The SEQUEL: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKyYuquCZcTTmZc.html

@Nigeel-CRB24

Ай бұрын

Fair. Honestly though the biggest flop of splatoon 3 is splatoon 3. The game had so much hype and potential tbh and I now barely see anyone talk about it much besides either competitive or just ranting. Although it could be bc of the changes in development I think the game feels rushed. Hopefully the hype put in the next entry will be worth it 😔🙏

I recall a very early period in S3 with Ninja Squid being overtuned and people not realizing that Wave Breaker is weak, which resulted in CJr. of all things being hyped up

@thesecondtonysoprano

Ай бұрын

Wavebreaker was pretty strong at the start of S3 because of the Meta. Crab was countered by Wave pretty hard. However, as time passed, other specials got much stronger and we left crab Meta, which left Wave in a pretty weak spot.

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

I do remember that! Same with the nova weapon but I wanted to make sure this list was short but good job pointing it out. It’s one of the reasons we see a jr. clip in the video because I initially had cJr. on my list.

@sonicrunn3r895

Ай бұрын

@@thesecondtonysoprano Also once they patched the wave breaker healing glitch as well

@crazfamily6931

Ай бұрын

I remember that meta too. Cjr was SOOO annoying

@Snowballsage

Ай бұрын

To be fair, wave breaker was actually good against ninja squid, tetras, crab tank and the slower comps people used to run back then

I've always thought the S-Blast was basically a trap. It sounds cool to be a Range Blaster and a Luna at the same time, but really, you're switching between being a Range that lacks the main thing people fear Range for, and a Luna that doesn't have the fire rate to make it worth respecting. Just like Range, if you fight it up close, it better direct you in one shot or else it dies before it wins. It's not Range and Luna at the same time. It's bad Range and bad Luna at the same time.

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

This is honestly a really good way to put it. I always felt like it lacked the one thing that defined blasters, it’s AOE & indirect pressure. It just doesn’t feel like a blaster to me.

@dynamorolleruser

Ай бұрын

It feels more like a bootleg range blaster to me

@dynamorolleruser

Ай бұрын

Rapid*

@bluetoad6848

Ай бұрын

Also, it doesn't help that burst bomb got nerfed before S-Blast 91 came out. But yeah, S-Blast overall is a very weak version of range and luna, and luna is already pretty subpar in 3

@crazfamily6931

Ай бұрын

So basically it's both the Blaster version of splash and a single shot clash blaster when jumping

Feels like both Splatana Wiper and Stamper's second kits were immediately forgotten when they came out because I only ever see the Vanilla/Order kits.

@Psynapseful

Ай бұрын

Well, the Stamper Nouveau at least got used in Worlds some, even if vanilla was more popular.

5 stared both S-Blast '92 and '91 and I can def agree with the 'having to play it perfectly" problem. It's weird seeing the devs give it a burst combo that can just... not kill if you're even slightly off your aim. If they tweaked the radius on the long range mode, leave a bit more room for error, I think we'd see more of it. I'll main '91 regardless tho, it's no flop to me, lol

@Teh-Dee-bear

Ай бұрын

Same here, I’ve also 5 starred both variants as well In fact, I’ve not long 5 starred the 91 variant a few days ago lol

@Teh-Dee-bear

Ай бұрын

But yeah, S-Blast needs another long range blast radius buff tbh But I’ll still play the 91 variant because it’s also no flop to me as well lol

@agentblackbird9435

6 күн бұрын

91 is my favorite short range blaster in the game and I have had numerous instances where I failed a burst combo and accidentally did 25/35 damage

I was over hyped about recycle brella due to me thinking it would get its shield back right after it breaks

This video deserve a follow up. It's really funny to look back we actually hype up a lot of weapons that are seem good on paper. And at the end, those kit really just only good on paper. (Also, I actually main a lot of weapons in this video which I might be crazy but I have a great time. So, why not.)

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

If I do a follow up, I’ll the opposite of the video. It really just depends on how to video performs. If people like it, I can but if it’s not the content people wanna see, I gotta try other things.

@cousinparty7266

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoondrapid pro and 52d HAVE to make that list

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

52D will 100% be on there

I feel like Painbrush had the most unrealized potential. But it was kneecapped by startup and end lag that was never retuned, and neither kit is great, with the second being downright bad. For a video going the other direction: c’mon, we all know pencil is going to be #1 on that list.

