Maybe knowing that the mic doesn’t have to have that much gain will make more people want to…pick it up. 🏁

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

OI OI OI!

@agambhasin

2 жыл бұрын

I think people still pick it up no matter what and its entirely worth it!

@allanwarsing

2 жыл бұрын

The danger of puns is not well understood.

@fatexorcist1420

2 жыл бұрын

I just love you

@consciensnesttv3775

2 жыл бұрын

@@allanwarsing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Super accurate. It seems that some youtubers are getting paid for saying you need a Cloudlifter or a Fethead even if you already have a decent interface or a hardware preamp or both and you work your audio in post. The more important part of your video is when you let everyone know the concept of HEADROOM. In fact, it doesn't matter what kind of microphone you have, -18 to -12 dB is the healthy range you should want to record always; otherwise your mixing and mastering stage will become a nightmare.

lol Bandrew referred to us as "turdlings". Amazing!

@PeterSolod0

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

Always Love you videos. You're 100% right in this, although i'm softer spoken and I have mine set at 60db, doesn't mean everyone else should. I've played around with compression threshold and make-up gain but I need 60db of gain as standard speaking for me is between -20 and -12 on a dry mic, after some compression and make up gain I never really go too above -5db at my loudest point but I could probably fine tune it a bit more. I don't know if you have a Go XLR however it would be good for you to go through some different settings and different mics either way keep up the awesome content!

I love this video and fully agree. I just recently got myself a revelator io 24 and I'm using it with less than 60DB too with a compressor/limiter engaged

@TheHalfmanofOz

2 жыл бұрын

Without the compressor on what kind of levels do you get using that much gain?

glad you did a video on this

Thank you! I never understood this, especially with streaming. I’ve owned my Shure for over 7 years now. As someone who projects their voice quite a lot, I tend to set my gain on my GoXLR input to about 47 db. As you said, if I did set my preamp to 60 dB, I would instantly clip the mic if I got even mildly excited with 60db. Unless I’m doing spoken word, 60 dB isn’t plausible. I’d be clipping before I even got started.

@A7mad.

2 жыл бұрын

is it work good with goxlr mini?

@Dwoalin

2 жыл бұрын

@@A7mad. The GoXLR and Mini provide the same amount of gain so it should work equally well for both 👍🏻

Thanks for the common sense approach to our challenges!!!

Thx for educational video Bandrew!

Pre-amps with 60db of gain are usually very QUIET preamps, which is why Shure's spec is set that high. If they say 50dB, you can find that in a wide variety of interfaces with that much gain that are noisy and will make their mic sound bad when maxed out. If you have 50db of very clean gain, then you can boost it in post just fine. As far as why they recommend 60, they don't want to be at fault for lack of operator knowledge.

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a fair point.

@TheFrenzyNetwork

2 жыл бұрын

Which preamp should I buy if I use it for rap vocals?

@A7mad.

2 жыл бұрын

which interface is good for sm7b?

@consciensnesttv3775

2 жыл бұрын

@@Podcastage2 so long story short, no need for any booster activator or anything I could just record directly from the mic? I'm only asking this because the price range for the mic alone is pretty steep.

@alvincornistamusic8754

2 жыл бұрын

@@consciensnesttv3775 the cloud lifter doesn't only increase gain, it has a higher input impedence, the higher impedence will change the frequency response and generally geared to opening up dark mics as originally intended for ribbon mics

I just got SM7B + Cloudlifter + Zoom UAC-2. Hyped!

For those people who don't have a limiter you could use something like the free version of voicemeeter as well.

Thank you so much for this information I'll be using it shortly

I agree. I always wondered what people are on about.

@aperson4051

2 жыл бұрын

Because you shouldn't be that close to the mic in the first place. That close to the mouth is not the sweet spot for vocals

@officialWWM

2 жыл бұрын

@@aperson4051 it can be, proximity effect can sound really nice with some voices.

In the KZread pool of “how to setup a mic” videos, I think too much info does not harshly distinguish the difference between: 1) setting up a mic for a recording that will receive post work (podcast/video) 2) setting up a mic for a live situation that will not receive post work (stream/voice chat) They are mostly the same. I just think it should be commonly taught to tighten your dynamic volume/range a little and push your average volume up a little, in a live situation (compared to however one would setup a non-live situation)

@joeygwood

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree with this. It doesn't matter whether it's recorded or live. You should gain stage the same way and apply compression to control dynamics and boost up the volume without clipping. OBS has a compressor in the audio filter section.

