Show is fine, ya’ll are going hardcore chronically online deep into this shit 💀 actual slop

@Riqo2Suave

4 күн бұрын

Chronically online or using critical thinking to dissect a story and find what values it holds? You should blame your teachers if you never learned that in school

@SantiagoLoza-ey8rm

4 күн бұрын

@@Riqo2Suave You should blame your parents for raising you to be ignorant

@seadee2834

4 күн бұрын

Wouldn't say it's fine. I'm not an Amerifat who's entire life revolves around which political side I am on, so viewing this story is getting pretty lame when they are clearly sidelining the actual story for political ha-ha's and excessive amounts of shock value scenes. It's always had these elements but they were like a side dish with the story being the main, but recently it feels like they have swapped positions. For example, literally everyone knew that Joe Kessler was imaginary like Becca but they still act like it was a massive surprise. We knew that shit from episode 2. Also, every character who dies was introduced on screen literally 2 seconds ago, just so they can die in a shocking way. The Neuman head explosion scene in the most recent episode is the perfect example of the show's current quality. The writers really went for the "It was just a (day)dream" angle, which is just lazy writing for the sake of getting more shock value scenes.

@SantiagoLoza-ey8rm

4 күн бұрын

@@seadee2834 America is better than whatever random country you live in

@willlee6234

3 күн бұрын

Cope much?

They confirmed homelander was trump in like season 1

@SantiagoLoza-ey8rm

4 күн бұрын

Fr conservatives are another level of stupid

@colindowden2182

4 күн бұрын

Which is a stupid comparison since they're nothing alike besides being blonde.

@c4risto

4 күн бұрын

@@colindowden2182 They're both narcists with the need for love, who lie to the public to get what they want, and suffer pretty much no consequences while doing so, and that's just the surface level stuff. There's also the fact that many trump quotes have been added to Homelander's character, in fact is has been done so much that Anthony Starr himself has asked the writers many times to stop including so many trump quotes because "not even Homelander is stupid enough to say this stuff".

@austincage581

4 күн бұрын

@@colindowden2182 I feel like the parts of them that are the most alike are their fan because they no matter what they do they follow trump or homelander

@colindowden2182

4 күн бұрын

@@austincage581 That could describe any celebrities not just trump, hell just look at jon jones and vince mcmahon who done some bad stuff, but still have fans, and that's because homelander and supes in general are allegories for celebrities.

I think the saddest part is how politicized our world has become that every topic can now be categorized as left or right leaning.

The big issue i have is that this show treats the right wing as if it was the establishment and the left wing as if it was rebellion In reality the right doesn't really have that much power

@lizanya6433

2 күн бұрын

“the right doesn’t have that much power” donald trump is a felon and the supreme court changed the law to make it so that the president can’t be prosecuted for their crime if it happened while they were in office. the right is so powerful they made a felon president and made him above the law. conservative values are the establishment. they rely on things like traditional gender norms, white supremacy, misogyny, etc., all of which are things that have been in place since the dawn of time. and these are also the systems that are still in place to enforce mass incarceration on black people, use prisoners as slaves, push forward anti-lgbtq legislation, take away women’s rights to abortion, etc. i don’t mean to argue that the left isn’t all pure and good either cause at the end of the day, a lot of democratic politicians are still capitalist but they change their pfp to a pride flag every june. saying the right’s values aren’t the status quo or that it has no power is extremely incorrect

@AlexandreHernandezvaldez

2 күн бұрын

Bruh literally it's stronger than the left

@GUNROCKS1990

2 күн бұрын

Sound about right answer.

@gristlelollygag

Күн бұрын

They always truly believe that's the case

@guillesuperior

Күн бұрын

They do, just not in the media

The show has always been shitting on both right-wingers and cringe liberals. There are no actual leftist in the show but there are plenty of people who cynically use left-wing talking points that they don't actually believe in to get people to follow them (Neuman) or sell people their shitty product (all of Vought marketing). The overall theme that your leaders/politicians, whether liberal or right-wing, don't believe in what they say to you and are just in it for them own personal gain can easily be applied to both sides. You just only notice it when they criticize the side you agree with.

@margaretwordnerd5210

4 күн бұрын

A lot of people see mocking everyone as persecution of their side. Also, many miss irony. I've encountered more than a few who think the cynical jabs at corporate wokeness was "trying to make woke seem cool and failing" but raging that any jokes on rightwing figures or topics are unjust and unfunny.

@EthanTheFool

4 күн бұрын

2:28 I mentioned that The Boys does criticize both sides when it comes to peddling politics for personal gain, but the attack on ideas is specifically targeted to the right wing. For example, the show portrays skeptics against cancel culture like Blue Hawk and Firecracker as ignorant and backwards without engaging with the actual Ill-effects of cancel culture such as false accusations (Johnny Depp) and PC art (Hannah Gadsby). It’s a bigger question than the show can possibly answer, but The Boys tries to answer it in a way that lacks understanding. For a show about politics, it only knows one side of the debate instead of all of them. It’s just bad art, man.

@colindowden2182

4 күн бұрын

The show never shits on cringe liberals they only shit on grifters and cooperation mainly Vought who pander to them. LBGT and BLM organization who have done some shady stuffs were never mock in the show which is something that shouldn't happened in a political satire show else it becomes plain propaganda.

@robertwang2788

4 күн бұрын

@@EthanTheFool that's a fair point. But I don't think the show actually tries to argue that cancel culture is good. People like Bluehawk are portrayed as monsters not because of their stance on cancel culture but because they are actually just racist psychopaths. And none of the many psychos in the show actually gets "cancelled" no matter how blatant their crimes are. So what does that say about cancel culture? Certainly not that it is actually an effective way of stopping hate. Moreover, the people who actually do the canceling and deplatforming real life like the media and entertainment industry are shown as utterly morally bankrupt in the show and do not care at all about the issues they are supposedly cancelling people over. Also, cancel culture is not a left wing idea. It's just a tool people use to silence or persecute people whose ideas they don't like or view as harmful. Believe me right wingers do this just as much as liberals.

