The 19th wife is a great source of information as well. B.Y had so many wives that he once was in town and introduced himself to a lady whom he had forgotten was actually already one of his wives. Imagine the look on his face and the recover from that.

@kkheflin3

4 жыл бұрын

@Amber Sanford! Priceless!

@gamyrw

4 жыл бұрын

Hadn’t heard this one before! Classic!

@longnamenocansayy

4 жыл бұрын

mark twain did a little parody on that in the book roughing it. i didn't know it actually happened. rofl rofl

@markservice8735

4 жыл бұрын

I cackled when I read what you wrote. Do you have a source?

@gamemakerdude

4 жыл бұрын

Pimp Daddy Brigham 😂

My husband and I just left the Mormon church and your videos, including this one have really solidified my choice and helped me to be sure that I had made the right one. Thank you!

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

I hope you haven't given up on God altogether! The Mormon god is false but the real God is not! Glad to hear that you left the LDS church but praying that you will find Jesus!

@harleylamay1306

5 жыл бұрын

It's Me Jessie absolutely not! My relationship with God is honestly stronger than ever! Daily Bible study and so much prayer has made a huge difference! Also, really enjoyed your Good Friday video yesterday! ❤️

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

@@harleylamay1306 Oh, praise the Lord!!! 💕

@toknowthislove528

5 жыл бұрын

Praise the Lord!!!

@louise0735

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/f4iD17FpdJTgmaQ.html

I am Lakota and a ex Mormon.What Kimball said about Native Americans turned me away.I am a Christian and what you said is true.

@GarySaint-xm6tr

9 ай бұрын

Dude I answered the DNA queation and they deleted it. They dont want the truth. You are trusting them though

@boop79

9 ай бұрын

🩵

@TheSchmuel

6 ай бұрын

You are now a True Warrior! A Lakota Warrior for the one True God

@dingledingle6896

6 ай бұрын

What did he say?

@koltoncrane3099

3 ай бұрын

Idk if Native Americans are descendants from Israel or not. I don’t care but logically thinking it’s like why would native Americans use a land bridge or ice bridge? 10000 years ago the ocean literally was 400 feet down. Massive sites like Easter island you could the visit massive sites now under water. Or some say the Olmecs are Chinese which explain the flatter face as the Chinese fled their homeland to avoid genocide. It’d be possible for Chinese to travel by boat coming and going to Mexico. Watch the movie kontiki. A guy builds a raft and sails from Latin America to Polynesia

Jessie, I was born LDS and for years struggled with it. After 40 plus years I decided to leave it but it has such a grip on that you feel guilty for leaving. Your videos calm me down and make me understand I made the right decision. I sincerely like how honest you are about how you feel about the church and how easy you make it for people to understand they are a cult. Thank you!

@deskjockie4948

5 жыл бұрын

Ex-Mo for five years, it is very interesting to be able to look at the Mormon church from the outside. I can't believe how deluded I was.

@christiankaiser4471

5 жыл бұрын

Christ is freedom. Guilt is demonic. When you embrace the true God, Jesus Christ then guilt and fear and shame flee from you ✝️ God bless you.

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

hey brother Dan, you left the church too early! Have you heard about the plausible discoveries of Nahom and Bountiful from the Book of Mormon? Have you heard about all of the chiasmus in the BofM? Or how about the ocean drift rates between old and new worlds that line up PERFECTLY with the Jaredites journey from the Book of Ether? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

@yaruqadishi8326

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ether-pb5gb there is no chiasmus in the bom thats a false theory moronists make up. It's horrid anachronistic things it's crappy Christian corrupted you points have nothing to do with the past it's LACMA nursing about Jews of the biblical texts it is already apparent it's pretty Masonic satanic usages its Corruption of the New Testament and contradictions they're so great a man contradictions within itself excetera excetera excetera it's Smith put himself into the text to which makes it laughably hilariously proven is a fraud like himself

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

@@yaruqadishi8326 no chiasmus? I didn't realize that you dropped out of 6th grade.

Not an ex-Mormon, but I’m an ex-Jehovah’s Witness and they teach some crazy ass shit too

@dreamsenvoy

3 жыл бұрын

One of the things that JW&LDS have in common besides being from a nineteenth century spiritual seeker movement,Just like Mormon culture it has a strong history of shunning. I suppose the religious freedoms were the original cancel culture. Touché

@No_One_infinity

3 жыл бұрын

@Kyree Grey you people know that hacking is illegal right? And this has nothing to do with the video y advertise something illegal rather if you feel your gf is not being honest rather than being sneaky n shady y not just ask her if she's comfortable with sharing her info with you and if not n you still have trust issues maybe get some professional help or just breakup/be friends rather than going down dark paths

@dreamsenvoy

3 жыл бұрын

@OTTO OCTAVIOUS yea that has worked so well🙄 Well mainly for the Arrogant old white heterosexual men at the top of a man made pyramid. All reactionary, dogmatic, inhuman, discompassionate jerks claiming to be a follower of Christ are definitely rationalizing sociological shunning over Common sense and Love. But then again what would I know about a story that has been rewritten and retold almost endlessly for the past two millenniums to placate bigots and sway the unthinking mouth breathing populous Whatever you need to justify your inhumanity as humane to

@jamesmorgan2064

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you have the true gospel.

@coppersky

3 жыл бұрын

I’m ex-lds & love studying all these weird cults. They’re entertaining af.

I remember my mom and dad sitting all of us down and reading this crap to us. Anytime they would come across something that didn’t make sense they would say “that proves the church is true“. I’d like to thank her for that because that is why I am no longer a Mormon. When you see other people learn of things like this and just keep trucking along in ignorance, it forces you awake.

@utahsmurfet6643

2 жыл бұрын

Just believe because they want you brainwashed too cult. Stamp out doubt is common in cults

@Raero3764

2 жыл бұрын

Yes . That is truth right there!

@jimmynolet3752

Жыл бұрын

i am not mormon i feel the same way when tv keeps playing evolution video's now they have trex swimming like a whale

Mormonism and Islam are so alike in many ways. Polygamy, angel with a true book from heaven, wives in heaven, salvation by works, etc, etc, etc.

@Soy_Aleluya

4 жыл бұрын

True, except Islam is monotheistic (one god) & Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion (uncoutable gods)

@johntaylor6319

4 жыл бұрын

Both are derived from the Abrahamic Covenant plus 11 other nations yet to be revealed.

@Bryancm2792

4 жыл бұрын

All religions are fucked up

@Adrian_C.c.

4 жыл бұрын

I am not a Muslim, though I have studied Islam, I cannot speak for Mormonism as I have not studied its theology that much, but from my understanding salvation as it is understood within christianity does not apply to Islam as within Islam there is no belief in the innate depravity of man, one achieves jannah (paradise) only through the complete submission to god, abandoning all false idols, and living in accordance with that which is halal (permitted by god). In regards to polygamy within Islam, I am not declaring any moral judgement upon it simply stating context, it is a result of the polygamy of pre-islamic arabia, and in fact limited the polygamy of its time. Islam would not state that an angel gave Muhammad a true book from heaven, but that the angel Gabriel spoke the word of god to Muhammad, which he would recite for scribes to write down, through a period 23 years of revelation. The wives in not stated within the Quran, though there are mistranslations, and it regarded by muslims in a variety of ways.

@bebtboboto1200

4 жыл бұрын

You wrong

I think the CES letter is one of the primary reasons that LDS members are leaving the church in large numbers. Thank you Jeremy Runnells! His "excommunication" video is on KZread. The absolute highlight is when HE excommunicates THEM from his life! Joseph Smith, being a prophet and all, still did not foresee the damage the Internet would do to the LDS church. Mike Norton over at his NewNameNoah channel has actual filming of all of the Mormon temple rituals. Well worth watching. Thanks Jessie for bringing this letter to the forefront!

@itsmejessie

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I've seen both channels! The internet can be used for so much good! I'm thrilled it's pouring truth into LDS member's lives about their beliefs!

@kkheflin3

4 жыл бұрын

@Hale Hafa I'm curious as to what your thinking is on "I have a sure witness that this gospel is of God." Do you mean your testimony? I question this because a few years back I had a friend (not a member of any religion---she questioned all of them and thought they were all "bogus") who was approached by Muslims. They challenged her to read the Koran (Qu'ran) and pray and ask God if Islam was true after reading it. She did and she said God "absolutely" spoke to her heart that it was true and she converted. She is a very devout Muslim to this day. At one time I also had a neighbor who was a Pentecostal. (and somewhat obnoxious about it---I got tired of hearing it)! The Jehovah's Witnesses came to her house and challenged her to read the Watchtower literature and pray about whether it was God's organization on Earth. She told them she was absolutely convinced that the JW's were a "cult" and she refused to accept their literature.Her "hope" however was to convert THEM. For whatever reason they kept coming back to her house to talk (she was a very nice person) and eventually she said there was "absolutely" a convincing testimony from God telling her she needed to convert and become a Jehovah's Witness. (Then I had to hear all about her conversion experience over and over!) I was glad we moved! LOL My point is that many adherents to many different religions on this planet get a "testimony" of the truth of their beliefs and a "supernatural" knowledge that "IT " is the true church. They can't all be correct, can they? So how do you believe they "know" this???

@cowboyneverdycowboynevercr2027

4 жыл бұрын

Well, the tree of knowledge, was the first warning, to partake of the fruit was the cause of after, so as on schedule, many will stray and it's for the same reasons, but this time it's the cloud of knowledge. Ironically it just so happens to partake of the Apple iPhone or Computer. Is that a coincidence, the internet has caused this spit spurt of Athism, Flat Earthers and now those against the churches, more so, the LDS. Now able to see the second coming of Christ. There was a time when the old timers were told, we'd be able to see things at the same time over the entire earth. Wasn't possible, but they held their faith and here we are, it's possible now. They said, we'd be hearing Trumpets, are we? Trump/Pence. A bloodless brain of deception, it's what the internet is, it has so many truths, but out weighed by false notions about the truths. That money the LDS does not spend, is not for now, it's for that moment that's to come and everybody knows what that is. I would not want want that money being spent niether, it's too much of a resk, Prophet Monson took none of it, but yet made sure it's still accumulating, not for him, but for survivers. Like they said then, " don't believe everything you see on TV, "☝ that goes for the internet aswell. Every decade had its tribulations, everyone was worst than the other, Now we're experiencing not a century's tribulation nor a decade's, but a millennium 's, as on schedule, people still don't understand, we're witnessing tribulation, look at the news, or is it just fantasy?

