A lot of people still asking about Tempest Rising and Homeworld 3 Luckily I have videos about them on my channel. Tempest Rising/Homeworld 3 Discussion~! RTS for 80% of the Playerbase kzread.info/dash/bejne/gqyorMeTh7CaaKg.html As well as game play footage Tempest Rising Demo First Playthrough kzread.info/dash/bejne/lmSjxpuzZpXVYaw.html

Y’all notice how all three have similar logos substituting the letter O in their respective titles?

Kinda funny how the title logo for each game stylized only the 'O' in their names.

@starcraftgod1212123

3 ай бұрын

there all the same game reskinned they all share the same mechanics and map creeps... their all LoL/Dota/wc3 & sc2 cop outs. i dont see any of them getting too far. I mean... hell... the Stormgate vanguard is all litterally all terran units weve already had.. mixed with warhammer thier barracks is litterally a sc2 barracks with a tent over it.. the entire front of it IS a sc2 desgin..

@SunStarcz

21 күн бұрын

Of course it is… it is made by the same people that made SC2 . The main developer of SC2 is the main developer of Stromgate. Why they left blizzard is another story. I recommend you go and figure it out.

You know that trend of how every MOBA game seems to have a rather samey look and feel, as if they all had the same artistic style as league of legends and DOTA 2? These RTS games all kind of suffer from that IMO. It didn’t use to be like this. Company of Heroes, Command and Conquer, Dawn of War, Age of Empires, Supreme Commander, etc they were all very visually distinct. The RTS games covered in this video to me frankly all look like Starcraft 2 and I don't mean that as a compliment. These all look like Starcraft 2 knockoffs in the same way that Dark Souls ushered in a wave of many soulslike games most of which turned out to be just trying to emulate the Dark Souls vibe over being something with its own distinctive identity

@Iaotle

5 ай бұрын

This is also a consequence of using engines and modern graphics. Stylized units are much easier to make with low-poly models because you get very distinct shapes and have to be artistic about what you include in the model. Look at WC3 remaster, you went from having a very specific art style and lots of visual clarity to what looks like a completely different game at times, with units looking completely off.

@AL-lh2ht

4 ай бұрын

These games are all in super early development

@Microphunktv-jb3kj

4 ай бұрын

im literally obsessed with dawn of war 2 atm :D never played any warhammer40k game before... very nice artstyle and feeling to the game, playing campaign atm. and planniung to play Eternal mod later.. wich sayd to be taking dow1 mechanics like base-building into dow2... 6 races, 3subfactions , nice "used to be" , thats why these games are still better and played all the time... devs have forgotten the good "golden sweetspot" of graphics... old games might seem like "dated" , but in reality they were pinnacle of art and limits of technology at the time, like homm3 for example.. i can guarantee you that the game is already generational game like Chess... and will be played still in 20-30 years... the prohblem with sameness is... that companies hire these people from artschools and graphic designers etc... they are all taught the same techniques of "efficiency" , so there's no style or uniqueness in them... and generally gaming companies dont care about fine detail anymore, but making "good enough" , to maximize time and profit... (or potential of profit..) thats the problem with games, also... oversaturation of gaming market... nothing feels or look special anymore.... the kids these days have no idea in what golden age era we grew up in :D every new game felt like leap in technology and everything was fresh and new ideas.. you were all the time amazed and surprised... nowdays, if anyone makes something cool.... 10 copies of the same game comes out with different skins.. its like there's conspiracy that companies use the same engines and reskin games just... last rts type game... i thought had nice distinct visuaol style was that survival game.. We are billions or something similar... i always thought they should turn that into an RTS game wich could be competitve game... but they never did.. to me the game felt really silky-smooth and responsive...

@Mr_Shitlord

4 ай бұрын

Take a a look at d.o.r.f

@NoshuHyena

3 ай бұрын

I totally agree. While I think Immortal has a unique enough art style to set it apart, it's still beholden to Starcraft 2's influence. Stormgate is especially guilty of this. It looks, sounds, and seems to play almost EXACTLY like SC2. It's shaping up to be the Mobile Legends of the RTS genre, especially as it'll be "Free"-to-Play.

Immortal is the one I found the most interesting, visually and mechanically, but it's also the one I'm the least optimistic about. StormGate is probably the one with the best chances of reaching a wider audience, just by being F2P with actual funding and a cohesive vision for game modes and monetization.

Zerospace developers are all (or most) Pro level SC2 players (current and former).

@klavicus2276

4 ай бұрын

I am very interested into Zerospace but you can’t tell me that accidentally most e-sport players can also program games lmao there have to be others involved

@mh1593

4 ай бұрын

@@klavicus2276 check out their team, most are SC2 past or present non-amateur players.

@mh1593

4 ай бұрын

@@klavicus2276 There are more developers but the instigators and decision makers are mainly SC2 veterans

@ibfreely8952

4 ай бұрын

I sure hope they have a good team of writers and level designers that create interesting lore and an awesome campaign to go with it, otherwise it will be hard to attract players.

@Microphunktv-jb3kj

4 ай бұрын

SC2 kind of overrated , if something is a classic of 90s... doesnt mean you have to fanatically play it forever... im not even rts fanboy or smt.. but i always fought c&c , red alert and wc3 were always better rts... but still SC2 is "godlike" compared to these low effort games shown in the video... ur just better off playing stuff like dawn of war 1, dow2 eternal mod, company of heroes.. these in the video just feel like "wish" version of rts game...

