I still remember something that my 9th grade English teacher said: "Romeo and Juliet is not a romantic story. I teach it every year because it's part of the curriculum, but what is so frustrating to me is that only half of you are listening to me right now."

@Sophie_Pea

2 жыл бұрын

There’s just something everyone seems to love about doomed or tragically fated love. It’s just horrific that people tend to apply it to real life situations as well

@causeeffect7624

2 жыл бұрын

...good to know, that you were listening!

@scrossman27

Жыл бұрын

It's a story which covers all of a week and a dozen people die. They were 14 and 16. Stupid kids honestly.

@WrathOfLiz

Жыл бұрын

It was never supposed to be one. It's a tragedy

@annalisavajda252

Жыл бұрын

Yes well it really is a story about gang violence and teenage suicide probably not good to promote it to teens as idealistic. Sid and Nancy were their own era too we had Kurt and Courtney in the 90s and I did not idolize their relationship either.

I used to have a boyfriend that told me “we can be just like Sid and Nancy if we stay together” and it scared the shit out of me. So glad I got out when I did

@leilavalentina2787

Жыл бұрын

me too not even lying😨

@Walczyk

Жыл бұрын

Ngl you sound crazy but in a good way

@Imslowasfboi

Жыл бұрын

@@Walczyk ngl you sound like her ex

@Imslowasfboi

Жыл бұрын

Dude fuck psycho people. Fuck them fr

@Walczyk

Жыл бұрын

@@Imslowasfboi you don’t even know her ex

The doctors gaslighting Deborah just because they didn't have the medical knowledge to help Nancy is crazy and so unprofessional

@m.ta.r.6443

Жыл бұрын

Sad to say that the crappy aspect of medical care is still alive and well. Those kids were so numb at an early age and it could've been prevented. But there were people who damn sure tried.

@matildadhumxoxo5801

Жыл бұрын

…..Thats the way that they always are when they dont know the answer

@matildadhumxoxo5801

Жыл бұрын

Im so glad that I chose to get myself fixed early! I helped support my seven younger siblings and they never gave me ab ounce of trouble all of the years that they spent weekends and holidays at my house since Im so much older. They knew that I was their extra help and they never forgot to bring it up.They were a joy to watch grow up. With that said,I dont understand this Nancy girl!!! I pity her parents. I dont know how Nancys parents marriage stayed intact?

@matildadhumxoxo5801

Жыл бұрын

terrible!

@DR3ADER1

Жыл бұрын

You can't help a Schizo, the Schizo has to acknowledge that THEY are delusional (and this has been proven almost impossible with patients affected by Schizophrenia and Cluster-B Personality Disorders, and no, outliers do not disprove this consistent rule, it only proves it FURTHER). Deborah is not a doctor, the medical professionals gave up when Nancy went full retard and assaulted her psychiatrist. She wasn't getting any help at this stage, because her response was to lash out at anyone who looked funny at her. Compliance is key and critical to Mental Health Treatment, you can throw a Trillion Pounds into Facilities, Research and Development and Public Awareness, and all of that money might as well be thrown into billions of toilets around the world ready for the flushing as when the patients affected fail to cooperate, no progress can be made at all, full stop.

I remember when I was about 15 and I was obsessed with this case and I’m my mind they were adults, they were grown up. Now I’m 25 and I think it’s crazy how young they were. At 20 I was a child. Hell, I still feel like a child at times. Imagine living so much and dying so young!

@blacktooth3336

Жыл бұрын

You still have one more year until your brain is fully developed!!!

@aptdccvii

Жыл бұрын

exactly!! when i 1st read about them i was around 17 and i'm now 20 and i still feel like a kid sometimes

@tron.44

Жыл бұрын

20 is definitely not an age to be considered a child, unless you are talking about a mentally retarded person. Immaturity aside, 20 is on the cusp of full, legal adulthood, but is considered adulthood.

@maddieb.4282

Жыл бұрын

I’m 30 and think I was a child at 25, I still feel like one too. I think you feel that way forever. 20 is a baby.

@MsBabyChips

Жыл бұрын

@@maddieb.4282 I'm 40 and I was a child at 30. 20 is an infant.

I read a biography about Aerosmith. Apparently Nancy was partying with the band in a hotel room and asked them to throw her off the balcony. Even in their deeply impaired state, the band realized this was too much, and got her out of the hotel, by elevator.

@deadbodiodi4098

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for specifying the method of her exit lol

@cautionTosser

2 жыл бұрын

going down?

@itbeWOLFLINGS

2 жыл бұрын

Man I'd loved to have partied with Aerosmith

@iamV10010

2 жыл бұрын

@@itbeWOLFLINGS definitely! Just imagine the debauchery going on in their hotel room 😳 😬 😅

@michaelharrington75

2 жыл бұрын

Then wrote the hit song "Love in an elevator'.

This is incredible. You stripped away all the mythology and humanized them. You gave the story a throughline by avoiding a straight digestible narrative. You don’t try to give them redeeming qualities, but you don’t treat them like feral animals. You somehow answer a million questions by leaving a million loose ends. This is the way history is supposed to be written. Goddamn. Keep up the amazing work.

@Bleu_Dreams

2 жыл бұрын

I’m

@RanTheAwesome

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't humanize Sid the piece of shit, though. He was just laying out how much of a monster he was, rather than the countless buffoons who idealized him.

@wakawaka6924

Жыл бұрын

@@mjh5437 its not rocket science yet many cant grasp the right way to do it.

@frankmarano1118

Жыл бұрын

@@mjh5437 the praise may have been a little intense but I see no reason to tear them down for it. It was a well researched & well made video. I mustve missed the part where they claimed it was as complicated as rocket science

@superfoo8258

Жыл бұрын

@@RanTheAwesome L human

Deborah was literally such an incredible mom. She went above and beyond for her daughter. It's too bad the health system didn't do the same.

@maloryj7165

8 ай бұрын

It's incredible that at that time she pushed so hard for mental health care. She really tried her very best.

@johndavis9321

8 ай бұрын

It was the 70's fam so little was really known about mental health and shit their was only so much they would have been able to do

@rumblefish9

7 ай бұрын

Nancy was outright a tiny tyrant. Even at such a young age she was extremely manipulative, antagonistic and violent to people. I don't blame her parents or the doctors for feeling exasperated. They DID try everything that was available at that time. Nancy was a sociopath and psychopath!

I read Debra's book in 6th grade, I was 11. The ironic thing about reading that book was my mother and stepfather were entirely messed up all of the time and the house was chaotic but I didn't know the exact cause until I read that book. It has been years (I am 49) but I am pretty sure it was Debra's description of finding a spoon (or something to that effect) that made me realize what was going on because at that time I was constantly finding blackened spoons. Though that book was entirely inappropriate for my age, it left a lasting impression on me.

@Averyr91

Жыл бұрын

I think having drug addict parents was more inappropriate than reading a book, reading that may have helped you identify in some small way that you weren’t alone. I can relate deeply

@prettybullet7728

Жыл бұрын

I was reading Helter Skelter when I was in 5th grade. I read plenty of inappropriate books for my age but I learned a lot from them. Same with both my kids. I wasn't strict when it came to what they read or what music they listened to and they both grew up to be law-abiding citizens with sensible heads on their shoulders.

@cecireyes7664

Жыл бұрын

I read the book when i was 12 and it was definitely inappropriate lol

@hannahchristine2709

11 ай бұрын

I was 11 when i found out why my family were so broken and why my mom always were gone on the weekends and why i can remember being at parties as a toddler and sometimes drinking from the wrong coke glass... whisky and coke.. I thought it was just coke and started to cry when i tasted the burning alcohol as a 4 year old.. I didn't see it back then because that wad normal to me. But yeah... she was an alcoholic. She told me about it when i was 11 because she was going away for treatment in rehab. She has been clean since 2007. Im lucky to have this strong of a mom 🥰 now its my turn.. im a heroin addict myself. So we'll see how it goes. Personally, can take it or leave it at this point. Life. But i don't want my mom to have to go through the pain of loosing a child... thats basically the only reason im still hanging on. But im tierd.. im not asking for a sympathy boost or anything i just mean that i fully understand how exhausting it must have been for them and why sid didn't want to do it anymore. But i have little siblings and a cat who needs me. So i cant just leave them behind like that. And i have sone good days once every blue moon. But thats enough. Im happy when i see my siblings doing great in life, or when my cat is happy and content. That's my reasons to fight. I hope i make it out alive. The worlds overdose day is on the 31st of August. Light a candle and think of someone you know and love who have lost their battle with drugs. Almost all of my closest friends have died off one by one. Keep fighting everyone, you never know what will happen tomorrow!

@mrsd2950

10 ай бұрын

@@hannahchristine2709I hope you win your battle. My oldest sister is 42, and im 31. She’s been on drugs since I was about 5. It’s so hard on me, my family. I love her. I hope she pulls through. But a lot of my trauma has come from incidents involving her when I was young. Not that they stopped, I just grew up enough to ‘deal’ with it. You making it through would mean more to your family than you could probably ever imagine. Stay strong.

When I was younger, Sid and Nancy were idolized as this iconic relationship of the ideal true love, but they were actually really toxic and abusive towards each other and should’ve never been put on a pedestal like that. It’s really messed up that they were so young and had such sad lives.

@maxshea1829

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, same here. I agree.

@bekleedee

2 жыл бұрын

its a kind of joker/Harly Quinn thing. it's romanticised when it really shouldn't be. it's an extremely unhealthy dynamic.

@VicarAmelias

2 жыл бұрын

In a way though through both being broken they were both endlessly understanding for each other. A relationship with unconditional love, you could act in any way and be forgiven as long as you returned it in kind. A punch is given and returned in kind, they both freed each other from repressing their feelings. It's hard to understand if you don't have trauma but in some ways that relationship is better than what you get from everyone else. Cold detachment, judgement, even resentment for the ways you don't necessarily choose to be.

@iamV10010

2 жыл бұрын

@@VicarAmelias that's deep man 🤔

@Golden_Girl7123

2 жыл бұрын

Codependency

Basically the doctors and professionals were too prideful to say there's nothing they could do to help, so they just gaslighted their patients instead, saying nothing is wrong/ they're being dramatic. Can't imagine how that would have ended well.

