"Destroying fossils" broke my heart.

If it doesn't say "rest in peace" on your grave you will automatically be drafted into the ＢＯＮＥ ＷＡＲＳ

@jaschabull2365

6 жыл бұрын

Not if you're cremated, and have no bones to fight. >:D

@comicbookfan124

6 жыл бұрын

Jascha Bull then that would be ash wars.

@janedoe4929

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaschabull2365 Arise, ashen one.

Love how adults are basically kids

Well you touched on some of the funny bits. My favorite part is when they started bribing the train conductors to take the rival dig team the wrong way.

"The Bone Wars" is a great name for a movie.

Brontosaurus is (probably) back to being a valid genus again. The two species originally named (Apatosaurus ajax and Brontosaurus excelsus) are likely different enough to warrant separation, but as genera are arbitrary its perfectly ok to lump them together (at least until someone shows they're not each other's closest relative).More importantly neither Marsh nor Cope ever had a skull. It wasn't found until 1903 after both of them were dead, and it wasn't confirmed to be from an Apatosaur until the 1970s. There's a reason the AMNH used Camarasaurus as the model for its Brontosaurus mount (and the fact that it used the name likely had a lot to do with why "Brontosaurus" made it into the popular culture and stuck.)

@BirdFungus

5 жыл бұрын

dgodfrey9189, you have one thing wrong with that, you said that it is probably valid, but is actually valid with very, very little scrutiny

@brosef4154

Жыл бұрын

Bronto-burgers made Brontosaurus popular

So these two people destroyed countless fossils to keep them away from each other? Imagine all the animals we could have discovered, or at least know about sooner.

@AuguryD

3 ай бұрын

I know riiighttt??!

You could say that Marsh and Cope had a "bone to pick" with each other.

@juliusxeno6537

6 жыл бұрын

It’s time to stop...

@rebelguy9487

6 жыл бұрын

GROOOAAAN.....LOL

@rebelguy9487

6 жыл бұрын

oh, wait.....that was so 'punny'....haha

@NoJusticeNoPeace

6 жыл бұрын

You are such a moron. And those of you giving him thumbs and replying to his stupidity should be beaten with sticks. You imbeciles pollute the comments so that actual discussion of the subject matter becomes impossible. And you encourage this narcissistic douchenozzle to keep obsessively crapping all over every science channel on KZread.

@villaholland

6 жыл бұрын

Master Therion Sans

The cooperation and collaboration among scientists today is inspiring to me. The more information gets passed between bright minds, the better our understanding of the world around us will increase. I wish governments could get along so well. Hell, I wish members within governments could cooperate. If they could, even a little, think of how much better life would be.

*boneless* *wars*

@pomtubes1205

6 жыл бұрын

EUW Server *F O S S E L*

@hummbirb1384

6 жыл бұрын

???

@kemphoss-4791

6 жыл бұрын

stop...

@AikiraBeats

6 жыл бұрын

EUW Server with boneless wings

@argenys8

6 жыл бұрын

can i get uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh boneless dinosaur

"They started out friendly :-] "

3:27 At least Brontosaurus was declared its own genus in 2015.

Were they bad to the bone?

@freelemonade5032

6 жыл бұрын

Tundra1232 I seen SkeleTONS of puns, but the just takes the cake

"The thing people don't realize about the bone wars, it was never really about the bones at all"

Michael Crichton's Dragon Teeth (as seen in bookstores now) is about this.

Dragon Teeth by Michael Crichton is based on this feud. Fun book

The place where the Hadrosaurs was discovered, Haddonfield NJ, is a 3 minute drive from my house. And that feels pretty awesome

"The meat on the bone wars" I see what you did there Sci-show.... sneaky.

SR Foxley Thank you for keeping my favorite KZread channel running. I sincerely appreciate it

@SrFoxley

6 жыл бұрын

You're welcome Ricky-- but please note that I'm not the one keeping it running. In total, the other patreon supporters contribute a lot more than I do, and this channel wouldn't be here at all if it weren't for the Scishow crew, who do the hard work to put together such excellent content!

Pretty soon SR Foxley will no longer be "President" of Space, but the great Emperor of Space.