The fact that I play 4 these weapons is very depressing. But I kinda signed up for it being a splatoon 2 tetra main.

I feel like big bubbler as a special is one of the biggest flops I mean on paper its really strong Huge high hp shield you can set up for your teamates yet it falls really flat

@dznutskong

Ай бұрын

I'd argue Ink Vac fell off even harder despite seeming similarly good tbh

I'm not sure this counts but I remember when wiper deco was announced my friend group on discord were freaking out that it had both beakons and missiles as it's kit. But when we had the chance to play with the weapon we found out that it can't be as aggressive with a comeback + quick respawn build as its vanilla kit and it had to be played as more of a budget support. And I guess as the meta evolved people just dropped the weapon in favor of the other splatana weapons

7:42 Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.

Zimi, my baby💔I hope it can take some of the hype Jr🤢gets. There's a lot of weapons that look like they should or should have seen more use in comp, so thanks for tapping into this subject. Hope you consider a part 2 :)

@V1p3r_spl

Ай бұрын

Anything Jr does zimi can do better, so hopefully if jr is seen as viable zimi will also follow

@heckatrademark

Ай бұрын

@@V1p3r_spl I think the bomb spam just appeals to ppl more rn, but apparently Zimi made some moves in a recent Area Cup, so here's hoping

@agentblackbird9435

6 күн бұрын

@@V1p3r_splI’d hope so, but Jr spams bombs and bubbles and, most importantly, provides paint for a team with Squeezer and Range

Off topic but Sloshing machines nerf was unjustified

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

This channel loves Sloshers so stuff like that is never off topic!

@agentblackbird9435

6 күн бұрын

Wish they nerfed the hitbox because now with it being slower people don’t enjoy it as much, and Trizooka on Neo makes the nerf seem even more pointless

i dont agree with your s blast take. I dont think the wepon is under tuned, i think that the weapon is just very hard and unforgiving "inconsistant" , the skill sealing for the weapon is probably one of the highest in the game , it probably has the best versitility out of any blaster , tldr longrange is to hard to hit consistantly for most peapol thats why its not played in comp mutch .

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

Yeah, that’s why I said you need to play it perfectly. It’s not forgiving. It’s under tuned because of that.

@Random0king-tw5pn

Ай бұрын

Yeah, what he said. People don't want to use a weapon to do something that literally every other weapon in its class does better.

God. The fact 92 has had more results than 91 *pisses* me off. I felt like I was the only person playing 91 at the start of the season. And that’s still continued for the most part. I don’t see it used much even in casual, and as someone who plays it a good amount it’s annoying when I hear people say “91 is good” without the results to back it up. It’s ironic because I don’t like Luna or Range very much. But then again, I play stuff like Nozzles and Squeezer so the perfect aim thing is already pretty engrained for me.

As a tetra main, I confirm that sprinkler KILLS light tetra dualies. It is still very fun casually, but in competitive yeah I get it.

I agree with Sblast; one shot range blaster with perfect jump Rng sounds good on paper, but we have yet to see results. I make a claim for Dwiper. A gun with missiles that can be more threatening than Flingza or Goo had the community in a uproar, but quickly fizzled out and haven't heard about it since. As for underhyped weapons, I would say stamper. Both it and wiper were undervalued at release for their slow kill times at there effective ranges, but as time went on, they became much more threatening.

One I would say is definitely Custom JR many people were saying back in Chill season it would be the anti meta pick because how good it was against most top tiers back then Blasters, Dualies and pretty much all stealth weapons but when the meta moved to more long range pressure it had no spot in team comps and completely faded away

tbh, sblasts main issue i feel is consistency issues. like yeah, it definitely has its fair share of problems, but i feel as though its strengths would be more worth it if it didn't feel like you had to flip a coin and land heads to use them sometimes (saying as someone whos 5 stared 92 and halfway to the 91 5 star)

It isn't in the best content, but I enjoy seeing Zimi being talked about regardless as my favorite weapon, lol- I remember being disappointed time and time again when people spoke about bubble, Zimi was mostly seen as inferior to Jr. 😭 Sometimes, I wish the 1st kit was burst and Trizooka but that would be awful to fight. Hopefully a third kit can save the weapon's reputation.

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

IT'S SO SAD RIGHT. I wish it was better.

