After so many years, this is the first time i see this helicopter view

@aprilleerose

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@Jo-hc8pm

3 жыл бұрын

Yes same here.

@kathyhiggins8690

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@SuV33358

3 жыл бұрын

Same. Still feels like a punch in the gut though 😔

@TrSavage-yi1jv

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

The early pioneers always take the greatest risks. My greatest respect for those people. R.I.P

@javiersimental1908

5 жыл бұрын

They are still alive... They didn't die. Research it..... They are all alive and well they are professors and teachers now.

@Samaintbovered

5 жыл бұрын

I had the same reaction.There are events that consist of the "before," the "after"-- and whatever edge divides them. The "before" can be anything from a horrendous disaster to the articulation of a single sentence... But once that action is complete, there's no going back. You've crossed a line-- and nothing can ever the same again. With the Challenger, I remember being at school, focused on a test, when the vice-principal slipped in. Without looking at any of us, he quietly made his way to my teacher, whose desk was behind me. I stared at my paper and waited. Finally, l heard him whisper, "The 'Challenger' has exploded." This was my first encounter with total incomprehension. Although I understood that such a thing was possible, it never occurred to me that universe would actually allow it, my mind seemed incapable of absorbing the situation's enormity. Since then, only two other events have ground me to an all-systems-fail halt: Event #1. 9/11, which was a disaster in the truest sense: humans glorying in the perversion of God's greatest gifts, free will & intellect. The 18 years since have provided little clarity. Event #2. The confirmation that my mother had Alzheimer's. Having spent 10 years begging my family to believe that she had the illness, I figured I'd be super-stoic when the confirmation finally came. Wrong. Again, there are certain, merciless truths that can knock the world off its axis--The only thing that's changed is that I'm intellectually aware of the fact. Unfortunately, that doesn't do much for the lonliness.

@Samaintbovered

5 жыл бұрын

had the same reaction.There are events that consist of the "before," the "after"-- and whatever edge divides them. The "before" can be anything from a horrendous disaster to the articulation of a single sentence... But once that action is complete, there's no going back. You've crossed a line-- and nothing can ever the same again. With the Challenger, I remember being at school, focused on a test, when the vice-principal slipped in. Without looking at any of us, he quietly made his way to my teacher, whose desk was behind me. I stared at my paper and waited. Finally, l heard him whisper, "The 'Challenger' has exploded." This was my first encounter with total incomprehension. Although I understood that such a thing was possible, it never occurred to me that universe would actually allow it, my mind seemed incapable of absorbing the situation's enormity. Since then, only two other events have ground me to an all-systems-fail halt: Event #1. 9/11, which was a disaster in the truest sense: humans glorying in the perversion of God's greatest gifts, free will & intellect. The 18 years since have provided little clarity. Event #2. The confirmation that my mother had Alzheimer's. Having spent 10 years begging my family to believe that she had the illness, I figured I'd be super-stoic when the confirmation finally came. Wrong. Again, there are certain, merciless truths that can knock the world off its axis--The only thing that's changed is that I'm intellectually aware of the fact. Unfortunately, that doesn't do much for the lonliness.

@fascinatedweeb9324

5 жыл бұрын

@@javiersimental1908 Sorry but that's a big negative to your response, all 7 crews on board was killed in this miserable disaster

@davejachamikovitz3817

5 жыл бұрын

Not all of them are alive today, Javier Simental. One of them was killed when the first missle struck the twin towers, and another one is missing after hijacking and piloting a Malaysia Airlines flight to parts unknown. Jeez.

"Flight controllers here looking very carefully at the situation - obviously a major malfunction." 35 years later, that's still the most haunting and heartbreaking understatement I've ever heard uttered by anyone. You can sense the NASA announcer trying to maintain his professionalism and composure in the face of profound tragedy that was still unfolding right in front of him.

@mulliganstew72

Жыл бұрын

Yes yes yes. He didn’t want to believe it. And neither did we.

@salvitoripopadillo4539

2 ай бұрын

I couldn't sense anything. It sounded almost scripted to me. No emotion in his voice whatsoever. I remember watching this in my classroom like 95% of children around the world. "They" made sure EVERYONE would witness that event live! 🤔

@stripedassape8148

2 ай бұрын

I think the hindenburg audio beats it in that regard not that it's a competition✌

@MrRedeyedJedi

2 ай бұрын

Stark difference to the hindenburg announcer

@salvitoripopadillo4539

2 ай бұрын

@@MrRedeyedJedi Ha! 😅 "Oh The Humanity!"

A couple months before this happened I landed in el Paso. Tower told me to" hold my position. Allow NASA t 38s to have right of way. Before taxing . All of them passed in front of me while taxing to the runway for take off. They all waved. But she, Christa , waved the longest, and had the biggest smile. She was so proud to be there. I'm proud to because she waved at me in my little 172. A great memory for me

@enjoyingmyvodka1013

4 ай бұрын

😮😊

@sen5908

4 ай бұрын

She wasn't allowed to fly on the T38s

@todddraper

3 ай бұрын

@@sen5908 Yeah, she was. Try Googling Christa McAuliffe T-38.

@karensamuels390

3 ай бұрын

I dont believe you. You cannot even spell.

@todddraper

3 ай бұрын

@@sen5908 Not sure why my original comment got deleted, but yes, she was allowed. Try Googling it.

This is what happens when companies do not listen to their engineers.

@generalkickass6385

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@youngcracker9517

5 жыл бұрын

Gotta save money somehow

@roguishpaladin

5 жыл бұрын

Mustafa Sahin I think you are gravely mistaken. After the Challenger disaster, there was a period of review - a scientific review in which the scientific method was used to determine the cause of the failure, as well as to refocus themselves upon a safer approach for the good of the astronauts involved. On September 29, 1988, the Discovery launched, not the Apollo. Apollo was the name of the 3-man capsules of the 1960s moon missions. And, by your logic, the Apollo moon missions, being named after a pagan Greek god, should have been even more unsuccessful.

@HeyDude93gt

5 жыл бұрын

Mustafa Sahin It wasn’t that they challenged this god, but they probably weren’t pedophiles! Now that might of upset your god

@thiagov6123

5 жыл бұрын

This is what happens when engineers make mistakes

"Obviously a major malfunction" has to be the biggest understatement of that entire decade.