@SrFoxley

6 жыл бұрын

Oh, I'm not sure "Emperor" is really any kind of upgrade from "President." But thanks for the compliment anyway, eh. ;)

@oldcowbb

6 жыл бұрын

Good...good...

Freaking out because I just started doing research for my junior project/national history day and I chose the bone wars.. my world is revolving around the research right now and tonight I was casually scrolling through my subscriptions only to find this 😂 y'all are officially psychic Also kinda funny that in doing my research I've read all of the sources you got your information from

yeah can i get uuuuhhhhhh 🅱️oneless war?

@justindie7543

6 жыл бұрын

your memes are not welcome here

@iquemedia

6 жыл бұрын

Hyrum Diesen is any meme ever welcome anywhere?

@Howtard

6 жыл бұрын

Hyrum Diesen I would say that since this exact same meme is the 2nd highest comment (as of now) that memes are very welcome here

this story deserves a movie!

The real question is.... .....why hasn't Hollywood made a movie about the Bone Wars? This is some rich material ehre. oscar-winning even. Its got everything:treachery, betrayal, rivaly, and Dinosaurs.It could be like "There will be blood", but with dinosaurs!

I noticed while singing in the bathtub that a certain note seemed to resonate much louder than other tones I would hum. I'm pretty sure it was echoing off the metal faucet. What causes that?

Hank vs Michael? What? I heard rivalry...

@andy56duky

6 жыл бұрын

C2Lception nah. They were cuddling each other bts.

@magmagon5572

6 жыл бұрын

0 oh really? That will surely go down in history... makes for interesting paleontology topics doesn't it?

@andy56duky

6 жыл бұрын

C2Lception they were touching each other's hands when they grabbed a bone o.

@zaiDaDreamer

6 жыл бұрын

C2Lception hank

Set Reset Foxley sounds like a cool guy.

@SrFoxley

6 жыл бұрын

So does Redundantly Green Beans Plaza as well!

I always wanted to see a movie about this - like a TNT tv movie from the 90's...

Caring more about your ego than the advancement of human knowledge leads to bad science.

the second bone war: the skeleton war. NYEH!

This would make a good film.

Brontosaurus is generally considered valid again. While its true that Brontosaurus was considered dubious for a long time and a synonym to Apatosaurus, a study in 2015 suggests its a separate genus.

Old school scientists were such children. I love it.

I think one of Michael Crichton’s books was based on this rivalry (or at least inspired by it).

Brontosaurus has been partially reconsidered as being a separate genus from Apatosaurus, but still in the same sub-family.

Could you guys do a video on the science behind: Why does string cheese taste better when we pull and string it bite by bite? Perhaps we just enjoy the Ritualization and the resulting anticipation? How does our behavior influence our brain's perceived taste, etc?

For gamers, think Redmond and Blutarch Mann from Team Fortress 2.

why does ground beef in the fridge (opened) have a shorter durability than a fruit at room temperature?

*finds some horns next to a bunch of dead dinosaurs*... must be a buffalo

the title is like a 18+ star wars parody

Could y'all look into making a video on writing a scientific paper?

@CaptainMcAwesomepan

6 жыл бұрын

I'd be interested in this

Let's summarize the comment section. 90% Star Wars, 10% random stuff.

@KhanMann66

6 жыл бұрын

And this is supposed to be a science channel smh. ‘Tis a sad day when any good discussion on the video topic is completely replaced by nonsensical bs.

a rather appropriate subject considering i am in the middle of reading Doyle's The Lost World.

hahahah at first I wasn't sure if that was an intentional pun in the title or not!

When you die, if your gravestone doesn't say "RIP" on it you are automatically enlisted in the Skeltal Army to fight in the Great Bone War.

i hope after 65 million years, my bones don't become fuel for a futuristic bone war.

This story would make a good movie. Kind of stealth science since it would be mostly played for laughs but the science would come out in the background.

Can Scishow Pysch do an episode on why the History Wars happened? I mean, why did people take such polar sides?

We all lost friends in the Bone Wars

this would make a good movie

Yeah finally some Kansas history!!

