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@generalhorse493

3 жыл бұрын

"If you're nothing without the suit, you don't deserve to wear it." -Tony Stark, Marvel Cinematic Universe.

@keithwintersjr.7721

3 жыл бұрын

Never made a video for earth or air in Avatar the last airbender and legend of korra

@tyleryam9885

3 жыл бұрын

Whoa you guys misunderstood mangneto. Yeah he was a bad guy but his ideology wasn't like that of storefront

@Firegen1

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for making me feel very valid about my vapid comment about Nazi storyline in season 2 a few months back. "The Ubermensch is the Ubermensch, who knew?" I feel more and less like a dick than ever before 😄. The Take is the best.

@camgeorge6222

3 жыл бұрын

Love ur analysis but the comparison for magneto and stormfront is kind of a huge mistake where magneto is actually part of 2 oppressed group in society. Fighting for his people stormfront is an actually white supremacist. Also stormfront from is more akin to shazam/captain marvel and thor. I think ur channel is awesome but some more looking to comics and mangas/anime will help alot in ur breakdowns.

When the show started I looked at the Supes as arrogant celebrities. By the end of Season 2, I look at them as deeply disturbed politicians

@fuyoutube5708

3 жыл бұрын

Same side of the coin; power, money and fame, being selfish used

@margarethmichelina5146

3 жыл бұрын

Every Supes except for Starlight are two- faces. They just want to be cool in the camera because people see and idolized them. But as the camera off, they finally show who they are. This is how Starlight struggles to join with them because she genuinely wants to help people but she's trapped in corporate greed.

@thomaspan6514

3 жыл бұрын

Nowadays most politicians are celebrities.

@kittykittybangbang9367

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomaspan6514 Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger run for California governor?

@kimberlyhaines107

3 жыл бұрын

@@kittykittybangbang9367 Yeah, and he became our governor. He wasn’t that bad - he was actually pushing for clean air and energy 16 years ago, and he’s pro-LGBT. But he’s a registered Republican who some in his own party, while he was governor, didn’t like all that much because of his occasional liberal ideas. I’m sure some would call him a “RINO” (Republican in name only).

“Or whatever that girl’s name is from the Hunger Games” is especially hilarious because he was literally in the Hunger Games 😂

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. He was? I didn’t know [+]

@shannond7437

3 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 He killed Rue! But yes they definitely nail SO many Easter eggs!

@natalyamartirosyan

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha this is really good

@natalielatta6552

3 жыл бұрын

And Katniss killed him in the movie

@arthurr.r.lucasspublicdoma5621

3 жыл бұрын

And his name was Marvel

I love/hate that the Starlight A-train's dialogue: Starlight: There are more important things than money A -Train: The only people who say that are the ones who grew up with money is sadly true

@emiliomonroy7929

3 жыл бұрын

The thing is that they're both right, they are things more important than money and the show makes that clear by showing all the corruption and the money making machine that doesn't care about people, but A-train is also right because he is in this situation where he feels the need to compete and to be the absolute number one because of the incredible inequiality in welth that is going on in the world, because of the exaggerated expectations of this world he feels like its either ruling the world or being a complete losser, he fails to realize this but he feels that insane pressure anyways, that explains his lack of empathy for any person such as Robin or his own girlfriend because in his mind its either eat or be eaten when in reality even if he loses he's still rich, superpowerful and a winner still, just not the absolute literal number 1 men in the world, so... When starlight says that they are more important things than money, that resonates with him in a deep level because deep down he knows this to be true, but he doesn't accept it because of the notion of succes that this world has exaggerated

@prometheus5405

3 жыл бұрын

Favourite quote in season 2

@arthradot2439

3 жыл бұрын

Makes me think of maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Basically, the idea that we have to meet our own basic needs (food, safety, relationships, self esteem, etc) before we can start thinking of contributing to the bigger picture (self-actualization). It’s not the most concrete motivational theory but it’s one that relates to most situations in at least some aspect

@rodan9773

3 жыл бұрын

Not in any given way I say there are loads of things more important then money and I'm nearly DEAD ASS poor.

@nathantrujillo471

3 жыл бұрын

Health is easily more important that money. Soi thin kits the dichotomy of idealism (some we can actualize) and the mentality stuck in the way the world is set up. One is for change and the other isn’t because it currently benefits them.

The Bois are NOT a symbol of “human decency”, Frenchie has told a horrible history about his first murder and Billy would have exploded Madelyn’s baby for revenge without a second thought, and the reasons behind their actions aren’t usually noble either. The show isn’t black and white, you can have your favourites but they aren’t heroes and most definitely not a example of human decency.

@93abc123

3 жыл бұрын

I think they were referring to the other actions they have taken; Like Frenchie helping Kimiko, Butcher doing the right thing for Homelander’s son by providing him with a better chance at a normal life, they might have ulterior motives for these actions and their reasons to take down Vought but they are doing the right thing, story-wise. Of course, they do some very questionable things, especially Butcher. They could have also mentioned how Butcher and Homelander are two sides of the same coin in some respect

@8balls122

3 жыл бұрын

yeah the boys is more about Hughie being stuck between 2 powerful groups and how they each manipulate others to get what they want

@Petey0707

3 жыл бұрын

Comparing the Seven to the underground is a bit nonsensical. It's a bit like saying, "Yeah, America has committed genocide against the indigenous peoples, but Sitting Bull killed innocent soldiers!" I mean horrible analogy because Sitting Bull was fucking ruthless but. Nevermind.

@somethingcooliguess

3 жыл бұрын

It is interesting, because the Boys are essentially domestic terrorists. In this universe, the Seven are mainstream, part of the cultural sphere, integrating with the military--lawful people by all accounts. Yet we root for the guys with the homemade bombs.

@8balls122

3 жыл бұрын

@@somethingcooliguess to be fair I don't think you're supposed to totally root for billy, he still uses the boys like tools more than allies, he constantly lie to them and the actual protagonist Huey calls him out on his shit.

As much as I agree on the rest of the take on her, I think that comparing the nazi to magneto is rather clumsy. Not only because he is a holocaust survivor but mostly because his hatred of humans is far different than her hatred of minorities. It's not rooted in a feeling of superiority but in resentment against the atrocities humanity comitted against his people, both jewish and mutant. It's kinda like saying that the violence of the oppressors is the same thing as the response of the oppressed. Also I really don't see how we could see him as a facist figure. An extremist? Definitely, but a facist? Really not. And this analogy is made even clumsier when we think about the fact that he was heavily inspired by Malcom X.

@robertamorais7816

3 жыл бұрын

you put it really well, this comparison threw me off

@FafaElania

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was thinking the same, how dare they compare a hollcaust survivor to a Nazi

@sugarmountaineer5383

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! Also, it would have been helpful to mention that Hitler had a tendency to take what he wanted from other people's work, such as Nietzsche's, and re-working it into Nazi ideology. The Ubermensch was intended to serve as something that all men can aspire for, Nietzsche was talking about personal empowerment, not a fascist takeover. Hitler simply cherry picked what he wanted of this philosophy to justify his beliefs.

@jermox

3 жыл бұрын

@@sugarmountaineer5383 Well said. If you read Nietzsche's work you see a man who disliked how his country was moving. Just look up any writing where he talks about Jewish people. He was trying to curtail the movement in Germany.

@mfundonkosi6927

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree. Magneto ended up becoming what he hated most - a fascist. His journey and motivation may have been different but he ultimately ended up identifying mutants as the master race. I can appreciate the complexity and nuance of his path towards fascism but fascist he was. So I think the comparison is justified in that regard.

I love the way they showed how far the American superiority feeling can go, as someone who consumes American media but lives somewhere else I see how some American are unable to see the flaws in their country and that's what stops them from doing better

@fakename3440

3 жыл бұрын

That's blind patriotism.

@Firegen1

3 жыл бұрын

😊 Same. Blind patriotism is tangled up with community spirit. That can't help.

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, only the marginalized communities in the US are aware of how horrible our country still is and how much work still needs to be done. Growing up Mexican/Chicano/Latino/Hispanic community, I thought everyone was aware how bad our country(USA) is. Then I moved to Michigan. I saw that the world is not like East LA. [+]

@soyundorito

3 жыл бұрын

@@fakename3440 at that point it is nationalism and not patriotism tbh

@whitefang238

3 жыл бұрын

it is not about how far it can go, it is how far is has laready gone. More than once

Homelander is actually scary which makes the show fun to show with intense heart pounding in his scenes.

@AxxLAfriku

3 жыл бұрын

HELLO!!! I want to spend time with celebrities. Just kidding. GAGAGAGAGA! I only want to spend time with my two girlfriends and record KZread videos for with the 3 of us. OH YEAH. Don't hate me for living the best life, dear wis

@wisdomadingo2844

3 жыл бұрын

@@AxxLAfriku You have two girlfriends 😯

@somethingcooliguess

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Antony Starr steals every scene he's in. You're never sure what he's going to do to anyone. And he's undoubtedly a monster, but a tragically damaged individual that can't be fixed. I was surprised at how touching it was when he was bonding with Jack at the cabin about overwhelming crowds.