Immortal feels like it's destined to forever stay in the placeholder phase of development

@NanMan

5 ай бұрын

Let's hope not, the last Alpha event was 4 months ago so here's hoping the next big push will showcase some really cool content for everyone

@ExValeFor

5 ай бұрын

we will never be rid of the teapots

@tomjakatak3304

4 ай бұрын

There will be a very large update this year without placeholders :)

Everyone is talking about Immortal but it really doesn't feel like it will last outside of a few months. I'm more interested in Tempest Rising.

@AL-lh2ht

4 ай бұрын

Tempest riding is like a commend and conquer spiritual successor. So likely the single player campaign matters more for it compared to the esports. To which all three of this wants to be esports.

Age of Mythology:retold

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

I loved me some age of mythology back in the day. I keep thinking of doing a campaign play through on stream this year. Hopefully we see more from AoM Retold soon

If you put these games without their title I would not be able to tell them apart. They all look like they're the same game.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Very similar design for sure. Stormgate looks the most like wc3 with art style to me. Immmortal and Zerospace are similar but once you actually get in the art becomes a little more distinct. Might harder from trailers and limited game play footage to truly tell the difference though.

@allanshpeley4284

3 ай бұрын

Yeah but one of them, without naming names, burned through nearly $40M without creating a finished product.

so hyped for Stormgate!!!

If this is the big three then we in trouble.

What about Sanctuary?

@krioni86sa

5 ай бұрын

fortnite is better

My Big Three aren't these. Here's mine: - Tempest Rising - Homeworld 3 - DORF

@volodymyr_budii

4 ай бұрын

Don't know about DORF since it is strictly solo game, I would rather replace it with Sanctuary: Shattered sun

You are wrong about Immortal Gates of Pyre; they have said and mentioned also in the kickstarter that there will be 5 factions (jora, irathek and herlesh i think are not in the game currently), among those 5 factions will be some subfactions, also each faction will be able to choose a Immortal god before start that functions like orbital command center in sc2

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for clarifying this one, I've been loving playing it but never realized that they were going to go up to 5 factions. Each faction right now has 2 sub factions, I wonder if that will change or stay the same?

@georgigeorgiev2451

4 ай бұрын

@@NanMan I dont know that many details but as far as i remember they said that there will be alot of sub factions because they have stated that they have understood what lies beneath a stable faction balance, they believe that they know the secret and understand how to mantain balance even with big number of factions. I got the alpha but controls seemed meh so i didnt play alot, also its very unpolished currently but still looking forward to it and hopefully it will be very good.

Yeah, you're missing Tempest Rising, Homeworld 3, and Mannor Lords. These games have the most buzz and most hype of any RTS games out there. Only Storm Gate is close to them.

@SSGLGamesVlogs

4 ай бұрын

Then, there's Sanctuary: Shattered Sun for the Supreme Commander and Total Annihilation fans. Very surprised about the sheer number of RTSs that are coming.

@royasturias1784

4 ай бұрын

D.O.R.F. Ardent Seas (Act of War-like RTS game with a more naval combat focus) Global Conflagration Falling Frontier Barkhan (Dune 2000 successor without being bothered by the Herbert Estate) Red Chaos: The Strict Order My most recent RTS game copy purchases were CrossFire: Legion (spin-off of FPS eSport CrossFire), Iron Harvest (+ expansion DLC), Five Nations and AoE3 DE

@SSGLGamesVlogs

4 ай бұрын

@@royasturias1784 Now I'm hearing about one called Hyperwars or something, which uses the Unreal engine. Lol.

@DreamMarko

4 ай бұрын

@@royasturias1784 DORF looks amazing! It's the game I'm most looking forward to.

@NoWonderDragon

4 ай бұрын

@@SSGLGamesVlogs And Beyond All Reason (BAR)

Im hyped for the new Age of Mythology, even tho we havent heard news a bout it in a while.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Love me some age of mythology! I'll probably go back and do a playthrough of the campaign sometime on stream this year since it has been so long since I played.

@geneanthony3421

4 ай бұрын

Huge fan of AOM. Feels like it never got the love it deserved but I liked it a lot more than AOE. Was closer to Starcraft with multiple races that felt and played different and a decent campaign.

3:10 Worth noting that the plan the Immortal devs have laid out has a release with 4 or 5 factions, each with 3 sub-factions, which are then supplemented with additional factions periodically

@StfuSiriusly

4 ай бұрын

sounds pretty hard to balance that many different units

@dominiccasts

4 ай бұрын

@@StfuSiriusly The general principle they are using is to design units around broad roles (frontline, zone control, skirmisher, artillery, etc.), and then each faction fills those roles in their own way. Zero-K is an example of a game that does something similar with its pseudo-faction factory system, and that has a remarkably even matchup spread for having ~100 units spread across the 8 generally viable starting factories. The key is making sure every faction has tools that deal with every situation, even if the specifics of those tools vary greatly.

Wow I've been excited for stormgate, but came out of this video looking forward to the other 2 more I think!

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

I'm really excited to show off more of each of these games as we get more beta events leading toward release~!

