Since each of the top 4 creatures was legendary, you all should do commander clash where each person builds the best Timmy deck around the top 4.

@herrerabeast

7 ай бұрын

I was thinking this as I was watching the video. Would love to see how each of them would build what they believe is the Timmiest commander deck possible.

@jross890

7 ай бұрын

And when the commander is played you get a fist bump

@arghanothername

7 ай бұрын

Timmander Clash?

@joshuaworth9876

7 ай бұрын

This comment wins

@zweis

6 ай бұрын

Etali is too good

Asking Crim's opinion on timmy cards is like asking a vegan to choose the best cut at a steakhouse.

@ben_clifford

7 ай бұрын

Seriously 😆

@JonaxII

7 ай бұрын

And yet, he loves Cruel Ultimatum, the most Timmy Sorcery. He's a Timmy, just not for creatures.

@ben_clifford

7 ай бұрын

@JonaxII That's a great point. Tomer kept trying to explain that Timmy cards don't need to be bad, they just need to do big things. If he used Cruel Ultimatum as an example of a Timmy card, I think Crim (and maybe Richard) might have stopped treating Timmy's like bad players.

@TheBotchJob

5 ай бұрын

Thank God, I couldn't have said it better myself

Protection from everything is the most Timmy thing imaginable. So much so it constantly confuses Timmys who don’t know that boardwipes actually answer it

@thek838

7 ай бұрын

But it has Protection from everything! Even death!

@ComfyDents

7 ай бұрын

Protection feom everything is just Shroud and can't be blocked. What a day when I found out.

@adamhenwood1114

7 ай бұрын

@@thek838 Hahahah exactly! It's unkillable!

Apex Devastator is the epitome of a Timmy card. You're always casting it in hopes of cascading into big spells, but you damn well know you're just cascading into ramp and poorly-timed spells; but YOU CAST IT ANYWAY! "FOUR CASCADES!? That's like four of my best creatures!"

@Lucarioguild7

7 ай бұрын

As a Timmy I want to like Devastator but it not having trample is an offense of the highest order

@soleo2783

3 ай бұрын

I play it in my landfall deck, please cascade into ramp mr devastator

@wraithflaire1639

15 күн бұрын

Ghalta, stampede tyrant is a Timmy that can summon multiple other Timmys. It doesn't get more Timmy then that. It can summon an Apex Devastator triggering its 4 cascades.

I'm not gonna lie, when ChatGPT said tapping to create a token is to complex for timmy's as opposed to big creature go smash, I laughed so hard. Nailed it. I also love the idea that Timmy is allergic to reading more than a line of text on his magic cards lmao

@borislibaque1558

7 ай бұрын

kinda true though, you wanna attack with it not tap it, so its a tough spot to be in as a Timmy

@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle

7 ай бұрын

​@@borislibaque1558godsire has vigilance though, so you can both attack AND tap it

@ben_clifford

7 ай бұрын

@@borislibaque1558 Godsire has vigilance, so you don't really need to choose

@shawnrehm2394

7 ай бұрын

​@ben_clifford Sorry I'm too Timmy I didn't notice the vigilance and assumed you had to pick.

@ben_clifford

7 ай бұрын

@@shawnrehm2394 😝

Marit Lage gets an honorable mention for most Timmy token creature, not the Desolation Twin token :^ )

@danielsniff6405

7 ай бұрын

You would think Marit Lage would be a timmy creature, but I feel like it's only used competitively by spikes in 60 card. I never see anyone play it fairly.

Watching a group of Spikes and Johnnys argue over what a Timmy is was more painful than expected, kudos

Phil should be on call for the rest of these types of videos

@jjvh500

7 ай бұрын

Yes, please! Or just any solution that isn't ChatGPT

@xaxscratchxax926

7 ай бұрын

If they just did it with 5 people in general there would never be a tie....

@mightyone3737

7 ай бұрын

I agree with Timer (he does look like the clock guy from Beauty and the Beast), Phil would be better than AI that literally chose between two wrong cards on one of these. AI now is like saying you invented the wheel but only making fidget spinners, a real 'forest for the trees' scenario, just stop using it and let it go away until we have AI that is relevant to the grown up world, as is it's a fun toy for teens.

@Dragiceoriginal

7 ай бұрын

Phil would be infinitely better than ChatGPT… At least he actually knows what the cards are

2:59 I don’t need more than 5 seconds to know that Brisela isn’t making it outta the first round VS new Ghalta, but damn is it always so much fun to play the BIG card.