@happychaosofthenorth

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, every scene where he's alone with someone, I never know if that other person is going to survive the conversation or come out of it unscathed. Very rare for me to feel that kind of anxiety when watching a show. It's awesome.

@wisdomadingo2844

3 жыл бұрын

And OMG, my heart skipped a beat when he lasered the protesting crowds in front of him, I was relieved when I saw it was just his imagination.

The biggest superpower in this show is Blackmail. Seriously, there's always one episode when someone blackmailing someone.

@Casshio

3 жыл бұрын

Well yea, that's how you get celebs/the supes, corpoheads and politicians. By threatining to tarnish their image.

@ggk9828

3 жыл бұрын

Wow.... I never noticed that. Nice.

@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233

15 күн бұрын

Just like in real life :)

Given how the comic series was Uber-edgy, grotesque and made almost everyone an asshole, this show is a major step up. The portrayal of Homelander alone is an improvement.

@Yggi11

3 жыл бұрын

Anything other than Garth Ennis is a step up

@bobgunter9608

3 жыл бұрын

Garth Ennis has hart more then can be said for mark miller

@Yggi11

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobgunter9608 Okay, fair point. Ennis can have second-last place.

@wholockedholmes5600

3 жыл бұрын

Ennis has super great worlds and characters but his presentation screams ‘my demographic is edgy 14 yr old boys.’ The Boys comics is made to mock superhero’s while the show is made more out of equal half’s love and criticism of them, and that’s why the show is already leagues ahead of the original comic in terms of quality.

@treygoldsworthy1402

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but I do think the series from him which are legitimately good is Preacher and Punisher: Max, but that’s my opinion.

Its important to note that Homelander is an unstable sociopath due to his upbringing not his superpowers

@egopathtime3273

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, Psychos are born, Sociopaths/Malignant Narcissists are made.

@AirQuotes

2 жыл бұрын

Yer there is hope for his son

@Initiallyleo

2 жыл бұрын

True. That being said, a small part of what might have left him so messed up might have been the times he accidentally hurt or killed his caretakers as a child, like that time we saw him hug one with WAY too much of his strength. While it was mostly his cold, cruel upbringing that made him what he is now, he could have had some similar accidents and some similar traumas if raised by caring parents.

@bernardsoul5186

Жыл бұрын

His upbringing is due to his superpowers

@alim.9801

Жыл бұрын

The powers definitely don't help lol

I don't know, the comparison of a holocaust survivor (Magneto) with a literal Nazi (Stormfront) doesn't sit right with me..

@remyfaulding5287

3 жыл бұрын

It’s very tone deaf. Also it takes a simple google search to find out who Stormfront supposed to be based on so you can avoid doing a thing like this. Do more research because this is dropping the ball and usually it’s fine but in this case it’s the implication is bad

@jcg32002

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, Can't believe they would say that.

@Ngals27

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought!

@MrNeosantana

3 жыл бұрын

Magneto wasn't always a holocaust survivor. That back story is relatively recent and was popularized by the Bryan Singer movies. And to be fair, even as a holocaust survivor, Magneto had some pretty racialist ideals of separating the races.

@remyfaulding5287

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrNeosantana yeah the same movies they used in this video. Plus the 80s isn’t relatively recent. He’s been a Holocaust survivor longer than he hasn’t. And before that he was a stand in for Malcolm X

The show's assessment of Homelander as a Superman who can exist in the real world is pretty wrong. The real reason why Homelander turned out to be the person he is now is because he was raised in a lab by doctors, without the love, care and attention that a parent would give his/her child. Clark Kent was raised by two good human beings who raised him to be an upstanding citizen, encouraging him to stand as an ideal in front of human race. Even Vogelbaum, the chief scientist at Vought expresses this by telling to Homelander that he should have been raised by loving parents.

@BeulahKuku

3 жыл бұрын

Then the show is right given the circumstances. If homelands was a well raised guy corrupt with power, then your point makes more sense. However, even that is plausible. The show explored many different takes on the effect if being a superhero. There are a myriad of possibilities.

@richiesalata5873

3 жыл бұрын

@@BeulahKuku but hes still the superman allegory. Just what would happen if that same super person was not raised in a home that gave him his virtue

@AmethystKaianna

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I always thought made Superman who he is, his parents. I mean you can even see it when he meets people like Zod. How he was brought up made a difference

@dragonstormx

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly that an issue I have with how it depicts superheroes as a bad thing. In order for them to actually turn into the villains they are in the present they all come from messed up lives they turn them into the monsters they are in the show proper. The result is that in terms of background, the supers in the show more so resemble traditional supervillains than they do superheroes. Especially Stormfront, who is more like a genderbent Red Skull than she is Thor or Shazam despite being based on the latter two.

@egopathtime3273

3 жыл бұрын

Thank fucking Christ someone actually understands Nietzsche. The Higher Man is benevolent to humanity, that's the criteria of a higher man. Now, The Slave on the other hand.... what we're seeing is what happens when you have Super Powered FN Slaves, not Super Powered Higher Men.

I don't watch The Boys as a deconstructive superhero show but as a show about the culture of celebrities ,politics and corruption with superheroes added , i know the point was REALLY to deconstruct superheroes but for me it works better that way. For I don't think "realistic superman" means "evil superman" , he would become dissapointed, haunted , a lot of things but nothing like Homelander,who for me he is more like what would happen if you give superpowers to the wrong person

@Spartain14

3 жыл бұрын

Well said. I've also disagreed with the idea that a 'realistic' superman would be evil. That's an oversimplification. And I like the Boys critiques celebrity more than superheroes themselves.

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

I’d argue it’s a deconstruction of all of the above [+]

@Ninja07Keaton

3 жыл бұрын

@@Spartain14 Humans cannot be dubbed as "good" or "evil". Humans are weak hypocrites between. A realistic Superman would also be a hypocrite between, which might actually be even worse than clear evil.

@somethingcooliguess

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, the Boys is more about celebrity worship as they are seen as "god-like" and untouchable to some in our world. It was interesting how that linked with evangelicalism. With social media, celebrities and Supes are more exposed and their image is examined constantly for proper messaging as well as "authenticity". Homelander more represents a child star than the "wrong person getting powers"--never had a childhood and bears severe psychological repercussions. It was pretty heartbreaking when that doctor said he was actually very sweet as a 5 year old and wanted to cuddle. The industry created this environment for instability.

@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ninja07Keaton "hypocrite between"? I know what hypocrite means but why are you adding between on the end?

Please do a take on the celebrity culture in America, and how this culture has elevated celebrities to almost God-like status, where people tend to distinct them from the rest, as if they are of a rare species.

@somethingcooliguess

3 жыл бұрын

I think reality tv was touched on in the Truman Show video. Not sure it focused on the god aspect though

@Kavilion

3 жыл бұрын

Like how their platforms give their political opinions more weight than they deserve, considering the lack of experience in civics in almost all cases

@OneLuckyBear7

3 жыл бұрын

That could have been this video, I think they missed the mark by not really exploring that aspect of it. The critiques of super hero culture is ridiculous considering there isn't a real world parallel to what they dub "super hero culture". The real parallel is these characters and celebrities.

@kkok9666

3 жыл бұрын

@@OneLuckyBear7 totally agree with u

@Hanbl-ip1tn

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel like this could be a part 2. Many celeb’s have been caught using the line ‘do you know who I am?’ As if they’re superior because of their fame.

The blonde, white, cis, thin, feminine Starlight being a fave of Midwesterners and Conservative Christians is definitely great commentary

@lpphillyfan

Жыл бұрын

She's also from the Midwest and was raised Christian.

@thewolf8660

Жыл бұрын

Then again, she's also the only one not a serial killer so...

@kevinvest9693

Жыл бұрын

So a blonde woman? That's so much easier to say! Lol.

@LugiThePainDrinker

Жыл бұрын

@@thewolf8660 yes because the normal woman represents most normal women and people in general. Freaks don’t make up the majority lol

@LugiThePainDrinker

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinvest9693 hard to say that when they are so brainwashed they can’t even go one day without speaking buzzwords

I love the supers in this show. They are all flawed and human but are still forgiven and praised for their atrocities just like real life politicians, because they put on a fake facade.

@Digmer

3 жыл бұрын

or athletes.

@pap64

3 жыл бұрын

Or celebrities in general

@cyrene3682

3 жыл бұрын

Ironic how when we think of such corrupt characters we think of politicians but in reality this also reflects stan culture and celebrities

@xavierharris6954

3 жыл бұрын

@@cyrene3682 CEOs and influencers. Pretty much anyone with power

@solchapeau6343

3 жыл бұрын

More about the company's marketing than the supes fake personalities.

I always thought Stormfront was just a Nazi version of Shazam. In the comics, Stormfront is a man and his costume and powers are heavily inspired by Shazam.