@bisiilki

2 жыл бұрын

Even today doctors would struggle - a family friend was a sweet young kid who had severe epilepsy which gave her cognitive impairment. She changed meds and had a psychotic break and became as violent and abusive as Nancy. She was hallucinating a whole boyfriend, wilding out, hitting her mum etc. They put her in an inpatient psychiatric ward but none of the drugs helped. They discovered she had fractured her skull during a grand mal seizure some time previously so the mental health people said "nothing we can do" but neurology was like "she's got mental illness so it's not us". She got no relief from her symptoms. She ended up dying at 17 spontaneously from her epilepsy. Absolutely tragic.

@sabinadorothea

2 жыл бұрын

@@bisiilki I completely understand, but that still isn't an excuse to give false hope. It's much better if a doctor is up front with their shortcomings.

@mamacakes6039

2 жыл бұрын

They still do that today

@sabinadorothea

2 жыл бұрын

@@mamacakes6039 it's extemelely unfortunate.

@bluejellyfish4983

2 жыл бұрын

Hasn’t even changed. Especially with personality disorders. There’re so under reassured and often get misdiagnosed.

Yikes! Nancy's family was terrorized. I remember reading the book her mother wrote. It must have been 25 or 30 years ago. I’ve never forgotten it. How her parents survived her and raised two other children at the same time is beyond me. I admire them. I couldn’t have handled it.

@petabulmer3317

11 ай бұрын

I will never understood why Debra couldn't have been stronger. She was a parent, she shouldn't have let Nancy walk all over the family the way she did.

@bathwater2417

10 ай бұрын

@@petabulmer3317 as someone with severe mental health issues that started at a young age + affected my family pretty similarly, it’s cause we’re serious when we say we’ll do kill ourselves or somebody else cause we TRULY believe it is the only reasonable answer. and when you’re too big to physically control anymore and no medical facility will offer help… there’s no way to keep a strong backbone without sacrificing your kid.

@petabulmer3317

10 ай бұрын

@@bathwater2417 I sincerely thank you for your response. It's very interesting to hear from your perspective. I wish you well and hope you are okay now. Peace be with you.

@thtswutshesaid

10 ай бұрын

@@bathwater2417 May peace be with you🙏 Thank you for your perspective & story.

@enbeast8350

8 ай бұрын

​@@bathwater2417 I understand that as one gets older they're harder to control and as someone who suffers from plenty of mental illness caused by trauma, I can speak with mild authority. Her mom failed her. She has how many years until Nancy was too big to be controlled? If you're living in fear because of a 4-year-old, you failed as a parent. I can understand when she became older like 8 and then from there they couldn't control her because she's too big or strong, but come on. Can we stop villainizing a literal child who had a traumatic birth? We can villainize the woman Nancy grew into, but it's pretty disgusting to act like she was born evil and there was nothing anyone could do to raise her right.

Thank you for actually taking the time to humanize Nancy and Sid. I always felt as though everything in this case was over glamourized but the way you went about this really showed they were two very damaged and broken souls. Its sad cuz they never really had a chance.

Trauma is a crazy thing. I’m curious if Nancy’s childhood schizophrenia was triggered by her extremely traumatic birth.. as they say in psych “for schizophrenics: genetics load the gun and life stressors pull the trigger” This is a very sad but fascinating case. Thanks for covering!

@miavujacic4853

2 жыл бұрын

add onto that the organic brain trauma from the hypoxia from the birth causing the visual hallucinations? this is an intense cocktail if i've ever seen one

@lisacepluch1152

2 жыл бұрын

I believe that what Nancy's mom said is that children who have traumatic births with things like lack of oxygen often have huge behavioral issues later on. people are also not remembering that all of this took place back in the 60s and 70s. it was not like it was today where if you go to the doctor and say your child is having issues they start doing testing and such. in those days they were just like well she's just a little fussy, just deal with it. I read her book back in the early eighties and it is an astonishing tale

@daniburke9452

2 жыл бұрын

No I think it the damage was cause from the anticonvulsant. I mean looks how it delays children who have to take it. Children's brains are trying to make connections and the drugs damaged those wirings

@gimmeallthebingbong

2 жыл бұрын

No, the first several weeks dont affect them. Only when they form a bond and feel rejected or abandoned does the trauma begin. That being said, the lack of oxygen can totally mess up the brains development if that’s what you were talking about

@MissSpaz

Жыл бұрын

So when I was born, I was also oxygen deprived. I suffocated in the birth canal and had to be resuscitated. I was also paralyzed in my left arm and kept away from my mom for days. I don't think it was quite as aggressive for me but my mom tells me when I was getting my vaccinated as a baby, I grabbed the needle and attempted to pull it away, which caused a huge scratch on myself. I've had hallucinations my whole life, pretty much as long as I can remember. Delusions started around age 9. The difference between Nancy and I, I think, is largely birth order. My older brother, my only biological sibling, was very abusive and we were both considered "gifted" children. He was identified early on as being on the spectrum, as a girl, my own disabilities were overlooked. It's incredibly frustrating growing up and being told you're not only "okay", but you're better than everyone else and it's your own fault that you are struggling. Then as an adult, you discover how incredibly unusual and unhealthy your upbringing was. My first suicide attempt was at age 8 or 9, around the time my brother tried to cut my throat. I started cutting myself soon after. I also had a lot of similar traits that Sid had growing up and honestly Nancy feels like a girl I would've gotten into a fight with growing up, and even now I might throw hands if I was forced to interact with her. Other than the "don't ask permission, ask for forgiveness" attitude, I really don't understand Nancy and she reminds me of my brother. So, yes, genes load the gun and stressors pull the trigger. But it's really not that simple. I've been diagnosed with schizophrenia and anti-social personality disorder, and I'm a very violent person in general- but I can count on one hand how many times I've raised my hand to a person in which I have a romantic or platonic relationship. I've been told I can come off as snooty or condescending but I don't think I would tell someone I care for that they're worthless. Labels like schizophrenia, psychology or sociopathy are somewhat reductive but can be helpful. I know schizophrenics who are hugely violent towards others while having an episode, meanwhile I have many hallmarks of a typical sociopath but I'm extremely empathetic towards cats and certain loved ones.

I’m so glad you actually went in depth into Nancy’s life and how much she struggled

@BucketHeadianHagg

2 жыл бұрын

There was a good book called "And I Dont Want To Live This Life" by Nancy's mother, because you get to hear about Nancy from her mothers perspective, but it doesnt really tell what their life was like together as Syd & Nancy. A lot of people who knew them, said that the movie "Syd & Nancy" was pretty close to spot-on. I would love to have read a book by Syds mom.. That would be riviting!

@frances4007

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t trust a book by Nancys mother tbh nor Sids she was involved in his death

@cypher7648

2 жыл бұрын

My sentiment exactly . It's not easy to find good and real information about them . Especially Nancy. 👍✌

@cypher7648

2 жыл бұрын

@@frances4007 really, her own mother, wow. I didn't know that thank you for the information ✌🏻

@joannakneafsey1964

2 жыл бұрын

❤️

I feel sorry for Nancy and her siblings. It must have been terrible for them to feel terrorized by their own sister, and it must have been terrible for Nancy to suffer without help

@Hey___you

Жыл бұрын

I grew up with a brother like Nancy. It wasn’t good, (but luckily I had loving parents.)

@itsaballoonparty

Жыл бұрын

@@Hey___you I’m so sorry, that sounds terrible :(

@user-ow1to2rq9h

9 ай бұрын

I shared a room with a mentally unstable and violent older sister. It was not good. I was terrified.

@cosmari245

8 ай бұрын

@@user-ow1to2rq9h how is she doing now? and you?

@RarityArchive

8 ай бұрын

Lol why do you feel bad for Nancy she was violent, abusive, and manipulative

Nancy’s mom and dad seem like they tried *everything* and did everything right. They sought help relentlessly. They tried their best to Love and nourish her how she needed. And just.. nothing worked. I hope they are both at peace knowing that they were good parents to their daughter regardless.

I have so, so much respect for Deborah Spungen. She seemingly did everything she could to help her child, was let down and ignored by medical professionals, and yet she has the strength and insight to try to understand why they lied. She is strong enough to question what really happened when her daughter died. It would be so much easier to fully blame Sid, especially after that last phone call. And yet again she is honest with herself, she doesn't take the easier option of believing her daughter was about to get better, was about to come back to her. She understands that no matter what happened, no matter who did what, Nancy would not have left that room alive.

@DinoCism

2 жыл бұрын

She is a real paragon of maturity and reflection, in comparison with the cops who are just like "another open and shut case of a dead junkie, good riddance."

@onemillionpercent

Жыл бұрын

i don’t even really care about all these details. it is very, very obvious that nancy’s mother is an amazing human being who tried her best in everything. to parent such a daughter in any way is no easy feat. she tried so hard; i wouldn’t have been able to do it and i know many wouldn’t either. it is sad and unfortunate, the cards she was dealt with nancy, that no doubt had an effect on her entire family - including her other children. of course, it is sad for nancy herself and so on, so forth… but wow. what a woman. i hope the best for her and her family.

@wvu05

Жыл бұрын

​@@DinoCism Indeed. It seems like a lot of cases involve lazy police work, when it seems like just the slightest questioning would have revealed, "He couldn't possibly have done it." I remember Tom Grant quoting someone who said that all you had to do to commit the perfect murder would be to kill a junkie, because the police just wouldn't care.

@cltp6163

Жыл бұрын

Well🤷🏻‍♀️ she did try but what were they really to do? They had no idea what they were doing with mental health back than. They had no idea what was wrong with ppl it’s crazy. Sometimes making so many so much worse

@jsas2047

Жыл бұрын

​@@cltp6163 she did everything she could do, it's the doctors who let her down. Of course they didn't have the same understanding of mental health as we do today but saying "nothing is wrong with your daughter, in fact you should be proud of her behavior!" is just wrong when they knew that wasn't the truth. They were concerned too and just refused to tell her. The least they could do is say "something is wrong, but we don't know what yet, sorry". She practically watched her daughter die for 20 years without any help, comfort or compassion given by the "professionals".

