Corrections: 0:00 To be extra extra clear The Library of Babel Website DOES NOT LITERALLY "CONTAIN" AS IN "STORE" EVERYTHING somewhere but it does have the potential to generate everything given enough time, which is nearly indistinguishable to searching through a theoretical library that does have everything stored physically. 4:40 There are not 10^4677 books there are 10^4677 possible pages. From the website: "It contains all possible pages of 3200 characters, about 10^4677 books" 7:15 I forgot to mention it is all 8 note *12 beat* meldoies. 10:31 The time to complete its sort is O(N) to infinity since it requires some amount of time to shuffle once even if it seems instant to us. Sorry. Philosophically the concept described in this video is sound, but there are some details that can cause problems (some which just come down to interpretations of certain word choices) with some of the claims made in this video concerning the mechanics of the websites themselves. One such example is this post on the subreddit for the library of babel. www.reddit.com/r/BabelForum/comments/vph7p3/a_long_dive_into_the_algorithm_some_math_stupid/

@xXx_Azulover69

Жыл бұрын

Ok

@oneder54

Жыл бұрын

Ok

@Ransomwave

Жыл бұрын

👍

@Levi_The_One_The_Only

Жыл бұрын

That's unfortunate timing

@nimlamlu3297

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this.

Imagine scrolling through the slideshow of the image library of babel and then just finding a picture of you literally as you are sat there staring at the screen

@Ai.Mi_5-25

Жыл бұрын

Imagine scrolling through the slideshow of the image library of babel and then just finding a picture of a joke you haven't told anyone yet, but now cannot take credit to.

@karenbenton1503

Жыл бұрын

@@Ai.Mi_5-25 imagine scrolling through the ACTUAL library of babel and finding the message “the end of times is upon us , you are unlucky to find this message “

@shawermus

Жыл бұрын

It theoretically possible but probably won't ever happen sadly...

@lonestarr1490

Жыл бұрын

Thing is, there's not just one such picture in it, but several thousands. It's just that for all but one some minor detail is off, like the color of one pixel somewhere in the corner is not exactly right or the eye color is wrong. And imagine all the pictures of yourself sitting in front of your screen with someone standing right behind you. It could be anyone, literally.

@zachrabaznaz7687

Жыл бұрын

@@karenbenton1503 It would mean nothing.

Don't forget that every frame of this video is also contained inside the library of babel

@Killerkraft975

Жыл бұрын

Every thing you look at will be rasterized and be contained within the canvas of babel.

@therealwisemysticaltree

Жыл бұрын

There are 288 "paintings" on the canvas of babel that when put together make a 12 second video of me morphing into a crab

@DrDunsparce

Жыл бұрын

Your comment is there too

@therealwisemysticaltree

Жыл бұрын

@@DrDunsparce you are there

@SG2048-meta

Жыл бұрын

@@therealwisemysticaltree there are also 288 paintings that combine to form a video of me morphing into a crab, and the background is just a picture of a chrome window

This feels like the setup to a creepypasta, where the protagonist does stumble across something meaningful, but horrifying (like a photo of his death or something).

@htf5555

Жыл бұрын

"a photo of your death" spookiest shit. reminds me of THAT scene in lake mungo.

@Pyxyty

Жыл бұрын

As someone who often dives into the creepypasta wikia (which, i swear, has a very decent level of standard for most of the works that are edited by the mods), that plot point has already been covered so many times. Man finds predictive thing -> man either tries to avoid it or pushes themselves towards that reality -> it happens but not how one expected it to happen, or the predictive thing was a result of him trying to prevent it

@taylorphillips7030

11 ай бұрын

How is the viewer supposed to know that the image they see is how they die? Just because it depicts them dying does not mean that is how they will die. If the viewer believes that the image is an accurate depiction of their future, they are paranoid. Although it is certainly possible the picture is accurate, it is extraordinarily unlikely.

@Pyxyty

11 ай бұрын

@@taylorphillips7030 im not sure you fully understand the concept of the video yet mate. It's not saying that whatever you see in it will predict your future or whatever, it's saying that absolutely no matter what happens in your future, a photo of it will exist in the archive, albeit very unlikely to be found at all

@taylorphillips7030

11 ай бұрын

@Pyxyty I'm not sure you fully understand my comment. I'm saying for the setup originally posed the person who sees a meaningful photo of their death would have to believe that they are actually seeing their death. Of course, because a random picture depicting a plausible cause of death for someone is not predictive(it has no intrinsic menaing), any person who sees themselves dying would understand it is unlikely they die it that way. Thus, the setup for the story doesn't work.

Waiting for art to appear on babel is like waiting for life to spontaneously start existing

@user-fi6cx6pv8g

Жыл бұрын

We breathe and eat through the same hole which guarantees a percentage of all humans will die by choking on our own food.

@Yetta_

10 ай бұрын

@@user-fi6cx6pv8gcan my food make you choke 👉👈😳

@CoolSaver

10 ай бұрын

I know right? So dumb lol.

@gaburieruR

9 ай бұрын

Waiting "good" art to appear on Canvas of Babel is like expecting"complex life" emerging from nothing. You can still find some globs of color there and there, just like aminoacids form on the natural environment

@user-fi6cx6pv8g

9 ай бұрын

@@gaburieruR It's obviously fake, the proof is the image search feature: It's not finding a picture identical to yours it's just taking your picture and putting a random number on it. The amount of time and resources it would take to find any specific image is more than anyone has right now.

i feel the need to point out that searching for the “secret to immortality” in these libraries isn’t just pointless because the chance of finding something coherent is so small, but because there isn’t a filter for truth. these libraries contain secrets, yes, but they don’t *know* anything. even with a hypothetical coherency filter, you will come across a million lies before you ever find the truth, and you have no way of telling them apart.

@RGC_animation

Жыл бұрын

Well you'll have to make a leap of faith and rely on your good buddy luck once again.

@auxencefromont1989

Жыл бұрын

Also since the adresses are as long as the books, these libraries just don't contain information, if you learn where a book is, you would be better off learning the content of the book instead

@pumkin610

Жыл бұрын

I suppose humans could live a lot longer than they do now, and the answer to that one would probably be found with humans, not a random book.

@Yrvo12345

Жыл бұрын

To achieve immortality you need to find the book, but to find the book you need immortality.