@Muteny84

2 жыл бұрын

​@@joeygwood I don't think that's a wrong approach. that's a way to do it. This is an extended dive into my original suggestion: Maybe I need to clarify that i'm speaking from the perspective of a gamer. (i think a lot of people that don't game rightfully view things differently) Most ppl that do microphone content aren't gamers and to me it seems like that leaves a little to be desired in the way they educate a person like me. A gate set to ignore 90% of keyboard and mouse sounds is also a gate that will ignore the softer sounds in our voices. A compressor/limiter set to keep the volume of our voice mostly the same to our teammates is also a compressor/limiter that will reduce how natural our voices sound. But those are great sacrifices to make while gaming with friends. Leveling your volume and not feeding background noise into everybody's ears is a great choice. My mic still sounds good. just not as great as it could sound. And opposite of that, when I am recording voice for a video, where i don't have to combat background sounds at all and my dialogue is rehearsed and there is no competing sound from other voices and game sounds/music.... it is extremely beneficial to lower my gate, gain and compression and then adjust the volume of the recording in post.

@joeygwood

2 жыл бұрын

@@Muteny84 When set right, a compressor doesn't make your voice sound unnatural, just more consistent in volume, and your noise gate shouldn't be cutting off your voice, regardless of what background noise makes its way through. I know there are mechanical keyboards that are specifically designed for gamers where the action is smoother/softer and ultimately not as loud. I still wouldn't set my preamp gain any different and don't see how setting it higher would prevent what you're talking about. I'd be happy to take a listen to one of your streams to see if I can diagnose any issues and offer more specific advice.

Really sums it up. Thanks man

As someone who once thought this, thx for clearing this up

Great video!

Hi, Thank you for the reviews. I am sorry to see what happened to your first channel. Is it possible to make video about SE8 the small diaphram condensor? From its specs, it is supposed to be a good choice for voiceover in a untreated room. It will be even more helpful if you can have a female voiceover actresss to demo what it sounds like on a female voice. Good luck.

I may be doing something wrong but side mic'd at 2-3 inches, I'm using 70-72 dB gain to hit -18 to -20 lufs. -16 if i front mic 25 dB from CL-1 clod lifter and the rest from a iD4 mki. 52 dB (.9 x 58) is not enough. Want to get a mix pre 3 plenty of gain no clod lifter needed.

Is 60db gain their recommendation for how much gain should be applied? Or how much gain (at least) a pre amp should be capable of? I would think it’s the latter as when you get towards the end (the last 10-20%, depending on the preamp) of many preamps you start to generate audible self noise. Having 60db of gain would ensure that you have enough gain available without needing to get to that last noisy part

Awesome content!!!!!

are you using the cloud lifter or similar gain booster now in this video? In what situations will the cloud lifter or similar be needed for this mic? I will do singing and voice acting in a non-treated room... People tell me is not gonna work unless you are willing to spend another 150 dollar at a cloud lifter to make this mic work! is this true? and if so why and exactly in what type if recording is the cloud lifter needed and not? thanks for such a great channel! 👍🏻😊

Nice, very informative. Could you please make a video on Behringer Ultravoice UV1 VS dbx 286s, specially for vocals recording quality which one is better. Thanks

What about doing a video about you 500 Series box of Audio Gear ?

just bought my Shure sm7b love it..... and yes it doesn't require much gain.

Hey. If it works for you like that, that's cool. But here the technical perspective: Most prosumer interfaces can add a gain of 40-50dB, some can even add 60dB. The fact, that you are able to add over 50dB doesn't mean that everybody can do that. Shooting for the perfect record level should always be the prio. The problem is: there is a popular mic, everybody buys cheap or best-value interfaces that are able push the record level by their gain amount but you also don't want the internal noise to be hearable. So you don't want to max out your Scarlett's or your Steinberg's gain because of it's own noise level. And if you max it out and add 35dB to your signal and then limit it and use some make up gain: could end in a noisey mess. That's why Shure had to communicate that customers need to buy an extra gain lifter. Fetheads, Cloudfilter, additional Preamp or an interface with 60dB. And they chose 60dB because even with 60dB and a normal speaking voice (not screaming) you will not Clip with 3 inches distance. I get your video and your idea but I feel like you are leading some people into some annoying Google searches just because it is working fine for you right now because your equipment can deliver the gain needed. Cheers and greetings from germany

@coach.b

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for adding your perspective and for doing it so intelligently and respectfully. Those are two qualities that are sadly missing these days and people seem unable to take a different view without it being insulting 🙏🏾

Yeah, the gain really depends on the application. Maybe they should say that you need up to 60db of gain for some applications. Podcasting wouldn't be one of them for the exact reason you specified... headroom. I will say that when I bought mine, my interface did not have enough gain so I ended up having to buy a preamp with 60 db of gain although I don't think I ever needed all 60. Again, it really depends on the application. I'm using it for recording vocals, so I run some compression in the effects loop routinely. Good video, Shure should update their literature.