I cannot imagine Deborah’s sadness and exhaustion as a mother - it’s excellent that you’ve showcased the dynamics in this sad story

@stitch8296

Жыл бұрын

She shouldn't let her daughter back even if she wasn't clean her mom didn't care

@janeE011

11 ай бұрын

@@stitch8296obviously you don't read or listen very well

@j0nnyism

6 ай бұрын

Everytime I hear that name I think of the pulp song Deborah

Between the fact that her own mother said that Nancy could make you so angry you'd want to hit her, the fact that drug dealers can be sketchy as hell and kill people for being short like 5 bucks AND the fact that Sid was so unbelievably blitzed that he could barely form a sentence... I 100% think it was the Rockets Red guy. I was a drug addict for many years, and when you're as high as Sid was, you can't even hold onto a thought long enough to do anything. I'd forget what I was saying, what I was doing, reality would be bending around me and I wouldn't even remember where I was. He'd be too sedated and off kilter to have the dexterity to stab her even if he wanted to, especially if she put up a fight. This is all just my opinion, but I really think people underestimate how much opiates, sedatives and hypnotics debiltate you at high doses (and even at normal recreational levels).

@3letterox

Жыл бұрын

i was a drug addict too and it was definitely rockets red glare. also... what a name.

@danielhayes3607

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but you are describing recreational drugs users not addicts.

@bipoc-alypesproductions198

9 ай бұрын

​....he was unconscious to the point that multiple people thought he was dead and when the cops found him he was still barely capable of speaking or holding himself upright. Even if he was used to taking large amounts of narcotics his physical symptoms make it atleast difficult to Believe that he was capable of murder, atleast in that condition.

@JennzOrs

9 ай бұрын

I agree with what you've pointed out here. I've been so high on opiates I couldn't keep my eyes open period, much less use my body to hurt someone. I don't agree that all drug dealers are ruthless killers, though. Most of them will definitely protect themselves if threatened for sure, but not kill unprovoked.

@doesitmatterwhoiam8838

7 ай бұрын

I agree. I think they blamed Sid because one he was a punk rocker and two because the legal system is lazy and just wants to pin the crime on the easiest person to blame.

Wow. You have really humanized Nancy in this video. I knew so little about her before listening to this. You did a fantastic job telling her story. Thank you for that. Nancy went through so much in her very short life. It's hard to believe she was only 20 when she died. I have added this video to my personal favorites playlist.

@michelleobrien6996

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I was the most shocked when after everything he stated she was 20yo when she died 😮

@janeE011

11 ай бұрын

read the mother's book about Nancy "And I Don't Want To Live This Life"

@maryleachmanbeautyconsultant

11 ай бұрын

@@janeE011 I have it. I have read some of it. Thanks.

@robert.m4676

7 ай бұрын

It’s really messed up that a doctor would give advice to a mother to drug a child to fall asleep with a medication that he had no clue the short or long term affects it would have. From what I saw of her she wasn’t bad looking but she really needed help but not the type that wasn’t available at the time. Having gone to AA it truly helped my spirit to slow down and relax more and stop wanting to go full throttle all the time!

Kourtney and Travis romaniticing them is so disgusting and dehumanizing, shows how out of touch these rich celebrities are, also this video is amazing and one of the most tasteful documentaries I've seen

@tobeornottobe9533

Жыл бұрын

Did they dress up like Nancy and Sid or something ?

@Iwanttoblowmybrainsoutrn

Жыл бұрын

​@@tobeornottobe9533oh wtf, yeah they did

@Okay__And

11 ай бұрын

A lot of people romanticize them

@Iwanttoblowmybrainsoutrn

11 ай бұрын

@@Okay__And yeah that's disgusting

@cindythemtflou

9 ай бұрын

​@@Iwanttoblowmybrainsoutrn whattttt no that's so weird

"These were just two young people who brought out the worst in each other and died." Yeah, basically. I found them so iconic when I was a child/teen myself but now that I'm in my mid-20s, they seem like deeply troubled kids to me. I'm shocked that people continue to idolise them, especially Travis (who's 46) and Kourtney (who's 43). Travis has an 18 y/o son and Nancy and Sid died at 20 and 21. Why do you have idols in your kid's age range lmao

@pyxeeful

2 жыл бұрын

That's incredibly weird. I am in my 40s myself, and while I can absolutely vibe to some of the 70s punk style, I cannot understand how people want to play dress up as these sort of figures. I don't know the closest I can come to any representation of these two being emulated comes from Japan. An anime that very much used Cid and Nancy as a metaphor for tragedy and toxicity.

@drimachuck

2 жыл бұрын

@@pyxeeful oh what anime was this???

@pyxeeful

2 жыл бұрын

@@drimachuck it's called Nana.

@Lana-un2qk

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know this 😱

@cheesecake4648

2 жыл бұрын

@@pyxeeful nana was nothing like that

Nancy reminds me so much of my mom, and my brother, who both are diagnosed with NPD, Bipolar type II, and cPTSD. Our whole family would walk on eggshells from the both of their violent outbursts and using their genius to lie, cheat, steal, gaslight, and physically fight. Unfortunately made our entire family infamous between family therapists, resource centers, CPS, and the police…we even had show offers from Dr. Phil and even an independent show offer about “misfit american families”. it was a nightmare to deal with, but over the years, I grew still to empathize they wouldn’t have made our lives so miserable if they weren’t so ill and mental health solutions weren’t so rudimentary back then. It’s a very tough way of growing up, but like Nancy’s mom, I still love them, but the real champion of this story is my Dad. His love for all of us kept me and my other siblings sane and humble.

@jchow5966

Жыл бұрын

So sorry.

@healthycathy9782

Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry for your hardships and humbled by your openness. Thanks. ❤

@ememmichaeludo2044

8 ай бұрын

Wow God bless you and your family but most of all God bless your dad.

@YeshuaKingMessiah

5 ай бұрын

NPD is not an illness It’s a choice Which is why it’s called a *personality disorder* U need to break contact, not feel bad for them

@leeaycock8602

5 ай бұрын

Much love

This is so sad. Both of them didn't have a chance. Thank you for the amount of research you put into this story. When I was around the punk scene in the 80s they were glamorized, it was horrible. This video was my AA meeting for the day. Clean and sober 7 years, I'll never go back to addiction.

You don't do this full time? With the amount of work you put in it? Dude, you're amazing. But take care of yourself and your mental health. True crime can be taxing.

@bangitybangbabang

2 жыл бұрын

I do worry about true crime creators sometimes

@CardsOfFate

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine a big part of why he doesn’t do it full time, his vids get demonetized or age gated, so he doesn’t make ANY money directly from them.

@daniellealessi1838

2 жыл бұрын

Well said 👍

@genghis_connie

2 жыл бұрын

Thinking of this, I'm reminded how underpaid first responders are. These topics and evidence, etc are rough to research. Can't imagine dealing with it in the flesh

@genghis_connie

2 жыл бұрын

@@CardsOfFate Agreed. It bothers me so much. YT could easily do better by altering some guidelines. That said, there are ways he could work around it, like focusing less on CPs and altering the semantics/nomenclature...That said, graphic and exhaustive detail seems to be his forte. Sometimes the CP stuff goes in to unneccessary detail that doesn't further the case. Still, it's his channel, his choice, and his reasoning. I just hope he continues to get more patrons and subscribers: and definitely plenty of mental health breaks.

My son was born in a similar situation to Nancy. Thankfully the staff was kind and gentle in their handling of my son and we were encouraged to hold his hand and speak to him even though we couldn't hold him. 8 months later and my son is the happiest baby, he only ever smiles but I sometimes worry what he went through as far as the procedures and the pain they obviously caused some kind of damage

@ginger7344

2 жыл бұрын

I hope for many more smiles for you both. Love that “he only ever smiles”.

@NinjaGrrrl7734

2 жыл бұрын

My son is long since brown and gone now, and he had to go through a lot of unpleasant medical stuff for his first four years, but it all worked out, his health improved rapidly once he turned 4, and he's a happy, healthy guy now. I think your baby is very lucky to have such a loving mom, your love comes through your words so clearly.

@brycepriar3185

2 жыл бұрын

Same with my daughter. But it didn't go past the u.v. bed for about 20 hrs... and we cheated. We would wrap her in the light blanket and lay her next to us. And maneuver the overhead light right on top of her.. the nurses would make us put her back everytime they caught us. But we would just do it again. She's 10 months now and the happiest baby I've ever known.

@ry.butterfly

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, most babies that have to stay in the NICU do not experience negative mental issues from it later in life. They're too little to remember any of it. I'm sure your boy will be just fine. Sounds like he has a good family around him 💕

@Tetrarque

2 жыл бұрын

Once again to the comment just above, this "they're too little to remember" is not only false but causes lifelong traumas. No need for these medieval garbage beliefs today. Anyways, nice to hear about your baby and how everything is well now

She grew up in a time where they basically sent her to child prison over and over. Anyone would feel more abandoned. That was their only knowledge and guidance of what to do. It's really sad to see how undeveloped mental health knowledge was.

@himesilva

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, I've come across a lot of very unprofessional psychiatrists who have zero interest in what you have to say or your feelings. They tend to act like they've clocked what your problem is from the moment you walk through the door and act quite narcissistic; like they know you better than you know you. No amount of education can supplement actually getting to know your patient and properly observing and listening to them over a number of appointments. In Canada, you meet with some doctor once and they diagnose you. It's a ridiculous and ineffective system that makes me feel like our understanding of mental health is _still_ very undeveloped.

