It might be cheaper to use the heater on your Mini

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Cheaper AND quieter...

The Chinese diesel world on KZread has consuned me. So much information, misinformation, science, theories , drama, etc. I find myself entertained and confused. So many decisions, do I put it inside or outside? I just got mine yesterday so I'm officially in the cult. Bye the way, your comment section is pretty amazing. Never seen anyone else make such lengthy and detailed replies.

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

Hey... I released a video yesterday about emissions of these heaters... actually testing on indoors. I have been messing with (torturing) these for over a year. If you have questions, let me know. Putting it inside or outside is personal preference. If you put it inside, you need to safely route your exhaust outside, meaning, getting all the gasses out and clear if any air passage into your area, as well as making sure the hot exhaust doesn't burn your wall(s). Putting it outside means that you need some large holes to duct the inlet and outlet air. You will want to recirculate the air for efficiency. If for some reason you choose not to, you need to make sure you are pulling in fresh air and not air that coms out of your exhaust. Haha... I try to help people when I can. I suggest watching my latest video, I will try to share the link with you, but KZread doesn't always allow. Welcome aboard... there are lots of helpful people in my comment section.

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4SBr8GxmtLIn6w.html

I use motor oil with an e85 mix..I start up on pure diesel for 5 minutes, then switch to the mix, you can only run it on high with waste oil, the burn chamber has to be 210 C. I use a 5 micron filter for the waste oil..Switch to pure diesel for 5 minutes before shutting off..I made a cast iron exhaust to capture more exhaust heat..It works great if you follow those instructions..

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestions. I have actually tried running mine with a fairly high concentration of Methanol in a waste oil and diesel mix, but not starting it on diesel. It has. been almost -30 here for a few weeks so my heater doesn't shut off until it stops from being fill of carbon. My heater generally fluctuates between 206 and 212, and even at that it carbons up. I think I need to do more filtering, and continue with the testing. How much e85 to waste oil are you using ?

@realeyesrealizereallies6828

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 I have two tanks with a ball valve, one is pure diesel for start up and shut down the other is waste oil 70% waste oil 30% E85, and I filter the waste oil down to 5 microns, I've also lowered the pump rate on high, less fuel more air, there is a code for that on some diesel heaters..I have a friend who is a diesel engine engineer, who came up with that set up, he did something else to the burn chamber, but I'll have to ask him because I'm not 100% I can explain it correctly, I'll get back to you though, once I talk to him..Before that final tweek it ran good, never shut down, didn't smoke, but it did leave some carbon in the chamber, now it burns really clean..I didn't come up with any of it though, I just benefitted from knowing the right guy..He also makes bio diesel and black diesel..And never ran the mix on anything but high, all the way full blast..The chamber is not hot enough on any other setting..

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@realeyesrealizereallies6828 Right on ! It's good to know people like that, haha. I have tried several times to get into the hidden menu on my controller, but my remote does not respond the way people show it working in videos. Either there is a different way to get to that menu, or they have taken that functionality out of my remote. I'm in Canada, and the ones that I have seen that are able to set the fuel and air ratios are ... well... basically anywhere else. US, UK, Australia, Scotland... There is one other Canadian KZreadr who has the same controller as me, as far as I can tell, and his seems to lack functionality as well... maybe I will ask him if he knows how to get to the hidden features. Thanks again for the input !

@joshpoole6056

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 the high altitude feature he's talking about is activated by hitting a combination of 2 buttons and holding down until you see a mountain icon in the display. Just try different combinations of the 4 buttons. On mine it's both buttons on the left I think.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@joshpoole6056 Thanks Josh. I was able to get mine into "alpine mode" for higher altitude ... This feature slows the pump and makes it run leaner. The issue is that it seems to to be too much of a change and / or I need more fan speed. The control that I need is to be able to control the fan speed independently of the pump. This way I can put the fan at max, and play with the fuel until I get a clean burn.

Well you hit your 1K + subscribers, well done. I also saw the video with the guy saying he had burned everything in the Chinese heater for three years. Some people exaggerate which is a nice way of saying they are full of it. I appreciate your Chinese heater videos subscribed and THANKS! Keep up the good work!

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thank you ! The reason why I bought my heater is because of that guy who said he had burnt crap in his for 3 years... Full of crap and leading a lot of people into doing something dangerous and costing them money.... he is the reason I decided to do this series... So I guess.... "thank you" to that guy lol... 😂

I have received my one and have encountered similar issues to you. I have several strategies to attempt to avoid carbon build up. I have a T join in the fuel line, and have pure diesel in the tank up top, and in a separate container I have my “black fuel”. So I run the diesel on startup and during shutdown, running it at full blast for 10-15 minutes to decarbonise the combustion chamber. The oil is decanted before being placed in the black fuel tank and from there it passes a large car diesel fuel filter before entering the T valve. I have shortened the piping between the pulse pump and the burner to shorten the fuel transition. I also plan to wrap a copper line around the exhaust to heat the fuel before it enters the injection line. This should help the black fuel to reach a temperature closer to its higher flash point temp, resulting in a complete combustion.

@dr.v-dubious5397

Жыл бұрын

+1 ,,,except the the oil feed line around exhaust might boil/vapor lock? but doing that wrap just to boil recirculate back in to heat the oil tank yea

@dr.v-dubious5397

Жыл бұрын

all that exhaust heat shud b captured in thermal mass somehow

@dan2fast4you21

Жыл бұрын

@@dr.v-dubious5397 When running pure diesel the exhaust temperature is the highest and reachers a max of 215 degrees. It should be ok for the black fuel, but yes it should be looked out for during tue first tests.

@dr.v-dubious5397

Жыл бұрын

@@dan2fast4you21 his exhaust got glowing red hot,,,lol,,,looked hot enough to vaporize oil... i follow the vapor carb community too; that heat cud be used to vaporize any contaminated old petroleum to run a generator aswell. (variable 555timer circuit&transistor,,, with course injectors spraying on the hot surface enclosed[sealable/cleanable]&plumbed to genny intake..vacuum jar&boil methods fall short just fractioning it incomplete) it would be a good marriage for off grid

@shanehogarth6373

Жыл бұрын

Can I ask how long you have been doing this successfully without it needing a strip and clean? I have tried the method you suggest without a lot of success.

It’s almost as if the diesel heater is trying to tell you something - “I’m a diesel heater, for burning diesel!” What the hell is the attraction with burning used engine oil and cooking oil anyway? And who has spare used engine and cooking oil in their lives? Absolutely nuts.

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

I know right... Why don't they change the name on the box to "waste oil heater" ... it would make things so much easier. There are a few attractions to burning waste oils. For lots of people they are free or very cheap. I am a mechanic and I end up with lots of engine oil. Others have arrangements with restaurants. The restaurant doesn't have to pay a disposal fee whoever takes it gets low cost fuel. While these heaters are less than ideal for burning this stuff, this is a very common thing and you can buy waste oil furnaces. Many automotive shops use them. For me, at this point, it is a desire to tinker and experiment. At the time of making this video, it was because I was selling my belongings to buy frozen pizzas and didn't have money for heat.

Compelling series my new friend...must see TV...lol...I can't stop watching😁thanks again for the tips and such...may God bless you..

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

So sorry that I missed your comment. I am not sure how this happened. Thank you for the comment and well wishes !

Joel, any sign of a glowing red hot exhaust is a sure sign that incandescent combustion of your fuel isn't being competed inside the combustion tube. It is a warning not to be ignored as a shop fire is a very likely result.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment. Thanks for the concern. I am aware of the dangers and am prepared to deal with it or accept responsibility for my failures.

@hillaryclinton2415

6 ай бұрын

plus, due to the unit design (and OP not having a fan on that part of pipe) it will melt fuel lines and destroy intake hose.

Thanks for sharing. I've found that all drain oil is not the same. Synthetic motor oil requires much higher temperatures to burn properly in the diesel heater. It also requires a good filter to remove all the tiny metal particles common in drain oil. My mix is 70% diesel and 20% drain oil. I use two tanks for the supply with ball valves on each. Fire the unit up on diesel and after the heater gets hot make the switch to black oil. Then switch back before shutting down.

@bertjesklotepino

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. And it runs on hydraulic fluid as well. As it does veggie oil etc. No problems. Just a small bit of mixing, and obviously starting and heating it up on clean fuel, just as shutting it down on clean fuel. So it can burn away a bit of the crap.

@spoid54

Жыл бұрын

70/20? whats the other 10%?

@bertjesklotepino

Жыл бұрын

@@spoid54 damn, good observation.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

I have been experimenting with starting on diesel and then switching, and if it runs more than 4 hours I do 15 minutes on diesel before continuing on my oil mix. It has given me the best results so far.

@hitekredneck109

9 ай бұрын

​@@spoid54lol.....I was gonna ask the same thing......maybe 10% of the cocktail mixture he was drinking when he came up with 70/20?

Run with it!!! Reclaim that heat from the exhause with a fan blowing over the exhaust!

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Haha... that's probably the best plan. It's all just heat.

Thank you, very informative 👍

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

I like your style man.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Haha... thanks ! I appreciate you saying so !!

you are the first one that used motor oil, we learn a lot from you , the key is to start up and cooldown on cleaner oil , and replace that green supply pipe , its to soft for the pulse pump , code 8

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment . I don't know that I am the first... There are others that have tried it I'm sure. I will continue testing 👍 I have heard that about the fuel line, but I don't believe it to be true as the oil does not inject into the chamber... it just drools in like a sleeping drunk, haha.

If you used it on the floor it will heat the room more efficiently , heat rises so it’s going to cut off sensing the temperature a lot quicker .