@theblah12

Жыл бұрын

It’s much more accurate to say that the library could potentially *generate* “secrets”, or just coherent text in general, as nothing is actually stored and none of the pages or images you view on the site actually existed prior to you clicking on the page number - which is really just the seed used to generate whatever you’re looking at. Of course, the same is true for any random number generator that spews out strings of ascii text. It’s like how Minecraft or No Man’s Sky generates worlds on the fly as you explore them, rather then storing every possible result of it’s procedural generation algorithm which would be impossible. The existence of the library as a physical space that contains information is really just an illusion, just as Minecraft gives you the illusion of an infinite world - when in reality nothing about the current world you’re viewing actually exists outside what has already been generated.

I think from a standpoint it's really telling that a website full of every possible way to make art is practically useless because it doesn't have an aim. Art is truly filled by necessity of the artist

@boyinblue.

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, emotion is a big part of art and without it things are shallow or just flows of colors.

@badger6882

Жыл бұрын

You might like subjectivity in art by CJ the X

@KorporalNoobs

Жыл бұрын

Even better: The "impressive" thing about the machine itself is entirely man-made, too. In function, abilities and effect it is an entirely unimpressive basic program. And in theory, a guy with infinite pieces of paper and a pencil could do the same. It might take 10.000x longer, but that is of 0 consequence anyway.

@kennethbenicio4722

Жыл бұрын

It's futile at best. I think the internet has some marvelous things to someone who wants to knowledge, but things like this are just a big waste of time..

@lakazatong

Жыл бұрын

Until AI comes in

Can't wait until someone does "Bad Apple but in the canvas of Babel"

@sockdivine6144

9 ай бұрын

Underated comment

@Defaultnames

9 ай бұрын

Who is gonna tell him ?

@martic1465

9 ай бұрын

@@Defaultnames yeah i know it would be the exact same thing but it would still be cool

@AllmightyGigachad

8 ай бұрын

​@@martic1465that's not his point it's litterally IN the video

@martic1465

8 ай бұрын

​@@AllmightyGigachadthats the library i meant the canvas

Every once in a while I take a selfie or some other random picture of something I own and then search it on the canvas of Babel. It’s pretty trippy to draw a picture, take a picture of yourself with the picture, and find it already existed somewhere somehow

@tamastasi428

Жыл бұрын

why is no one talking about this

@r3l4x69

Жыл бұрын

@@tamastasi428 because it isnt correct. its smoke and mirrors

@gr4uh

Жыл бұрын

The website is clearly fake.. it just uses JavaScript and adds effects to the image and creates a code that never existed

@wyvrnres

Жыл бұрын

you know its fake, right?

@gr4uh

Жыл бұрын

@@wyvrnres I've known these websites have been fake since day one

Imagine procrastinating doing your 3-page paper assignment, scrolling through the library and then you find a perfect match to the assignment within one of the books and just turning that in.

@derpatel9760

Жыл бұрын

And then only one answer turns out correct because there's an equal chance of failing to not failing.

@GreasyGary

Жыл бұрын

@@derpatel9760 Shrodingers assignment

@EnderrBoi

Жыл бұрын

@@GreasyGary if you look at your test paper it either blows up or every correct answer appears

@ketch10

Жыл бұрын

to bad its literally impossible cuz cringy universe

@HassleHoffer372

Жыл бұрын

@@ketch10 As somebody who is incredibly good at English, I fainted in death when I saw this spelling.

He really used Bloons TD music when talking about the infinite monkey theorem. I should be mad, but I am entertained.

@saddlebag

Жыл бұрын

Why… exactly should you be mad? It’s good music, and not just within the context of the game.

@Gloomdrake

Жыл бұрын

@@saddlebag angry in the same way you get mad at a "good" pun

@geegee952

Жыл бұрын

@@saddlebag Perhaps I was using certain stylistic devices to make my comment seem funny, to apeal to the masses. So that they may fuel my ego with imaginary likes which are meaningless and barely have any purpose, like the rest of our existence.

@DaBezzzz

Жыл бұрын

LOL I didn't even catch that

@saddlebag

Жыл бұрын

@@Gloomdrake Oh wait, I totally missed that pun.

“When speaking in infinities, ‘unlikely’ is just certainty waiting for its turn.” -Narrator guy from In space with Markiplier

@benrex7775

6 ай бұрын

Everything within the universe is quantified and limited. Be that time, space, energy states or whatever you can imagine. So we can have things that are unlikely to the point that we can just assume it won't happen.

@cadenmeyer

Ай бұрын

in space with markiplier is 😎

the bloons music starting the second you started talking about monkeys was a stroke of genius

@davester2279

6 ай бұрын

legit

Ok so now imagine: The kitchen of Babel. It contains every flavor, that could ever be made. And it resides in the Palace of Babel. A palace with every single room that could ever exist, these rooms having every single concept that could ever be made.

@thisisbetterthanmyprevious6674

Жыл бұрын

I like this so called “Palace of Babel” Does it reside in the City of Babel? Is it on Babel Street? Is it located in the Country of Babel? Is there a Babble Planet? Babble Universe? Can I visit Babbleland in Babblefornia or Babbleworld in Babblorida? Is there a Babblething that holds the entirety of everything that could ever exist ever? But what if it holds another babblething in it? Is it holding two infinities or just twice the amount of possible things? Is it holding infinite infinities? How the babble does that work? Babblebabblebabblebabble

@medicmist

Жыл бұрын

@@thisisbetterthanmyprevious6674 As a matter of fact, yes. The Palace of Babel resides in the City of Babel and is located on Babel Street. But even if they share the "Babel" part of the name, only the Palace has "Babel properties".

@vylbird8014

Жыл бұрын

For a very brief time, because some of those rooms must contain big lumps of uncontained neutronium, or jupiter-mass black holes, or cartoonish mad scientists who are just about to test out their new doomsday device.

@medicmist

Жыл бұрын

@@vylbird8014 Fortunately, Babel properties make these rooms' effects contained

@medicmist

Жыл бұрын

@Samueli Marinko That should be in the room with a bunch of perfume bottles (pretty sure some of them are deadly so make sure to read the labels if you're gonna smell one of them)

Also does this mean that the Canvas of Babel owns every NFT to a specific resolution? Technically it existed at the start of time as the properties of space, it is weird when the rights to something is claimed between two parts of one object

@SolarSands

Жыл бұрын

omg yes

@lithunoisan

Жыл бұрын

But is it on the blockchain? The Blockchain doesn’t lie.