@Lerxstification

5 жыл бұрын

NO. It was Obama saying "You didn't build that".

@bobford1866

5 жыл бұрын

@Lerxstification Fuck off with the political B.S. for once you slow-witted imbecile.

@Facelessify1

5 жыл бұрын

@@Lerxstification Oh boy here we go....

@paulpaulsen7777

5 жыл бұрын

Sylvia Ross No, they need to stay professional, even at the biggest disasters- that’s what they did

@billyfraiser6298

5 жыл бұрын

@Sylvia ... sorry but you're point doesn't make any sense. If the guy had said "a major malfunction", than your point would make sense. But he's already making the SAME POINT AS YOU in the video. So you're an idiot :/

After all these years those words "Challenger go at throttle up" are still haunting 😢

@rhondaeverett8284

Ай бұрын

Yes

@No2theBS

Ай бұрын

Except its Challenger go AT throttle up

@johnmccnj

Ай бұрын

Alongside "Columbia, Houston. UHF comm check."

@ebonaparte3853

28 күн бұрын

@@No2theBSThe point still stands.🤷🏾

@puny-tinsucks5102

8 сағат бұрын

@@No2theBS nope it's "go WITH throttle up" it's the standard for 'all systems are go' on shuttle mission take offs. my client was a former nasa flight engineer and pilot for major airline so i will take his word for it. i asked him if he ever saw a ufo as a pilot and he said he did outside of Detroit once.

I remember a day when it happened... I was 14 years old kid in USSR and I was feeling that pain. I feel very sorry for those who lost their life it that tragic incident. It was like all our dreams about space exploration just hit a wall.

@ajaysghag

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. I was 15 at that time. I followed developments of Russian and American space programs.It was absolutely heart breaking to see the Shuttle explode. May the souls of the Astronauts find eternal peace

@ajaysghag

3 жыл бұрын

@Shane J Absolutely...The way the world politics is shaping up ...it's alarming... World leaders should work towards Global Peace...then only the world will prosper

@listenup872

3 жыл бұрын

No one was hurt during the propaganda delusion effort made on the part of the US. As the phallic shaped device was unmanned.

@xenophagia

3 жыл бұрын

@@listenup872 You're a fucking idiot. Get out of here you disrespectful flattard. I have a play list on my channel just for your kind but I've learned there's no getting through your stupid skulls.

@phillipcsandoval9094

3 жыл бұрын

@@xenophagia , My brother ! I couldn’t be happier right now! Thank God I found your comment. These leftist parasites need to be exterminated 100% so us patriots and decent future generations may have a respectful prosperous life. Thank you !

The video that shows their families and Christa´s elder parents crying in hopelessness as they watch the sky is something I wish I could unsee, it literally made me sad for a week.

@Cliew5473

3 жыл бұрын

I just watched it and that's how I'm feeling now... Heavy heart. :(

@cocochanel9285

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no .. I never saw that video. My heart still aches for all involved

@corneliuscrewe677

3 жыл бұрын

I wish they would stop showing that. No one should be subjected to that kind of scrutiny at a time like that.

@threeminuteshate

2 жыл бұрын

I avoid any videos with that footage. I’ve seen it plenty for this lifetime. You know they want to break down and sob but they desperately keep their composure. A heart breaking sight.

@awesomerpower

3 ай бұрын

@@corneliuscrewe677Morton Thiokol should be forced to watch it. NASAs decision makers should be forced to watch it. Boeing and the FAA should be forced to watch it.

Since it's a single tilt-up shot near ground level, this is the best video I've seen of this event in terms of conveying altitude.

@williammcbrayer3277

3 ай бұрын

In the traditional view that everyone has seen, you're flying with the shuttle as it ascends, and then you're almost part of the explosion, the camera goes haywire, herky jerky, etc. In this view, the launch just.......stops.

They wheeled the TVs in our science classrooms when I was in 9th grade to watch the launch. Even me the class clown was left in tears. It still brings tears to this day. Farewell again crew, you’ll always be in our hearts.

@CanIbeFrank

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/n4JlrK-NlsjHoco.html

@lifepasses1875

3 жыл бұрын

That's sad tho

@googoolac1060

3 жыл бұрын

6th grade same thing. We couldn't believe it

@xenophagia

3 жыл бұрын

That happened in my class with Columbia. I teared up too man. Couldn't help it.

@xenophagia

3 жыл бұрын

@@CanIbeFrank You're a moron.

I worked that mission as a diver doing crew training and sat in disbelief as the tragedy unfolded. I will never forget the moments and emotions of that day.

- Control: "Challenger, go at Throttle Up". - Challenger: "Roger, go at Throttle Up". Then, two seconds later, there is this crackling on radio, indicative of the explosion. Sends some very cold chills down my spine each time I watch it. These guys on board Challenger saw themselves plunging to their own death... RIP, all of them.

@charlesschauer8927

4 жыл бұрын

I never heard that before either

@lujo0707

3 жыл бұрын

If you listen to full radio interaction between shuttle pilot and mission control you can clearly hear pilots last words. He said : "oh no".

@fabio78

3 жыл бұрын

@@lujo0707 he said "uh oh" and no, you can't hear it. It's part of the transcripts, but wasn't open.

@lujo0707

3 жыл бұрын

@@fabio78 than maybe i heard some recreation of event, i remember showing it to my friend.

@blue9multimediagroup

3 жыл бұрын

@@fabio78 in certain audio, you can hear it albeit brief.

I was in my parents kitchen watching this. I remember telling my sister “it’s not supposed to look like that”.

@thekingofvirginia5014

5 жыл бұрын

Lmao everything was fine until the end and what college did you study rocketry huh? Yea shut the fuck up dummy

@sandlot90130

5 жыл бұрын

The King OfVirginia u r a insensitive donkey

@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou

4 жыл бұрын

@David Mc oh we got a badass over here..... you pussy

@SnowTopHusky

4 жыл бұрын

Thats enough. No more arguing here its been settled and resolved.

