My brother in Christ Herc is at minimum A tier. The argument that he needs his bond ce for him to be good is imo dumb. His bond ce yes improves his solos and overall survivability I get that but without his bond ce he is arguably one of the best if not the best anchor in the game. His face card damage is pretty and doesn't really need to rely on his np for damage(granted his np1 damage is really low) plus I feel like Herc has better survivability than Cu alter. And if u need a substitute for his bond ce you can just use any other guts ce or any defensive ce like the invul or evasion ces. In conclusion Herc is great and deserves to be A tier or higher. Thank you for your time.

before you read this comment know that i grailed frankenstein to 100 and she is my favorite berserker. she is not better than lancelot or tamamo cat and definately not better than sparticus. also bunyan is a very nice e-sports support do to her team wide buffs and low health you put outrage on her and she'll do work. overall another zt-l take.

Summer Ibuki will be released this summer and from what I've read around... his NP1 is equivalent to having an NP2 of an AOE 5*SSR berserker, while his NP2 is compared to having an NP5 of an 5* SSR berserker, in addition to having the highest attack of all 5*SSR berserkers...

For a long time, Kiyohime was my anchor (when I was purely f2p). Many times, she'd come in and clean up for my otherwise wiped teams - usually with a bunch of buster cards. Sure, I could have fielded someone like Cu lancer instead - but waifu! She was my first unit to bond level 10, and I've grailed her to level 90. I regret nothing.

I like how ZTLs tier lists aren't based on Farming, CQs/Bosses or a mix of both.

Wtf 😳. Why Herc so low? You gotta assume the Bond CE when u rank him. At which point he’s EX. Simply the best anchor mate. And that’s counting Taira w her bond CE.

Miyamoto, Morgan and Arjuna Alter are my favorites ❤.

I have a genius with such an Hijikata in my friends list. It has not work once on my end, yet, but I keep trying it now and then 'cause the idea 🤣 love it !

We already got all the buff vlad has

Man starts with Herc in B tier… oh boy this is already wack.

I stopped using CS since I aways use Morgan+Merlin+Casteria on all CQs 😂

As a more casual player, I'm so glad that Summer Nobu is at B, she is my only 10 bonds, and is the only constant on my teams. I know she can't be an A not only cause of that learning about her buster card, but since she is also a bit of a glass cannon in some situations.

I know Musashi is good game play wise, but fc her, she is the worst character, chashgrab fake boob in all of fate.

After reading the comments, maybe I should try grinding for Herc bond ce...🤔 feels like I'm missing out

I don't get why you wouldn't take Herc's bond CE into account when ranking him. Yes, he's mid without it, but if you have him, I don't see why you wouldn't just keep him in the team backline until you have it or take a friend support Herc who does have it. I can see arguments for him to not be EX at NP1 because of damage, but he's definitely not B. I say this not even as a huge Herc fan, since I understand most of the playerbase glazes him to no end, but I just don't really get the logic here.

They power creep bosses too hard for Asterios to keep up 😢he needs longer lasting buffs and maybe a battery so he can NP faster

Frankenstein. In the same tier. As Herc.

Nice job on the tier list, @ZTL. Thanks. Based on who I borrow most often, it is Cu Alter, Summer Jalter, and Summer Nobu so rating them highly makes sense to me. Maybe in rare cases I'll borrow Morgan, but I already have my own Morgan. Plus, I've got Summer Musashi at NP4 so she's got my AOE Berserker role well covered. As far as other 5*'s that I have, I have Xiang Yu and Vlad, but I rarely use them.

Here's my list. I won't explain everything ( since that would be a LONG ass comment ), but I'll say a few things.

Herc at B tier?