@TornaitSuperBird

Жыл бұрын

@@lithunoisan Space came before the blockchain. Checkmate, atheists.

@CURSEOFSANOGAWA

Жыл бұрын

“Guys the canvas of Babel screenshotted my nft I don’t think it’s allowed to do that😡 Muskie is gonna head about this!!!”

@xninewxw7559

Жыл бұрын

Nft bros get the library shut down

If I want to destroy the universe I'll simply go to the website and press print all.

I feel like the thing about the library of babel is not that it takes too long to get a meaningful text, but let’s say to find out how to become immortal, there will be many books which tell you how to become immortal, but only one will be correct, and the others will tell you to eat dirt and piss from the window. You would already have to know how to become immortal to be able to say that this book says the truth. When there is no real information given into something, you can’t get any out of it.

@teddycat7218

3 ай бұрын

And the difference between the true way to get immortality and a fake one could be one word.

@timetravelbeard3588

Ай бұрын

Welcome to the modern internet lol. It's all click bait and bots

@user-kt2kz5qg4z

3 күн бұрын

Doesn't it follow, than, that no monkey could EVER type out Shakespeare, no matter how long it had to do it, b/c it could never do it to begin with? I think so. Also, wouldn't it point to the idea that one cannot 'redeem' one's self from a fallen and ignorant condition unless a wise and free one is leading the way? I think Man is helpless without God.

The algorithm you described that can accurately sort the meaningful from the gibberish in the babel archives is, annoyingly, also inside the archives.

@aduckwithgrapes9572

Жыл бұрын

"Well, at least we have the instructions to find it" "thats in the archives too" "Frick"

@KyleBrownIsALoser

Жыл бұрын

@@aduckwithgrapes9572 Lucky you the instructions to finding the instructions to finding the algorithm actually does exist. Take a wild shot in the dark on where it is.

@jakew7482

Жыл бұрын

that is only if the algorithm is possible. So if you think about it the babel archives cannot contain everything.

@cara-setun

Жыл бұрын

I mean, there are instructions to find the algorithm, and instructions to find the instructions, and instructions to find those, on and on and on, which means there should be an unimaginably large number of these instruction books. But there’s also an unimaginably large number of false algorithms and false paths. Or instructions for an algorithm, but it’s written in a language we won’t invent for 400 years, or a language we never will invent.

@jakew7482

Жыл бұрын

@@cara-setun there is also infinite languages and so every book in the library technically contains the algorithm in some sort of language

It has the same vibes as "I know every phone number, just don't know which person it belongs to"

@purpl3grape

Жыл бұрын

Can someone be incriminated for randomly generating illegal material?

@joemama-kc7ez

Жыл бұрын

@@purpl3grape depends on the material, usually no, but also just intent. accidentally calling a private line is fine, but having an illegal file on your pc will be hard to explain

@YourBalls

Жыл бұрын

@@joemama-kc7ez what if this babel thing generates a image of a child being raped?

@DrakoWulf

Жыл бұрын

@@YourBalls | He went there.

@aikslf

Жыл бұрын

@@purpl3grape In some cases the answer is yes, assuming that you have the sensory information to understand what you just generated is illegal. For example, if you accidentally generated mature content showing a not adult and had the vision to view the content, then you just did something illegal. As for proving that it was randomly generated and getting away with it in court, you'll be out of luck in this scenario.

It’s crazy how it could just go from gibberish to the most profound image you’ve ever seen in a second and then back to gibberish.

I would refer the library, canvas, and audio library of babel to be their own artworks with meaning within themselves, they're interesting, and have a profound message behind them.

The first time I encountered this concept was actually on the never-ending story book(which the film is based on) in which people who forgot how to tell stories throw dices with random letters in order until they get something sensible, and their caretaker explains that at some point they would get every story, every combination of words possible, which is why they keep playing. It kind of speaks to that Idea of art existing with meaning inherently, otherwise it's just an simulation of it, and I always found that particular scene very harrowing (the book's context helps, but on its own its something that always stuck with me)

@tacticalassaultanteater9678

Жыл бұрын

The Never-ending Story was probably one of the few books that defined my outlook on the world, I must've been around 12 when I read it. I should probably re-read it as a form of self-reflection.

@user-pi3ck9hd2x

Жыл бұрын

does the library of babel not work for anyone else or is it just me?

@ajhhc

Жыл бұрын

@@user-pi3ck9hd2x check the pinned comment, it's offline for a few days

I remember getting introduced to the Library of Babel in a DONG! vid from like seven years ago. The concept has always fascinated me, and you really hit me with the line "How can we train an algorithm to recognize meaning?" because it really highlights just how far AI has to go before it has actually attained sentience. DALL-E can only create a meaningful image from a human source, it cannot create it's own input, or it's own meaning, like we do.

@draco6349

Жыл бұрын

But do we really create our own meaning? Everything Dall-E makes is based fundamentally on everything else it has ever seen, and yet our memory is no different. If you had no senses, and were effectively only a brain running random impulses with no stimuli, that would be your entire reality. You would be unable to comprehend anything else. All "meaning" humans create is just the sum total of everything we've ever seen + the stimuli we are currently experiencing. Artificial intelligence does not mean "fake" intelligence, it is simply man-made. It functions basically the same as we do, only on a somewhat lower level.

@The9garr

Жыл бұрын

It's a really interesting question to ask. We've always had trouble defining sentience in regards to living things, but to understand how/if a computer discerns meaning we really need to understand how we do it ourselves. A computer can draw meaning or appear to draw meaning from acting on some bunch of inputs in some format if we teach it to, but how is that different from how we see the world?

@nox8600

Жыл бұрын

Would you clarify the difference?