@Riqo2Suave

4 күн бұрын

The show throws soft balls for the liberal side while trying to make conservatives look like the alt right and this is coming from someone left leaning, alienating half the country does no good for either side long tem

Can people further elaborate on the points he made instead of leaving an angry comment like why not try to have a discussion

@bloodonthecanvasofficial

3 күн бұрын

I just made mine. The show comes from a liberal view point easily. But the fact that Homelander doesn't care about anyone but himself, is the point. Only him and his seed. It's a literal metaphor for a narcissist populist.

@vkvCN

2 күн бұрын

Fr, it's important that people have a neutral standpoint watching videos like these

@Gorilla8762

2 сағат бұрын

@@vkvCN There is no neutral standpoint, you are always biased and that is not a bad thing. A neutral standpoint between being dead and alive is being half dead

What made the past three seasons so special (specially season 3) was the fact the political stuff was, by the end of the day, only a background to develop the characters

@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259

3 күн бұрын

@@Guilherme-qo9ye ok good you're not complaining about the quality of the show just the politics

@Guilherme-qo9ye

3 күн бұрын

@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 the politics in the show never were well written. Wanna see a leftist hero show with well written and compelling politics? Watchmen. The boys always felt more like a parody

@OGseoulite

3 күн бұрын

You forget that this series is based of a COMIC BOOM SERIES and that story’s entire arc literally goes as far as Homelander becoming President. The comics & eventually now tv series ALWAYS!!! ALLLLLWAAAAAAYYYSSS HAD COMMENTARY ON POLITICS!!! YOU HAVE TO BE DUMB NOT TO KNOW THIS FROM SEASON 1 EPISODE 1!

Doesnt help that outside of the political writing most of the characters feel melodramatic and are acting out of character constantly. Along with a lot of the current plot threads being faint echoes of past ones. Its a mess of a season. I dont really care what a bunch of hollywood people have to say on politics because like this show its all 5th grade level takes on it and a childish hatred almost for the side they dont like. Like fuck man it really feels like these writers dont live in the real world with how cartoonishly stupid they potray right wingers

I just enjoy the plot, idc about the politics

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

Fair nuff.

This show went from deconstruction of superhero tropes to political satire. The main story isn't getting anywhere and they just throw in scenes of shock value just for the sake of it. Homelander and Butcher's story has taken a back seat to the uninteresting characters' development despite them hyping it up at the end of last season. I'm not American so the politics doesn't connect to me. I'm here to see evil superheroes and there isn't much of that happening this season. It's just politics.

Before I start yapping, I just wanna say good job on the video, making and editing is a b*tch and I wanna give kudos to you for sharing your thoughts and opinions, however: I disagree with most of your talking points in this video, the only parts I actually agree on are that the new characters range from mediocre to bad and that the whole abortion subplot could've been handled much better. Otherwise, I'd say the boys is mainly a criticism of capitalism, which in essence is a system designed to suck the most value out of it's workers as it can, this is done through devious marketing, manipulation of the public. Both left and right political spectrums do these things, as they are under the influence of capitalism to gain as much power as they can. Thus, I would say, it is more so about a critique of those in power, the ones pushing the ideologies onto the common folk. Is that ironic because the show has openly leftist ideologies? Sure you could say so. Now let me ask you this, does the show have to show all the broad strokes of political nuance? I don't think it does, because then it loses it's focus. Good art always has a message behind it, if you paint it too broad, where is the point to be found? You could argue that you can derive your own meaning from a broad story, stories like that have and will continue to be made. But that's not what the boys is, the boys has always been a show about taking down an oppressive regime, starting a revolution, that's the case whether you view it from the supes point of view, or from the boys point of view. And yet, the heroes of this story are The Boys, because that is how it was always intended to be, we view the revolution as though they are the ones toppling the regime, and that comes with the consequence that anyone who supports the regime, aka the right wing, are viewed as antagonists. That gives a point to the story, a message that the show runners want to portray, it hasn't ever been about being nuanced and showing all sides equally, it's always been about taking down the bad guys, the capitalist, money hungry, power hungry douchebags that sit on top, the ones that oppress the common folk. The only difference in the show between left and right, is that in the show, the right supports those that hold the power: Homelander and his suck ups, which by association, makes them as bad as those in power, because they want to uphold an oppressive regime. My own view on it is that it satirizes the american right wing perfectly, all the issues that the show discusses, the arguments right wing commentators bring up, it's all a stupid show to gain control and power over people, meanwhile the left are trying to spread the power to the people, and that taking down those leaders and their supporters is the right thing to do.

@EthanTheFool

4 күн бұрын

Thanks for kudos! I agree with your point on how the story is by default heroizing the left and demonizing the right and that's fine. There's no doubt American politics has become over-radicalized since 2016. However, the show doesn't stop it's critiques just at the plot. This season especially has sprinkled cheap jabs at right wing ideas without any nuance. The show works best when the audience already agrees with the writers' own opinions. Otherwise, we are left with a bunch of political opinions told at us rather than experienced through the story. Season 1 didn't do this at all. We feel for Starlight as she makes her Religious epiphany during the Believe Expo and we get angry with A-train when he's racially profiled. The story worked harmoniously with the writers' political views. I feel nothing when the Abortion scene comes up suddenly or when Sage remarks condescendingly at perceived racial undertones. These plot elements could've been weaved better into the story, but since it wasn't, there is only the political bias left to see. On your question of artistic responsibility on politics, I also think good art tows a delicate line between being too broad and being too on-the-nose. Most shows really shouldn't even mention modern politics in it's messaging, but The Boys isn't most shows. As a show about capitalism, media manipulation, and Trumpism, it placed the task onto itself to say something about society, politics and the like. That's why I don't think we should downplay the irony of the writers' overt leftist bias. The message instantly loses credibility. The reason I mentioned the shows cheap jabs at different right-wing ideas of political topics is because there would be no difference in the story if the show didn't do that. As you said, the story itself already has a view and I believe it's enough to get the point across. It doesn't just hit the nail on the head, it hits the nail through the brain (call me sister sage).