@sauce8545

Жыл бұрын

@annacastro2855 yeah that's a good point , sorry for your experiences

In highschool one of the few people I became close friends with was heavily into the punk rock scene. Occasionally, I would hang out with him and his punk rock friends into our early twenties. I have always been pretty free spirited and independent and connected with them on that level, but they were much more reckless than me. One night I spent the night in an abandoned building with him. Another time we spent the night in a very small clearing in the woods by a stream. The experiences were really interesting, but I was always slightly more prepared for my spontaneous traveling. Preferring to find quick ways to get jobs and legitimate income and fast, legitimate housing when I would suddenly pick up and go. I also wanted to live a long life, but my friend always said he would die young. When I left to travel through many states and was gone for a few years him and his friends got really bad into hard drugs. When I came back they hits out on each other because of drug dealing disputes and were fully addicted to heroin. He passed away last spring of 2022. I was hit hard by that. I had always hoped he was wrong about dying young. He was such a bright soul. I truly loved him. I never asked how he passed away, but I’m pretty sure I know. He visited me in a dream a few weeks ago and I think it was really him. He’s doing just fine :) Maybe his next round will be a bit calmer for him ❤️

@Boing2699

Жыл бұрын

I’m so sorry for your loss. Im glad you can find solace in the good memories and the fact that he’s okay now. Im sure he’s watching over you, proud of you and looking out for you.

@YeshuaKingMessiah

5 ай бұрын

Fast legit housing? Couch surf? Youth hostels in Europe? A tent in a campground? You’re also a farmhand so u live on site? You house sit with a long list of references?

@Blueon123

20 күн бұрын

As Someone who have people who I used to hang with every day, trying to kill me nowadays, fucking crazy how you can go from spending the night in abandoned buildings together sleeping on the floor together and sleeping in the woods together to fucking putting the word out that both of you cannot be on this planet at the same time and getting other people involved to destroy each other, and the people associated with each other, it's all fucked up, fuck gangs (not sure if your story involves gangs but fuck them anyway I don't say fuck gangsters tho)

I love that you’re covering this. Nancy’s mom is a very insightful woman, I suggest everyone interested in this case take some time to listen to her mothers interviews. As a mom myself I truly feel for her.

@lyricberlin

2 жыл бұрын

Nancy's mother was a huge pos. Funny how years change people's perception because she was a nasty piece of work.

@en2p187

2 жыл бұрын

Very insightful and articulate

@InternetWAPx

2 жыл бұрын

It's so unfortunate, her mom seemed to have been willing to do anything for Nancy to be helped the right way, but the system has completely failed them.

@DeadpanVT

2 жыл бұрын

Her mother truly tried her best to get her care to no avail sadly at the time the pride of the doctors made them lie to her instead of saying "we having nothing we can do to assist your daughters mental state." Mental health wasn't good back in the day like it was today her mother did the best she could with the resources available. Sadly I believe Nancy needed a long term facility psychiatric care and antipsychotic medications for her schizophrenia early on that simply wasn't available.

@melinaesposito3434

2 жыл бұрын

Her mother wrote a book called 'And I don't want to live this life'. It's one of the best books I have ever read.

It's so awful that all of this could have been avoided had the medical staff not half assed and dismissed what was going on with her. They could have committed a woman for not wanting to bake a pie for her husband back then and didn't think it was needed when a 7 year old has threatened to kill multiple members of her family and her babysitter?!

@missmoxie9188

2 жыл бұрын

Mental health care was nothing more than a fee for service cartel back then. Pretty sick. They thought the Spungens were exaggerating. It sucks

@k33k32

2 жыл бұрын

Troubled kids must be incredibly difficult to deal with. All kids have rages and behave very antisocially, especially around younger siblings. Many kids have terrible nightmares and many have imaginary friends. Most grow out of it without doing too much permanent damage. But knowing which kids are just going through a phase and which have a real problem that needs to be addressed seems like a real challenge. :-/

@BasedMarysMemoirs

2 жыл бұрын

This comment is amazing I know it’s inappropriate but I can’t stop laughing

@asong4thedead

2 жыл бұрын

This was the 70s, not the 50s.

@PandaMonium92827

2 жыл бұрын

@@asong4thedead I actually did some digging and found out Reagan made involuntary commitment illegal in 1967....but there were still places that were doing it. Willowbrook being the one that comes to mind, but she would have ended up WAY worse if she went there. It seems like the only options were either illegal or just half assed medical personnel.

I read the book “And I Don’t Want to Live This Life” when I was 16 and it provided more color to Nancy’s mental illness (and provided some insight into the final days of her and Sid). I never looked at their relationship as to glamorize/romanticize it; this was not a “star-crossed lovers” situation, however, I knew so many “punk” couples that acted as if they were the next “Sid and Nancy” because back THEN, that’s what was done if you were in the “scene.” Forty years later, I wonder how many other older punks look back on this and see how two people with obvious mental/drug issues were codependent on each other with tragic results. As usual, excellent coverage of this case!!

@user-ow1to2rq9h

9 ай бұрын

I read that book too. It was good to know more. I am sad that they used an Artificial Intelligence narrator on this documentary, because I had to switch off. Couldn't follow it at all.

@seraphim7989

9 ай бұрын

@@user-ow1to2rq9hI’m pretty certain that the voice on this channel is not AI… There are several videos where he’ll lose his “narrator” flow to laugh at something ridiculous stated in a case, & the dates & numerals always seem to be correctly phrased. I’m open to being corrected (as I’m sure I haven’t seen as many of their videos as other viewers) but if that’s what’s holding you back, maybe give it another shot?

I was a punk in Dublin in the late 80s-early 90s and had the Sid Vicious look,even down to the lock around my neck..we were all fucked up in those days,drinking,doing drugs and various antisocial activities including self-harm (i still have the scars). I met my "nancy" in 1989 and we hit it off straight away..we both ended up in a cycle of addiction,drugs,stealing and anything else we could think of..a lot of people we knew in those days were heroin addicts from Dublin and i was very lucky i never tried that drug personally..thankfully i dumped "nancy" in 1991 after she's cheated on me one too many times and i stopped hanging round the city. I got a proper job in 1992 and have been more or less stable ever since.."Nancy" married a guy she met on a blind date and murdered him in his home in 2009 in a row over money..she's still in prison serving a life sentence.

The thought, that even if you do your best to support your child, it can end terribly is haunting to me. I mean, we've all hear about biographies that led into a downward spiral because of abusive parenting, but Nancy's parents genuinely seemed to love and care for her. It's such a tragedy.

@CatherineDoII

Жыл бұрын

That's what scares me too. And even if the circumstances are great, genetics have an impact to a child's life too.

@jojo-7306

Жыл бұрын

@@CatherineDoII genetics but also external traumas that you cannot control. you can be the best parent ever and your child can still go through something horrible that alters their life forever. that's what terrifies me.

@DjDiamstatOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Tough love is also needed

@user-qq2ts2mz1m

Жыл бұрын

@@DjDiamstatOfficial What's also scary is that things you don't even know about can ruin them too, which aren't even solvable by tough love

@user-dz4uu3xi8r

9 ай бұрын

Remember that in this case and many others, it went to hell because they did not get any support. Many many children who are born in pain get the help they need now, and end up living good lives.

“I called Sid Vicious and I called him Simon Ferocious, or something, and he didn't like it at all." - Freddie Mercury

@lottiequirk9673

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I was looking for this comment.

@dollalalalalotsagaming.8276

2 жыл бұрын

@@lottiequirk9673 for what?

@apinchofdisappointment

2 жыл бұрын

Lololol

@mangrove

2 жыл бұрын

"I said 'What are you going to do about it?'"

@genevarh

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, yess, I was wondering if someone would post that

I was the sibling of a childhood schizophrenic in the 80’s. They were not quite as difficult as Nancy but this story is really resonating with our experience. Even in the mid to late 80’s there was no effective treatment for it, nothing until the early 90’s when some new meds became available. My folks were getting the same rigamarole from doctors till my sibling was in their late teens.

I never believed that Sid murdered Nancy. I think Sid was passed out and someone was stealing the money and Nancy caught them. She was then murdered. Sid's passing was just as much as shock as Nancy's death. Such a tragedy to two young lives lost, family, friends and fans. I pray they rest in peace.

@d.b2370

Жыл бұрын

Oh gosh. He k*lled her. He was not even sane at that time.

@Metal_Horror

6 ай бұрын

I believe the same thing. What a horrible situation to be put into. When you enter the world of hard drugs, you *are* entering a world where there are killers and thieves and criminals and innocents. Despite common misconception, addiction doesn't automatically turn someone into anything at all except addicted to their drug. But you are immediately thrust into a culture where murders do happen, people go missing, people know about them and rumors spread, but people keep their mouths shut to the police. I can almost guarantee that local addicts know exactly what happened that night; even people that don't know Sid. I feel for Sid. It's beyond hard growing up having that kind of childhood. He felt a connection to Nancy; another lost soul. R.i.p., brother.

@felixjones9198

5 ай бұрын

Rockets Redglare is the most likely culprit.

@JackieBlue65

3 ай бұрын

Nope

@vtupakkokirjautuu

2 ай бұрын

I have another theory... Nancy thought Sid was dead, stabbed herself in the bed next to him. Maybe regretted or panicked, or just didn't want to make a mess, and walked into the bathroom to bleed out. I don't know all details of the scene, but that would explain the trail of blood Sid followed to find her body.

Before you have too much sympathy for Sid please consider some things that are rarely mentioned about him; He tortured and killed a cat in front of a group of friends. Mark Helfond witnessed the incident and has said he wished he could go back in time and stop it. (Many have also said, it wasn't the only time he had abused/murdered animals.) Sid had a habit of hitting people with his bass guitar. Sid subjected Nancy to beatings on the regular, even breaking her nose and tearing her ear. Sid attacked a journalist with a bike chain. Sid threw a bottle and blinded a woman. He also smashed a bottle on a mans face and hospitalized him.

@antisocialal4799

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they were both POS abusers.

@Thewritingelf

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you posted this. Man was fucking horrible

@truecrimerip7936

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh both seemed like horrible people, but the animal cruelty is the worst thing and such a huge red flag! Disappointing that its kinda downplayed in this video.

@nogodsnomasters6963

2 жыл бұрын

Thx. I hate that people idolize(d) this asshole. I can only wonder, if you're gonna be "edgy" and torture and kill or whatever, why not PUNCH UP instead of kick down?? .... But nah let's go for innocent animals, the troubled af gf, and other people who are being "annoying", or simply around, huh?!

@user-is7xs1mr9y

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for mentioning this. I understand having compassion for people who've had a horrible upbringing, but that doesn't negate their actions that harm others, that doesn't give them a pass to be monsters, the world doesn't owe them anything, and it shouldn't be downplayed.

