you are the prophet , you hit the spot right in the middle, cheers , all the best

finally,,, someone is talking about the issues,,, what to do for non latency midi instrument samples? How does Mac Silicon differ in it's integrated system? is info allocated differently . So many "pros" use Macs.

Thank you for that information sir enjoy your day

Thanks for this video

Dom Sigalas (a Cubase ambassador) did a very good video comparing 12th Gen to an AMD workstation system and he was very happy and impressed with the latter. As you said, experiences can be hard to let go of I suppose.

@dronbana

3 ай бұрын

I wonder how i missed that video. Thank you.

Ciao sn- tech. Bel video. E sono d' accordo con te. Mi potresti consigliare una configurazione completa e silenziosa partendo dal processore 12400? Ti ringrazio

I'm running since few months an i9 13th on Asus MB with Cubase 11, works just fine. Just when using Spectralayers on more than 15min of audio, it might have some sort of issues on file-size. Note that on Win10 I did not select high-performance computing yet but balanced, not sure if this relates to the core-issues you mentioned. My reasoning is that yes i9 13th is a hell lot of money, but in the end human time is more expensive than that, so all time savings are very valuable. I wasn't aware of what you are poiniing out, so thanks. I'm cirious if Cubase would also plan using GPU or why they should or should not to, perhaps a nice video topic for you.

@dsgwyw

9 ай бұрын

What cooling solution are you using with i9 ? Is it silent enough for music production? I am currently thinking to buy a pc but can't decide between which Intel processor to go for as i7 and i9 13 gen both will require water cooling and that seems to be noisy.

@RapInstrumentalBeats365

9 ай бұрын

@@dsgwyw My i9 pc is extremely silent using a fairly normal Arctic cooler (think it's i35 but not sure, my case is closed now and built in a rack), but the key noise improvement was the PSU using a version from BeQuite (Dark Power Pro 650). Keep in mind that the CPU fan is only noisy when rendering/exporting master audio, which you only do 1-2min at the very end of the production. While the PSU is on all the time so that has to be really low noise. Furthermore I have extra low noise case fans (but cheap ones, not even the Noctua), but tied those not to 12V but to the lower voltage. i9 13th has bad ratings for high power consumption but what everybody is overlooking is that you only have high consumption 1-2min at final rendering, bbut it's the fastest one out there. If you want to save money buy the 12th gen. If you want to save time buy the fastest one i9 13th. I also have a graphic card 3060 (3 coolers) inside, you really almost don't hear the pc in my studio, but like I said the PSU was the main trick, along with low voltage on the case fans.

i get a lot of pops and clicks on my pc. might upgrade soon. prob get i71300k with a asus proart motherboard

In taskmanager under details set infinity of the daw to uneven cores(0,1,3,etc), it will now only use the non ht-cores.

In Cubase 13 you can now select cpu optimization as an option for hybrid cpus. Though I probably still won't upgrade my 8core/8thread i7 9700 for a while.

Does anyone know if Presonus Studio One 5 or 6 is having this issue with Ryzen cpus?

F Got an i7 12700F just last year. Now I know where all those pops and drop outs were coming from.

@saricubra2867

2 ай бұрын

It doesn't happen for me. I have the K version, the clocks are perfectly stable and high. I always avoid the non-K chips.

is this problem inherent to Cubase or Nuendo(or whatever that is) or is this a Universal audio DAW phenomena? Are 'other' DAWs experiencing this problem? I have been using an old Dell for 7 years and it records well enough but the midi latency sucks. Is a Mac integrated system going to be any better for midi latency?

@wolfgangdevries127

9 ай бұрын

Bitwig and Reaper use way less RAM afaik.

@mark-ze4en

9 ай бұрын

@@wolfgangdevries127 Yes, I currently use REAPER but my question /concern was is ; does the intel CPU (hybrid or not) inherently introduce added latency into the processing event as opposed to other CPU's .ie AMD , Mac silicon.

I would agree with you totally - I am OK with AMD and chose an AMD 5950x which has 16 full blown cores. Old architecture now but arguably the best. Also to support what you say - even Apple M series default for Logic if p-cores only! - they are aware of the problem and it is impossible to guess the correct core 100%. The e-cores wont be a problem all of the time but there is an occasional risk an e-core will overload so you may get a weird dropout. Next time you hit play the OS will probably "learn" and the problem will mysteriously vanish!

A KC3000 NVMe and a DDR5 compatible motherboard with faster ram. Maybe It will help with data transfer

Just got 7950x with 128gb ram and 4tb nvme. I’ll let y’all know If it sucks. Great vid btw, appreciate anyone who takes the time to cover this stuff!

@alexsavastru8125

9 ай бұрын

Does it suck?