@alkhemia23

7 ай бұрын

Brisela my fav card in magic so I agree

@Lucarioguild7

7 ай бұрын

I'd say Brisela over new Ghalta but old Ghalta is the cremé de la cremé of Timmy cards, a commander that's always a 2 mana 12/12, is there anything more sweet?

Mark Rosewater's example of the Timmy archetype from his article Making Magic, Timmy, Johnny, and Spike, 2013. “Imagine a kid goes into a game store. Let’s just call him… 'Timmy.' Now, Timmy doesn’t have a lot of money. So, he buys one pack of Bogavhati (Tempest’s codename). He rips it open and starts tearing through the cards to find the rare. And then he sees it. It’s a big green creature. Seven power. Seven toughness. It’s huge. Huge! He’s eyes keep moving. He glances up at the casting cost: 5 Mana Green, blah, blah, blah. Boring. Move on. Timmy looks at the rules text. There’s a bunch of words. Timmy reads. Every turn Timmy gets another creature. Another entire creature. It’s small, but in ten turns, he’ll have twenty creatures. A 7/7 creature with twenty 1/1s. How does his opponent stop that? It can’t be stopped! Timmy finally exhales. He has found the Holy Grail.”

@gypsieking3280

7 ай бұрын

Verdant Force was the truth to my Timmy Heart

Crim was at his peak in this episode. "what are you going to cascade into? A good card? No you're a Timmy" hahahahaha

19:00 "protection from everything" is one of those great examples where rules text is also flavour text

Keep in mind that ChatGPT only has data till January 2022. But you could just write everything relevant like mana cost / effect / stats if you want to ask for a newer card~

@Pedro-ho2xj

7 ай бұрын

That explains Etali

Dude the chat gpt response on apex devastator was so spot on it's quite disturbing

The definition of a Timmy isn't play big thing according to Rosewater. It's playing to feel something and experience something that brings you joy happiness.

@qwerty62201

7 ай бұрын

Yeah but that definition is boring, we assume that playing Mtg in general is enjoyable. How are Timmy's unique in that sense?

@andrewgolubiewski3463

7 ай бұрын

Does this mean only the people that are numb to magic aren't Timmys?

@mikailmarchand7830

7 ай бұрын

@@qwerty62201 even though I agree this definition is boring and the podcast is not serious about it, and you also probably are sarcastic, I will still respond first degree. Timmy's unique in the way that it enjoys the experience. He seeks this joy. Spike does not seeks the joy, he seeks victory. He seeks to show he's capable, that he has skill. Spike has something to prove. And Johnny has something to tell. He uses the game to express himself, to create and to share.

@andrewgolubiewski3463

7 ай бұрын

So the control mage with no win cons that plays for the thrilling feeling of letting you do nothing is a Timmy?

@cooperburnham2359

7 ай бұрын

​@@andrewgolubiewski3463griefers is a subsection of timmy, so yes

The Progenitus ability that shuffles it back into the library (and the similar abilities on various gods) would make sense under a keyword like "Immortal"

@xaxscratchxax926

7 ай бұрын

I like that

@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai

7 ай бұрын

Ooh, yeah. Templated similarly to Ward, so that it could encompass multiple different versions of the effect. “Immortal - Shuffle this creature into your library.” _(When this creature dies, shuffle it into your library.)_ Or “Immortal - Put this creature into your library third from the top.” …it really wouldn’t save a ton of space, but condensing the phrase “when this creature dies” into one 8-letter word would be something.

Holy fuck Richard and Crim are being so frustrating here. Thank you Seth and especially Tomer for making this not entirely Timmy slander. Ur-Dragon is pure Timmy and Tomer's argument was perfect.

Gigantosaurus is literally the card named on Timmy Power Gamer

On Progenitus v Apex Devastator, the Timmy thing about Progenitus that you didn't mention much was that it costs 2 pips of every color, so when a new player pulls it off, it's like they won the lottery. Same with something like Door to Nothingness. Casting it is a triumph whereas Apex Devastator is every other day for a green player.

Yargle having 6 toughness makes it an even better Timmy Card. It's TWO Yargle, Glutton of Urborgs stapled together

@jamesgreenwood1703

7 ай бұрын

EXACTLY

If you’ve ever seen those super-Timmy custom cards people make, one consistent thing is that the Timmy will make it cost something absurd like 3xWUBRG to make it look cooler. Progenitus has that energy

As an avid Dinosaur lover I have to say Tomer has a point. Dragons kinda have a plot armor so to speak being in a fantasy setting so it's hard for Dinos to shine up against. Unfortunate but true, dinos are huge they just don't have all the added value of the flying versions. 😭

@danielsniff6405

7 ай бұрын

I love how dinosaurs capture scale in mtg. Dragons are cool, but I feel like the art of the big dinosaurs does such a great job at showing how big they are. They also like breaking boats for some reason.