Ive seen several videos like this and you are all wrong. "They started getting extra political throughout the seasons", yea, that might be because it went from killing supes to stopping the supes from doing a coup of the white house and taking over the government, the show's characters got into more political situations, and people are surprised when more political themes pop up. "Oh, but they only make fun of this group and not that", it's a work of fiction about evil superheroes, the writers have political biases that may show, but it seems like the perception of there being more politics is on you. Just try to enjoy the fiction, the entire thing is basically a parody, and caring at all about how obviously extreme and incorrect adaptations of people on you side of politics is not the writers fault, it's how YOU are watching it. I've seen people of the right watch the show make fun of them and laugh, because its edgy comedy wrapped in evil superhero shenanigans

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

Unlike other TV shows, The Boys isn't just entertainment, but political satire and it wants to say something about politics. I think it's fair to critique the show's political messaging and representation because the writers are satirizing just that. Yes they have been building up to this point that it will be more about politics than supe action, but I think the writers are doing it poorly. It participates in media manipulation by appropriating leftist political issues to cater to one side of the aisle, while simultaneously villainizing the other side with no nuance. The show is not critical of it's own politics before irresponsibly peddling it to their audience.

The answer is that the writers of Gen V were more involved with season 4. And it fucking shows. Shame. Hopefully they learn their lesson for season 5

@vibemasterkorosu2469

3 күн бұрын

Gen V kinda sucked ngl

@vkvCN

2 күн бұрын

​@@vibemasterkorosu2469💯

@MrRobot-jb5tl

Сағат бұрын

Gen V was way better than S3/4, characters wise and writing wise. Your ass must be jealous of the shit that comes out of your mouth

This season is fun just enjoy it i am really likeing it they were building a-train redemption for a couple of seasons and he has gone from someone who is arrogant non caring person who only looks out for himself to someone who cares and is trying to better with his family and make better on past mistakes

The interesting thing to me though is the fact that I walked away from the first two seasons thinking that the media manipulation of the series was a jab against the left, which simply shows that politics have become so polarizing that nobody ACTUALLY knows what the other side believes anymore.

@EthanTheFool

4 күн бұрын

@@dark_inks The show actually does criticize the left in a way. Leaders and corporations use leftist ideas like DEI (and right wing ideas) for their own gain. What the show doesn’t do is criticize the leftist ideas itself, only the people who use them. Whereas right wing ideas and values are fair game.

@austincage581

4 күн бұрын

​@@EthanTheFoolWhat ideas would they criticize tho because most of the time I see the left being criticized it's just being homophobic or racist

@nananou1687

3 күн бұрын

​@@EthanTheFoolleftist ideas are not the status quo in the world of the series. It's literally a late stage capital world. Idk how leftist ideas can be criticized if the settings would not be conducive for it, that in itself would be forced, and "bad art"

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

@@nananou1687 Even if the left is not the status quo, it doesn’t do the show any favors by ignoring a nuanced view of politics when the show itself is about politics. What I believe is that the show is in the real world which is 50-50 left-right. I believe it is perfectly conducive to both critique the world around us while being self-critical of inherent bias. If the show feels forced, it wouldn’t be because of the political status quo, but because of poor writing. The burden of creation is on the writer. And people like you and me are free to judge whether it is bad art or good art.

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

@@austincage581 ​​⁠​⁠the best idea I could think of was to have Starlight struggle with the radicalization of her own Starlighter movement as a foil to Homelander’s abuse of power with his MAGA-like movement. Other than that, they could dip into the stuff I talk about in the video at 12:33

right? left? conservative? im not speaking your language.

Great analysis. I too, went and rewatched the previous seasons, as I had seen this backlash on the show this season. This season has been very direct in its political message and the story narrative has been moved to the back of the bus. It is now propaganda driven. Characters are out of character. Doctor Who did the same and it showing in fans ratings.

They poke fun at the pizzagate thing but at the same time tek knight has 120 days of Sodom in his bookshelf, which is.. a book about the murder and abuse of minors. Homelander was literally MK ULTRA'd as a child. There is something seriously wrong there.. By having De Sade's sick book 120 days of Sodom as secret lever to his dungeon the showrunners hint that they ARE aware stuff like this actually exists. Kimiko's past, and Homelanders literal MK ULTRA childhood are further proof that they are aware the issue exists. Hyporisy or coming plot twist?

the fucking amount of times i went "dear god what year is this show set in?" or groaned in pain or wheezed bro oof lel

bro did you completely forget about maeve's sexuality used for marketing in s2 and s3

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

I didn’t mention it because it’s not relevant to my argument. My video is about the mistreatment of politics in the show due to poor writing and creative decisions, which ultimately dilutes the impact of the shows message. I said near the beginning that the show has always attacked corporations and celebrities peddling both left and right politics.