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I will worry about how efficient it is when it runs for more than two days, haha. I just put it on the shelf as it was easy and out of the way. If I can get it to work dependably, I will install it under my bench on the other side of the shop.

Great video 👍👍

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

Have a very happy holidays!!!!!

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Thanks !! Very kind, haha.

I didn't know vevor had one of those 😂

@loweredexpectations4927

5 ай бұрын

This is why I need to spread the word !

I’ve signed up. Can’t wait

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

I hope I don't dissapoint, haha. Thanks for the comment !

some oils, like synthetics, are harder to burn. You’ll want a high as possible burn chamber temperature to minimize carbon buildup. I’d tune that thing in a safe place, and get it running reliably before installing it in your shop! I’m glad it didn’t burn down ! I ran an asphalt plant for a decade…always ran used oil for heating the mix drum. Same principle, on a much larger scale. I’d have a circulation pump and filter baskets going 24/7 for the used oil, Heated tank(130°C). Oil pressure, filtration, blower speed, exhaust flow, are all critical to good burner performance. I’d have a burner tech flown in every spring for a “stack test”, which we had to pass before commencing production…he’d test not only for particulates, but for unburned gasses in the exhaust stack. We could “dial in” the burner, by monitoring the results from his probes, adjusting oil pressure and blower air “on the fly”. I was always in the drum cleaning out burner, usually once a week, and certainly before a stack test. There are alot of variables in your case, oil viscosity is important, too. Heated oil burns better, and so do thinner or lighter oils. Carbon is unburned oil and contaminants. Once you dial in your air fuel mixture, pressure, filtration, and oil viscosity, you are away to the races…and have better, longer lasting results. cheers!

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the detailed comment. If you keep watching the series, you will see that I came to the same conclusion that it needed to be much hotter. I thankfully made it through lots of testing without any unintentional fires or CO poisoning... I have decided to change up my testing in the future... whenever that happens. I can look at my garage walls and see the soot. A system that self cleaned (mechanical) would be interesting, as you say, frequent cleaning is inevitable. Thanks again for the info / comment !

We run the made German espar heaters in our trucks. Even those are finicky sometimes running straight diesel so I couldn't imagine running waste oil in them. We also have a waste oil heater for the shop runs great ran everything thru that but those do have tuning adjustments and after having it for a while you learn what it should sound like and go adjust it accordingly.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. You're not the first person to leave a comment about even the good ones being finicky. If I lived in a different place, I'd build a waste oil heater, but my location is not ideal for that. I grew up in a house burning firewood as our only heat source until I was 17-18, so I know all about playing with stuff to keep in burning and getting just the right sound. 👍

@howardosborne8647

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 Interesting that you notice that good burner combustion has a particular sound to it. your ears get well tuned to it after a while. I can tell by the sound alone if my chinese import diesel heater is not burning correctly.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@howardosborne8647 Haha... yeah, I guess I'm a bit of an old school mechanic. When you get an engine close to working right you have to use other indicators, but when you're starting out you can often tell if an engine is too rich or too lean by the sounds it makes, or doesn't make. Also, I've been playing with this heater for a LOT of hours and I've learned that some sounds are good and some are bad, haha.

Most other videos use less than 20 % used oil. Your the only one saying gasoline I have seen. May be your issue. Glad you are truthfully giving a real life situation. Thank you.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment !! For me, it is all about trying to find a cost effective way to burn the waste oil. If I add more than 25% diesel, then there is no cost savings to me over burning natural gas. The reason I'm trying gasoline is partly the cost, and partly on because it adds volatility and thins the oil... trying to replicate the burn characteristics of diesel by finding the right mix ratio... but, there may not be such a thing. (with gas) I am going to be trying to filter my oil better, as the quality of my oil (from air cooled engines) may be a large part of the issues. There are so many variables, so it is hard to get a definite answer to any testing that I do, but I'm still trying. Thanks again.

@robertclark5752

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 I understand that. We were kind of thinking about using some old oil too. We don't have a lot but sure would save some money. We may get a heater too soon. Thank you.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@robertclark5752 If you end up getting one, make sure to do a little research and get one with a controller that has the ability to change the fan speed independently of the fuel feed... I think most of them have it in a hidden menu, but I made the assumption they all had it, and mine does not appear to... If you are paying with experimental fuels, it is a good idea to be able to keep your fan speed up and feed it lots of air, while limiting fuel flow to get a cleaner burn. The basic controls will automatically increase fuel and air speed at the same time, and this works ok for the intended fuel... but not so much with anything else. Check out David McLuckie's videos for lots of in depth info.

@MrRatkilr

Жыл бұрын

I bought one of these that heats coolant in engine block. For my old dodge Powerwagon. Got tired of having to plug it in. Now can just push button 15-20 minutes before work and coolant is warm enough to defrost windows. My garage air heaters are supposed to be just run on diesel. My water heating one in my old truck according to instructions can run on gas or diesel. But not both. Was in a rush before winter to get engine heater in. Did not have spare gaskets or parts for it. Been almost 7-8 weeks and it's running fine off gas in vehicle fuel tank. Don't even want to try to run gasoline in my garage diesel heaters.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@MrRatkilr That's awesome ! I've seen them in videos for heating the cooling system, but never in person. That's a great idea... I would be interested to see what they change to burn gas... I have seen people try to run the ones I have on gasoline, and it doesn't work well at all... Basically, the gas is too volatile and burns up rapidly and with a lot of pressure. That causes it to go out for a fraction if a second, and then light back up with a OOMPH again... it does this multiple times a seconds... If you have ever heard a pulse jet engine, that seems to be what is happening when they burn gas. I suspect that when they burn gas, they have a slightly different way of injecting the fuel and or a slightly different burn chambre that allows for a more gradual burn, perhaps actually injecting fuel at two different locations in the same chambre. Either way, that sounds like the answer compared to plugging in !

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from subscriber 77.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Wallace !! I see you got on board with the folks over on Patreon ! I'm a little busy for a proper welcome, due to Christmas and stuff, but I will get to it as soon as possible. Thanks for the subs !!

I bought one of these heaters. I haven't used it yet. I plan to power it with a battery bank charged by a solar panel.

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

That's a great ide ! You don't need much power. They draw 10 amps on start up, when running the glow plug, but then once it starts up, the plug turns off and they only draw 3-4 amps depending on pump and fan speed.

Just run the fuel to the specification it was designed for and not junk. I never can understand how people that have no idea how physics works try and modify equipment, then post videos saying that the equipment is at fault. These were never designed to burn waste oil and the results of doing so are obvious. Thank you for sharing your findings hopefully this will help educate those people before they burn their house down.

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Not sure if you're taking shots at me or other video creators... not sure if you watched my video, or the entire 30 part series that I did. I never once blamed the heater. These are amazing pieces of kit, and I just installed one in my truck. The point of this video, and this video series is to show people that there are many people out there telling lies about these heaters. Many people claiming that they burn just about anything, without issue.

You probably knew this already but if you burn used oils and other a bit viscous and dirty stuff, it is best to mix with pure diesel oil. Then it will burn cleaner.

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. You are 100% correct. These videos will hopefully show others that waste oils are NOT a good idea, and save them from a lot of mess ! I now have 4 of these heaters and 3 of them run on pure diesel... no issues at all.

Waste oil furnaces use a pre-heating block to pre- heat the motor oil. Thins out the viscosity.

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. I have had a few other people mention this as well, and have chatted with a few boiler and heater techs. In a later video in this series I have done some testing with preheating the oil 👍

Move the heater outside for safety. The chimey fire is caused by the cole and tar flying to the pipes. That is dangerous. It is basically caused by burning the waste oil

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the advice. You are right again. The waste oil does not burn completely and builds up... this causes the chimney fire.

@henrikstenlund5385

6 ай бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 Yes, I can see that now that you were testing to see how far you can go with dirty oils. With diesel the heater can work reliably for a long time.

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

@@henrikstenlund5385 I have one installed in my truck, and I love it. It only gets clean fresh diesel.

In my opinion for how cheap and efficient it is it’s not worth running waste oil but if your willing to put in the time to filter filter filter and set it up to start on diesel and switchover and also shut off on diesel it can work

@loweredexpectations4927

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment. For a lot of people who buy these heaters, they are doing so because they can't afford the cost of running their conventional heating system. Electric, propane or oil heat. My mother spends over 3/4 of her income on heating her house in the winter, as an example. For the cost of diesel where I am, it would cost $400 a month to heat my garage with one of these heaters, so that is the incentive for many to try to burn waste oil. While many have claimed that starting on diesel and switching, works in these heaters, it does not. Engine oil leaves behind ash when it is consumed, even new engine oil. These heaters plug very quickly when burning engine oil. Veg oil has glycerin and will also clog these heaters pretty quickly. I have about 30 more videos experimenting with waste oils.

Diesel heaters are designed for diesel, waste oil heaters are designed for waste oil. I'm not sure why anyone would try the Cross over, if you want a waste oil heater make one, heat the oil first to get the correct viscosity and use an atomiser burner, expect to clean it out on a regular basis.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment... If you're not sure why anyone would try this, then I'm afraid you missed the point of the video... People try this, including me, because there are a whole bunch of asshats on KZread claiming that these things are perfectly fine for burning waste oil... I'm a mechanic, I know that there's a LOT of crap in oil, and I was skeptical that this would work, but the first videos that I watched were people saying they worked for 3 years burning the worst waste oil ever, veg oil, oil with water.... so it was either these people are complete pieces of trash (I know now this is the answer) or I'm missing something and it really works. In part, I'm making these videos to show that they don't work well for this, that they are dangerous when used in this way, and to highlight that there are a whole bunch of idiots out there who simply repeat what they hear, spread lies and don't take the time to actually test something before telling the world that it's the best thing ever. If I lived in a different area, had more space, was further from neighbours etc, I would totally build a waste oil heater, I collected supplies to build one a few years ago, but it's just not practical.