@MOSMASTERING

9 ай бұрын

Sounds awful! 😂 I have a 5950x, 32GB, 2TBNvme and it handles everything ! Weirdly, whole projects are absolutely fine. But I'm a mastering engineer and I use some seriously high end plugins with oversampling 16x switched on all of them and I can max out the CPU with 8 plugins on one track. Some plugins in high end mode can completely eat all your CPU headroom.. I usually switch to eco until it's time to export.

@timbeneton8068

9 ай бұрын

How is it going with your CPU?

@austinsmith2536

8 ай бұрын

How's it going?

@DJSoulbrother

6 ай бұрын

@@MOSMASTERING It comes down to speed, the newer 7000 have higher clocks, end of the day most daws still only use one core per track so higher the core clock better they do. 5950x is a 3.4 core, 7950x is a 4.5 one, that is quite a huge difference.

It could as well be the software you are using. You mentioned Cubase, I know FL Studio has multi core integration and has ZERO Problem running my custom 24 core Intel Xeon Server convert to Desktop CPU at all. This with 20 instances of Omnisphere going and it barely hits 15% CPU in the DAW. Then again FL Studio does an update, which seems like every 2 weeks to a month.

7800X3D or the new i5 14600k? The benchmarks i can currently find show the 7800X3D has better performance in Adobe lightroom, how well would that transfer over to a DAW?

@tylerwmbass

6 ай бұрын

The 3D v-Cache would benefit virtual instruments more, however the lower clock compared to the 7800X would hamper DSP performance.

I'd like to have a music and video / 3d rendering computer. This video was useful thank you. I'm still dwelling on what to get.

@user-bh9re5rr6t

9 ай бұрын

I'm thinking about building this one. But indeed its hard to choose. So we need to watch some more of these, i guess. First thought about getting a DDR-5 mainboard, but as far as i read the increase is not that great. So thats why i picked the 3600 DDR4 instead. First time choosing the parts myself, so trying to find out if i picked wisely. cpu-Processor Intel Core i9-14900K (6 GHz Turbo Boost) socket 1700 processor main board ASUS PRIME H770-PLUS D4 socket 1700 cpu fan Noctua NH-U12A chromax black ram Kingston FURY 64 GB DDR4-3600 Kit graphics card On cpu harddisk SAMSUNG 990 PRO, 2 TB SSD (Windows 10) Lexar NM790 4 TB SSD (Mac OSX & Soundbanks) Seagate Exos X20 20 TB SATA (Storing but still 7200, So may run preset-sample) pc case be quiet! PURE Base 500 FX midi tower Case-fan be quiet! Light Wings PWM 140 mm high-speed case fan [Top of case] power supply be quiet! Straight Power 11 750W 2.007,58 Parts only YOU would need a graphics card as you want to do video as well. I will only use it for music production and daily tasks, not a gamer either. Just hope it be able to run the Virus Emulator VSTi on 10 or so trax, else Viper will have to do. That emulates Virus as well and can now load presets as well, and less cpu eating. Viper i can run but not many instances, DSP56300 Emulator only crackles, so is too cpu intensive for my old laptop i5-2520M CPU 2.50GHz. So time to get a new one! My system is i figure 2nd generation, so i expect a huge boost in power to be able to run 20 VSTi. Can do about 3-4 nexus, 1 Viper, 10 Sampler trax, minimum VST use. Ones i do 4 automations then many times it crashes. ALSO still working on logic PC am an oldy lol. But will test Cubase, last used it on ATARI, and Ableton. May finally try to switch and will look into using a slave computer in sync ! Then i just run old logic trax on an old computer, and run the heavy sequences on the new system and the weak ones and the midi on the old system. Make the new one a slave to bounce tracks over. If i export the midi then Fruity which i tried did not read the automation. By midi it may pick it up, else i need to bounce to audio which i rarely do really. Good luck with your build, and if you have advise related to my build I be happy to get your input. Greets. PS Just hope i do not get that economy core problem as this cpu does have these slave cores. But the K version is advised everywhere for music production, and has the highest single core power. I work with logic pc and that only knows 1 core to work with. So picked this one as it has the best score, and i be using it the next 10 years, so best buy the best available, in my case.

@Metalpazallteway

9 ай бұрын

@@user-bh9re5rr6t from what I understand you need the best Single core or amount of single and performance cores CPU for best performance, not necessarily multi cores. But in my case I want a video and at the same time a music production computer build in the 2-4k range. So ultimately I know that I will need a 4090 GPU and at minimum an I-9 of some sort. But I'm not sure what is the best motherboard for them, or if maybe the threadripper pro can handle music production to it's best potential better than the other cpus. As far I know, it handles Davinci well but I want something for Houdini, Unreal Engine, Blender, Z brush, and for my daw Studio One Pro 6.