There’s more to Sid’s death than this. Sid was known for preferring others to shoot him up. Nancy did for him often. As soon as Nancy passed, and he was out on bail, he was with another girl. On the night of his OD they were having a get together, which his Mom attended. Sid asked his new girlfriend to shoot him up. She refused. Sid’s Mom said she would. (Sid and his Mom were more like friends and she was considered one of the gang, as opposed to the typical Mom. She also was into drugs herself). She admitted to giving him a hot dose. Apparently she admitted it on her deathbed years later. A mercy killing. Sid was terrified of being sent to jail for life after being abused in every way when he was in Rikers. Sid’s Mom couldn’t bear the thought of him going to prison for life, and we all know the case was NOT thoroughly investigated. The NY PD figured it was open and shut. Who cares about a couple of junkies anyways was the attitude. Sid was not “famous” more like infamous. She, as a user herself in her life KNEW how much would be too much. She was also warned the heroin was extra pure and to be careful by the friend that got it for Sid. He’d already OD’d on it that night. So supposedly his Mom sent him to heaven herself. There’s a few newer documentaries out, interviewing people that attended that small party. Really interesting. That said even if she didn’t, and he died on his own, he was headed for an early grave. Especially after Nancy died. He was on a binge. The book Nancy’s Mom write was excellent. It’s a shame back in those days the mental health system was not good. The poor family, all of them suffered. May’ve today Nancy could’ve been helped. Who knows. It’s definitely a cautionary tale.

@browniepudding8315

2 жыл бұрын

It’s still like that today. The police don’t investigate deaths of drug users. I know a girl who’s had 6 boyfriends all die with her alone of overdoses in the last couple years and the police don’t investigate cause their all on methadone and benzodiazepines and crack and crystal meth and alcohol I know all of the men and her I even dated her along time ago when I was in active addiction

@iamV10010

2 жыл бұрын

@@browniepudding8315 I know exactly what you mean. My little town has been overrun by drugs, mostly meth and fentanyl, for the last 15 or so years. Most people were already hooked on pain pills and had to turn to heroin after the great crackdown on prescription opiates. Since then suspicious drug deaths have taken over the obituary page in the local paper. I'm talking users found in the middle of nowhere overdosed with zero paraphernalia to suggest they actually died there. One girl was a close family friend. She was found with no head, no hands, and no needles or drugs anywhere. It was assumed she accidentally killed herself and nothing was done. Still unsolved. An ex police officer was rumored to be involved but never proven. He eventually shot and killed a man a few years later and is in prison. The police only care about drug addicts if they can arrest them and throw away the key. So many people have died of an OD under impossible circumstances and it's all brushed under the rug because the public already finds them to be a menace to society and are happy they are gone. It's all so tragic and crazy.

@erust9465

2 жыл бұрын

@@browniepudding8315 It’s so not right or fair!

@magentarae8044

2 жыл бұрын

@@browniepudding8315 wow interesting points, can you name the documentaries?

@amyclare5377

2 жыл бұрын

right...didnt even want to watch bc i knew the true details of Sids death would be skipped over. Good episode tho & learned some new things. Also i notice alot of things popping up about Sid and Nancy and the sex pistols in general. Seen a ad for a new show about the band and they changed the title to X pistols or some nonsense, then I come across this and another new story on them as well. Wondering where all this new interest is stemming from...

My step brother has autism and adhd and he was diagnosed at five. He was hell to grow up with. I found out at 27 (I'm female) that I also have autism and adhd. I didn't act like he did, so nobody including myself suspected we were dealing with the same things.

@kr3642

Жыл бұрын

@Kalimata101 Thanks for your comment, it was sweet. Although I'm a little confused by your first sentence and what it means lol was normal a typo?

@dewiicat

Жыл бұрын

​@@kr3642I think what they meant by that is a lot of people who find out they're autistic in adult life always felt like an outcast when they were a kid because they were struggling with these but never got diagnosed because of the stereotypical picture created. Im not saying that the stereotypical characters are completely inacurrate because autism is a spectrum some people are like the stereotypical presentation but not everybody with autism is like that, everybody is different.

@miffedcuttlefish6139

11 ай бұрын

Dont forget. Boys and girls are different so it manifests differently.

@kr3642

11 ай бұрын

@@miffedcuttlefish6139 I know. That's why I commented this.

@Camille_Anderson

9 ай бұрын

​@@dewiicatas someone with autism and ADHD, I find the failure of so many in the field to be horrendous. I had years of .nasty females saying I was too pretty to have autism and that if I could dance, then I can't be autistic either. The NHS needs better specialists because so many people are suffering in silence with self loathing and depression for years.

When I was in high school (graduated in '94) the romanticization of Sid and Nancy seemed to be at it's peak. I was reintroduced to them while researching The Chelsea, and I was saddened by their real story. I read Deborah's book "And I Dont Want to Live This Life" and she fought to the bitter end for her daughter.

@pinkjeepin7777

6 ай бұрын

Yeah cuz of Kurt and Courtney. They were our Sid and Nancy. So many similarities between the 2 couples.

@YeshuaKingMessiah

5 ай бұрын

It’s peak was way before that

I think it’s unique that the hotel had exotic animals like toucans just roaming freely in the rooms, but also leaves me to wonder how clean the hotel actually was

@pussycat6995

2 жыл бұрын

Ophelia, Yes I agree with you for sure! Quite surprising how many exotic animals like the one you mentioned and Albino catfish ,iguana and Sea Turtle!

@grungeisdead8998

11 ай бұрын

Considering Sid was a heroin junkie and a punk rocker I'd assume it was pretty dingy

@samthunders3611

10 ай бұрын

That's not true lol

@TheMillieSmalls

8 ай бұрын

The hotel was filthy

@samthunders3611

8 ай бұрын

@@TheMillieSmalls you were there!?

As an anx-ridden young teen, I read, “And I Don’t Want to Live This Life” written by Nancy’s mother. It painted an extremely compassionate picture of Sid Vicious & became the foundation of the romanticised legend that is now, “Sid & Nancy”. In hindsight it’s a traumatised, mourning mothers attempt to explain the short & chaotic, train-wreck that was the life & infamous death of her broken child…

@CosmicEremite

2 жыл бұрын

Angst

@beer1403

2 жыл бұрын

I think u mean Nancy. U really did not read the book.

@addiesadler9377

2 жыл бұрын

I read the book and it was sad but Nancy had a very loving and supportive family,I think they did their best with her and they had their hands full

@ladymargaret778

2 жыл бұрын

If you believe ms spungeons book sparked the sid and nancy myth you are mistaken. Nancy's mother despised Sid and when Sids mother asked if she could lay her son to rest next to Nancy she declined.

@SalamanderTeeths

2 жыл бұрын

Forever going to say anx instead of angst from here on.

Man, idk why, but that first photo of toddler Nancy is terrifying.

As a teen that loved punk music I was fascinated by this case. I never knew Nancy and her family's struggles. My heart goes out to them. What a heartbreaking situation...

The fact that after having one child like Nancy, they went on to have 2 more, is a miracle.

@PhoenixRoseYT

2 жыл бұрын

People do it all the time, unfortunately. Have a kid with issues, sometimes even horrible genetic conditions, then have more kids.

@yennefer440

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhoenixRoseYT how is it unfortunate?

@jennifera8579

2 жыл бұрын

@@yennefer440 because they go on to usually neglect the first child and use the other children as substitutes which is damaging for all the children involved

@ry.butterfly

2 жыл бұрын

@@yennefer440 well if you're born into a family where your older brother or sister is manipulative, attention seeking, self centered, and violent, you're gonna be dealing with a lot of pain and trauma brought on by that sibling.

@missminti

2 жыл бұрын

Pregnancy is just something that “happened” to women back then. I can guarantee she didn’t want more children.

A comment on the bit about "sleep training" for infants.... In my opinion, it is horrible. Don't let your baby "cry it out." If your baby wants to be held, hold her. "Crying it out" was recommended when my first son was young. Not a chance. There's no such thing as "spoiling a baby." Hold your babies. Show them affection. It's better that way.

@mentosfairy

2 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely right. I was allowed to “cry it out” as a baby and, without getting too personal, it was very detrimental to my emotional development.

@spikesgirl9371

2 жыл бұрын

It was huge when my son was a baby. We tried it for about 5 minutes. My husband and I looked at each other and both agreed it doesn't feel right. That was it. If you try something with your kid and your 6th sense says no listen to it.

@aimeekova

2 жыл бұрын

100% I tried it for about a few minutes and every fibre of my being told me it was totally wrong… babies need to feel safe, secure and loved.

@BeautifulDaynThaHood

2 жыл бұрын

Agree fully

@naiakiki

2 жыл бұрын

Can confirm. This along with early childhood medical trauma set me up for a fun life of cptsd lol

What a nightmare for her parents and siblings.

@merricat3025

6 ай бұрын

It was just a matter of time before she died or killed someone.

To me this was your finest piece of work so far dreading. You did a really fair and unbiased assessment, of the mental torture and chaos both of these people were going through, and how so many took advantage of that. I am quite sure many on the scene were likewise just as miserable, but then there were those capitalizing on their misery. Which I find truly sickening. I wish they could have found help, as the survivor of a loved ones suicide; I know the deep agony and regrets that go with it. It never leaves you entirely, and for many they become suicidal, what kept me alive was vowing never to put my loved ones through the pain I endured and still endure. I like to think we SOS ( survivors of suicide) live the rest of our lives fighting for the lives of people just like Sid and Nancy, I know I do.

Hey I wanted to let you know that the speed of release of your videos is really amazing but if you ever overwork yourself it’s ok go take breaks. I appreciate the way you approach cases and how seriously you take them. A lot of true crime channels treat these cases like high school drama when people lose their lives but you treat the victims with respect. I have a huge respect for you and your content

@RoeBoats

2 жыл бұрын

yes!! couldn’t agree more

@ncika447

2 жыл бұрын

Yess

@cheesecake4648

2 жыл бұрын

youtube makes it that if you don't release videos a lot you will fall under the radar.

