I'm a native okinawan and we eat a lot of pork beef and seafood and we cook mainly with lard and butter but we also eat goya hijiki spirulina misou tofu and lots of green tea. Were definately not 80-90% plant based as the false narrative claims. I personally eat lamb meat steaks ghee bacon fat and fish every day and feel great and my great grandparents eat a lot of stewed pork and fish

@katherinefiori

9 ай бұрын

So how much are your grandparents plant based? Maybe 20% and the rest is animal products? :) I'm super curious :) thank youu

@tsubakifujihara7852

9 ай бұрын

I would say there like 30-35% plant based and the rest is high quality meats and seafood

@sue2611

9 ай бұрын

@@tsubakifujihara7852How old are your great-grandparents?

@johnow7

9 ай бұрын

The Okinawa blue zone claims are perhaps the most frustrating. I try to tell people what your comment has stated and they insist on believing wild stuff like your people only eat 3g of meat a day.

@tsubakifujihara7852

9 ай бұрын

Great grandma is 98 and great grandpa is 101

I think the Blue Zones have a few important things in common that encourage longevity: less stress, less processed food, and the elderly are valued. Keep the great interviews coming, Dr. C!

@williambelmont9601

9 ай бұрын

Strong community (as an extension to the elderly point) is one of the keys to their health and success. And a meat based diet is always the case, not always pure carnivory, but always meat based with a few plant-based items here and there when meat is scarce or for flavour.

@marlenegold280

9 ай бұрын

And seniors don’t retire; they are an active useful member of the extended family… not (locked away) in a seniors lodge with processed food products.

@georgeargyropoulos5664

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. Perfectly stated.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Definitely all very important!

@ourtexasfamilyvideos62

9 ай бұрын

I watched a docuseries on Netflix concerning the blue zones. Community and elderly care are extremely important. However, I think that the clean additive free diet is perhaps the most important. My wife suffers from wet AMD. Many ophthalmologists have come to agree that the poison western diet is responsible the increase in AMD.

Another Okinawan here. We Okinawans eat a lot of pork, goats, and sea foods. We eat every part of pigs, liver, ears, tail, intestines, you name it. My favorite soups my grandmother used to cook for me are a miso soup made with pork tenderloin and liver and a clear soup with pig intestines in it ( yes, it sounds gross but this clear soup is the most delicious clear soup I have ever eaten). My grandmother fed me these soups frequently because I was very anemic and sickly as a child . We also love our pork belly and ribs very much. Slow cooked pork belly and ribs are so tender and they literally melt in your mouth. Different kinds of fresh Sashimi fish, octopus, squid, crabs, clams were also on our dinner table at least a couple of days a week. My grandmother and her generation knew what to eat to maintain their health, and when they became sick, they knew what vegetables/herbs to cook with to heal their bodies. I think animal proteins and fats should be the center of our diet because they maintain the healthy bones, tissues, muscles, and hormones, but when you are sick because of some disorder in your system, I think we are wise to use plants as medicine. My grandmother passed on just two months before her 100th birthday, and her siblings all lived well above 90. Her little brother passed on at the age of 103. My father side of uncle who loved pork belly passed away at the age of 106. Yes, you are what you eat in terms of physical body, but you also have to nourish your soul to be in peace which ultimately lead to overall good health. I think one of the most important factors why Okinawans live longer than Americans in general is that the Okinawan elderly feel that they are loved, respected, and needed by the younger generations.

@wmn8344

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing this ! Do you know how important is rice and sweet potatoes in the typical diet ?

@user-jk1vy8fb1b

9 ай бұрын

How important are rice and sweet potatoes in the typical diet? It depends on whom to ask. Most Japanese still believe vegetables are healthier than red meat and animal fats, so those people would say rice and sweet potatoes are very important part of their diet, and they would eat them ever day. These people do not know vegetables have toxins like oxalate that can harm them, and they don't know vitamins and minerals in vegetables have poor bio availability to human body compared to animal fats and meats. Sweet potatoes and Taro type of tubers have been primary staples for the Okinawan people until they were introduced to Japanese rice. The primary reason ordinary Okinawan people have consumed tubers is not because they preferred them over meats but because they had no choice. Okinawa's land is not suited for growing typical vegetables or rice but suited for sweet potatoes. Also, ordinary Okinawans in "recent" old days ( about several hundreds years ago) were very poor so they ate animal meats only on special occasions. The most meats were consumed by the rich back then. However, the ancient (roughly speaking about 6000 years ago or more years ago) Okinawans and the mainland Japanese have always always hunted/fished and consumed animal meats even they were surrounded by edible plants because they knew instinctively that the animal meats are more nutritious and satiating than plants. Ancient Okinawans and Japanese have always consumed meats when they were free to hunt until the time the Emperor Tenmu banned certain kinds of animal meats because of a religious reason (Buddhism was introduced to the Japanese people around that time). What people eat is influenced by what goes on in that particular time period, but one thing never changed: consuming meat has always been part of who we are. Also I wanted to note that my grandmother's generation was the adult generation who went through the horror of World War II. On top of having being chronically poor for so many decades already, my grandmother's generation has experienced the only ground battle fought in Japan during WWII. The island was totally destroyed and 1/4 of population on the Island perished including my grandfather and their two children. My grandmother said before/after war, there were hardly any food but sweet potatoes and there were many nights they went to bed without eating. Sound familiar? Yeah, they fasted a lot. I believe that the daily intermittent fasting "against their will" that restricted their calorie intake may have contributed to producing so many centenarians in her generation.