@Metalpazallteway

9 ай бұрын

@@user-bh9re5rr6t I did hear one must use alot of ram for Kontakt VSTs that I use for example. I'm working off of an i7 on a 1000gig SSD laptop. I know I have issues of some sort but I do feel the computer can handle over clocking to some degree so the daw isn't too overworked sometimes. But I can see if I overload 10gigs my Daw starts to cpu Crackle and I tried messing with the settings to accommodate but compensation leads to terrible workflow and I'm not a fan of time wasting. So yes I'm thinking 128 gig of ram power is definitely a go for me. I do hear the cpu 3900k or even the 3900 KS for video is great as well not sure which one to get since 4900 doesn't do much and the fact it only gives a 10% boost from tbe previous version isn't worth it. Thank you by the way

@Metalpazallteway

9 ай бұрын

@@user-bh9re5rr6t October is usually the best month November they shoot up again. Not sure if I'll wait that long tbh. All I know it's either intel or threadripper for sure because of the core counts for video and 3d editing. So I need something great not good for one use like music. I want both uses. It's still a hot search tonight.

Interesting. I didn't know about the issues regarding the hybrid architecture of Intel CPUs, when it comes to music production.

@saricubra2867

2 ай бұрын

It depends on the DAW, Fl studio 20 and Ableton live scale perfectly with both P-cores and E-cores on my i7. Pro Tools runs poorly and was fixed recently for Apple Sillicon.

@Crossfire2003

2 ай бұрын

@@saricubra2867 OK. I am using FL Studio.

But isn't the I5 12400F Hybrid Architecture (code name Alder Lake)?

@music.quiros

9 ай бұрын

Although they have Alder Lake architecture, it is not hybrid. They have 6 P-cores and in fact they work quite well. The one that does have a hybrid architecture with P and E Cores are the 12600k and above, anf the same with the 13th generation with the 13400f and above.

@janneckchristiansen2778

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for clarifying. I'm currently scratching my head about what's causing me pops and clicks in my DAW. (Cubase 12). I have a Core i5 12400f my self, so I was worried... @@music.quiros

Is ryzen 9 5900x good for music production?

@iggswanna1248

23 күн бұрын

im looking to buy exactly that one too. have you gotten it already?

I ordered a 12600k today. I am not knowledgeable on computers at all. I did a bit of research and found the primary 6 cores are at 3700 ghz the second ones 4 cores are 2800 ghz. The base frequency of the 12400 is 2.5 khz, with 6 cores which was the other option I considered. Hypothetically even if tasks switch from the first to the secondary ones, they are still quicker and the cpus are not much different in prices as of today. The cost of a seperate cooler is 50 cad$, they are supposedly better than those incorporated with the included 12400 or 12500, 12600. The 12600 is at 2400 ghz, the k model without a fan but including integrated graphics is 3.7, with 4 more cores, the extra ones are quicker too, so the extra cooling fan you get with the 1600 is not worth . From what I read, the ones included with the Intel chips, don't cool well. That is why I opted for the 12600k I will keep you posted to let you know if there were issues after it is build. I used the pc builder to check the compatibility of the parts. I am crossing my fingers and hoping it pans out Will be my first build. The price difference

@kgaugelophago2342

8 күн бұрын

Hi, i’m thinking of getting the same cpu. Does it perform well and how was your experience?

i9 11900k is the way to go

If I held on to my CPU issues of the past I never would have bought a computer again. My Pentium 4 D was garbage.

Hello sir! A few months ago, I started producing music again after a 10-year break, and I've run into issues like sound clipping while recording guitars with a few plugins. Yes, I know about sample rates, etc. I've tried everything, lowering to 44,000 and increasing the sample rate. Currently running Ableton, after watching your video, realizing I have the same processor, a 4th-gen i7 4770, I believed you when you stated any processor will do the job because you have all that expensive gear behind you. So, I upgraded my sound card, did more and more research, even changed DAW to Reaper, and that helped a bit, but still crackling after adding a few plugins into a single track. When I master, I can feel how my PC struggles with handling all of the tracks and plugins. And you know what helped me? Getting a new processor!!! I now have an R5 7500F, and I don't run into any issues anymore. I can run over 10 plugins on a single track with a low sample rate and high frequency rate. So to all of you guys, if you blame the CPU, change the CPU! I wish I didn't watch your video and bought a new PC a few months ago. A faster CPU makes a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of difference. Thanks for the info about E-cores, but since you misled people about "any CPU will do," I don't quite believe you now. Don't get me wrong; it's just weird how you changed to a newer CPU and didn't even notice a difference, only complaining about 1 minute still being 1 minute. Maybe you are just doing simple music, with few tracks and you don’t do any live recordings. In that case any processor will do.

Abelton now recommends AMD processors.

@pivertgalant5221

5 ай бұрын

Source please 🙏

@eyebrowman5142

4 ай бұрын

@@pivertgalant5221 Puget Systems recommends the Threadripper 7970X for Ableton. Ableton hasnt said anything about the topic

It seems, You dont know what youre talking about