I like this video, & think immortal has promise. but I personally would've easily put Tempest rising ahead of immortal: gates of pyre, as I find there's lack of any updates about Immortal in ages. Especially compared to Zerospace, stormgate & Tempest rising

@haakonglindtvad5489

5 ай бұрын

yea let's hope this dude finaly have relized what Tempest Rising is. it's on 57. spot on steam wishlist with 37k ! to compare Zerospace has 5k Stormgate 45k

@NanMan

5 ай бұрын

Tempest Rising does seem interesting but less of a longevity game in my eyes. My esports brain could easily be skewing my views of RTS games but I don't know if Tempest will be played to the same lengths and extent that current RTS giants are played like Starcraft, Wc3, Age of Empires. Sounds like I'll have to do a special video just for Tempest Rising this year :D

@hungmarin

5 ай бұрын

@@NanMan tempest rising maybe not best for esport but it will live long for its passionate c&c community

@MistaWikked

5 ай бұрын

C&C Master life

@bakacs1n

4 ай бұрын

With that logic none of these three will replace Starcraft 2, not even Starcraft 1 and they will probably die soon after arrival @@NanMan

I just tried out the Stormgate beta, and honestly I’m really digging it. It’s very rough at the moment, but It feels like it’s set up to be taking all the good stuff from both Starcraft and Warcraft, with a dash of Command & Conquer. The thing I’m really excited for, however, is Frost Giant’s intent to focus on both the casual and competitive play separately. Cuz like, Blizzard has always prioritized competitive over casual (which makes sense for them, as competitive is what brings in more money and it also affects the livelihood of competitive players), but it also meant that a lot of experimental and wacky stuff gets pushed to the wayside. So as a casual player, I’m really excited to see some of the stranger ideas they get for this game.

Stormgate looks aiight, but I'm really looking forward Tempest Rising

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Tempest Rising has peaked my interest. I'm most interested to see what improvements they make from the demo they released.

How Homeworld 3 isn't one of the "big 3" is fucking beyond me. Literally revolutionized RTS gaming when HW1 came out, one of the only RTS games ever to get game of the year. But nah 3 shit tier games by 3 failed dev teams are the BIG 3 for the year, over what will hands down be the best RTS game to come out in the last 15 years.

@volodymyr_budii

4 ай бұрын

Yea, or Sanctuary: shattered sun. It is gonna be much better and more interesting than these 3

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Homeworld was huge in 2000 a few years after BW and age of empires 2 had come out. I'm very excited for homeworld 3, there's a whole other video on my channel that is dedicated to that check the pin comment on this video. However if we look at longevity of the OG Homeworld it is non existent outside of the few die hard fans compared to something like age of empires or StarCraft that is still alive and thriving. Not quite sure what you mean by failed dev teams though?

I know this might be a bit out there, but does Realms of Ruin count?

@NanMan

5 ай бұрын

Realms of Ruin would count, love me some Warhammer RTS games

Who's your favorite immortal?

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

I've been leaning/learning more Q'rath specifically Ajari that shielding and healing has been really fun. I want to learn more Aru since I love DT and Lurkers from Sc and I get some ambush units if I play them.

Stormgate could be huge, the other ones just after 1 week, nobody will talk about and they go into the abyss of who the f.. cares...

Where temptest rising ?

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

I've got 2 other videos on my channel showing off Tempest Rising 😁

The Art of Immortal is beyond beauty

I love all these games. This might be a bit of a controversial comment but I really love in the RTS games, command and conquer and Dune how can get as much resources as you want without cheating. StarCraft one was unbelievably amazing one of my favorite games of all time I do not like that we have to run out of resources after a while and in StarCraft 2 you have no idea how much resources is left because they don’t tell you. Warcraft is amazing too. I honestly really wish we had a Warcraft four but World of Warcraft kind of ruin that possibility. Glad RTS games are making a comeback.

Stormgate will make it.

Did this guy completely forget about Tempest Rising? Bro is missing out big time lmao.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Tempest Rising fits into a different category in the world of RTS games. I'll have a video on that coming out Thursday

The big 3 of the RTS world : 1. starcraft BW/2 2. Age of Empires 2/4 3. Warcraft 3

Every game looks quite promising in their own right, but so far, Stormgate appears to be the most polished of all.

I think don't know much about Immortal Gates of Pyre, other than it seems to have its own following that's hyped about it; of these big 3 I think there's the least coverage on that one, and it's definitely more of the "odd man out" - Stormgate is made by ex SC/WC devs and ZeroSpace by ex SC2 Pros/Content Creators. And honestly, I think those 2 probably have the potential to be the biggest. However this is a great time for RTS in general: Homeworld 3 is promising (has been very popular at Next Fest), Tempest Rising is amazing in its current state, and Godsworn is also really good. Plus countless other titles people are hyped for.

And all of them have a decorated letter O.

Zerospace seems to have a lot of potential, Stormgate seems like the likely successor though. Very much feels like SC2 in a good way. Plus Co-Op and a quality campaign which is very most people will spend their time. They also made the smart decision to use SC2's business model which will draw in more people early on.

@allanshpeley4284

3 ай бұрын

Stormgate is nearly out of cash and will only make it to EA with an unfinished game. From that point on they'll need to heavily monetize with microtransactions to sustain their massive overhead and keep the lights on. Check out the recent activity on the Stormgate subreddit...it's blowing up.

@geneanthony3421

3 ай бұрын

@@allanshpeley4284 that's sad to hear if true. As far as overhead goes it's quite depressing. I'm not sure if they were in debt but they just received almost 2.5 million a few weeks ago. I was a bit concerned about their overhead though. It is a rather ambitious product. I also didn't know why they seemed to need such a big staff. I'm pretty sure they're business model will be selling commanders and campaign missions but 1 vs 1 and such will be free.

If these 3 rts are compared to as the big three in anime, can you guess which rts is like jojo?

@NanMan

5 ай бұрын

I would love to hear which rts would fit for jojo

@snowman4261

5 ай бұрын

​@@NanManWar Selection

@SSGLGamesVlogs

4 ай бұрын

If I can make an RTS, it would be based on Tanya the Evil...