@wmn8344

9 ай бұрын

@@user-jk1vy8fb1b Thanks a lot for this much detailed answer 🙏 I absolutely agree meat is a cornerstone of a healthy diet but it is often hard to know in which proportions because as you stated and in a lot other case studies the amount is not necessarily huge for a lot of centenarians as we would imagine. How your dietary habits look like if you don't mind sharing ? Thank you very much.

So many people ask me what I think about the blue zones because of that documentary. It's just making the conversation more confusing for folks. I'm grateful for people who can explain the fallacies of the misrepresentation of facts surrounding the "blue zones," and I'm glad the rebuttals are coming swiftly.

@Soapgirl64

9 ай бұрын

Are they coming swiftly? I haven’t seen anything …

@jg5755

9 ай бұрын

@@Soapgirl64 The Blue Zones have repeatedly been debunked by the scientific community.

@dondyer99

9 ай бұрын

There is no information that has to come out… The way progressive work is spread BS about issues to promote their Vegan Bull Shit. IF YOU WANT TO EAT VEGAN… EAT VEGAN. BUT DO NOT MAKE SHIT UP. AND DO NOT MAKE ME AND PASS LAWS THAT I CANNOT EAT MEAT. THAT IS WHAT THE END RESULT IS. That is what the Blue Zone information is about. DR Schindler says over 4 millions years ago we did eat Vegetation. But 2 Million years the sharp tool was invented changed our diet that we have evolved to today. Yes speculation. When you examine the Digestive system of omnivores and look at carnivores there are very distinct difference. omnivores have a longer digestive system, has a complex stomach systems. Carnivores have a shorter digestive system very simple stomach system.. you are are entitled to your opinion.. BUT FACTS ARE FACTS.

@BigSlimyBlob

9 ай бұрын

@@Soapgirl64 I don't know about recent rebuttals, but criticism of the so-called "blue zones" theory has been around for a long time. One big part of it is that the data is unreliable. The record-keeping in those areas has been a little dubious, with some deaths taking decades to be registered, and data samples regarding those people's diets have been very small. Another part is that there are other factors involved. These people have extremely low stress and are moderately active, which may be what's actually making them longer-lived. Yet another part is that reports that the people in those zones were eating mainly plants seem to have been manufactured. In particular most of them seem to be eating pork (seriously, pork comes up a *lot* in those places) and fish very regularly, often with dairy, and many are outraged at their diets being misrepresented to suit the plant-based propagandists. But even if you don't believe that these people are big meat-eaters, it's good to keep an open mind. I recall hearing one doctor recently calling the blue zones a "Rorscharch test", with people seeing what they want to see. It's OK to say "the whole blue zones thing is doubtful" until we know for sure. But right now it's looking more and more like they eat a lot of meat. Hong Kong is another interesting place. They have the highest meat consumption per capita in the entire world, and eat lots of animal products on top. And they are not stress-free so their diet is a lot more significant a factor. So how do they do, longevity-wise? Simple enough... they have the highest life expectancy on the planet.

I've noticed that usually when people tout the Blue Zones being plant heavy on diet, they fail to ever mention Hong Kong, which currently has the longest living population on Earth. They also have the highest MEAT consumption on Earth!

@jamesherried9269

9 ай бұрын

The high meat consumption in Hong Kong is a recent phenomenon, which came into being when Hong Kong became more affluent. Most of the elderly in Hong Kong grew up on a predominantly plant-based diet. And the elderly are the ones who account for Hong Kong's high life expectancy.

@tsubakifujihara7852

9 ай бұрын

This is true but hong kong isnt a blue zone anyway, all the blue zones eat mainly meat, plants and carbs to yes but still mainly meat

@jamesherried9269

9 ай бұрын

@@tsubakifujihara7852 That's not true at all. The people in Yorba Linda, California (one of the Blue Zones) largely abstain from meat, for religious reasons.

@jamesherried9269

9 ай бұрын

The people in Hong Kong don't eat a carnivore diet. They still eat a lot of plant foods in Hong Kong. The abundance of meat in the current Hong Kong diets is a relatively recent phenomenon, which occurred as result of Hong Kong becoming more affluent. Most of the elderly in Hong Kong grew up on a largely plant-based diet. And it's those elderly who account for Hong Kong's high life expectancy. It's not the younger people (who are the ones who eat the most meat) in Hong Kong who account for that.

@tsubakifujihara7852

9 ай бұрын

It is true im a blue zone native born and raised and i know people from other blue zones

The show did show and is well reported that people in the blue zones are very active, they do their own housework, garden and do lots of walking. The other reason that contributes to longevity, are their strong social connections. I think the other reason that isn’t talked enough about is the fact that there are low levels of pollution and people aren’t spraying chemicals and pesticides on their food.

@elizabethpalumbo6516

9 ай бұрын

Agreed, it is not all diet. You could eat a great diet, but if you don't have the activity, social aspect, and as you mentioned cleaner air/water, you will not have all of the keys to long life.

