furries do have a pretty valid reason to get anxious around guns, toy or not

@jkdragonjk6895

Ай бұрын

I mean if its a toy then the person wouldn't be armed in the first place

@ArmmoonPE

Ай бұрын

Most people have a pretty valid reason to get anxious around armed people tbh (it is deadly)

@nicholasg6048

Ай бұрын

@@ArmmoonPEbut it wasn’t deadly, it was made of foam.

@JoltJackelope

Ай бұрын

@@nicholasg6048 The Problem is it LOOKS Like A Real Gun.

@jktech2117

Ай бұрын

@@jkdragonjk6895 isnt as if someone can add stuff to a real gun to make it look like a toy one

tbh if someone carried a fake gun in a crowd of people who can't stop receiving hate from the internet and extremist I would be scared too

@keyramgames2352

24 күн бұрын

i didnt understand why this is a problem if the cons I go to there are a lot of people who come with guns or tactical cosplays and then I remember most of you are from the USA

Why was the gun allowed if it violates the con rules? Some consistency from FWA staff is needed here! That prop gun shouldn't have been allowed, period. Even under the older, more relaxed rules.

@nessunday

Ай бұрын

The con released a statement on that, they stated that it was likely a poorly trained member of staff who wasnt aware it breached con rules.

@protowave

Ай бұрын

even so, it's extremely easy to literally just walk into the hotel through the front door without having ever registered for the convention. there's thousands of people in the lobby and nobody is going to stop you from going anywhere, really, unless it's a panel room that requires registration. so this same thing could've happened with anyone off the street, with a real or a fake gun, at any time.

@heyer777

Ай бұрын

its a toy,orange muzzle and bam

Bombvoyage stole my house, currently living in Mcdonalds, send help.

@Notagood-Mcname

Ай бұрын

ok (0.02$ Sent) hope this helps

@caduguardrailkingowo

Ай бұрын

they must be stopped, someone lost their finger, nothing related to drugs

@ivanthhefolf

Ай бұрын

Can I get a bigmac pls

1: This is a really good M16 prop, dayum. Thought it was Airsoft at first. 2: That's what Super Soakers and NERFs are for. NERF has an apropriatly plasticky, colourful and cartoon proportioned M16 that is still recongniseable as an AR15 thanks to the Fortnite colab.

@jimcobbler3954

Ай бұрын

Or airsoft. It’s less noticeable but the orange tip is enough to go “Oh okay that’s not real”

@IndieLambda

Ай бұрын

Airsoft is designed to be almost 1 to 1, a high quality M16A1 would look even closer to the real deal than that prop, that's why hollywood uses them, if they don't need them to be shot, it both looks just right on camera, and is safer for people on set.

I think cosplaying as a villain and pointing or even carrying a prop gun has the same effect as cosplaying as a firefighter and screaming “FIRE!!!”. In-character or not, anybody who isn’t paying 100% attention to you (which is most of the people there) will be startled by the display and may react accordingly.

@demong0ld322

Ай бұрын

its not, but I get where your coming from.

@verycleverusername8159

Ай бұрын

@@demong0ld322The cat in your pfp looks gay

@sadjhin103

Ай бұрын

Funny you say Fire.

Plus, FWA was littered with real guns. I heard rumors of several furries that had real guns there, there were cops littering the hotel, and while FWA and the Marquis may prohibit firearms, there are other non-furry guests who may not be aware of or care about the policy. We are after in a state that is very gun friendly. I think a shooter wouldn't have a very good time there. That with that same thought in mind, Bootles point about him potentially spooking someone who is carrying and then could open fire is a valid concern.

@Alopexus

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. I suppose that I'm a little biased being an Australian, but the idea of there being actual weapons at a con seems insane to me, but since they're there, it seems to be in poor taste to poke the proverbial bear by brandishing what very much appears to be an actual assault rifle above a large crowd. Definitely could provoke a lethal response. Thankfully not the case here but there's a valuable lesson to be learned from this. Hopefully it's taken to heart for all future events.

@fivesormeem3219

Ай бұрын

@@Alopexus I am australian and I disagree, having weapons makes sense, I carry weapons for self defence given my line of work and the city I am in. If con security is A+ tier, then I can understand not carrying it, and restricting arms, but given I saw little to no security patrols, if at all, I can completely get behind having people there with firearms, given some people like take their own safety into their own hands

I mean given how often mass shootings take place here in the US, people should really know better than to bring a prop that looks realistic (even with an orange tip).

@jkdragonjk6895

Ай бұрын

I have to disagree with you their. Mass shooting aren't exactly that common given the fact that the US is massive and contains hundreds of millions of people. That point is mostly brought up as propaganda by one side of the political isle to push their goals, and isn't exactly grounded in reality.