@2HRTS1LOVE

4 жыл бұрын

@Hale Hafa Do you believe that the death of Jesus on the cross is the full and only atonement for the remission on sin? That, as Ephesians tells us, we are saved by grace, thru faith (and that not of us, but a gift of God), not works, lest anyone should boast? Do you believe, as we are told in Deuteronomy, that there is no god but God, nay not one? Or do you believe you must complete the ordinances and that you may also be a god someday? You can't have both.

@SpecOpsDoctor

4 жыл бұрын

CES letter was debunked, it’s nothing more than a lie that can’t even quote their sources right. It also changes quotes to best serve it. I feel sad for all who got tricked by it.

Great video! I grew up Mormon and then at about the age of 30 I left it. It's all thanks to my own study of the church, the CES Letter, and wonderful KZreadrs like yourself!! Thank you for all you do!

@paulplumb6360

4 жыл бұрын

If you left the church because of the CES letter, then you don't know much and you haven't studied much. I have studied both for and against books for over 50 years. This lady doesn't even know the basic doctrines of the church. Talk about the blind leading the blind - she fits the bill.

@DavidN831

4 жыл бұрын

And what is amazing is that the CES Letter is just a poorly researched exhaustive list of almost every bogus accusation leveled at the church from the past. It is like Jeremy Runnells is trying to just throw everything up on the wall to see what sticks. And the deeper you get into this letter it is just one blatant misrepresentation and fabrication after another. I am totally amazed that anyone gives it any credence at all. It is really that phony; no exaggeration. And like most of his contemporaries in the past, Jeremy Runnells is making his living promoting this work of fiction. Here is a reply to the CES Letter that goes through it point by point putonstrength.com/ces-letter/

@cowboyneverdycowboynevercr2027

4 жыл бұрын

The institution is flawless, good and righteous, restored. $100 billion, well let that accumulate until the end, when Armageddon or apocalypse happens. That's why we don't or why we just spend that money. K? The Mormon Church, the Institution, Christian institution is flawless, just a few behaviors, human behaviors, your judging because of sinners? Don't be afraid to see what it's about, nothing bad about it.

@3fearlessboys453

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Plumb Arguments for or against the church do not make it true or false. The truth is that the church / religion / god is false. There is no truth to your imaginary god or the prophets, the book of mormon, or the priesthood. Don't blind yourself to the reality of the world and life with bullshit dogma.

@allisonalexander2269

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidN831 The truth hurts

I love your channel, Jessie! I too left Mormonism to embrace the Lord Jesus and be born again. May your videos have God's blessings and reach many souls!

@theliesofthechurch2017

Жыл бұрын

Do you know where that born again thing came from? It started with the "Great Reformation.' Read about that. That idea was not taught before then.

@FAITHandLOGIC

Жыл бұрын

Now it's time for you to research Christianity and leave that cult as well.

I pray to Christ Jesus that He leads all the good people out of the LDS church ❤️

@zaboomafia

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!

@enigmaticvaran6597

2 жыл бұрын

And I pray to Cthulu that he will lead all the good people out of Christianity

@amandadangerfieldpiano

Жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ said to pray to the Father.

Grew up Mormon and gay, it was horrible and I felt isolated. I left the church and came out when I was 20. After I had served an 11 month mission, I couldn’t finish because it was so hard to be gay and constantly with another guy who I was attracted to but teach people that what I was, was evil. I have come out and I have a beautiful fiancé and I am happy. Though I still struggle with spirituality and what comes after we die. I’m still happier than I was when I was in the church or should I say Mormon cult

@shawnbradford2243

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats!

@erikmartinez6726

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, I remember leaving the church about 4 months back, and I was attending for six months, but later, God got ahold of me and told me that the LDS church is not the way to heaven. He did tell me we are saved by grace through faith, and that's all (ephesians 2:8-9) so it can be comforting to know that even though I mess up and we all do, we can still make it to heaven if we put our trust in Jesus alone for salvation.

@LeopardAppaloosa755

7 ай бұрын

So, you are a pervert and take pride in your actions that God himself has condemned in no uncertain terms in both the Old and New Testaments - way before the Church ever existed. Very sad. Were you molested by a male when you were a child? How much pornography did you consume? At what age did you start? I have a good friend that is a therapist. She said that in treating over 3000 cases over the last 20+ years she has not met one homosexual that was either 1) not molested as a child or 2) did not consume pornography. If you were molested, get help. It's out there and the damage can be reversed. If you brought this on yourself by consuming porn, get help. This is only slightly different than guys who view straight porn and find it impossible to be monogamous. Their lack of chastity and self control can be addressed in therapy. Your lack of chastity and self control can likewise be addressed. To be ok settling with the Telestial Kingdom should not be ok. You deserve better than that. Good luck overcoming your challenges.

@LeopardAppaloosa755

7 ай бұрын

@@erikmartinez6726 So everything that Peter, James and John wrote is superceded by what Paul wrote??? 🤦‍♂️ You do know that Peter, James and John were the First Presidency and that Paul was never a member of the Twelve Apostles, right? Paul was a great missionary, but his letters to various Bishops were never meant to be doctrine for the whole Church. I am sticking with what Peter, James and John wrote - that Faith without works is dead, and that we show our faith by our works.

@app0ll0nysus

5 ай бұрын

Gross

My journey out of Mormonism started when they changed the temple ceremony. If the priesthood and it's Temple rights were restored by God, why change them?

@duelcard1391

5 жыл бұрын

Cause they were touching girls stomachs

@kylebraby2357

5 жыл бұрын

You need to understand principles of truth and the practice of it- they are different. To say it’s not true because of the changes is like saying when Jesus taught more commandments and changed the old law to the new that the new is not wrong... bad logic

@jeffreysmith7542

5 жыл бұрын

because times change and conditions change. What may work best in one time may not be the best in another time. In fact many things were changed by God going from old testament times to New Testament times.

@jeffreysmith7542

5 жыл бұрын

@IYearn4HisReturn what who told me?

@jeffreysmith7542

5 жыл бұрын

@IYearn4HisReturn why is it evil?

Always meant to tell you this story, about 3 years ago while painting my house this video started playing after I finished a general conference talk, thanks algos, I didnt even finish the video but I downloaded the CES letter read it all that night and the next morning I was done with mormonism after 37 years, 2 temple marriage, full time mission, eagle scout, and blessing my first child in the church. Since that day I have never set a foot in a mormon church, but I am a happy athiest now and my family is doing so well. thanks for your video it 100% chance the course of my life by complete accident.

@blizzard2oo

6 ай бұрын

So many pages constituting the ces letter are hugely lacking in any truth whatsoever. Every person impacted negatively by the ces letter must seek after truth from credible sources. Further, everyone must follow Mor 10 : 4,5. You must ask the Holy Ghost to give you spiritual confirmation.

@Decision_Justice

4 ай бұрын

The CES letter opens up so many possibilities. I thank Jeremy so much for writing it! It has saved so many lives!

@advocate7643

Ай бұрын

@@blizzard2ooAs if the letter has negative impact

Another great video, I have an old lds book from the early 60s. Pre priesthood, called “The Church and the Negro” I’m sure the church wouldn’t want to see or even acknowledge the book nowadays...

@utahsmurfet6643

2 жыл бұрын

Hello send to her for video! May as well expose it. Racism is least of issues with LDS. Everything else

@swissstockli3754

2 жыл бұрын

In the mid 70's Morman missionaries came to my home. They were using a book to tell about LDS founding. They turned to a page where a lightning bolt came down and blackened a man's skin. This they said was why Black people could not hold the priesthood. They explained they were marked with the sin of Cain. I will NEVER forget that. I said, "Wait a minute. This is not the God I know. " Some years later I read the NAACP went after them. Followed by their "prophet " receiving divine prophecy to allow them into the priesthood. They stopped polygamy when the US president said they would come in and shut them down. Just like the sin of Cain, the prophet at the time received a divine message to end polygamy. End of polygamy came before the end of the sin of Cain. There are so many other things to point out. I know it must be very difficult to be brought up believing this made up religion. There are good religions with bad people and bad religions with good people. When you can't ask questions that's a big red flag. Seek the faith that brings you closest to Christ.

I enjoy seeing all the posts from ex-mormons. I’ve been studying to book of mormon and comparing it to the Bible. This video and the CES letters have saved me so much time

@tracytomlinson2888

2 жыл бұрын

The Bible doesn't prove the accuracy of the BOM because it supersedes the Bible in knowledge about salvation. Your comparison therefore was a futile attempt to find the truth, if that was actually your purpose. Your comment above looks more like a cheap attempt to state that the Bible is the fulness of the gospel, which is what Protestant believe. I think your just a lying Protestant trying to convince us that your were a Mormon.

@koltoncrane3099

3 ай бұрын

Carrow Please don’t be a hypocrite and critically judge the Book of Mormon and then just magically sssume the Bible is true. I hate that. So many leave Mormonism and yell praise Jesus im saved and then never critically study the Bible: It’s like Moses was commanded to commit genocide against Canaan. Abraham and jacob etc practiced polygamy. Magic happens and Moses the magician turns stick into snake.

Good luck at the born again Christian thing. I went through all that in my 20s had took another 20 years of heartfelt investigation to be able to finally discard all Middle Eastern based religions. Now I'm peacefully and happily agnostic

@ohthelot7904

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck to you on the agnostic thing. I spent 20 years as an agnostic until I happily and peacefully became LDS.

@abi1021

2 жыл бұрын

Good for you coming around to common sense

Ferguson was the reason I left 6 years ago. See the Bible as a guide to life and not a religion. The Bible is all you need and through it you will know Jesus and who he really is. Faith is personal. Establish your own relationship with God. The Jesus in the BOM is not the Jesus of the Bible.

@ebear6555

3 жыл бұрын

Well Said!

@paulgregersen3570

3 жыл бұрын

@@ebear6555 No, a delusion cannot be well said. The thing is a proven deception. Anti Mormons are delusionalists using trickery .

@srilankangenie

2 жыл бұрын

The CES letter has no invitation to search for Jesus in the Bible or gain a testimony of him by Prayer. Instead it’s leading the reader to abandon faith and make the search for God illogical. Christians that followed Jesus shared the Gospel with love for both the Jew and Gentile. Brother Runnels insults and counter on his blog are not Christ like in any form. Christians propogating this are doing more harm to the faith based community than good

I left the church as a teenager because I couldn't make sense of anything. I was gaslit and abused because of it, and yet here we are, with others who came to the truth.

@TheShodan92

Жыл бұрын

Good on you. If you've been gaslit and abused for leaving then you can assure yourself you've done the right thing. I only hope you still believe in God and hopefully Jesus. I left the church about 8 years ago and no regrets whatsoever. Mormonism has alot of good stuff but it ain't the one and only true church. They struggle to provide simple answers to very pertinent questions and their historical truth claims are a major problem for them. Many many more will leave and their dogmatism will not go down well for them.