I just saw that video from Shure. If my partner recorded her voiceovers with 60dB of gain with the mic right in front of her mouth from 2 inches away like they recommend, the pops and mouth noises would make my skin crawl. Not only that, but we'd be picking up every noise outside within a 1 mile radius.

Hi can you show a video or (link one if you already made one and I'm blind or something) of what's a good setting for sm7b + focusrite solo + cloudlifter settings for obs

When ?! When we will finally get a review of Lewitt LCT 540 S ? :D Regards and all the best for you :)

Can u give a tutorial on how to set the bass and cut on this mic?

2:49 - sounds like you experienced a cosmic bit flip (source: Veritassium) 😊

Well done I remember not understanding

the midas M32 mic amps max out at +45db of gain because the E.I.N noise factor stops improving above that so there isn't any benefit to go any higher

Hey so I’m in a situation where I already have an amp that’s pretty weak or so I’ve read (presonus usb 96) based on this video and hearing that the 96 has a max db of 35, is it a bad idea to buy a sm7b if I can only afford to keep the preamp I already have ?

All the mic preamp companies just put out a hit on Bandrew. RIP 😔

About the MV7, I find if the usb is plugged on, the XLR sounds brighter or less bottom. The USB audio interface wiring seems to interfere with the XLR output. That might be the reason in your MV7x video. You feel mv7x sounds better that mv7 on xlr. I dobaly hope hear your version of this test. Good Luck.

sorry, just to confirm, should i be aiming for -18 to -12db before i do any other extra gain in OBS, or should that be the final result after the OBS filter is applied? i’m getting between -18 and -12 but without the gain filter it still sounds pretty quiet to me. when listening to this video at max volume it sounds a lot louder than my recording at max volume.

I've seen videos stating as fact, if you get an SM7b, you have to get a special preamp to boost it; that the low output is some kind of special problem with this mic. I haven't used this mic, but I always completely disbelieved such claims. I would confidently buy this mic and expect any of my mixers or mic preamps to work fine just like with the SM57. I don't have experience with inline preamps like cloudlifter to reduce hiss. But I've just been generally skeptical about such claims for this very widely used mic.

Do a video on how to setup sm7b for a wfh teams call

there are some broadcasters use digital gain for watching "gain x db" instruction like this video, not using analog gain.

You need to take into consideration the max input level of your audio interfaces, if you have a pretty low max input you won't need as much gain to reach 0dBfs, some for exemple have a -4dBu max input and don't need more than 40dB on a 7B when a professionnal grade digital mixer will have a max input north of +20dBu, this can change the gain needed by a gigantic margin.

@samuliauno8163

2 жыл бұрын

While you're definitely correct, most people who need answers to these kinds of questions do not own an Si Performer or whatever.

@Leonidas909

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuliauno8163 The motu m2 is at +10dBu, ID14 at +12, Claretts are +18, plenty of medium range gear is fairly high max input so it's good to know. Besides people never really speak right into their 7B anyway so it gets even worse. This mic is very edge case and more often than not it's a bad idea while at the same time being the thing everybody blindly recommends. I really don't think it's desirable.

@samuliauno8163

2 жыл бұрын

@@Leonidas909 This makes me realize why a lot of reviewers recommend the Audient interfaces. Also, I wish the Motu existed when I bought my Scarlett 2i2 2ndGen, seems like a nice piece of gear. I own a Clarett 18/20 myself and have noticed the great amount of headroom. I definitely don't understand spec sheets or have recording experience to make educated comments about headroom though! Anyway, after watching a few mic reviews, I've started to feel like SM7b, while being a great mic, isn't the best choice for many people. It's good for growled vocals etc, but doesn't seem to have ideal characteristics for streamers etc.

@Leonidas909

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuliauno8163 Headroom is pretty simple, it's how many decibels above line level you get before distorsion/clipping, but on interfaces it's where the ADC will set the 0dBFs, which mean that a 0dBu rms signal on a clarret will be -18dBFs once in the computer and the same signal on a M2 will be -10dBFs. Actually recommending an ID14 is not necessarily the best for gain hungry mics as you might fall short of line level, but on the other end the preamp is very quiet in terms of noise. It's always a compromise

@samuliauno8163

2 жыл бұрын

@@Leonidas909 Thank you for the explanation! Analog headroom is simple yes, but I hadn't researched how it *actually* transfers to digital world for ADC. I'm headed to a library soon to study the basics of audio production. Learning advanced techniques feels easier to learn these days than stuff like phase etc. due to KZread. Dan Worral's videos really opened my eyes.