@chateaupig826

4 жыл бұрын

You tube ; the only place you can get a sensible observation with a stfu followed by an explanation about the topic at hand . O MG humans are awfull arseholes and fascinatingly insightful all bunched up - LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣

“The engineers don’t know what they’re talking about”. - NASA

@trashpew7275

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, before Apollo 11, the engineers gave NASA a ~5% chance of the astronauts coming back alive. Post program analysis put it at ~80% I believe. Still a miracle that only ever Apollo 13 had a very close call with loss of mission.

@oliverclark8873

3 жыл бұрын

@haymayjay I agree that Apollo 13 was probably the closest call but Apollo 10 and Apollo 12 both had close calls on loss of mission. Apollo 10 when the Lunar module went out of control on the way back to the Command module and came within seconds of not being able to get back. Apollo 12 when it was struck by lightning during launch and came within seconds of having to abort before they regained power to their instrumentation.

@spetsnatzlegion3366

3 жыл бұрын

NASA employs people who are at the very cutting edge of their field, top-notch workers who really should be listened to if they say anything at all.

@markusmuller6173

3 жыл бұрын

Engineers didn't want to start because of freezing temperature - the root cause for all three sealers beeing destroyed. Engineers on Titanic: Five cells filled and we go down - evacuate now! The engineer knows the design limit. If he tells you it will fail, you are just nuts when you continue! kzread.info/head/PL7tB6qL0r-AYne4REmG9Axwv3gfNRBUjN

@clay8739

3 жыл бұрын

@@markusmuller6173 Reminds me exactly of the 2016 water slide decapitation of Caleb Schwab: "Not one engineer could get it right. Not one. So I fired them all..." -Fucking Idiot (Jeffrey Wayne Henry)

I heard about the Challenger Disaster when I was serving in the Marine Corps. A sergeant who was passing by told me that the Shuttle had just exploded, but I thought he was trying to kid with me. I remember going into my car and hearing live coverage on the radio of the tragedy. After growing up as a kid during the triumph of the Apollo Program, it seemed inconceivable to me that an inflight catastrophic failure was possible. But of course, it did happen and it would happen again 17 years later with Columbia. Very sad. RIP Challenger and Columbia Astronauts.

@TacShooter

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I heard two people talking about it and I asked, "Wait, what movie is this?"

@dragondancer1814

3 ай бұрын

I was in sixth grade then, and my class was returning from our twice-weekly trip to the local gymnastics club for PE when we heard the report of the shuttle explosions over the van’s radio. Our driver started cracking jokes about it like it was some disaster on _Star Trek_ or something, while I was sitting there in shock. How could this guy be such a jackass about it, I mean really? Our principal, who was also one of the upper-class teachers (grades 4-6 in one of two classrooms-did I mention that this was a small Montessori school?), was shellshocked at the news and found a way to break it to the school with grace, dignity, and respect for those brave star voyagers who were taken from us too soon! RIP Challenger crew! You are not forgotten 38 years later!

@duartesimoes508

2 ай бұрын

The Space Shuttle was far more dangerous than the Saturn V. They took much higher risks in order to have a reusable vehicle with much heavier payload. And paid accordingly.

@Cool1097

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your service! And I'm sorry you had to endure hearing about this!

@alex-internetlubber

Ай бұрын

@@duartesimoes508 Yes although I see Challenger as a management screwup. The engineers knew it was too cold. Columbia is a different story because as you allude to, bits of foam broke off on other flights, only on that mission did it end up proving fatal

I have been a witness to Paris’s Concorde crash, I was at the airport and that aircraft was loud, everyone would look at it when it took off. The worst part of being a witness is the feeling of helplessness: you want to help, do something, but there’s nothing you can do. My respect to the crew and their families.

After all these years, this event makes my heart sink.

@mrgalvez11

7 жыл бұрын

LMFAO!!

@BornAgain77757

7 жыл бұрын

Sure would dislike living in an Everything Is A HOAX world, never being able too face reality!

@siliconbong9386

7 жыл бұрын

*gives your heart a balloon, so it not sink too far :D

@Cin_Vhetin

7 жыл бұрын

They are not alive, BUT all evidence shows they were still alive after explosion... and died on impact

@stevealino2899

7 жыл бұрын

me too

It's 2020 and watching this video still hurts.

@daviddean4061

3 жыл бұрын

I’m 2020, watching the abject stupidity of humanity hurts...

@abheekgulati8551

3 жыл бұрын

2021 now, it'll always hurt

@sarashepard7504

3 жыл бұрын

No one died. Shock factor trauma is what they did. Check out Cows In Trees.

@Dude_Guyman

2 ай бұрын

@@sarashepard7504 Correct. This was faked.

@ArchangelExile

2 ай бұрын

What about in 2024?

The combination of the explosion, the shock, and the screams and wails, and the guy commentating, trying to back his throat, trying not to cry, it’s enough to make a grown man cry.

RIP to the brave astronauts aboard Challenger.

@MiguelGarcia-ht9xz

5 жыл бұрын

There's pictures of the 6 out of 7 crew members

@stevens4877

5 жыл бұрын

Stevie Curry ....yeah...they made my laugh so fuckin much...hahaha

@WasItWorthTheTime

5 жыл бұрын

You mean ignorant. Brave ia for other people.

@nrodry76

5 жыл бұрын

And the teacher too, Christa McAuliffe.

@lucianoinso

5 жыл бұрын

They all died, just checked

That silence when they lose the shuttle, still haunts me after all these years, RIP challenger crew

@soldiers303

5 жыл бұрын

No one died you idiot. Do your research. Space travel is not real.

@nightowl7459

5 жыл бұрын

@@soldiers303 It's you who is the idiot.

@kingsman428

5 жыл бұрын

@@soldiers303 Just checked you're still a fucking clueless moron

@wolfe1970

5 жыл бұрын

@Alex2900 Come to my home and call me a idiot you chicken shit

@trudijones6992

5 жыл бұрын

This is a lie! I had the honor of meeting an engineer who worked there at the time of this explosion. The engineer told me there is a red button that is to be pushed if there is danger during take off. He said there was something wrong, and he was told to push the red button, and he refused. They told him to righter push the button, or walk away. He chase to walk away. The Challenger was blown up from within the compound. Once my friend returned to work, they told him he no longer was employed there, that when he walked away, he was quitting his job there. He took legal action against them, and he won the case. He said he could not blow that space ship, and live with himself! THEY BLEW UP THE CHALLENGER ON PURPOSE! MORE OF AMERICA'S LIES!!!