@MattJordanWoodturning

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 possibly I've missed the point, and I accept that, but reading through the comments many haven't and still have suggestions to try and make this work, it's like some holy grail. Hopefully someone will read this and accept waste oil heaters are a concept on their own. I also accept we are in desperate times..

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@MattJordanWoodturning It's funny, I just replied to someone who was calling me names because " I have a friend who has one of these to heat his garage and he's been using it for 3 years with no issues." I get an equal amount of people calling me an idiot for thinking that it will work as I do people calling me an idiot for saying it's not working 😂 To be fair, mine has heated my garage for a month now, and I only have to turn on my natural gas when I'm cleaning the diesel heater out, haha. So, once every two days for an hour or so... If you consider that "working" then there's something wrong but hey, each to their own. The average person doesn't have the basic understanding of how things burn or why oil is not a great fuel... so yeah, there are a lot of people who have silly ideas as to why this isn't working. The closest thing that I have heard to a reasonable "fix" is to use a controller that has independent control over the fan speed and fuel delivery. The idea being that you can then max out the fan speed to create a lot of air flow through the burn chamber, and then adjust the fuel delivery to get a acceptable air fuel ratio. Hopefully people read your comment and think that and hopefully people watch my videos and see that it is a royal pain in the ass and give this waste oil thing a second thought. I can't imagine anyone watching my videos and thinking... "Yeah, I think I'll give that a go". haha.

@MattJordanWoodturning

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 I used to service a few dedicated waste oil heaters in garages, the main issue the heaters always had was soot, blocked nozzles and filters. Service interval was only 3 months to clean the heat exchanger, change the filters and the nozzle. The oil was always heated and atomised using low pressure compressed air. Even then the soot was 2 - 3mm at each service. If you have a good supply of waste oil then burning it is always a good solution if you are willing to put the time in, especially with energy prices the way they are. The initial process of moisture removal and filtering does reduce many of the combustion issues. Constancy is the issue. You still have the issue of viscosity, the pump would require setting up to overcome that and I would recommend heating the oil first, 80 degrees Celsius was the tank temp on most heaters. Even then I would expect issues, running on max could help with the correct pump speed. I use these heaters myself, on red diesel, I also have a supply of waste oil if I wished, but I don't 😉

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

​@@MattJordanWoodturning Yeah, it's not surprising that waste oil furnaces build up soot. Diesel is designed to burn and it still soots up some, in things that it was designed to burn in... So, waste oil, that is designed / modified not to burn, with all sorts of contaminants ... It's not surprising that it would soot up. Also, many of those furnaces are burning (I assume) gallons a day. My waste oil supply ( forgive me if I already said this) is from air cooled lawnmowers, mostly... So pretty nasty oil to start with, my filtration system is a piece of cloth over a bucket (so far) haha... so yeah. Not the best fuel. I plan to do better filtering. As for the heating, I would want to use a dedicated, on demand electric heater (not sure what that consists of)...Some have suggested copper feed pipe wrapped around the exhaust.... I see at least a few problems with that for both performance and safety, haha. Who knows... maybe this will lead to me using a centrifuge and filtration system to filter my oil and having preheated fuel... This makes sense if I plan to continue to burn waste oil, but it isn't what I started out to do. Due to the very simplistic burn chamber design, and the fact that the heat exchanger tip is exposed at the hot air outlet... I have been considering building a burn chamber agitator that mounts on the end of the exchanger.... If the soot is knocked loose every few minutes maybe it would make its way out before causing a problem ...

Fire in the exhaust is from unburned fuel. You should be able to slow down the fuel pump by adjusting the Hz. You should also be able to adjust the fan speed. It might work fine if you find the right combination of fuel and air mixture to work with the fuel you are using. Good luck! Let us know. It should* help with the carbon buildup as well.

@JoelArseneaultYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Yes, slowing the hz relative to the fan speed would lean it out a little and help. Unfortunately, my controller does not have this ability. I have ordered one that will hopefully allow me to do this. I have heard that the trick is to increase fan speed to max 5000 rpm, and then decrease adjust the fuel (oil) accordingly. Some say no more than 3hz. we will see.

@2cyclebikeraricstreet195

Жыл бұрын

i don't think my controller allows me to adjust the fan speed or hz or fuel pump speed or current draw or fan current draw independently . im not sure what is happening, or needs to happen.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@2cyclebikeraricstreet195 Generally there is a 3 press or 5 press on the settings button that then asks you for a code. (1688) is the code for most. There are quite a few tutorials / informational videos on how to do this. My controller did NOT have this feature and I had to order another ECU and controller. Note that replacing the controller alone will not change the features (from what I understand) they are all stored in the ECU. As for settings, you can do it with a CO sensor, and try to get it to a point where it has reasonable CO, or you can add fuel until you see black smoke and then turn it down a few hz. David McLuckie has some good videos about this. Cheers.

@2cyclebikeraricstreet195

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 ok ty for the tips

Wow , dang boy you gonna burn it all down . Guess you found the afterburner setting 😂

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Haha... they make a controller for these called the "After Burner" ... apparently that was installed on mine from the factory.

First of all, I appreciate your Christmas video. Number two there's this guy I forget his name, but he double filters his waste oil. Using what looks like some kind of water filter system. He's saying you can't have any kind of impurities in the used oil. Then he cuts it with 1/3 diesel. He States he's been running this thing for over a year now with no real issues. I wish I can link that video to you. But he is double filtering used oil. And like I said mixing with 1/3 diesel.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment ! I appreciate the input, for sure. I filter my oil before mixing, and have a filter on the unit, but I should be using a finer filter system, probably. Waste motor oils will have all sorts of contamination from the combustion process, as well as metals from engine wear, and lots of additives that they add to the oil to make it better at being oil, haha.... I am still experimenting and hope to find something that works. I think that filtration is a HUGE part of the battle as whatever contaminants are in the oil will end up in the heater... sooooo, that's a problem if they don't burn.

Maybe if you vented the exhaust directly outside, there would be less restriction and could get rid of the excess heat better. My experience is with a Webasto as a sleeper heater and it was sensitive to additives such as Howes but the exhaust heat was not even nearly as extreme as yours. It had no muffler and sounded like a jet plane taking off on full heat but when it reached set temp was much quieter. I used straight diesel though and with my second truck I stayed away from all additives and had no issues for ten winters.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input and your comment. I had thought about doing something with the exhaust, but then I noticed that they actually have it quite restricted inside of the exhaust port. This tosay, I don't think that the exhaust is the restrictive part of the system. I assume this is to keep more of the heat in the chamber instead of letting it exit the exhaust as waste. I thought about porting this out to make it flow better, but I don't want to change it until I have tried lots of other stuff. They burn such a small amount of fuel that I can see any mix / additive making a difference. Thanks again for the info !

@cowboy6591

Жыл бұрын

I noticed on RV's the muffler is at the very end of the exhaust, at least that keeps it from glowing red hot when something goes to the sharts.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@cowboy6591 Yeah, that's probably a good idea. I don't think they generally have too many issues with glowing exhaust when running on diesel, as intended, but I have heard of it happening.

With such a bad fuel source, you should go with a wood stove and an oil dripper mod instead. Low tech FTW!

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Yes, this would be a much better choice ! Much easier to clean and maintain. I have now invested a significant amount of time and effort into this. For a few years I have been considering a high efficiency wood stove with a basic conversion to burn oil. My garage already has floor heating with tankless heater, and a Mr Heater hanging unit, so I can't justify putting in another heat source, taking up more space and putting more holes in my garage.

Its still cheap wen burning real diesel. And i pay like 9usd per gallon ( Sweden). Not a mechanic so no experiments for me. Well, we have this HVO, more expensive but farmer got better fuel economy on heavy equipment so i will test that eventually to see if i get even better "economy". Thanks for your testnig. Hapoy new year.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment ! Leave the experiments to me, haha. Diesel here is about $2/L kerosene $4/L so this is worthwhile testing.

That exhaust glowing reminded me of a truck going thru a Regen...

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment. Well... Perhaps all this burning is a good thing then 😁 Just going through regen, haha.

Change the lower fuel line to a hard nylon tube… it will solve a few issues…..👍

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it. This comment has been left on many of my videos many times. While it may seem logical, the fuel line has no effect on the operation of these heaters, as long as it doesn't get kinked. Others have made videos addressing this, and I plan on making a video directly addressing the reasons why, as well. Cheers.

This is the most realistic video on these heaters I have seen. I have just bought one for my Garage but have used one before on my Boat. I see some other people have asked for a step by step breakdown on how to strip it down and clean the combustion chamber. This would make a great Video and put you in the top 5 of Diesel Heater engineering Vids :)

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter !! I appreciate the comment. I have a few videos already filmed that will be released first (I assume) but I will do a in depth disassembly and cleaning video. If you are burning diesel or kerosene, I suspect that you would only have to do this every few years. They are not hard to work on / maintain so I will try to get something up for you soon.

@PeterWinnett

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 Can I ask you what the Inner and Outer dimensions of the exhaust pipe are? Cheers, Pete

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@PeterWinnett The flexi exhaust pipe or the outlet ? The flex pipe is a 24mm inside diameter and the outside is only slightly larger at 24.4mm. It is paper thin.