@royasturias1784

4 ай бұрын

@@SSGLGamesVlogs Mine would be based on smartphone game Girls' Frontline

@SSGLGamesVlogs

4 ай бұрын

@@royasturias1784 They won't survive against Tanya and her Imperial 203rd Aerial Mage Battalion.

I'm really confused why is everyone going for that Starcraft II feeling, like it's the most successful RTS ever made... I wish there was something with a bit more grit, a bit more clunk. I'm tired of having to make a single blob of units and just sending them to fight. That's not fun.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

I would argue that Starcraft BW might be the most successful with what it did for Korea and how many people interacted with the game in the 90s. Sc2 was probably more popular world wide though. I agree that the big A move army blob is boring

@volodymyr_budii

4 ай бұрын

You might want to check out Supreme commander serries, and if you like it, but want more new - wait for Sanctuary: Shattered sun

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

@@volodymyr_budii Sanctuary: shattered sun will defiantly be something I would be checking out, the terrain manipulation that they have teased is what I'm most interested in

This title is so confusing. Big 3 of the RTS world (that are still in development and have almost no players).

@NanMan

5 ай бұрын

True all 3 are in Alpha/Beta stages but to say they have almost no players doesn't really do it justice. Since they all have very active players and many people wishing to play

@greuju

4 ай бұрын

@@NanMan big 3 is aoe, cc bw Isn't there another that looks like AOE and has gods or mythical stuff in it?

@royasturias1784

4 ай бұрын

​@@greujuThat's Age of Mythology plus The Titans DLC, being remade from ground up using the AoE3 engine

2:58 Not all RTS are focused on 1v1, don't even see a reason why you would want to say so

Big 3? Im not that hyped about more games that take all their inspiration from Starcraft Starcraft 2 is nice, but the RTS community doesn't need more like it

Says Big 3, mentions copies of the same game...

And the winner for next gen RTS is….. StarCraft 2

@uncle_pecos776

4 ай бұрын

Я думаю ещё может Age of empires 2 DE добраться. В отличии от метелицы, регулярные патчи и новый контент. Для всей серии AGE. Когда я устаю от starcraft, здорово спасает.

What's with many newage RTS developers ignoring 2v2's?

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

At least Immortal gates of Pyre, and Zerospace are developing 2v2 it's only Stormgate that are pushing the 3v3 and 3 player aspect. Love me some 2v2 action

@invader_jim2837

4 ай бұрын

@@NanMan ZS is as well? I must have misheard only Immortal having 2v2.

@volodymyr_budii

4 ай бұрын

If you ant more teamplay, you can go for supreme commander Forged alliance forever(community launcher), or if you want something more new, can wait for Sanctuary: shattered sun

All three of them have styling on the O on the logo what’s up with that? Isn’t that strange? 2:22

I really like the idea of the video, but there are few rather big mistakes: 1. 2:55 - What do you mean "their focus, like all RTS, is 1v1"? It's an obvious false, as many RTS focus more on campaign. Even across RTS games you mention, according to the devs, Stormgate campaign gonna be very important for them, certainly not less then 1v1. 2. 4:12 - It really doesn't feel that uniqe that you kill creeps to get a special resource. You kill creeps in ZeroSpace to get acces to experience (and get access to global abilities) which is quite similar to the way it works in Immortal. 3. Like @haakonglindtvad5489 mentioned, It's clear thet calling those game big 3 looks more like a "What I, PERSONALLY, am most exctited about" instead of trying to objectively say which ones are gonna have the most impact. There is Tempest Rising, there is also D.O.R.F, that gained a lot of attention after PC Gaming Show.

@NanMan

5 ай бұрын

Perhaps my views of RTS games are more skewed and I often view them from an esports 1v1 perspective. Starcraft is without a doubt considered the hardest 1v1 game even fighting game pros know starcraft is more challenging. So yes campaign is intracule to an RTS and something that I continue to come back to but I would say current active users both daily and weekly are coming back to compete in the 1v1 setting not play the campaign over and over for months straight. 2. I brought up the additional resource for immortal on the creeps because they were the first of these titles to do that. I mentioned the zerospace xp resource but spent less time on that aspect since it was a not a resource tracked in the same category as your first and secondary resources like in Sc case minerals and Gas. Zero Space tracks 2 resources the Xp resources is separate and placed at the top of the screen. 3. Not to discredit Tempest Rising or D.O.R.F but we'll see what sort of longevity those games have or will they just be a cool game you play once. I am personally most excited from everything I've played of these 3 titles compared to tempest risings Demo.

@chyzyzbik5623

5 ай бұрын

@@NanMan "...I would say current active users both daily and weekly are coming back to compete in the 1v1 setting not play the campaign over and over for months straight. " I wonder if you have watched very popular video by GiantGrantGames called "The Next Major RTS Will Fail. This Is Why.", because it's entire message claims exact opposite of what you have written, and it has some data to support it. I would highly recommend it as I would just repeat arguments made there. If you disagree, feel free to let me know.

@Gonzalo_105

5 ай бұрын

in aoe2 they release new campaigns, new events, co op campaigns all the time, the devs know that 80% of the player base doesnt play competitive.

All RTS has been garbage compared to both Starcrafts. I wonder if that bar set an eternal standard never to be surpassed in the genre.

@enriqueshockwave

4 ай бұрын

These games all look like sc2 clones but the fact that these studios are branching out means that the next gen of rts will finally surpass sc2

@calculatorade

4 ай бұрын

They look like WC3 garbage.