@Construct_the_protogen

Ай бұрын

Yeah, with the videos I've seen, I really had to pay attention to the vid to see the orange tip. In a crowd with a mask would make it nearly impossible to see the tip.

@protowave

Ай бұрын

@@jimcobbler3954 the hotel is absolutely massive. i saw this in person, but from far away, and could not see the orange tip. had it continued much longer, i would've likely found the nearest police officer or called 911. it only takes ONE person to start panicking to cause a stampede, or to cause other people to pull out their REAL guns/other weapons.

@jimcobbler3954

Ай бұрын

@@protowave (Deleted reply because I finished the video and was wrong) Yeah it was neon it was just hard to see. I think the new policy is fine as long as it's enforced on fake guns that look similar enough to be a problem.

@incorrectslav4579

14 күн бұрын

As you might relate that prop to a threat others may not. It’s a strange conversation to be had but a necessary one. If any bit of statistics would lighten your mood and dampen ur fear no mass shooting within the US has ever occurred at any sort of convention and that’s not some malarky I’m talking about over 60-70 years of all kinds of conventions held yearly or even monthly. The single one that had a mass shooting wasn’t even a convention it was a video game tournament at a convention center. (If ur interested in the name it’s the Jacksonville landing shooting and it’s a damn shame that it happened) The chances (as fuck up as saying people dying is a chance) is EXPONENTIALLY lower than dying in a car crash on the way to a convention in the first place or on the way to work. Not defending improper gun etiquette here just trying to explain that fear is very much misplaced.

Its funny seeing someone I know be part of this. I'm not surprised though. its not the first time he got into trouble, the the last time was because he was trolling some undesirable people.

I think that the public reaction to this stunt is reasonable, especially given that it's likely that a large portion of the crowd might not have been aware of the fact that the gun was fake. The antifur rhetoric is just far too gung-ho about stuff like this for this to be immediately taken as a joke. People are going to assume that a gun which looks that realistic is real, and react accordingly. While the joke may have been made with no ill intent, they should have considered how it might appear to onlookers. People have tried to argue that this was "just a joke" and that the people who are complaining are just snowflakes, but that argument just doesn't hold up. It is not at all easy to tell that the gun is marked as a prop, and regardless of the police being aware of it, the congoers were not. This could easily have been mistaken for someone actually aiming a real firearm at the crowd, and I know that I personally would have panicked on initially seeing the weapon, and been highly concerned about it after noticing the orange tip, if I did notice the tip at all. This is a great example of someone not properly considering public perception when planning a stunt. They likely didn't mean any harm, but they caused harm nonetheless, and it is very important that situations like this are avoided, either by informing congoers of the presence of prop firearms at a con accompanied with a description of the weapon, or by preventing people from bringing prop firearms.

@monochromemann

Ай бұрын

I ain’t reading all that

@MiaTheOtterPup

Ай бұрын

@@monochromemann I wasn't going to make you. Why did you even feel the need to write a comment about it if you aren't going to read it?

@monochromemann

Ай бұрын

@@MiaTheOtterPup it was a joke.

@MiaTheOtterPup

Ай бұрын

@@monochromemann Oh my bad, I'm kinda bad at social cues sometimes TwT

@monochromemann

Ай бұрын

@@MiaTheOtterPup it’s alright guvnah

As someone who had brought a bright orange and white clone trooper gun to a furry con I’d say you gotta make sure that it is obviously not a real thing!

@jimcobbler3954

Ай бұрын

Agreed. I don’t like the bandwagoning in the comments section. I wonder if, rather than barring realistic fake guns from cons altogether, it would be a good idea to just ban waving them around. That way you could still have them on an outfit or something, but choosing to wave it around would be risking getting booted from the con. Worst case, if people still decide to do it, they ban them altogether instead.

Wish I could have gone to FWA.. My cousin lives in Atlanta, I'm gonna ask him if he saw anything. Love Bomb Voyage, but he stabbed a Lethal Company employee. I guess the gun thing could definitely make people anxious.

@silversjunkpile

Ай бұрын

i thought that was pyro tf2 lol

@Foxtrotwolf

Ай бұрын

Pyro.... From Lethal Company?

@Sparten-177

Ай бұрын

Ain't no way

Couldn't do Syndrome and have a spider plushie to carry around. Noooo.

Bombvoyage should not gotten this much negativity. What concerns me is that the furry fandom is getting more attention from certain “news” channels and I don’t want some crazy random person do anything crazy.

@frostfamily5321

Ай бұрын

I wonder if you think they are no more as much news channels than Yeezy's or maybe even And 1's are Jordans?

@fronker7581

Ай бұрын

Crazy things have already happened, I believe in 2014 at MFF there was a chlorine gas attack that hospitalized some people and a few cons have had threats called on em that resulted in police intervention

@Wilker_uwu

Ай бұрын

i don't think the lack of someone doing something weird will stop such channels from doing fear-mongering, other hobbies with large communities and minority groups have plenty of incidents to give examples on it.