@PeterWinnett

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 Thanks very much, it's no wonder it glows red hot :)

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@PeterWinnett Yes... if it wasn't stainless steel it would probably only last a week. It's very thin.

Additives to remove carbon (like a DPF cleaner) do so by increasing EGT (various ways of doing this) to burn the carbon off. I don't think you need anymore EGT! The gasoline is the likely cause of your burning exhaust as it has the lowest auto ignition temperature and if you get a build up from incomplete combustion at lower settings when you crank it up it'll light off. Carbon build up in the exhaust (silencer) can cause a restriction which will raise EGT's as it takes longer for the exhaust to leave at a higher pressure. As others have mentioned it has an intake duct in the kit. Use it to get it away from the exhaust.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that that's accurate... Typically additives in diesel engines are designed to be run through a catalyst, or the chemical itself acts as a catalyst and reacts in a way to clean stuff out... heat may be a result of the process, but it's not that the reaction causes heat that then does the cleaning. The cleaning causes the heat. I have played with heating and cooling the inlet. Heating seems to have the best results, but in the long term this causes the fan motor to fail... as me how I know :)

Your 90 degree bend from heater way to sharp, result high exhaust temp, remove muffler,straightenen the exhaust pipe with no bends, install fuel tank for used oil/fuel mix with separate fuel selector switch, start on clean diesel until operating temp, switch to used oil/fuel mixture, will operate more efficiently, note no restrictions on air inlet also, have 2 units running at -35 heating 40ftx8 shop unit, running great as above for 2 years

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Sorry that I missed your comment. I see that you put effort into it. I have had many comments about the exhaust being too sharp or in the wrong orientation. While what you are saying is a good rule of thumb, I do not think that this is part of my issue, based on testing I did later in the series. The separate fuel tank is a good idea and I started doing this later in the series. It was one of the things that actually make some improvement.

18 min in you have a stack fire-stop that thing. its your fuel .You need to go 2 tank system with waste oil heated. Start and end run on the light oil, run on thicker stuff after it is preheated. It has to go through the same nozzle as the kero, it ain't right unless it's hot. Cut the leg of a pair of pants, sew the cuff end shut. Use it as a filter for the wvo. hang it and pour through. If you can let the wo settle 6 months it helps. Don't use the bottom stuff. I burn wo in a wo furnace, the stuff is preheated by an inline heater before being sprayed/atomized in through a big nozzle, Water doesn't burn well, and some wo has a lot. It sizzles and sputters. And no bar oil and no brake fluid. No waste hyd oil from a bucket truck- they usually use non flamable stuff.Keep trying I say.

@loweredexpectations4927

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. I learned a cool trick ... If you want to direct someone to a part of a video you can type it like this 18:00 and when they click it, it takes them to that point.... pretty cool. Yes, the fuel doesn't burn completely in the chamber, so it ends up burning in the exhaust... a lot of fun but not the safest thing ever. I have several more videos trying to burn waste motor oil in these heaters. Let's just say they aren't waste oil burners, haha. These heaters do not spray fuel ... it drools in and burns like a candle, basically. I'm still trying. Cheers and thanks for watching !

before you get all frustrated lol........ for your alternative fuels...... they tend to work better when you use them AFTER things are hot..... start on diesel or kero... get to temp... the switch via a valve? to the alt fuel tank. Shutting down after an say 20 min? on kero or diesel.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment. I have been testing with starting on diesel and have had some promising results. The testing continues !

Watching this again, I’m thinking that exhaust gas In basically unburned vapor and if you can use a turbo to redirect it back I go the burning chamber then it’ll be used up and sound like a jet plane taking off 😂 that’ll be awesome my dude!! 🎉🎉🎉

@loweredexpectations4927

7 ай бұрын

🤣 Haha... yeah, you're basically talking about building a jet turbine. That could work !

The chinese exhaust pipe is a very thin metal. Try to get in your prefered shop the ORIGINAL Eberspächer/Webasto exhaust pipe, which is MUCH heavier and secure. If you run the hearter in long term or permanent, SECURITY is first. Same count for the Muffler

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

Yes... After messing with some of my exhaust for about a year, it is starting to develop some cracks. I was not aware that the Eberspächer stuff was any different. Thanks.

Vevor 🤟

@loweredexpectations4927

5 ай бұрын

I missed this one ! Vevor !

You should defiantly watch more clips how other people do it. What I have learned is that you should mix the oil with diesel 1 to 3. Also you should do a heat up process with pure diesel until its hot, then introduce the mixed oil.

@ED209no

Жыл бұрын

Oh, and no wonder your muffler is red hot, because you had introduced forced draft through the burning chamber using your ventilation. It's supposed to blow fumes out, not being sucked through.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments and suggestions ! I have now watched lots of videos... I'm still not convinced either way. I have tried running mine at up to 50% diesel, and it still only lasted 2 days before needing to be cleaned. I haven't yet tried starting it on diesel. That might help, but generally my heater runs hot (206-212 C) I am still experimenting and hoping to find something that works trouble free.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

​@@ED209no I can't blame you for thinking that due to my setup... but I wasn't running the ventilation system. I only run it if it gets really smoky, I'm running an engine , welding or something like that. The exhaust exits the garage via convection current. I'm pretty sure what caused it to burn is that I had been running it at full heat, I noticed a temperature drop and turned the heater down, and then back up again to try to make it recover. This was enough for it to ignite the soot and garbage that had been building up outside of the chamber and in the exhaust. When I took it apart after this, the inside of the chamber was very dirty, but the outside was unusually clean as was the exhaust.

@dr_jaymz

Жыл бұрын

If anything that would make it leaner. The real issue is that you cannot atomize nor burn motor oil at room temperature, mixing with gasoline doesn't really help it will just burn the gasoline vapour leaving yhe heavy oil such is exactly what it does. It can be done by preheating the oil in a 6mm copper tube wound around the exhaust but its a faff and you'd need to switch to diesel before shutdown and to start otherwise you're going to have a bad day.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@dr_jaymz I'm guessing you're referring to pulling the exhaust through as making it run leaner ... absolutely, more air flow and the same fuel = more lean... but yeah, I'm not running the fan, and even if I was, there's not enough flow to change anything. Oil is indeed a problem to burn... it's intended not to burn and sometimes has additives to stop it form doing so... that makes it a better oil, haha. The hopes and dreams of this heater are that the chamber gets hot enough around the flame front, that the oil vaporizes on entry... They put a little thought into this, as the area that allows the air to flow in evenly protrudes into the flame front and the base of it is attached where the fuel comes in. It seems as tho it is designed to pull heat from the combustion and bring it back to the flame initiation point. I have found what you say about mixing gasoline to be true (so far) it flashes / burns off rapidly and the oil is left behind. I'm guessing that preheating the oil could work, the issue that I would have with that is that the temp of the exhaust changes drastically, and there is not much oil flow... I suspect that this would cause two issues. 1. oil cooking inside the preheating tube 2. As the oil heats up in the tube, and especially if it gasses, that would cause inconsistent feed into the burn chamber... the heat could act as a secondary pump.

See if you could exploit your super hot exhaust with an EGR cooler assembly as it could recover some heat into water. Also the higher temp should burn some stuff easier. Try DPF cleaner as this is soften the ash and gunk and lower its burning temperature.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Haha... yeah, there's lots of heat in the exhaust to be recovered... maybe if I can get this to work dependably, then I'll consider that. I will have to look into DPF cleaner. 👍

Just fitted one.. no problems.. I only use regular diesel...

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

If you stick to the diesel you probably won't have any issues 👍 I have tested mine on diesel as well. Runs great !

Mixing gas with diesel. Has your insurance company seen this video and cancelled you yet?🤣

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Haha... Gasoline isn't that dangerous.... More dangerous than diesel or oil, sure. You should see what happens when you pour gasoline into the inlet hole on the heater when its running 🤟

You could put a fan to blow on the exhaust and claim that as well!

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. That is a good idea ... a fan or a large heat sink.

Make sure you try to point the exhaust down then dog leg the exhaust and only put your bend at the end and make sure your air in is no where near the outlet it does help, paraffin or methanol mix runs well 15% mix works well 👍

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips ! Appreciated. I have looked into paraffin and it could be a cost effective additive... Have you tried this yourself ? Just wondering because I'd like to know if you're running factory pump and fan speed? ... and if so, do you know your pump hz and fan speed ? Sorry for all the questions, but people seem to have very mixed results, and I would like to be able to figure out why. I have tried methanol, for example, (not at that ratio) Mine waw oil, diesel and methanol. I'm actually planning on posting a video about it soon. The results of the test were not at all good, so I'm curious as to why. Sorry if there's any confusion. I replied to you at first while logged into my other account.

@alecjames1426

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 hi normally run my heater on heat setting 4 oil filtered out and minimum 15% paraffin if you can go in your settings make sure your fan does not go below 2500 rpm, I know what you mean seems like the world is jumping on the let’s make a video without any research I have one in my garage running oil and paraffin only issue I found was when the oil is well used and it’s viscosity is a bit thick it’s an issue but I just make the mix 20% paraffin then 👍the one in my landrover has run on home made bio fuel same as the truck itself for 4 years oh nearly forgot if you run it on low turn it up full blast for a good 10 mins helps with carbon 👍😕

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@alecjames1426 Thanks for the reply ! It looks like I may have to get a different controller, as mine does not have the functionality to even see fan speed, from what I can tell... likely because it's imported into Canada. I have tried to find the "secret menu" with no luck. Good stuff... I appreciate all the info !