@The9garr

Жыл бұрын

@@nox8600 I work with machine learning so I only know how actual brains can be compared to fake brains, but from my understanding all our brains are doing is taking in a big ol bunch of inputs like nerves & light receptors and interpreting all that by activating neurons in some way (I'm sure it's way more complex than that though). An artificial neural network essentially does the same thing only instead of nerves & cells it's pretty much just numbers. The simplest form of neural network will essentially take all those numbers, apply a bunch of operations to them & spit out some output. DALL-E is just an algorithm that takes a text input and *does some stuff* then outputs some image that is thinks is related to the text you gave it, based on learning from examples created by humans. Which to me doesn't seem so different to what our brains are doing all the time when we see things or try to create our own art. (DALL-E is definitely super complex though and I probably didnt do it justice here)

@nox8600

Жыл бұрын

@@The9garr thanks!

_This_ is the kind of thing I love Just the _idea_ that you could find something meaningful and absolutely live changing, but the _astronomically_ high odds that you'll actually find it Depressing in a way, but absolutely fascinating

@saveoursquirrels4241

4 ай бұрын

The odds are high because there's no way to know what you're looking for. It's way easier to find something meaningful and life-changing if you have an aim. Is that comforting?

@eboatwright_

4 ай бұрын

@@saveoursquirrels4241 Very deep comment, mildly comforting

And, by making INTENTIONAL art, you're helping fight the entropic heat death of the universe! Even smutty crossover au fanfiction! Keep making things!

@official-obama

9 ай бұрын

...art requires energy, and the energy is used up when you make the art... so you're just speeding it up...

@laggianput

3 ай бұрын

​@@official-obamayeah but smutty au fanfiction is actually good at breaking the laws of physics

What’s crazy is that not only does the library or canvas contain every possible image or book you can think of, it also contains infinite incorrect but close variations. There’s works of Shakespeare that were never written, some with a single word off and others with completely different second acts, out of which some are complete gibberish and others are more masterful than the original. There is every picture ever taken of you, and then there’s a version of each one where you are holding any animal you can think of as a pet. There are complete histories of the world, and most, in fact all but a minuscule handful of them tell the history of a world other than our earth or an alternate version of it.

@RGC_animation

Жыл бұрын

Actually, an infinite amount of them tell the story of our Earth and then some.

@auxencefromont1989

Жыл бұрын

@@RGC_animation there still is a finite amount of books in total

@harrietjameson

Жыл бұрын

And to think that even that is nothing compared to infinity

@Kwidge-

Жыл бұрын

But it is very likely nobody would ever find it. The chances are so incredibly small, that even if you spent your entire life looking for a coherent image or book, you probably wouldn't find it.

@youraverageintrovert1990

Жыл бұрын

@@Kwidge- probably is an overestimation. if earth's entire population went out looking for a single coherent image or book, id bet we might find like 2 images and maybe just maybe a singular chapter of a book, but even that seems way out of reach

I've been waiting for you to cover this, it's easily one of the most existential websites out there. For anyone thinking you can find some sort of future images or predictions using it, the chances of you even finding anything remotely coherent within your lifetime is indescribably miniscule. There are several hoxes floating around on the dedicated subreddit, but no one has ever confirmed having found a full image (at least to my knowledge).

@CatchThesePaws

Жыл бұрын

Has there ever been anything remotely different from random found? Like a patch of similar colors or a line? I’m expecting not, but the chances of like ten pixels being the same next to each other is nowhere near as unreachable as a full image.

@landru27

Жыл бұрын

Right on. Worse, though : For anyone thinking you can find some sort of future images or predictions using it, even if you DO find a coherent image, you won't know if it's an image of (a) the future, (b) the past, (c) a future that could have been but won't because of something that's already happened, (d) a future that you should do everything in your power to prevent, (e) from a time-and-place in the universe you cannot reach because of the speed limit of light, (f) from an alternative universe altogether, (g) someone's fever dream, (h) etc. Nothing constrains even the coherent images to having any relationship to anything else at all.

@rojastegulu

Жыл бұрын

So what would be the chances of finding an among us.

@Johnnywhat

Жыл бұрын

@@rojastegulu 3% chance

@Neillan

Жыл бұрын

@@CatchThesePaws Not to my knowledge, no. Even a few colored splotches would be momentous.

Currently losing my shit laughing at the phrase “Quantum Bogosort”

Your videos strike a nerve of comfort in me like no other channel does. I truly love your videos.

Put the canvas on shuffle and wait for it to play out this entire video with all the frames in the right order and the cycle will be complete

@twitchyalien3787

Жыл бұрын

And do the same with the audio library of babel

“I’ve found the meaning of life in the library of babel!” -said no one ever in the timespan of the universe

@CURSEOFSANOGAWA

Жыл бұрын

“The meaning of life is to be alive and live.” -Joe Swanson idk

@nathanstoysandmore

Жыл бұрын

“Jdjsjsjxjsjxjsksjsjsjsjsiskicismsmxnx” -the library of babel

@cashkromsupernerd1193

Жыл бұрын

It can't be that hard to find 42 somewhere in there

@cookiehawk

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanstoysandmore idk man, I personally liked "ernocnetnc7teh7o3tjv73t7itnv8thc7i3tn7cinrvne8nt3dny83fn8yueiunvten83ufnft8u8un3tnotev783tu83fnutucjeu9nfc8nic7teoumt4ynvy4tnuievn8yruhvturrgnviufnt8ytrnvrtng8urnvrgiuntriuvtiut7nojteifu8rgjfjuietjvuitenuienvuo"

@telnobynoyator_6183

Жыл бұрын

Can't be 100% sure about that ;)

I love this concept. I thought about it a few days. There was a Steve Brunton video that showed a 20x20 1 bit image... Having more information than the universe. so I thought about writing a pixel shader to go through all of them. It would require a random bit shift register to never show an image twice. Yes, 2^400 is a massive number. And image space is vast. The key is to create a subset of this space by semantically structuring. Which now exists in plenty of languages models, image decoders etc.

Imagine you write an essay and your teacher says you plagiarized the library of babel

@marklorien

Ай бұрын

This made me laugh

As much as I miss his old DeviantArt videos, I still love and follow his channel after 3-4 years because his videos no matter what they're about are always still so entertaining to watch Thank you for your hard work, solar! ^^

@Hatsune-Miku_Fan

Жыл бұрын

Aww, thank you for hearting my comment ^^

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Жыл бұрын

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@Hatsune-Miku_Fan

Жыл бұрын

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Haaa? Kakheli var

@sinclair707

Жыл бұрын

Same here! I used to watch his old videos because I thought they were funny, but now the videos are genuinely captivating. I enjoy every one of them because he makes them sound interesting. I swear, he should teach a history class and I would gladly take it.