Splatana Wiper Deco was feared upon by many just for everyone to use the original kit instead

Maybe because I wasn’t on splat twt all that much then, but even on KZread I don’t remember seeing anyone thinking that Zimi was gonna be that good. This was like November 2022, when crab Meta really started cementing, and we realized that it hard counter big bubbler so it wasn’t worth running anymore by this time. And we’ve all been knew that mist was useless since S2, sooo….😭 I think most who saw the reveal knew it was going to be a pretty subpar kit

I would wanna see an underrated one but I think #1 is gonna be pencil, that shit STILL defines the meta

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

Surprisingly…it’s not :)

@6VaporX

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoon Than it AT LEAST has to be on the list

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

@@6VaporXjust finished the video…I can confirm that it’s not…😎 lol

@6VaporX

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoon damn, guess ill have to watch!

a successes video would be pretty good i think the wellstring woul probably be on that cause i never saw hype for it and personally wasnt going to pick it up but its now my main and favourite weapon

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

I will use tournaments as a measure of success…well string did something recently…so…

Honorable mention definitely has to go to wiper deco. I remembered everyone was freaking out because of a good main weapon with missiles, but the kit didn’t really have any synergy. Great video btw

I remember when splatana wiper deco got revealed and everyone thought it was going to be a missile spammer and ruin the game, nowadays I barely see anyone play it

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

Very good point However, counter point, before missiles got nerfed, wiper Deco did well in early tournaments.

@redi.c.e.6046

Ай бұрын

Yah, because it’s crap. And i mean contextless, even in solo q i can never get anything done with it. Barely ever even get a kill. It’s just bad.

I think the biggest problem of s-blast is just the meta, if like all of its counters (like 52, squeezer, range) we’re not there it might be not too but really high tier But I do agree that there is no good reason actually to pick sblast over rb (maybe in a more short range oriented meta)

light tetra would’ve been better if it had a damaging bomb , it was also outclassed in qr meta by splatana

I would love to see a list on the unexpected winners of weapons

Maybe if Brella shields blocked Trizooka shots, they’d be better, right? …right?

Neo-splash’s kit is the worst weapon kit flop imo. It was SUPPOSED to have Zipcaster and they changed it to Ttek 2 like how did they fumble that hard. I can safely say, had it gotten zipcaster, it would’ve been my fav weapon

I was a big brella fan when sorella brella came out... It was so much fun until i realized that there are a lot of classes that can counter it + the fact that brella had it's DMG nerf which rlly made it's gameplay irritating... Inkjet was amazing for it but yeah... the amount of times it gets countered by a zooka or makes it very sad.. After I managed to 5 star sorella, I dropped it immediately after cuz of how frustrating it can be to be a brella (less emphasis if ur a tent). I would go back to maining it but damn... this thing makes me sad everytime I see it :')

Thing is, i was on board with what you were saying bout s blast, even accepting of putting both in there, RIGHT UP TIL the point where you said “the problem is the main weapon is weak and undertuned”. I thoroughly believe this isn’t the case, the main weapon is impressive enough, and that one particular other sentence belonged there: The problem is, there’s just no reason to run it. It’s the same story with picking Lucina over Marth in smash ultimate; why would you, in a comp context, wanting to win, pick the s blast, even with a booyah bomb, even IN TC, if range is right there? And tbh that’s, at least somewhat, even Before it got crb, that’s all it’s a matter of; there’s just no point in picking it when other easier things already happen to be meta. That’s what I think anyhow. The only other thing i can say is, I’d absolutely love to get the opposite video you proposed at the end, go for it

I wanna you saying how pencil went from the worst charger to the best one somehow

I was never that good with splatlings, but was so excited for Zimi. Even with buffs to bubbler, I never see anyone pick it. Tbh the vanilla mini kit is kinda better because of burst bomb combo even tho ultra stamp sucks XD

As a tetra main, i completely agree with where tetra is. I think it can go a little higher, but that is probably due to me being biased.

