PLEASE NOTE: This video isn't at ALL to say that these issues are dealbreakers for these characters, it isn't to say they're weak (at all). It's just to take an objective look at the issues you WILL face if/when you decide to invest in one or multiple of them. It's an objective meta-ish video, so if that topic doesn't interest you, please be kind about it at least. :) going live on Twitch in about an hour! ➤ twitch: www.twitch.tv/dragonflymarcus DISCLAIMER: There are quite a few other hypercarry units. These 3 just happened to be the subject of this video because of their similarities, good and bad.

@ChrisSmith-tu9bu

Жыл бұрын

I just don't consider Itto in the same category and TBH.. Cyno is basically Xiao and Razors baby...this is why Razor isn't popular in the Meta, whereas Itto can be and is fun ASF to play and kind of broken... only thing holding Itto down is being Geo

@ElloMoto875

Жыл бұрын

You forgot Eula 😂

@loola8908

Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu But his playstyle is a hypercarry. Damage and fun factor have nothing to do with playstyle. He plays as a hypercarry, and he has high damage. And Geo is not really meta anymore tbf

@xiarabell

Жыл бұрын

@@loola8908 as much as i love meta, hoyoverse just slapped us with a big fat NO about adding endgame contents in the future that are similar to abyss.

@Jinx07

Жыл бұрын

@@xiarabell yeah,Im outta meta rn and gonna pull for fun playstyle chars from now.I think I am strong enough to tackle abyss rn

Support Impact is hard to escape indeed. Wish Noelle's burst behavior was more of a thing, you can swap off and back to her during her burst, and it will still stay up.

@tinkerer3399

Жыл бұрын

That's because Noelle is a queen and the rest of these characters are plebs. Mainly kidding but yeah, it would be nice. It would also be nice to have characters who combine support and dashing.

@orneast4154

Жыл бұрын

You forgot about diluc Q too

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

Жыл бұрын

@@tinkerer3399 Diluc can keep his burst up too, the problems is that uh.. they're kinda weak af.

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

Жыл бұрын

The interesting thing is, out of all the carries, only Itto has a dedicated support for him, well and now Noelle because of the same kit but like only Itto has a dedicated support and none of the other hypercarry's do, Itto gets buried because haha, he's Geo and uh, geo is hard bottle necked compared to reaction comps. The only carry in this game that really works completely is Raiden and part of that is because she's not even a true field hungry hypercarry DPS. Bizarre.

@ej4346

Жыл бұрын

I agree 💯! The issue with Cyno's long burst (outlasting buffs and dendro auras) can be alleviated if swapping out does not remove his burst state like Diluc and Noelle.

Albedo’s skill also lasts a whopping 30 seconds and provides a mass amount of off field damage regardless of who he’s supporting

@sethchandler4170

Жыл бұрын

He also gives a 125 elemental mastery buff to his party. He fits into a lot of different teams that are fun. I like slapping him with other characters that shouldn't make sense but are fun. Pairing him with venti is good times. At a certain point outside of the abyss reactions don't mean a whole lot because of how fast things die anyways. His damage is so consistent and so non intrusive. Ganyu is fun to use with him too.

@avej99

Жыл бұрын

@@sethchandler4170 elemental mastery on a geo unit just seems soo useless for him but it’s amazing as a support ability on the right team

@staroboom4880

Жыл бұрын

I think albedo is good as a defensive option too on reaction teams like double hydro Hu Tao cyno Aggrevate diluc vape etc with frequent crystalise

@saeranchoi3343

Жыл бұрын

@@sethchandler4170 So they screwed Xiao over real good huh. He’s the only anemo so far that doesn’t benefit from EM

@frankenstein-hz1bi

Жыл бұрын

@@saeranchoi3343 even so, xiao DOES work stupidly well with albedo despite not having an EM buff so the sentiment still applies imo

when everyone forgets the first hypercarry: Razor

@Sanjana679

Жыл бұрын

Honestly 😭😭

@Frost-fu7ec

Жыл бұрын

@@Sanjana679 laughs in long field time + sub par dps

@lebendig8204

Жыл бұрын

Eula? I mean she's a burst dps too but eh idk lmao

@Frost-fu7ec

Жыл бұрын

@@lebendig8204 razor is a 1.0 character... eula isnt...?

@lebendig8204

Жыл бұрын

@@Frost-fu7ec nah nah I was sort of saying no one mentioned eula too but I'm confused myself if she is a hypercarry, nah she is definitely, it had nothing to do with being the first hypercarry or whatever lol

I thought that Eula is also considered a Hypercarry but then i remembered that she only takes 7s of field time and then followed by 7s of Raiden burst so Raiden Eula team is kind of a Burst Quickswap team.

@neoperol

Жыл бұрын

Eula is a bid off because even thought after she Burst she needs a set time for her her final hit to land (Backloaded) she doesn't do MEH damage without her Burst like Itto, Xiao, Cyno or Baal. That is why Melt Eula is a thing.

@OlBlO2l2lllZ

Жыл бұрын

And if you have C6 that shortens more into 3-5 seconds 😂 Depends on the frame rate of the device your working with.

@sensibleDuck893

Жыл бұрын

@@neoperol Even without Melt , Eula can easily do like 20-30k normal attacks which are impressive considering that she's mainly known for her burst dmg.

@JohnJillky

Жыл бұрын

Not really. They still have animations, so you'll really be on them like 20ish seconds between the 2.

@ChrisSmith-tu9bu

Жыл бұрын

Hypercarry is kind of a subjective term but yeah guys like Razor and Cyno have those long uninterrupted bursts....I mean technically Yangfei could be a hypercarry too

After investing heavily in Itto and mono geo I would have to really love the character to pull another hyper carry. They cost so much just to always run the same team with few/no other options

@ChrisSmith-tu9bu

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I hate characters with strict team restrictions...I wanna play Melt Ganyu but I don't have a good shielder and I wanna play Freeze Ganyu but I don't have a good enough hydro applier...wheras I can just play teams like Taser all four stars with a variety of different characters

@el7284

Жыл бұрын

Raiden, Ayaka, Hu Tao.

@erinknightingale251

Жыл бұрын

I kind of regret getting ayaka and itto as my only limited dps characters.. they only work with one team

@lowskillgamer9109

Жыл бұрын

same ,even before i pulled zhongli and redhorn , itto was still cracked with r5 whiteblind,c0gorou,ninguAN,BENNET

@luck002

Жыл бұрын

I already invested so much on geo char and boy it was so great once Itto was released. Yeah his main downside is he is very reliant with Gorou and Albedo with Kuki in the flex spot. I dont put zhongli here because he is stuck in Hutao comp. Kuki's E provides unlimited crystalize and non stop heals and I feel safer this way. Regarding Cyno, well I got him C1 and I'm still struggling finding the best team comp for him. I need a dedicated Dendro healer like Kuki whose E follows us and can apply element constantly while healing.