@frostfamily5321

Ай бұрын

So do you think I brought up a good point or what?

Bro ain't a threat to our community. I was the guy with the pizza blanket. I met the DHMIS crew! 🦓💚

@jktech2117

Ай бұрын

yup hes not, hes just having fun

@YeenKell

Ай бұрын

Thas mah boy Pedro. He's chillin' silly man.

@felearce4718

Ай бұрын

He's deffinitly not, he just got carried away after WAY too many mistakes happend with staff comunication lol

@nessunday

Ай бұрын

He really was a threat! He could have easily caused a panic from the crowd or a concealed carrier could have precieved him as a threat. He put his fellow con goers at risk for a cheap stunt to get himself noticed

@CREEPINGIRON

Ай бұрын

@@nessunday hmm, nope!

I'm not blamming the cosplayer for what happened, but honestly (and unfortunately) america has too many mass shootings for this to have been okay. I would have been nervous too if I had seen this. I live in Georgia and people can carry weapons here, so it wouldn't have been too much of a leap to think it was, especially for the people seeing it at a distance.

This is most ok not-ok thing I have ever seen from a furry convention. You all know what I mean. That said. As someone who was raised around guns and grew up with gun safety as a general fact of life, several not ok things happened here. 1) always treat any gun, even a prop gun, as if it is a loaded weapon (posing for pictures is ok, but pointing it into the crowd is not) 2) prop or toy guns should be very clearly marked as not real, and if it isn't clear at a glance then it is not clearly marked (it's pretty obvious how it could be mistaken for a real one) 3) the cosplayer let someone take their real looking gun away from them (people expect such items to be held by the appropriate cosplay, not by randos, so this was basically asking to cause panic) I think it'd be pretty fair to ban any realistic looking cosplay of combat/war characters and their weapons, so like a CoD cosplay. But I don't think the same should apply to well known pop culture characters, like the TF2 or Overwatch characters, as long as they *CLEARLY* mark their gear as props and don't let people run off with it.

@nicholasg6048

Ай бұрын

I agree, this dude did not do a great job, and I hate that they are changing rules because of this screwup

@Cade_Rufus

Ай бұрын

"...so like a CoD cosplay. But I don't think the same should apply to well known pop culture characters, like the TF2 or Overwatch characters..." ... Did you forget that Ghost exists??? Or, has no one told you about him yet? This is coming from someone who *also* thinks this was handled poorly.

@graveyardshift2100

Ай бұрын

@@Cade_Rufus you know what no, I don't know or care wtf ever Ghost is. Now if you're done being a snob about my video game knowledge, I'd like to go back to the serious conversation that was being had.

@the_furry_inside_your_walls639

Ай бұрын

@@graveyardshift2100 Ghost is an iconic character from CoD. He's the dude with the skull mask. and painted eyes. You must have lived under a rock for the last several years to not have even seen him on the internet. Don't call someone else a snob for calling attention to a lapse in your knowledge if you yourself are gonna act like an even bigger snob. A simple google search and a more appropriate response would have suffice

@Silkyfur

Ай бұрын

People shouldn't assume that every furry knows about all so-called "well known pop culture characters". Not all furries play video games in their spare time. I am 47 years old, and what is a "well known pop culture character" to furries of one age group, may not be equally well known to furries of another age group. I have never played TF2 or Overwatch, nor have I seen anyone play it, or talked to anyone about the games. If someone was cosplaying a character from those games, I would have no idea. It could just be a lunatic with a gun.

I think it was mainly the fact that he was standing on the Pulse platform, when everyone there is, or should be, very aware of the Pulse Nightclub incident.

@dominickparker

Ай бұрын

constitional carry state

@CountDraccula

Ай бұрын

It had nothing to do with the Pulse platform you are one of 2 people I've seen mention this no one else cares about that they legit only care about the Prop

@Thrillrider10

Ай бұрын

@@CountDraccula We must run in different circles then, because I've seen a lot of people talking about that particular detail.

@Thrillrider10

Ай бұрын

@@dominickparker Okay, and cons have the right to ask people not to carry, what's your point?

3:00 That's basically where the entire argument falls apart. Everyone on site had fun and nobody complained. Some randoms on twitter decided to bitch and moan, and because the squeaky wheel gets the grease, even if it is rotting in the garage, the convention bowed down to it.

@joshwizinsky1979

15 күн бұрын

EXACTLY MY RESPONSE

9:01 this is an incredibly stupid and shortsighted “solution”. If someone wants to commit a mass atrocity, do you REALLY think that a piece of paper/statement is going to stop them from gunning down dozens of innocent people?