How did you guys not on the biggest timmy on the cast phil? 😂

Technically, I believe the Marit Lage token is the largest creature token at 20/20.

Surprised that Phil isn’t here, I feel like he would have some fun inputs

A Timmy isn’t someone who likes to play bad cards. Like every Timmy player loves Eldrazi, they don’t care that it’s “too competitive”, it’s just a cool monster that goes brrrr.

I like these tourney style podcasts. I think they get better the more arbitrary they are. Whats more of a favorite leads to funnier conversations than what's better. Chefs kiss from a self identified timmy.

28:28 I think the OG Elder Dinosaurs are more Timmy than the new ones

As somebody who plays a lot of historic brawl, Etali might be the single most common deck that I have to play against. People love playing ramp into ramp into big dumb dinosaur.

Watching Tomer slowly give in to Crim's criteria is hilarious.

Yargle and multani isn't splashy enough to be the Timmy winner. Big creature and splashy effects is what Timmy means to me

I legitimately got fist bumped for playing Progenitus earlier this year. Last week someone played Ghalta on like turn four and everyone groaned.

@wraithflaire1639

15 күн бұрын

I think everyone groaning is more of indicator of Timmy than fist bumps.

When a Timmy creature hits the board. He wants a collective “Uh oh…” from the table. When a Spike creature hits the board, he wants a collective groan.

They were actually being real for a round…and then they broke Tomer lol

Here's why they're wrong about Worldspine Wurm vs Godsire: the wurm can only do something "splashy" when it dies, godsire only does something after waiting a full turn without it dying -> Timmy's don't believe their creature can die.

@Shimatzu95

7 ай бұрын

Considering how little interaction is in most non blue peoples decks, there is a fair chance for godsire to stick around, specially if you underestimate it.

Ulamog is like 40 bucks. How is little Timmy supposed to supposed to afford an Eldrazi titan?

Creatures im missing: - Ancient Gold Dragon - Apex Altisaur (or better said apex punchisaur!) - Bladewing, Deathless Tyrant - Copper Host Crusher - Hellkite Overlord - Koma, Cosmos Serpent - Magister Sphinx - Zacama, Primal Calamity And even on non creature spells there are some awesome once that fit that role :)

@wraithflaire1639

15 күн бұрын

Shelob, Child of Ungoliant

I really like these Podcasts. Great stuff to listen to while going to sleep / game / sitting in trains

I don't even need to watch this to know 100% that Ghalta Stampeding Tyrant is BY FAR the timmiest big creature around and it's in green so it's not a turn 8 drop... it's like a turn 4 drop and you just drop everything roar as loud as you can and then get board wiped by the next player. it's epic.

Crim always countering Timer regardless of what he says is hilarious. I also think Avacyn has nothing on Ur-Dragon as far as Timmy goes. Avacyn saves your stuff - Timmy is thinking “how do I put more stuff into play?”

Richard and his Timmy nicknames for the cast are spot on!

"If you look at the backside, it's fantastic" - Tomer 2023

Meld is the timmiest mechanic of all time. Brisela was robbed.

before finishing the vid, my vote goes to Apex Devastator, because it is the timmiest card my opponents would actually let resolve. Flipping cards off the top is fun, even when they whiff, and it can change the board drastically or not at all. That gamble and the emotions are priceless to me. Edit: I love democracy

A 21/5 legendary that deals damage as commander damage would be the next Timmyiest card ever.

By the 2nd round this bracket became pure meme. I think you guys lost the plot a bit on your picks, but I still enjoyed it immensely.

Timmy cards can be good too!

I once saw Reid Duke actually cast Progenitus in his Legacy elves deck.

Progenitus is the only creature I ever had to do a second take when I first read it

44:25 Tomer is the actual Timmy here. His votes should count twice.

I unironically love how every one of these bracket-offs so quickly descends into petty grudges and infighting about previous picks.

Timmy doesn’t mean play bad creatures that happen to be big. It means play creatures or spells that have a huge impact. Eldrazis are the definition of Timmy as is the new Etali.