@taylorkramsay5929

2 жыл бұрын

7

@dollalalalalotsagaming.8276

2 жыл бұрын

Who treats it like Highschool Drama. Please name them who? Cause you FANS love to start drama yourselfs between channels. Saying they treat it like school drama but never mention any channels. Smh please name them or dont start this type of shhh drama, this only come from you guys the immature fans.

I watched Sid and Nancy when it came out in a funky art movie house. I was hooked from the beginning. I appreciate all the details in your video! My daughter was born with the umbilical cord around her neck 9 times, she also was jaundice and me and her father couldn't hold her while she was incubated. When she was 12 she started doing drugs....I won't go into all the details but it was hell. 22 years later she is clean and going to have my first grandchild. This story made me cry. I'm so blessed we have a chance to start over.🙏

@mariaduszak9064

2 жыл бұрын

I wish every hurt soul, everyone of us born to die, doomed from the start by medical issues, trauma, abuse has a chance at healing.. How I hope none of us are beyond saving..

@OfficialJoyski

2 жыл бұрын

Why would she be doing drugs at 12 🤔

@serena1951

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfficialJoyski right makes u wonder theres smth op aint sayin clearly she and the father of her child was responsible in some way or another cause like 12 years old?! come on now hell na

@KoraWade

2 жыл бұрын

@@serena1951@Joya Joyski ... have you been to a middle school these days? It is full of drugs. The one i went too kids were sneaking vodka in their waterbottles, and edible's in their lunches. One kid was even busted making lean in his locker. Gone are the day's of kids turning to drugs just because they have been abused mentally or physically. It can happen to anyone, even the nicest, most mentally stable person. (before the drugs) So don't start blaming this mother for her child, because you have no idea what her life is. And obviously you have no idea on drugs in middle schools.

@KoraWade

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfficialJoyski Look at my comment in this thread

Im so glad that you started this story with the horrible start Nancy had into her life. Because that's how the whole tragedy began. I recommend Deborah Spungens book to everyone who's interested, also in the question did Sid really k... Nancy, but of course there are motr and better sources, as Deborah wasn't there when it happened.... They all went though a real nightmare. But even what Deborah, her daughter with the whole family went through is something very different. You became one of my favourite creators in a few weeks. Greetings from Germany

This is a really amazingly put together video. As someone who knew nothing about the sex pistols and their intense importance in music history, not even knowing who sid vicious was other than the name. You completely blew my mind with how humanising this video was, no mythologising or over sympathising with their bad behaviour, just straight facts with many important views and details. Great work :)

Writing them off as 'junkies' is easily done but all I can think about is 2 young messed up kids. I've never idolised them but always felt sympathetic, the fact she called her mum & wanted them both in rehab makes it even more tragic. They would both only be in their 60s now, it's sad they never got the help they needed or a chance to turn their lives around🥺

@DinoCism

2 жыл бұрын

"I've never idolised them but always felt sympathetic" I feel like once you are older than 13 that's really the only take away from all this that a decent person could have. I still enjoy the music but the circumstance under which it was made (the band's manager taking advantage of all these working class kids with drug abuse and mental health issues to make money) is pretty nauseating when looked at with even the slightest scrutiny.

@emilyk1109

2 жыл бұрын

​@@DinoCism I don't think most people who idolise Nancy and Sid are actually indecent idiots, at least not willingly (expect for that particular species of Vicious worshipping posers in their mid twenties). When you're in your late teenage to early adult years and happen to be in a horrible mental state (or, to a lesser degree, going through your edgelord years), it's very easy to find at least one of them, if not both, somewhat relatable. I think quite a lot of people use their obsession with them as a coping mechanism to get by; watching other people self-destruct in order to carry on yourself. Young people have always sought out media they could relate to, and it's easy to forget that Sid & Nancy were actually alive not too long ago, versus simply being fictional archetypes. I couldn't picture someone who's neither mentally ill nor a moron idolising them.

@Novi903

Жыл бұрын

😢🙏🙏💔😭

@deadcopfiend777

10 ай бұрын

Rehab doesn’t work for everyone, some people are better off using.

@themudpit621

4 ай бұрын

@@deadcopfiend777 or staying on substitution therapy, but that's only available for some things.

Love your content. I’m amazed at how well spoken Nancy’s mother, Deborah, is. Seems like she did her best to understand what was wrong with her child and wasn’t given the information she needed in time. Very sad story altogether

@Accountnolongerexists

2 жыл бұрын

Many abusive narcissists are well spoken and are very good at making people think they are doing everything to care for their victims when they are in reality abusing and neglecting them.

@Thewritingelf

2 жыл бұрын

@@Accountnolongerexists So...how did you get from that that she's an abusive narcissist 😕 ?

@lyricberlin

2 жыл бұрын

Her mother was a HUGE POS

@asiderealday

2 жыл бұрын

@@Accountnolongerexists galaxy brain comment, thanks for sharing magdalena

@yennefer440

2 жыл бұрын

@@Accountnolongerexists dog, what are you talking about

I read “And I Don’t Want to Live This Life” in my teen years, and it has both shaped me and haunted me as someone who has always wanted to be a parent. Deborah Spungen is an incredibly resilient, courageous and loving woman. What happened to this family is a tragedy hard to fathom.

I’ve known about Sid and Nancy, I’ve seen their image but that’s it. You did a wonderful job telling their story. It was a whole ride, so emotional and you told it with respect. I feel so bad for Nancy’s family. The love her mother had for her was unconditional, you can just tell by the way she talked about her and tone. Deborah really cared for her. I feel for her

The fact that this entire relationship even got romanticized…..

So essentially from the day of her birth, she was 100% doomed. I'm also shook by the fact that we're the same age, well I'm the age she died at. That makes it more haunting for me because I feel as if my life hasn't even begun whereas she went through so much in the little time she was alive, even if some of it was self inflicted. Same with him. He was so young and went through so much crap. May both of them rest in peace.

@isabelp187

2 жыл бұрын

right!! im 21 and when he said she was only 20 when she died i was like WOAHHH, she had been through so much and also done so much in her short life, she also must have been very brave to be a groupie at such a young age, seeing as tho she was probably 17 or 18 when she started, i would have been terrified, i guess it was a different time

@xox6663

2 жыл бұрын

I'm 19 and I feel the same way..... I want thrill and adventure in my life but in a different way........ I hope I never ever go through anything of this sort.

@falconeshield

Жыл бұрын

Nancy, yeah. I send no good wishes to an animal killer

My daughter had a similar experience as Nancy. Here in Oregon newborns are expected to be brought to their pediatricians for blood tests which are drawn thru the bottom of the foot - the foot is punctured & then 5-6 smears of blood are placed on pre-printed squares on a paper card. If the blood doesn't flow freely, as in my daughters case, they squeeze the puncture quite fiercely to get the blood out. This procedure was done on my 5 day old by lab technicians in white coats. After that every time we visited her doctor she would scream in fear till I realized it was the doctor's white lab coat that set her off. Once the doctor removed it she was fine & so it went on file "no lab coats". My daughter was less than a month old. She also had night terrors for the first year that doctors attributed to this early lab work.

I am born 1977, in my youth I never understood the hype about Sid. Or their hyped "romance". Toxic is toxic and his behavior was appalling, whether having done what he did with his "love" or he didn't. Sometimes culture doesn't get it. Now with 46, I am more convinced than ever this was a toxic relationship. Back then, nobody explained to me what toxic was but it just doesn't or didn't feel right.

This was crazy to hear in this way. I only ever heard glorified interpretations of this story and this version of events is so much sadder than anything people make it out to be

@Sydney1903

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. I’m a millennial and I had friends in high school who were obsessed with this couple and wanted to dress and be like them. I had no idea that Nancy was this unwell.

@MaleTears

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sydney1903 yeah same! I’ve always been in alternative social circles and everyone still idolizes them. Young punk couples aspiring to be like Sid and Nancy still to this day. So misguided

@TwoBs

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, that’s one of the sad outcomes of this whole ordeal: the romanticization of this couple as something “cool” and “edgy”, mostly by young audiences. Doesn’t help when media has helped paint that picture of them, some even being songs that put out this image as some sort of relationship goals or that this type of relationship is “normal” in a sense that it’s okay to just constantly abuse each other because it goes against social norms. The pair was incredibly toxic and degrading to one another. It was just one unfortunate event after another once they met. Far from the idols they’ve been portrayed as being.

@JW-oo7nb

2 жыл бұрын

Listen to the “Disgraceland” podcast. It has a story about them that is really interesting. Most of the stores are interested. The Rolling Stones ones are great. There are some wild stories of musicians I never knew.

it always shocks me when i realise how YOUNG they were. they were basically kids, both of them

When it comes to hard drugs, JUST SAY NO. I know it's a cliché, but it is good advice if you want to live a good, long, productive and happy life. Trust me, I'm an addict of 35 years and I wish I never took heroin or cocaine, etc...

In another documentary (The last 24 hour of Sid Vicious) they said his mother made a confession right before her fatal overdose in the 90s, which was that she assisted Sid in his suicide. She said he was too out of it to inject himself, so his mother asked his new girlfriend to leave his room, where she entered and injected him "with enough heroin to kill 2 people" (quote from their band manager). She knew he would probably be found guilty and he didn't want to spend the rest of his life in prison (after he was released on bail, one of his bandmates said that he'd been sexually assaulted and beat up while incarcerated and that he couldn't handle the thought of going back). It's pretty interesting.

14:53 The way the Dr's gave Nancy's mom and family no advice and just gaslighted her is infuriating. I greatly appreciate this video and adding humanity to their story. It is truly awful how Nancy entered this world so tramaticly it shaped her whole life.

@Novi903

Жыл бұрын

😢😢

As a big punk fan I used to look up to Nancy and want to be like her when I was a teenager but now I realize I am like her in that we both struggled with mental health issues, substance abuse and low self worth. Those things are not fun things to be. I think young teens think it would be fun or crazy to be like these two but trust me, I’ve lived some of that life and nothing positive comes from it.

@stefanforrer2573

Жыл бұрын

i just don't get why people think it would be fun to be a violent, psychotic asshole....