@CURSEOFSANOGAWA

Жыл бұрын

Went from funny foot fetish ew yuck to giving me a crisis

"the infinite monkey theorem" *bloon tower defense music start playing ...perfection

@owainwilliams276

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad someone else noticed this

@David-wg5ce

Жыл бұрын

Bro i wish i heard it before i sae this comment. Im listening on my phone speaker 💔

@millbrick

Жыл бұрын

popping notes intensify

@youraveragekomodo

Жыл бұрын

get on bloons

@wolfetteplays8894

Жыл бұрын

True

I was literally just thinking of this concept a few days ago and this popped up in my feed.

this is an excellent video in general, and as a small insignificant detail, i also really appreciate the aphex twin in the soundtrack. was lovely and unexpected

As a musician, I always fear that what I’m playing will somehow have already been created even though I’ve never heard it. It IS possible to accidentally make a song somebody already has made.

@McJaews

Жыл бұрын

One way to avoid the issue is to tune your instrument of choice to be way off key with normal even temperament tuning. Once the ear gets used to everything being off by a few cents, it'll sound normal, at least until you hear a regular song again.

@NachtFaenger

Жыл бұрын

Too late. Someone did the same thing that's on this video, but with music. Every note combination possible is contained in this. So whatever you compose, it has already been made.

@sorbayy

Жыл бұрын

@@NachtFaenger Ive seen the video on that and they said that their algorithm still had limitations and was limited to mostly western scales, etc. so it’s still possible to find something new don’t be discouraged

@remotejamstwo948

Жыл бұрын

I'd have thought that it would be affirming and not dreadful that others have done what you have before you. Everything we do is inspired by our own influences, so to find others who have walked that path before for whatever reasons is inspiring. Given the fact that music has no ceiling, it shows us how we'd diverge from what others have done. Also given the fact that everything we do is influenced in some form by the external world, there's the argument that you should use audio piracy as a compositional prerogative.

@verycalmgamer4090

Жыл бұрын

it also matters when u make it bro. If Kanye's first album was Yeezus, maybe he wouldn't be as big as he is today.

5:16 I love the idea of finding a door to the library of babel, opening it, and then just having the Blue Screen of Death appear to everyone including yourself

@official-obama

9 ай бұрын

:( The universe ran into a problem and needs to restart. We're just collecting some error info, and then we'll restart for you. 0% complete [eldritch horror here] For more information about this issue and possible fixes, ask for the stop code book at the library If you call a support person, give them this info: Stop code: POINT_FLEW_AWAY

@BigHippyBear

4 ай бұрын

Imagine opening doors to the library of babel and the *Playstation 2 corrupted data tune* plays.

To get this program to provide anything of substance, we would need it to run at an impossibly fast speed WHILE an AI tool checks every image for any amount of coherence. We would quickly get an endless supply of random images constantly being generated, all of which might as well be noise. Hot dogs on unicycles, men with 15 arms, slenderman. Essentially, what we can already do with modern AI tools without needing some separate software to generate it from brute force pixel formation.

@theninja4137

4 ай бұрын

This literally is brute force pixel formation

@juergenkern6763

4 ай бұрын

@@theninja4137 thats litterally what he saod

I think that's a really beautiful message at the end. The last sentence is very inspiring.

Plot twist: he got every frame of this video from the canvas of babel

@miguelisaurusbruh1158

Жыл бұрын

lazy af tbh

@MrMrPurple

Жыл бұрын

Btw I got this comment from the library of babel

@alexsiemers7898

Жыл бұрын

And his voice is just from the audio library of babel (tbh I’d prefer calling it “the soundtrack of babel”).

I love how these projects all use the same title "of babel" Because when you think about it, its like the tower of Babel, not in the sense that it reaches up to heaven, but rather that it results in mostly gibberish that people need to find meaning in.

@pcm1011

Жыл бұрын

Out of chaos, order, you mean?

@averagejoe9040

Жыл бұрын

@@pcm1011 out of order, chaos. Its the search for order that has produced this chaos in the first place.

@ansuz5903

Жыл бұрын

@@averagejoe9040 So we should embrace chaos. I like that

@averagejoe9040

Жыл бұрын

@@ansuz5903 the only people who look for meaning in static are crazy people

@ansuz5903

Жыл бұрын

@@averagejoe9040 Facts. Chaos is truth. Order is a lie.

These "babel" sites are really cool, like they have a huge potential that isnt practical to explore.

This stuff is fascinating to people that are interested in AI. Stable Diffusion basically takes random pixels and interprets it based on its models. If we had an image of every conceivable moment in history from every angle (and infinite computing power/storage) to train an AI with, it could take a jumble of random pixels like in the Canvas of Babel and create any image imaginable in a way that is indistinguishable to reality. It could even be trained to determine how close to reality that generated image is. It could even make predictions as to how likely an image like that is to be possible in the future.

@serraramayfield9230

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

Technically, the library of babel contains an infinite amount of information if you choose to read it differently. For example, there is a book in the library of babel which provides the code for a more complex library. There's a book which describes a set of books which collectively contain many times more information than a single book could hold. In fact, every book is meaningful depending on the language you use. It's just that most of those books are written in languages that no one has ever, or will ever, think up. It just makes the point, information is quite complex, and is more in how we interpret things rather than the things themselves, at least until we get into quantum physics and the nature of the universe itself in which case information is fundamental, but while the rules are very specific and rigid, it's also very complex, so I'm not going to get into it.

@alexjustalexyt1144

Жыл бұрын

Also we have to consider the fact that the library of babel is kinda impossible since we only use the Roman alphabet. What about the others?

@cutiecry8313

Жыл бұрын

Uhhh technically no that is not true, the secret libraries or books that take you to other books just present knowledge that is already in the library of babel in a new way. Same information still

@Iudicatio

Жыл бұрын

@Cutie Cry I am not sure. I study physics but I am far from an expert in abstract math. But I believe the OP is referencing different levels of infinity. She is saying that there is a reference somewhere in the Library of Babel to another set of books which can not be contained in the Library of Babel because they exist on a different level of infinity and are too large. (Or you could say another dimension if you like.) This other set of books would fill the entire library of babel and most of it would still be missing. I can't think of a concrete example of how this might actually happen, but I believe she's right.