@tsubakifujihara7852

9 ай бұрын

We walk a lot plus surfing swimming paddle boarding and beach volley are all popular and we take really hot baths that mimic sauna use and we dont over eat

@shun2240

9 ай бұрын

@@elizabethpalumbo6516 it's the least you can do, people just can't live perfect lives sometimes. I reckon diet plays the most important part in all of these, a crappy diet won't help you even if you meet all the above points, but an optimal diet may help you survive longer in suboptimal environment and social life

@cornstar1253

9 ай бұрын

​@@shun2240genetics are #1.

@paulasmith4933

7 ай бұрын

❤

Just as little as 150 years ago, Hungary was the greatest cattle and pork producing country in Europe. The Great Plains were transformed for pasture, so for centuries they raised grey cattle (best meat ever) and the forests ( i.e. Bakony, where the word 'bacon' comes from) were home to the best pork. They raised on average 750 000 cattle yearly, 150,000 of that were physically herded into other (mostly Western European) markets for slaughter (no frozen meat). The 2 'world' wars ended this life. Hungary has been robbed of 2/3 of it's land, and their great agriculture that literally was feeding most of Europe with high quality meats was destroyed by the communists.

@littleone31917

9 ай бұрын

So sad!

@solac388

9 ай бұрын

Wow. Unreal. The world was very different back then

@solac388

9 ай бұрын

Hence why people are hungry they think of Hungary

@destinicoach888

9 ай бұрын

@@solac388 That reflects serious retardation in you. LOL. Our HUN ancestors were the ones Dr. Chaffee speaks so often about: the Huns populated the entire Eurasian continent. Even the Japanese, Koreans, Mongols, Uighurs, etc. call them their ancestors. The first Chinese emperor was a Hun. Out of the 47 Chinese ethnic groups more than half have Hun ancestry. They are very proud of it. (Our ancient history has been distorted since the 19th century with the invention of the "indo-european" garbage theory in order to cover up the true ancestry of white people all over Europe and Asia). Have you heard the word: 'Caucasian' ? Well, white Caucasians were mostly Scythian/Huns that expanded from the Caucasus and Central Europe to East and West. Their main diet was, you guessed it: pasture raised cattle and were excellent horseman. The Greek word Scythian literally means horsemen/bowmen. If you do not believe me, research it yourself!

@petermadany2779

8 ай бұрын

@@solac388 but when they're in Greece, don't they cook in olive oil instead of grease?

Another big thing is , just as with the Greeks as Mary Ruddick describes is the fact that Meat as of red meat is only cow meat. It’s very important to ask what meats .. how often do you eat lamb, goat, or sheep should be the question. All European Latin countries all the ways to Greece are very heavy in pork sheep and goat. As a Portuguese I can attest the same.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Very good point

@MarmaladeINFP

9 ай бұрын

Ruddick talks about how the researchers asked Ikarians about red meat, but in their language the word for red meat only refers to beef. They can't raise cows on the rocky island and so they stated they didn't eat much red meat. What was missed in translation is that goat, sheep, and lamb are also red meat, in the scientific sense. So, they actually do eat a lot of read meat. It's one of the staples of their diet. She also mentioned that these other researchers apparently rarely, if ever, ask what fats or oils these healthy people are using to cook their foods in. When she has inquired or simply observed, it's typically animal fats with lard and butter / ghee being common. Both Okinawans and Ikarians certainly love lard. They also add animal fats, whether or not cooking in them, such as cream-based sauces. This and other info is available, also sourced, in the article "Blue Zones Dietary Myth."

@YVM3311

9 ай бұрын

@@MarmaladeINFP thanks for the note on the article ! I’ll Look it up !

@an.20.24

6 күн бұрын

Back then, nobody was big on anything. One thing to keep in mind is that, basically all over the world, but I can speak for my land (Sardinia, another blue zone), a guy who was born 100 years ago, didn't have much to eat. Expecially they couldn't afford to eat meat, pork etc everyday...

Has Dr. Schindler visited the Alaska natives? I grew up in the Interior of Alaska, and one of our special treats was what we called 'Indian candy' -- smoked salmon. (Dry-smoked, no resemblance to the wet slimy stuff sold in grocery stores.) There are still quite a few Alaska native communities that still eat traditional foods.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

He hasn't told me of that in any case! I'm sure he would be very interested. I would love to go there and see that for myself as well!

@solac388

9 ай бұрын

@@anthonychaffeemd in Finnmark, the most northern region of Norway - most Norwegian Sami hail from Finnmark - there are insane amounts of salmon going up all the rivers, and the Sami love salmon. The season ended about a month ago and it was incredible! Nobody will be complaining about being hungry this winter, so much smoked and frozen salmon going around. I reckon it's similar to what happen in Alaska

@hugoanderkivi

2 ай бұрын

​@@solac388Incredible. Wild salmon!

i live in italy and i can say that sure italians eat lots of plants, but they also eat lots of meat. traditionally in Sardigna pork and cheese and fish.

Haha BIll just talked for 40 mins nonstop basically. So many interesting experiences from him. The main quote that stuck out to me is that the Sardinian folks said they eat meat once a week but they actually meant they have the big spit roast feast once a week, they still eat meat on a daily basis.

My wife is Japanese and when she talks about Okinawan cuisine (RyuKyu ryori) the first thing she mentions is fatty pork.