Brontosaurus is actually considered it's own species now, although I'm not sure if the skeletons in question were different species.

@dgodfrey9189

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, they are. There are several species of both Apatosaurus and Brontosaurus, and the two genera are different enough to warrant being separated, rather than being lumped together.

@patsfast1980

6 жыл бұрын

Apatosaurus and brontosaurus are the same thing, called apatosaurus now. Species is the bottom line. There are many species of sauropods, but the examples stated here are recognized as apatosaurus. Genus is above species in the tree. Meaning there may be variations below that, but not above. Apatosaurus is a thing, brontosaurus is a mistake, but only by chronologic discovery. Same ANIMAL. No harm no foul, Marshist or Coneyist. Same critter

@patsfast1980

6 жыл бұрын

I'm 37 and have drawn a bunch of brontosaurus with crayon. Haven't bothered to cross out the names yet

@dgodfrey9189

6 жыл бұрын

No, they're not the same animal. Apatosaurus ajax and Brontosaurus excelsus are different (hence being different species), and Tschopp et al., 2015 make a pretty good case for regarding them as being different enough to warrant being put into different genera (iirc they're as different as Barosaurus and Diplodocus for example, and nobody lumps them together).

I'm here!

3:30 incorrect

With so much fuckery in paleontology, it’s no wonder people have doubts about the accuracy of dinosaurs existence

Still waiting for the Marsh v. Cope movie.

I hope I can have a nemesis like this in the future, who will always keep me on my toes haha

@woodfur00

6 жыл бұрын

Please, so you know, the word is "kismesis" (plural kismeses, relationship "kismesissitude" or "black romance," adjective "caliginous")

@marilynlucero9363

6 жыл бұрын

I already have one. My dear friend Lisa. She is not a paleontologist, but she is with mensa, a person not to be taken lightly. Hopefully you'll find your "Lisa" too, the discussions will always be worth it.

@TRUMPLocalWallBuildersUnion

6 жыл бұрын

Fross Fairy they dont allow women in mensa ... Theyre only allowed to join womensa

@pierrecurie

6 жыл бұрын

I think you forgot the part where they were both left penniless at the end.

@robinsparrow1618

6 жыл бұрын

Looks like Karkat beat me to the response. Figures.

AMA Request: SR Foxley

WILL YOU PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON GLIOMAS??!? Or at least give me a yes or no??

They could never quite bury the hatchet...

There's a big question storming the social media nowadays (not sure why), and the question is as follows. Is water wet? Could you answer that question?

Most people who aren't that familiar with the sciences don't realize that many academics are really very petty and childish, and care more about their own reputations than anything else. This is especially true in archaeology, where scientists who propose new hypotheses that challenge the accepted orthodoxy are attacked in every way imaginable, including lies, slander, and attempts to have them fired. This often causes researchers to suppress their own discoveries out of fear.

Bone Wars: sounds like a Star Wars xxx parody

1:15 One man born in 1831 and another born in 1840 is not a "meanwhile."

So many sources say it was the brontosaurus that had the camarasaurus skull. It seems people find it a better story that nobody uses that name because it was given to a sham skeleton. By the sounds of it, the rules of precedent meant that having part of the new dinosaur was enough to make the name stick for apatosaurus, even though it was shoddily reconstructed. The rules of taxonomic precedent lead to pretty weird results, hence whales being called "basilisaurus" (which implies it's a lizard) and monkeys being called "apidium" (which implies it's a bovine). It's funny that people get this backwards. Are they worried that it'll make the discipline look bad to have to explain that you could fudge up a reconstruction and still have your name stick as per precedent rules? If there's no way to explain this without making it sound dumb, maybe the rule is dumb, and ought to be changed to be less so. It seems to encourage this kind of rushed research.

I heard about this from drunk history 😂

You should collab with ASAPscience

I wish there would come a movie adaptation of this event, I dont know any movies about fighting paleontologists Anyways, #Teammarsh

@hmmmhmmm4481

4 жыл бұрын

I recommend to you Dragon Teeth by Michael Crichton

@therighttrousers343

2 жыл бұрын

#TeamCope we're Copeing.