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

Same. No disrespect, just being honest, but I feel like The Take team, aren’t really that into comics. It’s pretty obvious Stormfront is a Captain Marvel aka Captain Thunder aka Shazam satire. [+]

@bbrbbr-on2gd

3 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 well it's a combination of Shazam and Thor. He's on the team Payback (Avengers) and his name is taken from Literal Alt-right Nazis, who often use Norse Mythology in their own B.S.

@desiright

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Also, linking Stormfront (n*zi) to Magneto (concentration camp survivor) via fascism seems...neither great nor accurate. They have veeeeery different motivations.

@kimberleywilliams7802

3 жыл бұрын

@@desiright especially since Magneto is inspired by Malcom X's Ideologies.

@babsybrrrnz

3 жыл бұрын

It is which is why the Magneto comparison is wrong

Surprisingly the show was miles above the comic which had several moments that felt edgy just to be edgy.

@shannond7437

3 жыл бұрын

YES! 🙌 So many do not grasp this!

@alondraperez-ramirez8363

3 жыл бұрын

The magic of Kripke there, guy's a genius on showing trauma and the complexity of being human.

@learn2draw716

3 жыл бұрын

Because you don’t like or understand it?

@brucesnow7125

3 жыл бұрын

@@alondraperez-ramirez8363 first five seasons of Supernatural were phenomenal. He left and show never felt the same. Now he's bringing his A game into Boys, which makes me so happy.

@tiredox3788

3 жыл бұрын

@@learn2draw716 Usually people who say that about the comic don't understand the story or at least research what was the point of writer for doing that.

Homelander is such a great character. You actually feel uneasy when he’s ticked off. I really believed that crowded laser scene.

8:24 It really does showcase how capitalism treats the LGBTQ community.

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. It’s what happens when a non LGBTQ+ member writes a LGBTQ+ story or when a non Black writer writes a Black narrative and so on [+]

@leelahasan3988

3 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 No, that's just what happens when literally any company realizes there's money to be made off of pretending to support gay rights.

@noahreisner5199

3 жыл бұрын

leela Hasan ur literally both right stfu and leave people alone

@leelahasan3988

3 жыл бұрын

@@noahreisner5199 why are you so pressed about this? calm down.

@AxelQC

3 жыл бұрын

Which is a vast improvement from when they were ashamed of us and fired us.

To be quite honest, Stormfront, not Homelander, is the scariest of the "heroes" in the Boys. Unlike Homelander, she actually truly believes in her mission, super hero domination, and will kill anyone to make sure those plans will come into fruition. Homelander is just a hopeless overpowered follower desperate for someone, anyone, to love him and will latch onto who ever does. Stormfront doesn't need that...she never has. Plus, she's a freaking Nazi with electricity powers who can fry you to a crisp just by pointing her hands at you...you just can't get around that.

@tobiaslawrence8928

3 жыл бұрын

Stormfront is a white supremacist/nazi who believes in white superiority even if poc’s had power, she would just straight up kill them. Example just look how she killed kimiko’s brother he had power but she killed him.

@hodorhodor85

3 жыл бұрын

@@tobiaslawrence8928 homelander isnt hopeless. Or owerppwered. He's a superpowered being who knows exactly how to abuse his position whenever the bloodlust gets too much. We tend to coddle protagonists like this sometimes, even if they've done nothing to deserve it.

@bennyton2560

3 жыл бұрын

She has a point demonstrating American political environment, "People agree with what I said, they just don't like the term nazi"

@lazywonderer4669

3 жыл бұрын

Homelander is far worst, at least the fact that stormfront is racist means that she still view herself belonging to a human race. Homelander on the other hand view All humans as lowly creatures and have zero morals towards them, when homelander lose interest in humans as his fans, he will have no reason to hold back and not to kill everyone.

@amityislandchum

3 жыл бұрын

It's spelled *heroes.* Why do people freak out and put an apostrophe before any "s" they encounter? Did you miss the day in 1st grade when you learned how to make words plural?

But heroes were created to be someone to aspire to be. After the wars (when heroes got popular) people read them as an escape. Someone who is ideal and kind. And fights for peace because they were sick of war. Super heroes becoming popular was in direct correlation to the culture at the time.

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. True. I agree. That was the inception of comic book heroes. Time has passed. They have evolved. Society has evolved to the point where we are flooded with Super Hero content. Today, we have a problem with Super Heroes. This show explores the flaws of SuperHero fandom and SuperHeroes as a concept. It’s brilliant [+]

@cartooncottage2024

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, true. But considering human nature, do you really think that every superhero would really treat every average person with respect and decency? It makes sense to look at this critically, especially after 2010s Marvels Movie craze or the DC heroes craze that went on during the decade. Don't get me wrong. I love the Avengers and I love DC superheroes, too but we have to be honest with ourselves. Our obsession with supers needs to be toned down a bit.

@MrNeosantana

3 жыл бұрын

That is very true. It's no surprise that comic books surge in popularity whenever there's a war or heavy turmoil

@beccag2758

3 жыл бұрын

@@cartooncottage2024 I get where you’re coming from, even if I kinda disagree. I am curious why NOW is a time superheroes have become so popular. Is it that CGI is finally good enough to depict realistic action/powers, or is it something else

@tariromoyo348

3 жыл бұрын

If you think about it though just after World war 2 , people had this black and white idea of good and evil; the Nazis were obvious bad guys therefore the ones fighting them must be the good guys . It was a more simplistic view of the world which didn't allow much room for self examination . The very countries fighting the Nazis were engaged in atrocities themselves whether it was Britain and its brutalities in the colonies or America with its own minorities, With the changing times that simplistic world view has had to change. One wonders if the true intentions of the creating such media was truly to inspire or to spread simplistic propaganda about superpowers.

They really hit the nail on the head when it comes to the Deep. I was pitying him while simultaneously unable to sympathize with him and now that I see this, I know it was by design. I can't believe I missed the obvious joke about him being... not so deep!!

Maeve is my absolute favorite. She is so jaded, that it's hard to do anything other than feel sorry for her. I can't explain it, but just a glance at her facial expressions and you know that she is over it, all of it, but she is still there, punching that time card.

The saddest part is that people believe Homelander is the default for humanity, instead of Superman. To quote Kyle Kallgren, "It's not that we can't believe that a man can fly. It's that we can't believe that a person can know that it's *wrong* to kill." The "real" Superman is a person who just wants to do the right thing, because its the right thing to do. Literally, a character born from compassion because the original didn't sit right for the creators, especially after the rise of the Nazis.

@cui8789

3 жыл бұрын

Killing is wrong in certain contexts. All murders are killings but not every killing is a murder.

@angellover02171

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair Superman is raised by loving parents and Homelander is raised by doctors.

@lordanonimmo7699

3 жыл бұрын

@@angellover02171 isn't just that,superman wasn't raised in a big city,a consumist society,with ads that incentive you to buy to have everything,far away from the big and toxic media and other things.This helped him a lot.If he was raised in metropolis he would be like ultraman.

@bbrbbr-on2gd

3 жыл бұрын

@Cicada 5 Tbf the context was Zack Snyder saying he didn't think Superman could be "relatable" unless he *absolutely* killed Zod. The main part being having to have Superman kill someone in order to make him relatable, instead of writing the story a different way. For a better example of Superman "finding another way", watch Superman Vs The Elite. It's a good watch.

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

I’d argue that the default is both. We all have two wolves fighting for supremacy. And, like they say, which one wins? The one you... [+]

I think you’re forgetting that the show shows us also how the boys are everything but something to aspire to, they got a lot of flaws too, the point is that there are just people who try to do their best

@fuyoutube5708

3 жыл бұрын

And even that it’s being generous, Billy’s motivation is raw revenge, and seems like after second season people really forgot Frenchie describing his first victim in the second episode of first season.

@lexi-op5vk

3 жыл бұрын

@@fuyoutube5708 Absolutely!

@bennyton2560

3 жыл бұрын

@@fuyoutube5708 we still don't know why Frenchie killed that lady tho? maybe he was on a hitman job

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

2 жыл бұрын

R@ping someone is trying their best? White supremacy is their best? Girl bye. F*ck them and all that.

@jacobunofficial1146

2 жыл бұрын

Frenchie was working for Nina at that time

The Boys is brilliant commentary on society's obsession with superheroes, really.

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

And all of the above aforementioned deconstructions [+]

@carlathedestructor2454

3 жыл бұрын

Not just superheroes but celebrities and ultra wealthy people in general.

@johans3164

3 жыл бұрын

its also a commentary on people's blind admiration and devotion to celebrities in general, praising them as heroes or gods, while turning a blind eye to some of their past misdeeds. if the celeb got their shit together and genuinely become a better person, i have no problem. but the level of insane admiration created by the public to the celebrities feed into their ego, making them arrogant and believe anything they do as important, which is terrifying

@brucesnow7125

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like you guys are missing the whole picture and focusing on symptoms. Show is more focused on criticizing corporations, that's the disease. Don't forget that supes in this show are product of what corporations turned them into. They were taught to value reputation and money above all, so they turned into monsters. We see how Maeve, who used to be a real hero, get completely disillusioned by how messed up the corporations are and that she can't do anything about it. So in many ways, not only it criticizes celebrity worship, but also criticizes the system that turns celebrities into a-holes.

