As an FYI - The Omega drivers for the ATI graphics on this machine offer quite a performance boost compared to stock ATI drivers. They also include a graphics overclocking tool which, I've bumped the clock speeds all the way from like 140 to 180 without any stability issues - after that the CPU becomes the bottleneck.

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up! Will try these out!!

Hey James - I just want to thank you for this video, I've got a t5710 ready for setting up this weekend, looking forward to getting some DOS gaming on the go. :)

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear! Glad you enjoyed the video - all the best with your t5710! I was playing Screamer and Doom yesterday - great times 😎

@rc55uk

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie It's all going good, got Windows 98SE running on an SD card. The OPL emulation is a bit off but sampled music plays back great - it's silent and very low power consumption as well. I'll have to crack out Screamer again with it's identical high speed crash animation, you know the one! ;)

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

@@rc55uk Same crash every time 😂

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

@@rc55uk PS I bought a cheap PCI adapter, right now I’m using a ESS Solo 1 sound card + X2GS daughterboard for great MIDI. As a cheaper option, you can also use a Serial cable and raspberry pi :-) More details here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hayBzKashJzYddI.html

@brandgan2620

2 жыл бұрын

Is this the best option if im looking to do some retro gaming of PC games from early and late 90s getting older now and wanting to play certain games from when I was a kid. For example redneck rampage, Santa's gone postal, mad robots 3000, original road rash. Also would be cool to hook up to my flat screen if possible. Any info is appreciated

I am surprised you didn't found any drawbacks, like the FM being software emulation, requiring a huge TSR, sounding... bad, there are many incompatible games, etc.

really nice

@jamesfmackenzie

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

This T5710 is a really great starting machine for Retro. Its the PC i got to see how much i'd like the retro PC hobby before going all out and building my dream PC. I do install a newer DirectX on mine mostly because i just have it laying around and never had issues with it but also because i want good support for Xbox 360 controllers. My driverpack that you showcase in the video has a Xbox 360 controller driver included in the USB installer so with a new enough DirectX it should be plug and play. I also have newer versions of some of the drivers available including my own chipset driver mod that allows the newer chipset driver to work on this T5710 as well as an automatic installer for the soundblaster in DOS. I can mail these to you if you are interested.

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

I’d be very interested in this - thanks!

@keithbeesting

Жыл бұрын

Nice can these newer versions of the drivers be downloaded from anywhere?

That's cool. I haven't quite gone that retro yet. I'm still working on a Dell Wyse R90lw gaming machine with windows XP. Probably the oldest games I've put on there are Motoracer 1 and Wing commander 3. I have spare thin clients, but the ones I have are probably a good 8 years newer than that HP. I suspect if I want to do a Win 98 machine I'd need some older hardware in order to be able to set it up properly with all drivers.

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck! Yes, it's difficult to install/use Windows 98 on machines from the SATA and PCI Express era - the driver support is not good. Also it will only use 1 core from multicore CPUs

Just bought mine for only 16€ on Ebay. Thanks for this suggestion!

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

Great news! Enjoy!

@cheeriosaregood920

2 жыл бұрын

I have only found a single one and it was for $120 I hope I see a cheap one soon

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheeriosaregood920 Good luck with the search!

Great budget option all in one i put together a a pentium 4 based machine for my 98 gaming pc in an old ibm thinkcenter desktop case original motherbord had loads of failed caps my attempt to replace them never worked so i bough a never used asrock board an nvidia 4200 ti and creative soundblaster card ,your thin client makes a great option all in one solution .

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

I still want to build a "full" desktop - but that will have to wait until after I move out of a small apartment ;-)

That OPL sounds rough af.

Nice, cool portal retro device essentially, though up to a point. Would be interesting to see how it performs with 5th and 6th generation console emulators.

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

Potentially something like Bleem or Connectix Virtual Game Station might work reasonably well for PlayStation emulation. But the aim here is native DOS and Windows gaming - there are better options if you want to emulation. Hope this helps!

I had (still do) the 7500m (64MBs) GPU on my laptop I bought back in 2002. Great card for the time, but it quickly became obsolete in about 3-4 years. In early 2004 there were already games which either wouldn't run or run very poorly on it. I imagine the 7000m was worse. Of course I am talking about new Windows XP games and not 98 or DOS. The music in Duke Nukem 3D didn't sound right to me. Thanks for the video.