I'm from Villagrande Sardinia I can confirm we eat a ton of meat and cheese and also organ meat.

Thank you for this video. I recently watched the documentary on Netflix dealing with longevity in the ‘Blue Zones’ and was surprised by the vegan/vegetarian bias as presented. After the presentation of the Adventists in Loma Linda California I really suspected we are not being given the whole picture.

@amyk316___

9 ай бұрын

Yes I totally agree

@David-R.

9 ай бұрын

You're an intelligent person.

@nanetteinusa6800

9 ай бұрын

The Adventists were told years ago to be vegetarian. Because the Leaders discovered that eating meat raised testosterone and they were having trouble controlling their male population. So they told everyone to eat vegetarian and cut ALL meat out and the men started behaving themselves. Instead of preaching self control, they took their nutrition away from them.

@holleholtz9185

6 ай бұрын

If the men live longer because they are shepherds wouldn't it make sense that they eat a lot of meat & dairy? The only plants they eat are the ones they grow themselves, In season..

@pobrien864

6 ай бұрын

@@holleholtz9185 yes you are exactly right. The Blue Zones documentary on Netflix completely glossed over that and chose to emphasize the vegetarian aspects of their diets. I have since seen another documentary by a scientist who visited Sardinia and clarified when asked about their meat consumption what they meant was one day a week they would roast a whole sheep and the whole family group would eat nothing but meat on that day, but this certainly did not preclude the addition of meat and other animal products during the other days of a typical week.

There was literally a bloody leg of an animal on the table when they where talking about the people in Sardinia that the camera quickly pans over, at the same time the narrator was saying how they where plant based. The 100 year old cowboy in South America.....what where they rustling those cattle for, just to keep them as pets I assume!? What where all the sheep for in Sardinia..

@itzakpoelzig330

9 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@GJCcontent

9 ай бұрын

I'm trying to find that. Gotta show my vegan partner

@edw9623

9 ай бұрын

@@GJCcontent S1:E3 around the 25:00 min mark it looks like a cured leg sitting centre table probably pork.

@edw9623

9 ай бұрын

While the guy is playing the bagpipe type instrument made from goat skin.... probably died from natural causes!

@sportysbusiness

9 ай бұрын

@@jeovanniperez3949 My gran smokes 2 packs a day and yet knows smoking is killing her. So your point is?

What nobody tells you in the bluezones discussions is the heavy consumption of pork meat! Especially here in Greece pork is probably the most consumed and then also of course tons of mutton, goat, lamb together with sea foods and cheeses. For sure not 90-100% plant based as Dan Buettner claimed on a reccent podcast haha

@tsubakifujihara7852

9 ай бұрын

Same here in okinawa pork and lamb is huge

@pascalsimonskoufos8066

9 ай бұрын

@@tsubakifujihara7852 haha yes saw your comment! ❤️🐷🐷🐷

@Cenot4ph

9 ай бұрын

It's all these Adventists with their fake news vegan is so healthy and its what they eat in the blue zones 😂

@johncraig1094

7 ай бұрын

The Blue Zones are only small sections in these areas. To say Greece is a Blue Zone is saying that California is a Blue Zone because of Lona Linda. Look at all the plant based doctors living and thriving into their 90’s and still going strong. You can count the meat guys on one hand.

@pascalsimonskoufos8066

7 ай бұрын

@@johncraig1094 the same applies for Ikaria though they are far from being vegan, they are eating fish, pork, cheeses, lamb, goat etc you don’t have to take my word for it. Go there and find out yourself.

I am glad Drs. Chaffee and Schindler had the guts to present such an offally good episode.

@ajs3994

9 ай бұрын

tee hee

@flutingaround

9 ай бұрын

😂

@keithwhitlock726

8 ай бұрын

Lost my appetite listening to Bill. And I'm a carnivore.

@petermadany2779

8 ай бұрын

@@keithwhitlock726 Are you referring to the maggot-cheese? Yeah I don't plan on ever having that.

@Butterflies-are-free

6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

I am convinced walking up and down hills, mountains, stairs, is one of the important factors. Thank you, both. So interesting.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

I would definitely agree. And thank you!

@petermadany2779

8 ай бұрын

Good point. I am surprised M C Escher didn't live longer, considering he was always walking up stairs.

@a-terrible-fate532

6 ай бұрын

it is for sure.

REALLY REALLY REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PODCAST. THANK YOU SO MUCH DR CHAFFEE.

I've recently noticed that several relatively young athletes are experiencing season ending injuries. When Aaron Rodgers was injured, I googled his diet. According to google, he's almost vegan, with lean chicken and beef on occasion. People are being convinced that meat is bad and fat is worse. It makes me sick.

@tsubakifujihara7852

9 ай бұрын

Veganism makes your body brittle

@dicaeopolis8522

9 ай бұрын

Achilles rupture is a very common injury and I know people it has happened to that are very far from vegan. Did you also look up the other athletes you mention? I have done a rough sport for many years and have witnessed a lot of meat eating people with injuries. I am not a vegan, just saying I don't think that is the cause.

@84Mazzy

9 ай бұрын

You cant be almost vegan and still consume meat. Nice try though.