@kina5146

Ай бұрын

Reducing the number of false-positives in a threat environment reduces the unnecessary collateral

I met Bomb Voyage at TFF and so I already have that bias of knowing he wouldnt bring a real gun (or any for that matter sense it wasnt his) to a con. He already apologized but now some twitter furries are calling him an alt-right red-flag based on literally nothing.

So Now I cant go as my tactical fursona...

As someone who was in that atrium at the time of this event (it was 3:30 am Sunday night/Monday morning, so even later than Beta's estimate): -The orange dot and ribbon were VERY clear , and it seemed pretty clear that with the smaller crowd so late that EVERYONE knew who that was on the high stage, and in the moment everyone was well aware that it was an act and nothing more. I think the cosplayer was also smart enough to know not to do this at a much busier time of the con because im certain someone new to the fandom at 6pm there would NOT have such a good reaction. -FWA has kind of a miserable track record of following and enforcing their own policies and plans, whether its with prop weapons or crowd control (hello Elevator Con) or safety complaints from individuals. Theyre not malignant, but they always seem to plan for a lot less people to show up than actually do, and theyre ALWAYS overwhelmed each year. If theyre gonna do better next year, they may need to overcompensate -I definitely agree that the damage control being done is the best path forward, and im glad this has been resolved without too much online battling happening, haha

@Alopexus

Ай бұрын

Thanks for clarifying those details. Helps to know.

I mean, in all fairness, the way he was carrying it would be physically impossible with an actual gun of that size due to the weight and the balance, and from the footage he seems to be avoiding putting his fingers visibly near the trigger area, but I do think the part where he was pointing it at the audience was extremely irresponsible. Personally, I don't think he should be banned, but being very firmly asked *not* to repeat this stunt lest he be banned (and permanently) seems imminently reasonable to me.

@Dukurow

Ай бұрын

All valid points. Respecting trigger discipline is important, but there’s a limit to what it can defend.

I think there was largely an overreaction.

Thank you for being a reasonable person

I had only seen pictures without context so far, so it brings me a lot of relief to know that it wasn't some edgy dude doing his thing

@the_furry_inside_your_walls639

Ай бұрын

You must have only seen the two images news outlets want you to see. I looked him up through google search and got plenty of results of the dude chilling or joking around with other attendees. He was not a threat at all.

@Tezla_Insanity

Ай бұрын

Had the pleasure of speaking to him a few times. He's a really nice dude and very chill.

I didn't even know this was a cosplay of a character. I just thought someone was being a mime. I saw the guy earlier in the con doing mime-like shenanigans, so I was taken aback by the photo where he poses with the prop weapon as being very unbecoming of a mime, though I kind of now understand that this is part of the point of the character, I suppose. Some people still consider the cosplayer's response as a non-apology, though I think that it sounds reasonable, as well as the con's response: none of this seems to have been intentional, and everyone involved has learned a lesson.

This type of stuff shouldn't be allowed at a con. I wasn't there when it happened, but have heard of it through my socials. Yeah, fake weapons shouldnt fly at furry cons at all.

@loggior.speedweed4345

Ай бұрын

...you've clearly never been to a anime/comic conventon

@jimcobbler3954

Ай бұрын

I’d say the issue is that it looks like someone spray painted the orange tip on that one. They’re normally bright neon orange. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to display a toy gun without an orange tip outside an air-soft or paintball place. Idk tho don’t take my word on that.

5:35 Guns are the great equalizer. I PERSONALLY advocate for Marginalized Communities to carry firearms, as it’s MUCH harder to hate-crime/assault an individual who is armed.

good thing i have a gears of war rifle. nobody is going to believe thats a real chainsaw bayonet

Why does Bombvoyage look like a scary clown or mime.

@lovelylesbian5135

Ай бұрын

Bc he's French, mimes are p popular there

@SmoulderDrache

Ай бұрын

I mean he's a villain

@siaa9992

Ай бұрын

the incredibles

@shepherdbrooks7609

Ай бұрын

It's a play on words with Bon Voyage, which I believe means something like "good journey"/"have a nice trip" in French, mimes are French, bomb because villain and bad

@Volcano22207

Ай бұрын

He is a mime

My biggest issue with the fake gun is that there is no way for someone to tell that it is fake, like, no orange tip or anything

@SoogySploogy

Ай бұрын

Indeed was marked in more than one spot, however it may not have been clearly visible.

@CountDraccula

Ай бұрын

It has an orange tip and was marked with a ribbon both of which were shown in the video did you just not watch?

@morelstrike

Ай бұрын

It had an orange tip.

@BfoxB

Ай бұрын

7:05

does "no weapons" apply to conically cartoon splatoon-style guns and inflatable hammers

@Volcano22207

Ай бұрын

Probably not

@youkofoxy

Ай бұрын

I guess at that point, after much thinking, if people attack or panic over a kids water gun or a giant inflatable hammer... Conventions should not exist.