First time I have seen this view of this disaster

After so many years, this is my first time i found this helicopter view

I didn't really mind Challenger footage, until now. I've never heard the radio communication. "Roger. Go with throttle up", then cracking on the radio and an explosion in the sky. That's chilling.

@duderama6750

5 жыл бұрын

Go with throttle up = 237. A prayer to satan.

@AdrianJayeOnline

5 жыл бұрын

@@duderama6750 explain

@deanpd3402

5 жыл бұрын

@Fazersion you obviously know nothing about the satanic masonic history of NASA. It's even right there in your face with that Hollywood movie about rocket scientist and Satanist, Jack Parsons but you just go along and keep sticking your head in the sand. It's much safer.

@duderama6750

5 жыл бұрын

@@AdrianJayeOnline A,B,C, easy as 1,2,3. Do the math. What's not so easy is to learn all of the meanings of numbers and how to apply them in context. In this case, H = 8, E = 5, L =12, so Hell = 37. 237 could be interpreted as 2-Hell, or to Hell. "I'm on the highway to Hell" = 237

@robertgonzalez6046

5 жыл бұрын

@@duderama6750 well that was stupid

It's been 32 years and I STILL can't watch this without my heart breaking! RIP Challenger Crew!! You are not forgotten!!

@55commodore

5 жыл бұрын

look it up... all still alive. youve been fooled. harder to prove to someone that they have been fooled than to fool them. FACT!

@drubber007

5 жыл бұрын

"it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"

@anthonyw9129

5 жыл бұрын

Watch they are alive.... kzread.info/dash/bejne/n4JlrK-NlsjHoco.html

@randysager3660

5 жыл бұрын

@Christopher Kupetz You are a moron.

@royb5014

5 жыл бұрын

Conspiracy theorists remind me why it's important for moms to not do heavy drugs during pregnancy. Also, marrying siblings doesn't help. Just look at this thread!

I was 7 when it happened, I was watching live, playing with my challenger toy model that my father had bought me on our last trip to Cape Canaveral. I just couldn't hold my tears thinking of the astronauts that passed that day... I was pretending I was one of them, that day my dreams of becoming and astronaut passed too.

@russlupky3505

2 жыл бұрын

Did your toy Challenger explode too?

@fidelcatsro6948

3 ай бұрын

did you become an astronaut after that?

I’ll never forget my teacher crying in school when it happened

@bobfitz8701

4 ай бұрын

What a big baby

@magneto44

4 ай бұрын

@@bobfitz8701 so, having empathy for victims of a disaster, unexpectedly going up in flames with the entire world watching as it happened, one of the last true global moments before the Internet that added to even more weight to the moment: that makes you baby, huh? lol they died doing the best thing humans can do, space exploration, it’s the key to humans surviving longer than the other mammals to walk this planet who went from thriving for thousands or tens of thousands of years before becoming extinct in a mere instant 🤷‍♂️

"Obviously a major malfunction" 2020 in a nutshell

@Snowowl64

4 жыл бұрын

ABS0LUTLY!!!

@Bob31415

4 жыл бұрын

2020 sucks

@Maven01

3 жыл бұрын

2020 has been crap. Space X has been awesome though this year.

@X-JAKA7

3 жыл бұрын

COVID-19

@rickhunter6513

3 жыл бұрын

CHINA

I used to work for the company that once was Morton Thiokol, the one that built the SRB rockets. My wife's family knows the engineer that raised the warning about the o-ring joints in cold weather before the flight. It appalls me that his coworkers at the time, they have long since left by the time I joined, basically shunned him like it was his fault. Typical for corporations that sometimes have managers there too proud to admit they are wrong.

@SuperPussyFinger

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, Roger Boisjoly was ridiculed for being an alarmist. In truth, he was a brilliant engineer.

@dalethelander3781

6 жыл бұрын

Isn't that legacy company responsible for the SRBs for the Space Launch System booster?

@IgnarHusky

5 жыл бұрын

BA F1 While I take your story with a grain of salt, I completely agree with your premise.. They did so probably to do a cover up. Shut down any whistleblowers before they sprout

@greg.d.c

5 жыл бұрын

That engineer, in which your wife's family was acquainted, was facing a 'phenomenon', for lack of a better term, called a "groupthink", a group of people acting on a decision without question or challenge. Groupthinks can be very disastrous, and its size is virtually unlimited. If the group is saying "launch now, launch now, launch now!", and this engineer is saying, "wait a minute!, we can't launch", the group would remove him from the situation and proceed with the launch. As a result the danger comes from the group not heeding the warning, which led to the disaster. There are plenty of examples of a groupthink disaster, but i think it's important for people to be aware of the potential of groupthinks and try to not be discouraged from confronting them.

@pjimmbojimmbo1990

5 жыл бұрын

Management by committee has really taken hold in the Corporate World. I guess the incompetents think that in a group, no one person can be blamed, and it is too complicated/expensive to hold the entire committee accountable.

I was there that day it happened. I remember being terrified and asking my grandma, "where are their parachutes?" Ronald McNair, the mission specialist, spoke at our school in Jacksonville FL, a few months beforw his training started. I got to meet him. It was such a shame to see these men and women die but they did it for a greater cause.

@longhairwhocares

3 жыл бұрын

What 's the greater cause?

@ObnosisJones

3 жыл бұрын

@@longhairwhocares I feel sorry for you. To really not know that the exploration of the universe to increase human knowledge and understanding is the greatest cause that we could aspire to.

@danielgregory3295

3 жыл бұрын

@@longhairwhocares "Space exploration is worth the risk of life"....(Gus Grissom)😢🇺🇸🇺🇸

@TexPI-cs7gv

3 жыл бұрын

@@ObnosisJones Still different from knowingly and willingly sending a crew to their death. Manslaughter charges against NASA admins should have been a minimum in the aftermath.

@ObnosisJones

3 жыл бұрын

@@TexPI-cs7gv I do not disagree. The decision to launch after the warnings of dire consequences due to the low temperatures was criminal and cowardly.

The horizontal wind shear is unbelievably apparent in the couple minutes after breakup. Huge clear air turbulence day, adding insult to injury.