@keithwhitlock726

8 ай бұрын

Lots of athletes from the Game Changers pro-vegan documentary are experiencing serious injuries and diminished strength, energy., and health.

Great job Dr. Chaffee, the first interview you posted with Dr. Bill Schindler was so interesting and informative but this one blew my mind!!! I enjoyed every minute and was on the edge of my seat waiting to hear what he had to say next. By the way Native Americans also made acorn flour and bread. It is both heart breaking and frustrating to know how information can be cherry picked and some times out right lied about to suit certian agends. I can't wait to visit my cousins in Sardiniain the near future.

I think them taking a film crew in is a very good idea! Document and show the truth with Blue zones!

@Soapgirl64

9 ай бұрын

The documentary had a film crew.

@JennifertxCarnivore

9 ай бұрын

@@ozzieabroad and that’s fine! It’s worth the effort! The world has become too lazy! Do the work and expose the truth!

Surely enjoy this discussion. Thinking about my own introduction to vegetarianism, the blue zone concept was a major reason why. Grateful for resources like Dr. Chaffee, Dr. Baker, Dr. Saldino, Dr. Berry, Dr. Huberman, Dr. Attia, Jordan Peterson, Coach Brunson, Dr. Lyon, & many others who are shedding light on all the research that would've never reached the masses. God bless you all!!!

@Szilvia_Szilvia

9 ай бұрын

Sorry to break it to you: Peter Attia is wrong on more things than not...

@katherinefiori

9 ай бұрын

Well... Dr. Attia keeps promoting plant based though...

@djj3357

9 ай бұрын

True that . Dr. Lyon and Dr. Hubermann aren't strictly carnivore as well. However, they have good experience in terms of quality of life through diet and exercise. Two components that I value immensely. Knowledge is power. Dr. Chaffee and coach Brunson are most helpful for my journey!

@tezk8470

7 ай бұрын

​@@katherinefiori no he doesn't at all. Pretty loose comment!

@katherinefiori

7 ай бұрын

@@tezk8470 Hi there! 🙏 YES YOU'RE RIGHT! Firstly I've seen some podcast with him where he talked about how plant protein and animal protein are same and it doesn't matter whether you get protein from animals or plants. It seemed like he was a fan of plant protein based on what he talked about. That s why I wrote this comment. But then weeks later I saw other interviews where he was talking about what he personally eats and it was a lot of eggs for breakfast plus venison :) You're right 💗

20:50 Wow, I'm so glad he told that story, because honestly the first invention of cheese is something I've been curious about for years. Turns out we didn't invent it, we just FOUND it inside a baby animal.

@_Solaris

9 ай бұрын

That could very well be.

@janeslater8004

9 ай бұрын

Omg

@YeshuaKingMessiah

9 ай бұрын

And it was DELICIOUS

@keithwhitlock726

8 ай бұрын

Maggot feces! Yummy! Mister Schindler loves to talk about the most disgusting animal products in the world a little too much to me.

I really enjoyed this interview, thank you both!

I want to thank both of you. I enjoy your content and you are much appreciated.

Another great video, good to hear the truth being shared. Thanks

Would LOVE to see similar up close and personal experiences of other "blue zones", too!! It is amazing how different the actual experience is from the "stories" that get told.

@tsubakifujihara7852

9 ай бұрын

Im from okinawa and the stories are definately wrong, not sure about the other blue zones but where im from its like 70% carnivore 30% plants

@StanDupp6371

9 ай бұрын

Santa Claus was a storyteller.

Can’t wait!!

Thank you, gentlemen. Your work in spreading knowledge about how to eat like a human is incredibly valuable and appreciated.

It is completely authentic in my opinion. The way he told his stories - you cannot make that up.

You're doing great work Dr Chaffee. It's fantastic listening to these speakers about their actual first hand experiences. I had been under the impression like everyone regarding these blue zones that it was primarily plant based. But to hear Bill speak about the sheer quantity and variety of meat the sardinian people eat and the various ways they eat it really shines a light on the situation. Thank you both for putting things straight.

I’ve loved everything about this! Brilliant information. Thank you, both of you. My son was sprouting false information about the blue zone diet just yesterday… awesome synchronicity. Guess who’s getting this video! 🙏 People are calling me crazy every day but my body & blooming health is proof. I’m 55 on Thursday & intend to feel like a 30 year old, or less. I’d eat the Roman intestines, but lost me on maggot poop cheese! 🤣

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Haha the maggot cheese was intense! You should see his video of him and his wife eating it on Instagram! And that's great that your son will be getting this video! I hope he finds it interesting.

Acorn bread was once a prehistoric bread in UK i remember watching ray mears doing it on a fire many years ago. Loved the interview ❤

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Very cool!

Great interview, count me in for the next trip to Sardinia!

I am 71yrs young everyone says how young l look my skin, my stamina etc. I have researched the origins of food and seen a dramatic change in the last 50yrs. I live in Australia and eat indigenous food such as kangaroo meat most days plus organic vegitables all the time in small quantaties. I consume 3yr fermented parma cheese from non fermented milk imported from italy 🇮🇹 . I also use a small good quality pressure cooker to cook vegetables thereby neutralising any plant toxins. I drink local fermented Kampuchea.......So bottom line l eat living food and have not visited a doctor in 15yrs.