Itto is in the best spot as it concerns the long "hypercarry" burst duration because his supports cater directly to this playstyle and need minimal field time while having long lasting benefits through their skills/bursts. Albedo's burst is hardly useful and you only need to use his E, Zhongli only needs to use his hold E to provide most of his value and Gorou provides most of his benefits through his skill alone (although you will use his burst when available)...This makes cycling through a rotation very quick and puts Itto in a very similar situation as cyno when itto is at C2 because the downtime between his burst ending and the CD being up is only 2-3 seconds. As a result of this comparison, it becomes clear that Cyno needs a dendro applicator with a similar function to Albedo. Short fieldtime, high passive damage and long lasting application. but yes, Itto is expensive to reach his ceiling, but I would argue his ceiling is higher than all other hypercarrys and IS accessible rather than being hypothetical and non synergistic as is the case for Xiao and Cyno. Geo also benefits from there being geo vulnerable enemies and structures such as rifthounds and shields. All in all, I think geo is the most valuable hypercarry archetype to invest in.

@tinkerer3399

Жыл бұрын

While Itto is expensive I do think he has one big advantage. His artifact set is so insanely tailored to him that farming it actually feels like it you are making a long term investment. When I'm farming for Hu Tao or Yoimiya I always get the feeling that next week they could drop an improved artifact set for them which would make my previous farming obsolete. With Itto it is so tailor made for him that if I get a fantastic piece of gear I am confident it will stay good on him for at least a year, maybe 2 or 3.

@kerosblue5609

Жыл бұрын

A problem with Itto is that his supports only work with him, Xiao and Cyno supports are more versatile and usable in other teams.

@paulyu535

Жыл бұрын

@@kerosblue5609 that matters less long term, even being f2p

@xxri

Жыл бұрын

i think that dendro applicator will be nahida, although she'd be super inacessible :( i use him with collei because hehe manga characters but her burst is so short its sad

@shadow3oni

Жыл бұрын

@@kerosblue5609 the only support that only works with him is gorou, and thats factoring out the buff he gives to albedo, and obviously if you dont use itto, noelle, but outside of that albedo is used in other teams as well, not like its the best but he still works

I honestly don’t mind the amount of effort to build hypercarries but it can be concerning when they *don’t* have at least somewhat proper components available already I like Itto cuz even though he’s got extremely specific needs, I at least already know what to shoot for Gorou c6, Albedo, Zhongli, Husk, Redhorn But with Xiao and especially Cyno, waiting with bated breath for characters that can support them the same way Itto’s mono geo team does is torture

@Jinx07

Жыл бұрын

I play hypercarries cuz I kinda feel like the main character and others supporting me.Besides the abyss has two sides so having hypercarry on one side and reaction on the other side doesnt hurt. Also since hoyo's recent concern about our "AnXiTeY" I am gonna stop thinking too much bout meta.Just gonna stick with chars that I enjoy

@Scrayla

Жыл бұрын

i run xiao with jean albedo and zhongli. works like a charm. I honestly think that's his best team by far with everything he needs: heals, battery, off field dmg (albedo), geo + anemo resonance, anemo shred and shield. Easily does 60-70k per plunge depending on enemy resistances and can go up to 80-90k dps with albedo's flower proccing alongside the plunge. Cyno is the only one atm that doesn't have fully optimal teammates to run alongside him. For now I'm running dendro traveller, cyno, albedo and zhongli and it works alright for now. Hoping he'll get more dedicated supports in the future though (esp an electro or dendro shielder because i only have one zhongli to share) so i can reliably run two hyper carries on both sides of the abyss xD

@vittoriorusso3437

Жыл бұрын

Itto doesn't need the redhorn when you already have gorou c6, zhongli, albedo. A Whiteblind r5 is enough

"idc man, I paid for the character so am gonna use him for the majority of the field time" - This is what goes on in the minds of us hypercarry mains. Quick swap characters like XL, XQ, Raiden etc etc are super meta but they are so saturated in this community that clearing abyss with them doesn't even feel like an achievement anymore, its like "I was able to do what only 100 million other people were able to do", basically, its like walking in the park, no challenge at all. I was also in the phase where I used only national variations for like 3 consecutive cycles, and then the fun faded out. Nowadays I am playing characters like Itto, Diluc, Kokomi etc and after clearing abyss with 36 stars I get a warm feeling like 'yeah my fav character is still good'

@justinxu8205

Жыл бұрын

Why do people keep saying this. His argument is "hypercarry units aren't top meta", not "hypercarry units aren't fun to play". It's like someone mentioning "salads are healthier than fast food" and some people going "iDc fAsT fOoD tAsTeS gOoD tO mE" its true for you but not at all what's being discussed lmao

@shawb2157

Жыл бұрын

@@justinxu8205 my comment is not a counter argument its more like telling the community as a late end game player that don't be influenced with KZread videos titled like "The BIG problem with hypercarries" and just try out diverse teams, the best way to have fun with this game. You shouldn't be forced to build the same set of characters everyone is building and one shouldn't be scared of showing their personality through their account.

@susvinci9274

Жыл бұрын

In other word, "don't be meta slaves". Use meta to make the games fun for you.

@justinxu8205

Жыл бұрын

@@shawb2157 All valid points, but again not very relevant to the video. People are going to have fun in their own way, whether it's by being a meta slave or just playing what they like, and I don't think the video infringes on any of that. The video is making objective arguments about viability of different hyper carries, and you're out here saying "idc I play what I like".

@jeremiahsmith916

Жыл бұрын

@@justinxu8205 I take it you never had an experience of literally the entire internet shitting on your favorite character saying "he's weak trash, has no supports, use Xiangling instead"? Because you seem to be oblivious how vicious this game's community gets the second they find out you're playing your way instead of the meta way. Your point would be valid if people were really accepting of everyone playing how they like. But it's not like that, unfortunately. Imagine every time your fave reruns your entire socials are covered in "save your pulls", "don't wish for X", "X fell off", "X is obsolete/outclassed" etc. Even if you start out as a totally chill person, this crap really wears out your nerves with time. Obligatory anecdote to illustrate my point: I got told I “don’t know how to play the game” just because I prefer to not use Gorou with my Itto. I just don’t enjoy playing support impact, I prefer spending some additional time for getting better artifacts and just go unga bunga, it’s more fun for me. My Itto and Xiao have good stats and carry me through the harder content without issues, so I don’t see it hindering my account in any way, like this video tries to doompost. So I don’t think characters deserved to be touted as “A BiG PrObLeM”. The game is literally beatable with any cast you like and some skill.

Cyno and Xiao using Zhongli: I sleep Itto using Zhongli AND Albedo: suddenly EXPENSIVE

Not to shade on anyone, but you’re one of the standout CC for me because your videos are creative and are not limited to guides alone. Thanks for adding variety to my feed!