51:16 I am not sure what you guys are on, but every single Version of Y&M I seen so far was sweaty as heck. Ways to protect it, pump it and ramp into it. Meanwhile I seen people throw Avacyn just straight up into the angle precon I thought it came with her and they grind like idiots playing full price for her even if they could never swing

Ur-Dragon deserved the Timmy win against Avacyn. Avacyn is definitely more sweaty and trying hard to lock down a board. Ur-Dragon reduces the cost of your Dragons which are all Timmy creatures already. 5 color is also a Timmy experience. We love big things to happen, and love to see many colors happen too.

@TheOnlyDragonGod

7 ай бұрын

100% agree

Are we forgetting marit lage? While a token, 20 power is very impressive

The actual most Timmy card is Yusri, Fortune's Flame. As was said a few times, Timmy doesn't care about what's best, but rather what's coolest. And ya know what's really cool? Winning 5 coin flips, drawing 5 cards, and then casting them for free!! Imagine what you could hit!!! You could cast so many lava axes!!!!

Its weird how some of the archetypal Timmy cards didn't make the list, like Verdant Force or Avenger of Zendikar.

@MTGGoldfish

7 ай бұрын

I pushed hard for Verdant Force to be the boomer card, but with only 16 slots what can you do?

@DiscardatRandom

7 ай бұрын

Avenger of zendikar is so sweaty

@LouisKing995

7 ай бұрын

@@DiscardatRandomTimmy doesn’t mean bad 😂 Timmies just want to spend big mana to do big things. Timmy decks often end up arch enemy because of they’ve shit out a board of huge threats

Crim: What is thr most timmy creature typ? Dinosaurs Also Crim: Etali, the dinosaur blightsteel is not timmy.

It is hilarious to me that even though my playstyle does not match with Crim at all, his and my understanding of Timmy cards was practically the same the whole episode. Yargle is the true winner for me.

i still rember when i was starting commander i went to a new shop and i see the ur dragon precon and it was the coolest card I've ever seen. eminence may have been a mistake but we got the such a cool card with it. sad he got snuffed.

Some enormous creatures not included in the brackets: Body of Research (likely at least an 80/80 for 6 mana) Auratouched Mage->Colossification (a 23/23 for 6 mana that enters tapped) Serra Avatar/Soul of Eternity (potentially a 40/40 for 7 mana) Minion of the Wastes (a 39/39 trampler for 6 mana if you're willing to pay 39 life) Malignus (a 20/20 for 5 mana while an opponent is still at 40 life) As well as a variety of creatures that can become absolutely massive in a 4 player game (Lord of Extinction, Beast of Burden, Wilderness Elemental, Ignition Team, Custodi Soulbinders, Consuming Aberration)

Idk if I agree with the criteria.

@MatteBl6kGoat

7 ай бұрын

Chat gbt had a better criteria 😂

I went against this woman at an lgs and she played progenitus as her commander. She had fist of suns on the board and refused to cast progentius with it. That is where I learned the highest tier of fist bump criteria... What a legend.

16:56 JUDGE! ChatGBT doesn't count here it said it brings four random cards into play, "when it enters the battlefield". But cascade is a cast trigger! So we have to give the point to Impervious Greatwurm instead. ☺️

I think the way to score these is to hold them up and ask yourself who can beat who. If a Timmy is choosing between cards it is almost straight up: can this kill/be killed by the other card. Then if they're even: higher power or other abilities. Bonus points for trample. "You mean i can still hit my opponents even if they block!?"

Everybody talking about "Timmer" but nobody talking about "Crimothy" who knows about the Dinosaur Code. Crim definitely had the choices that resonated most with my inner 5 year old and the others were clearly activating too many neurons

If big number stats stick = Timmy, why aren't Lord of Extinction and Body of Research there?

@lucaslopera8983

7 ай бұрын

body of research is a sorcery

@DiscardatRandom

7 ай бұрын

One is a non creature and their stats are varied

We really needed Phil here.

As a Timmy, despite the right conclusion, Crim and Richard are severely hampered in this discussion by not having a Timmy-like bone in their bodies. Seth and Tomer knew exactly what the objectively correct answers were.

Chatgpt absolutely nailed the apex devastator decision

@keernalc5423

7 ай бұрын

16/16

Tomer saying "Dinosaurs are B tier dragons" gets him thrown out the Timer club

The amount of distain that Crim and Richard have for Timmy players is just... Etali is so Timmy because it's huge and random and (critically) requires absolutely no setup. The difference between Timmy and Spike is the amount of setup required

Verdant force was even the example they gave for Timmy way back in WoTc's original article :D

I’d maybe throw in Atraxa, Grand Unifier. A massive creature, with a bunch of abilities, a high and color-demanding mana-cost, and oh boy! I can draw like 9 cards with this! A lot of the best creatures for Reanimation are Timmy cards

Timmies do be loving Dinosaurs. Lmao

Justice for Yargle and Multani! Justice! JUSTICE!!!