@badconnection4383

3 жыл бұрын

More like Celebrity culture

When discussing the superhero genre in an English class, one of the main complaints my professor had was the very black and white narrative this genre had, Good vs. Evil. He admitted that he didn't really watch a lot of superhero films or read comics, so I told him about how superhero comics evolved from this very obvious black and white view to more nuanced understanding of good and evil. But his point still stands in regards to films, where it caters to a larger mainstream audience. While this doesn't mean superhero films can't be challenging or be realistic in it's depiction of good and evil, Marvel and D.C. aren't willing to risk the profit these films make that challenges the idealistic view we have on our favorite superhero's.

@tobiaslawrence8928

3 жыл бұрын

I respectfully disagree.....on the last statement.

@ellax325

3 жыл бұрын

@@tobiaslawrence8928 I agree with you. Like Captain America: Civil War and Batman Vs Superman are pretty clear indicators that not everything is black and white otherwise why would superheroes have any reason to fight one another in the first place.

@brucesnow7125

3 жыл бұрын

@@ellax325 Batman v Superman had a clear cut rich a-hole as a villain. Civil War, on the other hand, had a villain who turned himself into a monster to get revenge because Avengers caused the death of his family, which is lot more complex. In many ways, Zemo saw Avengers as powerful elites who can't be justly punished for their deeds, so he only saw one way to beat them and that was through violence.

@marvel096

3 жыл бұрын

you tell him to watch daredevil, punisher, jessica jones, legion, even magneto in the x-men is a complex villain (and the mutant themselves are too). all of these portray a more nuanced vision of superheroes.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

2 жыл бұрын

As a BLK Person, I always thought it was so contradictory and very white supremacy esque, if that makes sense.

We hate to see it but if superheroes existed in real life, they would probably be like The Boys heroes, not the Marvel ones.

@tobiaslawrence8928

3 жыл бұрын

Some will some won’t but there are people who would like myself would just goof off with my powers. Not goof of in a pull dumb discusting pranks but just rob a bank here and there, like the movie jumper.

@ShadowDragon1011

3 жыл бұрын

@@tobiaslawrence8928 So you proved his point. Got it.

@StarJester

3 жыл бұрын

@@tobiaslawrence8928 lol what happened to "with great power comes great responsibility"?

@51stcenturygirl

3 жыл бұрын

They do exist here. They are known as "rich people".

@badreedinedjellali1328

3 жыл бұрын

and superpowers don't work like you think it will cause you big problems

Starlight is what the cw supergirl should have been.

@darkservantofheaven

3 жыл бұрын

I need to watch that

@LooseAsADEUCE

3 жыл бұрын

...why?

@user-rv4wn5qk7q

3 жыл бұрын

The Supergirl from Smallville is so much better than this SJW we have now

@eldron29-a54

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-rv4wn5qk7q hum, your name is so jew/Hispanic I bet you won't last a year alive in usa anti-SJWs environment. It's funny because the irony. A lot of minorities are taught to reject the movements that are the reason for those minorities having rights in the first place. XD.

@KateeAngel

3 жыл бұрын

@@eldron29-a54 you misunderstand, there is a difference between people who actually do something to fight for rights of minorities and wokescoldes/SJWs. The latter are outraged at every little thing, especially pretty inconsequential ones, but don't do anything of substance to change things. And media using minorities and ideals of social justice only as tokens to make more money is the best example. When I watched "Supergirl" (long ago, the first season) I couldn't get rid of the feeling that they are just trying to insert badly written "feminist ideas" into every part of the series in order to look progressive

Did The Take seriously compare Stormfront, a Nazi, to Magneto, a Holocaust survivor? Magneto is fueled by justified rage at what was done to him and his people by the Nazis like Stormfront, and to make sure that something like the Holocaust doesn't happen to mutants. He's going about it the wrong way, but he and Stormfront are not comparable in the slightest.

@mariagabrielarodrigues7626

3 жыл бұрын

We also have to remember that Magneto was heavily inspired by Malcolm X. This analogy is disgusting, we cannot compare the violence of the oppressor with the response of the oppressed

@JoaoPedro-gc8mw

3 жыл бұрын

Well, he was still kind of a "mutant supremacist". Still, even if their motivations are not comparable, one can say they are comparable in methods.

@lilil9752

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, i like the rest of the video but that part was so badly,they should read this comment

@horace6851

3 жыл бұрын

read a bit what happened in Poland after WWII and how Jewish survivors were prosecuting people together with communist regime. It happens, people who are damaged beyond repair can become oppressors themselves out of hatred and pure despair. That's what happened to Magento and that's why he is like Stormfront. He claims that mutants are the superior race and their lives are more worthy than non-mutants. Geez, he even wears a helmet of his mother's killer (if we focus on movies).

@Ngals27

3 жыл бұрын

And...the fact that "he's going about it the wrong way" is debatable

I love the boys. My favorite characters are actually Frenchie, Kimiko and MM. I think they are the heart of the show.

@adeolaegbeyemi4180

3 жыл бұрын

This is THE Take

@bennyton2560

3 жыл бұрын

yes Frenchie and Kimiko finally went dancing I'm so happy ^^

@tariizm1500

Жыл бұрын

heart of show is by far Homelander you can see in popularity too... tbh Kimiko parts were always broing

I think that the success of the Boys is a product of superhero fatigue and that comic creator Garth Ennis had an early experience of this through comics so his take on superheroes is hyper cynical and ultimately forgets the moral motivation of the genre but at the same time there is truth in what Marvel, DC and franchise media has become today and that is a money fueled entity with its sole purpose of gaining more money.

@johans3164

3 жыл бұрын

i mean its capitalism. i dont think people like Garth Ennis can survive in this world without money. if you can survive without needing any money, then you can criticize it all you want. but this obsession of "man, every popular things become money fueled entity, therefore its EVILLL". but these people would immedialty changed their minds if given countless money offered to them

@somedudeintheinterweb8665

2 жыл бұрын

@@johans3164 money makes the world go around, it's why it was invented. Profiting ain't bad but of course there does need to be a line

Saying that Stormfront is a parallel of Magneto is completely missing the nuances and purpose of Magneto's journey and story

@mcgovemj

3 жыл бұрын

@Carolain Angel False

@mcgovemj

3 жыл бұрын

@Carolain Angel Why is it true?

@commanderclown8620

2 жыл бұрын

They're both violent supremacists that want a "utopia" where everyone they deem to be lesser is exterminated or subjugated. Magneto certainly has a more compelling motivation than Stormfront. But him and Homelander would probably get along great with their view of themselves as superior to everyone else.

Is anyone gonna talk about how they compared Magneto (a holocaust survivor) with a literal nazi?

@jaketheberge1970

3 жыл бұрын

I aggre with their comparison mostly but not mentioning his time in Auschwitz was a mistake. Magneto is fighting oppression but starts to become to extreme while Stormfront was raised and molded by a totalitarian government and now has no remorse for other races. Hell even Homelander gets weirded out by her White genocide speech she gives his son. When Homelander (a milk obsessed sociopath who Jack's off on buildings screaming I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT!) starts looking down on your beliefs you are definitely in the wrong.

@BigHenFor

3 жыл бұрын

Because Magneto employed the same tactics in order to protect his "race" of mutants from other human beings. Remember Stormfront did not talk about the holocaust, but glorified the superiority of Supes as a solution to protect those who she saw as her people, and to get power. She is more about the ideology of essentialist nationalism as a springboard for fascism and racism. In that, Magneto and Stormfront are on the same page, because they both operate from a sense of fear of them and theirs being destroyed.

@chongwillson972

3 жыл бұрын

@@BigHenFor except magneto fears are somewhat justifiable because mutants are the most targeted people literally machines of genocide are built to destroy mutants countless times people in power want to get rid of them/control them and out of every super powered people they are the most targeted of genocide ,hate, slavery, general apocalypses and have a literal time traveling messiah figure who is always fighting for a better future and that guy can move planets and he is not enough to save the mutant race

@theexistentialnihilist2070

3 жыл бұрын

It's incredibly commom for the oppressed to become the oppressors after the revolution. I know Woke absolutely despise hearing that, but it is a pattern that has repeated throughout history.

@BigHenFor

3 жыл бұрын

@@chongwillson972 Both are operating from fear, and people on both sides are killed because of that. 2 wrongs don't make a right. You can sympathise, but they're both wrong on both sides. Magneto is making things worse, as nobody can win in such a conflict, neither humans or mutants. And that's something all humans should consider before they go down the racist black hole.

Fwiw, there's also the fact that Homelander is basically a take on how upbringing can matter with regards to the use of power. Whereas Superman is raised as a humble farmboy and takes those classical rural American values to heart, Homelander was effectively a test-tube child, and raised in a sterile environment with minimal meaningful human interaction. Since he never interacted with people on a human level, he only knows his power and is callous towards humanity. I think more than the "tendency to prize the super over the hero", I'd say the show is more about the "tendency to prize the super over the human".