Wow I just canceled my order for the shure sm7b bc I was worried about the noise floor and then this video comes out. But I’m getting the rode nt2a, what you think??

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

You have to decide which one you want. If you’ve got the NT2a, more power to ya. That’s a great sounding mic.

I'm pretty sure they mean or should mean 60dB of gain, *if you have your SM7b plugged into a limiter* However many streamers tend to have 60dB with the limiter f.e. in the GoXLR, but with having their mouth almost touching the mic (like Hasanabi) and when they get loud the audio sounds bad because of too much limiting, which in case of GoXLR affects the audio tone as well

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think people do mean "you need +60dB of Gain between your preamp and post processing" because so many people state that you can't use the SM7b with the Focusrite stuff which has 55dB of gain if I'm not mistaken. They say you need an interface that has 60dB of gain or you need to buy a cloudlifter as well.

What if you throw tube preamp in front of it? I´ve seen a guy on youtube talking about putting preamp in front of your mic, his was TLM 103 he talked about loosing the background noise and it sounded much fuller and it was only the DBX 286s, and there is a guy in Czech Republic called Robdiesalot, he is using SM7B, in his treated room, through RME Fireface and some Warm Audio Tube pre and his SM7B has the best sound I´ve ever heard

💯💯💯💯

Ok so I have mine running through a dbx286 and into my interface, I do sometimes notice a little distortion in my voice. I think I'm running it a bit hot because this distortion happens even when my proximity is 3 or 4 inches.

@A7mad.

2 жыл бұрын

whats interface you using?

@poalotesta7743

2 жыл бұрын

@@A7mad. An older Native instruments komplete audio 6, pre's are ok, maybe its starting to fade but I also run a 416 shotgun through it and seems clean.

What audio interface are you using in this video?

This +50dB is after that cloudfedlifterhead thing you need to put before connecting to interface right? But how do you get equal loud output when you aim at -12dB, but one talk so quiet and another scream all the time? Or even more difficult, if they keep changing voice loudness?

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

No it is not including the cloudlifter. +50dB without that inline preamp. If someone goes from talking to screaming, set the gain for the loudest part. Once the audio is converted add the limiter and boost it up. The screaming will be attenuated a TON, but that's a lot better than distorting to shit.

Terdlings nice

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

It's like earthlings, but they watch The Deuce.

@jeopena315

2 жыл бұрын

@@Podcastage2 understandable have a nice day

How does your sm7b sound so clean? I have a sm7b with the Apollo twin x and when I turn up the gain I have a overwhelming amount of noise. I thought it was my Apollo twin so I exchanged it for another but it’s still the same. But when using it with the Rodecaster pro 2 it sounds so clean. I know that has to do with the new preamps rode are using but the sm7b feels unusable with the Apollo twin x.

@fabricator.cap.hill.seattle

9 ай бұрын

You should make a video showing the problem.

I use a fethead with my SM7B not because I need it (I know I don't) but because of the noise floor.

What software is that you were using?

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

Universal Audio Console, Logic Pro X.

@SpoonyPizzas

2 жыл бұрын

@@Podcastage2 Thanks again, much appreciated!

you said "Greetings Turdlings" and I laughed so hard that I woke up my kid.

I'm interested if a dynamic mic like sm7b could handle pro level vocals, i need to decide between a condenser and a dynamic, my room is not perfect as you can guess.. but it's really difficult for me I'm afraid of going with condenser because the reflections can be too much And i also afraid to go with sm7b cause it sound dull a bit... I'm so worried about it Help me :(

@FiByfi

6 ай бұрын

Don't know if you already purchased... SM7b works great on pro vocals. Many hit records have had lead vocs recorded with an sm7. You can take much of the dull away by removing the foam windscreen. You will need a pop filter if you do that.

Recommended gains are always based on some assumed about working distance, and for most makers it seems to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-12" for all "vocal-oriented" mics. For an SM-7b being used up close in "voice of god" mode (as it should be) there's no reason to run hotter than 50 dB. Also, I know people who might need an additional 10 dB of gain relative to an... um... "highly vocal" fellow like yourself.