@therandomheretek5403

3 ай бұрын

have you tried Supreme Commander? An underrated gem imo.

not gonna lie I don't think any of these have significant potential. Sucks to say as a RTS fan, but all 3 of these feel like they are inferior clones of SC2.

@FirstName-nf4fx

5 ай бұрын

Not necessarily some of them also steal elements from league of legends and shove that in there. I'm only looking at stormgate right now because sc2 pro player Parting says he's going to play it.

@fredwin

4 ай бұрын

​@@FirstName-nf4fx Yeah. Unfortunately Stormgate is doomed. They had an opportunity to do something unique, but there's not enough there as far as gameplay goes to differentiate it from SC. RTS is a very unique genre and there's a good reason it's basically a dead one. There's no innovation, depending on your style AOE/SC is already the pinnacle of the genre if you're talking pure RTS. Also, for some reason they built the game on the unreal engine which is a pretty jank choice for RTS.

@joet7580

4 ай бұрын

@@fredwini don’t think i agree with this. Sure, a lot of the design space around rts is smaller, but it’s not nothing. If you look at SCbw and SC2, these are very different playing rts games. SC2 is a very streamlined continually patched experience with a meta that can be easily defined relative to SC1. SC1 is zany, a lot of the unit interactions and builds that are dominant were completely unforeseen, and the meta changes with the kinds of players who make their way to the top level. Then there is WC3 that feels very unique compared to AOE or SC I think there are a few different ways at least to radically define the mechanical guts and player experience of your RTS

@fredwin

4 ай бұрын

@@joet7580 They are all different for sure, don't forget the more macro heavy games like TA/SupCom either. The thing is that with RTS games outside of game knowledge, the actual skill involved is completely transferrable, if you're an amazing SC player, you're also going to be great at SC2, Wc3, AoE, etc. You just won't be at the same level until you invest a tiny bit of time learning the meta and stuff. Because of this, people who are great at RTS games will go into new releases like these and just dominate, they dominate until they realize they are skill -capped and need to move on a more competitive game. There is a reason MOBAs killed the RTS genre and it's because they were able to distill what people enjoy about the micro/smaller scale parts of the RTS and make it appeal to a broad audience. MOBA games are much easier to play and compete in. So you have full RTS games, you have MOBAs and you have hybrids. If Stormgate is going to stay alive for more than 3 months after release it's going to need some change to the formula to compete

@fredwin

4 ай бұрын

@@joet7580 In addition to that, I just want to say that I hope that I am wrong. I don't want the game to fail because I love RTS. Yet I feel like I've seen games like this come and go a million times, and every time one fails it just taps another nail into the coffin.

Immortal does not look like real candidate for future big RTS title. From these 3, the Zerospace looks best. I expect Tempest Rising (which use C&C formula) with Zerospace to be future big RTS

@abudgie6909

4 ай бұрын

Zerospace looks way too complicated to be really successful. Heroes, top bars, talent trees, mercenaries, it's just too much in my opinion. RTS games are already complex enough.

@OldSkullSoldier

4 ай бұрын

@@abudgie6909 I think that devs forget that SC was loved by casual players, pro scene just happened. New top RTS needs to be simple first. That's why Warcraft 3 was less succesful that SC:BW and SC2 - it was more complex for casual play with these heroes, hunting creeps etc. which forces to multitask. Casual players are important, because they finance support, patching, more marketing - and tournaments are marketting. Too bad nothing is like Dawn Of War (Dark Crusade or Soulstorm)

@abudgie6909

4 ай бұрын

@@OldSkullSoldier I agree. That's why I'm looking forward to Stormgate. I've played quite a lot of SC2 - mostly co op, several runs of the campaigns and a little ladder - and I'm glad that Stormgate is going to be a little more accessible and a little slower. I'll probably play more 1v1 since the game won't be as punishing.

Did you mean weekly shounen jump?

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

The big 3 in anime is a title or term used to describe the 3 most popular series which comes from the shounen jump during the "golden age" of mid 2000s so you are correct from the weekly shounen jump and the animes that were produced because of those mangas.

I might play these games because i love rts campaigns. That said, i dont think ill ever switch from StarCraft 2, i dont find any of the races in these new games visually appealing, perhaps the lore behind them will make me appreciate them more. Starcraft just seems a better fit for me. Still glad at the potential of rts games gaining more popularity.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

It's hard to stop playing starcraft I'm still playing co-op with friends and every couple months I stream up the campaign. I even go back and play big 8 player BBH games on BW around my birthday. So I get not wanting to switch away from Sc2, but maybe the lore and campaign from the new games might grab your interests even if for a little bit.

Remove Imortal add Tempest Rising

Where's Tempest Rising? :p

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Don't worry we've got a video in the works on Tempest Rising

@tokdo4960

4 ай бұрын

@@NanMan Could you also do homeworld 3? I'm definitely playing both

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

@@tokdo4960 Looks like you'll be excited for my video this week I'm talking Tempest Rising and Homeworld 3

None of these games will make for a renaissance of the RTS genre.

@chrisjackson1215

4 ай бұрын

They all look like absolute shit.

Cant wait for Stormgate... though my favourite all time RTS has always been Lord of the Rings the Battle for Middle Earth... would love an RTS like that

Man i miss KKND so much..

You're missing Beyond All Reason. Which is free, community supported and out right now. These are all E-Sport clones of SC2. Also Sanctuary.

Tempest rising?