Its called a Diesel heater for a reason

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment. Yes, unsurprisingly, they work wonderful on diesel.

here again... here is my PERFECT setup. unit identical to yours but not using the tank that's on it. two 10 liter external tanks using the small diameter hard nylon line to SIPHON from the top down. (zero side/bottom connections needed) mounted above the heater / pump ... connected to each other and then the heater through a manifold. one has 40% ultra filtered (!) waste or veggie oil, 60% low sulfur diesel/kerosene/heating oil (HO preferred, because sulfur IS a lubricant) and 10% petrol (ethanol free is preferred but not required if fresh - because old ethanol absorbed water from the air and water is corrosive in these units). start heater with pure stuff, switch to mixture 10 minutes in. stop after a full power burn for 10 minutes with the pure stuff. exhaust always runs straight down or dramatic downslope. muffler is a foot away from the unit. exhaust run is never more than 3 feet. exhaust sleeved with wrap where it passes through wall / floor. fan blows across exhaust closest to heater. everything except the end of the exhaust is INSIDE the shop. worked flawlessly for two years (6 months of winter) .. since unit is 100 bucks, swapped out just in case .. later teardown showed bare minimum carbon build up in main unit. now using it elsewhere with no changes. thanks for reading my novel.

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your detailed comment. Forgive me if I don't just buy into your perfect snake oil "perfect setup" This video is titled "Part 2" but there are over 30 videos after this one.... I shal continue reading and see what you have to say. 🤔 I'm unsure of you are claiming that your line routing or type of line has anything to do with how your heater works, or if this is just additional info. What is 40% ultra filtered waste or veggie oil ? Ultra filtered as in 5 micron, 1 micron ? Is ultra filtered a term that I'm not aware of of your name for it ? Is "waste or veggie" new or waste veggie oil, or another type of oil (engine oil) ? 1. Sulphur is never good in anything that is intended to burn as sulphur does not burn and causes deposits. This is less of an issue an a diesel or jet engine as much of the sulphur is forced out, while it will accumulate in these heaters. 2. There is no need for lubrication in these heaters. I think you made a mistake with your math. 40/60/10 is 110% Fair enough ... Easy mistake to make I have burnt pure methanol in these units for hours as well as bubbled water and methanol mix into my heater for about 30 hours with no signs of corrosion or oxidation at all. Later in my series I run a two tank setup with diesel to start and a second tank for mixes... this did make a difference in heater performance. I used thermo couples on my exchanger so I didn't have to guess when it was up to temp... That way waiting 10 mins wasn't necessary. I can see how veggie oils can be easier on these heaters. I have heard a few stories of success, similar to yours, and I am glad this worked for you. I have heard dozens more of people who have tried this exact same recipe and have had failure after failure with no more than a few weeks of good running. I have to wonder what the difference is between your setup and others. There are many videos documenting the failure of individuals trying to burn all sorts of veg oils, trans fluid, hydraulic fluid, engine oil. Detailed video series about the struggles with different mixes, and dozens of detailed comments from boiler techs, waste oil burner techs, chemists and a chemical engineer explaining the issues with burning heavy oils. In a year of searching KZread, I have yet to see a single convincing video of anyone successfully burning any type of waste oil in these heaters. I have seen a few channels that made spectacular claims and disappeared after 3 videos, or one video making clainis of burning any oil for 3 years, including atf with water in it... I'm not claiming that you haven't been successful. What I am saying is if you have in fact been successful, make a detailed video series, and you will get hundreds of thousands of views if not millions of views

Iterally every auto shop around town all use waste oil heaters for shop heat and all work flawlessly without ever having to clean them at all.. theyre oily black messes of death but they work without error.. unless they put anything besides oil in them.. like anything besides oil, tranny fluid, gear oil or diesel.. as soon as they put in brake fluid, antifreeze or god hope not gasoline the machine will let them know they messed up by blowing the combustion chamber apart.. i remember when a tech dumped in 10 gallons of gas when he had to replace a fuel tank and that shop no longer exists.. lol. It totally burned down the shop when it exploded and blew the shop bay doors off.. nobody was hurt besides the eardrums of the tech..

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment. I have heard from a whole bunch of oil burner techs... some for power plants and others who service garages / shops, and they all say that waste oil burners require a lot of maintenance and frequent cleaning. Sounds to me like you are talking about stories you heard about on the internet or from around the campfire, and not from experience. Brake fluid is used to thin diesel / keep it from gelling, in some parts of the world. I'm not sure that it is a good idea, but people do it. I have personally had a jerry can of gas catch on fire in my hands, at least 3 times, and if you don't panic, and put your hand over the opening... the flame goes out in a few seconds. It is scary, as the can expands and hisses. Not panicking has likely saved my life a few times. My father got 3rd degree burns on his face and much of his body from fumes inside of a jetski hull "exploding" and throwing gas on him... Not harmed at all by the "explosion, only the burns. Messing with gasoline can be dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as people think it is. It requires a fairly specific air fuel ratio to ignite and doesn't really explode... it expands rapidly. For the shop explosion that you are talking about, the air and fuel ratio would have had to be around 13:1 and distributed evenly. Not only that, but the explosion couldn't have been contained to the burn chamber, as that quantity of gas fumes would not be enough to blow doors off. The mixture would have had to have been distributed fairly evenly throughout a large portion of the shop air volume. If anyone was there they would have had to ignored this obvius smell of gas as the human nose can pick up gas at 1 part per million ... PS. They sell these haters specifically designed to run on diesel and gasoline.

Hi I notice your exhaust is on upside down, there is a little drain for any moisture to drain out & they are not sealed well it should be on the outside preferably on the end of exhaust or you will get carbon monoxide leakage.Totally agree with you should be run on diesel as there ment to, kirosene is ok now & then but its the diesel oil that lubricates the little pump. Like the video👌

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment ! I am aware of the hole in the muffler. Almost everything with a muffler has a muffler drain. 👍 I should have mentioned it in the video, as several people have mentioned it now, haha. So, the reason why I installed it the wrong way up, is because I was worried if it flooded with fuel, the fuel would come out the exhaust and drip onto my shelf... It turns out that the fuel will come out the intake. If you look at the opening clip where my muffler is glowing red, you can see that it was later installed the right way up. Thanks for your concern about the muffler and carbon monoxide. I'm not really worried about a little carbon monoxide leak as I won't be sleeping in the garage. I have a detector and if you are awake, symptoms of poisoning make it pretty clear that something is wrong long before it is harmful. I have since removed the muffler and am running the exhaust directly into the duct. Again, thanks for your comment, concern and advice !

you need to filter your used oil to 1micron to make it more usable and then add 10% clean diesel to make it burn more cleaner...

@loweredexpectations4927

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment ! This is part of a 30+ video series and I do address this later in the series.

The old style you can set parameters like fan speed and pump speed. Maybe those burn waste oil better.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

I have been told that they are better and I have ordered that style ecu and controller. Cheers.

Imagine if that exhaust hose could be used to heat the van with fins on it running thru the area needed to be heated then sent outside.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, for sure... I have heard of a few people doing this. I you want to or skip to part 20 something... I modify the burn chamber the the exhaust is a red flame throwing monster the whole time it's running, haha.

It is called a diesel heater for a reason. Mix diesel with kerosene is your best bet for cold weather. Common sense tells me it will not even work with new oil.

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment ! I have tested new oil and you are correct ... Much of my testing is driven by what people say will absolutely work. I'm a curious person and want to see what will happen, and I'd rather make a video about it than just say "that won't work because" or "i don't think that will work"

k it's overheating because the exhaust is right behind the inlet duct where the electronics are and the hot air is overheating the burner chamber to, relocation the exhaust away form the inlet duct will solve that problem. i fund that in German made heater manual. by the way if you mix old oil whith diesel 60/40 maximum and leave it in higher setting it will work.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

I can see why you would think that, especially if it says it in a manual, but I guarantee you it's not that. I won't try to explain in a comment, but I've done a lot of experiments and this is not my issue with overheating. I have tried up to 50/50 with no success. I did that for testing and because several people suggested, but at that mix ratio, it cost more to purchase diesel than it cost for natural gas. I'm trying to find a way and keep it cost effective. Cheers.

Have you looked into the 55 gallon steel drum fireplace Conversions? They will run on a gravity fed waste oil very reliably

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment ! I have seen those and think they are a great idea, but not for my limited space and in my neighbourhood. I actually had collected a bunch of stuff to build a waste oil burner, and then decided not to based on where I live... Cheers

You could also try and triple rap the exhaust in heat proof rapping . It helps the heat transfer..

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

That could help with not burning my property to the ground 🤟

@howardosborne8647

Жыл бұрын

The exhaust tube shouldn't be glowing red. Red exhaust is a sure sign that all the incandescent combustion isn't being completed inside the combuster tube and unburnt fuel is making it though to the exhaust which it never should do.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@howardosborne8647 Thanks for the comment. I do realize this and I'm working on solutions. Smoke and carbon coming out the exhaust are also clear signs that unburnt fuel is making through the exhaust. I'm hoping to get a controller / motherboard that will allow me to adjust the air fuel ratio and I have also been experimenting with different fuel mixes and ratios to try to sort this out.

Your glow plug only gets as hot as your battery can provide. I would put the battery on a charger. Watch how much better it lights when fed 14v.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. I have my battery hooked to a charger 24/7 charging at 6 amps. My voltage is always 12 or 13 when the glow plug is on and 13 or 14 when it turns off. I've never had issues with my plug not getting hot enough. It is only used for starting. My heater generally starts fine, to the point where the glow plug shuts off... and then it struggles. Cheers.