@samlewis4195

10 ай бұрын

I stopped going when I was about 17. I don't recall the last time I went (I'm 37 now). Luckily I wasn't abused or anything like that, but something had definitely happened to my older sister and I don't know what. She was all about the church until she was about 24-25. Then she stopped going, and lived a normal life. Anytime the church would get brought up in conversation she would change the topic and visually be uncomfortable. Unfortunately my sister passed recently due to cancer, but one of the things she told her husband was that she didn't want the church doing anything at her grave or funeral or anything. I'm going down the rabbit hole now, as I hadn't really thought of anything church related and I'm getting more and more angry at myself and my family who brought me into that life for being so susceptible to these blatant made up things. I'm hoping to find some kind of peace in this educational journey because I never found peace in that church. I'm very sorry to hear that you were abused, and I hope if you haven't already that you find your peace.

Easily found online (there are several several PDF versions), “The CES Letter” by Jeremy Runnells poses a lot of questions regarding contradictory information regarding Mormon doctrines and the Book of Mormon.

@ConnorSmith-lh7uw

4 жыл бұрын

Also easily found online, "A Faithful Reply to the CES Letter by a Former CES Employee," by Jim Bennett. It answers every question that Jeremy Runnells asks. canonizer.com/files/reply.pdf

@yaruqadishi8326

3 жыл бұрын

@@ConnorSmith-lh7uw no it doesn't answer it's a start with false conclusions and make stuff up so no way that incorrect but it's all so laughably wrong so no and I thought he did blong more on his some this video does too so did you actually watch the video or are you just scared

I found christianity after over 40 yrs of Mormonism. I have never been more at peace in knowing Jesus Christ.

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

Praise God!

@fayelewis5476

5 жыл бұрын

@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 Those who seek, find. You just need an open mind and a humble heart.

@fayelewis5476

5 жыл бұрын

@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 I have nothing to offer you. I am a mere mortal. A sinful, fallen creature. God offers you everlasting life as a free gift. No strings attached. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. The fact that you will die someday shows that you have sinned. God made a way past death. Jesus Christ abolished death. 2 Timothy 1:10 but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, The true and living God who created you wants you to have everlasting joy. He created you to have a love relationship with Him. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and with all thine soul and with all thy mind." The greatest thing in life is to know God. Jeremiah 9:23 Thus says the Lord, “Let not a wise man boast of his wisdom, and let not the mighty man boast of his might, let not a rich man boast of his riches; 24 but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord who exercises loving kindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things,” declares the Lord. John !7:3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Unfortunately, your sins separate you from a infinitely holy God. Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear. Worse still, there is nothing you can do to merit everlasting life. You cannot bribe God. Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. The good news, the gospel, is that God is rich in mercy. God made a way for you to be reconciled to God, by the death of His Son. Jesus Christ, who was God in the flesh, humbled himself, shed his blood, died and rose again. He paid the penalty for all your sins when He died on the cross. All you need to do is humble yourself, repent of your sin and put your faith in what Jesus Christ has already done for you. And God will grant you the gift of everlasting life.

@choicemeatrandy6572

5 жыл бұрын

@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 That's not what your early prophets taught. Truth is very important and there's just no truth in Mormonism.

@MrArtist7777

5 жыл бұрын

Now Shay, please prove to me that the Bible, it's character and events, are true, or that they ever even happened. Prove to me that Jesus ever existed. Prove that ANYTHING you believe is true. I can recommend you to a good Tony Robbins motivational presentation that will be of as much help as what you're experiencing.

I have followed your ministry for some time! Thank you for your boldness and for speaking the truth! God Bless you!!

@Ether-pb5gb

2 жыл бұрын

Because the CES letter is SOOOO full of truth, right? Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......careful. Lots of people don't want you to watch this...kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

I had most of these questions in my mind from the age of ~10. I'm 38 now. 28 years of just accepting the answer 'it just is'. Nope, Mormonism is NOT Christian and is entirely based on lies by a greedy man who had greedy followers.

@choicemeatrandy6572

5 жыл бұрын

The LDS church is just a large corporation like Exxon or Disney masquerading as a church. When you look into how much money they've spent on vanity projects you'll be shocked

@jt2481

3 жыл бұрын

@@choicemeatrandy6572 oh like what lol I wonder if you are talking bout the mall? Which helped save the economy and didn’t come from tithes?

@choicemeatrandy6572

3 жыл бұрын

@@jt2481 What percentage of those tithes go into helping people and not aforementioned vanity projects/buying apple stock?

@jt2481

3 жыл бұрын

@@choicemeatrandy6572 it would help if you listed what are the vanity projects you mention. Im not sure what exactly youre bringing up.

@choicemeatrandy6572

3 жыл бұрын

@@jt2481 I'm talking about how much money the lds church pours into buying stocks or buying private farm land in comparison to what they actually give.

Thank you! I’m a believer in Christ and I’ve been looking for someone good to listen to on this topic!🌸

@dalipgupta8275

2 жыл бұрын

Studying the Church through the eyes of its defectors is like interviewing Judas to understand Jesus... Neal a Maxwell

@dalipgupta8275

2 жыл бұрын

If you wanna to know the Truth I request you to attend lds church and study by yourself slowly and gradually and truth will be manifested

@melissaamoroso2205

2 жыл бұрын

@@dalipgupta8275 I’ve been doing some studying on The Mormons and Joseph Smith!

@dalipgupta8275

2 жыл бұрын

@@melissaamoroso2205 hmmmm plz do and I'm sure you will know the real and complete truth 😊 I Investigated for almost five years then I got baptised. definitely no Way any church any organization can survive in those circumstances without divine help. There is another you tube channel saint unscripted I request plz check

@adityabobby6054

Жыл бұрын

@@melissaamoroso2205 Joseph Smith is a false prophet

Jessie - Been subscribed for some time now and I dont know how I missed this one . I have read about bits and pieces on the info in this video ,, but this is the first time ive heard it all at once .. I took alot of notes and will re-watch this many times to get more . You can plainly see that your labor is not in vain by the many comments of Mormons coming to faith in the REAL Jesus of our Holy Bible . I use all your info I have seen along with my points of fact to reveal truth to Mormons I have known for years .. God bless and keep you safe Jessie ...

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

Born into it, it took me a few decades to find the truth. Frankly, I consider myself lucky. My parents weren't devout and I wasn't "properly indoctrinated" as a child. It's culty, authoritarian and patriarchal and uses thought suppression and guilt. Not a fan.

@robertmelcher904

5 жыл бұрын

Rational guy, I can prove to you that your church is as false as a 3 dollar bill. Do you want me to prove it to all our readers?

@utah133

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertmelcher904 I'm perfectly aware that Mormonism and all religions are false. They are simply myth and superstitions that people still believe. What did I say that led you to think I have a religion??

@robertmelcher904

4 жыл бұрын

@@utah133 if you are an atheist, i invite you to refute a syllogism titled BOOK OF MORMON DEBUNKS ATHEISM. Do you accept my invitation?

@kkheflin3

4 жыл бұрын

@@utah133 Hey! Many people who leave the LDS church turn to atheism because they are so angry and feel so much betrayal for being lied to all of their lives! I was raised in the church from birth in 1954 until I left in 1992. For a long while I felt the same. Then one book changed my life. "Evidence That Demands A Verdict" by Josh McDowell. Give it a read.

@utah133

4 жыл бұрын

@@kkheflin3 I'm not mad at all. Clear, logical thinking pretty much verifies that there's probably no God and that no religion is true.

Has the Mormon church addressed the CES letter and talked about it with their members? I tried telling my family about it and they said they’re afraid to read it because of the temple question on affiliating with “anti Mormon” groups.

@Touches1111

2 жыл бұрын

Jessie is wrong do your own homework because she is not! She is incorrect about 99%. Of what she says. There is no history of wheat in pre-America because it wasn’t recorded it’s known that we don’t know how long wheat has been in America because American Indians did not make records and neither did the people before them.

@Touches1111

2 жыл бұрын

@tapir rider you are only versed in being rude. I doubt you got past 6th grade. Old world barley: ediblesouthwestcolorado.com/ancient-barley-an-old-world-grain-receives-modern-attention/

@Touches1111

2 жыл бұрын

@tapir rider www.supportingevidences.net/wheat-corn-barley-neas-and-she/

@Touches1111

2 жыл бұрын

@tapir rider what can you tell me about the falseness of this report? www.supportingevidences.net/wheat-corn-barley-neas-and-she/

@Touches1111

2 жыл бұрын

@tapir rider you have absolutely no proof that barley was not on this land just like you don’t have proof of half the stuff that happened in the Bible but you believe that don’t you?

Good video Jessie. Fun fact. Jessie was “my new name” that the Mormons gave me in the temple. I went on a Mormon mission to the Bible Belt. So I’ve heard a lot of Christians arguing points against Mormons. Kudos to u for staying out of that. When that happens Mormons just roll their eyes. What u did by sharing these highlights kept any Mormons watching instead of just rolling their eyes. God job. U also seem really knowledgeable about Mormonism. Good job doing good research. Since losing my faith I’ve become an agnostic. I can’t bring myself to believe that an all powerful being, capable of anything, made a plan that required his son to be tortured and die. And then for only a minority of his children to return to live with him. I can’t believe that a Jewish person who is an amazing human will go to hell cuz they don’t believe in Christ but a horrible person who says a prayer and “accepts Christ” goes to heaven. Sorry. If there is a god. And that’s his plan. I can’t worship that god. Ironically you’d say that god is good and all loving. But any parent who does something like this you’d also say is a horrible parent. I just can’t. If it’s bad for me to do that to my kids I can’t worship a god that does that.

@Vurbanowicz

4 ай бұрын

Some persons never hear of Christ. Others are prejudiced against Christianity because of the bad example given by Christians, and because of this "invincible prejudice" they never accept Christianity. Nevertheless, if they hold themselves to moral conduct, repent when they slip, and believe in a just God, God will take them into heaven. I was taught this in a Catholic high school in the late 1950s--and also, of course, that God prefers everyone to be Catholic though he isn't a hardass about it. Much more humane than some evangelical doctrine. I left Catholicism because of disagreements on other matters.

Indeed there is no argument at NASA regarding the starbase "Kolob" - Smith's book was clever but simply a prop for a con.

@nerdnul

5 жыл бұрын

@Mike Kebbingler Fascinating. What other things, such as Zelph, Mahanroymorryanchemorh, and Zarrahemlah, was Joe Smith capable of? They were all figments of his plump imagination.