DUCE! I probably should have spelled it right. This video is incredibly useful IMO, especially for new people who don't understand how bad clipping can be. Yea, and the SM7B, but mostly clipping. :)

Very well explained! People forget that software gain exists. And if you need the 60db, it's cheaper to use a Motu M2 or SSL2. Begone, Cloudlifter!!!

@Dracomies

2 жыл бұрын

Agree! The MOTU M2 and SSL2 get pretty close to no hiss with the SM7B. But imo it's because they have a higher GAIN range, very close to 60 DB.

You're speaking directly into the mic - how do you avoid the plosives? I thought you're supposed to speak across the mic - but then you'll sound quieter, right?

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

May look like I’m speaking directly into it, but it’s slightly off axis. Additionally after 6 years of practice, I have subconsciously decreased how much air I put out in short bursts saying P’s and B’s which makes it easier to avoid.

@SpoonyPizzas

2 жыл бұрын

@@Podcastage2 Thanks dude

sorry but my apollo solo can't make the SM7B sound that way with 50db. idk why.

My input level is 27 on me zoom h4n pro and speaking with ordinary… should I say ordinary? voice I hits about -15 and pretty much that magical -23 lufs… so even normalizing isnt necessary

This video is in the wrong place. It should be on your main channel as video of the week. Also when's the Bandrew vs Krause vs Curtis vs Audio Hotline microphone battle sessions start?

@seanwebb605

2 жыл бұрын

Krause wins in a rap battle. Curtis is the nice guy who would help you move. Bandrew is the microphone Wolverine that will tear out your heart if you use a USB mic in an untreated room horribly off axis and fail to wear a toque.

@Andrewc87563

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanwebb605 Bandrew is more like Thanos if he sees you talk into the end of a blue yeti.

What you are saying is that any interface (Podcaster pro for example) can run the sm7b without cloudfinger?

@eternalism8274

2 жыл бұрын

I'm skeptical that a Cloudlifter inline phantom powered mic preamp is "needed", but I don't have this mic or preamp.

SOOOOOO no cludlifter?

​ @Podcastage2 Hi, Someone just referred me to this video in a comment on my own KZread channel (to explain me how wrong I was to suggest a preamp with +60 dB of gain) I love your channel but I think this video is very misleading. As noted by other people in the comments, the point is not to say "be @ +60 dB of gain", but rather to say "with a powerful preamp, you're more likely to have enough usable clean gain for the SM7B". I think you should clarify that somehow :)

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

I don't agree that you need a preamp with +60dB of gain for the SM7b. I think you can get recording with the Focusrite 2i2 that are more than workable. If you are recording, you don't need to be hitting 0dB and if you're streaming you don't need to be hitting 0dB because you can add digital gain post conversion. The one situation where I do think the argument could be made for 60dB of gain is if someone is in a conference call and they do not have any way to add digital amplification. If the argument that's being made is that on a preamp with +60dB of gain, you're more likely to have sufficient clean gain, I can kind understand the idea, but after thinking about it, I think that's the wrong approach. If the point of recommending a preamp with +60dB of gain is because it's "more likely" to have good noise performance, then shouldn't the recommendation be "you should get a preamp/interface with an EIN of X"? So instead of saying "the SM7b needs a preamp with +60dB of gain", I would argue that the more appropriate statement would be "the SM7b needs a preamp with -127dBA. Additionally, if you're distance micing or recording extremely quiet sound sources that require more than 60+dB of gain to hit -18dB, then the SM7b may not be the correct choice for you." edit: thanks for the comment and I hope this clears up my position.

@ProjetHomeStudio

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Podcastage2 Thanks a lot for your answer. I agree of course that you don't need to hit 0 dB, and that gain needs to be added in post anyway. However, after watching your video again, I am a bit surprised of how loud your signal is when you're @ +59 dB. I've just did some tests, with a Warm Audio TB12 plugged on my RME UFX II, and @ +59 dB of gain I am definitely not hitting -3 dBFS. Which interface are you using ? Could there be some kind of silent (digital ?) gain staging somewhere maybe, inside the interface ? What is the signal chain ? When using the preamps in my UFX II directly, I also need +60 dB of gain to reach -12 dBFS (RMS), which is indeed a bit hot - but I'm definitely not clipping the converters even if I'm talking loud. Regarding your EIN comment. I am not sure it would be the most reliable value, but I get your point and I kind of agree. However, since IMHO the mic still needs quite a lot of gain (based on the values i've just shared), the point is still that we need a preamp which is not adding too much noise when we push it a bit (maybe not +60dB, but say +55 dB). In which case a Fethead can be useful. Here are some measurements I did to illustrate that : www.projethomestudio.fr/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/fethead-sm7B-noise2.jpg