You seem to miss the point that the whole season is about confronting your past. Which is why frenchie has a lover of which parents he killed, the lover is just a plot object basically so frenchie can confront his past. Kimiko and her clan Starlight has firecracker and her abortion Huei has A-Train and his mother Butcher his mentor and wife. Homelander and his upbringing MM is the only outlier (unless its butcher), which is why he feels a bit odd, like nothing goes on with the character himself, though the season isnt over yet. Firecracker is more like an alex jones type person, just spewing theories and spreading fear. They make fun of the left, they like parodied the pepsi AD, making fun of the fake "wokeness", like starlight only became a part of the team cause she was a woman and was basically the disney princess of the 7. The BLM people taking a cut for themselves isnt exclusive to the left, neither is being outraged when being told otherwise. The false accusation stuff wouldnt work cause the team starlight are more of the underdogs in this case, its not like they hold absoulte power over social media like it does in our world. Like imagine starlight doing a false accusation on someone from the 7, or any one that has to do with vaught, nothing would happen. The abortion stuff was a bit random since it was never mentioned before, but existed there for the tension so starlight can fuck up, (though I feel like firecracker should have mentioned and spinned the SA with starlight and deep, saying she slept her way up instead), the convo after was there to not make it feel completely weird and random. Huwei position is pro life, but starlight is clearly troubled by it and doesnt have a clear positon and feels awful over her decision. You are saying that you find it good that they humanise the homelander forllowers and such and showing that how radicalised they can become, but then you are saying that its too bad that it doesnt show both sides? Sure it would be good, but makes 0 sense for it to happen, unless starlight is truly brought into a deep corner I dont see that ever happening, so there is no opportunity for that to happen. I dont like trump. Any other right winger would have been better than trump, but somehow got a crowd that follow him loyaly while having their ears plugged and eyes closed, so for me its no issue. But even for me it just sometimes feels like "orange man bad" which is a bit tiring, though it still feels natural for the setting, which is why as a whole I dont mind the direction. Unless you a cult following trumpler the season doesnt deserve THAT low of a rating. Its still more of the boys and a good watch even with its missteps. Politics plays a big role, but not the whole role. You cant tell me that this season so far is as bad as madam web. Though if they fuck up the ending as much as they did in season 3, then it might deserve the rating lol. My main issues so far is kimiko and frenchies arc (though for frenchie I hope for a big payout and he seems to turn towards religion to find forgiveness which is a cool detail), The whole barn shit felt like filler and I am still not a fan of the gross sexual humour, like who finds that funny?

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

I don't believe confronting the past is a season-specific theme, but a necessary part of character development for any TV show. Butcher's arc has always been about confronting his past, with Becca, with Lenny and with his father. Starlight confronting her past with her Mom and Dad, Deep with his body image issues, A-Train with his many regrets, etc. These have been important parts to every character since S1. Still, I just straight up think the new arcs are not very entertaining, apart from how it all fits thematically. I think it's possible to include radicalism on the Left and have it make sense. Starlight could be a leader to an increasingly radical starlighter movement. It would be a perfect foil to Homelander who abuses his power, while Starlight struggles with her political power. It's on the writers to weave a beautiful story together, and they are short of the mark this season. Still decent, but the their flawed politics is holding it back. Sure Trump was the main factor in political radicalization in 2016, but the show is doing too much. Using political jabs instead of letting the story progress naturally.

@williamsweeney5249

3 күн бұрын

After watching Episode 6 I think MM's way of confronting his past is confronting his OCD and his fear of soldier boy. He clearly hasn't gotten over it and he litteraly had a panic attack because he was scared that he was becoming soldier boy by "killing" Sage

Respectfully you are wrong Edit: damn crybabys in the comments 💀

@zapmenhightide9233

4 күн бұрын

If you think about it the dude is right. The show makes a mockery of conservative ideas while just poking fun at leftist. the show is clearly biased but back then it was fine with the storytelling but now the politics run the show. As someone who isn't a conservative or leftist it's very obvious to see politics are running the show

@Johnmarston1.

4 күн бұрын

​@@zapmenhightide9233it's not obvious it is pretty good at poking fun at both sides not just one side. Maybe it's because you can't take a joke.

@lilericinnacut

4 күн бұрын

@@Johnmarston1.yeah lmao these people the real snowflakes

@kurijuu

4 күн бұрын

As a libertarian who aligns with neither the right nor the left, let me tell you that while the show has always mocked both sides of the political spectrum, only someone completely biased would not realize that the show clearly sympathizes with progressive left.

@Riqo2Suave

4 күн бұрын

@@Johnmarston1.you can’t tell me you watched the last 6 episodes of season 4 and genuinely believe theirs no bias

why are we under the impression that they have to be equally fair and balanced? the show has never claimed that they are a commentary on politics, they have claimed, the way you mentioned in the video, that they are a commentary on the people that have created a cult like following for the right. Even so, they have critiqued the left being gullible for the corporate pride stuff (voughtland/any of maeves products you see in the show), the left being more comfortable with a masculine and a feminine woman in a lesbian relationship (Maeve and Elena), and with A-Train not really caring about his heritage and just using it to get back into the spotlight. But these seem a lot smaller to people who are hating on the show because the thing that drives the story forward is the cult of personality that Homelander is, and the inspirations they draw from Donald Trump and his followers himself. So while they could make more parody of the left, but not only would that not drive the story forward, it would distract from what the show truly is.

@EthanTheFool

4 күн бұрын

No show is expected to be fair on politics, but The Boys put themselves in the task of satirizing American politics. Yes they have critiqued media manipulation on both left and right, such as A-train using his blackness for brownie points, etc. But LGBTQ pride and blackness are not portrayed as flawed issues in the same way that their right wing counterparts are. The show takes cheap jabs at conventional right wing ideas themselves without going into the nuance of it. The show doesn’t even have the runtime to go into the nuance of it, so why would they try to say something about it? They should have stuck to what they know, or at least be self-aware of the limits of their own medium. I think The Boys could’ve parodied the Left while still having the Trump Analogy because the shows ultimate message against media manipulation is a Universal one that is not special to the right. But the writers wasted an opportunity, and the show is a worse piece of art because of it.

Plus Sister Slang character look like a Colonial Marine for new Alien Film based on comic book.

The interesting thing to me is that both sides suck. The boys picked a side from the jump but it’s become blatant now so everyone cries. The same exact thing would happen if it was reversed. The left would be butthurt and the right would hail the show as amazing. But sitting here crying that they don’t present fair takes for both sides lmaooo like why would they when that’s never been what it was from the jump. Even if they did there’d still be people crying that it criticizes one side more than the other.