@YeshuaKingMessiah

9 ай бұрын

Pressure cooking doesn’t neutralize plant toxins It may slightly affect oxalate level, that’s it It also messes with protein structure in foods. Not good.

@wmn8344

9 ай бұрын

What your average carb intake look like ? Any grains to the menu ? Thansk.

Very interesting interview. Thank you so much.

cheers for the interview

I'm always here for a Bill Schindler interview!

Not sure that any of us are aiming for longevity really more optimum health, no depression or illness - whether I live to 85 or 95 is not an issue - it’s quality of health

I'm ready for this

Taking tissue from a nursing animal's digestive tract is how all (real) cheese is made. The milk is curdled with rennet, a substance taken from the stomach of baby ruminants. So we've kind of all had calf intestine cheese.

Fascinating. Looking forward to learning more about the Sami.

Okinawans love pork, almost all blue zones love pork.

@tsubakifujihara7852

9 ай бұрын

Can confirm this as true and seafood

Thank you so much for this real Blue zone info. Hope to see his visit to the Sami.

@williambelmont9601

9 ай бұрын

As a Finnish-blooded person, I can say that the Sami - in their extremely frozen eco-system - will rely heavily on meat!

This is one of the most amazing videos I have seen in a long time. Oh my goodness - incredible how people eat around the world

Just read the book. Fascinating! Makes total sense!

I'm here!!! Straight outta MICHIGAN! Hello everyone! ❤

THAT WAS FANTASTIC ‼️‼️ 😋

Interesting talk and experience .Thanks

This would most definitely make an amazing documentary!

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

It would, call it The REAL Blue Zones!

@katherinefiori

9 ай бұрын

@@anthonychaffeemd ahah yes pleaaasee 🙏 that would be truly amazing 🙏😊

The blue zones are an absolute fantasy, in the style of Shangri-La, Wakanda or Shambhala. The famous Mediterranean diet is yet another fantasy, idealised by those who do not live in the Mediterranean and have an appalling diet. In the different areas of the Mediterranean there are thousands of different diets with very different components, styles and foods that in many cases have nothing to do with each other, even a few kilometres apart. The supposed longevity records of such fantastic areas are based on poor quality population records, exaggeration and stories (these are typically Mediterranean) and, until a few decades ago, diets with few processed foods, perhaps the only thing that brings them closer to this fantastic ideal of longevity. I am an anthropologist and I have lived in the Mediterranean all my life and the only thing that interests me about this issue is how the idea of fabulous places that do not exist keeps creeping into people's minds, even those of some anthropologists.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for that! I completely agree

@StanDupp6371

9 ай бұрын

The grass is greener.

@antoleonsan

9 ай бұрын

Thanks to you for the good information you publish and spread. I remember the shock I got from your presentation "Plants are trying to kill you" and how my reaction to the data provided made me continue researching and experimenting to adopt new and better habits, from a LCHF diet to more carnivorous positions (including fish and seafood, I am mediterranean after all). Thanks also to Professor Schindler with whom I share studies and interests. Just because I don't share a belief in blue zones doesn't mean I don't appreciate his work and approach - as well as his enthusiasm - so sincere thanks to both of you. As economist and anthropologist my preferred field of study is to understand how the relationships between available environmental resources and existing technology in a given society determines its mode of production and how the culture - and diet as a fundamental part of culture - of that society is conditioned and explained by that mode of production. What we eat, our diet as accumulation of knowledge and experiences, is at the basis of the culture of a society and is capable of explaining it. The technological evolution and therefore its mode of production is also the diet and cultural evolution of a human group and shows in each case that what we eat not only constructs us biologically but also socially and culturally. @@anthonychaffeemd

@keylanoslokj1806

8 ай бұрын

You aren't presenting a scientific position. Yes Mediterranean diets can even differ to the next village or island a few kilometres away. But still their bulk usually comes from pork, sheep, fish, seafood, seasonal fruits, salads, olives and legumes. If you don't recognise that,.you are just on a mission to degrade the actual observations of science to push your own niche narrative agenda.

Dr. Chaffee, I see you actually read comments :). I loved this interview because it describes concrete examples of people's everyday life. I would really love to learn about old school conservation techniques for meat, since I live in a very hot and humid climate and we have regular power outage.

I love listening to Bill. He captures my attention and I appreciate his passion. Thank you.

This is fascinating stuff. I am looking forward to seeing the final study results for the LMHR study currently being conducted by Dave Feldman. The preliminary results are impressive.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Word on the street is that the results are quite good, and they are getting ready to publish them as well speak

!!!!!!!!! Awesome, thank you!

Dude, I'm stickin' with ribeye. No maggots. Ain't starving yet.

Before pots and pans, knives and forks, there was fire, but you would not be cooking plants on fire it would be mostly meat. I am so happy to be pain-free and even reversing my retinitis pigmentosa eyesight. So much better now. Thank you

@joshbanks5779

9 ай бұрын

More than a 100 millennia ago humans been roasting tubers 😆😆

@kamaliancirranoush1916

9 ай бұрын

@@joshbanks5779yes, cooked starch is what expanded our brains.

@stargazerbird

9 ай бұрын

I’ve seen tribal people putting greens inside the flesh when it cooks.