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

I am using the Universal Audio X8. There should not be any kind of automatic digital gain being added anywhere in the signal chain. The signal chain is simply SM7b > XLR to XLR cable > XLR Input on Universal Audio X8 > Mono track in Logic Pro X. I don't know what explains the discrepancy in level between our recordings. I'm 2-3 inches away from the mic in that recording. If you're significantly farther away than that, it would certainly impact your ability to hit the same levels. Also I am a somewhat loud talker. I think that EIN would be the ideal measurement to look at if the goal is to get clean recordings because the EIN = Noise Floor - Gain. So if the noise floor is -65dB, and you're adding +60dB of gain, the EIN would be calculated as (-65db) - (60dB) = -125dB. So the EIN should be a comparable specification from device to device telling us how clean the amplification will be (of course assuming similar weighting). I'm not sure what the measurements you provided are demonstrating. To me it looks like the TB12 is noisier and that doesn't really illustrate that a preamp with +60dB is required or beneficial, it seems to illustrate that the TB12 is a kind of noisy preamp. That's to be expected though, a lot of the outboard preamps aren't designed to be the cleanest amplification out there. I'm fairly certain the LA610 mk2 and WA73EQ are noisier than my Focusrite Scarlett 2i2.

I don't agree that the "3-4 finger rule" should be applied to the Shure SM-7b. Instead, one should be comfortable with being right-up-on its foam windscreen IMHO. (also, experiment with each of the 2 foam windscreens included with the SM-7b, as they sound different) THEN... you can go about dialing in your dBs of gain, as needed. If someone feels that they might not be disciplined enough to stay on-mic, then perhaps an Electro Voice RE series mic should be considered, as they are much more forgiving of poor mic technique by design. I recommend the RE-320 for new podcasters (vs. the Heil PR-40) and for those with deeper pockets, a pre-1990's manufactured RE-20 (as the newer RE-20 mics just don't sound as good to me) -- Sincerely, the infamous, 'vintage RE-20 guy' in the podcasting space.

Greetings King Turdling

Spot on Bandrew. Less is more.

The usage of a SM7B requires 60dBV of gain, to raise a set test signal to +/- 0dBV. In that regard, what Shure states is perfectly correct. It’s not Shure‘s fault, everybody gets this wrong. 0dBV aren’t necessarily 0dBFS. And the human voice doesn’t necessarily hit the diaphragm at the sound pressure level used with the test signal. And people tend to ignore the dampening of sound pressure with an increasing distance.

Most likely ppl using this microphone - especially when gaming / streaming - they have the mic much further out than 2-4 inches.

Nice

thank the lord, finally someone said it.

Yea I bought a cloudlifter for nothing .

Maybe swallowing the mic isn't what Shure recommends. Backing off the mic just a couple more inches.

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. Shure recommends 2-3 inches in this official video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h6eltKygibmvprA.html @ around 1:25 in that video

@joeygwood

2 жыл бұрын

The actual diaphragm isn't right up against the front of the mic, it's a bit further back. So even if you're right up against it you're technically not eating it.

@eternalism8274

2 жыл бұрын

How many inches is the diaphragm recessed in the SM7b, compared to the windscreen or cage?

I think this microphone is too dark for my taste. And it has nothing to do with decibels. Just that crazy love for Liam Neeson's voice 😂🤣😂🤣

From one turdling to another, thank you. BTW: Autocorrect dislikes the word Turdling. 😃 Have a great day and be safe out there!

Finally someone who gets it, wow.

sE DM2 TNT review when?

So many people say you need a good external preamp for 60db of CLEAN gain but really it’s not even that! People need to understand that you need a good external preamp that makes the sm7b sound clean! Where it’s not so muffled or sibilant on the top end,,, not for the hiss because there is going to be a hiss either way because it’s a dynamic microphone

What's your preamp?

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

Was using Universal Audio X8 in this because it has the digital setting of gain dial so I can indicate exactly how much gain I'm adding to the mic.

The amount of times I've had to dip from Hasan's stream because of the incredible amount of clipping on his mic setup, please everybody just see your levels and at the very least use a limiter. Your viewers will thank you

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

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@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

What do you use these little pieces of paper for?

YESSS I clipped with my SM7b for a year before I figured it out. Honestly unless you are using a TRASH interface the mic is fine stock. With the 2i2 gen 2 I can get -12db peaks with no preamp.

@ramanmono

2 жыл бұрын

No preamp? So you plug directly in line input? Or in mic input put set gain to zero?

