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ZTL; "I don't want it to be a 40 minute video" Releases a 42 minute video.

"I don't want it to be 40 minutes. I want it to be about 25 minutes ." Looks at the video length. Well that didn't work out.

Crazy how berserker Musashi is not on the list lmao

@TeamWhatvr

6 ай бұрын

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Without his most recent JP buff, Gilgamesh and Ishtar should be same tier. Gils dmg mod only works on servants, making him surprisingly weaker than her against regular boss enemies for the 2nd and third waves. And it's better to have 80% chance of invul, rather than 0 invul skill like Gil. She also crits harder than Gil, I'd say she's better for CQ. But none of this matters...because Tesla is still EX, lol.

Honestly, I don't understand why Lasengle loves Tesla so much. Even before his most current buff, he was already EX tier and then they decided that wasn't enough lmao.

@thechocotaku4813

6 ай бұрын

Pioneer of the Stars Privilege I guess.

@sohantula2154

6 ай бұрын

I mean he changed the course of humanity and became a turning point in human history, he deserves it at this point. And I am big fan of Tesla irl, so it's great to see him become this good.

@sibsart2039

6 ай бұрын

Gil is EX and they give him another buff. What gets me is “why Tesla”? Because he isn’t nearly as popular.

@guayasplm4496

6 ай бұрын

I mean… Is fuckin Tesla, he should be super OP considering that everyone knows about him and he changed the history of the humanity. Then you have japanese folclore dudes being OP when just japanese people even know their existence so… I value that Tesla is at least better than most servants sksksks

@sohantula2154

6 ай бұрын

@@guayasplm4496 Exactly. At least someone gets it.

Ishtar got robbed fr

Oda Nobukatsu is not a Servant Unit- he is an extra set of Skills for Nobunaga Units to make them more functional in the areas they lack otherwise.

I suggest making tier list in form of A-B-C-D-E, no plus nor minus. EX rank is reserved to the broken servants only (in this list only for Arash and Super Orion). Here it is: A is for ace servants, either for farming or QC. Something SQ worth for. B is for solid servants, either farming or QC. No certain weakness, but is not as worth burning SQ as A tier. C is for servants who will be good as B or A at certain niche, but becomes like D tier if not. D is for good-enough to use before gaining A or B tier servants. E is for servants that should not be used, unless on events concerning them.

ZTL yesterday: “We can’t have two buster AOEs in EX only one can be the best” ZTL today: “So here me out, Arash doesn’t count” Nah you did my girl Ibuki filthy 😭

@yellowradio5276

6 ай бұрын

Ibuki is way better than Artoria. At least the same tier.

@jolunrohthocoudis526

6 ай бұрын

I’m still mad about how dirty he did Ibuki. She absolutely is fantastic at every aspect of this game (CQ, farming, questing, single target, multi) and yet he thinks a single note Altoria who just bust her load on np and offers no function to CQ and for single target really is better? Crazy

Chloe over Squirtoria??? My guy, even if Chloe does more damage because MP5. Can she Np next turn? And the turn after? And keep doing it? SPAMMING NPS ISNT ‘death by a thousand cuts’ literally by turn 2 Squirtoria is doing more damage. On top of Squirtoria can buff the party’s Defense and attack, on top of her heal makes her very bulky (doubly especially if you have np2, but let’s assume np1 here) On top of that her ability to shed boss NP charges is ridiculous. You would only take either of these to a single target boss. Single target bosses / challenge quests tend to have very punishing NP. Ergo the archer that can completely negate a bosses NP would be the strongest candidate no? Even though a he’s also does more damage over all. Even though she also does more buffing over all. My guy I swear I love your fgo but these takes. It’s like you fix on one aspect and of a servant and don’t look at the whole picture ‘oh Chloe has np5 arts that hits harder then np1 Squirtoria, EX tier’ B R U H

Oh my god...Fujino, Zenobia, Anastasia and Tristan in the same tier as fucking Orion and Atalante is troll level. That alone invalidates the list. Kuro in EX is way overrated, her "mana burst" lasts 1T and gives 35%, I don't care about free NP5, it's not enough to balance what is now a below average kit. She's living off of reputation at this point. Artoria (Archer) is arguably EX David is too low. Wth is Jeanne doing in B+ when she's better than every single servant in there and better than A+ rank EMIYA (who shouldn't be THAT high in the first place btw). And while we're on the subject, Sith is not worse than EMIYA Alter in any conceivable way.