@Melissa-zr6zw

Жыл бұрын

I can’t think of any genshin ccs who only make guides though? they all do non-guide videos too

@lost863

Жыл бұрын

@@Melissa-zr6zw jayhoon

I'm a Xiao main since his debut. Still waiting for a dedicated anemo support. Hope we finally get one in Scaramouche's release 🙏

@fa_rook_ak94

Жыл бұрын

If you're up for some experimenting, try a taser comp with Xiao as the driver. I tried Raiden, Beidou, Xiao, Xingqiu and it works quite well, Beidou and Xingqiu's ults for Xiao swirl and Raiden batteries them all up. Xingqiu's swords also heal xiao so it kinda works. I enjoy watching his AAs, so that's why I tried the comp, it isn't abyss worthy but it's fun to watch the swirls. Another comp I want to try is the AA buff from Yunjin or Candace, but I'm having a hard time with Yunjin's ER.

@greentea3126

Жыл бұрын

Too bad scara is dps, hoyo neglect Xiao

@anythingc

Жыл бұрын

@@greentea3126 Scaramouche might be Xiao's saviour, because as others pointed out there might be a new domain with new brand anemo resistance shred artifacts and most imporantly, which Xiao main wouldnt like to have anemo main dps for both chambers at each level of abyss?

@2triedforthis830

Жыл бұрын

@@anythingc honestly I just hope that said 4* on scaramouches banner will be enough but I’m doubting there gonna make her anything special and will be locked by cons :((

@debopamdutta1530

Жыл бұрын

@@greentea3126 Faruzan

This doesn't only apply to hypercarries, but also Shenhe and Nilou. They too want very specific teams to be effective.

@kwayke9

Жыл бұрын

Even worse for Nilou. She's basically gimped for the first couple weeks because no Nahida

@whyamihere6438

Жыл бұрын

shenhe is always paired up with another cryo but atleast cryo teams can have different types, we have freeze, mono cryo, reverse melt and physical but ig rosaria beats out shenhe is physical. Nilou has it the worse, you can only run hydro and dendro in her team which sucks

@MikuVocaloidHD

Жыл бұрын

@@kwayke9 it doesn't seem like nahida fits her that much either

@ronnie1092

Жыл бұрын

why is this so bad? makes you get more creative and not just slap Sucrose Bennett and Xingqiu or similar characters in every team if they perform great in that one or two specific teams I see no problem and besides, you can clear the game content with any team you want anyway

@angelazhang1083

Жыл бұрын

and gorou. i feel like its a desperate attempt to stop powercreep on mhy's part

I think Cyno falls into a slightly different category because he can use reactions well or build into selfish attack stats. His ability to go either thundering or gilded, or even gladiators is pretty versatile

@ramoncastro4737

Жыл бұрын

I have a 4 piece gladiator's attack on cyno and works well. I just need a CRIT rate or DMG circlet for him. For now, I have a HP one.

@ByiLHS

Жыл бұрын

@@ramoncastro4737 I believe in you, you'll get that crit one. I've been playing for 4 months and only have one XD

@ramoncastro4737

Жыл бұрын

@@ByiLHS thanks. I've been playing for a little longer than that and just got a DEF and HP circlet of glad finale

@gimmickpuppet2181

Жыл бұрын

4pcs Thunder fury is so good on him if you run him on elemental reaction team first while on burst his skil is just spam

@smaddeningmode8785

Жыл бұрын

Agree with this, i've run him on both sides of current and previous abyss on Taser, Aggravate, Hyperbloom, and even National. Even the choice of Beidou vs Fischl as the 2nd electro already changes the team's flavor and preferred matchups. He may not be the particular best choice for all those teams, but he's a decent choice for all those archetypes which imo makes him more flexible than other on-fielders.

I was following along and listening until you mentioned Itto The only thing Itto really needs to get his damage going is a Whiteblind and a C0 Gorou, he will dish out enough damage to clear floor 12 even if not 36 starring it.

@acardoza1234

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he's incredibly easy to build and scale up in my opinion. I will admit he is limited to fewer team variations based on his element being Geo, but if you're cool with that then he'll do great for you.

@Mantoire

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was very iffy "Needs his best 5stars teammates and 5star weapon to reach his ceiling" Damn that totally does not apply to the rest of the DPS roster and is completely unique to Itto + His C1 and C2 are barely a 5% DPS increase combined and are merely for QoL

@redace4821

Жыл бұрын

Hell even Serpent Spine is enough to surpass Whiteblind and close to Redhorn. And presumably luck is jack shit, getting Serpent Spine is much easier than Redhorn.

@JackisCharming

Жыл бұрын

This. I pretty much agreed with everything up to that point but when he said that about Itto, I laughed out loud. Most everything I have seen (as well as my own experience) says he's an top tier carry assuming he has Gorou.

@dxstopia

Жыл бұрын

agreed

"Imagine losing the burst after swap as a hypercarry, cant relate" -Noelle

@orneast4154

Жыл бұрын

Diluc to

@extrastuffboxofaksakl1k354

Жыл бұрын

@@orneast4154 don't cancel me but i use him as a quickswap- Idk why but i do more damage in that way.

@2triedforthis830

Жыл бұрын

Diluc as well😻

Xiao I feel is just held back so much by HYV neglecting him especially with his compatible teammates. Cyno is in a similar case but only because there are few dendro characters as of right now though with more characters coming in the future I'm sure he'll have some more options. Itto though I always see this narrative that you NEED Zhongli and Albedo and his signature weapon which I disagree with since as long as you have Gorou with him you easily can run geo MC or Ningguang and then a flex slot either with Bennett, Fischl, Xiangling, or even Kaeya. With Gorou anything after C3 is just icing on the cake and you really only need to level his skill. The only big issue with Itto is that his BiS artifact set is in a pretty resin-inefficient domain but other than that his Cons are more quality of life than anything and he has access to a couple of good 4star options with Whiteblind, Serpentspine, or even sac greatsword. I don't think he's amazing at low investment but I also see the same narrative that he NEEDS crazy expensive investment when that really isn't the case.

@jadecoolness101

Жыл бұрын

I mean, no one is really great at low investment tbh. This idea that "you NEED x character for them to work" is scraping the bottom to the barrel searching for complaints because everyone has a teammate they want. I can't remember the last time I've seen someone play Tao without Zhongli or Xingqiu.

@nightday2030

Жыл бұрын

@@jadecoolness101 There's no such thing as "outstanding" DMG with free to play budget build (knowing what game it is); only the term "viable" , "adequate", or "okay" are there for F2P. Seriously, every character in this game (5*) is expensive in the surface.