Bit of an oof relating the Nazi character to the jewish Magneto 😅

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Many people have stated this. Hopefully, they’ll do a bit more research next time. Black Adam or Shazam could have been a betters choice [+]

@wrestlinganime4life288

3 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 I mean I thought it was obvious that he was a Shazam parody.

@Elixor43579

3 жыл бұрын

@@wrestlinganime4life288 I’m pretty sure comic stormfront was based on Thor

@citrine7218

3 жыл бұрын

@@Elixor43579 its both apparently

Hate to be the "Uhm, actually..." guy but Stormfront is based on Thor (and Shazam but Thor is more important as an influence).

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

Really? I always thought Stormfront was Shazam or Black Adam [+]

@j.albuquerque9274

3 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 The original male Stormfront from the comics was in the Payback (the Avengers of this universe) with other Marvel inspired heroes, and make sense being Thor with the whole Norse thing.

@Timri3681

3 жыл бұрын

Naw, we all love to be the "Um, Actually..." guy. We just don't want to really say "Um, actually..." lol

@j.albuquerque9274

3 жыл бұрын

@@Timri3681 Sel-awareness is my strenght.

@finnanima2413

3 жыл бұрын

What about Storm? She has control over weather and is female.

MY problem with superheroes is that they've become too much of a cliche in our culture. Sure, one time they were new and kinda refreshing, but now they've become stale.

@tobiaslawrence8928

3 жыл бұрын

I kinda disagree

@seanwegner9925

3 жыл бұрын

Tobias Lawrence same. Superheroes and their concept have been around since the 1930s. The marvel and DC movies might be stale but trust me, these characters will still be around in the next 20 years. Might not be the billion dollar movies they pump out but this concept is here to stay and it’s slowly becoming a modern mythology

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. The films are... mostly overdone. But, the comics and films have some hidden gems. Logan is an overlooked, super hero film. Deadpool was phenomenal. Same can be said about Black Panther and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 [+]

@wrestlinganime4life288

3 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 movies like Logan and Joker are a nice contrast to Spiderverse. The first 2 are a more cynical views on the genre while the later a celebration of it.

@AlbinoTanuki

3 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 I personally prefer Freakazoid over Deadpool.

Basically guys and gals, the message is that when it comes to superheroes, we need to focus on the "hero" part as well as the "super"!

@alim.9801

2 жыл бұрын

Off topic but I love your name, I used to know a lighting guy named Kwame and seeing the name made me smile, hope your life is goin ok and you're doin good 🥰

"Show me a hero, I'll write you tragedy"--- F. Scott Fitzgerald.

My favorite thing about the show is that there are No heroes. Everyone has blood on their hands for their own self gain.

While watching the boys, i kept thinking "this is why we need batman, to keep someone like homelanders in check"

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

That's why they have Black Noir on the Seven. He's a Batman Analogue.

@taniadickson541

2 жыл бұрын

Batman would be like black noire in real life

@tivednagol9127

2 жыл бұрын

How do you know Batman wouldn't end up as part of the problem?

@commanderclown8620

2 жыл бұрын

@@tivednagol9127 well for starters, he has no powers. Even with his money, he's had to fight and train non-stop to get to where he is. So he wouldn't have the problem of power corrupting. He also has a sense of morality stronger than everyone in the boys universe combined. Thanks to a mixture of a strong moral upbringing by his parents and Alfred. As well as a traumatic personal tragedy that only made his sense of morality even stronger. Batman is also capable of acknowledging not only the flaws of others, but also his own. He's created contingency plans to take himself down. And the fact that he has such a strict no kill rule makes it clear that he understands that he can't always be trusted to make the right decision. So he uses that rule to pull himself back whenever he snaps.

kinda bad analysis about Magneto and comparing his “villainy” to Stormfront... dude is a Holocaust survivor and lost family in the camps... no way he’s comparable to an actual Nazi like Stormfront... But aside from that, this was another excellent video the Take

@mcgovemj

3 жыл бұрын

Did Magneto consider mutants to be inherently superior non-mutants and seek to enslave/exterminate non-mutants?

@tariqthomas9090

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I was also gonna say this.

@mcgovemj

3 жыл бұрын

@Carolain Angel Where did I say he couldn't be angry?

@mcgovemj

3 жыл бұрын

@Carolain Angel But he wants to subjugate *all* of humanity because he also feels that mutants are genetically superior to non-mutants.

@MSmith-fe7ie

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcgovemj he would probably never have felt that way if Nazis hadnt murdered his family along with 6 million other Jewish people for pretty much no reason...

Actually, Soldier Boy is the Boys version of Cap.

@remyfaulding5287

3 жыл бұрын

They both are cap it’s not as linear as x=y

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

^^^^This^^^

@joekfranklin

3 жыл бұрын

Remy Faulding yeah he wears the literal American flag as a cape. Don't know why people can't comprehend that an influence doesn't have to be a perfect 1-to-1 analogue.

They knock it out of the park every time. The Take is the best

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

Precisely, they come up with the best arguments and analyses, that I automatically find myself agreeing with them by the time the video is over! 📹😻

@vservo1149

3 жыл бұрын

Many people have zero independent thought. Its kinda the plot of the boys. Good job

@Firegen1

3 жыл бұрын

@@vservo1149 🤷🏾‍♀️ That was an independent thought. The comment agrees with The Take and the argument style. What's your point?

@vservo1149

3 жыл бұрын

@@Firegen1 the take thinks homelander is part captain america. Their take is dumb off the start. What's your point.

@vservo1149

3 жыл бұрын

@@Firegen1 hero have um flag. Hero is um captain merica. Man are they going to be annoyed when the captain america character appears in season three

this is probably why spider-man is such a popular superhero. since anyone can be spider-man and no one KNOWS who spider-man is, it's ultimately up to the morality and values of the person with powers wether they wanna be a hero or not. there's no chosen one narrative, no celebrity like praise (at least not towards to true identity of spider-man) and since anyone can be spiderman, there are countless versions of the story. also, i feel like "superhero" movies that take place in a fantastical/otherwordly setting or don't necessarily have to do with being a superhero, like The Winter Soldier, Black Panther and Thor: Ragnarok, are much better than movies like superman or batman or Iron Man.

@learn2draw716

3 жыл бұрын

But Peter Parker was an asshole who only cared about status and money for his first 30 issues. The one thing that made him relatable was his relationship with his friends and family, his work life and school life, and his very flawed character.

@danidkg4071

2 жыл бұрын

@@learn2draw716 true, but i'm not talking about peter parker, i'm talking about spider-man. and there are a lot of different interpretations of peter parker's character in the comics as well. what i meant is that spider-man is popular because it's about the values the superhero represents, not the superhero.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

2 жыл бұрын

@@learn2draw716 Wait actually? I did NOT know that!

The Friedrich Nietzsche's concept of the Übermensch wasn't really that bad, sure the Nazis made use of it, but they also made use of Germanic mythology and all kinds of other stuff. Anyway they either didn't understand the concept or deliberately misrepresented it. It wouldn't have been the worst thing they've done. It's still mostly nonsense though, you can't form a working society of staunch individualists bordering extremism.

@jolly_39

3 жыл бұрын

Nietzsche is a more complicated case. Nietzsche was unable to communicate with the outside world following a number of strokes and a mental breakdown. Nietschzes sister became his full-time caretaker and she and her husband were full blown nazis, albeit that term didn't exist yet. The sister puplished The Will to Power under her brother's name but it was actually written by herself with some of Nietschze's unpublished notes sprinkled in.

@nekrataali

3 жыл бұрын

@@jolly_39 To add to this, Nietzsche refused to attend his sister's wedding because of her husband's antisemitism. She also had her own writings and writing by Nazi party members inserted through her brother's works when they were republished in new editions during Nazi Germany. Since she was Freddy's only relative as he had no children or spouse and his mother died, she had sole claim over his estate. Unfortunately, even after the war, Nietzsche's work has been tainted by fascists. Nietzsche's main idea was humans relied too much on religion to the point they killed God, both literally and figuratively. "God is dead," is often repeated by people and they take this as being an argument for nihilism. The full quote is "God is dead, for we have killed him." Nietzsche was commenting on religion allowing people to shirk all responsibility in this life in hopes of what comes after. Ol' Freddy thought this leads to nihilism, as nothing we do as mortals really matters because we only have to appease whatever deities we worship. Christianity itself gained much of Nietzsche's criticism, since Christianity literally killed its god (the crucifixion of Jesus who died for our sins) and asks Christians to accept Jesus as their lord and savior. Upon doing so, they will be given eternal life. So in Nietzsche's opinion, religion (Christianity in particular) meant people were free to harm one another. Nietzsche's solution to this was the Overman/Superman/Ubermensch. Since we accidentally killed God with our religious philosophy, we should instead seek to become "godlike" ourselves by changing the world around us in a positive way. Life shouldn't be nihilist, but instead should be mastery over ourselves so we can alter history. Of course, Nazis being the assholes that they are, threw out all the bits about religious philosophy destroying itself and replaced it with "God is dead, for the Jews have killed him!" The Superman concept was watered down into pseudo-scientific race theory, etc. etc.