@thenasadude6878

3 жыл бұрын

@Rick O'Shay it's made evident by the shuttle smoke trail left by the solid rocket boosters... You can see that the smoke trail does not move at once, but becomes more and more distorted as time passes. That's because of the various winds at different altitudes.

@MrChrisalf2004

3 жыл бұрын

Disaster had nothing to do with wind though. It was the O ring in the booster giving way under heat.

@ZmannR2

3 жыл бұрын

Wind had nothing to do with it

@harrisonkarn2078

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrChrisalf2004 the O rings didn’t fail from heat, the cold make the O rings brittle and the sudden temperature change made them fail.

@IronHexacyanoferrate

3 жыл бұрын

@@harrisonkarn2078 pretty sure he meant that you could see the variations in wind from the smoke trails, showing how far they went, and they didn’t make it...

I was 10 years old and watching this live , with my class at school. I remember this very well, everyone was in shock.

@milfordcivic6755

5 жыл бұрын

Me too. I remember the teachers suddenly turning the TV off and sending us all back to class

Saw it from a loading dock in Pinellas Park, FL. It was mortifying. Went to make my deliveries and the vapor trail was still present in the sky. I was proceeding with my daily routine while consciously thinking, "Seven people just died up there!" It was mortifying.

Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson said every disaster movie begins with a scientist being ignored. This wasn't a movie but the warning about the O rings were ignored.

@YouSimon1000

6 күн бұрын

Imagine being the official who overruled the Morton-Thiokol recommendation not to launch that day.

Shuttle lifts off: Shuttle explodes: 30 seconds later: 1 minute later: It has appeared that the vehicle has exploded

@alanwatts8239

3 жыл бұрын

No one wanted to believe their eyes.

@WayPastCrazy2525

3 жыл бұрын

I'm quite certain the broadcaster was in disbelief and had to compose himself before continuing.

@drpickledude

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah like the three before me said. The team at NASA hopes the best for those in the chaos of explosions and fire. As well as any radio connections could still be accessed up until the other end couldnt respond

@campFTW

3 жыл бұрын

You have missed the word *Obviously* 😞

@jimmorrison4163

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. You better be damn sure you know what you’re saying when you say that.

My mother was pregnant with me when this happened, and she almost named me Christa after the Challenger teacher. ❤

@ns7353

4 жыл бұрын

Joy'sCurls how do you know if you were in her womb?

@TheTjoy910

4 жыл бұрын

@@ns7353 we've had conversations about it, obviously.

@deleteduser1603

4 жыл бұрын

@@ns7353 are you dumb

@TanzaniteHayley

4 жыл бұрын

My mum was pregnant with me too, I was born in June 1986. Chernobyl was the same year. What a terrible year.

@TheTjoy910

4 жыл бұрын

@@TanzaniteHayley well, we came into this world that year and that is a good and beautiful thing. I'm glad to be born an '86 baby. God bless all the struggles of 1986. It was a rough one for a lot of people.

I remember sitting in my 2nd grade classroom and my teacher turned on the tv so we could watch. Such a sad day.

@scottyk_cdvi5650

5 жыл бұрын

bruce lee same here... 2nd grade and i remember the teachers started bawling and all of us kids had ZERO clue on what was going on

@rw4022

5 жыл бұрын

bruce lee I was in the fifth grade. I remember all the teachers crying.

@Iam-BruceLee

5 жыл бұрын

scotty TIEPILOT57 exactly. We (students) had no clue what was happening. I just remember my teacher acting very strange.

@dlynn101

5 жыл бұрын

9th grade

@lostpockets2227

5 жыл бұрын

shut the Heck up bruce lee

One of those "where were you" moments in time. I was a new airman at Vandenberg AFB, CA...walkdown the hall of our Accounting and Finance office and passed a lady who said "Did you hear the Challenger exploded?". Will never forget. The shuttle was supposed to launch from Vandenberg in the next year or two but after this they scrapped that.

@Tlee521

3 ай бұрын

I was watching it live on TV in Jacksonville Florida.

At 1:21 you hear “Challenger going with throttle up” then what sounds like the small part of the explosion the mic picked up before it was destroyed….haunting.

Still sends shivers down my spine here in UK to this day, when i hear that phrase "go at throttle up".

@ronthatus

7 жыл бұрын

Urko2005 just like it was yesterday

@trimel81

7 жыл бұрын

were their bodies ever recovered?

@ronthatus

7 жыл бұрын

trimel81 yes I believe a few weeks to month later but I could be wrong. There was a theory also that they maybe survived the initial explosion but died on impact with the ocean or lost consciousness

@speedbird737

7 жыл бұрын

there was evidence they survived the explosion not a theory

@ronthatus

7 жыл бұрын

Nigel Harrison you're right

The autopsies said that some, or all, of the astronauts survived the explosion but died due to either the traumatic forces on them as they spiralled downward or on impact. I never realized just how long such a terrible, psychologically traumatizing end it was for them. Very sad. Just as with JFK's assassination (I was in first grade) and Oswald's live on TV killing, I'll always remember precisely where I was and what I was doing when this happened.

@Ivan_Berni

10 ай бұрын

Autopsies just suggests things, and take in consideration that no one is an expert on this scenario, some of them may have survived the blast due of the shielding below them, but is pretty obvious that st that speed, with all the forces applied they loose consiousness inmediately and died the way down, if they even survived the explotion of course, i do not think they suffered pain.

The luckiest person that day was the reserve teacher.

@paulcarson7860

3 жыл бұрын

Incredibly she applied to be an astronaut and then rode the shuttle years later. Now that’s courage.

@jkvs4448

3 жыл бұрын

Barbara Morgan

@riquelmeone

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't call her lucky, she made a lot of friends who she saw dying.

@jamesgriffin8624

3 жыл бұрын

I had a most memorable teacher in high school that was a finalist for the program. Charles Sposato.. I was in fourth grade, staring at the rolling 32" tv set sitting crossed legged. Sad day... sad memories.

@squares4u

3 жыл бұрын

Survivor’s guilt... reminds me of the people who were booked on the 9/11 flights, but didn’t board the plane for whatever reason.