@jadecoolness101

Жыл бұрын

@@nightday2030 I'd argue some are pretty dang good for ftp, but yes, if you want their best, you gotta spend money. I would honestly argue that Itto is one of the more ftp friendly options for a main dps because he can literally fight anything other than geo hypostasis and geo slimes. I'm functionally ftp (bought Diluc's skin, which doesn't affect my "meta" abilities) and Itto has carried me to 36 stars in EVERY abyss, ever since he released. Itto always has his best 4 star (Gorou) with him on banners, and Gorou only really needs to be C0, only level up his skill, and he does his job great. I don't even have Itto's weapon, I use Skyward Pride, but Whiteblind (craftable 4 star claymore) is also very good on him. Itto can fight and destroy any elemental shield, so hudro lectors etc aren't a concern. Even this current abyss with the robot that wants catalyze, I run mono geo and just brute force beat it in under 1 minute.

@febbbm2002

Жыл бұрын

Honestly agree. While C6 Gorou is just too good for him, C3 Gorou still works fine. And he needs Albedo more than Zhongli

Itto has a really strong 4 star option, the Whiteblind. It's fantastic on him. Ningguang also works with Itto as a support (specifically using the Noblesse set).

@Saturos226

Жыл бұрын

I use Ningguang with noblesse and ttods in my double anemo double geo Xiao team, she is a good support!

@erinknightingale251

Жыл бұрын

even geo mc is not bad with him and his best support (gorou) is very easy to build. No way is itto worse than xiao.

@totsbig

Жыл бұрын

This is correct. Ningguang is the closest thing to an Albedo for a Noelle/Itto hypercarry/mono-geo team. Her Noblesse timings fit almost perfectly to her Q downtime. And her E is also a battery. And if you don't have Zhongli while being defensive with your playstyle? Put Proto Amber on her instead of TTDS. Her 12sec/40 energy cost Q is abuse-able. Supports like a charm, oddly enough.

🌸😹I would utter hypercarries are not as vexing for me personally as I adore characters that yield a vast on-field presence!😹🌸

@dragonflymarcus

Жыл бұрын

SAME, if im gonna play a character i wanna see them on the field for a long time hehehehe agree agree

@yanxii1527

Жыл бұрын

@@dragonflymarcus facts, Common Dragonfly W

@tpayne3252

Жыл бұрын

@@dragonflymarcus truu

Since I have the Mono geo team members, I've been working towards triple crowning my Itto because the team is just so enjoyable to play for me. Albedo and Zhongli's constructs combined do so much residual dmg and because Zhongli is a core member on the team you're pretty much invincible. I even farmed up a dps Zhongli just to get more dmg overall because survivability isn't an issue 😅

I don't think Itto really fits. Xiao and Cyno both have problems with long onfield time, and a lack of supports that synergize with them. Idk why Itto was thrown into this video when his obstacles are like completely different. Itto has a super strong and synergistic team. His problem is just that this units are mostly parasitic with each other. They don't really synergize with units outside of their mono geo team. But Xiao and Cyno do not have that problem.

@hyakkimaru5325

Жыл бұрын

I would say he is expensive time wise to invest in, but price wise not at all. They kept throwing in his constellations and weapons that u need in the vid which is completely wrong, I don’t have either and my rotation and damage is excelling past most of my characters. And the gorou part I would say is 50/50 yes he was made for itto specifically, but that doesn’t mean itto isn’t good without him like the vid was implying. Bennet and mona run just fine with him, they just don’t benefit which with a whole geo team bc gorou buffs specifically for geo on the whole team. You could say u need zhongli but everyone has him so I don’t see the problem, and Albedo is probably the only actually expensive investment for him. He adds a great addition if your willing to save and/or spend

And then there's hyper raiden and eula sipping tea in the background.

@sohailape

Жыл бұрын

They both only takes 7 seconds tho.

@dragonflymarcus

Жыл бұрын

LOVE THEM, but I wanted to use this video to discuss these 3 since they’re so blatantly investment-heavy and greedy but yes I love hyper Raiden

@futanahriadventures

Жыл бұрын

@@sohailape For sure. They aren't as greedy in field-time, but are still considered hyper carries.

@kevinkarthik3329

Жыл бұрын

@@sohailape still a hypercarry

@aerohydra3849

Жыл бұрын

Both actually take quite a bit more bc of hitlag, usually Eula take around 12-13 seconds in reality while raiden take around 10-11 second. This is why despite looking good on paper Eula raiden pairing is actually not so good in reality due to rotation extension.

I still pulled for Cyno lol .. i love him

This is why I like characters like Kokomi and Yae Miko that can be the "hyper carry" or main dps of them team if built around and can still provide support it diffent ways. Even characters like Ayaka and Yomiya aren't as selfish that I use are every nice!

@nightday2030

Жыл бұрын

You forget about Ayato dude.

Itto is my most heavily invested character but I'm not even mad bc I love him. He's a fun guy and when you've gotten good pieces, redhorn, gorou, and zhongli... no complaints. I think his design makes a lot of sense in that he gets a lot of field time but his burst itself doesn't run for so long that gorou's buff and zhongli's shield will run out in the middle of its duration

I’m hoping that Nahida will be the dendro applicator support we need.

@jeslinmx22

Жыл бұрын

Came here for this. Certain...knowledgeable players have revealed that Nahida's kit has long lasting Dendro application, like, Raiden level in terms of duration and consistency. Should be able to keep up with Cyno.

@nat6lbg440

Жыл бұрын

I watch leaks, Yes she is.

I love how you put Itto, Xiao and Cyno in that specific order.. cause that's the order on who I obtained/loved first to most recent. I also main all 3 of them :D (still working on Cyno's team]

For Xiao who doesn't like to come outside the Wanshu Inn, he sure does take up a lot of field time.

Honestly, as soon as we get 4~6 more dendro supports watch him become "meta" like Yoimiya. The only reason you'd pull a character anyway is because you like them 🙏meta legit non-exsitent since Mihoyo confirmed no more harder abyss and CURRENT abyss can be done when any decently invested char

@ChrisSmith-tu9bu

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Yeah but isn't that when youd summon him as well and not now

@fumiko203

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Yoimiya still trash and not meta, cyno is kinda good cause future dendro characters meanwhile yoimiya still missing her arrow

@yanxii1527

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@@fumiko203 💀 In which universe bro? Yoimiya easily top tier dps. missing arrows is a bug that they fixed. her dmg is still very good

@yanxii1527

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@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu wdym?

@blin9304

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@@yanxii1527 they meant not for now

I don't know too much yet about the nuances with team build, but Xiao's play style makes sense character wise at least :' ) Probably based off how he believes he doesn't need help and can do things himself.

Loved this video. For a genshin noob, it was so easy to follow and understand. I can't wait for more. Will you do more video to discuss the different types of carry you mentioned?

I'm seem to be into the unga bunga DPS as I main both Itto and Cyno. I'm building Cyno so I'm not experienced yet, but I have had a long time playing Itto and keep coming back to him. He's my most invested unit (the unit actually got me to spend to get SS). I got him his C6 boyfriend and best shielder. He's my best dps and I keep bring him to the hardest floor of the Abyss despite elemental shields everywhere.