@BandrewScott

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramanmono I think they mean no inline preamp.

I guess I’m a turdling

Don't people own analogue compressors? I think a vocal channel strip should be your third hardware purchase.

the kids nowadays love that distorted cacophony though..they think its funny..or something 🤦 god i hate this world

The SM7B is too quiet for older and still many interfaces - that's still a fact. What he's doing is offering a software workaround. That's fine, but not all programs have that option. What if I want to use that mic in a Zoom call, or Skype or DIscord? Then I'll simply get complaints I'm too quiet, can I turn up the volume? Well, I've turned up the volume to max and there's nothing else I can do, unless there's some system-wide software that can perform digital gain. To some people, that will seem like an awkward solution - why not just buy something the WORKS in the first place? It's a fix for those stuck with poor gain.

I really hate how treble clipped the SM7B sounds. Everyone who uses it sounds like they have a pillow over them.

@edwardreverseproductions

2 жыл бұрын

It's a dynamic mic,it's never gonna be as sharp and treble detailed as condensers right?

@voiceovergabe1466

2 жыл бұрын

So that's why it has a presence boost switch on the back. I prefer to use it with that activated for improved clarity, otherwise you could do the same thing post with a high shelf Don't overlook the fact that the SM7b is great for broadcast and long-form spoken word where the slightly dull tone is much less tiring to listen to for extended periods than a recording with highs so sharp they will slice your ear drums.

@Aledan98

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardreverseproductions Right.

I thought the biggest misconception of the SM7B is that if you use one it will give you talent. This mic is great, but overused.

@yuh9157

2 жыл бұрын

This 100 percent I heard someone cover a song and they were practically tone deaf but they had an sm7b lol😭

@jakp8777

2 жыл бұрын

@@yuh9157 this isn’t a very novice friendly mic with how quiet it is. There are better, less popular options.

@yuh9157

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakp8777 oh I know that, I meant they didn't hit 1 note that wasn't either sharp or flat lol, it didn't give them talent like you said

@thefullsetup

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree I fell into that trap persisted with it for 6 months but it's just too tark at the top end for my voice. Just swapped it out for an Re320 and it's night and day for my use case.

just buy a cloudlifter. simple as

In terms of sound the SM7B is the most overrated. It looks great on camera but it is so dull and dry. The main reason it’s so popular is that Americans need it to cut out the high end frequencies in the accent that is too harsh. There are so many better microphones these days

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I actually disagree. There is most definitely a difference. Go and get a Zoom H5 and get an SSL2 and try using a Shure SM7B on both of them. Undoubtedly the Zoom H5 is going to have substantially much more hiss. So much more noise. And it's because the SM7B has a sensitivity of -59 dBV/Pa. You 'need' something at least around 60 DB of gain to be able to get away with no hiss. Even in your video up top at 2:30, that would be considered unacceptable by voiceover standards. That audio wouldn't pass voiceacting standards. Because what you are doing is cranking up your GAIN which is bringing up the volume of your computer and fan noise and everything else. Whereas you wouldn't need to do that with a Cloudlifter or with an interface with at least 60 DB of gain, ie MOTU M2, SSL2, etc.

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

You’re talking about two completely different things. 1st) The gain available has zero impact on the hiss. EIN would have the impact on that. This is all off the top of my head, but the H5 has an EIN of around -124dBa, the 18i20 2g has an EIN of around -127dBA and the M2 has an EIN of around -130dBa. That EIN figure is what tells you how much preamp hiss you can expect when recording. 2nd) A cloud lifter / fethead / etc, functions EXACTLY the same as increasing the gain on your preamp. It adds +25dB of clean GAIN. So you can either plug your mic directly into the preamp and boost it +50dB to record at -18 to -12dB, or you can add a cloud lifter which boosts your signal by +25dB before it hits the preamp, and then boost your signal by +25dB with your preamp. If your distance to the mic remains unchanged, you will have the EXACT same amount of room noise in both situations. If this level of noise is not acceptable for “voiceover standards” then don’t buy it for professional voice over. I don’t think i know of any professional voice over artists using the SM7b anyway. They all use condensers. They’re using stuff like the KSM32, TLM103, U87Ai, etc.