I grew up with starcraft, warcraft, age of empires, dominion, command and conquer games and many many other strategy games and i should be happy and hyped about these games coming out again and yet i couldnt care less....these are carbon copies of games that came out decades ago , just in new engines but what for? these new engines do not inovate or implement anything new for these games in and of itself. Its the same games with same mechanics and units just different names and lore that i couldnt give a shit about. When will someone actualy bring anything new to the table instead of trying to use the same formula? Literaly the only upcoming game that kind of inovates and tries to tie together many interesting gameplay feature is manor lords. If yall like starcraft so much just go play starcraft or warcraft lmao, we dont need these carbon copies.

@allanshpeley4284

3 ай бұрын

I agree. It would be nice to see some innovation in the genre. Not to mention a game that reflects the decades of technological progress we've had since my favorite game - C&C.

@AdamNisenziSpisak

3 ай бұрын

@@allanshpeley4284 New terminator strategy just came out and looks interesting

Still waiting for Company of Heroes 3 to be balanced.

@hungmarin

5 ай бұрын

Wait, i thought it has beeen balanced?

@bernardoheusi6146

5 ай бұрын

@@hungmarin from the Steam forums it has been improved a lot but still there are some balance issues. It's still expensive so I'm in no hurry to buy it.

where is tempest rising? IMO tempest rising looks like the most promising new RTS on the slate for this year. All three of the games in this video look so similar they might as well be the same game. Tempest Rising looks actually good and none of these games look good at all. All 3 of these appear to be being developed specifically for esports and/or WC3 nostalgia fan-service which is never a good sign. when companies prioritize making their game for epsorts over making it an enjoyable experience for everyone, they're setting their game up to fail.

I don't think broodwar can be surpassed. As much as I like to play new games BW is just that good in the genre.

IMO Stormgate is the only one who has a chance for longevity out of these three. Reason? Immortal and ZeroSpace have highly simplified macro. Looking at what RTS games are popular now (Starcraft 2, Age of Empires II and IV), players like macro.

@hungmarin

5 ай бұрын

I prefer game less macro and more micro like Zero Space, i even love Zero Space more than Stormgate

@nanotech2080

5 ай бұрын

@@hungmarinlets be honest, all 3 have super dumbed down and easy macro. Even something like wc3 which is all about micro has more interesting macro mechanics. Not even talking about bw, aoe, or sc2. Eliminating half of what an RTS is not how you achieve focus on micro. It should be game and unit design which allows and encourages you to do that

@hungmarin

5 ай бұрын

@@nanotech2080 there is people who like more micro like wc3 (including me) and people like you who prefer more macro instead.

@nanotech2080

5 ай бұрын

@@hungmarin You missed my point. I'm saying wc3 was all about micro, but still had more macro depth than all these 3 games combined. Wc3 doesn't make you focus on micro artificially by removing all depth to macro, but does it by rewarding micro more, and giving you units and game mechanics that support that. Here they basically have sc2 unit depth and no macro. Empty games. They almost feel like custom maps (footmen frenzy if you remember that).

@neonmarblerust

5 ай бұрын

Macro is very important in RTS! It seems they have simplified things a lot, but it might be too early to tell with these games. I think the best way to judge the macro is by looking at how build orders work.

The big 3 are: Starcraft Brood War, Starcraft 2 and either Warcraft3 or Age of Empires.

@volodymyr_budii

4 ай бұрын

Or Supreme commander/Total annihilation, whatever of the 2 you choose

It seems Sanctuary: Shattered Sun is poised to feature a scale bigger than those 3 combined.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Sanctuary: Shattered Sun has some cool aspects to it. I really like the idea of the weather control for the game

@SSGLGamesVlogs

4 ай бұрын

@@NanMan Because one is in a Dyson Sphere? I see how it is. Thank for the reply.

My issue with these games is that all 3 of these games are essentially based on Starcraft 2. Not that it's not a good rts, it's just not the ONLY rts.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

I would agree that SC2 has had the biggest influence on these 3 games, which makes sense as former sc2 pro gamers/custom game makers/developers are working on each of these projects. I also agree that there are so many great RTS games out there they could pull some cool ideas from to incorporate into the next big RTS

Why have no RTS since WC3 and the Everquest ones introduced leveling units? It was such a massive feature and selling point in WC3, and then just disappeared from the genre.

@greuju

5 ай бұрын

dow 2

@invader_jim2837

5 ай бұрын

@@greuju That's not an RTS.

@greuju

5 ай бұрын

@@invader_jim2837 dawn of war 2 is an rts. Lol WTF. It just has capturing instead of building workers.

@invader_jim2837

5 ай бұрын

@@greuju It's an RTT. DoW3 is more of an RTS than DoW2. Sorry champ, I don't make the rules.

@greuju

4 ай бұрын

@@invader_jim2837 maybe some people consider it like that. RTT was popularized by total war, and dawn of war 2 is nothing like that. It's just company of heroes, which everyone also consider to be a rts. Sorry kiddo. Your autism might not be able to handle that. No matter what your mom still loves you. It's okay

I'm gonna be honest, these games haven't really peaked my interest that much. My dream RTS would probably be a mixture of Starcraft: Brood War + Age of Empires 2 but these all seem more like a Warcraft 3 + Starcraft 2 mix

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Brood War and Age of Empires 2 was the golden era. It does feel more Wc3 style but that is probably to pull in gamers that weren't around or played those great games back in the day and grew up playing MOBAs.