I'm a boat diesel mechanic also own 1988 Ford F-350 with a 7.3 l IDI diesel these engines will run on anything but you cannot really run a diesel engine on used motor oil you need what's called black diesel a mixture or used motor oil and gasoline straight motor oil with produce a lot of carbon equivalent to a engine with high oil consumption the baffle holds in the heat to keep the flame going diesel engine rely on high heat to stay running even with an active glow plug it can't maintain the heat without a baffle your flame is going in and out because of your fuel not being combustible enough

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. I'm not sure what baffle you are referring to ... I don't recall removing a baffle. These heaters burn diesel, but are more like a kerosene lantern than a diesel engine. The fuel dribbles in and is not injected under pressure... despite what a lot of people seem to think. I agree that diesel and oil requires lots of heat to keep it burning properly. I have done a lot of testing and modifications to try to achieve this in future videos.

Well, as a fellow Canadian. Me Ontario,if can figure this out oil mix. It would be great to use up some oil.

@loweredexpectations4927

5 ай бұрын

Indeed... this is why I have been struggling with so many tests. Failures often lead to you the solution. All of my testing has given me some fresh ideas.

You may need to run a 30 wast oil/40 diesel mixture

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

I have been considering jumping back into this and see what it would take. I have tried a few mix ratios and haven't found one that works yet.

Yeah they’re not made to burn waste oil and that means leaning it out too. Diesel and kerosene only. I’ve had one for over a year now and 0 problems.

@loweredexpectations4927

5 ай бұрын

Yeah... I have 4 of these heaters and the 3 I run on diesel have no issues, haha. This whole video series is to show the issues / challenges with burning waste oils, because there are a lot of people claiming that you can.

Re Exhaust first psrt of the video was upside down, later part was the right way up did you alter it?

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment. I had the muffler on upside down on purpose at first ... I was aware of the weep hole, figured oil may build in the exhaust and didn't want to make an oily mess. In later videos / tests, I deleted the muffler altogether.

A suggestion to increase burn temperatures and a cleaner burn more safely, would be to use a octane booster, 2-ehn which is what's added to bio diesel and the main additive in 'premium' diesel.. defo recommend 2-ehn to anyone and I won't run diesel without it

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

That's interesting... I wouldn't have thought that octane booster would have a difference on burn temperature... Octane booster / increasing octane basically makes a fuel less volatile... makes it harder to ignite. I also find it surprising that they would use this in diesel ... as diesel depends on low octane to initiate combustion, as it depends on the heat of compression and not a spark to ignite... I'm not saying this information is incorrect, but my mind is baffled... Adding octane to diesel in a diesel engine, if anything, should slightly retard the combustion process and make the engine run cooler... I'm trying to find logic in this, but my understanding of these things is fairly basic. I do know that in a gas engine, you need to increase octane to avoid detonation, so that the fuel ignites with the spark, and not just from the pressure / heat... This seems like the opposite of what I would want in my heater.

@Dave-bm1um

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 apologises it's cetane (cni number) that it increases, mixed with diesel it burns better and hotter reducing carbon build up.. in a diesel engine it makes a huge difference to the burn and massively reduces carbon, increases power/mpg etc.. would recommend a quick Google or ebay check for 2-EHN as its economical and might well help you with the issues you have.. waste oil is never going to burn as well as clean diesel, but I have recently got one of these heaters and I plan to start 5 mins on diesel then change to a 80% waste oil 20% diesel and experiment with the amount of 2-ehn 🤷‍♂️ once I have a infra red thermometer and some free time I'll have a play to see if 90/10 mix is possible without coking it up.. if I get on it soon enough I'll let you know how things go.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@Dave-bm1um OH !! That makes more sense ! Good luck and play safe, haha. I will see if I can find some of that stuff and give it a go. The oil I use is nasty !

Mix oil to kerosene should help. Wan't be perfect but might work 🙂

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment ! Others have suggested this as well. Maybe I will try.

When you started having major problems were you running it with diesel or your excess fuel/ oil? What is your opinion of it using only diesel?

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment. This thing is awesome when running on diesel... not sure if you have seen my newer videos, but yes... Great little heaters and zero issues when running on diesel.

lol....burning crap...might have to clean that chamber and other parts every 2 days! Kerosene with a wee bit of used oil may work for a month.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Haha... Yeah... I just released part ... 23 today (I think) , so I know all about burning crap and cleaning it out, haha. I have tried mixing with a few things, but not kerosene as the price of it here is insane... over twice the price of diesel. Apparently, in some places it's much less than even heating oil.

I used to burn waste oil in a normal boiler and to make it reliable it would start on normal fuel but the waste oil feed pipe was wound inside the flame to heat the waste oil before it entered the burn chamber. The fuel pipe needed to be replaced every Winter but other than that it worked well. Maybe something similar would work if you had two fuel pumps, one for waste oil and one for diesel. Start on diesel and once warm switch over the pumps to use the preheated waste oil. Just a though, maybe I will give it a go. :)

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

I will be starting on diesel in my next video (not todays but after that) Thanks for the tip !

@johndkn

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 Also, probably of interest. If you leave waste oil to stand the solids will settle. This takes about two years. At that point you are left with oil that is the same colour as it was when the oil was new and it burns much better. This can also be achieved with a centrifugal filter but running one of those will probably remove the cost advantage of using waste oil in the first place. Maybe you should try burning a gallon of new oil then dismantle to see how well it coped with it. At least then you would know that it is the contaminants that are causing the problem.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@johndkn Thanks for the comment. I have not found this to be the case with waste motor oil. Some of my oil has been sitting 3 years. Some of the water settles out, some solids settle out, but it always remains black. I suspect this is more true for vegetable oil, and perhaps somewhat with motor oil in a very warm climate or if the oil is kept heated. I haven't published the video yet, but I have tested burning new oil mixed with diesel and gasoline, to see if it was in fact the contamination that was causing issues, or if it was the oil. I am convinced that it is the flash point of oil that is the main issue and my testing is now focusing on trying to get the temperature of the burn chamber up, in the area where the oil comes in.

@svampebob007

10 ай бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 Yeah I would recommend starting off clean diesel/kerosine, then switch to a 50% or 30% mix, then again when you shut it down run it with clean fuel for 20-30 minutes, so that it can 1. get to temperature, 2. cool of cleanly and drain the loop with clean fuel. Also... letting the oil settle, we've had drums full of oil for 5 years, they still look black as the day that we got them, a centrifugal cleaner might work though.

@JoelArseneaultYouTube

10 ай бұрын

@@svampebob007 Thanks for the tips. I will likely be getting back into this project as the weather gets cooler... This is part two of, I believe, a 30 part series, so I have done a lot of testing an experimenting. I was actually recently sent a heater from VEVOR to install on a vehicle and test, so that should be fun. I will be using diesel only in it.

I just got mine Chinese diesel heater, using couple of days, and it works ok, but i am runing on diesel, and mine is not glowing 😅

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Keep running diesel and I assume you will be okay. I have run diesel in mine for approximately 168 hrs with zero issues, in fact, when I take it apart afterwards, it is actually cleaner than when I put it together. Diesel has a LOT less crap in it than other fuels and especially waste oil.

If someone sees it burning this hot and they keep running it looks like they are trying to collect a insurance check. They sell it as a diesel burner seem it's you that is trying to change what it really is

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

It may look like I'm careless, but much of that is for entertainment purposes. There are a LOT of people claiming that you can burn all sorts of stuff in these without any troubles, so this is a series of videos showing people my experience. Amazing little heaters for burning diesel !

Fuel line needs to be hard nylon you can get a kit, exhaust needs to go down hill all the way and fibreglass wrap it would be safer, exhaust should all be outside asap including muffler, if you are going to use old engine oil open up some old hard drives one use the strong magnets on a stainless steel filter or purchase some strong magnets 🧲 on the outside of the filter to remove some of the metal particles

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. I have heard the hard fuel line argument a few times and have also seen that David McLuckie debunked that idea with actual testing. The only good reason to have the exhaust go down is to have the condensate drain off, and as you can see, my exhaust is too hot for water to condense. I am aware that my exhaust system is dangerous, both for heat and for fumes... I may deal with it at some point. That's an interesting idea with the magnets... It will remove metals that are magnetic.... I have two really intense magnets (huge ones) I'm going to drop them into a bucket of oil and see what happens, haha... Will be cool, and will help some... but there is an issue... Most metals in engines are not magnetic. Aluminum, copper, brass etc... Still... it will remove the stuff that is magnetic. Cheers !

siegler oil stove with parasitic pump. and very small computer fan on bottom intake. you will have blue flame out of waste oil, then get stack controls for 6" stove pipe . wire the pump into it , now you have a way to burn waste oil safe and clean . clean stove every 3 to 4 days as it will get a little sludge build up. you don't have to filter the oil. only if it has chunks in it tubing pump can pump a lot of crap

@billvandorn5332

Жыл бұрын

I agree, sounds like the oils are inconsistent and thick preventing proper flow and incomplete burning. Wondering if the flue needs adjusting/auto adjust

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

If I lived in a different location I would just build a waste oil burner yes !! 🤟

Mine ran for 2 months every evening on a mixture of diesel , gasoline and filtered engine oil before I had to clean it. Had the same problem as you with oil dripping from intake hose. I found that Synthetic oil's don't combust properly and leave lots of tar and concrete type crap in the burn chamber, I will now run 40% used oil 50% diesel 10% gasoline. see how that goes. But will defiantly avoid synthetic type oils. I filter all the oil before mixing it. I also have 2 tanks and start it in diesel and shut it down burning diesel, But they are not as efficient as some say.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment ... This turned into a 30 part series and this is part two. I did end up trying lots and lots of different mods / mixes... Good luck with your heater.