I remember watching this live in grade school in the cafeteria. One minute we were all standing up celebrating with our eyes glued to the TV then the next minute we sat there in complete silence. Teachers were crying. Its one of those things that you can't get over. My heart broke for all and their families. RIP 🙏

A new vision! Sad day! Rest In Peace, Challenger crew. We never forget!

@johnbrown9092

7 жыл бұрын

Horrendous

@proudtruther9586

7 жыл бұрын

They are all still alive !!! It was a government HOAX !!! Search Challenger HOAX !!!

@rareform6747

7 жыл бұрын

Another pitiful Libral ass !

@allcot6219

7 жыл бұрын

Constitution,,,you are right I saw one of the astronauts yesterday at Walmart.Of course he was 60 years old but I recognized him.

@Toekneepowers

7 жыл бұрын

KZread should be split into two, one for intelligent speaking humans and the other for window lickers.

I have worked in industry for more than 40 years! NEVER allow Managers who are responsible for revenue to over ride Engineers and especially safety personnel! Just don't do it! They will almost ALWAYS make the wrong decision!

@markmace2113

5 жыл бұрын

Yep the Fatheads want to keep it going no matter what sometimes that's a good thing but this time it was not a good thing it's so sad that they would not listen it makes me want to run around screaming. And it's been so long and I remember I was at work and they had it on every TV was on the radio and there are people that knew the people that had worked on the shuttle that knew the people or should I say the family's everybody was in shock it was 1986 so things were a little different you know what I mean right still naive not like today. Well the main thing is God Bless the people that died that day God bless you guys who begged not to go through with it in cold weather

@garyclouse7234

5 жыл бұрын

@@markmace2113 they WERE warned! Yes! Terrible! Fellow Patriot, we now face a very different sort of "Manager". Much more hardened against ANY interest in their workers or even their (bosses) that being the American People. They are being dealt with so I hear. They are the SES - Senior Executive Service! A part of Government that care only for their own advancement, wealth and power! Real Time!

@dgcmusi

5 жыл бұрын

Well said

@johnduffy6992

5 жыл бұрын

your 100 percent rite.. just remember who is signing the checks! they only focus on cost..

@guillermoadcox01

5 жыл бұрын

But that's the amerikan capitalist way!!!

As terrifying as a mushroom cloud. One of those moments in time you never forget.

Back then, I lived about 16 miles due west from the Cape. My wife and I would always go outside to see a shuttle launch from our front yard. I remember that morning like it was yesterday. It was so cold and my wife even commented that she couldn't remember the last time it was that cold. As it went up, we went outside to watch and she decided to go back inside because it was so cold. It was so routine we didn't think anything could go wrong. I remember seeing that big cloud of the explosion and not knowing what had happened because I had never seen that before. After a minute of so I went back into the house and I heard the words, "the vehicle has exploded" and I just sat down in disbelief!! What a terrible day that was!!! What was especially shocking was, after a couple of minutes, and because it was so cold, we heard a big BANG that shook our house!! We didn't know what that was until I thought, we actually HEARD the explosion! It was so cold that the sound travelled better than it usually does. THAT was unforgettable too!

@rhondaeverett8284

Ай бұрын

Wow!

I worked at Boeing Aerospace who built the Inertial Upper Stage mated to the TDRS-B satellite in the cargo bay. Many of us in Engineering had previously worked on the IUS program. A couple years earlier when I was there, I met Judy Resnik when she was a Mission Specialist for the TDRS-A launch. She'd come to meet with the Operations group for training. She was a Mission Specialist for TDRS-B as well. Operations always had a live feed of the launch, and some of the guys were getting phone calls from them. Then one of the managers came over to our building to make the announcement that the Shuttle and crew had been lost. What a horrible, ugly day both professionally and personally. RIP Challenger crew.

Woah.......the guys in the helicopter must have been like.....did we just see that?....did that really just happen? The amount of footage captured on video of this tragedy is incredible, and the fact that even after 30 years, it still resonates. Great upload, Good video

@FireMinstrel

7 жыл бұрын

It was a dinky puff of smoke from that view, though. It would only be horrible in hindsight, but as it was happening, it was probably just confusing.

@theshillkiller9958

7 жыл бұрын

KZread search : "Challenger HOAX" !!!

@F3502000

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm sure it was a sinking feeling. From their point of view it was probably quite unreal. Did we really just see that happen? That and the call to return to station immediately.

@bryantrockwell4676

7 жыл бұрын

DaGingerHeadMan Thank you, I was hoping someone would point that out

@09211992ham

7 жыл бұрын

Side Thorn ...this is a hoax

This still hits like a ton of bricks. I had to watch this on repeat in third grade at school before they sent us all home. My young mind couldn't fathom that these intrepid explorers had all just perished and I was in shock. For days, I thought they maybe they had survived in the main capsule and were just waiting to be rescued. I remember the look of horror on my teachers face the discussion amongst them being terse and tearful. The day the first of our ships leaves space dock, of it doesn't bear the name "Enterprise" it had better say "Challenger".

@CanIbeFrank

3 жыл бұрын

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@illcommunications415

3 жыл бұрын

@@CanIbeFrank sheer idiocy

@sheev9852

3 жыл бұрын

@@CanIbeFrank reported it as spam for ya

@sheev9852

3 жыл бұрын

@Andy Jonnson stop chatting shit about something you know nothing about

@sheev9852

3 жыл бұрын

@Andy Jonnson you do realise that they actually read the comments before they take action you dipshit, although I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know that due to your lack of brain cells

I lived in New Hampshire (where Christa lived) at the time and knew one of her fellow teachers. This was and still is heartbreaking. God bless the crew and their families.

Thanks for uploading this - it shows you roughly what people would have seen on the ground, and why the crowd reaction was so low key. You really can't tell what happened at first, as the fireball wasn't even visible. Most people probably assumed that the boosters separated early.

that silence is deafening

First time I've seen the helicopter view and it puts it into better perspective. I was 7 years old and out of school that day in Jan 1986 (seems like yesterday though) and I remember dad and I was watching it live on TV as I played with toys in the living room floor and I recall dad saying something like "it just exploded" before the news even said it but I didn't really grasp what was happening because so much on TV was not live but I knew by dad's reaction it was bad.

