The Best Ways to Beat Cyclonic Rift | EDH | Commander Tricks | Magic the Gathering | Commander
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Dispel is a one-mana way to deal with Cyclonic Rift as well as any other instants (countermagic, targeted removal, etc.) so it won't be a dead card. Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast also only cost one mana and can give access to answers to decks not running blue. They can also destroy blue permanents so you're not just limited to countering spells.
@Tehnameless1
4 жыл бұрын
Cyclonic Rift No, U
@PhazonOmega
4 жыл бұрын
YES! Thank you for mentioning those!
@jacquesdespadas
4 жыл бұрын
I play a lot of Naya, so REB and Pyroblast are my go-to cards for dealing with Rift and Villainous Wealth, as well as the occasional pesky kraken and such.
@TheCommanderTavern
4 жыл бұрын
@@jacquesdespadas Oh, definitely. It also destroys combo pieces as well as commanders with blue at instant speed all for just one red mana.
@jacquesdespadas
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheCommanderTavern I never leave home without them. :)
My favorite interaction with Cyclonic Rift was flashing in Dualcaster Mage and copying it, so everything got bounced.
@guibreve1733
4 жыл бұрын
Specially when someone tried rift at the other players end step for finishing the game attacking on their turn... that way the one playing rift undoubtedly ends up discarding some cards at their end step
@lwueda123
4 жыл бұрын
And you have your dualcaster mage back to your hand :)
The best way to beat it is say. "My whole deck cost as much as that card." Instantly defeating C_rift
@jakx2ob
4 жыл бұрын
I remember thinking 3 euro is a lot to pay for a card like that.
@tttyyy949
3 жыл бұрын
@@jakx2ob I bought it once for like 2$. I believe it was a time when it rotated out of standard.
@jakx2ob
3 жыл бұрын
@@tttyyy949 I guess I got into EDH around that time, during Khans block
I’ll never forget when someone cyc rifted in response to my wheel so we basically discarded our boards lmao
@brianbruneck721
4 жыл бұрын
Brutal
@MintyMagicMTG
4 жыл бұрын
That’s amazing and brutal af
@TheMystcast
4 жыл бұрын
This happens a lot more often than you think
@jacquesdespadas
4 жыл бұрын
Sad face.
@Narabedla4
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheMystcast that highly depends on your playgroup, too low powerlevel and few c rifts running around, too high powerlevel and very few overloaded c rifts running around.
One of my favorite "kind of counterspells" - Narsets Reversal - always gives chills when i get to Rift all my opponents...for 2 Mana :D
@jakx2ob
4 жыл бұрын
It's absolutely amazing, probably my favorite card from recent sets. I love casting it on my opponents Harrow.
@bobby45825
4 жыл бұрын
Someone Narset's reversal'd my Praetor's Counsul and countered it the turn after when I tried to recast it. Wasn't a big fan of that level of salt lol
@jakx2ob
4 жыл бұрын
@@bobby45825 at least the copy resolves before Narsets Reversal hits the yard.
Mitch: I hope Teferi's Protection gets a reprint Me: Looks down at the Teferi's I just pulled from a Mystery Booster. "Yeah maybe one day they'll reprint it"
And for all you Jimmy Wongs out there, Red elemental blast and Pyroblast are always a delight to tap 1 for and get that Rift out of here
@Sandaa97
4 жыл бұрын
@@XCodes that's right, Red elemental Blast is budget and Pyroblast is a couple of bucks.
@KhanGarth
4 жыл бұрын
XCodes Pyroblast is sub 5 bucks for most printings
I love this list, but just imo I’d replace reverberate for dualcaster mage. You still get the copy, and dualcaster goes back to your hand for a future use!
This video goes perfect with a cup of hot cocoa, because learning how to counter C-Rift in creative ways is a cozy feeling.
Ah yes how to deal with Cyclonic Rift, “Be blue” essentially lmao. Only 3 of the answers weren’t blue.
@KhanGarth
4 жыл бұрын
also Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast in red...
@isaiahwelch8066
4 жыл бұрын
Imp's Mischief in black too...
i love how he reads the card counterspell.