@kkheflin3

4 жыл бұрын

@Mike Kebbingler Wow! A planet? How do you know this?

@rayma66

4 жыл бұрын

@Mike Kebbingler No, Joseph claimed in the Book of Abraham that Heavenly Father lives on a planet next to the STAR Kolob. Also, that our sun gets it's light from Kolob.

@rayma66

4 жыл бұрын

@Mike Kebbingler Agreed. He was middle-eastern, so he looked the part.

@vinster9165

4 жыл бұрын

What is kolob? A planet or sunstar?

I'm so glad I rejected the lds! I took a look into their belief system and was appalled. So much crap that they endorse. No thanks!

Was also a CES (or S&I) employee for 26 years. I'm aware of the points raised in the CES letter and completely agree with his analysis. I, too, left my employment and the church after learning of several inconsistencies in the church's claims when we were tasked to look at how to respond to criticisms against the church. Major issues were: the DNA study that determined the origin of the native American Indians; Joseph Smith's philandering which he got away with by instituting "plural marriage" but the worst part of it was his marrying the wives of other men, some of whom were faithful elders sent on missions overseas, all against the guidelines issued in D&C 132 and nowhere like the plural marriages of Old Testament prophets cited as justification for the practice; origin of the temple signs, tokens, symbols, and attire; Wilford Woodruff's explanation for the 1890 Manifesto which basically admitted the government's authority over God; and the bogus translation of the Book of Abraham; to name just a few. You only need one false claim to destroy the Church's claim of divine sanction. But to have so many makes it pretty obvious.

Hi Jessie, this was the first video of yours that I watched. I’m familiar with this and agree with you. I also have researched Mormonism. A couple of questions for you: You probably noticed the things about the Bible in the CES Letter? What Bible translation did you hold up?

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

Hi! I have a few different Bibles. My main one is NKJV. (New King James Version.) I also really enjoy ESV and NASB. My NKJV is a study Bible with commentary by Doctor David Jeremiah. I love his insight and spiritual wisdom! I actually went to his church while living in San Diego.

Good detailed list of errors in the BofM. Once you see those, it's easy to see the same type of errors in the PofGP and bible. I respect that some need to believe in something greater, but they have to turn a blind eye to an awful lot of evidence.

You seen to be sincere, Thank you

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

don't confuse sincerity with the truth. The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

Thank you for this highlight reel. Also, thank you for your message/mini-testimony at the end - that takes a lot of courage and I admire your sincerity and faith

Praise God my sister for your testimony! My you be blessed and strengthened as you boldly defend our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! I have two very close friends who are devout Mormons and will share with them the CES letters! God bless you!

You should do one on why Mormonism is racism..for those of us that are mixed..thanks

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

Already did! And more to come cause this one only scratches the surface! kzread.info/dash/bejne/oGGFt5mupqzcfrA.html

@jakubmoc7124

5 жыл бұрын

@@itsmejessie oh awesome..I missed that one..thank you!

@kkheflin3

4 жыл бұрын

"I will remark with regard to slavery, inasmuch as we believe in the Bible, inasmuch as we believe in the ordinances of God, in the Priesthood and order and decrees of God, we must believe in slavery. This colored race have been subjected to severe curses, which they have in their families and their classes and in their various capacities brought upon themselves. And until the curse is removed by Him who placed it upon them, they must suffer under its consequences; I am not authorized to remove it. I am a firm believer in slavery." (Prophet Brigham Young in the Joint Session of the Legislature, January 1852)

@kkheflin3

4 жыл бұрын

“From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel. Furthermore, your ideas, as we understand them, appear to contemplate the intermarriage of the Negro and White races, a concept which has heretofore been most repugnant to most normal-minded people from the ancient patriarchs till now. God’s rule for Israel, His Chosen People, has been endogamous. Modern Israel has been similarly directed. We are not unmindful of the fact that there is growing tendency, particularly among some educators, as it manifests itself in this area, toward the breaking down of race barriers in the matter of intermarriage between whites and blacks, but it does not have the sanction of the Church and is contrary to Church doctrine.” (LDS First Presidency (George Albert Smith), letter to Virgil H. Sponberg (critic of the anti-black ban), May 5, 1947)

@barbarawarner1442

4 жыл бұрын

@@kkheflin3 yep. That curdled my milk too. Native Americans were also called Lamanites too. Pry recall that too. Lots of intentional abuse like that.

Despite these damnable teachings. Some Mormons choose to remain Mormon for various reasons: public status, job, family ties, the culture, has Christian-like traditions, social reasons, marriage purposes, etc. And from what one man I spoke to--because he liked the idea of polygamy. He didn't care about doctrines or who Jesus was. Mormonism is a man-centered religion.

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

Tragic! 😢

@MeToo-py1tq

5 жыл бұрын

Triumphator in Christ MAGA 2020 Also FEAR, fear that what if the Mormon church is true. They’ve been taught in a very diabolical way that their church is the one true church and their leaders will not lead them astray

@renaewhalen5476

5 жыл бұрын

@@MeToo-py1tq yes, this fear is difficult to overcome, it holds my family hostage! 😢 l praise the Father and my Lord Jesus that through them l am free.

@prayingpatriot8018

5 жыл бұрын

@@MeToo-py1tq: Exactly. The BITE method.

@prayingpatriot8018

5 жыл бұрын

@@alexislane1035: Finding peace and happiness does not mean you are saved. A Muslim, Hindi, Native American or a young lady in FLDS polygamist sect can find peace and happiness too. Only Christ through His Gospel (Bible) can save you (John 14:6)

This is a really good rundown. You could edit it to show which sources you are quoting. Never doubt your own beliefs. And don't let anyone get you down

Hi Jessie, What church are you attending now?

I have my volume maxed and I can't hear you very well. Is it me or is your volume low like your mic is across the room?

My friend was a Mormon and he took me to one of their churches at one point. The preacher went up to the altar and I swear he actually said, "9/11 was a good thing!" I kid you not! He blamed it on abortionists, LGBTQ people and other minorities. I whispered to my friend that we had to go immediately cause all hell was going to break loose if we didn't. So we left. People who think that way are the reason why the world is the way it is today. It's blatant hypocrisy: Preaching love, peace and compassion and then turning around and condemning people because they don't agree with the fact that they are different. It makes me mad that I breathe the same air as these idiots

@DRT279

Жыл бұрын

We don't have alters in churches. Your comment just shows what a clown 🤡 you are.

I’ve been wondering about how to choose a Bible. What version of the Bible do you have? How did you decide?

@itsmejessie

10 ай бұрын

Well, I have several Bibles. I love the New King James Version, as it's so rich and poetic and beautifully translated into English. But it also uses terms that we don't use today such as "Thou," "Thy," etc. I also have a New American Standard Version which is arguably the closest translation to the original Hebrew and Greek. If I were to make a recommendation, I would say the NASB for the reasons that it's very true to original text and also because it eliminates the "Thy's" and the "Thou's" which is more modern and applicable to today's spoken/written English language.

Gracias, compartiré tu video. Bendiciones

I wasn't born into Mormonism but I have learned so much from your channel. Hopefully I will be able to speak to any Mormons I may meet in the future with compassion and intelligence. Thanks for all your work. Also, you so pretty. Free compliment :).

I read the CES letters and prayed to FEEL if they were true, yes.

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

@yaruqadishi8326

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ether-pb5gb more like fraudulent like your face. Your words are fraudulent. That video is flooded with shit and lies to cover to satanic Lies.

@paulgregersen3570

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ether-pb5gb Yes these videos also prove the CES letter a fraud. KZread "LDS transaction law suit part 1,2,3,4," So far thousands have came to debunk it and cannot.

@adityabobby6054

Жыл бұрын

@@paulgregersen3570 Joseph Smith is a false prophet

@adityabobby6054

Жыл бұрын

@@paulgregersen3570 the book of abraham and book of mormon are a fraud and a hoax. They are totally false. They are nonsense and full of stupidity. American are not Jewish descendants but they are native American indian who are from asia .

Jessie, where did you get your information for the average age of marriage in that time period? I'm ever self-educating on these wonderful topical points and tidbits of history. Thank you for any reply!

Hello Jessie Have you ever listened to Royal Skousens master presentations of the BoM?

Hey Jessie! This is now your second video I've watched, and I must say, they are golden. You got a new subscriber. Thanks for sharing that content, it fits very well in my life right now.

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

You make great videos on this topic. I've enjoyed watching. I can't wait to hear you go into what you believe.☺

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

She wouldn't go into what she believes. Because she knows that her beliefs and rationale could just as easily be twisted....just like she twists what Latter-day Saints believe. The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

@cc-mk2hp

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ether-pb5gb She isn't twisting. She is speaking truth. The Mormon Church is built on fraud. She has spoken about her faith .She is a Bible believer. You don't know what you are saying.

@Ether-pb5gb

2 жыл бұрын

@@cc-mk2hp I believe in the Bible too. I believe it when Jesus prays to his Father, I believe that the Father witnessed the baptism of Jesus, I believe that when Jesus was transfigured that he saw the Father, I believe that when Jesus was on the cross that he was pleading with his Father, I believe that in John 17 when Jesus is praying in Gethsemane, that he was praying to his Father. He was not praying to himself as the trinity teaches!!

Excellent summary. God bless your work.

For number 2.) What "errors" exactly?

So what do you do and say about other people’s videos just like you but about the Bible- mistakes- things that cannot be proven. Stories told by people who were not present while things were happening, etc. how do you explain away all of those points for your belief in the Bible? (Also which Bible do you use?) If you can do that for the Bible why not the Book of Mormon?

@TheIsabellakirra

5 жыл бұрын

Kyle Braby please link videos u mention.

@henrietteneuschwander219

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheIsabellakirra kzread.info/dash/bejne/d45mzamDm5ewn5c.html

@mattathiasmacabees6416

4 жыл бұрын

Spoken like a Mormon who has NEVER read the whole bible and believes what her church leaders told her. Do some research and start in genesis asking God to teach you his truth.

@Jvhh9

4 жыл бұрын

Well those are just lies because all other versions of the Bible are maaaaggggicccccc

@alessamousques7540

4 жыл бұрын

Mattathias Macabees we believe in the bible just as much as the book of mormon, I have read both and they are both the truth

I have been watching Exmolex. She grew up mormon and several family generations back original mormon. Her stories are really fascinating, however, she is now an atheist. I am so happy to know you are a born again Christian.

@irielion3748

3 жыл бұрын

Linda, I feel the opposite. Exmolex has done so well by waking up and smelling the forbidden coffee, opening her eyes to all the bullshit in fantasy religions the world over. Sadly, Jess isn't there yet, she is still clinging to something.