@willlee6234

3 күн бұрын

All people want is just a show that doesn't tell them what to think.

@vibemasterkorosu2469

3 күн бұрын

@@willlee6234 This.

@lizanya6433

2 күн бұрын

@@willlee6234all shows tell you what to think. it’s how stories work. for example, writing a character as a protagonist = telling you to think about the character as a protagonist. go watch cocomelon or something.

I’m glad someone finally is talking about how terrible this shows politics have become this season and it’s not just saying it’s always been like this like an idiot

If I had to sum up the Boys political problem in one sentence. It would be this: Homelander… is not Trump. You may fucking hate Trump. Or love him. Either way. Doesn’t matter. Homelander is really nothing like him. His beliefs are different, goals different, upbringing different, rise to power different, strengths different. At the end of the day. Somewhere in the creation of this show. Homelander became this unique character that was far divorced from the simple “haha Trump” analogy they wanted. And honestly it seemed like they were fine with it until Trump started becoming politically relevant again. Honestly most of the real people they try to parody are so very different from their show counterparts that they come off like straw men. And that will just never be clever or engaging writing.

Good video, you also left out the time the deep said his ex wife pooped in his bed, which is a nod to amber heard and Jonny Depp, (names lol) but it seems that by portraying the deep as Jonny they are supporting amber, which is odd

The show literally makes fun of both sides always. Don’t look at the show as if the boy are the left and vought is the right. Just look at how Vought does the “Woke” movies, commercials, and product placement. The show mainly focuses on the story, none of the political jokes take anything away from it.

I don’t agree with the politics of the show, but still watch it. There are many things I wouldn't agree with politically, but outright boycotting the show would be much more in line with cancel culture. Something the right has attributed to the Left. Funny enough, the right is now engaging in it. It's sad to see that "hearing the other side" is not something we consider. Covering our eyes and ears will only keep up from finding common ground.

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

@@johnrivera3365 I actually still love the show. I’m not trying to boycott it, but shed light on the shows political ironies. I definitely agree that there has been an overreaction from the right due to the modern audiences hyperawareness of politics, and it’s not totally justified in its backlash. But the show definitely engages in bad faith politics, and it’s simply more apparent from the lack of quality writing this season.

Cool vid, I just want to say how I think this show does its way into talking about the politics. While I agree the right gets a bit too much focus and it’s a little unbalanced on who gets made fun of, I still think the left has fs gotten made fun of a lot throughout the show. The left in the show less uses what they say and more rather what they do to be more equal. The A-Train Commerical being one of them. I do agree though that the show really should’ve a commentary on both sides when comes to the very far left or far right. I think the writing style had to change this season due to the fact far right content has been very popular everywhere you go. So it was inevitable the show would lean into that direction. Season 4 focuses more on the legality of how supes should operate outside their original purpose. Homelander is trying to get his fans to disagree with bills with his immense power, so it would be pretty hard not to do it on the nose with the writing when it came to the right. Overall though, I think EPS 4-6 have been some of the best in the whole show, just out there and fun the episodes can get. For the character arcs I really have no idea they would’ve toke with Frenchie or Kimiko’s arcs. I think they should’ve been regulated to be an assist so the Boys could further destroy Vought and the Seven. Sorry if I had bad grammar I just wanted to say that, good vid 👍

Honestly I got into the boys since my friend recommended me to watch 4 or 3 years ago, great show and I agree with you. I’m looking at people videos reviews having mixed opinions. That’s all I gotten say.

Ethan doesn't know anything. U are dead wrong maam

No, it doesn't; it's a TV show. The objective is to entertain by making fun of the extreme sides of society, not to teach you politics

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

But isn't the show about Politics and trying to say something about radicalization through media manipulation? I think the writers' of The Boys wants people to discuss it and we're doing just that by analyzing it.

@Samurreye

2 күн бұрын

“Addicted to chocolate” get your gooner ass out of here 😂😂

12:20 Hm I really like those ideas and would be interesting to see the boys explore. But do you think the show *actually* representing both sides of the political fanaticism would reduce their audience? They clearly want a certain group to be pointed at and laughed at, if their core audience were to be criticized in a meaningful way wouldn't that put them off to the show? Ironic for kripke though, bro worked on supernatural, originally catered to the all-american schitck type audience

@jjones9822

4 күн бұрын

Yeah but the bulk of Supernatural came before Trump. Politics has changed culture drastically since then. Trump has literally broken these people’s brains to the point they need to remind us about him and the right wing constantly.

@EthanTheFool

4 күн бұрын

@@cynical_chai8922 If the show were to actually represent fanaticism on both sides as fairly as it can, it would definitely turn off the more radical types, but not most people. I believe it would be refreshing to see a show make fun of everyone as brazenly as adult animated shows like South Park or Family Guy have done. And those shows have fans across the political spectrum.

I can already tell any leftists who watch this video are going to be triggered and will try to dunk on you for being the triggered one but this really was a well thought out and fair video. To me The Boys has always been woke leftist propaganda but at least so far it has managed to stay entertaining enough to keep going with it as much as I may roll my eyes when Stan Edgar makes a random as hell comment that he doesn’t have the same privileges as a white guy. Most people aren’t just realizing how that the show has been overtly leftist. We have always known that. It’s just the show has been undeniably getting progressively dumber and dumber as it goes on and it becomes more difficult to overlook the one sided political slop. For fucks sake in the last episode Homelander sees a bullet hole in Sages head and does literally nothing. The guy can see through walls and could have discovered the boys in 2 seconds buts they really gotta drive the point home that Homelander is just so dumb now. I do wonder if they realize they are completely and totally killing any tension that previously existed in the show by jumping the shark like that.