Not me and Geenie getting clipped at the start 😂 Good video as always man

I would like to see that video you mentioned in the end, that would be fun

@Chuka_26

Ай бұрын

Same

I think vanilla E liter could be an honorable mention I personally haven’t seen much play or discussion from it since the beginning of s3

@tomatoblate2170

Ай бұрын

I think that the difference with vanilla Liter is that it was really good, but as the meta changed it fell off, compared to the other weapons in the video that never lived up to the hype to begin with

I understand this is your opinion, but trust me when I say that I got the S-BLAST '91 as soon as I could and in my hands, it's AMAZING. I mean, I originally got it based off the looks. It's based off the SNES Super Scope, and it's purple (my fave color). But then I took a look at what it's stacked with, and it was pretty much a no-brainer. To me, the Burst Balloon is like the standard Splat Bombs but they explode on contact (which eliminates the chance of the enemy running away from it without taking damage), and the Booyah Bomb is a very simple special, just charge it with the "Booyah!" command, aim it wherever needed, fire it off, and watch it go. Even if you don't take out enemy teams in the blast, you'll still leave ink behind where the shot landed. And if you ask me, the original S-BLAST '92 kit was far too "meh" in my opinion. The Reefslider special can be amazing when used in the right hands (those hands are not mine), but Sprinkler...that thing makes a noise when active and can be broken in only a few hits (or one if you're using something like a Blaster, WHICH IS WHAT THE S-BLAST IS), so not the greatest choice. The '91 simplified things a bit. But, at the end of the day, these are _opinions,_ so yeah.

As a Decavitater main I am happy, because I use the Mint one. Ha.

I feel like all the brella player knew a new kit wouldn't be enough for brella

Cellstring is the biggest flop of the bow class. Reef deco was recently buffed to be decent but it still has curse of slider. Gus trust me this is coming from a bow main

@squiddler7731

Ай бұрын

I main bow and I feel the exact opposite way, Wellstring almost feels strong enough as to make both tri-stringer and reeflux obsolete. It does area damage better with it's 5 shots doing ludicrous damage (enough to kill in one hit with the splash damage alone which no other weapon has), and the partial charge can also kill in one hit and is only barely slower than reeflux. It'd be completely busted if it wasn't for heavyweight and mid kits holding it back.

@Lesbeon_8

Ай бұрын

@squiddler7731 I didn't say wellstrings vanilla kit was bad I said custom wellstring is bad.

Honestly i never saw zmini get insane hype with its kit bavk then. Its had ots moments, but i think it just gets outshined by jr and now the mint splatana (i cant remember the full name)

I’ve been playing decav for a while now and I wouldn’t say it’s anywhere near being bad. yeah, I think it was a little overhyped, but definitely not a “flop”.

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

The anesthesia will wear off from using Decav. It's all good. 🤭

@AquaQuokka

Ай бұрын

Wait a second... I recognise you... Splatcord?

@harmless9336

Ай бұрын

Its clear that it's undertuned in comp and way overtuned in solo. Starts that don't work in comp like a scu max build work great in solo so it can just spam jet all game and 1 shot anyone who gets close enough to try and stop it.

the sub weapon does really hurt light tetra. it didn't need something super broken to work, but sprinkler is quite possibly the worst sub for tetra, since it's destroyed when the player is splatted. It is absolutely the sprinkler that ruins this kit, and I'd honestly argue that it would've been insane even in cooler meta if it had something like Fizzy bomb Zipcaster. Now, because of how strong Zip is rn, I'd argue that light tetra is currently the better tetra kit

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

Cooler being strong is what really hurt light tetras.

@theoriginalducc

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoon I think it can still work in a cooler meta if it has a good kit

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

I’ll change my mind when light tetras wins a tourney 🤷🏽‍♂️

@theoriginalducc

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoon it got top 4 in area cup a few weeks ago

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

That was *dark* tetras lol

It's kinda sad to see Light Tetra not pop off. It's so much fun and it's truly just in the wrong game. I like to argue that even a good chunk of the mid tier kits in S3 would be meta in any game aside from Splatoon 3 (okay that's an exaggeration but at least for Splatoon 2 as example)

I see more of Mint than Charcoal out there which is crazy

Wiper deco was another overhyped weapon. S2 did a number on people.

I was in a Gus video. The match at 0.42 made one of my team mates rage quit

i thought this was going to be about teams-

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

LMAAAOO… That could be a KZread idea 🤔

wait arnt both tent kits meta?

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

uhhhhh no...what tournaments are you watching?

@kaye_spl

Ай бұрын

wasnt it was like on half of the sendouq tournament teams? correct me if im wrong but it gets a lot of top level rep to my knowledge

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

Tent is used but it isn’t meta. That isn’t what meta means.