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

@dalipgupta8275

2 жыл бұрын

Exmolex will not only destroy your body she will also destroy your soul .. I repeat she will destroy your soul

Hey Jessie what do you think of Stephen Jones videos about the letter?

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

Would you be willing to provide a link? I can't remember if I've seen his videos or not.

@chrisdiegel8916

5 жыл бұрын

It's Me Jessie kzread.info/dash/bejne/oGtoldusd8rXfNI.html

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

@@chrisdiegel8916 Thanks, I'll check it out!

Great job from a former Mormon also born again Christian. Even in the face of all this my Mormon friends continue to cling to Mormonism. I'm afraid all the facts in the world will not change them.

Great work, Jessie! You are doing awesome work for God's Kingdom. Yah bless you always.........

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

The similarities between Joseph Smith and L. Ron Hubbard are interesting. One was a treasure hunter, liar, and convicted convict and the other was the most published science fiction author in history.

You’re so pretty I’d watch you review cat food! Joking these videos are great. You sound extremely well informed. There’s a reason there’s no theologians in Mormonism. I’ll be listening to all your videos today at work a few times haha

Don't understand, if the text for the Book of Abraham has been shown to be just a funerary text, how the Church still supports Kolob, pre-existence, etc, which are mainly derived from Abraham.

@abi1021

2 жыл бұрын

Denial. These people were all raised to believe something and if they accept that it’s all nonsense, their worlds come crashing down.

I am happy you made this video. Thank you.

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

I have family members, cousins that got suckered into the mormon cult. Thank you for your channel and knowledge. You are saving ppl.

@kkheflin3

4 жыл бұрын

Yes Jessie is so obviously full of the Holy Spirit! God is using you Jessie and I love your channel. Factual and spot on every single time. Thank you for all you are doing!

@jt2481

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you should ask your cousins about why they joined and their witness. It would be good to hear them out.

@connorjones6281

3 жыл бұрын

Nah.

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

Is the CES letter really saving people? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

@paulgregersen3570

3 жыл бұрын

He's right, the CES letter is a proven fraud. Do some research before you answer a matter blindly.

Are the resources where these facts are found noted in the letter?

@jamesclark5310

4 жыл бұрын

Read the letter, but this information can be easily found in in lds church documents, publications. It has been compiled in Gerald and Sandra's Tanner's book .

Also, how do you explain the "stick of Judah" and the "stick of Joseph" in the Bible?

@longnamenocansayy

3 жыл бұрын

the most simple explanation, you can see for yourself if you read the whole page: This is to show that the scattered remnants of the Southern kingdom (“Judah”) and Northern kingdom of Israel (“Joseph”) will be returned from exile, restored to their land, and made one nation again. it has nothing at all to do with the book of mormon.

@shawnbradford2243

3 жыл бұрын

How do you explain all the anachronisms and changes to Mormonism? It’s crazy lied about history and origin?

We need you. Glad you have picked up the gauntlet to open many eyes. Mormons can not go to anyone in the church to ask question due to ramifications.

@RowanBlake

5 жыл бұрын

not true, questions are human and welcome

@MrArtist7777

5 жыл бұрын

Not true, at all! Latter-day Saints can go to numerous people in the church to ask questions and can get any answer they need. Ultimately, the best answers come from God, himself, the source of all truth. Be honest when you write stuff.

@garrettrichards5559

5 жыл бұрын

​@@MrArtist7777 I politely disagree. When I had tough questions, my church leaders made sure to let me know I was engaging in dangerous behavior (seeking truth) and they didn't have answers to the questions I had. Also, emotions/feelings (i.e. praying to God) are not a reliable method to establish truth. Analysis of historical evidence such as court records, journals, and other primary documents reveal much more about what actually happened than praying for an answer will. For example, this is one of my questions. Why was Emma the 23rd woman to be sealed to Joseph Smith? After all, I had been raised my whole life in the church; primary, sunday school, seminary, mission. I knew so much Mormon history, right? Emma was Joseph's first and only wife, right? So I expected her to be the only one. But why was she the 23rd? My Bishop and SP said the answer wasn't pertinent to my salvation. Other members didn't even know Joseph Smith was a polygamist (polygyny and polyandry) and said I was mistaken. Praying, of course, didn't give me an answer. So I had to study the actual history. I found out about all of Joseph Smith's prior intimate encounters with women and it all made sense now. To maintain the illusion of a prophet, he needed people to think he was righteous, so the women needed to be sworn to secrecy. What a better way than creating a new ordinance called "celestial marriage," which was too "holy" for the women to talk about? Even to each other? For example, the Partridge Sisters were both married to Joseph independently of each other. Also, when Joseph got Emma to finally give in, she picked the Partridge sisters. He was "sealed" to them AGAIN at a later date because Emma didn't know about the first sealings, which he kept secret from her. So basically he used sealings as a way to amass wives and keep them silent. If it really had anything to do with love and eternal families, he would have gotten sealed to Emma first and foremost. But that's not what happened. And no one at church is going to admit to you that this is the reason. I can go on and on.

@MrArtist7777

5 жыл бұрын

@@garrettrichards5559 Thanks for your reply, Garrett. Give me the names of who told you not to research church history, I'll chew 'em out! :) Yeah, not sure why anyone would say to not research church, Bible or any history as you can learn a lot, however, being an historian myself and having thoroughly research church history, I can honestly say, there has been a tremendous amount written about church history that is not accurate, comes only from opinion and speculation or is purposefully intended to lie about our church history and characters. And some church history we just don't understand as the records are either too scant and not given enough detail. It can be difficult to find what's actually true, especially since we don't have the characters here to testify themselves. Regarding the Partridge sisters and Emma, we know from scant records that Emma was opposed to plural marriage, of any kind, when Joseph first talked about it and began to act upon it, however, we don't have any records of who was sealed to Joseph Smith nor exact dates. That may sound like a cop out but, it's true, we can speculate but, we don't know exactly who was married or sealed to Joseph Smith and when, other than Joseph and Emma's civil marriage, which we have court records of. We have journal entries and notes after the events and many of them, long after the events of temple sealings, but we have no Nauvoo temple records of Joseph Smith's marriages. We know, from personal testimony, of several of the spiritual wives of Joseph Smith, in the church vs. Fed. Gov't on plural marriage, which my own great-great grandfather, George Reynolds, represented the church at, that several of these women Joseph had been sealed and married to, in the Nauvoo temple, had sexual relations with him, all who had not been civilly married to another man or where underage (under 18). Who was sealed to Joseph when, is speculation as we just don't know. We have various records which often contradict each other or are unsubstantiated. Either way, we know that Joseph Smith taught plural marriage by way of commandment from God but have little details of how it was carried out, until the 1850's Utah period, when it became public. Likewise, we have no details exactly why Abraham, the ancient prophet, killed innocent people, why he practiced polygamy, why Moses killed a man, practiced polygamy and ordered the genocidal killing of thousands of innocent people to steal their lands. There's A LOT of scant historical accounts we just don't know all of the details of, which is why I suggested to pray for the answers. Sure, you can research but as an old college professor once told me, history is just that; his story, meaning, the story someone tells, which may become an historical account is the story or one person that's likely biased to fit their narrative. I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, just like Peter, Isaiah, Moses and the others listed in the Bible and I believe he did the best he could with what he knew and that we know only some of what he knew. I spent years not active in the church, attending other churches and studying many other religions and philosophies and couldn't give a tiny rat's butt about the church, however, I had a friend rail agains the church one day and it's leaders, which I thought was unfair and flat-out wrong, as I knew he was lying. I decided to read the Book of Mormon, as an adult, which I had never done and never cared to, and prayed to know if it was true or just a hoax, like my friend said it was and I got a powerful answer, an audible one, that it was true and that the church was true. Not what I had expected. I was bothered by some of the church history, especially polygamy and banning the priesthood to some so I began researching, over 30 years ago, traveling to: New York, Ohio, Missouri, Illinois and Salt Lake City, where I wasn't from, to church sites, church records and critical books. I found as I mentioned earlier, there is scant records or no records of some of the things I was researching but a TON of opinions from others. I found the only source of real truth is from God and have faith that I'll learn everything I need, some day. I know that the church and its leaders have done a tremendous amount of good in the world, have fed and clothed millions of people, have taught good principles and have done their level best to help others and do their best. Neither Joseph Smith nor any other church leader is perfect and neither am I but they have done their very best and are guided by God. Kind of like rolling a car tire down a street, it will get off track, wobble a bit, nearly tip over at times but eventually, gets to the right destination with good guidance. Please read the scriptures, keep researching and don't forget to pray! God bless

@georgebauerschmidt5289

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrArtist7777 when I was an investigator for nearly 4 months, I had questions. Sometimes it was met with polite change of subject or the casual "you have so much to learn, worry about that stuff later once you grasp the core". It seemed an excuse to push the question away. Other questions I noticed seem to annoy active members with harsh statements telling me that "if you are looking for issues don't waste our time". These gruff replies were brutal and awkward. Fortunately, that was from a select few. The Mormon missionaries that were assigned to me often played "good cop / bad cop" one being very kind and supportive, the other often 2nd guessing why I was asking certain questions. The 3 of us spent lots of time together. We visited the Smith Farm (I'm only 15 miles away from Palmyra, NY) and the Book Publishing building. The history was fascinating. Shame these 2 guys finished their trip. The new missionaries were not as educated or as friendly and I lost interest as an investigator and did my own homework.

Good job, Jessie. I am an ex-Mormon and I worry about my Mormon friends following such a cult and thinking it's the true church. Joseph Smith was a terrible shrew.

@JohnDLee-im4lo

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.

@nickwright4079

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDLee-im4lo your cult is losing your young members each year. As long as the internet exists, your church will not succeed.

I just downloaded the CES Letter to my Kindle app from the website for easy access and reading.

Lady I hope you're spiritually well Because I'm witnessing many spiritual experiences, they're only living God and my relationship with him and my savior. I thought 30 years and EMS in Los Angeles gave me spiritual rewards but now. Glory to God and the only begotten son who's truth transcend's all of man's religions to become the only begotten of the father

If I stop being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, what should I do, where should I go?

@krissee6961

5 жыл бұрын

Steven There are several good KZreads to watch. The good advice is to visit some Christian churches in your area to see where you feel is a good fit for you ..this may change as you grow.. anywhere Bible focussed and full of praising Jesus in song..that sort of thing. On KZread there's exmormon files to watch..lots of nice interviews with people who've come to a personal relationship with God Jesus Heart of the Matter 2 with Shawn McCraney

@krissee6961

5 жыл бұрын

Steven to just read the Bible is good 'food'. Read it in full from beginning to end, everything then in context. Hmm.. reading a modern language copy could be a good idea. Read the whole of John, to start with.. You can get the Bible in audiobook too🙂

@krissee6961

5 жыл бұрын

Steven Also C.A.M.P.U.S. and kzread.info/dron/RHOdnE4IObIwEK7vMPWFvA.html

@krissee6961

5 жыл бұрын

If you have Christian friends or workmates, ask them where they go to church, what they like about it, if you could come along to see what it's like.