@EyesOnCarnivore

9 ай бұрын

@@stargazerbird that is a modern tribe if you’re seen, it yourself. Think back, thousands of years ago, then think back 100,000 years ago, then think back a few million years ago when our species was not cooking plants on a regular basis. Imo

Chaffee. Constructive criticism here you might consider moving the video to full screen to the interviewee from time to time. Just think it would make your videos look way better

Thanks for letting us know what some of the "real" Blue Zones are really like. Great info.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

No problem!

Awesome interview!

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

@christapovec

9 ай бұрын

@@anthonychaffeemd My husband overheard the maggot cheese story and warned me NOT to make such a thing at home. Great info nonetheless

Very interesting… Hi Doc 😊I just had a thought, probably an old one for you, but just in case. That being that plants (specifically carbs) being generally toxic in multiple ways, the insulin response is not so much a digestive mechanism, but rather a body safety mechanism - (I’m not a doctor by any stretch) but liken it to (my understanding) of how the white blood cells mobilize to fight an infection. The system does a monumentous job fighting for decades, but eventually overwhelmed and overworked by wave upon wave of assaults it looses its punch. Anyway, thanks again for all your help and efforts ❤

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Yes I completely agree! I think raising insulin is a defensive mechanism to protect against high blood sugar

@mikafoxx2717

6 ай бұрын

If you think about it, cortisol, adrenaline, etc is supposed to raise blood sugar for periods of high activity, and insulin is raised to shuttle that blood sugar into the (muscle) cells faster to keep the blood level consistent. Problem is we're hijacking that process by shoving extra parts onto that conveyor belt without need for and so everything needs to be sped up to try to force the process into cells that don't need anything, so they make visceral and intramuscular fat and all that. Pretty sure gaining weight by fat consumption doesn't do that nearly so much, and instead mostly goes to subcutaneous reserves.

Great interview. Would love to go on that trip if / when it occurs. The foods are processed with natural ways. Would love to know how many of the blue zones use naturally anchient produced sea salt with all the minerals still in them.

Awesome interview! I would try that cheese also at least once...

Someone should actually go to these five Blue Zones places and make an UNBIASED documentary about how it really works there. All of these documentaries about the Blue Zones are driving me crazy 😄🤦‍♀️ I haven't even finished watching the last one on Netflix... I was like wtf... somebody does actually believe this? 🙄🤦‍♀️

@katherinefiori

9 ай бұрын

@@ozzieabroad yes 💯

We need more people in the carnivore community in political positions, lawyers, judges to bring science based nutritional guidelines to the public! The food pyramid and heavy plant based diets need to be reported to the public as a religious 7th Day Adventists Christian ideology so they know the truth. From there let human kind know about carnivore and them know how carnivore heals! People need to know! They need to watch Belinda Fattke on all this mess.

@naturalprinciples8520

9 ай бұрын

Carnivore diet is not the truth, it causes so many tons of problems and will be something many regret. It lacks balance and goes against hundreds of studies, including blue zone studies. We're omnivores, with our genes and gut bacteria really influencing what our bodies like and don't.

@itzakpoelzig330

9 ай бұрын

Yes, I'm super curious about how the Seventh Day Adventists got powerful enough to set the eating plan for the nation? They're a pretty small and minor sect, as far as I can tell Also, how did Ancel Keys get so much power that he could change how we all eat for decades after his own death? If those people could leverage their influence so successfully, then surely carnivores can do it too. One of the people I think is doing this in a key position of influence is Dr. Georgia Ede, because she worked directly with so many students. She alone must have converted thousands of young vegans, who will hopefully go on to spread the message to their families and friends.

@jg5755

9 ай бұрын

@@naturalprinciples8520 All those studies mean absolutely nothing, prove absolutely nothing.

@stephenthompson4952

9 ай бұрын

I'm afraid , the "powers" that be will never allow this to happen. But I wholeheartedly agree with you.

@Szilvia_Szilvia

9 ай бұрын

It doesn't work that way. None of those positions can ever change anything. (..and honestly, would you follow a vegan diet, just 'cos someone you haven't even heard of said so? Of course not!) The only way truth prevails is through the bottom-up approach. Make sure your nutrition is so much on the point, and you take care of yourself in all other ways, that health & well-being becomes your brand. Make 💯 sure your children know the why and value their health enough to follow the same as well. Then, should anybody make a related comment like "how come you're never sick" or "wow, you look so good & healthy, I thought you were much younger" etc., then start a conversation. NOT a lecture, a conversation! Different people will be more or less open to that conversation, but never dismiss the idea of at least "planting a seed" even in the most tough cases. The more conversations you start, the better you'll be at gauging and knowing where not to push the intellectual and emotional boundaries of that person further. Eventually, we also stand for freedom of choice, and so if someone decides against this nutritional protocol although being presented the facts, it's on them. At some point, that's how critical mass is achieved. Anyways, we also know that carnivores have a huge potential to outlive others. So even if you do the basics with yourself & your kids, there comes point where minority turns to majority.

I'm wondering if these families have grounds to sue these "documentarians" and authors for misrepresentation.

@nightskyabc

9 ай бұрын

What misrepresentation?

Oh my goodness. Maggot poop. Who is worried about bee vomit? Dr. Schindler is so graphic and excited I am glad he likes people. I know someone who has had a goat farm and I cannot wait to ask him what they did with their goats! I would love if he filmed his trips. This was fun. TY

Love Bill! His book is great!