@Zen-sx5io

3 жыл бұрын

@@nekrataali Thanks.

Superman is not an übermensch. He has godlike powers and doesn't actually need to overcome his problems, which is a pretty weak translation of nietzsche. Also, major inaccurate on your part, because nietzsche Never condoned Hitler or the Nazi's

@mateustravaglini6103

3 жыл бұрын

clearly they didnt research Nietzsche not even in surface nor read any books. Its so stupid to see ppl using philosophical terms just for marketing porpuses and to look fancy.

@jermox

3 жыл бұрын

They are trying to play connect the dots to draw Superman to Hitler. It is a very weak argument.

@whatislove3825

3 жыл бұрын

@@jermox LOL Superman fought the Nazi's Jesus fucking christ

@gawkthimm6030

3 жыл бұрын

nietzsche was hospitalized while his Sister I think joined the nazis and twisted his work to suit them

@Ponakalaranjit456

3 жыл бұрын

Ubermensch? You mean like a Superhuman?

I love you guys! One thing I would say is that if Stormfront is a Nazi, you can't really compare her to Magneto, who (fictionally obviously) was a victim of the Holocaust. Their contexts are very different.

@bobgunter9608

3 жыл бұрын

In the comic he’s more like Shazam and Thor mixed together

@yaboityler2617

3 жыл бұрын

Magneto believes mutants are a superior race and tries to wipe out all the non mutants in X2. Hes an egomaniacal supremacist

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

Your right! She's more like Shazam's Capt. Nazi.

@wrestlinganime4life288

2 жыл бұрын

​@@darlalathan6143 nah Magneto believes in race superiority

@commanderclown8620

2 жыл бұрын

Magneto is literally a racial supremacist who wants to enslave or wipe out all humans becuase he deems them inferior.

9:33 "Stormfront doesn't have an obvious superhero equivalent." Um... what about Shazam?

Starlight is modeled after a beauty pageant winner. Thank you!

@uroboros_8563

3 жыл бұрын

Who

@crystalwolcott4744

3 жыл бұрын

@@uroboros_8563 all of them in general, just that type

@datuangela

3 жыл бұрын

@@crystalwolcott4744 how?

We DO need heroes, though. We always have and always will. Maybe not super heroes, though they have been around for at least 2000 years.

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. They said focus less on the Super and more on the hero [+]

@jamesjones8956

3 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 But this show doesn't have any heroes in it at all. Though I will concede that the protagonists aren't villains that doesn't mean they are heroes. Heroes, by definition, are exceptional. That is the one part of the definition of the word that has remained constant throughout the centuries, not that they were good. The protagonists are basically schlubs who are doing their best. If that is what a hero is then either it becomes so broad the word has no meaning or if it is rare then there is no hope for any of us.

@coletrain583

2 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 That’s basically what the Boys was always about. The modern day David vs. Goliath.

I would give credit to both Incredibles films since both do look at superhero culture through a very unique and at times subtle lens at superhero culture, one using Syndrome as a dark mirror to our own obsession with being about super and less about the hero, and film 2 was about how society would be too reliant on supers if they did exist. Both films and The Boys do a great job of dissecting the superhero myths and lore and making it real without harping on the comic book and film heroes that inspired a whole generation. They serve as cautionary tales about how obsessing with the powers of a hero can turn you into a villain

Y’all called Magneto Hitler when he is actually Malcolm X.

@davidcasas3758

3 жыл бұрын

Malcom X was a murdering POS as well.

@norah4892

3 жыл бұрын

I caught that too. Very unfair of them. Magneto still is one of my favorite characters.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidcasas3758 No, he wasn’t. Glad he was doing it to you yts. As he should.

@wrestlinganime4life288

Жыл бұрын

No.. Magneto is a supremacists, do you guys read comics

Decades of this and people still don’t GET “superhero culture.” It’s encapsulated in Spidey’s catchphrase. Noblesse oblige. Those with power bear responsibility to match. Or should. Been the message all along. If you CAN help, you should. Sure, you can fail or make a mistake. But acting is better than watching others suffer. If you read comics, you learn pretty quickly that even the most powerful heroes tackle problems their powers don’t address, where the prime factor is their sense of responsibility, not their powers. As fantasies go, that’s backwards. We in America don’t like talking about noblesse oblige. At all. So much so that we can ignore decades of that very message to see something else entirely. The Boys is an example of a superhero culture with no sense of noblesse oblige at all. Then again, in Marvel’s stories in particular, those who seek power inevitably become monsters. An example of what I call Herbert’s Law. “It’s not so much that power corrupts as that it tends to attract the corruptible.” The “heroes” in The Boys are monsters. By that definition. Not a coincidence. You all want another take, try reading the Super Powereds series by Drew Hayes. His take on the genre was enough to make my wife a huge fan of his universe, and she’s generally meh about supers. Nobody really gets superheroes. Not even some of the writers. Stan Lee, on the other hand, got them. He knew.

@wildcatste

3 жыл бұрын

THIS 100% I really do wonder why the writer went into comics and superhero stories when he so clearly doesn't like them.

@zenspeed404

3 жыл бұрын

@@wildcatste Garth Ennis? The guy who wrote "Of Thee I Sing?" Because the best stories are those that subvert what we expect out of the genre while confirming something we have always suspected: humans are bastards, power corrupts, and nobody does anything for free. Ennis was born in Northern Ireland, and had a depressingly realistic view of humans and authority, something that carried over into his view of superhumans. But he did write "Of Thee I Sing" because heroes with the moral fiber of Superman are rare while humans with the moral fiber of the Seven are much more common.

@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024

2 жыл бұрын

It came from white supremacy and colonization…..

The Boyz is an amazing show.

i always thought black noir was based off of snake eyes from gi joe

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

He fits as well. [+]

I love this show but I really don’t agree with the idea that if superheroes existed “they would actually be sociopaths”. I genuinely think that humanity is much more complex than that. True goodness does exist, even in those with massive privileges.

@trinaq

3 жыл бұрын

I greatly concur! I love how this show offers a grim, Cynical insight into what would happen if superheroes really existed. None of the characters, with the possible exceptions of Starlight and Hughie, are depicted as decent people, and they all operate in various shades of grey. Even the Boys, who want to take down the Seven and Vought, are anti heroes at best, with Butcher being the prime example.🦸🏾‍♀️

@Fatima-kp8hi

3 жыл бұрын

I completely disagree with you. Majority of people with that amount of power is more likely to be sociopathic. Often times the worst character of people is the rich and powerful. Although not all are bad, sociopathic people make “better” leaders. I think it’s a little naive to think that superhero’s would be any different.

@Firegen1

3 жыл бұрын

Eh 2:35 covers this argument pretty well. If you have a person who can't be held accountable with any real consequence to them, how are you sure they are learning? I have a real dislike for "goodness" being sold as inherent trait. Good behaviour is active and has to be repeated consistently to make a difference. As the show discusses there are far too many people who think they are good because their cause can be interpreted that way. The twist villain for example ..... 🤭🤐

@sugafree_agustd6194

3 жыл бұрын

do not forget that humans are naturally evil and our whole life is spent suppressing that.

@tariqthomas9090

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fatima-kp8hi It’s not naive. It’s just genuine optimism. Homelander and Stormfront are the only characters that are truly sociopathic. And it’s not the powers that make them evil. Homelander was groomed to be fascist homicidal monster, while Stormfront was a literal nazi before she gained powers. On the other hand, Butcher is almost as capable of being destructive and ruthless as Homelander. The idea that absolute power corrupts absolutely is a philosophy that has been refuted many times. Power doesn’t corrupt, it reveals.

It's unfair Pressure for society to expect every Psychic to either be a vigilante or terrorist.

Stormfront's equivalents are Thor and Shazam.

@jakubrejak1114

3 жыл бұрын

And if we consider also attitude and gender, I'd say also Captain Marvel.

@hMusic-tb8hl

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know, she screamed Palpatine to me.

@jakubrejak1114

3 жыл бұрын

@@hMusic-tb8hl Or Rey if she had turned to the Dark Side.

@hMusic-tb8hl

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakubrejak1114 Why Rey, apart from the fact that they're both women ? Rey never had a fascist ideology, Palpatine did, using Darth Vader just as Stormfront uses Homelander.

@jakubrejak1114

3 жыл бұрын

@@hMusic-tb8hl I wrote "If she TURNED TO THE DARK SIDE".

While I love superhero movies and shows and seeing comic book characters coming to life, there are so many aspects that I get tired of. There’s so many male superheroes but not enough female superheroes. And there’s only ever a single one on a grand-scale team of superheroes, like Wonder Woman in the Justice League and Black Widow in the Avengers. Then they constantly have to be strong and vehemently refrain from expressing vulnerability. Sometimes more female heroes get introduced, like Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel, but then they get little attention and are overlooked or are demonized by overzealous gatekeeping fans. And even then, rarely do any of them get solo films or shows like male superheroes often do. Wonder Woman was an exception to this and not the rule. We need and deserve more female superheroes playing prominent roles in films and television!

