona of the Dawn is my favorite Shojo anime. So happy to see another fan! ❤️❤️

Even elizabeth olson said that when they were making M.o.M. she was always thinking "Wanda would never do that!"

So I take it you like Sam Raimi's horror direction for the movie aside from how he handled Wanda?

Damn, I didn't remember how wandavison is so good on developer her character. I know is good, but the way you explain the all her character arc, made me see things that I don't noticed while watch the show. I think had 2 years since the release of wandavison, I gonna watch again. Thanks for the video :) I discovered this year that I love sitcoms, so I gonna received a bonus for watching this show ;)

People keep forgetting that wanda maximoff was also seen as a monster after Lagos and sokovia just wanna point it out cause all the time she tried to help she was still seen as a monster

I just blamed the darkhold the entire time because I love Wanda and there was so much good about the movie.

Tbh I hate the fact that the dark hold existed in the first place. Gives a stupid cheap reason for Wanda to go stupid crazy n evil aaaa

12:07 Okay but they did try. Strange went to Kamar Taj to prepare its defenses but before the attack started he made another plea for Wanda to reconsider and even said she was justifiably angry and she told him to go fuck himself. Then after watching her butcher his fellow sorcerers and hurtling through the multiverse with Chavez, the girl Wanda is trying to murder, he couldn’t exactly “appeal to her humanity” when his priority is Chavez and having just recently watched Wanda kill a bunch of people with no restraint whatsoever.

@bry-guy4177

Жыл бұрын

And I want to add that I’m not necessarily disagreeing with your video but it also seems as though you’re downplaying Wanda’s wrongs when she quite literally kidnapped and brainwashed a whole town. It doesn’t really matter if she thought she was helping it’s still a massive encroachment of people’s freewill by forcing them to act out in your play about your dead husband and fake children.

This movie broke my love of Marvel. Especially, because in the comics Wanda’s children are lost souls in the underworld that need her help. The show hints at that when she says thank you for choosing me. She knows they are out there somewhere in her dimension and need her help yet she is going off to steal her own children. It makes no sense. Also not only did this movie repeat Wanda’s arch, it also repeated Dr. Strange’s arch from his first movie. It was a poorly done rehash that ruined both Characters

Hey Skullie by the Sea! Multiverse of Madness had so much untapped potential. Amazing video, as usual! Keep up the great work! I’m doing a re-script of Doctor Strange 2 with a friend where Wanda is still the villain, but a morally complex redeemable villain where she is very much so her WandaVision self. Please let me know if you would be interested in reading the script/screenplay!

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

OMG absolutely! I would love to! Feel free to send it to the email in my ABOUT tab :)

She was never held accountable for sending an enraged hulk in a metropolitan area. Captain america is later angered when she is put on house arrest for her past terrorist activity.

@Relugus

Жыл бұрын

Captain America was working for Chthon lol.

@SA_586

10 ай бұрын

She wasn't in house arrest for her past crimes it was for the Lagos incident which isn't her fault

Fantastic analysis! Thanks

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much :)

Great video. I absolutely agree. I still don’t get why people like MCU Strange. Like I get him having a cool skill set but his character in these movies isn’t good. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Like, I walked out of the theater loving the visuals and style of the movie but just not liking what they did to Wanda. It almost felt like they were afraid to really go anywhere with the multiverse stuff

@skulliebythesea

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely spot on. Like, he can make some cool sparks from his hands and he's got a cool cape, but they haven't used any of the movies to showcase him becoming a better person. He's still ego-driven and controlling. Very cool visuals, but lackluster plot.

@djantouahmed7319

Жыл бұрын

Then go and see breakdowns of the movie doctor Strange movie.

Truthfully, I’m partially, hoping that it’s revealed that that was an alternate Wanda and Harkness shows what happened to our Wanda.