@enigmaticloremaster1700

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 yeah I am still experimenting with it. I was even considering getting an ultra sonic cleaner for the cleaning of the burn chamber, not too sure how well it will work, like the hype about these heaters you never know what is real or not. But for me I don't mind cleaning it once every couple of months or so. It is still saving me money compared to electricity or gas. But I find it seems to run better if you run strait diesel through it on start up and 10 mins before shut down. Seems to burn some of the unburnt oil left in chamber.

@JoelArseneaultYouTube

Жыл бұрын

@@enigmaticloremaster1700 I don't think an ultrasonic cleaner is the ideal tool for cleaning these chambers out. I haven't tried it, but from what I have cleaned, I don't think it would work well. I believe either chipping away at it or sand blasting is the best option. I saved a lot of money this winter on heating, but I spent all of my time keeping the heater running, haha. Starting the heater and shutting it down on diesel is a great idea... I did get some positive results from this as well.

@enigmaticloremaster1700

Жыл бұрын

@@JoelArseneaultKZread Yes they are a bit of a labor but they are cheap to run. I recon they will gunk up no matter what fuel is used. But I did find out today when I dismantled it once again is that if you use pool acid- Hydrochloric acid used in salt water pools, it dissolves lots of the gunk quite quickly. And what ever is left after a few mins can be flushed out with water or chips out lots easier. It may have other effects over time but seems to work fine this first time around. I am also trying to put a bit of steel flyscreen mesh around the center burner thingy, it is a fiddle getting it in but don't know how this will affect the burn or the deposit build up. I imagine it will block up but will be easier to remove all the gunk as it will come out with the screen. See how it goes.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@enigmaticloremaster1700 ​ Hmmmm. Muriatic acid eh... pretty nasty stuff... I used to use it to strip aluminum off of cylinder walls and have played with ti fro removing rust and other things. I didn't experiment too much with any sort of mesh, but I have experimented with all sorts of other things. Good luck.

In the bottom of the burn chamber it looks like a washer but it's not it's a cap and under this cap you've got a wiremesh the diameter of the burn chamber this gets clogged up if you put a right angle pick under the cap you can slowly remove this cap pulling it from side to side you need to put penetrating oil into the burn chamber between that and the cap to try and break the carbon down it should slide outliving you access to the main coil of wiremesh

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment. I cut mine open and it looks like that washer thing is welded in... I tried quite aggressively to get it to move and it wouldn't budge. I'm currently running mine without any mesh for testing... May put something in there soon.

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@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Hey ! ... Thanks for letting me know ... sorry I missed your comment. I have been seeing them on my own videos oddly.

silencer is upside down. a little hole lt water out. u can tune these for differant fuels. fuel air mixture must be correct also takes 80watts on startup. i popped a few psu before working that out.

@KelkieFPV

Жыл бұрын

vortex in uk explains the fuel air settings

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment. I am aware of the hole. It is the same as on most gas engines, to allow moisture out. This is not a problem if your muffler spends most if its time over 100C, or even over 50. I put the hole at the bottom as I was fairly certain that it would leak oil and didn't want to make a mess. I later removed it altogether.

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

The controllers with green digits generally do not have an engineering menu that allows you to change mixture. Controllers with red digits indicate this feature.

Question for you? How much more cleaning can you reach with the baffle plate removed. I find that the fire chamber has to be as crusty free as possible, to burn longer with used oil. Finding a start from new install, it burned longer till the first cleaning. After a semi clean, carbon and crust, without a good chamber clean, it didn't take long to foul again. The exhaust getting red hot seemed to be a direct flow of gasses thru a carbon hole. Just my findings.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Hey. You are 100% spot on, and I will be releasing a video soon(ish) talking about this. I actually ended up cutting my burn chamber open to clean that area out... As long as it is clean, it starts flawlessly, doesn't make any funny noises and runs well. I'm now 11 videos deep into this testing and have found that the main issue I was having is keeping enough heat in the burn chamber while burning waste oil. I have installed a thermocouple onto the outside of the burn chamber, right where the oil goes in, and have been monitoring that temp and the results. Testing continues.

Please screw a couple of 2"x4"'s to the feet of your heater, so the exhaust is raised up clear of anything close. Interesting video. I think you might get better success with 10% oil/diesel, plus put a Y in the line so you can start & finish on pure diesel.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Yes, extra clearance would be safer... I have an aluminum plate and have since taken the heater out of the case and am running it on it's side. I have been testing on a mix of diesel and waste oil... I'm going to be posting some new videos about that soon, hopefully. Cheers !

@englishrupe01

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 I look forward to your diesel/oil reviews. On it's side?.....make sure you still keep the glow plug at the top. Hopefully you have. Thanks.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@englishrupe01 👍Yes, I have the hole at the top.

@englishrupe01

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 Great job.

I think to use them halfway reliably on waste oil. You would have to prefilter all the used oil with a fine filter and let water settle out. I built my own to heat 2400 square foot of space. But my combustion chamber was easy to remove and clean. I do have two of these in my 3 car garage to keep it workable in winter. I don't even try to run waste oil in my Chinese heaters. Just off-road diesel.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

I would love to be in a shop / neighbourhood where I could build a waste oil heater and get away with it... I don't have the space, I want to be as inconspicuous as possible and I just can't justify it. I do think you are correct... Filtration is a HUGE part of making this work, as waste oil is bound to have all sorts of contaminants.

@howardosborne8647

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 Many years ago we built one from an old stainless steel recepticle about the same size as a 50 gallon drum. The design was very similar to a commercial waste oil heater made by a company called 'Kroll'. The waste oil was simply filtered through a fine mesh sieve and any water separated out. A 10 gallon tank with a very simple electric driven gear pump fed oil into the burner pan where the combustion process was force fed air via a snail type fan. The outside of the stainless drum could easily attain glowing red temperatures.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@howardosborne8647 Thanks for the comment ! I have seen videos of all sorts of different waste oil furnaces. I have been considering building one for years, and at one point started collecting materials, and oil, but decided not to build one at my current location. There are a lot of interesting designs / ideas out there.

do you have a inline filter?,i noticed in your previouse video you filtered your oil hwo fine it the filter as the 0.5/1 micron aqurium filters seem to be the best for filtering old oil.fuel wise id try 3 to 1 or 50/50 just to see which runs best or start and finish a burn using just diesel

@JoelArseneaultYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. I also have an inline filter, yes. I need to get a better / fine filter... I've been trying to find some that fit over a 5 gallon bucket, but the finest I can find is 75 micron. Currently on my second day of testing a 3 to 1 mix with a few tweaks to the heater as well. I have gotten the advice to start and stop on diesel, the thing is that I start it and don't shut it off until it dies... The weather isn't too nasty here now (-7C) but it has been -30 for a few weeks, and at that temp, the heater needs to run 24/7 to keep the garage at 10 to 13C .... I have done some testing to see how much diesel cleans out the heater, and I suspect that if you ran the heater for 3-4 hrs and shut it down on diesel for an hour or so, it could actually keep it clean... The issue I have is even if I run mine for hours, it has so much crud that the diesel wouldn't clean it all out in an hour or two. I think I need better filtration and a way to control fan speed independently of the pump speed.

@robertedwards87

Жыл бұрын

@@JoelArseneaultKZread you can get 0.5/1 micron filters from amazon but they tend to have a big opening

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@robertedwards87 I'll have a look... If you're in the US...FYI... Amazon Canada doesn't have nearly as much stuff, haha.

@robertedwards87

Жыл бұрын

@@loweredexpectations4927 im in the uk but usa has a lot more than the uk amazon

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@robertedwards87 Yeah.... I always see people say they got stuff on Amazon, I look here in Canada and NOTHING, haha. Cheers !!

Have you ever thought about the air intake? to get fresh air into the engine. a normal diesel car also needs that. but in your case I see that the exhaust runs under the air intake. miss an idea to change that

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

Later on in this video series I did do some porting to free up flow.... as far as the air not being fresh. The exhaust pipe carries the fumes away from the inlet. The air is a little warm, perhaps, but that is sort of the nature of the beast. It would be interesting to feed nitrous oxide or oxygen into it ... and see what happens ... until it melts, haha.

Add 10 to 20 % paraffin may help, wash the fuel water and gelatine etc first to draw out impurities. Good luck🙂

@loweredexpectations4927

9 ай бұрын

I have tried washing the oil with gelatine, but it doesn't seem to work well with petroleum oil... The videos where I have seen this be successful were all vegetable oil. Paraffin may work, but it is very expensive where I live. About $48 a gallon.

50/50 fouled mine up bad. I did a video last week on it with same end results. Cleaned tried 10% used motor oil and it caused hard starts again. New engine oil seem to work better at 10% vs used

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. It seems as tho people have varying results. There are many different factors that come into play such as heater set up, oil quality and altitude. I have done a whole bunch of testing now. I'm going to try working with some additives, but I believe the most likely solution is going to be paying with air fuel ratios. I have ordered another controller and hopefully I can crank the fan speed up to max and then tune the mixture with the fuel pump. Even at 50% diesel I had issues and testing was only because it was recommended. It would not be an economical solution when compared to the price of natural gas.

Just use diesel for which it was designed for using

@loweredexpectations4927

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely ! I 100% agree... I wish people would stop being dishonest and making claims about burning waste oils. I have 3 other heaters that work awesome... on diesel.

Also your silencer ( which is not really required) should be mounted outside and you also have it upside down! the vent should be at the bottom.