@Cade_Rufus

Ай бұрын

No *realistic-looking* weapons.

@gururu1286

Ай бұрын

I think neft guns r ok

@ThisRedneck

Ай бұрын

Anything can be a weapon John Wick 2 proved that (see pencil scene). Time to ban it all

I think it’s an important point to consider that Bomb Voyage never held a gun in The Incredibles. It shouldn’t be difficult to understand why people get nervous about stunts like this, especially not in a country where civilians suffer gun violence regularly. That said, I don’t think it’s reasonable to ban prop firearms. If a place isn’t already enforcing a rule against brandishing weapons in front of a crowd, it’s not a place anyone with any sense should go to in the first place, and if you ban prop firearms, you’re telling attendees that you want to control cosplay.

I just don't think having a fake gun at a furry con, there has been so many shootings in general.

Thank you for showing and telling me about this video Beta.

Why talk about this when someone got their finger bitten off, someone got beat up, several people got their cars broken into? These things are far more important than a prop gun.

@Dr.Oofers

Ай бұрын

Idk. Funni?

@Silkyfur

Ай бұрын

Because the risk of a potential mass shooting at future cons with several people being injured or dead is far more important than people getting beaten up, fingers being bitten off or cars getting broken into?

@mrmolo70

Ай бұрын

Because what rule could the convention make to control crime in the local area? It's simple to say "Hey, don't bring realistic weapons into the convention space where you could potentially upset a lot of people," as a rule where as saying "Don't bite people's fingers off" is kind of a given. It's simply a matter of where you can clarify the rules for the convention space.

@incorrectslav4579

14 күн бұрын

⁠@@SilkyfurI understand ur feelings however like Battery/assault and theft isn’t something to neglect because something else was made a big issue online they ALL are cause for concern and all should be addressed professionally and properly by the convention.

I understand why people would be worried and why people would be confused on this

That's why you need that orange around the muzzle. That's actually one of the reasons nerf guns have the orange bits. It's to make sure it's know its not real.

My boy is getting famous.

“The bombvoyage furry convention drama” ok guys we can pack up. This is what humanity has been leading to.

Thanks for the update! Good analysis and I agree.

honestly, its not a him issue, its a con issue. dont hate on the poor guy hes just being goofy

Okay after looking at their policy, yeah that’s fair. I just hope the enforcement doesn’t go too far. Cartoony guns like overwatch ones (as another commenter mentioned) cannot be mistaken for a real weapon. If they cross the line, there are a million other things that cross the line, so why ban them? Or another example is a weapon in an unmistakably ridiculous situation. For example, someone brings in a costume that has a big cannon or some other comically out-of-proportion weapon. While it may look realistic, there’s no way that it’s actually dangerous, because it’s extremely unrealistic to argue that that’s an actual weapon. Like, can you bring in a blunderbuss for a pirate outfit? I’d say yes, (don’t you DARE argue that a shooter using a blunderbuss is realistic) but some employee might err on the side of caution and say no. There is some point at which you have to draw the line and say “This is just too unlikely to make anyone feel uncomfortable, so we can allow it”

Thx for the pretty well-researched discussion on this topic. I have a phobia of guns essentially, so I guess I was lucky to not be at FWA for this moment. I think Bombvoyage cosplayers certainly pull off the funny+wholesome villain look without prop guns.

I think that a full-on ban of tactical gear is a bit overboard especially if you're going to go to the extent Denfur did and ban everything down to camouflage pants or just gloves, even banning uniforms of any style. If there is a safety concern, then there should be a restriction on what type of gear is allowed and if a prop is involved it must be painted a certain way or the person with it should have to submit to an inspection of the prop once daily at the con. Like there is a tactical militaristic side of the fandom that I feel is being completely excluded from everything. I was kicked out of a convention for a load bearing rig I was using to carry various small things I bought as well as some needed items. There should be no reason I can't show off a half-life cosplay I spent months putting together with a prop that has bright orange parts because people don't like the sight of camouflage gear. If I can walk by a cop on the road wearing my tac vest on the way to a convention it should be fine(and I have multiple times). I will debate with anybody about this.

The fact that people are losing their minds and starting twitter fights over this is stupid af, Another reason why I dislike this fandom, and I'm an active member of it. Taking small situations and blowing them way out of proportion.

how many dislikes can we get on this? If the staff wasn't stopping them and nobody bothered to ask about it while it was going on then why is everyone shitting on the guy bringing a TOY to the convention lol this is cringe af!!

It is quite easy these days to hide a safety switch on a firearm so it may look and act as an imitation weapon, the next bullets firing everywhere and chaos begins. This is totally reasonable and other cons should be tightening the restrictions around this sorta stuff. Apologies if this has triggered anyone.