@user-cz2cg6sr5d

Жыл бұрын

If someone takes every 5th letter in a book of Babel, there's even more possibilty to find Shakespear or Hamilton.

@user-qm4ev6jb7d

Жыл бұрын

Have you read the sci-fi novel "Permutation City"? It has an idea similar to what you are describing. Except with an additional twist: what if there is a simulation of a conscious being contained in that book?

Something that I would like to point out, as the Library of Babel is one of my personal favorite ideas: It is actually not difficult to locate Shakespeare within the Library of Babel, at least not if the Library is organized. It is astronomically unlikely to randomly pull shakespeare from the shelves, but it is fully possible to find it if you are looking for it. It is proposed, if the Library is sorted, that to find a book within the Library is no different than having written it yourself. And this is also where the primary issue of that person declaring we must seek "The secret of immortality" comes from. Because the secret to immortality is certainly within the Library. As are 26 copies of the secret of immortality where the 'o' in 'of' is replaced with another letter. Along with another thousand copies where the primary ingredient to immortality is replaced with a different ordinary object or noble substance. To find meaning in The Library Of Babel, You must have already decided what means something to you.

@SirusStarTV

Жыл бұрын

We can narrow information down by not generating random letters but random english words with grammar rules

@mys_mistree

Жыл бұрын

@@SirusStarTV This is true, though it will not improve a search for new information, simply reduce infinity to grammatically legible infinity.

@Superabound2

Жыл бұрын

there would be an infinite number of secrets of immortality that would kill you instantly

@aikslf

Жыл бұрын

@@mys_mistree What you just proposed is literally just a regular library. Having the means to sort the Library of Babel defeats the whole point of the idea. As for what Gerydome proposed, they're on the right track for machine-learning algorithms. They just need to refine the algorithm far enough so that it starts generating paragraphs of sentences related to each other that contain no meaningless duplicates where each paragraph adds meaning and value to the overall article(or page in a book).

@mys_mistree

Жыл бұрын

@@aikslf I didn't know your local library is infinite. That sounds pretty dope. And it wasn't the means to sort it, it was pre sorted. Though searching for meaning in Babel is nonetheless the same as writing the book you find yourself.

A funny thing about the library of babel and the canvas of babel is that in the library there is a page with words "an image of this page with a stray pixel in coordinates x and z" and there is always an image for that in the canvas of babel. The infinite possibilities of infinity. Funny, beautiful and scary at the same time.

They should make Atoms of Babel, where the algorithm randomises all the atoms in the universe in every possible arrangement

@dxitydevil

5 ай бұрын

That’s actually a good idea. So that any possible object has a chance to spawn

"The only way you find meaningful art in these libraries is by making it yourself" is the most weirdly motivating thing ive ever heard

@lod4246

Жыл бұрын

lol i read this as it was being said in the video 12:23

"The sculpture is already complete within the marble block, before I start my work. It is already there, I just have to chisel away the superfluous material." ― Michelangelo

@pussinboots9983

Жыл бұрын

Same as "Your problems have already been solved. It's just you haven't reached that point yet."

the program Disco Diffusion essentially does what you said about finding meaning, it starts with random noise, then amplifies what look meaningful, blurs what is unnecessary, and generates an image based on the given prompt.

That’s sweet! I’ve heard about the library but not the canvas

I once dreamt of the canvas of babel, but it was a map. Each pixel represented an area the size of our universe. My vision started off very close, so close that I could only see the one pixel representing our observable universe, but then I silently floated back into the unknown. Before me was an incomprehensible tapestry that represented everything, one that still haunts me till this date

@johnathanegbert9277

Жыл бұрын

What does each of the 4096 colours mean in that regard?

@dakotaneumann1259

Жыл бұрын

@@johnathanegbert9277 no idea. Perhaps the color indicated the average curvature of space-time in each given sector?

@wolfetteplays8894

Жыл бұрын

Holy fucking shit 😮 that’s terrifying but also enlightening

@smarmar400

10 ай бұрын

@@wolfetteplays8894 Holy shit fuckers 😮 Same.

@Graymenn

10 ай бұрын

Lol spacetime! Never ceases to amuse me when ppl use that term

It seems like a lot of these thought experiments are themselves the art. They're elegantly executed and thought-provoking in their narrative form. The core idea isn't really that sophisticated; you could easily dumb it down to just "if a guy lived forever he would inevitably do everything." But these thought experiments instead utilize romantic settings of libraries, and the haunting spectre of cold, calculating machines, to evoke deep feelings about the random pointlessness of the universe, the infinite nature of time, free will, and other heady concepts. But lightly disguised as a practical, good-faith effort to just "see if we can." This seems like a whole fascinating genre of meta-art... kind of reminds me a bit of that organ that's set up to play a single song over the course of 1,000 years or something. I forget if that was in an earlier Solar Sands video. It would be cool to see more videos about meta-art projects of this sort!

@jonathanbennet2580

Жыл бұрын

anyway iceberg 3?

@leserpentvert3364

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanbennet2580 Haha give him a little time

@davidpayne-rz3ue

Жыл бұрын

Literally took the words straight out of my head, except 1000% more detailed and sophisticated than whatever I could have said. Considering how this comment isn't even that complicated that says something.

@Gamper1

Жыл бұрын

Ok

@jak-A127

Жыл бұрын

True, interesting observation. Also, hi J.J. - A fellow British Columbian

Creasing when the Bloons Tower Defense music kicked in when he started talking about monkeys.

That last line you said was amazing

I can still remember when this channel did deviantART reviews God how much this channel has grown brings me to tears

@SlugCreator

Жыл бұрын

Same this channel has improved a lot

@cubeofmeat4982

Жыл бұрын

oh wow

@maldogeria

Жыл бұрын

Same

@poweroffriendship2.0

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Solar Sands is evolving.

@ashameddonald6674

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a down grade

Always an instant watch when it's a new solar sands video

Idk the fuck was all of this about but I sat and listened it through

I’ve given this some thought, and it still never ceases to amaze me. Somewhere in that library are the secrets to technologies yet uninvented, an unwritten screenplay whose film will make you cry 10 years from now, and formulas for medicines that could could save millions of people. And yet, even at our fingertips, it’s just all out of reach, surrounded by exobytes of random trash and so many near-misses and bad versions, as you say. It’s an odd thought that ever piece of media ever created from the formation of this library - every masterpiece - was not just crafted but was in a sense “discovered” as a jewel among the dross, since it already exists somewhere. And yet there is no way to find it until it has been created.