@00loudog

Жыл бұрын

I’ve lived it too and it’s not fun it changes you when I was a teen I thought shooting heroin like my dad and these people would be cool and it’s not

@jerrycraig6522

Жыл бұрын

Nothing

@ryguy-qh2qk

10 ай бұрын

One of the hardest parts of adolescence is that unexplainable desire for death and destruction/ self destruction. It causes so many lives to be lost, destroyed or damaged. I wish myself that I would have understood it better when I was younger. I feel like self destruction is a way of escaping reality and yourself. It was for me 100% and it ended in me being so so lost. I’m barely just now finding/making myself positively and changing my self destructive behaviors. I am 19 and I can’t let myself live another SECOND willingly destroying and killing myself in every way possible, I never deserved that and hope I never get that far away from myself ever again. It hurts me knowing how many people suffer through things like this during this part of life, it’s the most helpless thing I will ever feel. Everyone deserves to love themselves no matter what, and I love you too. Don’t give up on yourself no matter what.

@hgreen8666

9 ай бұрын

I was like that when I was born. I was jaundiced and premature, a very tiny baby. I had behavioural issues at primary school, I used to run around trying to hit teachers, I used to tip the other children off their chairs, tried to cut the girls hair off with scissors, I’d scream madly when punished, yes I was an absolute bloody little terror, fortunately I grew out of this, poor Nancy didn’t.

Her whole life was just heartbreaking 💔💔 This is such a sad sad case ! RIP Nancy

An amazing life story of two people who unfortunately never really knew the feeling of safety, security or the true feeling of loving sober.

"And I Don't Want to Live This Life" has been one of my favorite books since I was a teen. I'm really glad you went into that level of research before making this because, honestly, everybody wants to make it about SID & Nancy, but it's really about NANCY, a life of trauma, and a murderer.

@siphotheguy1870

2 жыл бұрын

Sid had a pretty screwed up childhood too (his mother was a prostitute and heroin addict). When two very damaged people get together bad things are bound to happen. Damaged violent people are attracted to each other. John Lydon (Johnny Rotten) has expressed deep regret at letting Sid in to the band because it was the thing that pushed him over the edge. Both Sid and Nancy needed help not fame.

@MandaMalice

2 жыл бұрын

I’m so glad you commented this!! I was going to skip this video because I love this channel and was worried it would change my opinion if this channel. I did a book report on And I Don’t Want To Live The Life in middle school/jr high and it changed my view of this whole situation. I also suffered from oxygen deprivation at birth and it’s impacting my life in many ways. As the parent of Autistic children, I believe it’s very possible Nancy was Autistic.

@bianca952000

2 жыл бұрын

Me, too. Read it in high school and still have a copy on my book shelf. Deborah Spungen did a remarkable job, both with the book and her life.

@coriettapadilla9977

2 жыл бұрын

@Angie M I finished that book a few months ago for the first time and I loved it. It was truly sad how she was in pain all her life. I almost feel bad how people degraded her so bad. Even though she still had choices in life deep down she just wanted to feel better. Idk if that makes sense but it just gave me a different outlook about Nancy.

@Gefahrbabushkin

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. I was a typical pistols fan at 14 who loved Sid and hated Nancy. Then, I read her mums book and I’d argue that she is now my favourite of the two, in that i feel so protective of her. So tragic.

Like most dysfunctional celebrities and artists: sounds like an absolutely miserable existence. I have no idea why or how anyone romanticizes dysfunction of this magnitude. We as a human race are very sick & depraved.

@marsoblivi0n945

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what sid was rebelling against. It’s a cycle

@officer.azzhole

2 жыл бұрын

@@marsoblivi0n945 like they say: "Be careful not to become what you hate." This is also happening in politics, currently.

@katie5998

2 жыл бұрын

I can't believe such an insightful comment comes from someone with the username of 'Fart Sniff' lmao. Jokes aside, you're absolutely right. People have a tendency to either villainize the bad or romanticize it. Their version of reality is distorted. I think it's a coping mechanism. If you disassociate the bad aspects of humanity from the good, it's easier to see things as black and white. Ambiguity is scary. Objectivity is apathetic. There's no in-between.

I'm absolutely blown away with the research and information you've conveyed in this documentary. It is undoubtabley the most comprehensive, and in my personal opinion, the best that I have ever seen on this subject. Incredible work! Thank you for these videos! I believe this was the one that made me subscribe, this is my 2nd time watching it. Can't wait for the Gary Ridgeway / Green River documentary, and I'm sure I won't be disappointed!

I just recently came across your channel & I’m obsessed!!! You do wonderful in-depth research… I am so glad I found you ! Lol. I’ve been binge watching for weeks … & I am a nurse that works from home 3 days a week & my hubby is a detective.. he is even listening to you now lol. Keep up the great work & good luck with your endeavor… forever grateful Kitty

I have a brother much like Nancy…It was very stressful growing up with him. He’s now 29 and still with my parents. He cannot hold a job and refuses to go on any medication. My parents took him to psychiatrist after psychiatrist..they tried everything. They still do.

@zeb1995

Жыл бұрын

unfortunately I know 2 unmedicated, middle aged schizophrenics, now in their 50s still living at home with very elderly parents (90/80s), everyone just gave up after numerous attempts to get help... what will happen to them when the parents die no one seems to know, 0 support, no one talks about it...

@onemillionpercent

Жыл бұрын

i really really feel for the parents in all these evades. they’re stuck at a dead end. idk if i’d be able to do it, man. i pray for more understanding from these kids and willingness to be receptive to help.

@bm-ww8kb

Жыл бұрын

@@zeb1995 what country do you live in

@badillanadia2365

Жыл бұрын

@@bm-ww8kb the USA State Tennessee I'm breaking down

@addisonaddy6118

Жыл бұрын

@@bm-ww8kb Just saw this..USA

This makes me curious to know more about Courtney Love and Kurt Cobain's relationship and his passing. Great video, I never knew about Nancy's traumatic childhood and obvious struggles early on

@flobwad

2 жыл бұрын

I know a woman who grew up in the Seattle grunge scene, and despite never knowing Kurt or Courtney personally, she had many friends that did. Courtney was a compulsive liar, and was extremely manipulative and abusive towards Kurt, and towards anyone who had befriended her. Kurt wasn't an angel either (according to my friend's friends, he was very standoffish and cold), but he was incredibly mentally unstable, and was diagnosed with severe bipolar disorder only two months before he committed suicide.

@prettypennyschannel

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think Courtney was the only one involved with his murder. I think Dave Grohl mightve been involved too.

@flobwad

2 жыл бұрын

@@prettypennyschannel Kurt Cobain was NOT fucking murdered. And by saying that you’re insulting millions of people who are struggling with strong suicidal thoughts and behavior.

@prettypennyschannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@flobwad Yeah m0tgerf#cker he was. And I have a right to say it. And f#ck your stupid f#,cking Millenial/Zoomer feelings and bullshit!! My statement and others don't insult other victims. But your appropriating the feelings of other victims for this tacky virtue signal does. And only the dumbest @ssh0les fall for it. Furthermore, Cuntney was also involved with murdering her bassist, and El Ducci as well as Kurt. All three of them either said no to Cuntney or tried to leave it. That's why Kat is so scared to say anything. The receipts were delivered on all of that in the 90s. So deal with it Snowflake.

@sidology1.0

2 жыл бұрын

@@flobwad then why did the guy that mentioned some clues on that case randomly died?

Constantly dosing an infant with barbiturates for… crying, and then wondering why the child has impulse issues later on is quite interesting.

@lesyeuxsansvisage1157

Ай бұрын

It wasn’t uncommon for the time, unfortunately. People used to put liquor on pacifiers and give it to babies. I was born with heavy metal poisoning and given drops of dilauded as a baby, as the doctors thought I would die from the constant pain, I doubt doctors would do this now. I think if her mother had that knowledge, back in the bloody 50’s, she wouldn’t have done it. That said, it was VERY common in the 50’s, when Nancy was born.

Banned from Colorado for weed, decades later they were first state legal😂🤣 the irony

It seems like a lot of these cases starts with undiagnosed autism. The lack of information on such things leads to horrible consequences As someone with autism the things they describe are the things we experience and just ignoring us or yelling at us or restraining us doesn’t fix anything.

@user-is7xs1mr9y

2 жыл бұрын

so are all undiagnosed autistic people violent?

@kikikiller1153

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same, I'm autistic and finally going to turn 21, and live in a country where autism is greatly overlooked, I too did s*x work and drugs in my teens to cope and it only got better after I got my diagnose at 19 yo and honestly I never thought I would live a day past 21. Nancy needed help, and I agree that if she got her diagnose sooner she could've lived a happy life.

@skrittle555

2 жыл бұрын

nancy was diagnosed with schizophrenia. sensory overload and similar things can happen in chronic psychosis. it's like all of your senses are heightened, all of the time, and it's fucking exhausting. i recommend "surviving schizophrenia: a family manual" for a more nuanced understanding. not saying she couldn't have been autistic, but it's a bit odd to slap port mortem armchair labels on someone just because you relate to them. sorry if i'm a bit blunt. i'm psychotic lmao

@beepboopblorp

2 жыл бұрын

I’m also autistic and was thinking the same thing! Out of curiosity, what characteristics made you think it was undiagnosed autism?

@Coastpsych_fi99

2 жыл бұрын

And adhd as a mix. She seems to have a complex case maybe bpd as well.

Thank you for this compassionate background on Nancy, I hadn’t heard this before. It sounds like she had reactive attachment disorder. This is very serious and she needed help that she clearly didn’t get.

I was Jaundice when I was born. It's fairly common, in a baby its called Neonatal jaundice it's no big deal, they just put you under UV lights and it usually clears up in a few days. So Nancy had to have something else going on to call for such procedures, not just Jaundice in and of itself.

@alphooey

5 ай бұрын

Yeah they don’t do blood transfusions for jaundice.

@ImogenePrivett

Ай бұрын

She was almost dead and there was a significant amount of time she was without oxygen there’s also probable brain damage add that to her schizophrenia doesn’t make for a good outcome

I love that Deborah Spungen named her book after words directly written by Sid Vicious. “And I don’t want to live this life if I can’t live for you”. He wrote a poem by that name for her after her death.