@generalkenobi1972

5 ай бұрын

I know man, he's entertaining as fuck but god damn does he have some L opinions 😂 Tristan below A is stupid

As an avid Billy fan and proud owner of a completely maxed out copy of him (max grail, append, command cards, fous, etc) it hurts to see how close his kit is always teetering on the edge of being amazing but then he never gets any sort of buff to actually get to that next level. When the stars align and he can get a full chain of crits he hits like a truck but with him only having crit steroids paired with the fact they only last one turn and the fact he can hardly gen any crit stars himself he ends up very reliant on supports for consistency. If they could just give him some variety with his buff types, make them last longer, or hell even just give him a star bomb on his marksmanship so when you pop it you don't have to worry about already having stars when his cards show up then he'd be a stupidly good st boss slayer instead of just being a decent one. Of course, that'd require them to remember low rarity year one servants exist and that's probably never going to happen lol Billy will get his buff the same time Geronimo and Shakespeare do.

I don't even have to see the video to know it's Altera Archer. The strongest, cutest, floofiest and best smelling servant in the whole game 👍

@nelisezpasce

6 ай бұрын

What's your opinion on Euryale?

@EeveeEsp

6 ай бұрын

@@nelisezpasce Very cute, very useful, pleasant smeel. 9/10 Would grail.

Good calls, for the most part, this go round 👍🏻 looking forward to Lancer ✌🏻

I was searching through your channel and I didnt find (maybe I just didnt see it) a support servants tier list. I think your opinion is pretty reliable and I would like to improve my jalter performance so I was searching for some buster supports, honestly Ive been playing for almost a year by now but I feel like I still dont know much about the game haha, anyways I just find your opinion really good and I would like to see some recommendations of support servants in general (what I mean is about the rarity of servants it can be of any rarity but I would also like to see about other type of cards too)

"he's just a strange guy, but if you look past him being a little bit of a weirdo" LMFAOOOO thank u for that

I might bump Atalante down because at NP1 she might not do enough damage to loop. I have had issues with the other 4* quick units who I have at NP1 and their looping and have read that the 4* quick loopers need NP3+ to loop effectively.

Best archer is clearly Berserker Musashi.

massively underplaying that helena and osakabehime can be used as wave one clear and support/buffing, really putting the l in ztl lately

I've been thinking about these lists and i think it would be valuable to rate the 4 stars at NP2. Because if you assume that someone might be able to get a 5 star, there's a good chance that you'll get the 4 star on that banner a few times just as a side effect.

Emiya plus a Castoria, your own or a support, is a two wave clear maestro who can and will ensure success for anyone. He's an easy A+ considering the CE and support synergy he's got going, it makes him an incredibly useful servant.

Just np5 Eresh I wish plushie understood that everyone has preferences for “who is the best servant” like you man 🙌

Best archer class in fgo is Chen Gong, change my mind.

@cameraredeye3115

6 ай бұрын

Isn't he a Caster though?

@KaomiyaGSR

6 ай бұрын

@@cameraredeye3115 he is archer in disguise.

Browsing at the rankings, I'd say Gilgamesh and Ishtar really should be on the same tier, I'd bump up Nightingale at least a rank for bringing something really rare and really useful to the table, and I'm not sure I'd keep Chloe at EX - really not a fan of a single turn steroid that's also her only damage amp in this day and age. Also, David in C? Seriously? I'd also probably raise Tomoe and Fujino, though I will confess some bias here (on the other hand, Fujino was stupidly good in the recent raids)

honestly, go longer for 1 hour

arjuna I feel is C+ tier because his buster np at least means he is using koyanskaya and I feel he is one buff away from being good literally all they have to do is buff his mana burst. my suggestion for skill 1 buster buff and np buff 3 turns reduce enemy rebuff resist by 50% and 30% battery boom

Here's my list. I won't give my reasoning for everything ( since that would be a LONG ass comment ), but I'll say a few things. 1. There's quite a few Servants that I have little to no experience using, so for them I just looked at their kits and factored in general stuff I've heard about them. 2. *SIGH* Since I know I'm gonna catch flak for this, I'll just get it over with now. I think Arash ( and Chen Gong ) are pretty overrated. I've tried farming neutral nodes with them, and was very unimpressed. Most of their damage comes from their Overcharge effect, and without that their damage is mediocore. 3. The further to the left they are, the higher they are in the Tier, for example Billy is better than Paris. 4. If anybody has any questions about my placements ( that don't include Arash! ), feel free to ( politely ) ask. EX: Super Orion, Kuro, Moriarty, Fujino. A+: Tesla, Gil, Emiya, Zenobia, Summer Artoria, Baobhan Sith. A: Napoleon, Ishtar, Summer Anastasia, Santa Nightingale, Chiron, Tristan, Summer Jeanne, Euryale, Santa Attila. B+: Summer Illya, Asvatthaman, Sei, William Tell. B: Jane, Emiya Alter, Tomoe, Billy, Paris, Nobukatsu. C+: David, Nobu, Robin. C: Atalanta, Arash. D+: Touta, Summer Helena, Summer Anne Bonny. D: Summer Osakabehime, Arjuna. E+: Artamis. E: none. Don't: Kid Gil.