@pcm1011

Жыл бұрын

Makes you think if every bit of information is discovered, learnt, or just created

@peach0129

Жыл бұрын

You redditors are so gullible to actually believe this baloney

@andrewsauer9669

Жыл бұрын

Creating that media is the same as finding it.

@SmootWoofus

Жыл бұрын

Geopbytes*

@narizota

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewsauer9669 Literally and that's what most people in this comment section don't understand. Anything in this world does not exist until you arrange it a certain way but it needs you

The Canvas of Babel does not contain art. It is art

@olivernt2667

Жыл бұрын

It also contains art

@opixis

Жыл бұрын

@@olivernt2667 “It also contains art 🤓”

@B__-_

Жыл бұрын

it contains an image of u farting bro

@ratewcropolix

Жыл бұрын

watch out bro, i have your exact address (if i get extremely lucky)

@olivernt2667

Жыл бұрын

@@opixis yeah

This video has provided the existential crisis I was looking for this evening.

This video is absolutely incredible

As a computer scientist these things are really interesting to me. It reminds me of the π filesystem. Since all digital files are essentially sequences of numbers (hence the name digital) it is possible to find an offset in the infinite decimal digits of Pi where any digital file you can comprehend exists. This means you don't need hard drives to store data, the data you want to store is baked into mathematics so you just need to store the offset in the digits of Pi that your file resides and the size of the file so you know how many digits to read. The issue with this is that the offset to find any particular file is almost certainly larger than the file itself so it's completely impractical. You can do the same thing with any irrational number.

@natsudragneelthefiredragon

Жыл бұрын

Fascinating

@GS-tk1hk

Жыл бұрын

That's super interesting, hadn't thought about it. Infinities really are strange. If we extend this idea to literally just information instead of files, wouldn't that mean that pi (if it truly is infinite and random) contains... all that there is? For example, there should be some substring of numbers in the pi-sequence that translates exactly to an ASCII-encoded text describing the entire history and future of the universe.

@natsudragneelthefiredragon

Жыл бұрын

@@GS-tk1hk And probably many more describing it incorrectly, you won't know what's true until you've confirmed it (What if you are wrong?) or it has happened

@GS-tk1hk

Жыл бұрын

@@natsudragneelthefiredragon Indeed, most definitely many more that are either plain wrong, or got a tiny detail wrong. And all of this is drowned in vast oceans of pure noise without any meaning at all. But the fact still stands, it's still in there, *somewhere*, hiding inside the ratio between a circles circumference and diameter... isn't that kinda mindblowing?

@natsudragneelthefiredragon

Жыл бұрын

@@GS-tk1hk The human imagination does have limits though, what if the answer is something we simply can't describe? Especially in the library of Babel, having page limits means that some things like the secret to immortality and the history of the universe might not even exist in there, or be very incomplete potentially It is mindblowing though, it's amazing.... Yet completely useless at the same time, to prove a point

Can we take a minute to appreciate the effort put into this video? Whenever I come here I learn something new. I don't know man, I feel lucky to be able to access this for free. Cheers from Brazil!

@jayvmou4116

Жыл бұрын

oxi tu aqui

@cgguto

Жыл бұрын

@@jayvmou4116 né kkkk

@achka

Жыл бұрын

Uma delicia....

@sexton_hale24verinaud66

Жыл бұрын

E a comunidade brasileira do Solar Sands se revela

@catarinarodrigues4829

Жыл бұрын

Cara, que pessoa de cultura não assiste Solar Sands? N é uma surpresa

It is humans whose imaginations are so complex and powerful that we are capable of arranging said gibberish into lucid imagery, audio, and works of art. Everything we've ever created...and we also contain the mechanisms to not only create these things, but experience and appreciate them.

this may be one of the best videos of all time

This video feels longer than 12 minutes, but in a good way. Like there's so much contained in it that my brain has to slow down to take it all in, making time feel slower.

in the SCP world, there's a magical place that connects to every universe called the Wanderer's Library. it's kind of like a more condensed version of the library of babbel in that it contains every text that has ever been written, will ever be written, and many that will never be, but it's all actual text written by someone. Even with its Librarians who can tell you the location of any book, how do you know that what you're reading is true? It's a pretty fascinating concept

@U20E0

Жыл бұрын

Well, you can search for a specific book in the website too.

@declanedmison5442

Жыл бұрын

There’s also a separate website for it. Holds a bunch of unique, strange stories. Pretty cool.

@theonlybilge

Жыл бұрын

Is it related to the satellite with a Homestuck Tumblr page?

@theotherohlourdespadua1131

Жыл бұрын

There is actually an SCP before the Wanderer's Library called SC-1983 and is located in Buenos Aires, Argentina...

@sylph4252

Жыл бұрын

Since the libriry of Babel is a thing, the Wanderer's library should get all of it's contents

It felt like you were describing the Aleph at first, so it was cool to hear Borges name mentioned. Not sure I ever read The Library of Babel.

The concept of entropy of information comes on my mind watching this video. The random noise are the images that have the most probability (and high entropy), and meaningful images have ultra low probability to be....example: When there is a coherence there are group of pixels with similar or with the same colors.

wow, I got an amazing library of babel canvas! I think I can decipher the text "Error 522"

@andredizon791

Жыл бұрын

I cant access it for some reason as well

@dominikdoom

Жыл бұрын

The creator of the site is currently moving, since the site is self-hosted on his own servers, it is unavailable until the move is complete. He said on Reddit that he currently expects August 12 or later for when it will all be up and running again.

@SkySaito

Жыл бұрын

@@dominikdoom So I guess finding immortality will have to wait a bit

2:25 thank you for adding bloons tower defense music when talking about monkeys lol

As a monkey at a typewriter, I can confirm that I didn't actually choose to write this sentence.