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this definitely won’t cope with more challenging XP games - but for the Win98 games I am targeting here it’s fine. I currently have Voodoo II being shipped, going to try that in here too! Back in the old days my upgrade path was: 1. PowerVR (Apocalypse 3Dx) 2. Voodoo II 3. Voodoo II SLI 4. GeForce 256 5. Radeon 9700 Pro 6. Radeon X800 XT Great times :-)

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

PS on Duke 3D - yeah the Ad-lib emulation isn’t perfect, but it’s pretty good for chipset audio IMHO. I actually have an ESS Solo-1 sound card, will do a comparison

@Trusteft

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie In the 90s up to 2002 (from 94 at least) it felt like I was updating my PC every 3.5 seconds, so I don't remember most of the hardware. But I do remember the awe I got with the Voodoo 2 12MB and few years later with the GeForce 256 DDR. I could be wrong, but I think it came with a free copy of special version of Unreal, among others. Man that game was cool!

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrusteftUnreal is still awesome today! In fact it's the main reason I got Voodoo II ;-)

Wish I could find one of these

@jamesfmackenzie

7 ай бұрын

They used to be so common, but they’re getting rare now :-( However! There is one on eBay today! www.ebay.com/itm/295735098087

Hey James. On your website and this video you mentioned that PS2 splitters work to plug in a keyboard and mouse to the combo PS2 port. Have you actually attempted this yourself with the monoprice splitter you linked? If so did you setup the bios option for the port as keyboard or mouse? The only reason I ask is because my PS2 splitter (not a monoprice splitter) doesn't work in dos or windows (or to f10 to get into the bios menu actually) I'm running a 800mhz t5710 with firmware 1.08a. Just trying to figure out if buying the monoprice splitter is worth the time and effort.

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

Hello! Yes I use the Monoprice splitter. I just published a quick blog post to show how. Hope you find this useful! www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2021/11/13/using-monoprice-ps2-splitter-with-hp-compaq-t5710-review/

@HalfSpec

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie Wow! Thank you so much for the comprehensive blog post. I'll definitely be ordering the monoprice adapter to try.

@Grizzly_Adam

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie So the mouse definitely works in DOS? I am using another thin client right now that won't use the mouse for some reason. It detects it and loads the driver, but I cannot move the cursor.

It's got all the features of a late 90s PC, without the bloat. Only lacks expansion space for a graphics card, but still runs with a Voodoo 2! Can't be bad...

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

I’m super impressed with it - a great purchase 😎 Right now I’m looking for a super fast PCI graphics card to try out. I heard there were some GeForce variants. Any suggestions?

@TechRyze

2 жыл бұрын

James Mackenzie I believe the highest spec PCI GPU is something like a Radeon 4000 series or something ridiculous. I think I’m incorrect with the specific series, but if I find it, I’ll post here. Someone had posted it on the Eurogamer forums several years ago, but that’s all gone now.

@TechRyze

2 жыл бұрын

James Mackenzie … just googled, and they apparently still make PCI GPUs, but the issue will be when driver support for the old OSs cut off for Win98 & WinXP. All of these appear to have PCI versions ***as long as the article I read, wasn't mistaking PCI-E for PCI***, but I doubt any have old OS driver support: PCI Slot Graphics Cards Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT PNY NVIDIA GeForce GT 710 ASUS TUF Gaming RX 5700XT Sapphire Radeon RX 580 MSI Gaming GeForce GT 710 ZOTAC GeForce GT 710 TBH, these all look too new to be standard PCI, so be sure to do some research.

@TechRyze

2 жыл бұрын

I would have to investigate, but see if the ZOTAC GeForce GT 430 has drivers for XP, if not ‘98SE

@TechRyze

2 жыл бұрын

James Mackenzie Definitely have to look back at the early 2000s GPU hierarchy for DOS/98SE support, I’d expect.

You may have covered this - I need to rewatch the whole thing, but how is joystick support in DOS games on this system? I still have a few Gameport Joysticks that I don’t expect I’ll be able to use on this, but can USB sticks/pads be made to work both in Win98SE and DOS? I don’t think I’ve ever tried that natively. Otherwise is it possible to add a gameport for old sticks, I wonder?

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

In Win98, you can connect a USB gamepad. For DOS unfortunately you’ll need a game port - which means adding a sound card. Hope this helps!

@TechRyze

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie Cheers. I do wonder if the Gameport can be added to anything else, such as a parallel or a serial port adaptor (doubt it). Otherwise, I wonder if it's possible to add any kind of riser board to the PCI slot, allowing both a Voodoo 2 and a Soundblaster to be plugged in? I expect that bandwidth on the slot / bus would quickly become an issue. I'd not studied the old PCI slot very much in the 90s, as it largely just worked when you slotted things in and installed drivers. Also, AGP was along, seemingly in no time at all for faster cards.