@jonathankedley5046

6 ай бұрын

Arash's value comes from his sacrifice niche, and chengong's value comes from him sacrificing others, which make 1 party buffing him possible. No one values them for their stellar damage (while gong actually do some really good damage on a 3x3 turn node) but their rare and useful niche.

@bandoneple3217

6 ай бұрын

@@jonathankedley5046 True. That's why I put them in the C, C+ range. I was seriously considering putting Arash in like E, or D. But I ended up putting them higher cause I reconized that their death based mechanics have some situational value, especially for newer/underdeveloped accounts. I might move Arash up a bit once we start getting 90++ content since I've heard he can be pretty good in that, but for the current state of the game on NA, I stand by that they're pretty mid.

Emiya or Summer Jeanne which is better at NP 2 as I have both of them?

@GS_CCC

6 ай бұрын

Summer jeanne by a large margin, can't even compare.

Fujino in B is nasty work

Is Ishtar worth summoning for? I have 4 star Emiya and Altria and some other 4 stars I haven’t messed with

@kuzunohaxiv7912

6 ай бұрын

You got Koyan of light?

@itsfrenchieee28

6 ай бұрын

@@kuzunohaxiv7912 yea

@jonathankedley5046

6 ай бұрын

I think emiya is better than ishtar, just focus on grailing him to 90/100 and max out his skill level

something about Aśvatthāman is that, in raids, he's really strong, koyan's battery powers him up too due to it reducing hp

Asagami, David and Robin hood deserved to be higher, they were always great shots

do not sleep on usakabahimes critical buster hits after her NP, she demolishes people with her sniper rifle (and that's before koyan even touches her) treat her NP like ishtars third skill. it is a little RNG but when she clutches it, it's strong af

how in the hell did you rate emiya above summer jeanne and emiya alter above sith. also, chloe isn't that strong, her looping ability sucks without RNG, she is at best relative to summer artoria

Oh a tier list video why not a ce tier list video at the end

Ishtar's 3rd skill is (Unstackable). Got to the wiki and you will see. She can not stack that attack buff, which means she only has it for wave 2 and 3 at best with no stacks.

25:55 don’t you dare put Lancer Raikou in C tier. She preforms great as a 4 star buster crit unit, and can even be a support with a debuff cleanse option.

Don't make the videos shorter, it's better if you actually have a little bit of time to talk about every servant

It's funny that DATA LOST berserker would definitely be EX archer If there was a trait against enemy sabers instead of saber servants

No hate but those are some questionable takes. Jarcher is basically aoe squitoria how is she B+ with Sei. I'm not gonna try to argue against your Ishtar ranking cuz I know you got a Gil bias but they should be in the same tier. You did Atalante dirty too. She is one of the best quick loopers even in jp and does her job reliable in every saber lvl 90 3/3/3 quest. Not everything is 90+++. Generally people tend to forget that just cuz arts farming is better it doesn't mean quick farming is bad. Sry for the rant, and great video. Can't wait for the other classes.

@ethanluke5130

6 ай бұрын

I kind of agree with his Atalanta take. If Skadi wasn't a thing her value plummets so hard

@ahoyforsenchou7288

6 ай бұрын

I mean, i t's a ZTL tier list lol Don't take it too seriously. Or seriously at all.

I was hoping more to Zenobia, I have her at NP5 and double Castoria, doesn’t hit as hard

And the Gil stan reappears! lol

You can’t stack Ishtars 3rd skill actually 😢

35:29 What is Super Orion gonna do!?!

@Picmanreborn

5 ай бұрын

💀💀💀💀💀

This is Tomoe Gozen slander. 10k atk at 80. 12k at 100. 3k max hp heal (with double merlin at level 80 an 1k fou she can have 20k hp) increase star gen and absorb on an archer. give her honey lake for burn memes. anti berserker append and crit down on her np. she just doesnt die :)

Bro why you rating David so low, you forget what he can do? He is a semi-support with potential good damage. Team heal and a team wide evade as a 3 star is clutch

@cameraredeye3115

6 ай бұрын

He's good for early game, but later on you'll find most Saber bosses can OTK weaker Servants like him from full health. Especially Ibuki-Douji who not only is a mandatory storyline boss in Heian-kyo but has an NP that ignores any defensive buff that isn't Anti-Purge. Surtr Fenrir is another problem for David given the 3-turn unremovable Buff Block that he hits your party with during the Grand Battle, in addition to powerful AOE attacks that inflict Burn. You'll most likely be using Euryale for Surtr Fenrir and Robin Hood for Ibuki-Douji anyway, if you do bring a 3-star Archer. Oh, and did I mention Munenori in Shimosa straight-up strips all your buffs with every regular attack? You aren't winning THAT fight with David, either. I brought both Euryale AND Robin Hood to that fight on one of my accounts & it was still a very difficult battle. If anything, David being C-tier is justified.