@nicholasg6048

Ай бұрын

This is not as easy as you think it is, and the gun was made of foam which means it would be nearly impossible to add a gun that fires repeatedly

@1993soldierboy

Ай бұрын

@@nicholasg6048 To be honest, I don't think he knows anything about fire arms.

@the_furry_inside_your_walls639

Ай бұрын

Literally wrong, and the gun was made out of foam. Foam is not an ideal material to make a real gun out of.

@nicholasg6048

Ай бұрын

@@1993soldierboy me thinks you are correct

I dont think the person is at fault for using the prop as it is the staffs responsibility to handle that. If its was just a written policy then a punishment or warning would be justified but since it was particularly approved by staff i see no reason why people should blame him, if you are gonna get mad at someone get mad at the con staff. On another note i would like to point out that it is incredibly counter intuitive for states to make people jump through hoops to get a concealed carry permit and wait for unreasonable amounts of time only to be told that they are not allowed to carry in an area they are likely to be in for multiple days. And given the fact that it was a realistic looking prop that was cleared there is absolutely a chance that someone could sneak in with a real weapon, in which case all of the people in the con space would be left defenseless until law enforcement arrives should something happen.

the thumbnail made it 10x better

personally, I think having a prop gun/toy gun is alright if the weapon has an orange tip/clearly fake. Unless the rules say otherwise, for example, if the place says you can't bring fake or real weapons of any sort, don't bring it.

if it had an orange tip I'd be fine with it, but I think some of yall are taking it way too far and being too sensitive over it, yall need to grow a pair lol

The thing is, a carry permit DOES override their rules, as per state AND federal law. It’s a convention center, and it’s not the FWA’s organizer’s right(due to not even owning the property outright) to infringe upon the constitutional rights of others.

I had a super frustrating conversation on Twitter about this. Person A was pointing out that with America's history of mass shootings it was even more inappropriate and included stats. Person B pointed out that the stats on mass shootings were somewhat misleading and inflated. So I pointed out that it's still gun violence, but that as I live in Australia ALL gun violence is shocking to me. My point being that the context of the US having high gun violence is still relevant, whether or not they were technically mass shootings, and that perhaps some Americans are a little desensitised to it. And then person B started pointing out that because I live in Australia that there are dangerous animals here? Pretty sure no were near as many people die from that as compared with gun violence in the US but that is so irrelevant. Anyway I left the conversation after that because they were missing the point so hard and I didn't know how to explain it at the time lol.

@LightBluly

Ай бұрын

YES thank you! As a non american and live in Singapore, I'm shocked that people still defend the guy when there are dozens of mass shootings in the U.S. Heck, isn't there an LGBT nightclub shooting a few years ago? So why the fuck people think it's still okay to bring a realistic gun? Heck, furry convention does have a history of target before with MFF 2014 and a bomb threat last year.

@tmaxim2651

Ай бұрын

​@@LightBluly Yeah there's at least 2. Pulse nightclub in 2016 with 49 deaths and the Club Q mass shooting in 2022 with 5 deaths. It's awful. The fact that some shootings that are officially counted as "mass shootings" aren't what most people would consider a "mass shooting" is irrelevant to me, when discussing the context of why this cosplay was not a good idea. Very frustrating.

@PsychoCivic-yw5sp

Ай бұрын

​@tmaxim2651 Yeah, most "mass shootings" are gang violence in cities, where victims are usually other gang members. A problem no doubt but not what people imagine. Still, it is not a good idea to have a realistic looking weapon at any con. Even other countries still have shootings and terrorist attacks. You can cause panic or risk getting killed by police/security thinking it's a terrorist attack.

@tmaxim2651

Ай бұрын

@@PsychoCivic-yw5sp yeah see I don’t think it matters whether or not most mass shootings are technically gang violence, when discussing why the context of high gun violence in America makes a prop gun inappropriate. I can see why you think it matters but I don’t.

@PsychoCivic-yw5sp

Ай бұрын

​@tmaxim2651 Oh, I was just saying that the kind of indiscriminate mass shootings most think of, while unfortunately higher in the states, are thankfully still rare. But I can see why the furry community especially would still be very anxious about attacks like that given all the constant death threats and hate... and the fact that someone sent 19 people to the hospital with chlorine gas back in 2014

I will say the peace bonding of the prop with a tag and small orange tip wasn't conspicuous enough to be seen from a good distance, and the fact that the tip of the main barrel was not orange while the part above it was probably doesn't meet the standards for imitation fire arms under 15 U.S. Code § 500 (like foam dart guns, water pistols, bb guns, paint ball guns, props etc.). This is why it's important that, for conventions that still allow prop weapons through the peace bonding process (which does not include Furry Con), that only props that are obviously fake from a distance due to their bright colors, plastic/foam construction, and conspicuous orange tip on the main barrel (for imitation fire arms) get approved. For conventions where no prop weapons are approved, it's important that not only are staff made aware of and maintain such bans or any policy changes between conventions -but the sellers too- as I recall seeing novelty weapons with metal blades (with and without sharp edges) be sold at conventions accompanied by open displays. And no, providing supervision for open displays and forbidding buyers from opening their boxed weapon on the convention premises is not enough in my perspective.