As horrific as this was when I watched it on live TV, I still give this a thumbs up, as I think it's important for the new generations to see what sacrifices were made to advance our race into the future, without the truth being warped into some hidden agenda version. RIP.

@akshitsharma6205

3 жыл бұрын

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@ighfee

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, that's a good point. They make space look routine, it is anything but. Every flight can end in disaster. And future generations should know about all of the mistakes and accidents it took to get it right.

If NASA had once again rescheduled the launch because it was too cold that day these seven people would still be alive to this day .

@larjkok1184

5 жыл бұрын

Annette Melnychuk You don’t know that. Who could say what would have happened since that day to those people.

@colbalt95

5 жыл бұрын

Most likely the same result. The engineers warned them about the O-rings susceptibility to Frozen temperatures and when gaskets freeze like that they lose their ability to retain gases or liquids.

@annetteslife

5 жыл бұрын

@@larjkok1184 sorry for the late reply but you are right

@annetteslife

5 жыл бұрын

@@colbalt95 I guess you are right. I don't know anything about space launches and space vehicles

@annetteslife

5 жыл бұрын

@@colbalt95 i.watcbed the documentary about the Challenger disaster

33 years on and still one of the saddest things to happen, still gives me a lump in my throat every time i watch this.

@MoosicandCritters

5 жыл бұрын

Me too 😢

@1allanbmw

5 жыл бұрын

Right back at ya brother! Still remember that morning clear as if it was yesterday just before going to work, how I felt... all of it. I can hardly bear to see it. And we're just now, all these years later beginning to hear they survived the blast and were alive all the way back down. Yet another shock in the wake of it all.

@gdesiletsfilms

5 жыл бұрын

33 degrees of freemasonry

@alphonsozorro7952

5 жыл бұрын

Mawkish.

I remember watching this live at school when I was 13, I'll never forget it.

Even through the lens of a helicopter, the disaster is still just as terrifying

R.I.P with respect

@foadrightnow5725

7 жыл бұрын

They aren't dead. 6 of the 7 crew members are alive today.Google it yourself.

@mewtech6987

7 жыл бұрын

were not wearing a tin foil hat

@b-retrogamer2925

7 жыл бұрын

MEW Tech their not resting, their dead

@mewtech6987

7 жыл бұрын

They are resting in peace

@RyanInLA

7 жыл бұрын

if death is anything like resting then I can't wait.

I've never seen this footage.

@melaniedeal3518

6 жыл бұрын

LanceCampeau since we have social media people are now uploading home video footages of the challenger

@southtxxbox

6 жыл бұрын

So true. There must be so much media out there yet to be seen. The same can be said for 9/11. I've to see any media from any security camera from that morning.

@melaniedeal3518

6 жыл бұрын

southtxxbox kzread.info/dash/bejne/gniKsJlxmMfXhM4.html here's another home video footage of challenger exploding

@melaniedeal3518

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/aGVmm5p8YJyoftY.html here's another amateur video footage

@shivakumar499

6 жыл бұрын

Must have made some serious bucks outta this video

I can't believe this was almost 40 years ago. I was 12yrs old sitting in class in the 6th grade in the middle of a math session when we heard the news. Now even at 47. It still shakes me up!

January 1986. I was driving a delivery van and somebody said "the shuttle blew up". This had never happened before. 20 or 30 previous missions had gone off beautifully. It was quite a shock.

1:17 very sad. You can even hear the explosion over the radio....

@blue9multimediagroup

3 жыл бұрын

* 1:24

@Christianvalentinbooks

3 ай бұрын

Wow yes

I don't know if I should give this video a "thumbs up." I've never seen it from this angle, but it gets sadder everytime I see it.

@godanm

5 жыл бұрын

I feel exactly the same.

@kinsfather057

5 жыл бұрын

Only free masons are allowed in space. This was intentional. To keep the secret of the firmament.

@frankevega

5 жыл бұрын

Same here I didn't want to thumbs up but I did to confirm I seen it

@111ShockWave

5 жыл бұрын

Wake up they're still alive. Look it up. They were never in the shuttle.

@timhall5003

5 жыл бұрын

@@111ShockWave Truth, love, light and waking up the sheeple. All 1. Namaste

After so many years, it still hurts to watch. 😕

I had never seen this footage. Many sincere thanks for posting it. MC

Wow, this is hard to watch. Just as hard to watch as it was to watch 31 years ago.

@mewtech6987

7 жыл бұрын

it is

@b-retrogamer2925

7 жыл бұрын

Dan Tyler really? hard to watch? grow a pair

@dantyler6907

7 жыл бұрын

B-Retro Gamer When did you suffer the brain problem? Are you getting the help you need? Remember, just relax... No need to hurt others.

@b-retrogamer2925

7 жыл бұрын

Dan Tyler im getting help. thank you

@dantyler6907

7 жыл бұрын

B-Retro Gamer Sounds good

My god, how horrifying & sad. I remember when this happened.

@lostpockets2227

5 жыл бұрын

u were alive then ur hecka old i think

@justinkennedy2128

5 жыл бұрын

They survived , look into it . I dare you .

@joseesparza7488

5 жыл бұрын

I remember this too. I was sick at home at the time and I was 8 years old. Terrible. I just found out only a few months ago they we’re alive when the crew compartment was falling to earth undamaged. They probably suffered all the way down until the impact liquefied them.

@HairyBottom

5 жыл бұрын

j t I remember watching it on TV.

@F.Krueger-cs4vk

5 жыл бұрын

@@lostpockets2227 ur hecka young, 😅🤣😂

NASA at many levels had talked themselves into a situation where they believed that the chances of an accident were 1 in 100,000 ! It took the wonderful Mr Feynman, the famous cup of iced water, and the investigation committee to expose the truth. Alas that is how lessons are learned and tech moves forward.

@CanIbeFrank

3 жыл бұрын

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@CanIbeFrank

3 жыл бұрын

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Horrifying. Thanks for uploading.

I think it's hilarious how people think this is fake and that we've never been to space. People who believe we've never been space and who think the Earth is flat have the same brains as the people eating Tide Pods.

@richc8253

6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely jt. A generation of idiots.

@spiderboy4880

6 жыл бұрын

Not true. The tide pod people are much smarter.