@Dracomies

2 жыл бұрын

@@Podcastage2 It’s both. It’s not just EIN, it’s also the GAIN range as well. This is why people who have interfaces with -128 DB EIN still have a lot of hiss with the SM7B. An easy way to illustrate this is as follows. Get an interface and record into it at the absolute lowest GAIN and whisper into it. Normalize that to -1 DB. Now get that same interface and put it at an acceptable GAIN range and whisper into it and normalize that to -1 DB. There’s a tremendous difference in audio quality between the two. One will have substantially more hiss than the other. When you record quietly and increase that in post, that introduces a lot more hiss. Why does this matter? Assuming you max out both interfaces with an SM7B, an interface with a low GAIN RANGE means that the waves are substantially smaller. Whereas an interface with a higher GAIN range means your waves are larger. When you take that track and do whatever compression or EQ is done, the interface with the lower GAIN range is going to have more hiss. Every microphone has a sensitivity value and you need to at the very least match that to avoid hiss. EIN isn’t the only factor. Let’s take a look at 2 interfaces with the exact same EIN. The Rode AI-1 has an EIN of -128 DB. The Scarlett Solo has an EIN of -128 DB. Do they perform the same with an SM7B? No. The Rode AI-1, it only has a GAIN range of up to 45 DB maximum. Whereas the Scarlett Solo has a GAIN range of 56 DB. Both have to be maxed out to even be audible. But because the Rode AI-1 has such a low GAIN range it actually has much, much smaller waves. And when you amplify that, it’s going to have a lot more noise than something that had much larger waves to begin with. Your video is implying that GAIN range doesn’t matter. And it’s only EIN that matters. But it’s not just the EIN. It’s the GAIN range as well. That’s the difference between a Babyface Pro FS at 75 DB of gain VS a Rode AI-1 at only 45 DB. That means I can increase the gain nearly 2/3 more than I would with a Rode AI-1. I think overall we agree in many areas but I do feel the title of the video is decieving. Because the title of the video is implying that GAIN range doesn’t matter at all. But it does. That’s why Shure is saying you need at least 60 DB of GAIN. Because that’s true. You need at least that much to avoid that hiss.

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

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@Dracomies

2 жыл бұрын

I've seen Julian's video and his video actually illustrates why you need to record at a higher GAIN. 2 interfaces with the same EIN will not perform the same with the SM7B. GAIN range plays a factor as well. This is why hundreds of people with -128 DB EIN still have poor audio with the SM7B. Because GAIN range is important as well. ie Rode AI-1 has -128 DB but only 45 DB gain. Other interfaces can have the same EIN but much closer to 60 DB gain. That GAIN range is important as well.

@Podcastage2

2 жыл бұрын

Watch THIS video from Julian: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dnurz5ilnLzcZco.html , particularly the part on EIN. If two interfaces have the same EIN, they will have the same noise performance regardless of gain range. I think there’s confusion on how EIN is calculated. My understanding is EIN is Noise Floor less the amplification of the preamp. Side note, EIN is always calculated at max gain. Ex. If you have a interface 1 with +45dB of gain and the noise floor is -80dB. Then the calculation for EIN would be -80dB - 45dB which would give you -125dB. Then if you have interface 2 with 55dB of gain and the noise floor is -70dB, the EIN would be -125dB as well. You will get identical results in terms of noise. On interface 1 your signal will be 10dB quieter than interface 2, but the noise floor will also be 10dB quieter than interface 2 at max gain. Once you boost interface 1 by +10dB once everything has been converted the noise floor should be identical.

The biggest misconception about the SM7B is that it's worth more than $100.

@skakdosmer

2 жыл бұрын

Make that $50.

BECAUSE IT DOES....This is why you use a Cloudlifter....If you don't use one then your gain is at 90%....If you had your audio balanced you wouldn't be clipping at all. Not accusing you of this but any Audiophile worth there salt would tell you to use a cloudlifter/pre-amp...If you don't want to use one or can't afford the equipment necessary to run it properly then I highly suggest you use a USB mic/condenser...blue yeti or something like that. When ppl tell you "Hey you don't need this" they are looking for attn: and views..

@SoundSpeeds

2 жыл бұрын

Audiophiles spend their money on audio interfaces, mixers and recorders that have a low EIN and plenty of gain so they have no need for a Cloudlifter. Using a device like the Cloudlifter actually lowers the quality of your audio if you have a great quality interface. As for your recommendation of buying a USB mic if they don't take your advice... geez, you have a LOT to learn about audio. Someone uses a broadcast dynamic and you recommend a crappy USB mic. Forgot about reasons for using a dynamic like lower background noise... go ahead and buy a Yeti and hear your heart beat thru the table into the microphone. Brilliant. And no, I'm not looking for views on my audio channel. I am teaching accurate info and correcting the bad. Bandrew is spot on with what he said in this video and if you disagree, you might avoid audio on your tech channel or just stick to gaming.