@sydneycrocodile

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I play hypercarry impact since i main xiao, itto and cyno 🗿

this is why I decided to pull for Cyno after getting a good dendro support or sub dps (i.e. Nahida) - I saw that his main function was aggravate or quicken and knew I was going to have the same issues with Itto. I love my boy but it would be sad to have him benched.

I have all three, I like selfish DPS characters, but Cyno is my favorite 😌💗 I'm looking forward to what future dendro characters will bring to the table (I hope YaoYao is good with him, she is so adorable)

Didn't even realize that my three favorite characters are all hypercarries lol My Itto team is still probably my strongest I have right now, even with my c0 Gorou but I'm sure that is mostly due to Albedo. Hopefully Cyno gets some more characters that synergize with him better tho, but even without better supports he's doing great damage in my teams I've been using with him. Most of my abyss floors were finished within 2 full burst rotations, without much energy problems either. But definitely require the big investments, cause all three of mine were tipple crowned

Itto is good at C0 Serpent Spine if you have his team. With Gorou C6, it becomes very good. While not being a monster like Hu Tao, he has his burst always on and the team synergises very well

For me, I love playing hypercarry characters, I've mained Xiao since his first re-run and I've been playing Cyno since release (I did pull Itto and got his weapon on his rerun but his kit didn't really click with me like Xiao did). I like the simplicity of being able to know that supports-bam, sub-dps-bam = big *enough* dmg. Of course it all does depend on how you like to play and how much time and effort you're willing to put into the exact right team and build for them. I enjoy knowing I like a specific character and being able to see them do more and more dmg the more I invest into them. But again, it all really comes down to how you like to play, and as long as you're enjoying the game, you can play whatever characters you want :)

@Akirachan628

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I feel the same! I wish to invest into Xiao and Cyno as much as possible. I like them, gameplay and lore-wise so It feels natural for me to do so. I depends on ur preferences :)

@benjossie8834

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I think Itto’s biggest issue is fixed with his first constellation. Miraculously won that 50/50 at 35 pity, otherwise I probably wouldn’t use him nearly as often. Without it, not only do you have to invest in all the right artifacts, Gorou, Zhongli, Albedo, etc., but you have to factor in stacking up his superlative superstrength stuff before his burst+charged attacks can go unga bunga on enemies. With C1 they’re already there and you can just immediately jump into charged attacks after activating his burst. Which is to say I absolutely get his kit not clicking with some people. It’s a very selfish kit.

@2triedforthis830

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I feel the same way I like simple characters and if I like them and there able to do a lot of dmg as well is really great imo

And then there's me who has all three of these guys 🤣 it helped that I already had albedo and zhongli as supports for xiao when deciding to also get itto and farming artifacts for him also gave me pieces for both their supports so it was actually pretty efficient!

@adarsh1264

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same here. i use mono geo and my second team is mono anemo. Need Jean to replace venti tho.

Xiao problem will be kinda solved in 3.3 when Scara comes with Faruzan who should be anemo supp for anemo dps

as for cyno , i think nahida will be the most suitable support that can keep up with his insanely long burst duration

Here's an idea for a flexible support character, increases dmg of the next character as they take field time, of course there's limitations like maximum dmg increase is 20-30s, only the next character will get the buff after switching like the TToDD catalyst etc. but it's still a viable support kit now that we have 3 actual long onfield characters.

@zeromailss

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Basically Yelan but reset when switching character or straight up only work on one character that switch after this character, good idea and I think work great for Xiao or Cyno and possible future hypercarry, the buff has to last for at least 18 sec tho

just a thought I had while watching your video, but, how does the matter change if we think about non off-field parties? I was thinking since Nilou is around the corner that probably I would be using her a lot more while playing coop than solo mode. Maybe some characters are built for that purpose, I've been carried lot of times by Xiao whenever there's a healer in the team and can don't mind his HP consumption or rotations and you're purely focused on hitting hard, he's one of the best for the job, haha

Limited options, I guess maybe, there will always be a few that stand out teams like Rational or International that will be the most popular to play. (Which are set teams like Xiao's set teams) Now Raiden is versatile I guess but I feel like every main dps needs a team built around them, wether they need support or sub dps for reactions. I am a Xiao main and he slays with 2x 18% ATK pieces and Blackcliff. The fact that he gives himself crit upon ascension, can use a crit weapon, can use general artifact pieces is what makes him great at not much investment at all. Triple crowning is ofc a bit of work but that's it really, he slays everything.

I use hutao and raiden mainly. How do you categorise them? Hyper carry or quick swap?

idk its just really fun seeing you fav characters on field for so long and they have BIG numbers instead of lots of smol one(i know cyno hits quickly but you also see 20ks, 30ks, 50ks, so on

Ahahaha, as someone who mains the 3 and loves them and their unga bunga, I feel attacked... It took me like a year to be satisfied with my Xiao build and get his weapon, and his anti-synergy with most polearms in the game is another big issue he has. With Itto I was lucky since I was already oversaving for Albedo (for double geo Xiao lmao) and got the entire geo boyband (even c6ing Gorou in the rerun). With Cyno my build is popping but I'm at a loss with his current teams and I'm constantly choosing between survivability vs buff/shred/dmg. But yeah, it sucks that you put so much effort on them and getting their supports, when you can just pick rational/permafreeze/Hu Tao vape on abyss and do it faster (at least I do love playing my Ayaka team tho!) Overall, I think the most criticized part about Cyno by Cyno mains rn isn't that much the long rotation but the fact he's so squishy in his burst, just like Xiao. The kit says he has resistance to interruption but that's not true in practice. Raiden, Eula, and Itto do have a good one so we expected Cyno would get it as well but nope. That forces you to bring Zhongli/Beidou/Xingqiu or a healer with good synergy, and even their talents can easily die down during the burst and you're fucked. That said, in this abyss I 9/9'd floor 12 with Xiao and Cyno and it felt so satisfying! They died a couple of times and I had to do a second run to put Zhongli on Cyno's half instead and get a star I was missing, but I did it! Take that, meta! It's doable!

Albedo is a tailor-made support for Hypercarries since his off-field damage skill lasts for 30 seconds, while enabling access to Geo resonance alongside Zhongli. Those two characters, alongside high personal scalings to compensate for the lack of reaction multiplicative damage, are why Xiao and Itto mono-Geo haven't fallen behind as much as they otherwise would. Xiao has it worse in that there are only THREE ways to reduce Anemo resistance. Zhongli's Skill. Jean's C4. Anemo Traveller's C6. The first two are the only ones that aren't a meme, but one of them is not only Constellation-locked but a Standard 5* Constellation-locked. It's also why Cyno suffers the most out of the three. Cyno requires a Dendro enabler, and there isn't Dendro and Electro support equivalent. He NEEDS to run a Dendro character, which at the moment only exists as off-field damage. He also really likes a shield and only Zhongli offers one for the full duration of Cyno's burst, Diona is an okay alternative that won't interfere with reactions, but BOTH are out of element support. Then you're left with either running double Dendro for more EM, or double Electro for the lower ER% requirement. Fischl being the obvious choice here to further reduce ER% requirement, though a high invested Beidou support with 200%+ ER CAN work. All of which culminates in a Hypercarry built around a specific reaction but lacks easy access to VV support (with forgoing a Shield and running Jean your only option) and lacks both in-element and secondary element impactful support that isn't off-field Sub-DPS. Cyno would benefit greatly from either an Anemo Shielder (over Zhongli/Diona with access to VV), a Dendro Shielder with off-field Dendro application (over Zhongli/Diona freeing up room for Sucrose/Kazuha with VV) OR an Electro Bennett equivalent (Heal and lower ER% requirement would overall increase his team variation, lessen the need for shields and let you use Anemo support that isn't Jean).