@sibsart2039

6 ай бұрын

@@cameraredeye3115 Just because David can’t help you I. Some of the hardest content in the game doesn’t mean he’s C tier. She still preforms well in most cases.

@cameraredeye3115

6 ай бұрын

​@@sibsart2039First off, David is a dude. Second, many boss enemies beyond Camelot aren't "difficult" and yet they have buffs that no-sell party wide Evades like what David provides, in addition to hitting like trucks. Third, you won't need David for anything beyond early game anyway, since you're either 3-turn farming or burning down bosses so fast that Evade is practically useless to you. Not to mention that as you play through the game, chances are you'll eventually gain access to better and stronger Servants anyway. So why settle for using David when you have better options?

@sibsart2039

6 ай бұрын

@@cameraredeye3115 I don’t like to think that adding more broken units to a game devalues another unit. And by “difficult” I just mean any general boss fight or high hp enemies in the story where you may wanna bring a single target unit. Plus he’s a lower star unit and I prefer him over some 4 star archers in some cases.

@uteriel282

6 ай бұрын

@@sibsart2039 his damage is too low since there arent many bosses with giant trait. his evade is mostly useless since a lot of bosses have invul pierce or buff removal. literaly any 4* archer outclasses him in terms of damage and usability. theres no reason to use david after clearing solomon unless you want to intentionally nerf yourself.

Arjuna is only good for CQ because of his Debuff immune

screw 40 minutes go for the hour mark

The bad thing about Super Orion is that when you take him with supports he doesn't get triple buster cards, and it's needed to do buster chain to achieve the big critic damage.

@bruhgherstein9829

6 ай бұрын

L Skill Issue.

@JoxBarter

6 ай бұрын

@@bruhgherstein9829 what does it mean?

@sibsart2039

6 ай бұрын

Use BB or Artoria Ruler

@cameraredeye3115

6 ай бұрын

You only need 1-2 crits to blast through most Saber boss HP bars anyway. A single Buster crit can go for 500k plus easily, especially if you bring Buster support like Light Koyan.

@sibsart2039

6 ай бұрын

@@cameraredeye3115 personally, I like bring a single Merlin to support him. That way he can regularly get his cards on the field, and be able to get extra help.

If Gilgamesh had Tesla skills he would be even more OP

Mfw i sold tesla a year ago: fuck...

Yeah, naw.

Isthar under Gil is a trash opinion

@Talyrion

6 ай бұрын

"this video was made by Enkidu"

@Yarzu555

6 ай бұрын

Justice for Ishtar!

@yellowradio5276

6 ай бұрын

@@Talyrion LMAO XD

@Lilwo0olf_69

6 ай бұрын

Saw it coming a mile away from a guy that Bias Gil over Ishtar

@cameraredeye3115

6 ай бұрын

Nope, it's pure fact. Babylonia proves as much.

Spittin straight Trash brother 🗣🗣

shown the useless goddess her place like a chad. Indeed no universe or context exists in which Gilgamesh isn't superior to Ishtar ( )-/

@skycladobserver9246

6 ай бұрын

Oh so wrong

@cameraredeye3115

6 ай бұрын

​@@skycladobserver9246Oh so RIGHT. Did you not pay attention to Babylonia? That Singularity alone proves beyond all reasonable doubt that Gilgamesh is superior to Ishtar, no matter what class he takes.

@uselesshero.official

6 ай бұрын

​@@cameraredeye3115Nah Space Ishtar beats even mystic codes heroic spirit Gil in ccc verse.

@cameraredeye3115

6 ай бұрын

​@@uselesshero.officialApples to oranges, kid. You're talking about an overhyped, overpowered version of Ishtar from a joke universe against a Gilgamesh that's canon to CCC. Try again.

@uselesshero.official

6 ай бұрын

@@cameraredeye3115 lol in that context CCC Gilgamesh is the biggest joke... With so many op powers and features guy was still a fodder to Arcueid and Kiara and Amaterasu and Sefar.

Ishtar not EX tier, i drop a dislike

@cameraredeye3115

6 ай бұрын

If Gilgamesh isn't EX tier there's no way Ishtar deserves it. Putting her in A tier below Gilgamesh is absolutely the right choice.

@Gas420_

6 ай бұрын

@@cameraredeye3115if u rlly push it i could see them both in EX tier, Gil still over Ishtar tho ofc

@cameraredeye3115

6 ай бұрын

​@@Gas420_Nah, I wouldn't put either in EX tier. A to A+ is fine.

@Gas420_

6 ай бұрын

@@cameraredeye3115 ye I said if u rlly push it. And if they would be EX they’d be at the bottom

@ahoyforsenchou7288

6 ай бұрын

@@cameraredeye3115 We get it, you read Boys Love.