@user-bb2op9he1x

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoon if im not mistaken they used it in worlds

@xonytfr

Ай бұрын

not meta but both are pretty equally viable for use

Tbh i dis agree with part of your tetras take if it had a bomb or even just autobomb we would never see the vanilla kit unless you wabted to run some splash zones cheese

The saddest part of this list, is the fact most of these weapons are victims of the kit system. Nintendo will over tune weapons with bad kit synergy and will either nerf or neglect weapons that finally get a good kit. The current kit system often gets exploited by Nintendo as a way of "balancing" main weapons rather than an opportunity to explore different playstyles that play to the weapon's strengths. A good kit is merely the bare minimum, the main weapon has to be good and everything around it has to go in its favour. 3rd should've been the focus, and made part of the main update cycle in the first place imo. They shouldn't just be content extensions. As for my personal flop, that would go to the neo sploosh, as a long time sploosh fan, my worst fears for this weapon were realised and my disappointment remains immeasurable, this neo variant did nothing but reinforce all the stereotypes people had with the sploosh, being a braindead casual weapon that has no place in the meta. And in a game where shooter privilege is a thing, the sorry state of Sploosh is unacceptable. And seeing that were never getting Sploosh 7 let alone third kits, Sploosh will continue to remain at the rock bottom of every competitive players' tier list and a joke for all the wrong reasons. If anyone is wondering why I was an advocate for custom kits, this is basically why. I was basically for custom kits as early as Splatoon 2 after all the content updates. Sploosh was very lucky to get the 7 variant twice, but as anyone would say about luck, it eventually runs out, and that pretty much applies with this weapon.

The biggest WHAT?

This is only a me thing but my personal biggest flop weapon was the sorella undercover... Like, I dont hate the kit but it just feels odd compared to splat 2's splat bomb + baller :( I dreamed of splat bomb + inkstorm/booyah bomb since day 1 so that can also be a reason?

A blast would be good if long range mode had a faster firing rate or either a larger blast radius. But as it stands it’s just terrible

a least all these weapons ended up being pretty fun, except ziny in my opinion, ziny in 3 is kinda sad honestly.

Bro's turning into prochara

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

Im the one & only Gus 💅🏽

#1 sorella undercover brella (I 5⃣ stared it)

DECAVITATER IS NOT A FLOP 😡

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

It’s ok Dynamo Roller User. The anesthesia from using decav will wear off soon. You’ll see the truth soon 👍🏽

@Taco796

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoonLOL

@user-bb2op9he1x

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoon he didnt watch past 10 seconds ☠

@Taco796

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoonima stringer main but I kinda think tri stringer was a flop because of the initial hype (this hurts as a bow main)

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

Stringer was in the honorable mentions.

wait how can you say that s blast suck? do you really mean it? i think its the third best blaster after costume range and rapid deco

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

Just because you think it’s the best doesn’t mean it’s won a lot of notable tournaments. That’s what I’m basing my list off of.

@user-bb2op9he1x

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoon doesnt that mean that no one is willing to give it a chance because of high stakes? i mean the s blast has both a long range blast and a short range blast and an absurd kit how can it be that much of a flop, at the very least it cant be as bad as youre describing it

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

Thats 100% true but when I just looked at how the weapon did in tournaments, it didn’t win as much things compared to all the hype it go.

In ,y opinion i see a lot of these weapons, but that might just be cuz I’m S+0?

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

*competitive play* = *in tournaments*

@ikeokeke1759

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoon ye

Do success

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

Let’s see how successful this video is & I can take it from there.

@CubinNCoasters

Ай бұрын

@@GUSplatoon I think it’s a good video and will be successful

Am i the only one confusedd not to see wiper deco

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

It won a couple of tournaments when missiles were good. I don’t what you’d like for me to say.

@smohd5683

Ай бұрын

Yeah but it was overhyped to the point that people thought it would kill the game, maybe im wrong but i feel like when comparing expectations to results its at least top 5 for me

@GUSplatoon

Ай бұрын

I balanced hype and competitive results so yeah. Just trying to be consistent across the board.

@smohd5683

Ай бұрын

At the end of the day it is just a fun video containing your opinion

@unconcernedsalad2

Ай бұрын

wiper is niche but still in the meta, it was played in the most recent area cup