@EvumeimeiDingzai

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Venti c2 also reduces anemo resistance moderately but otherwise yes

I feel cyno is not that difficult to invest in. Worst part about cyno is farming scarabs :D No need to level normal attack talent, only invest in burst and E. Works well enough with a white tassel until you can find better options. Not really that energy hungry despite 80 burst cost because he is on the field getting all the particles. He also still generates energy unlike xiao and razor. Speaking of...poor razor is neglected as THE first hypercarry

What's the difference between quickswap dps and burst dps?

All ur points were valid, and it justifies why just after cyno and nilou release, we have nahida, with a whopping 25 sec skill uptime and 6 sec cooldown. And today, with Wanderer, we'll be getting faruzan, who will benefit both Wanderer and Xiao as the technically first anemo dps buffer

I really like having hypercarry dps, just a preference, i rarely use quick swap teams, as for Ayaka as a "burst dps" i use her as a hypercarry because i like her and she is strong, i make full use of her charged attacks because the damage is still impressive and the rest of the team buff her damage. My other main teams are mono geo with Itto and Ayato team where everyone buffs ayato's skill damage, i guess it feels more like a quick swap team because his skill time is short but he deals a tonne of damage in that time. I like these kinds of teams because i only have to heavily invest in one character and the supports can use supportive weapons and less then desirable artifact stats (also my artifact luck sucks so only having to focus on one character over 3 or 4 is easier for me, i still don't even have one decent emblem set after all this time), so i don't mind that their team comps are limited especially because i wished for these hypercarry characters because i liked them, but i completely understand people who disagree with me, and I understand the issues stated in the video. Also i used a Cyno, traveler, fischl and zhongli team in the abyss and was able to clear it, i never thought i would use the traveler in the abyss, but leveled her just for Cyno but i can understand people not wanting to use the traveler but people are acting like Cyno has no team options at the moment, because i just cleared the abyss with this team, i feel more comfortable skipping Nahida since i don't need her for Cyno at the moment and there are more interesting characters for me coming out later.

The geo team is great,basically clears up a whole half in the abyss. They all are very tanky and combined with zhongli’s shield, death was never a thing in my runs lol. Very satisfying and fun to play while still dealing big amounts of dmg all the time. Never benched this team

Definitely waiting to hear who or what makes Cyno a sick nasty unit to play right now. I haven't gotten him yet, but working on the (free) pulls. I hear everyone is holding out for Kusanali to significantly improve his combat ability, but I have no idea how that will do the trick at all.

@2triedforthis830

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Because her burst is quite long and it’s kinda like raidens e with nahidas e and her burst your applying dendro a lot. Trust me nahida will solve both cynos and Nilou problems😊

You have the most unique opinions and video ideas man

Its was a friend's suggestion that I push my benched Itto to C2 and get Redhorn. It was worth and building my other team became so flexible

6:39 I see what you did there xD (Team work and Benny ult)

Correct me if im wrong but wouldn't making their burst snapshot buffs fix this issue ?

IMO Cyno is an improved iteration of the hypercarry flavor compared with Xiao and Ito, because, as you mentioned, he: - Can capitalize on amplify reactions. - Is viable with common support characters (Zhongli, (Xingqiu, Yelan, Fichl to a lesser extent). In addition, his 4 seconds e-burst windows make it less punishing to swap out immediately on proc #2/3. So there's some degree of flexibility than Xiao and Ito, whose max DPS are consistent over time. At the end of day, he is probably still harder to min-max compared with Hutao and Ayaka etc, but I am glad that the power gap is getting closer now.

Still love my C0 Itto with R1 Redhorn, 70cr/260cd and 2500 def. My Gorou is sadly C0 too, no luck getting him despite saving primos and pulling on every banner he is on..... Still, my Itto spanks. Xiao is another story, investment to get high numbers from him is insane. I think I top out at 40k per plunge and that is with Jade spear and a decent set of his personalized artifacts. He is still only lvl 80 though, need to AR50 that account but I have so many its tough to find the time. Just got Cyno on one of my baby accounts, as with all the hyper carries he is great at lvl 40, particularly seeing as I lucked out and pulled his weapon too. Free to play on my alt accounts and dolphin on my main AR60 account (welkin and a few BPs). Alt accounts are a great way to try different characters. It saves me having to invest in building too many on my main account, if I like a character a lot then I build it on my main.

I totally agree with the itto part. I main itto and has crowned the whole mono geo team. It is a very heavy investment but the ease of playing geo on abyss is very helpful bc geo is a neutral element that doesnt amplify. So you get consistent damage Building albedo was the best thing for mono geo bc his off field damage totally helps itto. It happens i have zhongli and albedo already then itto and gorou came that feels like the missing to the puzzle

Can u give me a idea how much damage itto can do in c0 with signeture weapon and c6 gorou zhongli albedo??

When I tried cyno, I remembered the reason why I skipped itto twice.. also why my triple crown xiao is benched immediately after getting his namecard. I love them all for their personality nd design, but sadly their playstyle is not for me. As f2p, I will only pull for them if I have nothing to save for! I’m thinking of getting miko for my tighnari team, cuz I enjoy quick swaps/burst dps more than a hypercarry.

I know Eula isn't considered a hyper carry here but after getting her as my 1st 5 star and struggling with her through much of the early game (easy to build? right...) I made the decision to not pull for hyper carries unless I just liked the character and didn't mind passively farming stuff for them. It payed off for Xiao, because I got decent artifacts for him farming for Kazuha and Venti and recently got Vortex Vanquisher while getting Tignari his Hunters Path (VV is really good on him with Zhongli in the team). Cyno is now in the same boat. He's gonna have to wait for artifacts while I farm for traveller, Collei and Tighnari.

I've had C1 Xiao since his initial release in version 1 of the game and have invested the most time into him. I have R2 Jade Spear (which is pain for an upcoming reason) and a fully optimized gladiator/viri 2-pc for him. His crit rate/dmg ratio is about as good as it can be without perfect luck. He is my favorite and I hope Mihoyo releases a plunge support at some point.