It feels crazy that there could be so many interesting race ideas out there and yet they use the same ideas again and again

It's kind of sad that these 3 are considered the big 3 RTS nowadays. :(

Here’s an idea… StarCraft 3

@NanMan

3 ай бұрын

If only

Looks nice, but I still prefer WC2 and original SC

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

So many hours have been spent on Wc2 and original Sc. I even stream up the campaign for both games every couple years

@Olagfigh

Күн бұрын

WC2 :) Instead of cloning SC2 someone could try with WC2. Simple rules, less units, oldschool medieval fantasy with naval battles, closer to a "chess" type of RTS. Add to it some unique art direction (dark and gloomy would be perfect) and I'm in. But no. Just moar SC2, MOAR!

Storm Gate i will try when they let me

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Maybe you'll get in for the next round in February. I know open beta is supposed to hit in the summer

@allanshpeley4284

3 ай бұрын

@@NanManYou're thinking Early Access, when their funding runs dry. At least according to their communications director, Gerald Villoria and Cara LaForge, head of business operations.

sc1,sc2,wc3

Eh stormgate doesn't Look good. Bar and Homeworld 3 are the rts I'm looking at

1:56 I don't like any of those 3 lol

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

You might not like any of those animes but they will always be the big 3, since it's a title. What anime are you enjoying atm?

@borisalarcon7504

4 ай бұрын

@@NanMan Right now I'm not watching anime. Vinlandsaga and Gundam Wing are on my watchlist tho. Thanks for asking, and thanks for the video.

As a Starcraft vet, none of these excite me more than just reinstalling SC2. The difference between them and SC2 feel forced. They needed to either improve on the formula or start from scratch. We will see how they develop. I have been dabbling with Beyond All Reason lately. It feels like a completely different beast than SC2.

Zerospace > Tempest Rising > Immortal GoP > Stormgate

Who likes Starcraft 2 more after watching this video?

why do all 3 new rts almost all the units look alike.... game to game i mean. and base, structure style... they all look mirrored in a sense and gathering they almost all do the same thing. except stormgate, idk i might be bias but sc2 was the last real rts. i dont think any will ever capture me like they did. stormgate was close. played the betas.... stormgate is the best by far atm truley enjoyed it the most - i play rts for the base building, the big wars.. and the competive multiplayer.. not to play with heros... or arcades or vs enviroment. or pve or coop... im here for war competition and death im not even a fan of campains.. or single player.. i dont play games unless they offer multiplayer. ({Like if you looked at my steam library and the 30+ games i have.. Not one is single player only.. if they even offer single player mode}) its all i want in games. dont get me wrong i LOVED sc/sc bw/sc2 story line but its the only game i ever finished single player on. ONLY ONE EVER. other -wise i wouldn't care if a game was multiplayer only. as long as its GOOD and well balanced. and not gimmicky / cheap feeling.. (im not even happy about stormgate adding the creeps on the map... but we'l deal with it) i shouldn't need a hero to keep my army alive... my own micro and macro and ability to produce should be enough. no auto farming every aspect of the game should be controllable... including economy smooth gameplay no cheap tricks or cop outs... good unit balancing.. smooth game. Blizzard just needs to realize it needs to make a sc3---- and get all the original developers back. and suck it up [p.s. ive also noticed all 3 new rts's almost all of them have sc2 look-alikes which is kind of sad thy don't seem more original, wether a building design or a unit.] honestly the new homeworld 3 may just take over my life... i may never look back at these 3, or sc2

I am excited for Immortal. Stormgate looks disappointing, not gonna like..

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

I've been enjoying playing it, have you had a chance to watch/play any yet?

I kinda dislike the the name of the video here, because it kinda says that the only big RTS games are the one that come from Starcraft 2 genre and must have esports. There are many other RTS games that might be even better than these 3 in many ways, like Sanctuary: shattered sun that is gonna be a successor of legendary Total annihilation and Supreme commander serries, or maybe tempest rising and others. Feels kinda like propaganda towards this specific playstyle of RTS

Micro needs to be fun and enable quick/cheap wins. The game needs to be brutal to weak players, they need to be super quick to beat. In SC2, a weaker player can easily lose within 3 minutes. If the game doesn't allow for that, I don't think a pro-scene will ever develop.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Fast micro intensive strategies or "cheese" builds are a huge part of RTS games, I've already seen and been on the receiving end of a couple of these builds in Stormgate and Zerospace. As players figure out the game more they will understand where they can exploit vulnerabilities I for one am excited to watch top level players figure these out.

@Habib_Osman

4 ай бұрын

@@NanMan Agreed. If it isn't there the game will blow over in a few weeks.

@Habib_Osman

4 ай бұрын

@@NanMan I can understand why devs and investors don't touch the genre lol. It's uber hit and miss as a genre. Almost guaranteed to be a failed venture

@Habib_Osman

4 ай бұрын

@@NanMan I think all the critiques under this video warrant a video on their own. The requirements for an RTS to be good... dang. Almost impossible to pull off.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

@@Habib_Osman I'm currently working on a script for this reason. There are so many great RTS games in development but so many players want different things from their games

"Big three"? Really? War3 was genre defining becuase it focused on story and campaign... not trying to be an esport.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Wc3 was huge at the time both from and esports perspective (especially in EU and China) but also from the story, and custom game scene. Wc3 is in the category of greats along with AOE and SC but I'm referring to the big 3 as in new age RTS games that are trying to step in an capture a new generation similar to the big 3 in anime. The big 3 doesn't mean the greatest of all time, though some might argue that, really it's more of a title.

@Olagfigh

Күн бұрын

"War3 was genre defining" It wasn't... not even a single RTS game followed War3. Indie game Loria has same concept for heroes, but even that game didn't fully follow War3. RTS Warcraft died with War3. All of these new games are based on SC2.