@mcpics4448

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah superheroes in movie and show has been slow to include female heroes in the forefront (Personal I blame the business)

@blackdragon6

3 жыл бұрын

There's also the fact There's not enough female and minority fans to drive change. At least, according to the entertainment industry.

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

Sad but true. Unfortunately, SuperHeroes was a White Cis Male club for decades before others were welcomed to join. Moreover, it is a product of capitalism. Money makes moves. Therefore, if the demand is large, they will do it. Sadly, as you mentioned, Wonder Woman, was one of the 1st films that was a huge success as a female lead narrative with a female protagonist. If more female lead narratives were a success, they would make more. Additionally, comics are now a testing grown for stories. If the female narratives in comics sold the most, then the company would push to make their stories on the big screen. The problem is, people who want diversity in the films, don’t read comics. It’s all a business. They have the numbers for how many people buy Batman/Spider-Man/Spawn/TMNT and how many people buy, MsMarvel(Kamala)/Batwoman(Kane)/Black Widow/LumberJanes/Paper Girls and etc. I’d love to see Jaime Reyes aka Blue Beetle or Robbie Reyes aka Ghost Rider on the big screen. But, I know I have to wait because their comics didn’t sell as much as Captain America’s comic. It is what it is. [+]

@beccag2758

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry, Wanda’s about to be pivotal in the MCU and I can’t wait!!! I also can’t wait for Black Widow but I’m very carefully hyping myself up for that in case it’s delayed again

@dithaingampanmei

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno, ask your Romcom loving girlfriends to get interested in female superheroes? And by pushing for surface level representation won't help u either. Otherwise you'll get boring movies like captain marvel.

I would like to see a video about the disposable partner that keeps getting dumped.

@WickedKnightAlbel

3 жыл бұрын

Women In the Fridge? (I think that's what they call it)

As liberal as this may sound, ultimately the villains of the story is us. American society would certainly exploit super heroes if they could. Keep them locked from the outside world, unable to connect to the very people they were meant to protect. When Starlight stopped a sexual assault, she wasn’t met with praise and admiration, no, she was met with distain and disapproval. When Starlight speaks out against her assaulter, she created a PR nightmare for Ashley, to the point where they had to fire her. Vought could be an allegory for any corporate American company. You name it. But stopping the seven, means stopping the evil practice of valuing fame over genuine heroics. The series needs to end with the American people coming to terms with the fact that these so called gods, are nothing short of human. The American people need to understand that the only people that are going to help them is themselves. And hopefully, the series can end with Ryan becoming the hero the world truly needed to begin with.

How America see's itself, Superman How the world see's America, Homelamder

the short answer: everything

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t agree but I can see where you’re coming from [+]

As a psychology student I just have to point out that Homelander isn't a sociopath, he's an extreme narcissist. Narcissism, sociopathy and psychopathy are very similar but the key difference is the root that they've spawned from. Narcissists are in capable of seeing their flaws even though they know right from wrong, whereas a psychopath and sociopath simply don't care. All three are very superficially charming and good at playing a role, but while the psychopath and sociopath tailor who they pretend to be to whatever you would respond to and know that it's all a lie, the narcissist has crafted a specific image of themselves that they are attached to, and to them that image is reality no matter what they do. They reject any challenge to that image and will go to great lengths to maintain it, and can become vicious to any perceived threats. They typically are most like a child emotionally, and can be manipulated if you know how to pull their strings because ultimately they are still a sad, insecure little child desperately searching for an identity and validation and a place to belong. A true sociopath would be Stan Edgar. Cold, calculating, hyper intelligent and hyper manipulative, very perceptive and always in control of himself and others, unconcerned with right or wrong or the damage he does to others, willingly discards anyone who gets in his way but doesn't have a need for violence himself- rather, he would get someone else to do it for him because he likes knowing that he can control people. He cares about no one and he doesn't need validation or attention because he knows exactly who he is. To him everyone is expendable including whatever version of himself he's portraying in order to accomplish his current goals.

It is very insensitive to compare a holocaust survivor with a Nazi. Even if they are just carachters of a Tv show. That's when you know that a critical, even with a very accurate interpretation, is made by privileged people. Not knowing the difference between the response of an opperssed, and reasonably anger person, and the unjustified hatred acts of an oppressor is usual for people who just don't get what is to deal with oppression.

@mcgovemj

3 жыл бұрын

How is it insensitive when Magneto literally thought that mutants were inherently superior to non-mutants and that they should rule over non-mutants?

@fuyoutube5708

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcgovemj He’s wrong actions was a response to hate and aggression, she’s purely motivated from her believes of superiority. He born that way and paid for it, she became a super so she could oppress. Also both realities are completely different since in the Boys being a super is considered a good thing but in X-man it isn’t.

@learn2draw716

3 жыл бұрын

Wow. Over sensitive much.

@KateeAngel

3 жыл бұрын

Jews are not very oppressed anymore, certainly not on the level of POCs, LGBTQ people etc. Stop making perpetual victims of someone, just because they were victims in the past. Look at how Israeli government treats Palestine. A real world example that past victims can do bad things themselves

@KateeAngel

3 жыл бұрын

@@fuyoutube5708 well, if a person suffering from trauma becomes murderous and violent, he still is a bad guy, no matter how bad the trauma was.

As much well made as The Boys certainly is, both the comic and the series go at the superhero genre with a cynical and biased perspective that utterly fails at criticizing the point of superheroes. The reason why superheroes were invented in the first place is to show us pure, uncompromised, sincere versions of good and evil. Real life - and all forms of fiction that replicate real life - is bound to demonstrate purely ethical behavior buried under heavy bureaucratic and regulated decision-making processes that are arrested by socially accepted norms, company-oriented performance goals, or politically-conditioned practices and beliefs that may or may not label their agent as compliant or non-compliant with the rules. Superheroes take all that away, and reassure you that just because your boss tells you to do something, that doesn't mean it is right. Not here, not anywhere. Superheroes remind you that good is still good, and that evil is still evil. Their costumes aren't supposed to be fabric. There's a reason why they are shown as skin-tight spandex in comics in the first place. They are the characters' second skin. Their colors show their personality and what they stand for. Superman is strength, determination and peace. That's why he's blue and red. Batman is pragmatic, vengeful and nightmarish, but also a light in the dark for those who are helpless. That's why he is Grey, black and sometimes has a literal yellow signal in his chest. Iron Man is flashy (red is the most charming and attention-grabbing color in cars) and wealthy (well, gold). He personifies the capitalist's dream of becoming a self-made man through sheer work and prodigy of the mind. It's not genetics that define you, but your individual "will to power". You alone are relevant, you don't need to belong to any group to acquire social or professional relevance. And you can't be more sincere than Captain America. He's the living embodiment of the original, pure, idealistic notions of justice, freedom and equality. He's THE American Flag. People simply fall addicted to superheroes because they subconsciously get the chance to see the good guys win, and overcome all the nasty obstacles thrown against them. Which pretty much rarely occurs in real life. The genre speaks to their involuntary wishes and aspirations. That's how you know most people are good. An "evil superhero" ironically dressed in a colorful costume is a tempting lense to look at the genre, but it's a fundamentally wrong and uneven manner to criticize it. It's a neat concept, but it is wrong to look at it as if it was a deep critique on the superhero genre. These beings aren't meant to actually exist in real life. They are meant to keep you good and honest, and on your toes.

@learn2draw716

3 жыл бұрын

One of the reasons why I am starting to hate the genre.

@thestarkknightreturns

3 жыл бұрын

@@learn2draw716 I am sorry, I didn't understand. Do you like the original rationale behind superheroes or not? Are you in favor of The Boys? If yes, could you please tell me why? I'd like to know your thoughts on this.

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. "The Boys" doesn't even accurately portray white-collar crime! It's mostly insider trading, sexual harassment (they got that), stock fraud, manufacturing unsafe cars, cigarettes, and running unsafe overseas sweat shops with child labor. Talent agency for supervillains would be profitable due to memorabilia sales but way too dangerous, like bringing home Bug Eyed Monsters from alien planets or causing a zombie apocalypse! The Seven already are a publicity nightmare and have a potential for workplace violence and genocide, which would kill off stockholders, staff and customers. The other two ventures would eat all these people. Also, the most likely cause of corrupt superheroes would be police stress, a form of PTSD, which causes police brutality and corruption. So does bigotry. However, it's more likely to affect Batman-like characters such as Black Noir than Superman Analogues such as Homelander. The Seven would have to actually fight crime often to incur this condition. That is what corrupted "The Watchmen's" Ozymandias, Rorschach and the Comedian. The latter graphic novel and movie inspired later ones such as "The Boys." They would need police academy, firefighter and paramedic training to be competent. Even Homelander's narcissism and borderline personality, Maeve and A-Train's substance abuse and The Deep's sexism all stem from unethical Vought experiments. Child abuse and dysfunctional families cause these conditions in humans. Serial killers and sex offenders aren't made in labs! Besides, good people exist in real life, too, judging by many historical figures, first responders and activists. Even Real Life Superheroes have rescued people from street crime and helped the homeless. Cynicism against superheroes is based on cynicism against normal people, due to events such as Watergate and 9/11 and is found in all genres, from "24," "The Sopranos," "Game of Thrones," etc.

i wish you had touched on Victoria Neuman a bit, even though she didn’t have much screen time

The Magneto and Stormfront comparison was uncalled for. Magneto is a holocaust survivor and Stormfront a Nazi, plus the marvel mutants are in a way different position than the superpowered beings in this world. But other than that, it was a very informative vid.