@vulcanx2465

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Sadly Xiao has become a thing of past , and I don't think they'll bother anymore about Xiao , or his supports , now that an artifact set has been introduced for him. I think Xiao chapter is closed by Mihoyo. My sadness is immeasurable :)

i actually have never faced the issues you mentioned with my c0 itto and gorou and my itto isnt even built that well

Itto was my first limited 5 star on my alt account. Got him at like, AR30 or something and I truly felt like the game was against me and actually faced the problem new players have with genshin locking ascension (those goddarned inazuma beetles), AND the problem with hypercarries. I only now could start actively farming for Itto at AR50, because I've had to dedicate all my time to characters that i could easily ascend beyond level 40. Im certainly feeling the anxiety to gather enough pulls or succumb to swiping to get Albedo for him. He is a very fun and extremely strong character yes, but it is very sad that he isnt F2P friendly.

What's the difference between quick swap and burst dps? Ayaka, keqing and like ningguang all seem pretty similar to me

@cleod7439

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In burst teams, all the team job is buff one big damage, that is almost all the teams dps, for example ayaka teams (ninguang teams can be a quickswap or a burst) Example of rotation: rosaria skill and burst, kazuha skill and burst, kokomi jellyfish, ayaka dash, skill, and BURST, kokomi burst, repeat In quickswap teams all the dps of the teams is more distributed, and none characters stay for more of 4 seconds on field, for example keching/fischl agravatte Example of rotation: fischl skill, sucrose skill, burst, collei skill, keching skill, burst, NA, CA, fischl burst, collei skill, sucrose skill, keching skill, burst, NA, CA, repeat

What kind of DPS do you consider Ganyu and Hu Tao?

@ChrisSmith-tu9bu

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Ganyu is in her own category because shes not tied to a burst duration and can also be played as a sub DPS with her burst

well i'm playing Cyno with Nahida and Kuki (and Nari for spread/aggravate team, sometimes Xingqiu for hyperbloom) and honestly, it is kinda fun and works pretty well. Since you're not flying in the air like with Xiao, dodging is not that hard, i just like using healers. And he is a bit energy hungry but honestly? It's not that big issue. When he's burst ends, it's already half charged. By the time i'll make a rotation and play other characters, it's usually ready to use again. Also i like using Tighnari since he can work as a dps while Cyno's burst is charging. Like, i guess he's not the most universal unit, but still you have plenty of options and he's certainly fun to play. I've never regretted pulling for him

From my experience, Cyno taking an "insane" amount of field time is only if you're trying to stay the entire 18 sec, which IMO is a very bad way of playing him. I've found that switching him off after the 3rd eye (around 12-13s in) allow for much smoother rotation. That's when Oz and DMC ult wear off, and ZL shield or Beidou ult has only 1-2 sec left as well. The cooldowns of your entire team also line up perfectly on a shorter field time. You gain nothing by staying on 18s as well. If you have sufficient ER, you should have enough energy for your next ult by the 3rd eye, even against single target, especially when paired with FIschl. You also lose a shit ton of team damage, so any damage you gain with Cyno is pretty much nullified. Oz or Beidou ult contribute a significant amount of total DPS in that team, and DMC, if you invest in him, can proc some pretty large spread as well. Mine does 20k+ crit right now. There's no reason to stay all 18s outside of a few edge cases, like you want to save CD/energy for the next room, or the boss only have a bit of HP left. I keep hearing people complaining about his field time, but if you play him as I have, he has shorter field time than Xiao, and only 2-3 seconds longer than Hu Tao or Yoimiya. That's not an issue at all. With Kusanali and her long ass duration, and maybe another Electro sub-dps also with long ass duration, we might eventually reach a point where 18s on-field Cyno is optimal. But IMO right now a 12-13s field time is far better.

Since they adding a anemo support for someone upcoming they might be good for xiao too and hopefully provide anemo shred 🤔

I'd say Cyno's best team atm is hyperbloom with Beidou and Xingqiu It solves his survivability issue while relieving some of the dps pressure off him by spreading it out throughout the party, but still allows him to dish out quite a bit of damage through hyperbloom. Xingqiu with his C2 lasts 18 seconds as well which while it won't last through his entire rotation, will help, and Beidou's burst will interact with his burst by being triggered upon normal attacks, won't pop the cores since it only targets enemies, and does insane damage in a setting with lots of targets. Once Nahida drops I'm sure he'll get even better if her kit leaks are reliable too.

@cleod7439

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Hyperbloom only scale with level and em, if you want a cyno hyperbloom teams you'll need to build him full em. A cyno hyperbloom don't will do more damage than a kuki hyperbloom but with more problems, if hyperbloom is the best cyno teams then cyno is the worse promotional character ever

@AllTheNamesIPickedWereTaken

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@@cleod7439 That's not true. Just build him with EM sands on gilded with some EM in substats. In the team I run you'll have 560EM which is around 40k hyperbloom (roughly 20k x 2 procs as hyperbloom hits twice) which is a ton of damage while still maintaining a standard dps build with electro goblet and crit circlet. Your atk will be a little low but you'll still dish out respectable damage while triggering insanely powerful hyperblooms.

My current team for Cyno is Cyno, Jean, Dendro Traveler, and Xinqiu. Jean despite not being as good at using it as say Sucrose, Venti, or Kazuha can still use 4 pc vv for resistance shred and can drop her heals in an instant then get off the field, and Xingqiu makes Cyno's survivability much more consistent with his damage reduction on top of the good damage he does personally with his burst, and Dendro Traveler is of course there as the most efficient off field Dendro Applicator. At current my Traveler struggles with energy generation but that's mostly because I kind of just stole my Mona's 4 pc noblesse set for him and he has no decent goblet currently, while also having a level 60 Sapwood Blade so I'm confident that I can fix his energy issues. My Xingqiu has absolutely no energy issues because he has an R5 Favonius Sword which also allows him to battery anyone else on the team if need be, and my Cyno is using an R5 Kitain Cross Spear which can generate a significant amount of energy using his Elemental Skill on top of the good amount of particles it generates. My Cyno is currently renting out some other characters artifacts so I'm currently struggling between leveling Sapwood Blade and getting an actual set running on Cyno which has been painful as hell, my only decent piece so far being a Gilded Dreams Crit Rate Circlet with 6.2 Crit Damage, 58 EM, and 17% Atk substats. I've got a long road ahead of me.

will u do a guide/review of candace?

Will Cyno work well with Nahida indendro teams?

Itto is my favorite DPS. So much fun to play.

My first five star was Xiao, and I've been trying to adapt to other DPS's, but, I have a difficult time playing anything other than a hypercarry, and I'm really sad that I lost the 50/50 for Cyno and don't have two spear hypercarries. I don't want itto though, I don't like his play style. At some point I hope a cryo hypercarry comes out so I can pair that with the Shenhe I'm planning on getting

As a Keqing & Noelle main.. I love the support options to them. I still will build Cyno as I pulled him and he is super cool. 👌 remember to have fun!