You should totally cover the death of ana mendieta! She was a hugely renowned artist who people believe foreshadowed her own death within her work. Her partner at the time (and whom some would suggest, alleged killer) is an equally famous artist focusing on minimalist sculpture. The lore behind her life and death is very well known within the art world however it would be amazing to see you cover this for a more mainstream audience. Just a suggestion! Love your vids keep up the amazing work!

@noposguau1288

2 жыл бұрын

I want to see dreading’s take on this one to !!

@eCodex

2 жыл бұрын

the deaths of ana mendieta & eva hesse will equally haunt me. hesse died of cancer but the way doyle faltered in her shadow (and some of their shared writings) always left me in with such a massive pause-same for mendieta & andre. the earth-bodies series is just so visceral and haunting

@kyla4236

2 жыл бұрын

!!

@ogi1337

Жыл бұрын

This

@ItsKrma00

Жыл бұрын

Did you email your suggestion? I'd love to see it as well.

Two broken people that just destroyed each other imo. It’s really tragic and hearing the details makes me wonder why so many people idolize such a toxic relationship. They truly needed help but Sid’s mother failed him and Nancy’s parents tried only to be turned away. Truly tragic 😞 great video though! I had heard of Sid and Nancy before but not in much detail, so your video really was great in setting up their lives and the events of Nancy’s death.

This was probably the most informative story I've heard on Sid & Nancy. Very well done. I had no idea there was even an interview with Nancy's mother. Thank you.

Donnatal was frequently prescribed for colic symptoms in babies in the late 50's and 60's. It contains phenobarbital, a and is used to treat seizure disorders. It worked as far as calming babies who cried constantly because of it's sedating effect. Studies later done on rats showed a predisposition for schizophrenia and behavioral issues. I wonder if the tongue sticking out was tardive dyskinesia. Great video as always

@davidlinehat4657

10 ай бұрын

I don't mean to pick on your comment bc it definitely has the ring of truth to it, but how do rats show signs of schizophrenia? Do they show signs of disordered thinking while running mazes or something along those lines?

@kimia2308

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@davidlinehat4657 rats exhibit symptoms of aggression and agitation, different eating and sleeping patterns, etc. Their behavior can be altered if given drugs compared to a control group without the drug. Animals do have personalities yes, but they are animals and have basic needs of survival so drugs can alter those “normal behaviors” and that can link to what drugs do. Anyways you can look it up on google how mice and rats are used for biological models.

@janii4

9 ай бұрын

​@@davidlinehat4657Apparantly, yes. Google it.

I remember watching your very first video and checking your channel, in an effort to watch more of your content, to see you not only had that single video with no others, but only a thousand subscribers or something.. you deserve all of this attention and every last sub and a million more.

This story is the first time hearing this on your channel... You really did your homework/research (I was locked in)... Just subscribed🙂.... Can't wait to learn more crimes you report. Thank you for the time you take doing what you do. 👌🏽

It's so crazy to think back then Nancy was considered overweight

@desertrose1226

11 ай бұрын

Was she? She was never fat. I think her weight used to go up & down a bit - sometimes she’d look fuller, sometimes skinny…

@TopSecretInformations

9 ай бұрын

Marilyn Monroe, an infamous sex symbol and beauty icon was size 14. Which is considered plus size. Weird eh? _they'll always find something 'wrong' with you no matter what you are, so just love yourself and avoid the asshØlès_ .

@VishusVenom

9 ай бұрын

@@TopSecretInformations Lmao See? Like I said, fat as a mf and making excuses. You’ll never have a decent man, and that’s just 1 of dozens of reasons why. I bet you don’t even have mirrors in your trailer.

if you ever need a break dreading feel free man don’t burn yourself out you put a lot of work into these

It's absolutely a shame about Nancy. I genuinely believe she had childhood schizophrenia at an early age; which is rare & one of the worst forms of the disease. My mother had environmental schizophrenia & developed it as a young German child running from the bombs & the horrors of Nazi Germany. I have much compassion for Nancy & her family who did everything they could possibly could & unfortunately during a time in medical understanding, where they really didn't understand the disease & even all these years later they have a clearer understanding, but still don't know about the "why". My mother was a talented artist & an absolute beauty. My childhood was hell when she went to the dark side of the disease, since I was her only child & she married two airline pilots back to back who flew international, they were out of the home for weeks at a time. So I dealt with her insanity at those times, until she went into the hospital again. I was told by her, if you ever tell anyone what goes on in this house, I will kill you. You never knew when the shoe would drop, she would come out of the hospital fully adjusted with meds & then eventually she would stop taking those meds & the cycle would begin again. When I was sent to Cali at 16 to live with my father, I never saw my mother again for 22 years. She had no desire to see me & I had no desire to trigger my trauma. In the end, she was alone, destitute & I came back to take care of her, more so for myself. When I saw her the first time back she had missing teeth, and hair that wasn't combed for years & she was emotionally gone like she had had a full medicinal lobotomy. This was horrifying to me, because even with her disease, in her clarity & that could be for a year at a time or more she was a Goddess. I asked my mother why she did the things she did to me & but she couldn't remember. She passed away about 4 years after I came back, but I am proud of myself, that I came back. I was told by those who knew about her & my relationship with her; that they would not have been able to do that. I just had to for my closure. Those who have a family member with this terrible disease know exactly what it's like to see a person you love...fall apart & there really isn't anything you can do about it & especially when they stop taking their meds.

@khadyadjisall5708

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry this happen to you. May God bless you and your family.

@rainebolton6495

2 жыл бұрын

My sister suffers with this. I can't imagine the pain of having a mother with it!! You are a stronger person than me. I spent most of my adult life running because of it. I love my sister & love to see her, but live & support her when she is really bad just makes every fibre in my being want to run. You should absolutely be proud of yourself, i admire you a lot!

@bojomoonlight

Жыл бұрын

i’m so sorry you had to go through that. you are a truly strong person and a blessing on this earth

@Novi903

Жыл бұрын

😢🙏😢😭💔

Growing up, I used to see people like them as icons, a representation of all the repression and angst I felt as I got into my teens. These days, being around the age they were at their peak, I realize how they were simply human beings like me. They grew up deeply troubled, and the fact they became famous as they did made people forgive and forget everything they did far too quickly. Nowadays, I don’t think people could get away with the things they did back then. Then again, fame and idolization still make people see celebrities as much more than humans with their own issues and flaws. I just hope more get that blindfold off, and maybe the music industry will become a bit of a safer and healthier place.

I realize this was posted a while back, but just wanted you to know that IMO, your documentaries are very captivating. I lived out my teenage years in the 70s. What a wonderful time to be alive, not that today isn't. I look at these two people and can't help but feel a bit heartbroken. Both so beautiful with so much potential, and yet, both unable to over come their ultimate foes, themselves.

This is the BEST video I have watched about this case. I always found both Nancy and Sid to be tragic characters since childhood. They never stood a chance. I never believed Sid killed Nancy. I hope they have found peace.

@crimedogs

2 жыл бұрын

Yes this is a lovely comment. I hope so too!

This was the most interesting and informative dive into Sid and Nancy’s notorious relationship I’ve watched. I was a 16 year old at the time and remember the headlines in our UK press. She was pretty much despised. I didn’t know anything about the struggles of her childhood and felt for her family. She clearly was not right in the head from her earliest beginnings. Thanks for this upload I appreciate the work

It is hard to imagine the nurses being cold to a sick baby. I have known nurses who were off duty who spend time just holding and loving a sick baby! what kind of sick ass hospital was this monster born in?

I never knew their story. I think this was the best way to learn about it with all the facts and Nancy’s mom is a wonderful woman. Absolutely amazing. Excellent story and your research is flawless. Thank you so much. 🙏🏻

Surf Shark is one of the very few sponsors willing to back this genre. Much appreciated 💯. Stay safe everyone

I found the book Nancy’s mom wrote years ago and its one of the most memorable book I’ve ever read. Just a difficult true story. I never found any coverage on it and always felt it deserved more attention.

@zskt4205

2 жыл бұрын

What was the name of the book?

@lyricberlin

2 жыл бұрын

It was a book of lies raping Nancy's corpse to make money

@tokyo9582

2 жыл бұрын

@@zskt4205 And I don’t want to live this life by Deborah Spungen

Just found your page as a recommendation. I love it! So thoughtful to all parties affected. ❤

Wow she was a sociopath with attachment disorder...poor kid..

@user-il5mq6tb9m

3 ай бұрын

I think.she had BPD

I think they had a suicide pact. They wanted to do some Romeo and Juliet shit. Him with poison(drugs) and she stabbed herself. That’s why Nancy called her mom to say goodbye. I know she had multiple stab wounds and it seems unlikely but Nancy had a history of being able to hurt herself to get what she wanted as well as a history of multiple suicide attempts. Not to mention, she asked her body guard to get her painkillers specifically, just hours prior. In a schizophrenic delusion while on painkillers, I don’t find it too unlikely she would be able to stab herself. But on the amount of barbiturates Sid was on, he probably wouldn’t of been able to stand. He likely doesn’t even remember that night. As for the missing money, with an “open door policy”, any junkie or their body guard could’ve just come in and taken it.

@onemillionpercent

Жыл бұрын

that makes sense

@tylergab3144

Жыл бұрын

She only had one stab wound to the stomach. She walked around for at least 2 hours just bleeding out. There was a trail of blood between the bathroom and the bed. Nancy had bruises on her face (probably from a fight with Sid). Also, multiple people saw Sid walking around the hotel in the early morning. Around the time Nancy would’ve been stabbed and the neighbor heard a woman in their room moaning, no one saw Sid around the hotel. I think he either accidentally killed her or purposely did it out of anger but doesn’t really remember because he was so high.

@siddhi_surabhi

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he stabbed her but didn't want to kill her as he mentioned once. Or she killed herself because these are the only two options in which she would get to walk around the room for 2 hours after being stabbed.

@kingdingaling2469

Жыл бұрын

Naw , that dealer stabbed her when she came out trippin

@janeE011

11 ай бұрын

@@kingdingaling2469I think the dealer is a good suspect as they'd seen him earlier the night before and all their money was missing from their room.