Who would've thought that the political season is more political than the other seasons. Season 1: Expose vought while figuring out a way to kill homelander. Season 2: Stop stormfront with her radicalization and get ryan away from homelander. Season 3: Get soldier boy to kill homelander and get ryan away (I think going off of memory) Season 4: Stop homelander and neuman from making a coup with the support of other supes and get ryan away finally from homelander. I will say the more political that season 4 is bad writing in my opinon due to how its just boring so far imo but the political hints in the show is pointing fun at how no matter what side you are blindly following people who show that they have the same opinions as you and view them as gods (maga meatriding) is dumb af and is bad. The whole message of the show with vought and supes are basically corporations are gay and they'll shill out to you for a buck and the supes are people who dont gaf who you are and just want attention from you, and will even use you for their amusement

i'm non american so i dont understand the politicals i feel pretty fun to watch. only amercan feel that the politicals in the boys a criter site. also i feel bad about this ss is that i can predict thing nôrmally the boy would have suprise me

It's not that The Boys doesn't understand what messages it wants to send, they're very clear, the show is LITERALLY about a BAND OF REBELS fighting a CORPORATION, its just that the audience (well, at least one half of it) who historically is ignorant and not educated just now realized what the shows talking about. The list of super obvious comparisons to real life with this show is so long that it genuinely confuses me how this many people didn't get it, like, they LITERALLY HAVE A CHARACTER, NAMED STORM. FRONT. The show is satirizing US Politics, and because this country is so right wing to the point where basic ideas such as "people shouldn't pay for something that falls out the sky" or "people deserve health care" is considered "radical", so OF COURSE the show is MOSTLY about one side of the spectrum. Like, the current plot is literally the gang fighting basically Donald Trump (Homelander) Alex Jones (firecracker), and Fox News/CNN (Vought Media) 😭😭😭 The pure ignorance from recent haters of the show is so illegitimate to the point where i dont even wish to start a conversation with yall, it's like yall live on another planet or something, what show were yall watching this whole time???

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

I didn't say that The Boys doesn't understand the message they want to send. I stated that it's pretty clear from my rewatch that it has a leftist viewpoint. The show is a political satire about Trumpism and American politics and so it's main message is political. I'm saying that in previous seasons, the writers focused more on the main message against radicalization from celebrities/politicians appropriating politics. They have done much to show how this is done. However this season, there is a lot of conservative-bashing on political topics without weaving it into the story so everyone can experience their perspective rather than have it told. It's like a thesis with no proof. And since The Boys is about politics, the writers should know how confused and disillusioned people are about politics and enlighten their audience rather than drill in leftist ideas without nuance.

@ujan-pd6tz

2 күн бұрын

Nigga it's on Amazon TF u mean by 'fighting a greedy corporation'

@Gorilla8762

2 сағат бұрын

​@@EthanTheFool Part of the problem is that they are financed by the very big corporation they vow to criticize, so while they can take jabs at common sense conservative talking points, they can't weave it into a cohesive criticism of the very system that created the ever deepening crisis america is suffering. They critize trump, the innefectiveness of the justice system at punishing him, the joke that is american electoralism, the rising reactionary movement and corporations financing them. All of these are valid criticisms that the show throws in jabs but fail unify them, and with that I agree with you. The unifying problem is late stage capitalism: the ever increasing wealth concentration in america, the dissolution of public services and worsening job prospects to sow ever increasing profits, while infrastructure rots, people get sick and overworked just to keep a roof over their heads with no chance of upward mobility. Industry has gone all to china, innovation is thrown to the way side for short term gain and scammers pop up in silicon valley trying to win money from dumb venture capitalists in their new fad. The media is owned by the ever fewer monopolies that hold all the power in this country, and blast their neoliberal propaganda 24/7. Politicians are bribed by said monopolies, and we pretend we have an election that matters when in reality they all have the same donnors. All of this is a cohesive narrative that has inherent biases, incompatible with the views of any right winger, and is okay, but makes for a stale story if they don't show any sort of solutions, of which there are the revolutionary kind which would make their producer angry.

Love this review. Very easy to digest and made many great points

I agree with you about everything 100%

"Eric Kripgay"

I feel like everyone claiming this guys wrong in the comments is most likely young as they cannot properly articulate why the points brought up are flawed, nobody has a problem w political bias inherently, what people have issues w is the lack of subtly and nuance in the writing, instead of having the audience see the issues, corruption and hypocrisy on both sides and allowing them to come to their own conclusions, the show chooses instead to force feed it’s narrative using characters as props to send a message that’ll be dated within the decade, what media like this does is just ends up further dividing the population by relentlessly mocking one side while vindicating the other

Basically the writers got scared about how right wingers seemed to like to show and decided to dial ip to eleven the scenes that reaffirm their point of view I don’t think S4 is atrocious, just pretty mid compared to the previous seasons

U realize the boys has to be political for the whole main plot is literally homelander becoming the president it only makes sense that they’d go deeper in politics u guys are acting like the shit has no political ties

Homelander is racist he said no to a brown supe because "captain al qaeda"

This is it. This is precisely what Ive felt is off about The Boys. Thank you so much for this review

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

@@zemaddonzo3504 🫡 no problem!

"the far left" what lol

2:14 For the writers to also criticize the far left, first there would have to exist a far left in the US. There doesn’t. You have right, and extreme right.

14:00 the writers don't care plain and simple. homelander is literally in call of duty or mortal combat (i dont remember), it's easy to forget they are those people who virtue signal & using politics for their own gain lol. I lowkey feel like a little bit of the show is rage bait to get those views from both those who are rage watching and laughing at the right

@bloodonthecanvasofficial

3 күн бұрын

It's Fortnite and Mortal Kombat.

This is actually a fair and factual analysis

Buddy go back to watching sponge bob. Leave the grow up show and go watch ur cartoons.

the show has always been like this, and it doesnt have to satirize the left because it is leftist. i agree that there are leftist ideas and people that are dishonest and just as manipulative as the right, but this show is almost exclusively touching on basic ideas such as racism, mysoginy, homophobia, masculinity, and radicalization, most of which are very straightforward issues that dont need two sides because theyre very basic issues with straightforward answers. bigotry is bad, masculinity is more nuanced than physical strength, and radicalization is the only one with any nuance from both sides. they dont touch on both sides of radicalization and i agree they should, but most other issues dont need to have both sides because there should be a clear side to pick. putting political views in media is normal, and the boys does it very well for the most part.