BRONTOSAURUS WAS REINSTATEd IN 2016

For additional information, I highly recommend listening to The Dollop episode about The Bone Wars. thedollop.libsyn.com/132-the-bone-wars

"collaboration and sharing information" - 40$ per paper that might not even include information you're looking for :)

Just throwing it out there Isn't that HEAD TRANSPLANT happening rather soon?

We will always be throwing rocks at each other...

Do ostriches float?

Game of Bones ;)

i love scientific drama

"President of space"? Lol

"Drinking" is my middle name.

the product of "Give credit where credit is do" & self people wanting the credit. TEAMWORK / PARTNERSHIPS, love your neighbors to find truths

Why don't you publish a video about the history of scientific journals?:) Could be interesting!

Study rocks, instead of throwing them... Novel concept!

This video is 3 years old, but the fact you guys get this outright and brazenly _wrong_ is enough to make it worth writing this. _Brontosaurus excelsus_ wasn't described as a seperate species based upon the skull. Marsh had come to the conclusion that _Brontosaurus_ was a different genus from _Apatosaurus_ before they even found any skull, and it wouldn't even have mattered about the skull because, as you yourselves mention, there was no _Apatosaurus_ skull. It was identified as seperate primarily due to the condition of the scapula, sacrum, and sacral vertebrae, and had nothing to do with the skull. And, while the later information based upon the supposed skull was proven wrong, that did nothing in and of itself to disprove _Brontosaurus_ from being different, because it very much _was_ different. The factor which caused Riggs to unify the two genus was due to the fact that the _Apatosaurus_ specimen was a juvenile, but would (according to Riggs) have grown into the form represented in the adult by _Brontosaurus,_ as Riggs states in the very publication used to justify unifying the two genus. You guys want to ignore the 2015 survey regarding _Brontosaurus,_ or just consider it incorrect in its conclusions? Fine, it's fair to doubt the results of singular studies. But if you want to talk crap about Marsh, maybe you should do your research _properly_ and look at the original papers.

when will the skeleton war end

What about The Wikipedia wars?

Edward Drinks to Cope

Who is SR Foxley and why have I not head my president speak yet.

OMG. The pettiness. I can't...

I once heard the story that Coprolite, petrified dinosaur dung, was given it's name by a rival palaentologist. He named it after a man he disliked in the same field.Could this be part of this story as well?

@MakeMeThinkAgain

6 жыл бұрын

Only if the man he disliked was named (in Greek) for dung.

Sniper Rifle Foxley

@SrFoxley

6 жыл бұрын

State Route Foxley

"so you see these two rich guys came from rich families,they started competing with each other, and eventually destroyed priceless resources in their bitter and pointless feud that left the field in shambles" Yeah that sounds like rich kid scientists and legacy grads.

So... is there no such thing as a brontosaurus at did they name a different type of sauropod brontosaurus

I guess this is what happens when you mix ego's into science. Everyone's all for recognition and money rather than science. Also, as for sharing information and working together. countries back in the day to include the medieval times and beyond, have kept scientific secrets from each other (the most relevant case I can think of would be the prism and light discoveries in astrology or something). Even today, we have had a lot of results and improvements due to all the nuclear testing that we have done in secret. Or we can do Unit 731. Everyone in the world wanted to know what was conducted there by the Japanese because no one else dare risk to commit acts of inhumane experiments.

My bone is always at war

is water wet

@TheGamingParadise22

6 жыл бұрын

Trees are woody

So the skeleton wars do exist..

Throwing rocks? Yea that did happen...but what about that time at Como Bluff when Marsh ordered Cope's excavation site dynamited? >~

I finished Crichton's Dragon Teeth today and you upload this video. Great timing.

nice vid!

SR Foxley, or should I say President, what would I have to do to get citizenship in space?

@SrFoxley

6 жыл бұрын

Well, since space technically fills the entirety of the known universe, and you are already presumably somewhere within the known universe-- you're already a citizen! Huzzah!

Thank you SR Foxley!

@SrFoxley

6 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! But really-- I think the rest of the patreon supporters deserve a lot more credit than I do (who in total contribute a lot more than me each month), as well as the awesome Scishow crew who do the hard work to put together this great content!