100% right by all means, but a 20sec uptime dendro support is coming next update, and a dedicated anemo support coming the one after it, so, we are not that far are we.?

Nahida hearing about Cyno's problem: Allow me to introduce myself

@kwayke9

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Keqing: Is for me 😳?

@narukami4959

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ok so what is she gonna do about it ??

@ooo1o8o1

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@@narukami4959 according to what people said she is perfect for him with boss , 1 wave of enemies Her c2 help him alot She is good with him but not in all situations

@narukami4959

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@@ooo1o8o1 ah yes c2 with c0 she is mostly better than dmc but she doesnt really fix his problems and nahida has her own teams that are better than cyno teams so i wouldnt use her with him

@cleod7439

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She only resolve the dendro application uptime (that's was no a problem cause dendro traveler already do that) Nahida buff em (dendro traveler already do that) and apply dendro for the entire cynos burst duration (traveler already do that)

Tbf the nice thing about Xiao is that because his damage is as good as it is, you can get away with not really investing in other characters. I didn't get any of the broken supports in the game except for Fischl until AR 55, so having a built Xiao early on especially got me through a lot of content that would have been incredibly difficult otherwise, and most of it was essentially singlehandedly. I still haven't invested in Noelle, who was the shield for him during that period, Fischl works as a battery whether or not you have her built, and I honestly don't remember who the 4th member of that team was.

Hmm well I’ve been using this exact play style for 2 years from now and still not getting old. From Xiao to itto then Cyno now. I hope they get more efficient supports soon. Because I’m a OG player and investing into them wasn’t that hard for me, they also artifact hungry and they’re my only fully invested dps’s by far. So yeah✌️

Never realized this as an Itto main. My team has stayed the same with Itto since his first banner. Itto, Gorou, Ninnguang and Barbara for healing. Sometimes Yun Jin for Geo Supremacy.

damn, the port ormos theme slaps. hm? sorry what did you say? I need to pull for itto constellations???

The only problem i had with raiden hypercarry is that she one shot the bosses before i even learn their skills.

ive only got itto and cyno(i play xiao sometimes on a friends acc) i admit the amount of investment u need is just a lot. Before i got itto i pulled for zhongli and albedo for other reasons, if it wasnt for that i dont know if i would be able to make him as strong as i have today(considering im an f2p) and cyno on the otherhand sort of also needs the same amount of investment to make him do a lil better. Funny thing is these two are my fav dps

As an Itto main, I would agree with what you said here Marcus. Itto is my most invested unit with a good Husk set, R5 SS (I couldn't get his weapon), C6 Gorou and C0 Albedo (just got him) and C0 Zhongli. I love this oni so much and willing to do above and beyond for him. He fcking deserves the best I can give him

I have a c3 Itto and I have to say that it takes a lot of investment to make him work. And it does pay off, he is so strong and fun to use. But yeah a lot of investment has to go in him, from constellations to supports and artifacts.

considering nahida leaks shes like the perfect support for cyno considerin she makes a HUGE dendro dome and her skill marks with cobstant dendro

I was (un)lucky enough to have to spend 153 wishes before my single copy of Itto came home, and I got my c4 Gorou along the way, which meant I was eventually able to get Gorou to c6 with one copy off Itto's rerun banner and one appearing as an off-banner pull. And I've got to agree that Itto requires a HUGE amount of investment. I use him in Spiral Abyss with talent levels 9/9/9, r5 Whiteblind, and a support team of c3 Bennett/c6 Gorou/c0 Albedo. He's definitely not as strong as some of the whaled out ones I've seen but he can hold his own even without Redhorn, Zhongli, or constellations! Honestly I haven't seen too much of a performance difference between his teams with Bennett and Zhongli since Gorou's healing is sufficient to keep him healthy even if his crystallize shields break, so I never bother to dodge. It's really, really unfortunate that Itto and Xiao both really like to have Albedo on their teams. I can do without Zhongli on my Itto team if I have to use him elsewhere, but I hate running Xiao without Albedo's extra damage.

New character releases for right now will get better after 1 or 2 updates patch. This is mihoyo strategy to make you keep pulling for new Characters because they will good in the future. Example I saw is kuki Shinobu.

for me personally, I like characters that take a lot of field time than characters that I have to swap after I used their skills and burst. for me, the nature of swapping everytime can be complicated (I know, skill level issues). there are even rotations that requires you to time everytime you switch on to a character, like 7s before you switch into this character etc. that's why I prefer character that I can change into and don't have to worry about swapping them after this certain period of time.

What about semi hypercarry supports, mainly Kokomi, Noelle, and (weirdly) Hu Tao (CRIT RATE buff)

I personally don't use Cyno with an agravate team, I use Zhongli for the long lasting shield, Cyno for the hypercarry, Xingqui for the Hydro apliance on the enemies and finally Geo Traveller since I don't have Albedo yet. My plan is to funnel all the damage into Cyno while the shield is on with the Geo resonance and then switch him out when the shields or burst run out. Yes I need a lot of ER on my Xingqui and Cyno but it allows me to fully use Cynos Burst with support, while the damage is a bit tuned down

And keqing and yae can outdmg cyno in aggravate teams cuz have access to quickswap and can have 100% up time on vv and reapply dendro aura on new wave of enemies,or mobs what can run/get pushed from dendro mc burst

Xiao has anemo, which is quite flexible, cause he's a good driver for a taser comp as well. You don't need to build him well, just stack EM, and you have a quite a few EM spears to choose from. Probably a good build to try while you farm his artifacts for hyper carry Xiao.

Shows how great raiden is being able to be quickswap and hyper carry 😍

I've always been a big fan of quickswap teams because of dynamic gameplay, flexibility and a huge field for creativity and skill expression, and when i built my one and oni hypercarry i just realized how much i don't like the playstyle. I see my teams as a synergetic mechanism, not just 3 units sacrificing themselves for the sake of one gigachad. Basically, if the game allows me to have a team of four, why playing only one? But there's one really good thing about having a mono geo team specifically: you have complete teambuilding freedom for the other half since no reaction comp would want geo units or would have no alternatives for them

Itto was a perfect storm for me: Personal Mission was to get C0 on all Archons throughout the games life, so by 2.3 had a C1 Zhongli When building towards pity back in 1.2 for Ganyu, ACCIDENTLY hit Albedo who I never had wanted or used Saw Itto and heard his VA and determined that the personal missions should be altered to "All Archons + Itto" entirely for flavor reasons Ended up getting C1 Itto while trying to just get C0 Gorou After seeing all these pieces fall into place (+ Cinnabar Spindle coming out for Albedo), I realized that I had through shear circumstance, stumbled into the near perfect investment for a the Itto Geo team.

30+ CV (critical value) artifacts are also required on these hypercarries which is harder to get than 20cv, thats 10critical rate and 10 critical damage. normally looking for a 1:2 ratio of more than 50/100, preferible 75/(150/200) they need those because of the field time and they are the only one doing damage for the full duration