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

It's fine for The Boys to satirize specifically Trump and the right wing, but without proper criticism on the left, the ultimate message against media manipulation loses credibility because the show is perpetuating leftist values without a critical analysis of those ideas. Ironically, it's manipulating us instead of enlightening us. Yes bigotry is bad, but many of those hot topic issues aren't just about bigotry. Much of the conversation with racism is about hypocritically racist DEI practices or defunding the police which is a vital institution for the safety of everyone. Misogyny and masculinity go hand in hand with who a man is supposed to be nowadays and the cultures of redpill, MGTOWs (stoicism), trad-cons each pulling them into different ways of life. Men are confused. Homophobia is with Transphobia and the prevailing postmodern view of Gender Theory where sexual reproduction has been divorced from Gender leading to infinite pronouns and the DEI practices that threaten careers if you don't adhere to them. Gender Theory has implications that people don't understand. I don't think these issues are simple. Half of America disagrees with Half of America and I don't think it can all be due to bigotry.

@lucassmith15

3 күн бұрын

@@EthanTheFool they never bring up transphobia for more than like one or two lines so that doesn’t factor in, they are only really covering bi erasure and performative activism. and a series criticizing the right doesnt HAVE to criticize the left, since they aren’t sending any radical leftist messages other than “police brutality is bad” and “the system we live under leads to more homelanders”, not anything crazy. your argument about defunding the police is just… wrong?? i dont think they ever say to have that happen, they just say that many times police target minority communities (which is true) and that they need to be called out and held actually accountable, which is a pretty straightforward GOOD message that if you oppose raises some very interesting questions about your opinions about racism. and finally, the masculinity argument is barely political and more of a moral message, with political aspects. breaking bad has more messages about masculinity, walter white is a whole commentary on our culture’s view of masculinity and a man’s role in society and his family. is that show “an echo chamber”? shows can give their message without having to conform to the middle point of the issue. it’s not an echo chamber just because it takes a stance.

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

​@@lucassmith15 I'm not necessarily saying that The Boys is wrong on the aforementioned political topics. I merely brought them up because you previously called them "straightforward issues" which they are far from. And sure the Boys doesn't have to criticize the left, but it doesn't actually have to criticize the right either. The main message of the show is a critique against celebrity worship and media manipulation across the political spectrum. The writers want to say something about politics, they want their viewers to discuss it. Whereas Breaking Bad is not a political show, and Vince Gilligan has been vocal about not including politics into his work. So yes we can discuss Breaking Bad's critique on masculinity, but this analysis is divorced from the show's main goal, which is to entertain. With confidence, we can say that the perspective of the show is the perspective of the characters. On the other hand, The Boys main goal is mainly political and was always political, so it's fair to critique the writers' treatment of politics. The Boys appropriates political topics to cater to a left-leaning audience, which is counter to their critique of media manipulation. The show takes cheap jabs at right wing ideas without proper analysis. I think that's the wrong way to treat politics, so the Boys shouldn't have done it at all.

@lucassmith15

3 күн бұрын

@@EthanTheFool i think ur missing my point. the boys deals with topics that yes can be deeper, but mostly talks about them in a surface level satirical way, so for the show they are straightforward. and with the vince gilligan thing, the masculinity commentary is still there and is still in the show, so i dont really get ur point? the boys and breaking bad are both made to entertain, but both also have the side purpose of sending a message to their audience, like all stories. the boys caters to a left leaning audience because the writers are left leaning, just like how the original star wars had leftist views about america during vietnam and nixon. a show can take a side and still be good. the boys isnt creating echo chambers or manipulating anyone, they are putting out a message that they believe in through their tv show just like everyone else.

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

@@lucassmith15 what I meant with the comparison between Breaking Bad and The Boys is that the masculinity critique in Breaking Bad is an additional message one can infer, whereas the political critiques in the Boys is it’s main message. The Boys is unique to other shows in that political messaging is the main point of the show instead of just a side thing. The writers dilute their own message against media manipulation and bad faith politics because the writers themselves treat politics in the same surface-level way as the manipulated populace they criticize. I see no difference between Homelander pushing beliefs onto his base and the show pushing beliefs onto the audience. They participate in the creation of echo chambers rather than rising above it. Pointing out this irony was my original thesis. The Boys is not just any show. It gave itself the responsibility of portraying politics. I’m here to say that it’s not doing a good job at it. The entertainment value of this season is fine. I mean it’s the weakest season of the show so far, but then again it’s trying to top those epic fights from last season.

We get it, you're a conservative. Just stop watching the show and quit whining.

@Jay-wz7pi

Күн бұрын

Ong

the boys writers makes fun of people like you and thats why your mad

@mufoitzzz8798

3 күн бұрын

Every boys fanboy argument lmao

@nachogh0st

2 күн бұрын

@@mufoitzzz8798 cope

I still don't get the hate for season 4 and I HATE liberal soy boy anything but this season is still awesome and edgy

I was here before the woke zombies flooding comments with "the show always was making fun of you righties" mantra. Follow Kripke's advice and go watch something else, like, "Better Call Saul" or "Mr. Robot", for example.

Firecracker doesn't represent any real life conservative or right wing ideas. shes a badly written generalization and stereotype conceived from the writers own ignorance.

@Draconicdeer

3 күн бұрын

Idk about that, have seen Lauren Boebert and her speeches? Or even Marjorie Taylor Greene who genuinely believes in Jewish space lasers as mentioned in the show.