Should’ve added an X cost hydra. When I first started playing the idea of being able to make something as big as possible seemed so absolutely broken

Hot Take: Yargle and Multani is a sleeper Johnny card. Because of the low toughness, the best way to play it in Commander is to use a bunch of cards that let you take advantage of the high power without actually having to fight with it. Not exactly a Timmy playstyle.

@SamuelKacerik

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, throw it into Greater Good.

The screw-ups from ChatGPT in this bracket show why a human (i.e. Phil) is needed to break ties.

Funny how Seth said Avacyn over Yargle and Multani because Avacyn could beat Y&M in a fight, but if Etali, Primal Sickness and Blightsteel Colossus fought, suddenly that doesn't matter anymore 😂

Desolation twin hoses Yargle and Multani. Timmy starts playing magic. Sees eldrazi. Googles eldrazi and is overwhelmed by keywords and etb's and attack triggers so he starts reading on eldrazi lore and bam - omg two ELDRAZI, unstoppable eldritch beings?!? Sign me up! Plus my Timmy brain got interested when I opened up Shadows over Innistrad block and saw that Avacyn. And then googled and found the original one and my Timmy brain melted. "Omg INDESTRUCTIBLE!!" "HOW CAN YOU EVER BEAT MY INDESTRUCTIBLE THINGS" "EVEN MY LANDS!?!" Goth Angel Dommy Mommy wins over Etali.

That was an amazing episode! Plz do something like that again!

The question is, if you were to build 'the most Timmy deck' who would be your commander. Would it be Ghalta since it is the most Timmy card, or would it be Progenitus so that you can play all the Timmy cards in all the colors?

I mean on Gigantosaurus It is standing on a dragon so clearly Dinosaur is the king of Timmy types!

I’m sure somebody else has said this but unless you are using gpt 4, chat gpt won’t have all the most recent sets and therefore not the most recent cards. It was trained on data I think up until 2021. That might be why it keeps using the wrong card.

This was a great video. I've never yelled at my monitor so much.

ChatGPT making a genuine argument that's on par with the podcast member's ones is insane.

I love me some good timmy cards, but I think I prefer tier lists to the brackets. Rate within the top tier if you need to (Richard normally orders them that way anyway)

Brisela is my Timmy tier 1. The big angel half as your commander solves the 2 card issue and it's so good when it melds.

@dane_anubis6213

7 ай бұрын

To add to this. Blight steel is a serious card. Etali sees standard combo play and is super Timmy with random casts and then you get your big infect finisher. Plus it can be a commander. Very convinced half of you don't actually understand what a Timmy is.

"Fist bump" they said with a snarl. Lol fun show.

My timmy cards back in the day were Fusion Elemental and Kalonian Behemoth. Still have Kalonian Behemoth, it's foil and not warped.

If we're being fair, you should make Brisela its official size on the screen vs the tiny Ghalta. The most Timmy thing is that you're playing a creature that's twice the size as any other card on the battlefield. Tomer's got it right - typed this before he made his argument.

crim! showing respect for the green behemoth that is cloud scraper i salute you. still one of the coolest artworks for impossibly large creatures in magic.

I love Crim mentioning Krosan Cloudscraper right off the bat. Terrible card, but I LOVED it when I was a kid and didn’t know any better.

Ghalta, stampede tyrant is a Timmy that can summon multiple other Timmys. It doesn't get more Timmy then that.

PROTECTION FROM EVERYTHING! 100% Timmy here and I started played magic with EDH in Zendikar block. I had a friend with a Progenitus deck and when I first saw it I just gasped at that line of text. Then we just laughed so hard and just started saying stuff like “He’s got protection from YOU. Protection from the TABLE! Yea but he’s got protection from WINNING! Yea but he’s also got protection from LOSING!” That line of text will forever live in my heart.

There's a serious failure of identifying the criterian when crearures that clearly are power crept are facing against their modern iterations.

I mean if we go by fistbump criterium than colossal dreadmaw!

I think is the first time that I'll say this: Crim was the only one who understood the assignment

On the point of "two normal creatures" taking down Godsire: Serra Angel is an OG Timmy card, and it's a 4/4.