How to take you serious? When u Call these 3 the Big three. If u done your research, you Will find the Two biggest are Stormgate yes, but Tempest Rising… how Can u not include that. Check how many have steam wishlisted it has. Also see how many views the different films on KZread got, well they get same kind of views as Stormgate videos get. I even did Reddit polls where Tempest Rising did beat Stormgate on rts Subreddit. So That Immorta Gates of Pyre l, is Way less hyped than Tempest Rising.

@NanMan

5 ай бұрын

That would be my esports brain coming through 100%. I'm looking at longevity of a RTS game and keeping players coming back every day you need a strong competitive ladder/scene. I personally don't see that with Tempest Rising, which I could be completely wrong about. I will for sure do a dedicated video about Tempest Rising this year but I see it as more of a pick it up put it down game compared to a continue to play over and over game.

@haakonglindtvad5489

5 ай бұрын

@@NanMan well I like mp also, but actually most people play singleplayer in rts games. it seems like you never played any c&c online games, these games keeps you engaged in online commpetetive, so I don't see why this game won't become a strong competitive game? we are many people craving a new c&c successor, so I don't think we are gonna leave Tempest Rising quick after a little while. But I hope you are wrong, the game just needs enough people to have a ranked ladder, so I hope you are wrong, maybe you are right. Like me I had 1000 matches in Red Alert 3, I prefered that over Starcraft 2, and we had a online community in that game before Gamespy closed.

Immortal does not look like a big RTS

promo sm 👀

Man these games look so fuckin generic. I know you it's hard to work your way into the gamers heart, but you could take the faction names from ALL of these games and mix them up and you'd have 0 idea which goes wear. The GREL? THE MALA? THE LEGION? THE ORDER? It's like come on dude. Gameplay is most important but these are like the bottom of the barrel made up nonsense names.

@NanMan

5 ай бұрын

Naming factions is so hard, we have such connection to names like Terran, Protoss, and Zerg now but I wonder if people felt the same way in the early days of Sc

@grugmangaming5152

4 ай бұрын

The main problem is the art style and presentation when it comes to that. Especially when it comes down to spectacle and how these armies clash. It's why I look forwards to games like DORF RTS or Sanctuary who have a fun artstyle and some sort of natural consistency.

only zerospace might be good. immortal looks like a cheap clone off the other rts's in dev, stormgate .. yer just no; stop trying to score big money on esport hype, make a good game first then enter the scene if the competitive aspect is good enough to be fun to play again and again... having games only gaining a esport scene when millions are arbitrary thrown into rewards for pro-players doesn't exactly promote good games, or games that are fun and good to play in the competitive scene (yes i am looking at you sc2, what a huge dissapointment you have been... just a better looking sc1. not what the next gen rts should have been. but whatever,)

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Interesting take, what are you looking for/hoping for from a next gen rts if you feel sc2 didn't quite live up to that?

Immortal Gates of Pyre - I haven't seen any positive news from devs so far and I am afraid this game will not be released.

@NanMan

5 ай бұрын

They are the most quiet of the 3 atm, I would expect another big push late spring early summer with hopefully some new stuff.

@tomjakatak3304

4 ай бұрын

We're working on a more significant update to be released later this year. :)

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

@@tomjakatak3304 looking forward to showing off some more Immortal Gates of Pyre. I've loved what I've played so far~!

@tomjakatak3304

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much. Looking forward to showing you the next iteration@@NanMan

Does not compare to StarCraft 2.

These games need to fix their graphics. All of the sprites look too soft and blurry, with too much brown and grey in the mix. Bring back stark colours from the SC1 and WC3 era!

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Everything in the gameplay is of course going to change since it is alpha but I agree currently some things are difficult to distinguish. You could look at Sc1 and Wc3 and really notice differences between units and the games

Age of empires 2 is still 10 times better

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

Love me some Age of empires 2. I'll play AoE 2 and AoE 4 any day.

They all look the same, but the only one that seems good is zero space. Glad stormgate released a beta, cause it's trash.

@NanMan

3 ай бұрын

Zerospace felt so much fun to learn and felt the most complete compared to the others (Even though it is still early). Stormgate has been a blast learning but (I'm an infernal player) I've also been going back and playing more Sc2 after stormgate compared to the others so it's almost like stormgate has made me appreciate sc2 more

Play dorf these all look like go ok clicker multiplayer shit starcraft asset flips.

No offense but Immortal isn't even on anyone's radar.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

If it wasn't before hopefully it is now. I've really enjoyed playing it

@emeralduber

4 ай бұрын

Sure is on my radar, unfortunately people couldn't really get past that they were looking at alpha footage of the game, so the devs decided it's better to do a bigger update and just keep quiet for now, but they are in active development.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

@@emeralduber It always confuses me when people complain about the way a game looks during Alpha but it might be more of a recency bias and just not remember how other games looked during alpha. I can't wait for the next big update from Sunspear studios and Immortal

nothing like sc2, not even close

the big 3 are wc3, bw and sc2 its this a clickbait title? all 3 of those are just alpha sc2 clones that literally copy the WORST design choices and will fail horribly.

@NanMan

4 ай бұрын

IDK if you watched the video to understand what the Big 3 means? SC, Wc3, & Sc2 are original greats, in the anime world we are talking DBZ level but the point is to find the Big 3(naruto, bleech, one piece) the next generation to carry the torch. We'll see if they live up to the hype but I've been having a blast playing all 3. Maybe give them a try they might surprise you

All 3 of these are uninspired rip offs of Starcraft.

1:17 I don't think we should hyper focus on South Korea... Especially since they're not even the best of Koreas