@brocKain

3 күн бұрын

​@@Draconicdeerok, so one nut in politics. What about Hasan Piker or Elizabeth Warren or Nancy Pelosi, they're all absurd material to use to clown on both sides. That's all I'm saying.

Ok but whats wrong with a show having political bias? Lots of shows do. The show consistently mocks the way people support the feminist, blm and lgbt communities. It aint political bias to display racists as the bad guys.but yes, this show is left leaning and always has been. Nothing wrong with that

@Riqo2Suave

4 күн бұрын

But why make anyone slightly conservative look like a racist, deeply homophobic yet closeted idiot ?

@EthanTheFool

3 күн бұрын

@@ewanmcconville4636 Unlike other shows, The Boys is a political satire, and their main message critiques media manipulation. I believe it is fair to criticize the writers political bias because it goes directly against that message. Also, i don’t think the show mocks feminists, blm, or lgbt at all. It only satirizes the corporations and celebrities who use them for their own gain. The ideas themselves remain untouched.

Great video showing the gradual politics in the first season that enhances the story to the overbearing politics of season 4. First video on your channel will watch more.

Nuh uh I think your wrong

Great season & love it so far! Sorry all you Homelanders/Republicans are getting butthurt for your bigoted beliefs😅

Still a good show and conservatives just ultimately provide more material to make fun of all you can really criticize the left on is the gender bender nonsense and virtue signaling

Bro, you people are the reason that "subtlety is for cowards" is a motto for writers. This show is political from day one season one. The only way this would be more obvious is if homelander's name was donald. For the ones that complain about whiny leftists, you sure are triggered when a show doesn't support your views

I think they know politics just fine and that the right audience doesn't 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Great balanced review! Sounds like just another TV series rotting with cheap politics and prioritizing ideology over storytelling as the season goes on.

@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259

4 күн бұрын

Still pretty much the same show. Still very good. If you are so easily offended then that's on you.

@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259

4 күн бұрын

I understand the frustration but just ignore the politics. It's a good show and don't lose interest simply because of politics.

@Greedo.

4 күн бұрын

Its literally the same show, and they literally have been doing this since season 1

@Quartermp4

4 күн бұрын

@@Greedo.just a blatant lie. There has been a shift in writing staff and it’s obvious. This is beyond politics, even down to the dialogue and the progression of the main story. Progression of which is actually absent from season 4. 6episodes in and we are in the EXACT same position in terms of the main story as we were in episode 1.

@Greedo.

4 күн бұрын

@@Quartermp4 but they have been promoting that the political side of the show would be the main focus this season all the way since season 3, even in gen v.. idk why you and alot of other people are upset when this has been set up

Yes it does. It's just that you don't like it. Imo, it's pretty great

@vibemasterkorosu2469

3 күн бұрын

And this kids, is an example of how you DON'T make a comment

Garbage take. I won't elaborate further.

The show is making fun of nationalism. Homelander? The far left doesn’t take away peoples rights. The far right take untill nothing is left.

Holy crap you are soooooo wrong. Never cook again.

@Riqo2Suave

4 күн бұрын

How old are you?

@McNoob5477

4 күн бұрын

@@Riqo2Suave why?

@mufoitzzz8798

3 күн бұрын

@@McNoob5477cause you sound young they way you can’t make an argument

@McNoob5477

3 күн бұрын

@@mufoitzzz8798 first of all just because I didn’t make an essay about how he was wrong doesn’t mean I can’t make an argument. Secondly if I did KZread would likely delete it. Thirdly there are loads of videos that prove that this man is wrong.

@McNoob5477

2 күн бұрын

@@mufoitzzz8798 what’s wrong big boy was wrong?

your not special

@no-jo9on

4 күн бұрын

Ong

@ellementisinyourwalls

4 күн бұрын

@@no-jo9on Cant believe people have to fight this hard to seem special like nobodies even talking about whats actually happening they just complain that they depict rich elite people as monsters when they literally are irl too idk what the problem is

@willlee6234

3 күн бұрын

​@@ellementisinyourwalls because you're so special that people can only care about things that you do, pure narcissism.🤦🏻‍♂

outside of american politics, the right side of the political spectrum is fundamentally about taking away rights. the fact that you're sitting here and complaining that the boys writers doesnt support the right wing is genuinely insane, everything wrong with todays society/world has always stemmed from capitalism, imperialism, and right wing ideaolgies. maybe critically think for once in your life and you would see that the left just wants people to live in happiness and in a healthy manner. every view you have in the video (besides the boring characters in s4) is complete bs and its such an embarrassment that i share the same air with you, genuinely you're just upset that show is calling you out.

@BasedPeterP

4 күн бұрын

You say that the left wants people to leave in hapiness but left wing movements like the USSR and Socialist countries on South America killed millions of people, left wing is the same shit as the right wing, and thinking that one side is bad and one side is good is a very innocent thought, also the dude of the video didn't put himself on a right wing position on the complete video but you seethe so much to say "it annoys me to share air with you"

@terrybarnhill9037

4 күн бұрын

Feel better now? When you do, ask yourself if he is wrong, then why is the ratings tanking? I am not sure the takeaway is that he agrees with far right views, but that if you produce a show, you don't put politics above story crafting. This has been the case this season. People, on the right, always deal with leftist ideas in shows, but when playing pin the tail on the donkey w the blind fold off, you are going to get called out.

@briluvztoast

4 күн бұрын

@@terrybarnhill9037 "feel better now?" you're so corny, they never did put politics above story making. the boys have always been about politics and has always given a realistic view on how superheros would work in our society, the story has always been leading up to a more political arc, genuinely the ratings are tanking because of people not being able to handle getting called out to such a high degree while every other show or media has been so much more subtle in terms of their politics, people on the right do not have any media literacy nor can they handle valid critism.

@clauzelmoutima6490

4 күн бұрын

@@briluvztoastyou’re a fanatic

@willlee6234

3 күн бұрын

Did your gender studies professor teach you to regurgitate this crap?😂