@renaewhalen5476

5 жыл бұрын

Stephen, Christ will support you and strengthen you in your journey. There are many good Christian Churches out there. Also there are exmormon support forums that are very positive and helpful. Google. Seek and ye shall find.. Will pray for you.

1769 is not 17th century.

@thomabbott226

5 жыл бұрын

Talking about the KJV writing, not BoM

@markking8292

5 жыл бұрын

What she’s reading is referring to the original KJV translation, done in 1611. The KJV was produced in the early 17th century. Joseph Smith’s 1769 edition was a printing of a 17th century translation

@gunkulator1

5 жыл бұрын

@@markking8292 Indeed. One of the prima facie falsities of the BOM is that it is supposedly a 19th century translation and yet it sounds suspiciously like 17th century English! 19th century Americans weren't talking with "thees" and "thous" and other flowery, old timey grammar.

@miriamcooper1320

5 жыл бұрын

Cut her a break.. the church doesn't believe in educating us... we had a lot of catching up to do.

Thanks for the heads up .

I was raised in the church and taught what the church teaches years later I left the church and Found Jesus I thought I was going to return to the church as a good Christian but within a week of reading the Bible I changed my mind from even attending one service because I knew it was a different gospel

Funny how the church calls people who are thinking about going to the church investigators". Yet the church tells their members to avoid investigating. Under their breath of course.

@paulplumb6360

4 жыл бұрын

I never heard anyone tell me not to investigate. I have studied books both for and against and after 50 years, I'm still a member. The church has absolutely nothing to fear from the garbage that is on this channel. Her knowledge is like kindergarten and her facts are not true. If you have some questions, start looking where there are real answers - I would suggest the BYU archives and scholars articles.

@micahrockwell9615

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulplumb6360 the LDS church's prophecies change like the wind. Does God ever change? No. So then the prophets must be false prophets and the doctrine not true. Also, the concept of salvation...LDS scripture and doctrine teach that you are saved by grace "after all you have done". So then you only receive saving grace by works. Except You can't earn your salvation by works. Biblical scripture is clear on that. If you believe the Bible to be true (as LDS members say they do), then you can't also believe Mormon scriptures. They are heavily in conflict with each other.

AMEN TO YOUR FAITH AND BELIEF IN GOD ALMIGHTY AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. GOD BLESS YOU.

i was babtized at 21 didnt know what i was doing i couldnt forget that moment and im 46 and now i wanted to go back but listening to you i will decide for catholic church ... do you maybe know with what mormon babtism connect you with spiritually...beacause after some while really bad stuff start happening to me

@strongtower9237

3 жыл бұрын

You should read your Bible. Those who seek, find.

I appreciate your sincere approach to these sensitive issues.

I researched so much. (Didn’t even hear about CES letters till I officially resigned) the kinder hook plates was the last nail in the coffin.

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, so many problems. What beliefs do you have now after leaving Mormonism?

@MrArtist7777

5 жыл бұрын

@@itsmejessie They're all going atheist, Jesse, nobody's converting to your hate-filled rants of bigotry beliefs.

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrArtist7777 That's an ignorant lie. I get comments and emails every single day from exMormons who now know the true Savior and are born again Christians, filled with hope and joy.

@MrArtist7777

5 жыл бұрын

@@itsmejessie Can you prove ANY of them are remaining Christians? We baptize nearly 900 people a day in our church who know the Savior lives and loves them and testify that His church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. We have the records, I've met many of them and have personally baptized many former Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, evangelical Christians, atheists and others who respect their former churches and beliefs and are taught to never say anything disparaging or defamatory about them but to move forward with what they believe to be true, sharing love and peace. What you're doing, Jesse, if fanning the flames of hate and bigotry, and you know it! If you don't agree with our beliefs, fine, you can simply state that and move on, as we do, and talk about your own beliefs. You know full well that the ONLY reason you're making these videos is to defame our church and members and spread bigotry and hate.

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrArtist7777 The LDS church teaches a false Christ, a false Gospel, false prophets, changes who God is, has occultic (demonic) background and influence in the temples, esteems Joseph Smith to the level of Jesus Christ and he himself even boasted that he did a greater work than Christ. The LDS church is blasphemous and full of deception. My ONLY goal is to preach the truth of the Bible and to expose the false teachings that contradict the Bible.

Great to hear from a Bible Believing Christian.

@blahtime99

2 жыл бұрын

The bible isn't real either. They are all man made books of fiction.

@Agenda21Truth1

2 жыл бұрын

@@blahtime99 Another LIE perpetrated by those who have lost their Faith, they must DESTROY everyone else's! kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYWYj8idoNSfnc4.html

@blahtime99

2 жыл бұрын

@@Agenda21Truth1 How is that a lie? There is 0 evidence for the bible's historical accuracy.

@Agenda21Truth1

2 жыл бұрын

@@blahtime99 Why are you HELL-BENT on Destroying peoples Faith? Why don't you go on your merry way & leave people alone? It doesn't mount to a hill of beans or make a difference in your day to day life, so why not let it alone? I refuse to debate you on the subject because It won't effect your view of it, but the Truth will be known in The End, & we'll both know it then!✝️🙏🏼 Physical EVIDENCE for The Bible's teachings. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oYWYj8idoNSfnc4.html

@blahtime99

2 жыл бұрын

@@Agenda21Truth1 You mean you won't because you have ZERO evidence. It's sad that you can't offer even a speck of evidence for something that you are basing your life on. And no, quoting the bible doesn't count as evidence.

I really enjoy your videos. I find them very interesting and eye opening. In one of your other videos you stated Joseph had shot and killed two the day he died. May I ask where you found this information?

@longnamenocansayy

Жыл бұрын

all mormon history is very controversial. all mormon history is officially denied by the mormon church because it is so embarrassing. in the case of what happened at carthage jail you have to rely on the witnesses and the court trial that happened after the murders. john taylor was one of the witnesses. he is a mormon and he was with joseph smith when joseph got shot. John Taylor actually said, "I afterwards understood that two or three were wounded by these discharges, two of whom, I am informed, died."[1] follow the footnote to: Smith, History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Vol. 7, 102-103 going deeper you will most certainly find bona fide certified statements on both sides of the question, as to whether or not joseph smith killed 2 men. when he shot them in the face was their best interest in his mind? what was in his heart? was it merely a matter of loving the apostate into heaven? i think not. joseph smith was no vestial virgin. not like the mormon church tries to portray. he was the head of a gang of cutthroats known as the danites who killed a lot of men. 2 of the danites wrote books. bill hickman and john d lee. so before you try to defend joseph smith as a totally innocent fun loving country farm boy, be prepared to explain the trail of dead bodies the mormons left all over the place from kirtland to salt lake city utah. and explain why general johnston was ordered to salt lake city, and explain the mountain meadows massacre. mormonism is a cult. always has been always will be.+

Wow, impressed by the literary references in the beginning. The algorithm brings me to this part of KZread through IBLP. I’d heard of the CES Letter but assumed it was full of doctrinal references I wouldn’t understand. Instead, it’s right up my alley - my degree was in French and English Letters, so I read a ridiculous amount of 19th century literature. The only time I tried to read the Book of Mormon, I was sitting bored in a hotel. Of course there was one in the desk drawer. The prose was just a parody of KJV-esque language mixed with the lowest-tier popular reading material of the 1800-1830 period, before Romanticism really took off. As far as the actual content, I only remember the Angel Moroni showing up. If I remember correctly, Smith was saying things like ‘and the hem of his sleeves was approximately one inch’ and all of these other ridiculous details that NO ONE would be noticing if an angel was suddenly standing there. It sounded like a 13 year old throwing minute details into an elaborate lie b/c he thinks it makes it sound more believable, when in fact it tips his parents off that he’s lying. And don’t even get me started on the etymology of all the names that he evidently thought were very impressively ‘bible-sounding.’ And then, when I talked to Mormons, they had a tendency to try to look deep into your eyes and implore you to ‘read the book and ASK YOURSELF if it’s true.’ Dude, I couldn’t get through a few pages without rolling my eyes, throwing it back in the drawer and reading the menu from the local Chinese takeout place instead. Same difference - flowery language, suspicious descriptions and you read it wondering to what degree it’s lies.

@longnamenocansayy

7 ай бұрын

it's such a poor quality read that it's been changed in 4000 places. all without the slightest hint of a change ever being made. and there are no distinct mormon doctrines in the book. i'm suppose to believe that god needed a book to bring out hidden secrets of christianity, and then he forgot what those hidden secrets are. and then there's the authorship question. who wrote it? his mother had already written one book. and she had already raised one other son, alvin, to be a prophet, but alvin died. years later, after joseph is shot and killed, his mother and wife take up living together in the same house, and guess what? another prophet is raised. what a concidence. i'm not saying it was not a miracle. i'm sure it was a miracle. it's a miracle that anyone can read the book without dieing of boredom.

I have read the CES Letter. In honesty I felt these were all very legitimate questions concerning Church doctrine, I was a TBM up to age 50, I lost my belief in the church while studying about church history and the Book of Abraham what started out as a spiritual journey, with the idea of being faith promoting. The life of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham became a wrecking ball to what I felt to be a strong testimony. Now I have come to the conclusion that all religion is crap. I no desire to believe in holy books or holy men. I am done with religion. I still believe that there is a God, but one who is above any dogma or religion.

@southernbawselady7092

5 жыл бұрын

Steve Smith - Awesome conclusion! ExJW Solidarity! 👍

@SteveSmith-os5bs

5 жыл бұрын

John Lee well John you sure like to get out there with the accusations and personal insults. Are your issues bordering on hatred or just a warm dislike. I don’t pretend to have any special knowledge about your testimony or Temple worthy ness. I do question your commitment to your to the love your neighbor as thy self commandment, in this case your response has been very similar to what I seen in posts by evangelicals, I always thought the LDS were better then that. You probably should have started your response with bearing your testimony on you know that Joseph Smith was a Prophet or the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I talk about my personal experience and opinion. I don’t do character assassination or resort to personal attack’s. If you want to be the defender of the faith great, but have a little dignity.