I remember when I was just getting into magic...my friend kept playing and recurring cyclonic rift over...I was in boros commander colors and wasnt having a fun time.
@HRPufnsting
4 жыл бұрын
Your friend sounds like a dick.
@MekanikKommandoh88
4 жыл бұрын
No Pyroblast or Red Elemental Blast?
Mitch! I've just built doran using your video you are a genius it runs amazingly thanks man
You didn't mention the best way of beating Cyclonic Rift, Void Winnower.
I play Perplexing Chimera specifically for Rift... which will steal the rift and return the chimera to my hand! ...Oh also I like to use Nevermore and name Cyclonic Rift
@calebcrain5086
4 жыл бұрын
Chimera Rift is actually my backup plan for my opponents cyclonic rift in my Azorius control.
Shhhh, Mitch. Don't tell them. Please. "No one ever casts it like that" About four games and an end of the world ago, I did. It bounced a Collector Ouphe that was preventing me from comboing off with Dramatic Scepter.
Nice video Mitch. I added all these cards to my list so I can use then for future reference. I think it's important to have a answer for rift in a commander deck(3 would be better) since it's a god damn staple on pretty much any deck that uses blue.
I'm not gonna lie - I love beating Cyclonic Rift. It's amazing to have someone cast it on you, thinking they weren't going to die that turn...but you kill them anyway. It's not that good of a card, bring it on blue! To answer the question, it's not that hard to beat it, but does require some things. A way to generate a ton of mana and haste will do it.
@PhazonOmega
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, there are definitely ways around it, or to beat it! That's why I don't have a problem with it. That, and I don't see it much. If you know you're going to see it, though, there are many ways around it while synergizing with your deck.
@orgazmo686971
4 жыл бұрын
@@PhazonOmega I prefer any board wipe that gives me my cards back over a board wipe that destroys everything. That is, if I can't win immediately despite it.
@Fishcrab
4 жыл бұрын
Join the U.L.B.F (United Legion of Boros FishCrabs). Almighty Fishcrab will treat you well and the legion will protect you.
I'm proud to say I got my cyclonic rift 3 years ago for 6 dollars.
@MultiBeerme
4 жыл бұрын
I got two out of a booster box when Return to Ravnica was new. One of which is foil. Looking at the price for them now, those two alone almost make up the cost of the box I bought them in.
Nice choices. One that didn't get mentioned was Didn't Say Please. For 1 Mana more than Counterspell you can in addition force him to mill 3. And it's even cheaper IIRC.
Counterspell is great, but I think many people overlook many other effective counters, too, like Dispel, Spell Pierce, and Mana Leak. They can cost less, and the downsides won't typically matter. Plus, they're still excellent protection against much of your opponents' interaction in general!
Timestop is one of my faves. Stops eldrazi casting abilities, maelstrom wanderer cascade triggers, and anything else that cant be countered or is just hard to counter.
You brought up a lot of reactive cards, perhaps precautionary answers like Nevermore and Praetor’s Grasp could be considered? And green could definitely try Seedtime.
I like foil, which is an instant for 4 Mana, it counters a spell, but you can discard an island and another card to cast it, I use it on decks that always have a ton of cards in hand so it is really useful there
The ''problem" with rift is that a lot of people use it just before they plan to win. If you just use it as an instant speed bounce wipe with the sole purpose of cleaning the board up a bit it is really just a fair card. They will play half their board again next turn. Because of the usual way of playing it people hate it
Teferis protection is great, and is currently in print in mystery booster. A great set.
THANK YOU!! Screw Cyclonic Rift, I don’t need you!!
I play Kadena in EDH now so it was funny to watch list thing how Aethersnatch was going to be mentioned knowing that we have several morph counter cards include Kheru Spellsnatcher lol.
In Boros colors, I like Legion's Initiative: 2-drop anthem that can protect ur creatures, and returns them in time to block at the next combat step (and also triggers etbs).
Teferi's Protection. Cannot bounce phased cards. Very helpful if you have a token army.