Where is Anthony Bourdain when you need him (to do a televised tasting of maggot cheese)?

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Haha, right?

I have long believed that lifestyle can reduce stress and combined with the right diet will increase health.

Very good, thank You! Greek island, Icaria, is also very interesting. Very old people, they eat mainly also meat😊.

Amazing! 👏👏👏

@dsonyay 0 seconds ago I grew up in a very rural area in south Louisiana.. we usually killed a very young pig, lamb, calf , or goat for special occasions.. and ate nearly everything.

Aside from the in depth, fascinating knowledge from Dr. Schindler (loved his fits interviews with Dr. Chaffee), my favorite parts of y4hese are Dr. Chaffee's faces when Dr. Schindler starts talking about some of the dishes he's tried ... Like offal cheese. 😂

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Haha, some of those were full on! I would try them though, because you sort of have to

In Argentina it is tradition to barbecue small intestine including the milk content. It's called "chinchulin". The small intestine is plated and cooked on the grill.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Sounds great!

@lorrainestokes336

9 ай бұрын

intestines? it's also called chitlins😂

My wife and I recently visited Chestertown, MD and walking around the town happened to see something called the Eastern Shore Food Lab and wondered what the hell was that. It was closed at the time so didn't go in. Now I know...

Awesome!

Interesting information.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

That was really well done!

Could you do a video about blood pressure and what's your take on it? That would be awesome!

Wonderful interview 😅 ill have to go visit his restaurant only 2 states away 😊

How can ANYONE mention Sardinia, and NOT talk about SARDINES????? Omega 3 heaven!

The one place that seems to be the biggest outlier is Loma Linda. They definitely were vegetarian/vegan/plant based. However, now a days that is not the case. Community, working outside, sun, social, and religious.

@StanDupp6371

9 ай бұрын

They were never vegan or plant based else Dr. Ellsworth Wareham would never have made such a fortune doing so many open heart surgeries.

That offal kebab which Dr Bill described is called kokoretsi in Greek. I had it numerous times near the town of Marathon outside of Athens. Delish!!!

I have his audio book. Very interesting and informative

Wow.. I would definitely try the maggot-poop-cheese..! What a great experience you had on Sardinia. Question: did you, Dr Bill Schindler, also crunch on some of the maggots? Are they not also very healthy and nourishing?

Loved the interview, great information ❤ Maggot poop cheese...almost as funny as eating Iguanas LMAO!!

Folks in Kyrgyzstan ferment horse milk in some special leather vessels. They also make some kind of cheese, called curut. It’s hard and has long shelf life. Nomadic stuff.

Crazy fun story.

That was a very interesting interview. Thank you both!

I love Italy. I wanna see Sardinia. That’s gonna be my next one.

Dr. Chaffee have you heard of Sally K Norton? She published a book early this year on oxalates and has a personal story in regards, she has a website and many interviews on youtube. She is a great person to interview and her knowledge would be an added value to people who are going carnivore to avoid the pitfalls of removing oxalates from the body too fast, which can lead to serious consequences. She is a wealth of knowledge and the science behind it.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely! Sally is great. I've actually interviewed her for my channel as well

All the details about maggot cheese or intestinal cheese or animal preparations and roasting have made me feel a bit nauseous, and I’m a carnivore…lol…but I admire his enthusiasm and would love to visit Sardinia and experience all these amazing culinary adventures

@T-aka-T

8 ай бұрын

My father told me his father loved the "cheese hoppers" that came out of cheese when it was cut open. A delicacy. These cheese hoppers were clearly the mature fly stage rather than maggots. You had to work at catching them. The cheese was fully ripe I guess. 😂

@ellabender1808

8 ай бұрын

@@T-aka-T damn😂

@T-aka-T

8 ай бұрын

@@ellabender1808 I guess it keeps old men active when they have to chase their cheese. 🤔 (southern English heritage, educated, so clearly a culturally acquired taste, not rural arcane knowledge). Never knew the grandfather. Perhaps just as well. 😂

I would like to see an actual live film of these BBQs and daily meals of meats! I have seen for myself the manipulation that so called journalists do to present their views. It is the same for many so called scientists too. Presumptions made and then they only view through the lense of what they want to believe. I love hearing about your trip. I've always been facinated with ancestral cooking, and the ancient ways of preparing foods to make it digestable to humans!

Dr.S, You should offer to take Dr. Willet with you to Sardinia!

@StanDupp6371

9 ай бұрын

Dr. Walter Willett admitted in the 1980's he told his patients to consume shortening and margarine since it had no animal fat or cholesterol. He forgot to tell them those were loaded with trans fats that cause heart disease.

Dr C you are courageous eating the maggotts :), great interview thanks.

@anthonychaffeemd

9 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! Haha yeah, I wouldn't exactly look forward to trying it anyway!

@anneventura1230

9 ай бұрын

😂@@anthonychaffeemd

If you travel to Mexico, especific to Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, what you discribe how they cook the goat, we do exactly the same, is a famour local dish... named, Cabrito, the name for the internal organs is Machito... or you can order the head by her self...

This intro a lot like Huberman’s. I dig it!

The honey salted carnivore bar is great.