@SteveSmith-os5bs

5 жыл бұрын

John Lee well there you go again, name calling, trying to play the KZread bully. Were you looking in the mirror when you came up with hypocrite? I was expecting some sort of retort, not one so unthought out. If you get this out of wack with the comments of a stranger, then one can only imagine your reactions to people you actually know. Who have opinions that differ from yours.

@Mikha335

5 жыл бұрын

Steve Smith You shouldn't blame God because you were deceived by Joseph Smith. He warned you by Jesus Christ to not be deceived. I had to own it myself after a lifetime of delusion as well, so I understand your feelings. Peace.

@gunkulator1

5 жыл бұрын

@@Mikha335 All we have a man made religions and flawed humans preaching that they're the ones with the truth. If your Jesus or God or Allah or Buddha wants us to know something, let him tell us, not you

I'd like to see a similar analysis in the other religions texts.

@jadelion11

3 жыл бұрын

Find whatever texts dictate the dogma in her own religion and you can bet that is the last thing she will ever "analyze".

@It's me Jesse, I've a valid question for you, if someone writes a "CES LETTER", that "proves" that God does not exist, do you think that refutes theism?

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

You have to weigh the evidence! You don't just take the letter at face value and accept it. You study it out with the brain God gave us all.

@robertmelcher904

5 жыл бұрын

@@itsmejessie you're using a RED HERRING logical fallacy to try and dodge my question: if someone writes a "CES LETTER" "proving" that God does not exist, does that refutes theism?

@christiankaiser4471

5 жыл бұрын

Robert Melcher No it doesn’t prove it. Because God existing an unfalsifiable claim. However Joseph Smith was a man and is proven to be a liar. Don’t need a CES letter to recognise that.

@robertmelcher904

5 жыл бұрын

@@christiankaiser4471 ??????????? Please post a coherent comment. Thank you.

@christiankaiser4471

5 жыл бұрын

Robert Melcher Your clever question doesn’t work. Providing or disproving God is not possible. It is an unfalsifiable claim. Joseph Smith in the other hand, being a true prophet IS a falsifiable claim. So your question tries to connect two things which are not connectable. Joseph Smith= proven liar by science, history and common sense. God= impossible to disprove.

Just think about how much potential of humans that have been lost due to all religions. All that time spent reading the same book! I grew up without any religion and read a book a day, often, except for the 9 years of high school and university due to hours studying every night. English, French, Math, Chem, Physics in high school. Tons of chemistry classes in college along with immunology, parasitology, urinalysis, blood banking, hematology, and the list goes on.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge on these topics and for your courage to say these truths. My best friend is Mormon and it is so hard to watch her be held in chains by this religion and never feel "worthy". Hopefully one day she will see the truth as you have.

@AmbyJeans

Жыл бұрын

Same! My closest friends are Mormon and so many of them feel like this

Hill Cumorah. In my neck of the woods. An old boss of mine at Eastman Kodak, a Mormon, offered me tickets to the annual Hill Cumorah Festival. I politely told him, "Now Steven, you don't actually believe that nonsense, do you". I'll never forget what he replied - " Well ... umm ... I compartmentalize certain things about my faith ... "

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

😳 Wow!

@nickgcbond

5 жыл бұрын

" a Mormon, offered me tickets to the annual Hill Cumorah Festival." I think that's the annual Pagent that the current LDS 'Prophet' has just cancelled and discontinued, so you won't be offered tickets after the final one in 2020. Can anyone understand why the LDS leader has done this, unless it's because he knows it's a load of nonsense himself perhaps and wants to attract attention away from Hill Cumorah where there is no evidence, no archeology at all for the book of Mormon claim that 230,000 warriors were killed and prior to that at Hlil Ramah (same Hill) nearly Two million warriors were killed. Both battles supposedly with Steel weapons and armor.

@AlexAquarius963

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Malley I have been to that pageant/outdoor play.

@randyjordan5521

5 жыл бұрын

About 20 years ago, I used to correspond with an Ex-Mormon guy who had previously been in charge of car parking for the pageant for many years.

@AlexAquarius963

5 жыл бұрын

@@itsmejessie There's probably giants buried under the mound, or Nephilim.

Thank you it was very good opening :)

I joined in 71 but left after awhile, don't remember when. I rejoined about 3 years ago and then left again late last year. I am now wondering if I was to rejoin to help others find the truth and leave the cult of lds? That would be great if I can help others to find the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

Watch the video called Holy Bible vs Book of Mormon. Tells a lot in the video.

@kkheflin3

4 жыл бұрын

@Ernest Marcucelia.... Yes that's an excellent video!!!!!

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

does it explain all of the chiasmus and other hebraisms found in the Book of Mormon? Or does it talk about the discovery of Nahom? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

Love what you’re doing here! I’ve been out for almost 4.5 years now but was born into the Mormon church and raised with all the Pioneer heritage possible and have been shunned by most of my family. Just curious why you decided to warn others of this massive fraud?

Thankyou so much!!! I came out in 2021/2022. I too now a born again Christian ❤❤❤

Thank you so much. ❤️❤️

Jeremy Runnells was well qualified to write this paper due to his life long membership in the church and a return missionary. I gather you've read books refuting the Bible and Christianity, such as, 'How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee.' I'd highly recommend it. "All we would need to do would be to read the Bible and accept what it says as what really happened. That, of course, is the approach to the Bible that fundamentalists take. And that’s one reason why you will not find fundamentalists at the forefront of critical scholarship." "Faith is not historical knowledge, and historical knowledge is not faith." - Bart Ehrman.

@TheChrishendrix

5 жыл бұрын

@borrowed tomb Yet the Bible is the very foundation of Christianity, and with little to no evidence of it's core claims such as, the resurrection of Jesus Christ. That creates a problem for those who proclaim the Bible as a divine or holy book, Or Christianity as the one true religion. Bart Ehrman absolutely differs from others, that's why he debates people such as James White on the issue of specifically the New Testament and Jesus. He also debates people such as William Lane Craig. Your comment and my reply was a digression from the original purpose of my comment. Jessie spends alot of time criticising Mormonism as a false religion, My comments are a reminder to examine your own belief system for errors and false information in an unbiased manner. Your comment was placed in the area of the historical evidence of the new testament, this has absolutely no bearing on the divine claims made within that book. Therefore many Christians are in the same position as anyone else when it comes to faith claims, It's blind. In conclusion I think it's completely hypocritical of anyone in a religious group or philosophy to criticise the other for falsehood.

@fayelewis5476

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheChrishendrix “The evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.” The First Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection To begin with, we have demonstrably sincere eyewitness testimony. Early Christian apologists cited hundreds of eyewitnesses, some of whom documented their own alleged experiences. Many of these eyewitnesses willfully and resolutely endured prolonged torture and death rather than repudiate their testimony. This fact attests to their sincerity, ruling out deception on their part. According to the historical record (The Book of Acts 4:1-17; Pliny’s Letters to Trajan X, 97, etc) most Christians could end their suffering simply by renouncing the faith. Instead, it seems that most opted to endure the suffering and proclaim Christ’s resurrection unto death. Granted, while martyrdom is remarkable, it is not necessarily compelling. It does not validate a belief so much as it authenticates a believer (by demonstrating his or her sincerity in a tangible way). What makes the earliest Christian martyrs remarkable is that they knew whether or not what they were professing was true. They either saw Jesus Christ alive-and-well after His death or they did not. This is extraordinary. If it was all just a lie, why would so many perpetuate it given their circumstances? Why would they all knowingly cling to such an unprofitable lie in the face of persecution, imprisonment, torture, and death? While the September 11, 2001, suicide hijackers undoubtedly believed what they professed (as evidenced by their willingness to die for it), they could not and did not know if it was true. They put their faith in traditions passed down to them over many generations. In contrast, the early Christian martyrs were the first generation. Either they saw what they claimed to see, or they did not. Among the most illustrious of the professed eyewitnesses were the Apostles. They collectively underwent an undeniable change following the alleged post-resurrection appearances of Christ. Immediately following His crucifixion, they hid in fear for their lives. Following the resurrection they took to the streets, boldly proclaiming the resurrection despite intensifying persecution. What accounts for their sudden and dramatic change? It certainly was not financial gain. The Apostles gave up everything they had to preach the resurrection, including their lives. The Second Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection A second line of evidence concerns the conversion of certain key skeptics, most notably Paul and James. Paul was of his own admission a violent persecutor of the early Church. After what he described as an encounter with the resurrected Christ, Paul underwent an immediate and drastic change from a vicious persecutor of the Church to one of its most prolific and selfless defenders. Like many early Christians, Paul suffered impoverishment, persecution, beatings, imprisonment, and execution for his steadfast commitment to Christ’s resurrection. James was skeptical, though not as hostile as Paul. A purported post-resurrection encounter with Christ turned him into an inimitable believer, a leader of the Church in Jerusalem. We still have what scholars generally accept to be one of his letters to the early Church. Like Paul, James willingly suffered and died for his testimony, a fact which attests to the sincerity of his belief (see The Book of Acts and Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews XX, ix, 1). The Third and Fourth Lines of Evidence for Christ's resurrection A third line and fourth line of evidence concern enemy attestation to the empty tomb and the fact that faith in the resurrection took root in Jerusalem. Jesus was publicly executed and buried in Jerusalem. It would have been impossible for faith in His resurrection to take root in Jerusalem while His body was still in the tomb where the Sanhedrin could exhume it, put it on public display, and thereby expose the hoax. Instead, the Sanhedrin accused the disciples of stealing the body, apparently in an effort to explain its disappearance (and therefore an empty tomb). How do we explain the fact of the empty tomb? Here are the three most common explanations: First, the disciples stole the body. If this were the case, they would have known the resurrection was a hoax. They would not therefore have been so willing to suffer and die for it. (See the first line of evidence concerning demonstrably sincere eyewitness testimony.) All of the professed eyewitnesses would have known that they hadn’t really seen Christ and were therefore lying. With so many conspirators, surely someone would have confessed, if not to end his own suffering then at least to end the suffering of his friends and family. The first generation of Christians were absolutely brutalized, especially following the conflagration in Rome in A.D. 64 (a fire which Nero allegedly ordered to make room for the expansion of his palace, but which he blamed on the Christians in Rome in an effort to exculpate himself). As the Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus recounted in his Annals of Imperial Rome (published just a generation after the fire): “Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” (Annals, XV, 44) Nero illuminated his garden parties with Christians whom he burnt alive. Surely someone would have confessed the truth under the threat of such terrible pain. The fact is, however, we have no record of any early Christian denouncing the faith to end his suffering. Instead, we have multiple accounts of post-resurrection appearances and hundreds of eyewitnesses willing to suffer and die for it. If the disciples didn’t steal the body, how else do we explain the empty tomb? Some have suggested that Christ faked His death and later escaped from the tomb. This is patently absurd. According to the eyewitness testimony, Christ was beaten, tortured, lacerated, and stabbed. He suffered internal damage, massive blood loss, asphyxiation, and a spear through His heart. There is no good reason to believe that Jesus Christ (or any other man for that matter) could survive such an ordeal, fake His death, sit in a tomb for three days and nights without medical attention, food or water, remove the massive stone which sealed His tomb, escape undetected (without leaving behind a trail of blood), convince hundreds of eyewitnesses that He was resurrected from the death and in good health, and then disappear without a trace. Such a notion is ridiculous. The Fifth Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection Finally, a fifth line of evidence concerns a peculiarity of the eyewitness testimony. In all of the major resurrection narratives, women are credited as the first and primary eyewitnesses. This would be an odd invention since in both the ancient Jewish and Roman cultures women were severely disesteemed. Their testimony was regarded as insubstantial and dismissible. Given this fact, it is highly unlikely that any perpetrators of a hoax in 1st Century Judea would elect women to be their primary witnesses. Of all the male disciples who claimed to see Jesus resurrected, if they all were lying and the resurrection was a scam, why did they pick the most ill-perceived, distrusted witnesses they could find? Dr. William Lane Craig explains, “When you understand the role of women in first-century Jewish society, what's really extraordinary is that this empty tomb story should feature women as the discoverers of the empty tomb in the first place. Women were on a very low rung of the social ladder in first-century Israel. There are old rabbinical sayings that said, 'Let the words of Law be burned rather than delivered to women' and 'blessed is he whose children are male, but woe to him whose children are female.' Women's testimony was regarded as so worthless that they weren't even allowed to serve as legal witnesses in a Jewish court of Law. In light of this, it's absolutely remarkable that the chief witnesses to the empty tomb are these women... Any later legendary account would have certainly portrayed male disciples as discovering the tomb - Peter or John, for example. The fact that women are the first witnesses to the empty tomb is most plausibly explained by the reality that - like it or not - they were the discoverers of the empty tomb! This shows that the Gospel writers faithfully recorded what happened, even if it was embarrassing. This bespeaks the historicity of this tradition rather than its legendary status." (Dr. William Lane Craig, quoted by Lee Strobel, The Case For Christ, Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1998, p. 293) “The evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.” www.gotquestions.org/why-believe-resurrection.html