1:33 bros doing the Tuskin Raiders arm raise

I dont have a fursuit, but I wear a crusader outfit and helmet to furry conventions

From what I heard that rule of no weapons in a convention space was just added after FWA ended so it's a new rule that was not specifically addressed in the code of conduct It's funny how they changed it so quickly.

Didnt people edit the orange tip out of some of the photos?

I think they need to start a thing where they can put a orange/rainbow any colour band strapped around the weapon(tip and sides) and also only sertain areas/times for people whose main thing in cosplay is weapons idk man I'm British lol

I spotted Bombvoyage at a con I attended! I was so tickled to see such a relatively obscure cosplay. I reckon they meant well, but given the country we live in, people really need to be savvy and careful about waving around realistic-looking weapons or feigning or gesturing to violent or terroristic gestures, threats, or acts.

Which is Understandable why people would be upset or something because of it since it might be mistaken as a Firearm instead of a Toy Gun which I don’t know if this is a stupid idea but instead of Replicas of a Gun it could be a Nerf Gun or a Water Gun Just a Thought. Also Note: I like how the Gun that Bombvoyage borrowed from was Cosplaying as a HECU Soldier maybe. Just wanted to mention that since I’m a Half Life fan

Oh jeez I saw this coming xD I'm gonna listen at work, also HECCIN BETA!!! I saw you once during con but you looked in a hurry clutching that big bottle of titos in the elevator so I didnt wanna pester! I hope I run into you next fwa quq

1:25 how do you know he didnt cause the fire 💀

what about the reports of sex in public or alleged harasment

@caduguardrailkingowo

Ай бұрын

we dont talk about Bruno

@taliaj6483

Ай бұрын

This is definitely more important because it’s more prevalent at furry conventions….

@taliaj6483

Ай бұрын

@@caduguardrailkingowoactually we DO talk about Bruno

Listen, i have two nerf vulkens, one clear, one yellow, the yellow has no battery cover for now, but because of the design of that model of nerf gun, it doesnt need battery to fire, do i plan to pretty much become heavy from tf2 while suiting at a con? Mmmm, perhaps. But if i do, i will only take it to the con space if there is a nerf war

Completely agree with your points here. The policy is clear and should be adhered too. Surprised that the convention staff gave him the go-ahead for that, definitely a poor decision on their part. Personally I'd be very uncomfortable being in that space if I saw that. If it looks like a weapon, it should be treated as if it is one, prop or not.

I replied to that tweet expressing my fears and concerns, and so many people replied IN FAVOR of wanting guns at cons!! Like, WHAT!? People are insane

Dang.....good thing I think my homecon has gone full no gun props. It sucks I was gonna gonna be a helldiver

Yooooooo I was there, I got a pic with him Saturday 😭😂

Look, I'm just happy I got a picture with you at FWA. The real issue is the covid that everyone got at the con lol

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Thank you for making this video, while I think we definitely should prioritize peoples safety and not have weapons or prop weapons in con spaces, I also have seen Bomb Voyage at my local meets in SoCal, he definitely didnt mean anything by this and maybe just got a little carried away in the moment. I hope nobody has animosity towards him, sometimes we all go a little overboard. But yes, we should not have prop weapons in con spaces.

"Monsieur Incroyable!" -Bomb Voyage, whatever year the prologue of "The Incredibles" takes place

I went to FWA this year, and I figured something would end up becoming a meme. This dude was really in character.

so basically, if you want to cosplay as any fictional character that has/is iconic with a weapon (doesn't even have to be a gun), don't go to a furry con.

I think there was some way worse occurrences at fwa this year

Yeahhh...This is not something I ever expected to happen....Bombvoyage carrying a realistic looking gun prop around a furry convention. I mean,I don't think it'd be an issue if it was say a prop of a Lasgun from Warhammer 40k as it's clearly a sci-fi weapon and doesn't look realistic at all

I attended FWA (first con since joining the fandom) as well. I actually cosplayed as Alastor from Hazbin Hotel and got a good reception from everyone there.

Bomb voyage doesn’t even have a gun though? Edit: ah, that makes more sense.