In my playgroup, lots of people play No max hand size cards like Reliquary Tower so that this is less of a setback. Graveyard based decks can just discard to hand size then resurrect everything important later making Cyclonic Rift less of an issue as well. Basically, if you know the Rift exists there are ways to play around it. Others in the comments will have good ideas about this but this is just some basic stuff we do.
Teferi's Protection did get a reprint, and it's cheaper than it was, but still expensive. Hopefully we can get even more reprints some time. :)
There's a reason I sneak a red elemental blast/pyro on every red deck I make (Naya, Jund, etc). That reason is called Cyclonic rift. Or Expropiate. They never see it coming. As a bonus, red elemental blast / pyro it's a valid target for Sunforger :)
Yes! I love using time stop.
(Irrelevant to the video) Can you do an updated Aminatou decklist? I’ve been wanting to build her but I can’t find any decklist that have an explanation
Rip, I'm second. Anyways, go boros and make more boros content! Go boros! Support the legion!
@Jkuchenbrod
4 жыл бұрын
Am I, a fellow Mardu player, also allowed to join? :)
@slimyfister
4 жыл бұрын
Like a consolation prize for actually playing Boros; this comment was nearly their first success
@Jkuchenbrod
4 жыл бұрын
@Ethan Packer Then you should stick to it. Boros is so good
@Fishcrab
4 жыл бұрын
Join the cult of fish crab. Almighty fishcrab will look generously on you.
@borosman720
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jkuchenbrod Yes. Rakdos is allowed, just don't make our soldiers daredevils, or devils.
save up for a teferi's protection or im SOL. i did have eerie interlude in the deck but im running too many artifacts and enchantments
Why wasn't Redirect mentioned? Does it not work like I think it does? Best counter would be an ETB themed deck like Thassa.
Play smokestack and tanglewire. They will never make it to 7 mana
@kcb73mgb1
2 жыл бұрын
had a guy PMS on me due to smokestack and he played Rift... I put in Armageddon and REB and Pybro blast my deck makes treasures like crazy. I am so looking forward to playing again and saying hey I removed the Stack that upset you when he has no lands left lol.
This is a really good topic, nice 1
I think Cyclonic Rift is overshadowing other amazing blue field wipes like Evacuation, Engulf the Shore, and Reduce to Dreams. I've cast Evacuation in response to destroy all creatures field wipes to make the caster functionally only field wipe themselves due to discard.
Narset's reversal, familiar's ruse, gutural response, Mana drain, negate, also frilled mystic is good cause it counters cyclonic rift and gives you a blocker.
Yesterday I beat a Cyclonic Rift. I was playing Urza and I already had nothing on the field-horrible opening hand (I went with the weird plan of charging up a Blast Zone) and had my Urza countered. A player Time Spiraled and I got a much better hand. Still nothing on my field. At one point, a player Overloaded a Rift and it didn’t affect me at all. Then rebuilding, I played my Urza again and in my following turn, I played my combo kill of Grim Monolith and Power Artifact and won.
Ghostway does almost the same thing as Eerie Interlude!
Cyclonic Rift, or as it's known at my table "Cyclon- GODDAMNIT"
@Cyberium
4 жыл бұрын
Justice rains.... ahhhhh~~~~
This looks very interesting as much as anyone I hate cyclonic rift unless I play a Aethrrsnatch
I have used reverberate to great success against rift. Also narset's reversal is killer because it literally protects you
Sudden substitution is a workhorse i have used it against a rift and to great effect lol its a lil more broad than reins of power imo
Now that the death trigger is a thing I'm probably more likely to not overload rift and just bounce something slightly annoying to put them off tempo if the timing is right
@TheMystcast
4 жыл бұрын
Hmm good point. Since this death trigger thing is now a thing. Cyc rift is good against a child of alara. Which means they might never ban it.
Hey Mitch! With equestria as a confirmed planes, would you ever make a princess twilight sparkle decktech?
@TheMaddestHatter234
4 жыл бұрын
I think he played that in an episode of Quest For The Janklord
Turn the fan on high only blowing away the person who cast cyclonic rift's cards off the table.
Similar to eerie interlude and somewhat underrated is ghostway.
Can you counter it with kozilek great distortion ?