@andrewpotter2285

6 жыл бұрын

Go watch some more tv kzread.info/dash/bejne/a5tmrqWBorCegdI.html

@jtro3452

6 жыл бұрын

Andrew Potter don't watch a lot of tv, thank you very much.

@spiderboy4880

6 жыл бұрын

My neighbor was a teacher when they had the teacher in space program for this flight. He was in the running to be on the challenger for this flight. Has all kinds of certificates and memorabilia from the contest. That's one time you were lucky to lose out to someone else.

I remember that day like it was this morning... so incredibly sad.

I still remember that day. My boys were in a wrestling tournament that day when they announced over the PA that the shuttle exploded and everyone on board was lost. The tournament stopped and We all had a moment of silence

First time I’m seeing this, 38 years to the day. The NYC Dept of Education canceled all schools that day, my elementary school was in stunned silence.

I watched this in my living room....I remember those poor parents faces watching it and wondering what happened. It was so sad.

@CanIbeFrank

3 жыл бұрын

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"Challenger, go at throttle up". I will never forget those words.

I pulled out onto Daytona Beach that day to watch my first launch from the coast (I lived in Orlando.) Throughout the day, I was plagued by the fact that I had just watched 7 people die right in front of me. Godspeed Challenger!

That long silent from the controls really tells u how anxious and unbelievably sadden of what just happened 😢

I like to think wherever the crew is now, they are content with us not forgetting them. That we still remember - Americans & the world - still keeps them in our hearts even in 2019 💖💖💖😭

I am equally sad and pissed off whenever I watch or think about the Challenger.

@peacethroughstrength172

4 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way, what a negligent thing to do that morning in freezing temps!! Semper Fidelis

The people who built it said dont launch. Too cold.

@DexterHaven

Ай бұрын

Yeah, those rubber O-rings holding the jet fuel in loose elasticity to form a good seal in the cold weather. The launch temperature was 35F in Florida that morning. The top brass at NASA was too cocky and concerned with public relations to keep the launch date they had set.

@Johnpalmer-eq7yq

Ай бұрын

Traded what reagen dud for other. House. Thing is same prob only worse. Turn treasury cards on for all.

@DexterHaven

Ай бұрын

@@Johnpalmer-eq7yq That makes no sense, silly. Try English.

@Johnpalmer-eq7yq

Ай бұрын

All academy. Checks turned on 911. There being cashed computers kids bosses. Weren't trained to look at tge food water air. Fish and game dead birds. They want us dead over a check they never earned the planets dying because they never learned to run what we did the. Kids are following them over. Small pay while the planets dying

@Orlando_Steve

Ай бұрын

@@Johnpalmer-eq7yq Drugs are bad.

On a cold winter's morning a booster rocket engine seal failed when management refused to listen to engineers.

Still heart-breaking after all of these years. I remember exactly where I was and exactly what I was doing when I heard the news...

"challenger go with throttle up." "roger go with throttle up" *ckkckk* big smoke

@hunterrice3484

5 жыл бұрын

Nasa stands for need another seven astronauts for a reason

@ronister343

5 жыл бұрын

@@hunterrice3484 not cool

@snepNL

5 жыл бұрын

2number 9s. A numbers 4 .....

@itsumonihon

5 жыл бұрын

@Paul Hupperdine do not post bullshit. the nonsense you have put up is not real and was created by a tabloid. it is a major disservice to the people who died on this flight. erase that SHIT.

@deannelson9565

5 жыл бұрын

@@itsumonihon Well true other then Rick did say oh no. And there is no doubt they were alive and conscious after the separation of the vehicle and we're likely alive and conscious at impact.

Another heartbreaking moment in our lives is embedded in us forever. It still makes me cry today. 😢

Still gives chills down my spine again and again years after years, never seen this angle before. RIP.

Watched it Live. Was a sobering moment.

@rakeshmehra6321

5 жыл бұрын

😖

@ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588

5 жыл бұрын

@@JCarnine9 why do you feel the need to make a reply if all you are going to say is "OK"

@SuperBoomshack

5 жыл бұрын

@@ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588 ok

@ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588

5 жыл бұрын

no u

@SuperBoomshack

5 жыл бұрын

@@ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588 okay

I had forgotten that it was going up that day. When I came in and asked my sister what happened, she was so casual in her answer that I thought she was joking. As I watched it was obvious that she wasn’t. I cried later for people I didn’t even know.

The part that haunts me the most is the report that the crew likely survived the explosion and died when the cockpit impacted the surface of the ocean 😢

He was so calm when he stated twice that "the vehicle has exploded."

Watched it as it happened in my 8th grade Science Class. Dead silence for about 15 minutes.

I was in 5th hour English my sophomore of HS when this happened, principal came over the speaker and told everyone the bad news. RIP to all those people!!

@danielthompson6448

5 жыл бұрын

@@lucienberl The point being?

Oh wow, footage I've never seen before , , this happened 1 day before my birthday back in '86 , I was 22 at the time , r.i.p. to that brave crew❤

RIP challenger crew. And never saw this footage. Good thing it was discovered and to do more investigative

I remember being in my 5th grade class and we were all watching and how exciting it was to see a school teacher go up into space; then the explosion. We were all very sad, even some crying. We just didn’t understand. They cancelled school for the rest of the day shortly after that. RIP, Challenger crew!

all the information points to the fact that the crew was alive until their module impacted the water-terrifying. what they must have felt.

@me5724

4 жыл бұрын

That’s what I’ve been seeing going back and researching this for the past 2 weeks.... some of them actually survived the explosion until it hit the water smh... wow! Imagine being conscious and aware during and right after it exploded.... then falling to the water and you die by the impact of the water smfh.... the shit going through your head while your aware of what has happened is unimaginable

I was 9yrs old when me and my Mother was outside watching the Launch, I remember my Mother say this doesn't look right something is wrong. About 20 seconds later a man drove and then stopped and said that the shuttle had exploded..... Always will remember this......

@ledbowman

3 ай бұрын

we don't care

For those of us who were alive at the time, I remember being at work that when one of the guys I worked with came in at lunch time & announced that the Challenger had exploded on take off. All of us started calling bullshit, but he said he wasn't kidding, that he watched it on the tv at the place he'd bought lunch. We didn't have a tv at work, someone went & turned on a radio & sure enough...