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

@@TechRyze Although are a few serial port gamepads/joysticks, they only work with specific DOS games. You can learn a bit more here: www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=57627 I’m currently doing some technical reading on if a 2x PCI will work in this machine. Will let you know!

Hi. Can this computer cover the period of from around 1990 to 2000 released games? I've heard that some older games can run too fast on faster processors, so can it be slowed down?

@jamesfmackenzie

Жыл бұрын

It should be a good fit for that era :-)

Can the network be used in real DOS?

It's cool for nostalgia. A Raspberry Pi 4 2GB board is $35 though.

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, this is purely for nostalgia factor. Had great fun playing Doom, Command and Conquer etc on this little machine! It won’t compete with the Pi for price+performance

@Ne3s23p2

6 ай бұрын

But the Pi is a naked prototyping board appealing to tinkerers, with connectors and pin headers on multiple edges, while a thin client is a fully finished product with a well designed fanless case, and could have paid support when it was in production.

@balk0vic

25 күн бұрын

@@Ne3s23p2 Actually, raspberry pi is a full computer, suitable for dos gaming.

I really wanna get one of these but how does a more fiddly game like MechWarrior 3 run? My dream would be to have an easy way to play this classic game and any other method I’ve tried has had issues.

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

I’ll give it a try!

@OtioseFanatic

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie thanks, please let me know!

Where do you get all the drivers and software you loaded?

@jamesfmackenzie

3 жыл бұрын

I'm preparing a blog post, but in the meantime you can find the drivers here: mega.nz/file/LgYDhKDA#7upam9AIguSzKWAvV_ENg7_SnWvWNCpYYwAnF94eUpU Good luck!

@jameslangridge8849

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie you did a blog post afaik, but it didn't link the drivers iirc unless i missed a post? thanks.

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameslangridge8849 You can find the drivers linked from this blog post: www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2021/07/11/install-windows-98-from-usb-stick-flash-drive-with-easy2boot-hp-compaq-t5710/ I'm considering a "Files" section for the blog with all these various files in one place. Enjoy! 🙂

hi. quick question. do the drivers in the video work on windows ME?

@jamesfmackenzie

7 ай бұрын

They *should* do, but I haven’t tested myself. Good luck! :-)

@fusion5262

7 ай бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie thx for info!

@fusion5262

4 ай бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie hi, another question, do these drivers work on windows 95 or Nt 4.0? and where did you find the drivers shown in the vid and do they work on other hp thin clients? thanks in advance!

@jamesfmackenzie

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@fusion5262 Potentially they work on all versions of Win9x, it’s worth a try. For NT 4.0 they most likely don’t work. The drivers are available on the Vogons forum - there is a long discussion thread on the T5710 there 😎 Here is the link: www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=72173

@fusion5262

4 ай бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie thx for the info!

Hello, Thank you so much for the video, very helpful. I managed to install windows 98 SE and all the components but when I load the VIAFMTSR driver it says, “codec not ready yet”. Very odd, I check the IRQ to see if there were any collisions but there aren’t any. The VIASBCFG works, at least In Raptor call of the shadows game the sound effects come out. Disabled all the ports in the bios, used different values in the blaster variable and still nothing. The only difference is the fact that I am using usb mouse and keyboard, I don’t have a Y adapter yet. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind message Leonel and glad you found the video useful 😎 What thin client are you using? My first suggestion is to disable serial, parallel and the network interface. If that doesn’t work, you can try disabling USB - but I understand you need it for your USB mouse and keyboard right now The official support thread has some useful troubleshooting comments: www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=73270

These clients are on Ebay for 16 bucks. How on earth?

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

A great deal 🙂

@mrblonde609

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie I wanted to buy one, but decided to go for a full tower with monitor, keyboard and mouse for 60 bucks instead. Has a floppy and cd/dvd drive, so a bargain and Windows 98 SE and some games are preinstalled. These clients with preinstalled Win98 go for around 50 bucks. So i saved a decent amoint since i don't have to buy all the other stuff. :)

@jamesfmackenzie

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrblonde609that's an amazing deal! What spec did you get?

@mrblonde609

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfmackenzie Hey. 750 mhz AMD Athlon CPU, 512 MB RAM, GeForce FX5200, DVD Drive, Floppy Drive, 40GB Hard Drive and 6 USB slots. So a good deal over all. Better than my PC back in the day. ^^ And the best thing? The dude also drove to me at home and gave me the PC in person, since he lived in the region. Sweeeeetest deal in a long time.