Just got a reins of power for my kopala deck!!!
I love commandeer lol will misdirection work on rift??
I like Planar Guide and Teferi's Veil.
I found curse of echos is a good deterrent for the fellow blue player really doing anything
Cyclonic Rift with Narset, Parter of Veils in play. Then cast Windfall. Add Narset's Reversal in there for the hell of it.
You could just play a card that you can name a certain card that opponents can not be cast and choose cyclonic rift. Council of the Absolute is a good one as it even makes the spell 2 cheaper for you to cast.
I feel kind of horrible but I am here to see what way that rift is countered because I like rift lol. Its was the first good card I pulled out of a pack
Could you do a "The Best Ways to Beat Expropriate" video?
This is what Magic is about for me, one person having a haymaker and another going SIKE! One day I will Narset's Reversal a Cyc Rift and it will be glorious
I love Sudden Substitution. However, while your opponent can't easily stop Sudden Substitution, they can wait for it to resolve and then counter the Rift while it is in your posession
@staren1991
4 жыл бұрын
I'd still say that's a win :p
Banning cyclonic rift is the best option, however if this is not possible it was nice to see that I am forced to play blue in order to defend myself against this oppressive card The token not too white and red were nice but in my junk and sacrifice deck I do not have room for reverberate, and in my Gisela deck I certainly do not have the money to play eight affairs protection therefore these cars were not actually answers
Dualcaster mage resets itself when it copies Cyc Rift. Personally, my favorite remains Quicken + Fireball with Riku doubling to kill the casting player.
On Sudden Substitution, if you give them a creature with an ETB you'll bounce it back to your hand to play it again. Value town!
How to beat it? Just gotta play Blue yourself! *ecks dee*
"Just counter it" 4Head
Opponent : "Overload Cyclonic Rift, GG?" Me : *taps two Islands* "Scissors.* Opponent : "What?" Scissors ; UU : Counter target spell, then cut that card in half. "TO SHOW YOU THE POWER OF FLEX TAPE!" - Phil Swift
@BlancTangerine
4 жыл бұрын
You can tell the quality of a player by how much Flex Tape is on their copy of Cyclonic Rift.
Veil of Summer works for Green. Edit: I’m wrong, I thought it was protection from blue and black.
I personally don’t find anyone wrong with rift specifically and I have gotten backlash for that decision but I have just not had to many bad experiences but I also have the mindset of just shuffle up but also I have personally seen it used as a last resort rather than a game winning decision but all in all good video man Edit: #savethebauble
Disrupting Shoal requires one less blue card to exile though it does have to match the converted mana cost.
@wyattsax
4 жыл бұрын
@Travirus, would it’s CMC be 2 or 7?
@TravirusTheKing
4 жыл бұрын
@@wyattsax 2 because Overload is an alternative cost, and thus it keeps the convert mana cost of 2 even though you pay 7 for it.
@wyattsax
4 жыл бұрын
Travirus, Thanks!!
Spell Snare?
Is there anything in Green or Black that can deal with Rift
@theotherguy4478
4 жыл бұрын
Amulet of Safekeeping, Avoid Fate, Dash Hopes, and Null Brooch are the only spells that may be helpful to stop Cyclonic Rift. Sundial of the Infinite will work if Cyclonic Rift was cast on your turn.
@slimyfister
4 жыл бұрын
B: Make rift not affect you by having a sac outlet and payoff. Run targeted discard. Run mass discard. Maybe cards with madness or ltb's too. !Spawning pit is colourless and can 'save up' your creatures in case of the worst.! Hopefully a green player will know how to help because idk maybe just have a little weep at your dismantled state in mono g
Cyclonic rift usually ends games not anymore!thx 🙏 now I can win against someone who plays it!!!!
Im a fan of reins of power.......but I get around cyclonic rift by playing gaddock Teeg
Mitch is the reason you aren't doing many budget decks right now is because Wayfarer's Bauble has gone up in price that its hard to put it in a budget deck?