@marilynreno7510

Жыл бұрын

lmao

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

SO many people have said this now, haha. I'm aware of the condensate hole, I was aware of it at the time and thought oil night drip out so I mounted it upside down ... there's no condensate when your pipe is 200C . I think part 2 might be the only video in the series that doesn't show the muffler glowing red at the intro of the video... anyway, if you see that you can see it's on the right way after I realized oil comes out the inlet when it floods and not the exhaust. I took the muffler off after it melted all the internals.

Moral of the story. It's a desiel heater. Use deisel. Period.

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Where's your sense of adventure ?! Pineapple on pizza ? Peanut butter on a hamburger ? Jam and cheese on a cracker ? The box of crackers clearly has cheese only but I'm a rebel. 🤟

I'm interested in the composition of the solids remaining after combustion using waste oil, obviously from your work/shop and is it mostly carbon or could it possibly be metallic in composition, which is causing your problems. I'm presuming your oil has, in some part, come from engines which have suffered catastrophic internal damage and I'm wondering just how much powdered metallic "fines" are contained in your waste oil and is your filtration system (diaper/cloth?) really up to catching these. I'd save some of the solids you've removed from the unit and get them analyzed for metal content. An easy way is call around to some of the bigger scrap metal yards and see if they have an XRF gun (most of them do) and if they would mind shooting your solids sample to check for any metals present. The gun will tell what metals are present and the percentage of each of the metals in the sample. Another way of detecting metal in organics would be to send a sample of your waste oil to one of those automotive engine oil analyzer companies. If you find a significant presence of metal in your sample, it's time to figure out a good filtration system to get rid of the metals before burning the oil in your heater.

@trikator

Жыл бұрын

If that is the problem he could put a very strong magnet into his tank to get metal particles out

@wallacegrommet9343

Жыл бұрын

Typical elements in oil are zinc, phosphorus, calcium, boron, sulfur compounds These are added by the oil manufacturers to provide wear protection, improve heat stability, and suspend contaminants.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

I would love to have the deposits analized... I'm not so sure that it would be interesting tho. I have got it to run better a few times and the deposits were more like off white ash. The oil is mostly form air cooled lawnmower engines. General service oil, not catastrophic failures. I can't imagine having it analyzed would be cheap.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Most engine metals are not magnetic. Aluminum, brass, copper etc. I did do this test and found there to be some ferrous materials in my oil, but that's not the main cause of the issue. Cheers.

gas equals boom

@loweredexpectations4927

3 ай бұрын

Gas is more prone to boom than diesel, but it requires a fairly specific set of conditions, before it goes boom. It's not nearly as dangerous as you may think.

everyones a learner sometimes, they dont catch fire thats a load of crap, you can throw a lighted ciggarette into a vat of road diesel and it will simply go out. diesel must be atomised and or compressed to ignite it. dont run it at low settings all the time run it at ful, chat 5 mins before shutting it down and always start it up at max temperature before turning it down low and it should keep the burn chamber clean. The glow plug breather hole may be clogged up pull the glow plug out and there is a metal screen beneath it , clean the screen with a blowtorch and clean out the breather hole beside the screen on the side of the glow plug hole and you should be good to go. no need to remove the baffle just heat the inside of the chamber with a blow torch it will disintegrate the carbon so you can tap it out. I noticed that your exhaust silencer is upside down, there is a breathe hole in the bottom of it that lets condensation out of the exhaust system or it can build up with water in the silencer making combustion difficult, ideally the muffler needs to be outside as Carbon monoxide can escape from this breathe hole, I hope your running a Carbon monoxide alarm near the heater. with two layers of exhaust bandage I can hold onto the exhaust with my hands. a red hot silencer like that suggests it is overfuling have you been into the extra settings menu and changed the fuel air settings ? you should be able to touch the muffler with your hands in normal running. they really dont get that hot. the code for the type of controller you have is 6006 to get into the special settings menu on a 2kw heater and on the 5kw heater it is 1688. you probably need to adjust the air flow to add more air to the mix. look up the settings for the blue controller on youtube it may help. cooking oil needs 50% gas or petrol mixed with it to run it. my 75 amp car battery last 3 days on my 2kw heater and it is running at least 10 hours a day, I have the same lcd screen as you do.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for the detailed comment. I think maybe you misunderstand... The units don't catch fire... the internals of the exhaust catch fire and glow red... I have thrown a match into a container of diesel and watched it go out . I run mine full bore 24/7 and don't' shut it down at all, it runs for 2 -4 days max and builds up so much carbon it shuts off... In fact I have to go clean it now after doing another experiment. I am aware of the glow plug and the hole, mesh and have cleaned it several times. Map gas might get hot enough but I have not been able to get mine hot enough with a propane torch to clean it out well. At one point my muffler was upside down as I was afraid that oil might come out and drip on my shelf. I now know that it will come out the inlet first so I flipped the muffler, you can see that when it's glowing red, haha. I have actually removed the muffler now. The exhaust caught on fire because of fueling issues, yes...There are at least two different blue controllers that look like mine. I have tried getting into the extra settings, and even tried some of the more straightforward menus, and mine is not the same. I have purchased a new controller so that I can hopefully adjust my air fuel ratio to something that makes more sense I have a carbon monoxide detector in my garage, thanks for the concern. I have been testing all sorts of different fuel mixes and can't seem to find a magic mix. Cheers !

I had mine up and running in about an hour from box opening. I use diesel fuel from the filling station. The unit works every time, performs well and I see no carbon accumulation. The manual on the manufacturers web site said nothing about putting used oil in as fuel and common sense would tell me that's a bad idea anyways.

@ricksmall9781

Жыл бұрын

i bet you are a blast at parties

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Yes, these things are wonderful as diesel heaters ! I'm glad you are having luck with yours... Mine also runs well on diesel, but that is not what I bought it for. I bought mine because people said that they would work great on waste oil ... I have waste oil... so I thought I'd give it a try. Hopefully these videos show people that if you burn the wrong fuel in these they will be problematic and maybe even dangerous. Cheers.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

@@ricksmall9781 LOL... play nice.

Chinese diesel heaters are not made to burn other fuels. The ones who does get problems also the ones who do some modifications. . The same problem. I have a chinese diesel heater in my vessel and use only red diesel . already 3 years . 3 strong winters and not any problem. From 15 oktober till 15 may each year continue used.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

This is very true... They work very well on diesel. I have used mine on diesel for many hours with no problems, but oil always causes a problem. I have 28 more videos of testing, haha.

Your muffler is supposed to be outside with the drain hole on the muffler facing down.

@loweredexpectations4927

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Yes, I know about the weep hole. Due to my experimental usage, I was worried that I would get a lot of "flooding" and didn't want oil dripping onto my shelf. It should be outside. The manufacturer makes this clear in their instructions. I also generally try to make it clear in my videos that people should not do things as I do. The heater was installed how and where it was to make experimenting with it / working on it easier. I will be releasing a fairly in depth video tomorrow about carbon monoxide, formaldehyde and volatile organic compounds in the exhaust on these heaters. I ran my heater, venting the exhaust indoors for 2 hours with a few meters checking the air quality. I also ran my truck in there for comparison.

Where to start .. first off try moving heater down to the ground level or a foot or two above ground , hot air rises. Second the air intake pipe needs to be out side so you are drawing cold air into the combustion chamber, having air intake inside curates negative back pressure, this is more then likely causing the over heat problem. You can run waste oil at 50/50 mix up to 70/30 mix with diesel. Don’t use petrol , your lucky you haven’t burnt down your garage or blown yourself up.

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment... I somehow missed several apparently. Many have pointed out that my heater is high. You are right, but this is not a concern to me. It is out of the way and the heat can be aimed down and dispersed. The air inlet temp is not a big deal on a diesel heater. Cold air is only better because it contains more oxygen, so unless it is starving for oxygen, this will not help anything. Cold air also cools the chamber to some extent, so if it is not necessary, then it is less efficient. Back pressure will only occur if air can't get into my garage. While I'd love to think that I built my garage so well that air can't get in... that's not correct. You say I'm lucky that I haven't blown myself up, but I say it's calculated skill... Haha. Cheers.

Chinese diesel heaters run OK on diesel, probably on kerosene but NOT on petrol or lube oil. Anyone with success uses diesel with maybe a little (10% ?) used lube oil and perhaps up to 5% of petrol/gasoline to reduce the viscosity. At this point it's dubious whether there is a financial saving, especially if you need frequent services and service parts.

@loweredexpectations4927

Жыл бұрын

Yeah... I'm hoping that my videos show that any fuel other than diesel might give you troubles.

Very entertaining video. Have you thought of processing the waste oil in to biodiesel, not just physically filtering it? With biodiesel it would be clearer and less viscous, oil. Biodiesel can then be mixed with paraffin, home heating oil or normal / red diesel for a cleaner burn. Converting waste oil to biodiesel only takes 24 hours and should result in you only needing to clean the burner on a 6 to 12 monthly basis. So you’d still burn most of the old oil with less cleaning cycles.

@howardosborne8647

Жыл бұрын

Bio Diesel is converted from waste vegetable based oil not waste mineral oil. The purpose of the conversion treatment with veggy oil is to remove the glycerol and soapy fats thus leaving a much lower viscosity product that qualifies as Bio Diesel. This 'titration' conversion process is not necessary with mineral oils as all they require is filtration and thinning to adjust the viscosity index.

@degu44

Жыл бұрын

@@howardosborne8647 Thank you, of course you are correct.

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Sorry I missed your comment. Not sure how that happened. I see Howard has responded to your comment in an informative way 👍. I actually tried, for giggles, using the method of gelatin in oil ... This doesn't work in motor oil and just made a mess, haha. It was worth a try tho.

@loweredexpectations4927

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for responding to this comment. I somehow totally missed it.