@wrestlinganime4life288

Жыл бұрын

2 years late but they were spot on. Magneto is a supremacists and more than once tried to whipped out non mutants

Comparing Stormfront to Magneto is ... ouch.

@komal146

3 жыл бұрын

A victim can be a perpetrator. History has countless examples.

@jupiterisaak1004

3 жыл бұрын

Just terrible. What were they thinking? This episode was poor

@tamasrehany6532

3 жыл бұрын

@@jupiterisaak1004 Why?

A-Train: *murders his significant other by forcing her into overdosing* The Take: "A-Train is a scared little boy"

@arthurfortes8398

3 жыл бұрын

But A-Train is, inside his mind, a scared little boy who will do anything not to be poor or not famous. He is a desperate little boy in an grown-up body.

@Scarshadow666

3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense to be both scared, and still do really bad things while being scared. There are so many times throughout human history where one of the reasons people would commit horrible atrocities is due to fear...

@arthurfortes8398

3 жыл бұрын

@@Scarshadow666 Exactly, being scared does not mean you will be unable to do shit stuff.

Each season gets better and better. I really like how the latest season is more about the parallels of Butcher & Homelander.

Does The Take have any open positions for internships? I’d love to become a part of the team

@anabanana7254

3 жыл бұрын

Me freaking too!

@Vibrantly_Monochromatic

3 жыл бұрын

Not a bad idea, hiring anyone?

@chunkyrat7819

3 жыл бұрын

^^^^

"this is not on brand!" is one of my favorite lines.

I NEEDED THIS VIDEO WITH ALL OF MY HEART

12:14 - "We need more soup!" I know she's saying supes, but the s getting cut off is perfect.

@m_winewood

3 жыл бұрын

Read this as she said it lol

@yaboityler2617

3 жыл бұрын

We need more blood for the blood god!

Such a good show, I love the fact they updated the original comic source material for today.

What I love about The Boys is that it portrays the original definition of heroes, as they are portrayed in legends and mythology: humans who have incredible abilities and powers but still as flawed and troubled as any other human

They arent true superheroes tho They abused their power they are super villains not super heroes

@elplebeuchiha1996

3 жыл бұрын

I think they were implying that when they said that ppl focus too much on the super and not the hero [+]

@wrestlinganime4life288

3 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 Pretty much every Superman hater

@madnessarcade7447

3 жыл бұрын

@@elplebeuchiha1996 I didn’t watch the video just going based off the title Also I didn’t finish the boys I watched most of season one stopped at the final episode I stopped due to my own laziness I will go back and finish it eventually down the line

@madnessarcade7447

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure how people in that world still look up to them lol

@johans3164

3 жыл бұрын

@@madnessarcade7447 their crimes got covered up pretty well by Vought. and this stuff happens in real life too with celebrities. fans knew the actors or actresses did some horrible stuff and they just ignored it, movie studios did their best to cover it up and life goes on as if nothing happens. its more realistic than you realise which is just sad and haunting

I'd really like to have a take on Victorian Newman being revealed as a super, as someone who works for Vaught but publicly pretends to work against them to gain public support, but it's fucked up because the opposition as well as the supporters are controlled by Vaught. There's also some rumours that she was modelled off of AOC, so really would like to hear more about it, but probably we'll have to wait till after the third season hits the, well the streaming service. This was amazing, I love how consistent and insightful each video is, all the love.

@isabellasimonetti6126

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think we can say that she’s from vaught, since the man she killed if affiliate with vaught. I think she’s most likely a girl who was able to escape from them and resents them and yeah I feel like she’s based on AOC

@lakshmisuresh358

3 жыл бұрын

@@isabellasimonetti6126 I hope it's something like that

I kind of thought that homelander was more like the comedian with superpowers.

"valueing the super over the hero" really runs deep in American culture. I was asking people where they first "learned" or were told America was the best country in the world. Most said it came from their family or neighbors saying it and you were just expected to believe it and not question it. And they also said its because America has the most powerful military so they and others around them equate power with perfection. Also despite what some think, it doesn't come from school. have you ever picked up an american public school textbook? I assure you it probably doesn't say America is perfect.

I speed read the comic in 3 days after uni ended, and it’s actually stuck with me whenever I think about superheroes now.

I also find that the Supers in the show also represent the different reactions to people who gain political power. So there's this duality within the show as well.

I'm not a big superhero fan, but THIS, this show is what my dark, cynical mind has been waiting for

@wrestlinganime4life288

3 жыл бұрын

You're going to be tired of being cynical. Trust me I went through that

@Pinksparkles1511

3 жыл бұрын

@@wrestlinganime4life288 I can't help it it's just how I view the world and I've tried to see differently but alas i just can't. I do indeed have my guilty pleasures though.

@WickedKnightAlbel

3 жыл бұрын

Pft Punk-ass Edgelord

@badreedinedjellali1328

3 жыл бұрын

honestly may only favorite superheroes are batman and spiderman because the feel realistic

Love how the Deep got the "PARODY' description...absolute bants

I finished the first two seasons of the boys, one of the first things I did was go through the take's video history to see if something was done already. A few weeks later, this video got posted, and I am not disappointed! I love the insights on shows I like, especially views I have not considered

Billy Butcher is a tricky character to classify as a hero to me. He's proven to be very manipulative and selfish in his pursuit to take down the Seven and Vought. The fact that he isn't super is the main thing that keeps him from being compared to Homelander directly but he shares similar qualities with him. This becomes even more evident in season 2 after he finds his wife Becka, if he could he definitely would've gotten rid of her son Ryan, maybe even had him killed, just so he can have her back the way he wants. Maybe in the next season he'll start to veer back on the right path but the way he has been going is not very hero like compared to the rest of The Boys.

@egopathtime3273

3 жыл бұрын

There's literally no way Butcher is a hero, more like the anti-villain than even the anti-hero. Butcher basically wants to hurt homelander and hates all supes because homelander is a supe and all supes are inheritly evil in his eyes "because homelander is a supe".

_The Boys_ is doing a better job of creating an analog for current times that David Simon's _The Plot Against America_ did.

As always, phenomenal job, Susannah and Debra. The insight you give us is always acute. Keep up the good work. Stay blessed [+]

Intresting how undirectly the deep was the real hero, he found that recording used to blackmail homelander and kinda saved everyone Black noir is the brutal side of heroes, he usualy does the dirty buisness of disney, I mean vaught and maybe he is a clone of homelander or butcher, maybe butcher's little brother, or stan edgar's son

This is why spider man is still the greatest. He does everything anonymously, for the most part. Only other heroes know who is under his mask.

The point is they are super, not heros.

Y'all are officially one of my favourite channels ever for covering a video on The Boys! IT. DESERVES. ALL. THE. HYPE.

On regard to Harry Potter, I think he is a unique mix between the ordinary hero and the "super" hero. The fact that he has magic powers already makes him special enough to avoid living a miserable life with the Dursleys, and he possesses some of Voldemort's powers, as well as a unique connection to him, that makes him the one "destined" to defeat his arch nemesis. But although he is also a skilled duelist and great at flying, otherwise he comes across like a relatively average boy in the Wizarding world. He isn't particularly gifted in most of the school subjects, and most of the talents that make him extraordinaire and unique, such as his ability to speak Parseltongue, the wand-mind connection with Voldemort's, or the protective spell his mother gave him, were just "given" to him. It's the most basic yet crucial values that make him a hero, such as his ability to love and forgive, his bravery, his loyalty, a strong moral compass, and his wits. Also the fact that his genuine goodness inspires people more talented than him, such as Dumbledore, the Order or Hermione, to lend their skills for the sake of helping Harry.

always love The Take's videos!!! i feel like the comparison between Stormfront and Magneto loses a bit of the depth of Magneto's character, given that more and more he is depicted as fighting to protect mutant humans from discrimination and extermination, and his background as a survivor of the Holocaust, compared to the actual Nazi that is Stormfront

@commanderclown8620

2 жыл бұрын

He's still a violent supremacist who wants to wipe out or enslave all those he deems to be lesser. The nazi comparisons draw themselves.

“Listen, Anika. I’m the Homelander. And I can do whatever the fuck I want.”