Welllll I feel like what he did wasn't ment in bad faith, but I would be a least a little scared in such a situation. Luckily it didn't happen often but there have been attempts of terrorism at furcons so I dunno 🫤 seeing a realistic looking gun there does feel bad

As long as a lesson was learned, I don't think this was nearly the worst thing to happen at this particular con. But please. Learn the lesson. The position of the photo couldn't have been worse either, *directly* above the Pulse Club logo... 😬

I went in full m81 with my deer nub, I kinda worry that I cant do my silly furry larps anymore

YO THAT'S MY BOY CALVIN WHO'S DRESSED UP AS VELMA, DAPHNIE, AND FRED!!!

@calzonecalvin3586

Ай бұрын

Omg hehehe HI star! :D

This is quite a good and fair standpoint. I agree with you, but something I can't bring myself to understand -maybe because in latinamerica it doesn't happen this much- is how naturalised sexual behaviour is. By no mean do we have the firearm issue the states have, and because of that, maybe it explains why it is odd for us to see how a prop gun could be "controversial"; but still, by reading the news and the annual shootings your country has, you can tell there's a problem. I keep my point, however, in that sexually inappropriate demeanour should be addressed more thoroughly. Good video Beta!

I don’t necessarily blame the guy, but also it’s so understandable that people don’t want to see weapons, fake or not, in public. There have been many public “incidents” with weapons, and it’s much more fun to just not bring something that might make people uncomfortable or confused.

in a fursuit, there's no way i'd have been able to see that orange tip. if i saw someone pointing what looks like a gun at a crowd of furries, a very marginalized and targeted group of people in many different ways, especially if i was in that crowd and especially in america, i'd go into genuine panic.

Here is what I am confused about... How does a con have a way to clear any weapon if weapons are not allowed period? Or is it one specific place that isnt allowed to have weapons? There should not be a way to check and clear a weapon to be carried in a con if you arn't allowed to have one in the first place. I have never been to a con so I dont know. Please help me clear this up.

I wanna see more of these cosplayers acting as characters coexisting with furries. someday i can go to a con and see one! :3

because i dont have a furrsuite and the Next EF will be Cyberpunk themed i wona go as David Martinez, and kinda want to take a "Skippy" replica with me. now the issue is it clearly fits to the cosplay and its a prop, cyberpunk themed and stuff but i am to scared to actually do it. because the line of it is not that clear.

Everyone's always offended at everything on Twitter so it doesn't surprise me at all

i get anxious with pup masks, but who cares

@spyresoblazx

Ай бұрын

Huh? How is that relevant to the video?

@TheStarSquid

Ай бұрын

@@spyresoblazx openly wearing bdsm/fetish gear in public is fine, but people draw the line on toy guns.

@Starkitty11

Ай бұрын

​@@TheStarSquidwhat does bdsm mean?

@BfoxB

Ай бұрын

@@Starkitty11it’s an acronym for some kind of sexual activity I s’pose

@funnyfeline

18 күн бұрын

because mass shootings are famously done with pup masks of course

No one knows how to have fun anymore

i get the argument but this is why all TOY GUNS have orange tips or orange parts

I hate how this is what’s blowing up instead of the actual incidents like the stealing or someone losing a finger etc

Crazy how firearms at cons are now a controversial issue within the furry community, because historically speaking, gun nerds/otakus were pretty prevalent in both the furry anime fandoms

@TheStarSquid

Ай бұрын

they clearly have no place in the fandom

Well this is certainly a headline I never thought I would read, maybe ever lol

Yeah having a gun either real or not anywhere in public can get anyone pretty anxious

@fintherebel5000

Ай бұрын

Depends on the state some people are used to seeing guns i grew up around them and i don't really care if i see someone carrying one around unless they are being dumb like those people with switch glocks on youtube shorts then yeah there is a problem and i also understand there should be a bright orange tip on props a friend of mine used to carry around a E-11 storm trooper blaster as part of his fursuit props (his fursona is a protogen rebel) but someone still complained about him despite having it cleared and having a orange tip on it people complain just to complain especially when someone is having fun or doing something they don't politically agree with

@Silkyfur

Ай бұрын

@@fintherebel5000 A con the size of FWA is likely to have many attendees from all over the world. I wasn't able to attend, but I know many Europeans who were at FWA. It has more to do with the culture that you have grown up with, rather than "political agreements". Someone potentially having a gun at a convention is a serious issue.

@fintherebel5000

Ай бұрын

@@Silkyfur I mean yeah culture differences can be a bit of an issue when someone that isn't use to the sight of such things they can be a bit jumpy around it, And i understand that some people aren't used to it but the U.S is a country known for gun ownership to the point it is made fun of cause of it, I also believe that if someone has a prop gun that goes alongside there cosplay/fursuit it should have to be marked in 3 different areas with orange tape or a label that says "Approved prop" on it that can can be put on it by the staff for a small fee.