You could use Emmisary of Grudges ability and instead use the cyclonic rift in your favor
@coreyroberson4550
4 жыл бұрын
That only works on a 2 mana Rift, not a 7 mana overloaded Rift - with overload, it doesn't have any targets.
ways to beat someone trying to beat cyclonic rift save it till you have extra mana and can counter there counter or in some cases use it as a threat to deter people from going after you that's what I did recently let my opponents go after each other cause they didnt want their board wiped
The lack of non-blue options here makes me wonder if WotC might ever print creatures in black or green or white with an ability like "This creature cannot be put into its owner's hand from the battlefield" or something. Sort of the bounce-proof version of Trostani Discordant.
@goolabbolshevish1t651
4 жыл бұрын
Would make sense for white, they have tax and no you cant do that effects. Green I could see it on a treefolk, like it takes root and refuses to budge.
Reins of Power seems like the most fun. That player will forever think twice before casting CR in the future.
perplexing chimera can exchange itself with Cyclonic Rift
Another good way to beat rift is to force it out of someone’s hand. All of these options are worthless if the table is too afraid of the rift and just don’t hurt the player holding it up.
My favorite way to beat rift... is combo out with it on the stack. (My playgroup plays at the high end of power)
@marceloquejinho
4 жыл бұрын
How rude! I loved it! 😆😆
@TheMaddestHatter234
4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful
Last time I was this early, wayfarer's bubble wasn't even a card
Flash in Worldgorger Dragon!
Can't bounce my creatures if I sacrifice them all in response to a sac outlet. Go Golgari!
Mana Tithe. “Are you gonna pay the one?” 😆
Just want to double check can you narsets reversal an overloaded rift of it still doesn't target?
@j-lohome-slice7425
4 жыл бұрын
You can, you coppy the overloaded part if the spell was cast that way
@SimpleVisionVideos
4 жыл бұрын
"you may choose new targets for the copy" only applies to targeted spells, if there is no target you can just ignore that line, it's not a requirement
@diggerdog9205
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
Before watching the video I would say Narset’s Reversal.
This card is an apotheosis of blue. I had it overload in response to Dragon mage's effect. I DISCARDED my hand. It ruined my day entirely.
RIP green and black
On the one hand, I'm glad I don't face anyone in my friend group who has this $35+ card. On the other hand, I feel like a dick for running Mana Reflection in my mono green deck... No, I won't take it out.
Join the U.L.B.F (United Legion of Boros FishCrabs). Almighty Fishcrab will treat you well and the legion will protect you. #ULOBF
@lillylazer_666
4 жыл бұрын
UnitedCultOf Fishcrab sounds great I’m in!
Narset's reversal
My playgroup had a pretty good strategy for solving the problem that is a cyclonic rift. We just bitched really really really hard and talk massive shit whenever anyone plays that card and we did so to such an extent that we all got tired of being bitched at and we all basically got rid of our cyclonic ridt and we just don’t use that card ever because we’re so tired of all the bitching about that card.
Now let us never forget, talk to your playgroop first, but you can just rip the card up :3
@shaggyunbound6475
4 жыл бұрын
Or punch em in the face
@jayseph9698
4 жыл бұрын
Modern problems require modern solution
I have a gitrog monster deck with alter of dementia so I ain't scared of rift, you cast it and then in response I will destroy half your library or more and then play bojoka bog
@TheMystcast
4 жыл бұрын
Most of my decks have etb triggers so like if they bounce my board that's fine ill just cast a bunch of stuff and ruin the fun they had with regret and remorse
Let me be honest here... the best way to ever punish somebody who constantly has the rift... Flashing out a perplexing chimera. Take control of the rift AND get your chimera back.
Just gonna be honest, it really feels like the only way to deal with Cyclonic Rift is either to play Blue yourself, or have an expensive answer. :/
@jacquesdespadas
4 жыл бұрын
Nah, Eerie Interlude is about $2, Pyroblast is similar, and red Elemental Blast is like 50 cents. Reverberate is about $1.50.
@ozzysmith2571
3 жыл бұрын
As a monogreen player I I literally have nothing. Best I've got is If I manage to have seed time I CNA have 1 turn to maybe build up a couple of things but that's pretty much meaningless when I've got a few cheap things back on board staring down my opponents perfect baord state.