@duaslife5623

28 күн бұрын

❤

this is mindblowing

I swear that a year ago i wanted to make canvas of babel after hearing about the library of babel, thinking it hasn't been done yet. _I've never had an original thought in my life!_

@TheGoldenTankTGTgoldisawesome

Жыл бұрын

_brain of babel_

@Bad-Sir

Жыл бұрын

Babel of Babels, a museum containing a list of every possible "--- of Babel" websites

@Mecharnie_Dobbs

Жыл бұрын

Sculpture gallery of Babel: Rotating 3D models of every possible shape. If this included shapes with detached parts, including pixel-sized parts, floating in the air, then it would look pretty similar to the Gallery of Babel. If it only included shapes where all parts are connected then there would be a lot of sculptures of multicolored bushes growing out of piles of multicolored gravel. The hard part would be eliminating the 3D models that include disconnected parts.

@micahlehrke9

Жыл бұрын

Maybe a Tower of Bab- oh wait

@seratarsybagusibrahim5018

Жыл бұрын

Bold of you to think that the idea of Canvas of Babel hasn't already been written in the Library of Babel

Coming up with new stories was so much easier as a kid for me, every idea felt so original back then. I distinctly remember how my comic about a government controlling it's citizens by survellaince seemed like the most revolutionary story ever. Too bad 1984 ripped me off.

@fromthethirdplanet

Жыл бұрын

This is one of the most relatable KZread comments I’ve ever seen

"Meaning makes art." Agreed.

dude i thought about this like 2-3 days ago and then i found this, its insane

It’s absolutely insane how this is somehow one of the most mind blowing things ever yet somehow is one of the most meaningless. It’s crazy to think how much interesting this is yet somehow is literally useless. The concept itself of infinity fascinates yet scares me

@thomasrial4444

Жыл бұрын

And in one of those pages what you just said is written. Yet in thousands of other pages what you said is altered in some way or even disagreeing with what you’ve put forth for us to read…

@falklumo

Жыл бұрын

There is no infinity involved here…

@thomasrial4444

Жыл бұрын

@@falklumo it’s the closest you can get to something that is real “infinite” though on a human lifespan scale. But yes that’s true in a universal scale

My biggest fear ever since I was a child was being granted immortality, but damned to sort through an infinite amount of information, all with zero contact with anyone. This video is definitely living rent-free in the back of my mind now.

@darkmatter412

Жыл бұрын

how did you even get that fear?

@40watt53

Жыл бұрын

@@darkmatter412 Common sense.

@Spax_

Жыл бұрын

@@darkmatter412 having severe ADHD and doing too much thinking

@Spax_

Жыл бұрын

@@40watt53 lmao what

@spacex6997

Жыл бұрын

Were you considered a gifted kid? Because that would be a fairly interesting fear for any small child.

It's fun seeing people realise what infinity means.

such a well made video.

"You cannot decode the library of babel because it contains words that do not exist yet, and all of the meanings future humans will assign to them."

A minute and 30 seconds in and I’m already wrapped with a sense of dread

If you combined the Library of Bable, the Canvas of Bable, and the Record of Bable (my cooler name for the audio one) and got absurdly infinitely lucky, you could produce an ENTIRE MOVIE

@grqfes

6 ай бұрын

possibly the bee movie perchance

@deriokoo1257

Ай бұрын

@@grqfesyou cant just say perchance

NFTcels seething over Babelchads stealing their monkeys

2:30 I laughed when I heard the Bloons theme

Without context and a frame of reference even the cure to cancer is right in front of us.

I’ve been wanting to make a video about this concept for a long time.

In a weird way this is one the most inspirational videos I’ve ever seen. Even though that passionate story you’ve been writing for years has already been made, but nobody will find it until you can make it and match it

@ri2587

Жыл бұрын

that’s a really nice way to think about it. made me smile

@angeldude101

Жыл бұрын

The video said the only way to find meaning in the images is to make it, which I take as finding meaning only if you create the image, or if you create the meaning. The meaning isn't there to find, but for you to create based on the image.

10:56 someone really not only watched 5 hours of bogosort, but watched it close enough to identify the frame in which it happened to be close to solving the sort. Each sorting frame being only 56ms. Truly a gentleman and a scholar. My upmost respect to that dear commenter.

@JudeOhHecc

Жыл бұрын

Truly a smart and attentive man. As simple as his mind may seem, he is actually the best of us. His attention and perfection will never be reached by any other.

@finercandy45113

Жыл бұрын

I like your pfp for some reason

@Yoctopory

Жыл бұрын

I dearly hope that this person used a program to find the spots where bogosort was close to solving the sort.

@bibbytenbillion

Жыл бұрын

@@Yoctopory in your heart you know they didnt

Oh, hey! I have something similar in one of my stories! It's called the Written Forest, and it's a forest with shelves upon shelves of books built into the trees, and in them is everything anyone will ever write. The leaves of the trees are covered in every thought that has ever has or will be thought, and the vines crawling up and down the trees contain every rule and law (universal or not) that has or ever will be created or discovered.

This concept is so interesting, like I could just be looking around and suddenly BAM I see myself staring back at the screen at me

I really like this. It really reminds me that old tiring argument that "my child could have painted/sung this" Like yeah, anyone could. But none but that author did. Which also reminds me that we should always respect a worker, and always respect a creator.

@Eagle-2448

Жыл бұрын

I literally could have typed this comment

@DrPlush

Жыл бұрын

@@Eagle-2448 I literally could’ve typed this reply

@holoslaw

Жыл бұрын

ok

@vaclavjebavy5118

Жыл бұрын

I really like this. It really reminds me that old tiring argument that "my child could have written this" Like yeah, anyone could. But none but that author did. Which also reminds me that we should always respect a worker, and always respect a creator.

@Jackenack

Жыл бұрын

ok

6:50 the mixtape of babel

@matthewboire6843

11 ай бұрын

Cool

“The only way you find meaningful art in these libraries, is by making it yourself,” he said, with such confidence, not quite realizing what he inspired. Just think of it, everything that can ever exist, has ever existed, and does exist, all in an imaginary space. All at my fingertips. The entire collective of time, and I hold the key: my simple cell phone, product of fellow humans. Me and them the products of untold generations born from dead stars. Thank you solar sands, I truly am lucky. :)

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Жыл бұрын

" the products of untold generations born from dead stars"

“Babe, wake up. A new Solar Sands vid just dropped”

Thank you for my yearly existential crisis KZread video