@TheChrishendrix

5 жыл бұрын

@borrowed tomb Your argument is a straw man fallacy, Let's get back on track. How can you criticise another religion for falsehood, when there is no evidence for the divine claims made within Christianity?

@TheChrishendrix

5 жыл бұрын

@borrowed tomb Ad hominem attacks on the character of Joseph Smith and the morality of Jesus Christ stills doesn't provide any evidence of the divinity of Christianity. You need to face facts, You cannot provide any evidence for Christ being a divine being. You are essentially exercising blind faith, just as a Mormon does for the book of Mormon.

@Mikha335

5 жыл бұрын

Chris Shearer Bart Ehrman himself acknowledges that all evidence supports that a Jesus's disciples believed he had risen from the dead, from the earliest days of the church. This, and the doctrine of the atonement are the firmest basis of Christianity from the beginning. After 30 years of dealing with doubt in the evidence to support the truth claims of Mormonism, I personally can appreciate the abundance of evidence of the historical claims of the Bible. The foundation evidence for Mormonism is not even comparable -- not anywhere close. Ad far as later doctrinal developments, Bart Ehrman's views are very relevant and should not be dismissed, by any serious investigator. You can no more assume that Christianity today is what it was originally than you could assume Mormonism is today what it was originally.

Very thorough research. I wish my sister and brother would be convinced of this information. I need to pray they will.

@jennifernewland1851

5 жыл бұрын

Patty Farb I am in the same place. Witnessed to my brother and sister in law that the BOM was false. Asked them to just look into it like we are called in the Bible (to test all things). He said, “I guess we will see who is right when we die” 😢

@kkheflin3

4 жыл бұрын

@@jennifernewland1851 you might share this link with them comparing the Bible to the BOM. It's very long but very well put together in my opinion. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZYN5lMyydbC0h6w.html

@georgebauerschmidt5289

4 жыл бұрын

@@kkheflin3 I just watched the video. The most chilling part was the Blood Atonement. How awful was this practice. This history should be revealed to everyone in TV movie so that everyone the world over can see the cruel, evil, cult tactics at work in Mormonism.

Left the church over 25 years ago because of all of these issues and church leaderships handling of mark Hoffman. So glad a brilliant person put this all together for people seeking truth.

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

Thank you!

You maid it half way out, don't stop.

@mr.mcthicc1073

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr lol

Thank you for your open honesty

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

Open honesty? Like how DECEPTIVE the CES letter is? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

@carlduffin

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ether-pb5gb "The CES letter is a major fraud. " Please show me a citation that proves the CES letter is a fraud from a non-Mormon source; thank you in anticipation.

@Ether-pb5gb

2 жыл бұрын

because the CES letter is so honest, right? Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......very interesting "scholarship"!!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html

"In me all mankind have life" isn't a typo. Collective nouns used to be used as plural. Still are in UK. Do you think the Trinity comes from the Trimurti?

@fayelewis5476

4 жыл бұрын

Hinduism is a complicated religion with multiple gods who may or may not all be just avatars (representatives) of the tasks performed by a single supreme lord. Different sects within Hinduism emphasize the worship of different gods based on proclivity, leading, and needs; and different Hindu teachers interpret the same writings with different meanings. The supreme lord in Hinduism also represents the supreme truth of the cosmos. Three of these Hindu gods are sometimes combined to make up the “Trimurti,” a triad of gods (usually Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva). The word Trimurti comes from the prefix for “three,” tri-, and the Hindi word for “image” or “representation,” murti. Their specific tasks (Brahma creates, Vishnu maintains, and Shiva destroys) keep the world in a state of equilibrium. Vishnu and Shiva are two significant avatars or representations of the supreme lord, and that supreme lord has three aspects, according to the Rigveda (1700-1100 BC). The Maitri Upanishad (800-400 BC) has a note, not original to the text, about the combination of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. The first mention of the Trimurti itself, however, was in the poem “Birth of the War God,” written in the 4th or 5th century AD. It wasn’t until the Puranas (AD 300) that the members of the Trimurti were brought together to receive their defined roles in the caring for the cosmos. Brahma creates and gives life force to his creation. One of his main aspects is knowledge and the dissemination of knowledge. He is barely worshiped as an individual today and has only a handful of temples in India; he was caught in a sin (being too lenient and blessing demons, trying seduce his daughter, or lying, depending on the story) and has to work under the supervision of Vishnu or Shiva. Brahma the god is not to be confused with Brahman, meaning “absolute, supreme reality or the manifestation thereof,” or Brahmin, which is the Hindu caste of priests. Vishnu maintains the worlds in his care. He was a minor god in the early days of Hinduism, and even now some of his incarnations, such as Lord Rama and Lord Krishna, are worshiped more than he himself. Hindus claim that Buddha is another incarnation, but Buddhists, who believe in enlightened humans instead of gods, disagree. Vishnu represents kingship and military power and enforces order with physical force. Shiva (or Rudra-Siva) is the destroyer or absorber god. He and Vishnu often competed for the title of “Supreme Lord.” Shiva is prone to fits of anger, and his destructive bent comes from his desire to see the world newer and purer. Like Vishnu, his incarnations are worshiped more than he is. He is the god of male fertility but also of asceticism, as self-denial supposedly increases one’s “ascetic heat” and makes one more attractive to women. The Hindu Trimurti is the representation of the supreme lord’s work to control the cosmos as illustrated in the combination of the three gods in these specific roles. Each of the three gods has different interests, but when their powers combine to focus on creation, maintenance, and destruction, that is the Trimurti. One theory is that the concept of the Trimurti came about in order to bring worshipers from different Hindu sects into a more cohesive group. Vaishnavites who worshiped Vishnu and Saivites who concentrated on Shiva could join in worshiping a single supreme lord who had the aspects of a maintainer and destroyer, with the addition of a creator, while still concentrating on their particular sect. In reality, those who specifically worship Vishnu or Shiva are just as likely to either ignore the Trimurti or explain how their favorite god is the supreme lord who created the other two. Other Hindu sects combine different gods into “Trimurti,” including Brahma, Vishnu, and Bhava, or replace Brahma, Shiva, and Krishna. At any rate, the Trimurti, while mentioned in Hindu literature, isn’t a significant part of Hinduism as practiced but more of an explanation of the workings of the cosmos. The defined concept of the Trimurti is a relatively new addition to Hinduism, but the importance of the number 3 is not. Hinduism teaches three layers of nature, three states of being, three divisions of both time and the day, and three phases of life and self-realization, to name a few. It flows naturally that the supreme lord would order the cosmos via characteristics from three of his avatars. The teaching of the Trimurti as three manifestations of the supreme lord is similar to the heretical Christian teaching called Sabellianism. In Sabellianism, the Members of the Trinity are not individuals but merely three different representations or forms that God chooses to present Himself as. The Trimurti is also referred to as the Hindu triumvirate, a governing body made of three individuals, which is the opposite idea of Sabellianism as the members’ identities are primarily that of individuals who work together. The Hindu Trimurti is not like the Christian Trinity. The Trinity is one God in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons. Many Hindus reject the concept of the Trimurti, and even those who accept the Trimurti see the triad as three Hindu gods appearing as avatars, manifestations, or modes of the supreme lord; they are not separate persons. www.gotquestions.org/Hindu-Trimurti.html

@johnpfmcguire

4 жыл бұрын

@@fayelewis5476 the Trimurti is older; the Trinity is clearly a (surprisingly slight) distortion

@fayelewis5476

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnpfmcguire The Trinity is based on the word of God. The Triune God of the Bible created the Universe. This was long before Hinduism. Hinduism has 330 million gods. Mormonism teaches billions of god. But for those of who know the truth there is only one God.

@johnpfmcguire

4 жыл бұрын

@@fayelewis5476 whatever makes you feel good

@fayelewis5476

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnpfmcguire Happy Thanksgiving!

Have you ever met Jeremy T Runnels, and if you had 5 mins with him what you make sure to say?

@itsmejessie

5 жыл бұрын

No, I haven't but if I did, I would share the true Gospel message of the Bible with him and would be sure to tell him that he is mistaken about the Bible's authenticity and historical accuracy. I'd tell him I will be praying that he comes to know Christ because God is real and God loves him so much!

@Ether-pb5gb

3 жыл бұрын

I would ask Runnels why he is such a fraud! The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3-BubuGd9jUeco.html